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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I don’t really understand all the hate for Cummings, I think he did what most parents would do in that situation to look after his child

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

So you think no other parents in Britain stayed isolated at home to care for their child despite being ill ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So you think no other parents in Britain stayed isolated at home to care for their child despite being ill ? "

Yes they will have stayed isolated but with both parents incapacitated and no other childcare options surely it makes sense that he would travel somewhere within which he and his family can be cared for during their isolation period. They weren’t in contact with anyone else and stayed in a separate property

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Why did he go back into work despite knowing that Boris and Hancock, who he had been working with closely, had both tested positive ? Why did he go back to work after spending time with his wife who was displaying symptoms. Why didn't he follow Government advice and immediately self isolate rather than go into work twice ?

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury


"So you think no other parents in Britain stayed isolated at home to care for their child despite being ill ?

Yes they will have stayed isolated but with both parents incapacitated and no other childcare options surely it makes sense that he would travel somewhere within which he and his family can be cared for during their isolation period. They weren’t in contact with anyone else and stayed in a separate property "

He didnt exactly look into any childcare options in Lobdon which he freely admitted to. Plus he helped write the legislation so he should of set an example. Also driving to that castle to "test his eyesight" is bullshit. He went for pleasure, and if his eyesight was in any doubt he should not of been behind the wheel of a car.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So you think no other parents in Britain stayed isolated at home to care for their child despite being ill ?

Yes they will have stayed isolated but with both parents incapacitated and no other childcare options surely it makes sense that he would travel somewhere within which he and his family can be cared for during their isolation period. They weren’t in contact with anyone else and stayed in a separate property "

And if every other parent in the country had done the same?

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"They weren’t in contact with anyone else "

So the wife and son weren't in contact with anyone in the ambulance or in the hospital ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An absolute lier of a man

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By *unboy007Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen


"So you think no other parents in Britain stayed isolated at home to care for their child despite being ill ?

Yes they will have stayed isolated but with both parents incapacitated and no other childcare options surely it makes sense that he would travel somewhere within which he and his family can be cared for during their isolation period. They weren’t in contact with anyone else and stayed in a separate property "

Then goes for a drive to check his eye sight out.

What would the consequences of a crash be.

Someone or multiple people killed, injured. No one in there right mind can call that responsible behaviour just like driving that distance.

Putting the NHS at risk if her crashed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don’t really understand all the hate for Cummings, I think he did what most parents would do in that situation to look after his child "

He left London, with all the resources available to him there (all the resources of the government ffs he is wealthy and connected with family local) and his wife already ill (which itself was against instructions) to travel to the other end of the country to impose/rely upon teenaged nieces for support and childcare (IF it became necessary).

It makes no sense.

And the rest of the tale is pure hooey.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I admit the drive to barnard castle was a mistake and he shouldn’t have done that.

However I disagree with the comments against him travelling up to look after his family, I myself had no other option but to travel up from London to Yorkshire as I had no one in London to look after me if I fell ill therefore imagine what that must be like for a full family?

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

He and his wife both have relatives in London.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I admit the drive to barnard castle was a mistake and he shouldn’t have done that.

However I disagree with the comments against him travelling up to look after his family, I myself had no other option but to travel up from London to Yorkshire as I had no one in London to look after me if I fell ill therefore imagine what that must be like for a full family?"

Difference being that he had more London-based options than you could shake a stick at. But didn't consider them.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"I myself had no other option but to travel up from London to Yorkshire as I had no one in London to look after me if I fell ill"

So you are using Cummings despicable behaviour as an excuse for your own illegal actions ?

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

What you have to remember is while thick people think Boris is what a clever person is really like, Cummings actually is what many very clever people is like, sociopathic, above the law, good story tellers

He can make up whatever stories he wants and get away with it. This is man who tells Pretti to bully all the civil servants he dislikes so that they leave and boss Boris around. He trained in Russia he knows how to get results

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"So you think no other parents in Britain stayed isolated at home to care for their child despite being ill ?

Yes they will have stayed isolated but with both parents incapacitated and no other childcare options surely it makes sense that he would travel somewhere within which he and his family can be cared for during their isolation period. They weren’t in contact with anyone else and stayed in a separate property "

They weren't both incapacitated at the same time, granted his excuse was that they might be but thousands of families have, are and will be in the same position and managed perfectly well by following the advice to stay home..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Not at all, my actions were not illegal and I consulted with medical professionals before I moved, I’m in the at risk category therefor unable to leave my home, once my housemates had left I was unable to leave for food and provisions therefore travelled to my parents home so they will be able to look after me, this was legal as per the guidance set out from the medical professional I consulted with prior to the trip. Please don’t go throwing accusations out without a having sufficient knowledge.

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By *dam1971Man
over a year ago

Bedford

The first rule is to stay home. Every other decision comes after that, so thought almost the entire country.

I get the fact that he didn’t have alternative childcare close by, neither do millions of others. However let’s not forget he’s an incredibly rich and powerful person, he could have arranged alternative childcare somehow. If there was no alternative (and he’s one of the most influential people in the country, remember) he could have got his niece to come down to London

First rule was to stay home, he ignored that. Twisting the rules about his child being vulnerable is bollocks - that’s for people who are in danger of their life. Most 4 year olds would be perfectly fine for a day or two at home with an open cereal packet and the Netflix password.

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By *awk90Man
over a year ago

Amsterdam

He's been a massive c-word, a lying hound, and ruined what little trust the country may have had in this government

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By *abrina59TV/TS
over a year ago

moved to cuckold land

If someone of his standing can't arrange childcare then wha6 chance do the rest of society

We were told that healthcare capabilities were based on censuses of peoples primary residencies & that people going to isolate in 2nd homes should not do so (whether this was best option for them or not) as the local NHS could not cope with additional people.

He helped Boris make this rule/guide whatever they wish call it € therefore he should have stood by that just like HE was asking every other normal person to do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The toad is full of contempt for the rest of us and thinks we are stupid idiots to be manipulated as he chooses.

Despicable man and a sign of bad judgement that Boris has him where he is !!

Enough said

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

And she can drive too. So why they needed to take a drive to a castle on her birthday and sit by the river to 'test' his eyes I'll never know.

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By *abrina59TV/TS
over a year ago

moved to cuckold land

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

One thing though about arranging childcare is that London is a very populated city and even he doesn’t have two properties he can isolate in, where he traveled to made sure that his family could look after his child whilst he and his wife isolated in a separate property away from them, granted due to the sons illness this wasn’t required but surely that aspect makes sense

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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I would not have done that. I feel he put his child at risk doing what he did. He should have stayed home and got tested and wait for the results. If he then needed childcare he has connections or his family could have collected the child if necessary. I would not flee my home to take a virus from a hotspot to Durham - where they then went on to use the NHS putting others at risk.

As he is so important to the government I am quite sure that their door would have been open to support him.

They put that poor boy in a metal box with the two of them ill for hours. Then driving to test your sight with a 4 year old in the car? That’s the safeguarding issue of this story.

Anyone would believes him needs their bumps feeling. Seriously, it’s like watching a child fib

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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And whilst I’m on my soapbox ... he definitely absolutely did break the rules he helped to create. Shame on them for disregarding the sacrifices that others have made and continue to make.

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By *ust fun9TV/TS
over a year ago

Swansea

Approx 40 per cent of population haven't adhered fully to the rules. Let's sack half the country.

Respect for those who have isolated completely and kept the 2m rule.

Trouble is people just won't be happy unless someone is sacked from whatever party is in power.

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By *vgloryholebs16TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol.


"I admit the drive to barnard castle was a mistake and he shouldn’t have done that.

However I disagree with the comments against him travelling up to look after his family, I myself had no other option but to travel up from London to Yorkshire as I had no one in London to look after me if I fell ill therefore imagine what that must be like for a full family?"
So why do you think he kept it all hush hush, even his wife, who did an article in the Spectator, never mentioned the fact they had been in Durham..Listen to his explanation of telling BJ where he had gone and why.

A bunch of liars and cheats accountable to no-one..Politicians are the lowest of the lowest..

You felt his explanation was credible??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't like him and I wish he would resign or be sacked. However in my opinion the worst thing to come out of this whole mess has how the Media have concentrated on it when there have been so many more significant Covid issues to report.

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By *dam1971Man
over a year ago

Bedford


"One thing though about arranging childcare is that London is a very populated city and even he doesn’t have two properties he can isolate in, where he traveled to made sure that his family could look after his child whilst he and his wife isolated in a separate property away from them, granted due to the sons illness this wasn’t required but surely that aspect makes sense"

Come again?

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"Approx 40 per cent of population haven't adhered fully to the rules. Let's sack half the country.

Respect for those who have isolated completely and kept the 2m rule.

Trouble is people just won't be happy unless someone is sacked from whatever party is in power.

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But 40% of the country aren’t making the rules and in positions of responsibility. This isn’t political it’s a moral issue.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth


"So you think no other parents in Britain stayed isolated at home to care for their child despite being ill ?

Yes they will have stayed isolated but with both parents incapacitated and no other childcare options surely it makes sense that he would travel somewhere within which he and his family can be cared for during their isolation period. They weren’t in contact with anyone else and stayed in a separate property "

It is reported that he has a sister and niece who live just a few streets away in London. If this is the case and he needed someone to help look after his child then he had no need to drive 260miles to his parents!

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"One thing though about arranging childcare is that London is a very populated city and even he doesn’t have two properties he can isolate in, where he traveled to made sure that his family could look after his child whilst he and his wife isolated in a separate property away from them, granted due to the sons illness this wasn’t required but surely that aspect makes sense"

I can appreciate how difficult it must be having family around the corner and No. 10 to appeal to. He is their senior advisor. If he wanted help he could get it but bear in mind he wasn’t ill at that point and he never had to let anyone care for his child because they were able to do it so why did he need to travel? Just in case apparently. Not even an emergency situation but a ‘just in case’ one.

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By *oirinMarkusCouple
over a year ago

West Midlands and West London


"The first rule is to stay home. Every other decision comes after that, so thought almost the entire country.

I get the fact that he didn’t have alternative childcare close by, neither do millions of others. However let’s not forget he’s an incredibly rich and powerful person, he could have arranged alternative childcare somehow. If there was no alternative (and he’s one of the most influential people in the country, remember) he could have got his niece to come down to London

First rule was to stay home, he ignored that. Twisting the rules about his child being vulnerable is bollocks - that’s for people who are in danger of their life. Most 4 year olds would be perfectly fine for a day or two at home with an open cereal packet and the Netflix password."

Don't give kids the Netflix password. They don't need it. Once you've logged in on that device it won't log you out.

Giving them the password means they can turn off the child lock

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By *ust fun9TV/TS
over a year ago

Swansea


"Approx 40 per cent of population haven't adhered fully to the rules. Let's sack half the country.

Respect for those who have isolated completely and kept the 2m rule.

Trouble is people just won't be happy unless someone is sacked from whatever party is in power.

But 40% of the country aren’t making the rules and in positions of responsibility. This isn’t political it’s a moral issue. "

We all are not perfect. How do you know it's not politically driven too.

He got Brexit through. Just saying.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Final message on this: the fake news police have driven what he did way out of proportion. A man has done what’s best for his child and treated like a monster yet there is no mention regarding the paparazzi outside his home clearly not social distancing, the media want a scapegoat and hes the one they’ve fed it to the masses and left out to dry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would not have done that. I feel he put his child at risk doing what he did. He should have stayed home and got tested and wait for the results. If he then needed childcare he has connections or his family could have collected the child if necessary. I would not flee my home to take a virus from a hotspot to Durham - where they then went on to use the NHS putting others at risk.

As he is so important to the government I am quite sure that their door would have been open to support him.

They put that poor boy in a metal box with the two of them ill for hours. Then driving to test your sight with a 4 year old in the car? That’s the safeguarding issue of this story.

Anyone would believes him needs their bumps feeling. Seriously, it’s like watching a child fib "

Nicely put

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By *he Queen of TartsWoman
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over a year ago

My Own Little World


"So you think no other parents in Britain stayed isolated at home to care for their child despite being ill ?

Yes they will have stayed isolated but with both parents incapacitated and no other childcare options surely it makes sense that he would travel somewhere within which he and his family can be cared for during their isolation period. They weren’t in contact with anyone else and stayed in a separate property "

In his press conference yesterday he said he didn't try to find any childcare close to home/London.

It's the he drove 30 miles to test if his vision was good enough to drive his family safely home bit that I have the problem with. If you have to see if you are safe to drive with your loved ones in the car, you wouldn't have them in the car during the test and potentially put them in harms way.

But that's just me I guess.

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By *ust fun9TV/TS
over a year ago

Swansea

Just to finish for me. I do think he should have been reprimanded but not sacked.

Parts of the media have their own agenda..just remember this is selling their newspapers and feeding their thirst etc. They are loving you in a frenzy.

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By *dam1971Man
over a year ago

Bedford


"Final message on this: the fake news police have driven what he did way out of proportion. A man has done what’s best for his child and treated like a monster yet there is no mention regarding the paparazzi outside his home clearly not social distancing, the media want a scapegoat and hes the one they’ve fed it to the masses and left out to dry"

The “fake news police”? Surely the last ditch attempt at an indefensible position is to bad mouth the people who say it. How about the real journalists who broke the story? That’s pretty impressive, I think.

There was plenty of mention of the paparazzi outside his house, in fact he mentioned it many times in the press conference he gave. I agree, it’s shit but right now he’s rather made a rod for his own back, don’t you think?

“Left out to dry”? He’s had a chance to put his side of the story across by calling an international press conference in the back garden of 10 Downing Street. If you or I wanted to put our side of the story across we could do a slightly acidic rant on Twitter to 10 people.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"Just to finish for me. I do think he should have been reprimanded but not sacked.

Parts of the media have their own agenda..just remember this is selling their newspapers and feeding their thirst etc. They are loving you in a frenzy.

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My reason for him to be sacked is that he was a lead advisor and creator of the messages to keep us home and he hate little respect for them and wet on to disregard them. He undermines the whole message now.

He appears to be above the rules. That is why I feel he needs to be sacked.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"Final message on this: the fake news police have driven what he did way out of proportion. A man has done what’s best for his child and treated like a monster yet there is no mention regarding the paparazzi outside his home clearly not social distancing, the media want a scapegoat and hes the one they’ve fed it to the masses and left out to dry"

But media outside his house is a separate issue. That could be dealt with by police. It still doesn’t change what he did, no media harassment will change that.

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By *he Queen of TartsWoman
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over a year ago

My Own Little World


"Final message on this: the fake news police have driven what he did way out of proportion. A man has done what’s best for his child and treated like a monster yet there is no mention regarding the paparazzi outside his home clearly not social distancing, the media want a scapegoat and hes the one they’ve fed it to the masses and left out to dry"

I did find the pics taken of the outside of his house by a neighbour I think, show the blatant hypocrisy of the press. They are standing shoulder to shoulder in a scrum trying to get pics of the guy who allegedly broke lockdown, while breaking the social distancing rules themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If he had come clean as soon as the story broke and put his hands up and said sorry I broke the rules and apologise, he may have stood a chance with the general public.

But he is now digging a bigger hole for himself as everyday goes by. His story leaks like a sieve. He has to go the Labour MP's are not much better but they havent set the rules only broken them. He set them and broke them and now claiming about looking after his child.

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By *orkizCouple
over a year ago

Wakefield

The man's a worm

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"They weren’t in contact with anyone else and stayed in a separate property "

They were in contact with others - the emergency services and hospital staff.

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By *imon_hydeMan
over a year ago

Stockport

Fake news? No its actual news and it shows the contempt that the government holds the public in.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Everything you’ve said has been so insightful and really well thought out..

Not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am with you OP.. makes you wonder what they're deflecting from

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So you think no other parents in Britain stayed isolated at home to care for their child despite being ill ?

Yes they will have stayed isolated but with both parents incapacitated and no other childcare options surely it makes sense that he would travel somewhere within which he and his family can be cared for during their isolation period. They weren’t in contact with anyone else and stayed in a separate property

He didnt exactly look into any childcare options in Lobdon which he freely admitted to. Plus he helped write the legislation so he should of set an example. Also driving to that castle to "test his eyesight" is bullshit. He went for pleasure, and if his eyesight was in any doubt he should not of been behind the wheel of a car."

Exactly this!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He and his wife both have relatives in London. "

I have relatives near me, doesnt mean they would or could help me at any point....in fact I can go weeks, months, even years without seeing or speaking to relatives within walking distance. Not all relatives are nice or helpful!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don’t really understand all the hate for Cummings, I think he did what most parents would do in that situation to look after his child "

Agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gove, pritti, Cummings, are amonst the worst group of sniveling tories ive ever seen. And that takes some doing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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And if every other parent in the country had done the same? "

Well I wasn't in the same situation so there was no need for me to do the same, I imagine many people HAVE done the same already without a media shit storm...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They weren’t in contact with anyone else

So the wife and son weren't in contact with anyone in the ambulance or in the hospital ?"

They would have been in contact with ambulance & hospital staff had they stayed put in London... so your point is mute

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He broke the rules. Other officials who broke the rules had to resign, but not Dom, because he's special and rules are for the little people anyway.

Also Johnson without Cummings is just a monkey without an organ grinder.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"They weren’t in contact with anyone else

So the wife and son weren't in contact with anyone in the ambulance or in the hospital ?

They would have been in contact with ambulance & hospital staff had they stayed put in London... so your point is mute"

It isn’t though really. London was a virus hotspot with lots of resources but that wasn’t the case in Durham.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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And if every other parent in the country had done the same?

Well I wasn't in the same situation so there was no need for me to do the same, I imagine many people HAVE done the same already without a media shit storm..."

But they aren’t a government senior advisor putting the stay at home messages to the public. Besides, two wrongs don’t make a right as they say.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff


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And if every other parent in the country had done the same?

Well I wasn't in the same situation so there was no need for me to do the same, I imagine many people HAVE done the same already without a media shit storm..."

If you make the rules, then break the rules and double down by lying about it - you should resign when found out & if you don’t resign be sacked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think if we are all honest we would've done the same, what responsabl parent wouldn't?

Yes I know there are parents who didn't/dont have the option of a house on an isolated farm, I sympathise greatly 100% with anyone who is having it tough.

Is there a parent on here that wouldn't have done what he did?

The press have vilified him mostly down to BREXIT and as usual reported fake news because we still believe all we read in the papers.

I for one would do anything to keep my son safe and I can't believe anyone who would say different...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think if we are all honest we would've done the same, what responsabl parent wouldn't?

Yes I know there are parents who didn't/dont have the option of a house on an isolated farm, I sympathise greatly 100% with anyone who is having it tough.

Is there a parent on here that wouldn't have done what he did?

The press have vilified him mostly down to BREXIT and as usual reported fake news because we still believe all we read in the papers.

I for one would do anything to keep my son safe and I can't believe anyone who would say different... "

Agree

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"I think if we are all honest we would've done the same, what responsabl parent wouldn't?

Yes I know there are parents who didn't/dont have the option of a house on an isolated farm, I sympathise greatly 100% with anyone who is having it tough.

Is there a parent on here that wouldn't have done what he did?

The press have vilified him mostly down to BREXIT and as usual reported fake news because we still believe all we read in the papers.

I for one would do anything to keep my son safe and I can't believe anyone who would say different... "

Read my comment above. No I would not I think it was irresponsible.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff


"I think if we are all honest we would've done the same, what responsabl parent wouldn't?

Yes I know there are parents who didn't/dont have the option of a house on an isolated farm, I sympathise greatly 100% with anyone who is having it tough.

Is there a parent on here that wouldn't have done what he did?

The press have vilified him mostly down to BREXIT and as usual reported fake news because we still believe all we read in the papers.

I for one would do anything to keep my son safe and I can't believe anyone who would say different... "

No, it wasn’t an emergency. He could have stayed at home easily. It would have been quite feasible for No10 to have sent food round if they needed it. His defence is total bollox, real people have had to put up with real shit during Covid. He hasn’t...

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"I think if we are all honest we would've done the same, what responsabl parent wouldn't?

Yes I know there are parents who didn't/dont have the option of a house on an isolated farm, I sympathise greatly 100% with anyone who is having it tough.

Is there a parent on here that wouldn't have done what he did?

The press have vilified him mostly down to BREXIT and as usual reported fake news because we still believe all we read in the papers.

I for one would do anything to keep my son safe and I can't believe anyone who would say different...

No, it wasn’t an emergency. He could have stayed at home easily. It would have been quite feasible for No10 to have sent food round if they needed it. His defence is total bollox, real people have had to put up with real shit during Covid. He hasn’t..."

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think if we are all honest we would've done the same, what responsabl parent wouldn't?

Yes I know there are parents who didn't/dont have the option of a house on an isolated farm, I sympathise greatly 100% with anyone who is having it tough.

Is there a parent on here that wouldn't have done what he did?

The press have vilified him mostly down to BREXIT and as usual reported fake news because we still believe all we read in the papers.

I for one would do anything to keep my son safe and I can't believe anyone who would say different...

No, it wasn’t an emergency. He could have stayed at home easily. It would have been quite feasible for No10 to have sent food round if they needed it. His defence is total bollox, real people have had to put up with real shit during Covid. He hasn’t..."

No 10 is a lot of things but not a soup kitchen.

So if you were living far away from relatives and with a toddler suspecting you and your wife may have Covid wouldn't take advantage of a parents isolated farm?

You would say no to that plus the help from his nieces. Have you had family comedown with this?

If you have then you'll know all rational thinking goes out the window...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think if we are all honest we would've done the same, what responsabl parent wouldn't?

Yes I know there are parents who didn't/dont have the option of a house on an isolated farm, I sympathise greatly 100% with anyone who is having it tough.

Is there a parent on here that wouldn't have done what he did?

The press have vilified him mostly down to BREXIT and as usual reported fake news because we still believe all we read in the papers.

I for one would do anything to keep my son safe and I can't believe anyone who would say different... "

He wasnt in anyway keeping him safe though if his own account of his actions was to be believed.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

He strikes me as manufactured maverick, a wannabe hard nut who’s simply an eloquent bully. He’s out of his depth now, he’s been exposed as a bit of a wanker really. Why does an unelected advisor have such clout? How is he paid I wonder? Salary or does he invoice as a consultant?

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights


"He broke the rules. Other officials who broke the rules had to resign, but not Dom, because he's special and rules are for the little people anyway.

Also Johnson without Cummings is just a monkey without an organ grinder."

Let's see if Ireland's Leo Varadkar resigns then as he's recently broken the lock down rules with his picnic, is it his turn to be media witch hunted like DC has been...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Will be interesting indeed, personal bets are it won’t even be mentioned past tomorrow

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

His salary can be found out online, surprisingly not very much for the role!

He’s an advisor that’s why not a politician he’s brought in to help campaigns, eg brexit. If you do some research into him he’s not really a bully at all and is quite a wholesome guy, he has mentioned how much he regrets his impact on brexit and the work of Cambridge analytica

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If he was well enough to drive 200 plus miles to drop his child off, he was well enough to look after said child.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I agree and that’s what he did, if he became more ill though where he was he had the contingency for family members to look after his child

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Just to finish for me. I do think he should have been reprimanded but not sacked.

Parts of the media have their own agenda..just remember this is selling their newspapers and feeding their thirst etc. They are loving you in a frenzy.

"

What about the people who think they were sticking to the rules and the man who helped write them wasn't? Do they not matter?

I watched the story he told yesterday and made my own mind up, I didn't need any headlines to do that

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"I think if we are all honest we would've done the same, what responsabl parent wouldn't?

Yes I know there are parents who didn't/dont have the option of a house on an isolated farm, I sympathise greatly 100% with anyone who is having it tough.

Is there a parent on here that wouldn't have done what he did?

The press have vilified him mostly down to BREXIT and as usual reported fake news because we still believe all we read in the papers.

I for one would do anything to keep my son safe and I can't believe anyone who would say different...

No, it wasn’t an emergency. He could have stayed at home easily. It would have been quite feasible for No10 to have sent food round if they needed it. His defence is total bollox, real people have had to put up with real shit during Covid. He hasn’t...

No 10 is a lot of things but not a soup kitchen.

So if you were living far away from relatives and with a toddler suspecting you and your wife may have Covid wouldn't take advantage of a parents isolated farm?

You would say no to that plus the help from his nieces. Have you had family comedown with this?

If you have then you'll know all rational thinking goes out the window..."

He created the rules that say stay home. He wasn’t ill, he didn’t need the childcare and never used the childcare. He risked spreading the virus. His whole trip was ‘just in case’. No I wouldn’t do that.

As far as No.10 goes. The staff are their to do as instructed and they would have arranged support for one of the most important advisors.

How responsible is a father that tests his sight by driving a child around?

If you have symptoms you should isolate. His wife should have isolated and he should have cared for the child. Like most families would do.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"I agree and that’s what he did, if he became more ill though where he was he had the contingency for family members to look after his child "

That is not in the spirit or to the letter of the rules that he helped create.

The rule is isolate at home.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There'll be no oxygen left in the world soon.....

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"There'll be no oxygen left in the world soon....."

That’s because you talk so much Nipster

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had he gone into hospital and his wife there was nobody family wise to look after his son in London.

A close relative of mine went into hospital the week of lockdown with a non covid drama. Not only was that drama never addressed (suspected dementia but could've been an infection) but after weeks in 2 separate hospitals she was told that she had contracted covid in hospital, she without a test was transferred to a covid ward at a 3rd hospital. She was tested 3 days after being on this ward which apparently was positive. As she has COPD plus other problems we thought that was it, in fact the dr rang up to say oxygen had now been taken away, she will be getting no more treatment and would we be able to look after her if she got palliative end of life help?

She came home with 2 relatives taking 24hr care.

A cold would've finished her off nevermind covid, shes been home 4 weeks yesterday and perfectly fine, Doctors had as good as left her to die which is probably what would've happened had there been nobody from the family to care for her at home.

As I hear this isn't exactly unheard of I think the spotlight on someone who did what he did to save his son going into care if he did have the virus a none event.

Id much rather the Papers go into real life dramas that effect us all.

A succession of 4 doctors and 2 specialists and countless nurses in 3 hospitals failed my family totally. Now that is an issue...

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"I agree and that’s what he did, if he became more ill though where he was he had the contingency for family members to look after his child "

Ok

His wife ill,not sure it is Covid or not, he goes home, then goes back to work in the afternoon.

The next day they drive North just in case they get ill and need Childcare ( because there isn't any in London as he hadn't checked or asked his and her family who live close by)

He gets ill the next day (28th) he according to his wife stays in bed really ill for 10 days.

His child gets ill , they phone an ambulance, the wife who could have Covid goes with the child. The next day the 2nd April he leaves his bed to pick them up from Hospital ( 5 days into his 10 days so ill in bed that his wife documented )

They go on a trip out to make sure he can see to drive on the 12th which is his wifes birthday, then to the woods on the way home

They then go home to London

They didn't use any childcare, but she could potentially have infected people in a hospital

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By *eorge JetsonMan
over a year ago

Middlesbrough


"Just to finish for me. I do think he should have been reprimanded but not sacked.

Parts of the media have their own agenda..just remember this is selling their newspapers and feeding their thirst etc. They are loving you in a frenzy.

What about the people who think they were sticking to the rules and the man who helped write them wasn't? Do they not matter?

I watched the story he told yesterday and made my own mind up, I didn't need any headlines to do that

"

Yeah, i watched that statement he made too.

And i can tell you without having the slightest clue about his "situation" that Dominic Cummings DIDN'T write that statement.

He was reading prompted "tactical" script that someone else had written for him.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

What are you proposing that they didn’t travel to the hospital with their 4 year old child? And rather than having anoth potential infectee he picked them up himself from the hospital, I think that’s a very fair thing to do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don’t really understand all the hate for Cummings, I think he did what most parents would do in that situation to look after his child "

One rule for us, one rule for them.

Explain what he did to the parents of children who died alone and we not allowed to spend their last moments together. To those who had to stand by and watch their loved ones pass without being there, and then had such limited funeral services, no wakes, no proper send off. To those who followed the rules, and watched as their business failed. To those who lost their lives because others were not following the rules.

Cummings is a self-entitled Tory twat. To him, rules clearly are for other people. He should have been fired, but Boris hasn't the balls to do so, and Cummings won't quit.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"What are you proposing that they didn’t travel to the hospital with their 4 year old child? And rather than having anoth potential infectee he picked them up himself from the hospital, I think that’s a very fair thing to do "

No

But if he went for a childcare issue, he could have used that option. IE his niece who he said was going to be used if needed

People should really not to be going anywhere will possible Covid symptoms

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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with *

I just can't believe how gullible people can be at the moment, surely after seeing that interview people are sure he is telling the truth?

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham


"Just to finish for me. I do think he should have been reprimanded but not sacked.

Parts of the media have their own agenda..just remember this is selling their newspapers and feeding their thirst etc. They are loving you in a frenzy.

What about the people who think they were sticking to the rules and the man who helped write them wasn't? Do they not matter?

I watched the story he told yesterday and made my own mind up, I didn't need any headlines to do that

Yeah, i watched that statement he made too.

And i can tell you without having the slightest clue about his "situation" that Dominic Cummings DIDN'T write that statement.

He was reading prompted "tactical" script that someone else had written for him. "

I would suspect he's responsible for a lot of the PMs speeches so he probably did.

Not in isolation though, team effort. He's not very good at isolation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"... granted due to the sons illness this wasn’t required but surely that aspect makes sense"

If you accept the lies, decent and contempt of a career psychopath, then, and only then, does any of it makes sense.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree and that’s what he did, if he became more ill though where he was he had the contingency for family members to look after his child

That is not in the spirit or to the letter of the rules that he helped create.

The rule is isolate at home. "

His 2 nieces had agreed to look after his 4yr old should they become too ill to look after him.

The rule changes on isolation if the health of a child is at stake, that's in the official guidelines.

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By *ob Carpe DiemMan
over a year ago

Torquay


"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London "

Yes but the visit to the castle, doesn't sound right to me, what's your view on that

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By *dam1971Man
over a year ago

Bedford


"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London "

The journalists you don’t agree with are fake news and posters you don’t agree with are keyboard warriors? It looks to me like you’re playing the man instead of the ball.

And you know everyone’s truth better than they know themselves? We can’t believe our own opinions but should believe your opinions about us? Are you really sure you’re up for debating the issue here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London "

He made the rules he didn't follow! He had lots of other options but decided to go his own way rather than follow the official advice.

If you can't see the issue here, keep drinking the Tory party cool-aid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just to finish for me. I do think he should have been reprimanded but not sacked.

Parts of the media have their own agenda..just remember this is selling their newspapers and feeding their thirst etc. They are loving you in a frenzy.

What about the people who think they were sticking to the rules and the man who helped write them wasn't? Do they not matter?

I watched the story he told yesterday and made my own mind up, I didn't need any headlines to do that

Yeah, i watched that statement he made too.

And i can tell you without having the slightest clue about his "situation" that Dominic Cummings DIDN'T write that statement.

He was reading prompted "tactical" script that someone else had written for him.

I would suspect he's responsible for a lot of the PMs speeches so he probably did.

Not in isolation though, team effort. He's not very good at isolation."

I dont believe anybody else could possibly have written that in the serious hope it would be believed, it was the worst account that could have been given, missing every mark possible. Written ironically to make him look an idiot I could believe. You just couldnt put your name to that speech if you truly thought you were helping him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London "

And the driving eye test? Have you fallen for that whopper

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London "

Maybe, but the people with any principles would own up to it

On a mods note, lets not go down the insult route because people don't agree with what you say as people get annoyed and it sends a thread a totally different direction

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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It will be interesting to see if he / she takes an antibody test to see if either of them had it at all

I think they wanted to go on their jollies to their family and Easter, they probably booked their holidays at work ages ago, they then made an elaborate story up for if / when they get caught

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I think if we are all honest we would've done the same, what responsabl parent wouldn't?

Yes I know there are parents who didn't/dont have the option of a house on an isolated farm, I sympathise greatly 100% with anyone who is having it tough.

Is there a parent on here that wouldn't have done what he did?

The press have vilified him mostly down to BREXIT and as usual reported fake news because we still believe all we read in the papers.

I for one would do anything to keep my son safe and I can't believe anyone who would say different... "

Thing is thousands of very responsible people, some doctors etc have been in exactly the same situation and stayed at home wuth their kids when both have had the virus..

His Whole so called defence, his assessment of what to do is in my eyes a complete fabrication to justify getting away to a quiet location away from what was at the time a virus hot spot..

And when caught he's come out with an absolute pile of drivel in order to not have the common decency of saying yeah I fecked up..

It was a jolly and probably others have done the same but they are not part of the team that wrote the guidelines that the vast majority have diligently adhered to..

We have all made sacrifices in not seeing loved ones, some have not been able to travel to say bye to loved ones and that will not go away easily no matter how the tories try and say move on..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London

Yes but the visit to the castle, doesn't sound right to me, what's your view on that"

My personal view is despite me backing up what he did I agree it sounds a little wrong somewhere.

Heres what I think bottom line...

When ever anything goes wrong we must find someone to blame so we have a focal point of our anger and frustrations.

With this virus we've all been affected, some very much and sadly worse than others.

We have no one to blame do we? No one to single out or point at except a Chinese wet market (if that is where it came from)

The panic of this virus continues as we worry about loved ones and just how on the heels of BREXIT our companies will survive.

Cummings has always been the pantomime villain in the shadows, an architect of Brexit which means a little under half of us hate him anyway, Allister Campbell was hated just the same in the Blair years...

Now do we really believe what's printed in the papers? We say no but of course at first we do.

They printed half truths and out and out lies about this because suddenly theres a stick to beat him with.

We have someone to point at with our covid frustrations.

The pressure of his job must be immense at best nevermind when this happened, can you imagine having the weight of the country's problems plus a family crisis like this? He's human like us all.

At worst hes bent the rules but I for one would've done exactly the same.

With so many of our people dying he must have considered what would happen to his child if both he and his wife were to die.

I would've done what he did in a heartbeat, if your honest so would've you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London

Yes but the visit to the castle, doesn't sound right to me, what's your view on that

My personal view is despite me backing up what he did I agree it sounds a little wrong somewhere.

Heres what I think bottom line...

When ever anything goes wrong we must find someone to blame so we have a focal point of our anger and frustrations.

With this virus we've all been affected, some very much and sadly worse than others.

We have no one to blame do we? No one to single out or point at except a Chinese wet market (if that is where it came from)

The panic of this virus continues as we worry about loved ones and just how on the heels of BREXIT our companies will survive.

Cummings has always been the pantomime villain in the shadows, an architect of Brexit which means a little under half of us hate him anyway, Allister Campbell was hated just the same in the Blair years...

Now do we really believe what's printed in the papers? We say no but of course at first we do.

They printed half truths and out and out lies about this because suddenly theres a stick to beat him with.

We have someone to point at with our covid frustrations.

The pressure of his job must be immense at best nevermind when this happened, can you imagine having the weight of the country's problems plus a family crisis like this? He's human like us all.

At worst hes bent the rules but I for one would've done exactly the same.

With so many of our people dying he must have considered what would happen to his child if both he and his wife were to die.

I would've done what he did in a heartbeat, if your honest so would've you.

"

Totally agree

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London "

Why does having an opinion on something make you a keyboard warrior? It’s an opinion just as valid as yours.

No I would not have done the same. I would have been scared to isolate my child in a car with a sick person. It goes against the rules he made.

He didn’t act in the best interests of his family. What he did demonstrates that.

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By *ymph and ManicCouple
over a year ago

North East

I’ve already added a post regards “celebrities “ who fled London (hot spot) with there family and a few friends to isolate at there farm in south west. ..shock horror the celeb then drove back to London to collect the daughters boyfriend who couldn’t it seems live in lockdown without him. The celeb then had to drive back into London to sort out his business /staff and then drove back into south west to isolate. I use then term lightly regards isolate ..yes Cummings done wrong but he most certainly isn’t the only one. He’s just being pilloried because of his job.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London

Yes but the visit to the castle, doesn't sound right to me, what's your view on that

My personal view is despite me backing up what he did I agree it sounds a little wrong somewhere.

Heres what I think bottom line...

When ever anything goes wrong we must find someone to blame so we have a focal point of our anger and frustrations.

With this virus we've all been affected, some very much and sadly worse than others.

We have no one to blame do we? No one to single out or point at except a Chinese wet market (if that is where it came from)

The panic of this virus continues as we worry about loved ones and just how on the heels of BREXIT our companies will survive.

Cummings has always been the pantomime villain in the shadows, an architect of Brexit which means a little under half of us hate him anyway, Allister Campbell was hated just the same in the Blair years...

Now do we really believe what's printed in the papers? We say no but of course at first we do.

They printed half truths and out and out lies about this because suddenly theres a stick to beat him with.

We have someone to point at with our covid frustrations.

The pressure of his job must be immense at best nevermind when this happened, can you imagine having the weight of the country's problems plus a family crisis like this? He's human like us all.

At worst hes bent the rules but I for one would've done exactly the same.

With so many of our people dying he must have considered what would happen to his child if both he and his wife were to die.

I would've done what he did in a heartbeat, if your honest so would've you.

"

That’s where you are wrong. I would not have done that.

It doesn’t matter who he is. I know nothing about him other than this. What I do know is that the message from Downing Street and his message and his wife’s message all conflict. I also know that he was a key advisor in putting these rules together so he should abide by them.

As for someone to blame ... I don’t need to blame but I can empathise with people who have struggled throughout with childcare issues during illness, people that desperately need support, people that haven’t been able to comfort those grieving. So many tragic tales. Why should he be able to concoct a tale to attempt to justify something that needn’t have happened? He didn’t need to leave. It wasn’t an emergency. It was a ‘just in case’ scenario. His words.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Everything you’ve said has been so insightful and really well thought out..

Not "

simple question......... just one re: the barnard castle trip

if there had been an "incident" during the trip and he had said "i was out driving to check my eyesight officer......" what do we would have happened next?

in fact.... do we even think he would have said " was out driving testing my eyesight" to the officer.....

so why do you think he is trying to take us for mugs.......

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"

Yes but the visit to the castle, doesn't sound right to me, what's your view on that

My personal view is despite me backing up what he did I agree it sounds a little wrong somewhere.

Heres what I think bottom line...

When ever anything goes wrong we must find someone to blame so we have a focal point of our anger and frustrations.

With this virus we've all been affected, some very much and sadly worse than others.

We have no one to blame do we? No one to single out or point at except a Chinese wet market (if that is where it came from)

The panic of this virus continues as we worry about loved ones and just how on the heels of BREXIT our companies will survive.

Cummings has always been the pantomime villain in the shadows, an architect of Brexit which means a little under half of us hate him anyway, Allister Campbell was hated just the same in the Blair years...

Now do we really believe what's printed in the papers? We say no but of course at first we do.

They printed half truths and out and out lies about this because suddenly theres a stick to beat him with.

We have someone to point at with our covid frustrations.

The pressure of his job must be immense at best nevermind when this happened, can you imagine having the weight of the country's problems plus a family crisis like this? He's human like us all.

At worst hes bent the rules but I for one would've done exactly the same.

With so many of our people dying he must have considered what would happen to his child if both he and his wife were to die.

I would've done what he did in a heartbeat, if your honest so would've you.

"

you should have just finished typing after "a little wrong......"

that my friend is 1 line of a semi answer that you cant justify.... and 24 lines of deflection (ooooh lets go and look at that big shiny object....)

so again..... castle barnard????? you put such a great effort into justifying the original trip.... so how about the jolly on his wifes birthday? (cause we all know....)

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over a year ago


"I don’t really understand all the hate for Cummings, I think he did what most parents would do in that situation to look after his child "

So let me get this straight, you as a parent will travel 240 miles to live in a cottage when you have covid 19 symptoms to protect you child?, then to see if your eyesight is better drive 30 miles to a town?

Hilarious!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London

Yes but the visit to the castle, doesn't sound right to me, what's your view on that

My personal view is despite me backing up what he did I agree it sounds a little wrong somewhere.

Heres what I think bottom line...

When ever anything goes wrong we must find someone to blame so we have a focal point of our anger and frustrations.

With this virus we've all been affected, some very much and sadly worse than others.

We have no one to blame do we? No one to single out or point at except a Chinese wet market (if that is where it came from)

The panic of this virus continues as we worry about loved ones and just how on the heels of BREXIT our companies will survive.

Cummings has always been the pantomime villain in the shadows, an architect of Brexit which means a little under half of us hate him anyway, Allister Campbell was hated just the same in the Blair years...

Now do we really believe what's printed in the papers? We say no but of course at first we do.

They printed half truths and out and out lies about this because suddenly theres a stick to beat him with.

We have someone to point at with our covid frustrations.

The pressure of his job must be immense at best nevermind when this happened, can you imagine having the weight of the country's problems plus a family crisis like this? He's human like us all.

At worst hes bent the rules but I for one would've done exactly the same.

With so many of our people dying he must have considered what would happen to his child if both he and his wife were to die.

I would've done what he did in a heartbeat, if your honest so would've you.

"

Let’s pretend that Cummings was telling the truth, would you take yours wife and 4 year old son on a 30 mile drive to see if your eyesight is good enough ? When you aren’t sure if you can see properly do you get in a car and go for a drive?

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham


"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London

Yes but the visit to the castle, doesn't sound right to me, what's your view on that

My personal view is despite me backing up what he did I agree it sounds a little wrong somewhere.

Heres what I think bottom line...

When ever anything goes wrong we must find someone to blame so we have a focal point of our anger and frustrations.

With this virus we've all been affected, some very much and sadly worse than others.

We have no one to blame do we? No one to single out or point at except a Chinese wet market (if that is where it came from)

The panic of this virus continues as we worry about loved ones and just how on the heels of BREXIT our companies will survive.

Cummings has always been the pantomime villain in the shadows, an architect of Brexit which means a little under half of us hate him anyway, Allister Campbell was hated just the same in the Blair years...

Now do we really believe what's printed in the papers? We say no but of course at first we do.

They printed half truths and out and out lies about this because suddenly theres a stick to beat him with.

We have someone to point at with our covid frustrations.

The pressure of his job must be immense at best nevermind when this happened, can you imagine having the weight of the country's problems plus a family crisis like this? He's human like us all.

At worst hes bent the rules but I for one would've done exactly the same.

With so many of our people dying he must have considered what would happen to his child if both he and his wife were to die.

I would've done what he did in a heartbeat, if your honest so would've you.

Let’s pretend that Cummings was telling the truth, would you take yours wife and 4 year old son on a 30 mile drive to see if your eyesight is good enough ? When you aren’t sure if you can see properly do you get in a car and go for a drive? "

Yeah you've got to carry out the test using the same variables otherwise it the results won't be valid...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London

Yes but the visit to the castle, doesn't sound right to me, what's your view on that

My personal view is despite me backing up what he did I agree it sounds a little wrong somewhere.

Heres what I think bottom line...

When ever anything goes wrong we must find someone to blame so we have a focal point of our anger and frustrations.

With this virus we've all been affected, some very much and sadly worse than others.

We have no one to blame do we? No one to single out or point at except a Chinese wet market (if that is where it came from)

The panic of this virus continues as we worry about loved ones and just how on the heels of BREXIT our companies will survive.

Cummings has always been the pantomime villain in the shadows, an architect of Brexit which means a little under half of us hate him anyway, Allister Campbell was hated just the same in the Blair years...

Now do we really believe what's printed in the papers? We say no but of course at first we do.

They printed half truths and out and out lies about this because suddenly theres a stick to beat him with.

We have someone to point at with our covid frustrations.

The pressure of his job must be immense at best nevermind when this happened, can you imagine having the weight of the country's problems plus a family crisis like this? He's human like us all.

At worst hes bent the rules but I for one would've done exactly the same.

With so many of our people dying he must have considered what would happen to his child if both he and his wife were to die.

I would've done what he did in a heartbeat, if your honest so would've you.

Let’s pretend that Cummings was telling the truth, would you take yours wife and 4 year old son on a 30 mile drive to see if your eyesight is good enough ? When you aren’t sure if you can see properly do you get in a car and go for a drive?

Yeah you've got to carry out the test using the same variables otherwise it the results won't be valid..."

Ah, so you have to make sure the wife and kids are in the car otherwise it’s not a true test

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia

Here's what happened.. The wife felt a bit iffy, they knew they were going to have to isolate and thought "here, I know! let's go to the cottage, it'll be a lot nicer doing it up there than in London.." and that's what they did, and had a jolly nice time with a nice day trip thrown in. We all know it. All the rest of this is just pure fucking spin to make it look less shit. Is it a hanging offence? No. Is it a resignation offence? In his position, yes

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I wonder if this could actually damage them?its brought into plain sight the power and influence he has.They couldnt even do the normal trick of sacking him and quietly bringing him back after a few months.

Loads of tory mps are not happy and even the likes of the mail are after him.

Not that it will make the blind bit of difference to the people who voted for them but it could be quite damaging.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's what happened.. The wife felt a bit iffy, they knew they were going to have to isolate and thought "here, I know! let's go to the cottage, it'll be a lot nicer doing it up there than in London.." and that's what they did, and had a jolly nice time with a nice day trip thrown in. We all know it. All the rest of this is just pure fucking spin to make it look less shit. Is it a hanging offence? No. Is it a resignation offence? In his position, yes"

I agree, tbh I don’t want him to resign, or get sacked, I won’t him to get fined £60 for breaking the rules like everyone else, that will destroy what’s left of his and the governments credibility

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London

Yes but the visit to the castle, doesn't sound right to me, what's your view on that

My personal view is despite me backing up what he did I agree it sounds a little wrong somewhere.

Heres what I think bottom line...

When ever anything goes wrong we must find someone to blame so we have a focal point of our anger and frustrations.

With this virus we've all been affected, some very much and sadly worse than others.

We have no one to blame do we? No one to single out or point at except a Chinese wet market (if that is where it came from)

The panic of this virus continues as we worry about loved ones and just how on the heels of BREXIT our companies will survive.

Cummings has always been the pantomime villain in the shadows, an architect of Brexit which means a little under half of us hate him anyway, Allister Campbell was hated just the same in the Blair years...

Now do we really believe what's printed in the papers? We say no but of course at first we do.

They printed half truths and out and out lies about this because suddenly theres a stick to beat him with.

We have someone to point at with our covid frustrations.

The pressure of his job must be immense at best nevermind when this happened, can you imagine having the weight of the country's problems plus a family crisis like this? He's human like us all.

At worst hes bent the rules but I for one would've done exactly the same.

With so many of our people dying he must have considered what would happen to his child if both he and his wife were to die.

I would've done what he did in a heartbeat, if your honest so would've you.

Let’s pretend that Cummings was telling the truth, would you take yours wife and 4 year old son on a 30 mile drive to see if your eyesight is good enough ? When you aren’t sure if you can see properly do you get in a car and go for a drive? "

As I've said I don't necessarily believe that part of the story.

What I do know is what it's like to go through the range of emotions and confusion this virus can dish out, if you go back 2 hrs or so you'll read my post that briefly touches on that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London

Yes but the visit to the castle, doesn't sound right to me, what's your view on that

My personal view is despite me backing up what he did I agree it sounds a little wrong somewhere.

Heres what I think bottom line...

When ever anything goes wrong we must find someone to blame so we have a focal point of our anger and frustrations.

With this virus we've all been affected, some very much and sadly worse than others.

We have no one to blame do we? No one to single out or point at except a Chinese wet market (if that is where it came from)

The panic of this virus continues as we worry about loved ones and just how on the heels of BREXIT our companies will survive.

Cummings has always been the pantomime villain in the shadows, an architect of Brexit which means a little under half of us hate him anyway, Allister Campbell was hated just the same in the Blair years...

Now do we really believe what's printed in the papers? We say no but of course at first we do.

They printed half truths and out and out lies about this because suddenly theres a stick to beat him with.

We have someone to point at with our covid frustrations.

The pressure of his job must be immense at best nevermind when this happened, can you imagine having the weight of the country's problems plus a family crisis like this? He's human like us all.

At worst hes bent the rules but I for one would've done exactly the same.

With so many of our people dying he must have considered what would happen to his child if both he and his wife were to die.

I would've done what he did in a heartbeat, if your honest so would've you.

Let’s pretend that Cummings was telling the truth, would you take yours wife and 4 year old son on a 30 mile drive to see if your eyesight is good enough ? When you aren’t sure if you can see properly do you get in a car and go for a drive?

As I've said I don't necessarily believe that part of the story.

What I do know is what it's like to go through the range of emotions and confusion this virus can dish out, if you go back 2 hrs or so you'll read my post that briefly touches on that.

"

I think the stress people were under isnt under question. Just that most people had the added stress of knowing they couldnt do exactly what he did and had to carry on regardless. Peoples instincts were all to protect their family and seek help, but were told those actions just wern't allowed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London

Yes but the visit to the castle, doesn't sound right to me, what's your view on that

My personal view is despite me backing up what he did I agree it sounds a little wrong somewhere.

Heres what I think bottom line...

When ever anything goes wrong we must find someone to blame so we have a focal point of our anger and frustrations.

With this virus we've all been affected, some very much and sadly worse than others.

We have no one to blame do we? No one to single out or point at except a Chinese wet market (if that is where it came from)

The panic of this virus continues as we worry about loved ones and just how on the heels of BREXIT our companies will survive.

Cummings has always been the pantomime villain in the shadows, an architect of Brexit which means a little under half of us hate him anyway, Allister Campbell was hated just the same in the Blair years...

Now do we really believe what's printed in the papers? We say no but of course at first we do.

They printed half truths and out and out lies about this because suddenly theres a stick to beat him with.

We have someone to point at with our covid frustrations.

The pressure of his job must be immense at best nevermind when this happened, can you imagine having the weight of the country's problems plus a family crisis like this? He's human like us all.

At worst hes bent the rules but I for one would've done exactly the same.

With so many of our people dying he must have considered what would happen to his child if both he and his wife were to die.

I would've done what he did in a heartbeat, if your honest so would've you.

Let’s pretend that Cummings was telling the truth, would you take yours wife and 4 year old son on a 30 mile drive to see if your eyesight is good enough ? When you aren’t sure if you can see properly do you get in a car and go for a drive?

As I've said I don't necessarily believe that part of the story.

What I do know is what it's like to go through the range of emotions and confusion this virus can dish out, if you go back 2 hrs or so you'll read my post that briefly touches on that.

"

So why did he lie to the public, the PM and the government? Why couldn’t he have just admitted he was confused and emotional and made an error of judgement? That would have gone down far better than the pathetic story he came up with

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia


"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London

Yes but the visit to the castle, doesn't sound right to me, what's your view on that

My personal view is despite me backing up what he did I agree it sounds a little wrong somewhere.

Heres what I think bottom line...

When ever anything goes wrong we must find someone to blame so we have a focal point of our anger and frustrations.

With this virus we've all been affected, some very much and sadly worse than others.

We have no one to blame do we? No one to single out or point at except a Chinese wet market (if that is where it came from)

The panic of this virus continues as we worry about loved ones and just how on the heels of BREXIT our companies will survive.

Cummings has always been the pantomime villain in the shadows, an architect of Brexit which means a little under half of us hate him anyway, Allister Campbell was hated just the same in the Blair years...

Now do we really believe what's printed in the papers? We say no but of course at first we do.

They printed half truths and out and out lies about this because suddenly theres a stick to beat him with.

We have someone to point at with our covid frustrations.

The pressure of his job must be immense at best nevermind when this happened, can you imagine having the weight of the country's problems plus a family crisis like this? He's human like us all.

At worst hes bent the rules but I for one would've done exactly the same.

With so many of our people dying he must have considered what would happen to his child if both he and his wife were to die.

I would've done what he did in a heartbeat, if your honest so would've you.

Let’s pretend that Cummings was telling the truth, would you take yours wife and 4 year old son on a 30 mile drive to see if your eyesight is good enough ? When you aren’t sure if you can see properly do you get in a car and go for a drive?

As I've said I don't necessarily believe that part of the story.

What I do know is what it's like to go through the range of emotions and confusion this virus can dish out, if you go back 2 hrs or so you'll read my post that briefly touches on that.

"

When they made the decision to leave London by his own admission, she was feeling unwell, but no cough or fever, so not indicating covid, and he had no symptoms. And their first reaction.. ? “OUR SON'S LIFE IS IN IMINANT PERIL, TO THE COTTAGE!!

it's fucking nonsense and we all know it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's what happened.. The wife felt a bit iffy, they knew they were going to have to isolate and thought "here, I know! let's go to the cottage, it'll be a lot nicer doing it up there than in London.." and that's what they did, and had a jolly nice time with a nice day trip thrown in. We all know it. All the rest of this is just pure fucking spin to make it look less shit. Is it a hanging offence? No. Is it a resignation offence? In his position, yes"

I love the arrogance of the iffy line almost as much as the jolly trip up north. My mother felt a bit iffy, iffy turned into hospitalization, hospitalization turned into covid, covid turns into Doctor asking if she could take a jolly trip home so she can die there as they had decided to no longer treat her iffiness.

You might disagree and that's your prerogative, but your arrogance in belittling the seriousness of undergoing the symptoms just shows your lack of compassion.

Will you be resigning from fab now..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London

Yes but the visit to the castle, doesn't sound right to me, what's your view on that

My personal view is despite me backing up what he did I agree it sounds a little wrong somewhere.

Heres what I think bottom line...

When ever anything goes wrong we must find someone to blame so we have a focal point of our anger and frustrations.

With this virus we've all been affected, some very much and sadly worse than others.

We have no one to blame do we? No one to single out or point at except a Chinese wet market (if that is where it came from)

The panic of this virus continues as we worry about loved ones and just how on the heels of BREXIT our companies will survive.

Cummings has always been the pantomime villain in the shadows, an architect of Brexit which means a little under half of us hate him anyway, Allister Campbell was hated just the same in the Blair years...

Now do we really believe what's printed in the papers? We say no but of course at first we do.

They printed half truths and out and out lies about this because suddenly theres a stick to beat him with.

We have someone to point at with our covid frustrations.

The pressure of his job must be immense at best nevermind when this happened, can you imagine having the weight of the country's problems plus a family crisis like this? He's human like us all.

At worst hes bent the rules but I for one would've done exactly the same.

With so many of our people dying he must have considered what would happen to his child if both he and his wife were to die.

I would've done what he did in a heartbeat, if your honest so would've you.

Let’s pretend that Cummings was telling the truth, would you take yours wife and 4 year old son on a 30 mile drive to see if your eyesight is good enough ? When you aren’t sure if you can see properly do you get in a car and go for a drive?

As I've said I don't necessarily believe that part of the story.

What I do know is what it's like to go through the range of emotions and confusion this virus can dish out, if you go back 2 hrs or so you'll read my post that briefly touches on that.

When they made the decision to leave London by his own admission, she was feeling unwell, but no cough or fever, so not indicating covid, and he had no symptoms. And their first reaction.. ? “OUR SON'S LIFE IS IN IMINANT PERIL, TO THE COTTAGE!!

it's fucking nonsense and we all know it"

Unfortunately we don’t ‘all’ know it, there are some who believe or want to believe his story. What we do know is that Boris and his ministers who are defending him , know full well he is lying and that is scandalous

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just a quick thought

Cummings is probably dodgy

And the guy from Barnard castle

Who says he recognised him from a photo ha ha you must be joking

Up until last week 99% of people wouldn't recognize him if he fell on them

Media witch hunt.. me thinks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's what happened.. The wife felt a bit iffy, they knew they were going to have to isolate and thought "here, I know! let's go to the cottage, it'll be a lot nicer doing it up there than in London.." and that's what they did, and had a jolly nice time with a nice day trip thrown in. We all know it. All the rest of this is just pure fucking spin to make it look less shit. Is it a hanging offence? No. Is it a resignation offence? In his position, yes

I love the arrogance of the iffy line almost as much as the jolly trip up north. My mother felt a bit iffy, iffy turned into hospitalization, hospitalization turned into covid, covid turns into Doctor asking if she could take a jolly trip home so she can die there as they had decided to no longer treat her iffiness.

You might disagree and that's your prerogative, but your arrogance in belittling the seriousness of undergoing the symptoms just shows your lack of compassion.

Will you be resigning from fab now..?"

I could be completely wrong here, but is vomiting one of the key symptoms of COVID?

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Look up the Dutch priminster...in adversity...total class ..not like the knob head cummings

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just a quick thought

Cummings is probably dodgy

And the guy from Barnard castle

Who says he recognised him from a photo ha ha you must be joking

Up until last week 99% of people wouldn't recognize him if he fell on them

Media witch hunt.. me thinks

"

Yes it’s a media witch hunt, just give Cummings his £60 fine for breaking lockdown by driving to barnard castle ,let him keep his job and then let’s go from there

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By *dam1971Man
over a year ago

Bedford


"Just a quick thought

Cummings is probably dodgy

And the guy from Barnard castle

Who says he recognised him from a photo ha ha you must be joking

Up until last week 99% of people wouldn't recognize him if he fell on them

Media witch hunt.. me thinks

"

You realise he admitted being there, right?

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

Very surprised he did not resign let the storm pass then in better times return. Boris will be forced to act if more MP's resign.

The only reason to resign is to stop more damage to the government.

As for the actual offense he should be fined like anyone else. There have been some crazy breaches of the lockdown and no one to my knowledge has been sacked for them.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Here's what happened.. The wife felt a bit iffy, they knew they were going to have to isolate and thought "here, I know! let's go to the cottage, it'll be a lot nicer doing it up there than in London.." and that's what they did, and had a jolly nice time with a nice day trip thrown in. We all know it. All the rest of this is just pure fucking spin to make it look less shit. Is it a hanging offence? No. Is it a resignation offence? In his position, yes

I love the arrogance of the iffy line almost as much as the jolly trip up north. My mother felt a bit iffy, iffy turned into hospitalization, hospitalization turned into covid, covid turns into Doctor asking if she could take a jolly trip home so she can die there as they had decided to no longer treat her iffiness.

You might disagree and that's your prerogative, but your arrogance in belittling the seriousness of undergoing the symptoms just shows your lack of compassion.

Will you be resigning from fab now..?"

well we know that she felt "iffy" because by the admission in his own statement she felt better the next day........

please stop defending the indefensible....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Very surprised he did not resign let the storm pass then in better times return. Boris will be forced to act if more MP's resign.

The only reason to resign is to stop more damage to the government.

As for the actual offense he should be fined like anyone else. There have been some crazy breaches of the lockdown and no one to my knowledge has been sacked for them."

I agree, give him his £60 fine, then let’s see what Boris does next

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia


"Here's what happened.. The wife felt a bit iffy, they knew they were going to have to isolate and thought "here, I know! let's go to the cottage, it'll be a lot nicer doing it up there than in London.." and that's what they did, and had a jolly nice time with a nice day trip thrown in. We all know it. All the rest of this is just pure fucking spin to make it look less shit. Is it a hanging offence? No. Is it a resignation offence? In his position, yes

I love the arrogance of the iffy line almost as much as the jolly trip up north. My mother felt a bit iffy, iffy turned into hospitalization, hospitalization turned into covid, covid turns into Doctor asking if she could take a jolly trip home so she can die there as they had decided to no longer treat her iffiness.

You might disagree and that's your prerogative, but your arrogance in belittling the seriousness of undergoing the symptoms just shows your lack of compassion.

Will you be resigning from fab now..?"

Shevwas not symptomatic of covid, he confirmed that at the presser, probably to excuse going back to Downing Street immediately after seeing her.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Just a quick thought

Cummings is probably dodgy

And the guy from Barnard castle

Who says he recognised him from a photo ha ha you must be joking

Up until last week 99% of people wouldn't recognize him if he fell on them

Media witch hunt.. me thinks

"

you do know that cummings ADMITTED to being at bernard castle don't you...

are you 24hrs behind or something.....

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Here's what happened.. The wife felt a bit iffy, they knew they were going to have to isolate and thought "here, I know! let's go to the cottage, it'll be a lot nicer doing it up there than in London.." and that's what they did, and had a jolly nice time with a nice day trip thrown in. We all know it. All the rest of this is just pure fucking spin to make it look less shit. Is it a hanging offence? No. Is it a resignation offence? In his position, yes

I love the arrogance of the iffy line almost as much as the jolly trip up north. My mother felt a bit iffy, iffy turned into hospitalization, hospitalization turned into covid, covid turns into Doctor asking if she could take a jolly trip home so she can die there as they had decided to no longer treat her iffiness.

You might disagree and that's your prerogative, but your arrogance in belittling the seriousness of undergoing the symptoms just shows your lack of compassion.

Will you be resigning from fab now..?"

If you have lost your mum in that way then you have my thoughts fella, my sister had it and we were told no resus and no ventilation because of underlying health and fortunately she came through it albeit with more health complications long term..

And Lynn's dad was also sent home with the very same prognosis last week but appears touch wood to be OK ish..

Got to say that your mum's situation whilst heart-rending for you and family is in no way comparable to what cummings did..

Best wishes..

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia


"Here's what happened.. The wife felt a bit iffy, they knew they were going to have to isolate and thought "here, I know! let's go to the cottage, it'll be a lot nicer doing it up there than in London.." and that's what they did, and had a jolly nice time with a nice day trip thrown in. We all know it. All the rest of this is just pure fucking spin to make it look less shit. Is it a hanging offence? No. Is it a resignation offence? In his position, yes

I love the arrogance of the iffy line almost as much as the jolly trip up north. My mother felt a bit iffy, iffy turned into hospitalization, hospitalization turned into covid, covid turns into Doctor asking if she could take a jolly trip home so she can die there as they had decided to no longer treat her iffiness.

You might disagree and that's your prerogative, but your arrogance in belittling the seriousness of undergoing the symptoms just shows your lack of compassion.

Will you be resigning from fab now..?"

And you assume that we have not experienced loss and hardship due to this virus, I assure you that you are incorrect. We simply don't think it's appropriate to try and use it to win an argument

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

The irony of a media witch hunt against a man whose job is to manipulate the media

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"The irony of a media witch hunt against a man whose job is to manipulate the media"

And whose wife works in the media

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By *axtanMan
over a year ago

los Cristianos now

This is how he and the Government respect the people who lost their lives. And those that will in the coming weeks as a result of the breakdown in public support for government guidance.

What a txxx.

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia

Jeremy Hunt just came out against him

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

He should have gone for the sake of the government, paid a fine like others and return in the future.

I don't agree with how some are twisting it though. Ian blackboard was on the news says he took the virus to his elderly parents- simply not true as he stayed in a separate house

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Couldnt have happened to a nicer fella

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"Just a quick thought

Cummings is probably dodgy

And the guy from Barnard castle

Who says he recognised him from a photo ha ha you must be joking

Up until last week 99% of people wouldn't recognize him if he fell on them

Media witch hunt.. me thinks

"

Psstt, he admitted being there.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I think the question of the day was to Mr Gove from Kate Burley

" You've been friends with Cummings for 20 years, aren't you devastated that he didn't feel able to come to you for help ?"

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia

Jonathan Pie on Cummings, fucking genius..

https://youtu.be/tDnGQemzf2s

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just been announced that Durham police are investigating Cummings trip and are looking into all his movements.

I doubt this will just go away as they hoped it would

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People are just pissed off that they didn't know about the loophole so they could exploit it themselves

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Jonathan Pie on Cummings, fucking genius..

https://youtu.be/tDnGQemzf2s"

4x4 cuntmobile

Superb

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham


"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London

Yes but the visit to the castle, doesn't sound right to me, what's your view on that

My personal view is despite me backing up what he did I agree it sounds a little wrong somewhere.

Heres what I think bottom line...

When ever anything goes wrong we must find someone to blame so we have a focal point of our anger and frustrations.

With this virus we've all been affected, some very much and sadly worse than others.

We have no one to blame do we? No one to single out or point at except a Chinese wet market (if that is where it came from)

The panic of this virus continues as we worry about loved ones and just how on the heels of BREXIT our companies will survive.

Cummings has always been the pantomime villain in the shadows, an architect of Brexit which means a little under half of us hate him anyway, Allister Campbell was hated just the same in the Blair years...

Now do we really believe what's printed in the papers? We say no but of course at first we do.

They printed half truths and out and out lies about this because suddenly theres a stick to beat him with.

We have someone to point at with our covid frustrations.

The pressure of his job must be immense at best nevermind when this happened, can you imagine having the weight of the country's problems plus a family crisis like this? He's human like us all.

At worst hes bent the rules but I for one would've done exactly the same.

With so many of our people dying he must have considered what would happen to his child if both he and his wife were to die.

I would've done what he did in a heartbeat, if your honest so would've you.

Let’s pretend that Cummings was telling the truth, would you take yours wife and 4 year old son on a 30 mile drive to see if your eyesight is good enough ? When you aren’t sure if you can see properly do you get in a car and go for a drive?

Yeah you've got to carry out the test using the same variables otherwise it the results won't be valid...

Ah, so you have to make sure the wife and kids are in the car otherwise it’s not a true test "

Exactly

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By *uperJayMan
over a year ago

Blackrock

He must be waiting on the €50 million a week to be spent on the NHS

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By *hilMan
over a year ago

HOUGHTON LE SPRING


"They weren’t in contact with anyone else and stayed in a separate property

They were in contact with others - the emergency services and hospital staff. "

They might not have been within 2 metres of anyone what public facilities have they used when out and about, that other people may have used. i.e. service stations, seating at Barnard Castle, etc

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By *hilMan
over a year ago

HOUGHTON LE SPRING


"I think if we are all honest we would've done the same, what responsabl parent wouldn't?

Yes I know there are parents who didn't/dont have the option of a house on an isolated farm, I sympathise greatly 100% with anyone who is having it tough.

Is there a parent on here that wouldn't have done what he did?

The press have vilified him mostly down to BREXIT and as usual reported fake news because we still believe all we read in the papers.

I for one would do anything to keep my son safe and I can't believe anyone who would say different...

No, it wasn’t an emergency. He could have stayed at home easily. It would have been quite feasible for No10 to have sent food round if they needed it. His defence is total bollox, real people have had to put up with real shit during Covid. He hasn’t...

No 10 is a lot of things but not a soup kitchen.

So if you were living far away from relatives and with a toddler suspecting you and your wife may have Covid wouldn't take advantage of a parents isolated farm?

You would say no to that plus the help from his nieces. Have you had family comedown with this?

If you have then you'll know all rational thinking goes out the window...

He created the rules that say stay home. He wasn’t ill, he didn’t need the childcare and never used the childcare. He risked spreading the virus. His whole trip was ‘just in case’. No I wouldn’t do that.

As far as No.10 goes. The staff are their to do as instructed and they would have arranged support for one of the most important advisors.

How responsible is a father that tests his sight by driving a child around?

If you have symptoms you should isolate. His wife should have isolated and he should have cared for the child. Like most families would do. "

Agree totally irresponsible to drive with defective/ dodgy eye sight, and reckless considering his wife could have driven the vehicle

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By *hilMan
over a year ago

HOUGHTON LE SPRING


"I agree and that’s what he did, if he became more ill though where he was he had the contingency for family members to look after his child

That is not in the spirit or to the letter of the rules that he helped create.

The rule is isolate at home. "

and do not visit other peoples property or gardens

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London

Yes but the visit to the castle, doesn't sound right to me, what's your view on that

My personal view is despite me backing up what he did I agree it sounds a little wrong somewhere.

Heres what I think bottom line...

When ever anything goes wrong we must find someone to blame so we have a focal point of our anger and frustrations.

With this virus we've all been affected, some very much and sadly worse than others.

We have no one to blame do we? No one to single out or point at except a Chinese wet market (if that is where it came from)

The panic of this virus continues as we worry about loved ones and just how on the heels of BREXIT our companies will survive.

Cummings has always been the pantomime villain in the shadows, an architect of Brexit which means a little under half of us hate him anyway, Allister Campbell was hated just the same in the Blair years...

Now do we really believe what's printed in the papers? We say no but of course at first we do.

They printed half truths and out and out lies about this because suddenly theres a stick to beat him with.

We have someone to point at with our covid frustrations.

The pressure of his job must be immense at best nevermind when this happened, can you imagine having the weight of the country's problems plus a family crisis like this? He's human like us all.

At worst hes bent the rules but I for one would've done exactly the same.

With so many of our people dying he must have considered what would happen to his child if both he and his wife were to die.

I would've done what he did in a heartbeat, if your honest so would've you.

Let’s pretend that Cummings was telling the truth, would you take yours wife and 4 year old son on a 30 mile drive to see if your eyesight is good enough ? When you aren’t sure if you can see properly do you get in a car and go for a drive?

Yeah you've got to carry out the test using the same variables otherwise it the results won't be valid...

Ah, so you have to make sure the wife and kids are in the car otherwise it’s not a true test

Exactly "

If he's eyes were bad, and he was alone, who would have driven back? Who do they leave their child with while they do the check?

People are so hell bent on finding the problems, no one is prepared to try think of a valid reason for his actions. I don't know how other people work, but on long journeys, if whoever was driving, and they got tired, the other one would take over so the other can rest.... Well at least thats how it works with me and my family and friends.. Opticians were closed at the time aswell, it have we forgotten that.

If he'd stayed in Durham and was getting paid for not working people would have shat the bed.... Damned if he does, damned if doesn't

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia


"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London

Yes but the visit to the castle, doesn't sound right to me, what's your view on that

My personal view is despite me backing up what he did I agree it sounds a little wrong somewhere.

Heres what I think bottom line...

When ever anything goes wrong we must find someone to blame so we have a focal point of our anger and frustrations.

With this virus we've all been affected, some very much and sadly worse than others.

We have no one to blame do we? No one to single out or point at except a Chinese wet market (if that is where it came from)

The panic of this virus continues as we worry about loved ones and just how on the heels of BREXIT our companies will survive.

Cummings has always been the pantomime villain in the shadows, an architect of Brexit which means a little under half of us hate him anyway, Allister Campbell was hated just the same in the Blair years...

Now do we really believe what's printed in the papers? We say no but of course at first we do.

They printed half truths and out and out lies about this because suddenly theres a stick to beat him with.

We have someone to point at with our covid frustrations.

The pressure of his job must be immense at best nevermind when this happened, can you imagine having the weight of the country's problems plus a family crisis like this? He's human like us all.

At worst hes bent the rules but I for one would've done exactly the same.

With so many of our people dying he must have considered what would happen to his child if both he and his wife were to die.

I would've done what he did in a heartbeat, if your honest so would've you.

Let’s pretend that Cummings was telling the truth, would you take yours wife and 4 year old son on a 30 mile drive to see if your eyesight is good enough ? When you aren’t sure if you can see properly do you get in a car and go for a drive?

Yeah you've got to carry out the test using the same variables otherwise it the results won't be valid...

Ah, so you have to make sure the wife and kids are in the car otherwise it’s not a true test

Exactly

If he's eyes were bad, and he was alone, who would have driven back? Who do they leave their child with while they do the check?

People are so hell bent on finding the problems, no one is prepared to try think of a valid reason for his actions. I don't know how other people work, but on long journeys, if whoever was driving, and they got tired, the other one would take over so the other can rest.... Well at least thats how it works with me and my family and friends.. Opticians were closed at the time aswell, it have we forgotten that.

If he'd stayed in Durham and was getting paid for not working people would have shat the bed.... Damned if he does, damned if doesn't "

You do realise that driving while knowingly unfit is not only dangerous to him, his family and other road users, it's also an offence?? What if his blurry vision had caused an accident?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He was on a jolly to the castle. He knows it, we know it. It's so funny, even funnier that people are pretending to believe it

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"He was on a jolly to the castle. He knows it, we know it. It's so funny, even funnier that people are pretending to believe it "

Yep, as plausible as the parrot pining for the fjords.

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia


"He was on a jolly to the castle. He knows it, we know it. It's so funny, even funnier that people are pretending to believe it "

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By *exyCouple999Couple
over a year ago

South Bucks

So many wannabe Miss Marples on here ! I wonder why they aren't all high ranking government officials. I wonder why on earth not ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So many wannabe Miss Marples on here ! I wonder why they aren't all high ranking government officials. I wonder why on earth not ?"

All too honest..

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By *exyCouple999Couple
over a year ago

South Bucks


"So many wannabe Miss Marples on here ! I wonder why they aren't all high ranking government officials. I wonder why on earth not ?

All too honest.. "

Yes that really does make sense !

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"He was on a jolly to the castle. He knows it, we know it. It's so funny, even funnier that people are pretending to believe it "

Totally this and some of the faux outrage against anyone not accepting the pile of cold cat sick that was his explanation is down to those who swallowed it early on..

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

As he openly admitted on national tv he drove while unfit to do so or at least he had concerns over his eye sight why have the police not followed this up. Surely it's an easy conviction.

The only thing I can see against that is if the police do that they are themselves backing up his story so at worst he will be done for driving while not fit

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

..


"I think the question of the day was to Mr Gove from Kate Burley

" You've been friends with Cummings for 20 years, aren't you devastated that he didn't feel able to come to you for help ?"

"

That whole interview was fantastic.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"I agree and that’s what he did, if he became more ill though where he was he had the contingency for family members to look after his child

That is not in the spirit or to the letter of the rules that he helped create.

The rule is isolate at home.

His 2 nieces had agreed to look after his 4yr old should they become too ill to look after him.

The rule changes on isolation if the health of a child is at stake, that's in the official guidelines."

The health of the child wasn’t at risk. At no time we’re both of them too ill to look after the child. His trip was a ‘just in case’ measure apparently. We could all do that but we don’t.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham


"It’s all well and good everyone chirping against him on here but you keyboard warriors know that in the same situation you’d have done the same.

I know you say you won’t but he acted on instinct in the best interests of his family and put no one at anymore risk than he would’ve done had he stayed in London

Yes but the visit to the castle, doesn't sound right to me, what's your view on that

My personal view is despite me backing up what he did I agree it sounds a little wrong somewhere.

Heres what I think bottom line...

When ever anything goes wrong we must find someone to blame so we have a focal point of our anger and frustrations.

With this virus we've all been affected, some very much and sadly worse than others.

We have no one to blame do we? No one to single out or point at except a Chinese wet market (if that is where it came from)

The panic of this virus continues as we worry about loved ones and just how on the heels of BREXIT our companies will survive.

Cummings has always been the pantomime villain in the shadows, an architect of Brexit which means a little under half of us hate him anyway, Allister Campbell was hated just the same in the Blair years...

Now do we really believe what's printed in the papers? We say no but of course at first we do.

They printed half truths and out and out lies about this because suddenly theres a stick to beat him with.

We have someone to point at with our covid frustrations.

The pressure of his job must be immense at best nevermind when this happened, can you imagine having the weight of the country's problems plus a family crisis like this? He's human like us all.

At worst hes bent the rules but I for one would've done exactly the same.

With so many of our people dying he must have considered what would happen to his child if both he and his wife were to die.

I would've done what he did in a heartbeat, if your honest so would've you.

Let’s pretend that Cummings was telling the truth, would you take yours wife and 4 year old son on a 30 mile drive to see if your eyesight is good enough ? When you aren’t sure if you can see properly do you get in a car and go for a drive?

Yeah you've got to carry out the test using the same variables otherwise it the results won't be valid...

Ah, so you have to make sure the wife and kids are in the car otherwise it’s not a true test

Exactly

If he's eyes were bad, and he was alone, who would have driven back? Who do they leave their child with while they do the check?

People are so hell bent on finding the problems, no one is prepared to try think of a valid reason for his actions. I don't know how other people work, but on long journeys, if whoever was driving, and they got tired, the other one would take over so the other can rest.... Well at least thats how it works with me and my family and friends.. Opticians were closed at the time aswell, it have we forgotten that.

If he'd stayed in Durham and was getting paid for not working people would have shat the bed.... Damned if he does, damned if doesn't "

Don't make me laugh. If my eyes were bad, I'm not taking my kids out for a drive to see if they're ok. You think I'd really risk my kids safety ?

If he was hell-bent on testing his eyes driving, he could have driven round the block a few times, and then walked back if he couldn't handle it, his wife would have a short distance to walk to pick up the car. No need to drive to a picturesque castle. For his wife's birthday miles away.

And as for your last point about people shitting the bed if he stayed in Durham while he was getting paid, that's another reason why he shouldn't have driven 280 miles to Durham!

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes


"I agree and that’s what he did, if he became more ill though where he was he had the contingency for family members to look after his child

That is not in the spirit or to the letter of the rules that he helped create.

The rule is isolate at home.

His 2 nieces had agreed to look after his 4yr old should they become too ill to look after him.

The rule changes on isolation if the health of a child is at stake, that's in the official guidelines.

The health of the child wasn’t at risk. At no time we’re both of them too ill to look after the child. His trip was a ‘just in case’ measure apparently. We could all do that but we don’t. "

I do agree with much of what's been said. Just one slight thing. Remember we are looking at this knowing the outcome of all their health issues. At the time he would have had no way of knowing how or if they would recover. As we know now yes they ended up ok but how can he predict that as it could have been more serious and that would endanger the child

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"I agree and that’s what he did, if he became more ill though where he was he had the contingency for family members to look after his child

That is not in the spirit or to the letter of the rules that he helped create.

The rule is isolate at home.

His 2 nieces had agreed to look after his 4yr old should they become too ill to look after him.

The rule changes on isolation if the health of a child is at stake, that's in the official guidelines.

The health of the child wasn’t at risk. At no time we’re both of them too ill to look after the child. His trip was a ‘just in case’ measure apparently. We could all do that but we don’t.

I do agree with much of what's been said. Just one slight thing. Remember we are looking at this knowing the outcome of all their health issues. At the time he would have had no way of knowing how or if they would recover. As we know now yes they ended up ok but how can he predict that as it could have been more serious and that would endanger the child"

The rules are stay home and isolate - even from your own family. Isolate in the home. His family could have collected the child from him. He should have had a test and stay home.

He gives guidance on these messages and therefore knows what to do. It isn’t about hindsight.

I have my own plan in my own hone of what will happen if any of us get it. He advises the government so he must have thought about it.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

you know its bad for the government when you are getting mocked savagely by the front page of the daily star....

and who said this would go away.....

also... the first 5 minutes of newsnight tonight! wow..... they pulled zero punches!! my god i love emily matlis... she is a savage!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://fullfact.org/health/cummings-blog-coronavirus/

Full Fact suggest Dom has been a naughty boy

Go look for yourselves.

Editing his Blog to suggest he forewarned about corona virus.

A 2019 Dominic Cummings blog post was recently edited to explicitly mention a coronavirus

A 2019 blogpost authored by Dominic Cummings was recently edited to include a warning about coronavirus.

The edit appears to have been made on 14 April 2020.

A tweet claiming to show that Dominic Cummings’s blog was edited to make it look like he warned people about coronavirus in 2019 has been shared thousands of times.

Mr Cummings said during his press interview on Monday 25 May: “For years I’ve warned of the dangers of pandemics. Last year I wrote about the possible threat of coronaviruses and the urgent need for planning.”

According to Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine, sometime between 8 April 2020 and 15 April 2020, Mr Cummings’ 2019 blog on pandemics was updated to include a paragraph on SARS (which, along with Covid-19, is also caused by a coronavirus). The added paragraph says:

“Among other things, the GAO report called attention to a well-publicized incident in which a Defense Department laboratory “inadvertently sent live Bacillus anthracis , the bacterium that causes anthrax, to almost 200 laboratories worldwide over the course of 12 years. The laboratory believed that the samples had been inactivated.” The report describes yet another well-publicized incident in China in which “two researchers conducting virus research were exposed to severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) coronavirus samples that were incompletely inactivated. The researchers subsequently transmitted SARS to others, leading to several infections and one death in 2004.

The GAO identified three recent releases of Ebola and Marburg viruses from BSL4 to lower containment labs due to incomplete inactivation.”

This is also confirmed by the website’s sitemap information. This shows that this particular blog post appears to have been edited on 14 April  2020. 

Prior to this, his blog made no mention of coronaviruses. According to BBC economics editor Faisal Islam, an unnamed Number 10 source confirmed the post had been edited, but that the original post did include a link to an article which discussed coronaviruses and from which the added quote was taken. The older version of the blog post also contained quotes from this article.

It rolls on .

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By *hilMan
over a year ago

HOUGHTON LE SPRING

The government has refused to consider refunding people who have been fined for breaking isolation cases for child care .

This means that these actions broke the law, which also is an admission that Cummings has acted illegally

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Evennow on R4 jenrick is still refusing to say that other people can do what cummings did if the think they may have childcare issues..

Yes they're talking bollocks as the guidance and law was and is clear but this is only going to further damage..

When the cover up is bigger than the issue..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Final point, so everyone on here has followed the rules stringently and in line with the government guidelines? Don’t make me laugh, if this was jo from down the street no one would give a shit, it’s a professional witch hunt and you all know it

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham


"Final point, so everyone on here has followed the rules stringently and in line with the government guidelines? Don’t make me laugh, if this was jo from down the street no one would give a shit, it’s a professional witch hunt and you all know it"

We didn't write the rules.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

He has broke the rules that he himself helped to devise.

He has refused to show any remorse or humility.

30 Tory mps are calling him for him to go.

And people are defending him saying its witch hunt.(the irony)

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"Final point, so everyone on here has followed the rules stringently and in line with the government guidelines? Don’t make me laugh, if this was jo from down the street no one would give a shit, it’s a professional witch hunt and you all know it"

I have followed the rules. I haven’t been out of the house in weeks.

It is not a witch hunt that is an argument people use to let others off the hook in my opinion.

If you create the rules then break the rules, you take responsibility for your decision and do the job right thing and resign before more people decide to turn their back on the message being given by government.

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia


"Final point, so everyone on here has followed the rules stringently and in line with the government guidelines? Don’t make me laugh, if this was jo from down the street no one would give a shit, it’s a professional witch hunt and you all know it"

We've absolutely followed the rules, I've even gone as far as contacting the police to ensure my business was operating in accordance with the guidance, the spirit of the guidance and not just the letter.

He messed up, and worse than that, he has lied in an attempt to save himself which speaks volumes about his character, it's Trumpian and its dispicable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Austrian President has been fined for being in a restaurant after the lockdown curfew. He has apologised and will pay the fine....

Now tell us we don't look fucking stupid...

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"Final point, so everyone on here has followed the rules stringently and in line with the government guidelines? "

We have yes

Don't get me wrong every day I wake up and say bugger this I am off to see my Grandkids, but I don't go. The only place we have been is a supermarket

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Opticians were closed at the time aswell, it have we forgotten that.

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So it seems according to an optician on the news, you can get to see an optician in an emergency, they are just not doing routine appointments

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"So many wannabe Miss Marples on here ! I wonder why they aren't all high ranking government officials. I wonder why on earth not ?"

I have principles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Final point, so everyone on here has followed the rules stringently and in line with the government guidelines? Don’t make me laugh, if this was jo from down the street no one would give a shit, it’s a professional witch hunt and you all know it"

Question, why did he blatantly lie about the Barnard castle trip? He could have just admitted the truth and taken his £60 fine. I personally don’t think he shouldn’t lose his job, the longer he stays there the better as far as I am concerned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Final point, so everyone on here has followed the rules stringently and in line with the government guidelines? Don’t make me laugh, if this was jo from down the street no one would give a shit, it’s a professional witch hunt and you all know it

Question, why did he blatantly lie about the Barnard castle trip? He could have just admitted the truth and taken his £60 fine. I personally don’t think he shouldn’t lose his job, the longer he stays there the better as far as I am concerned. "

Should not shouldn’t

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA


"Austrian President has been fined for being in a restaurant after the lockdown curfew. He has apologised and will pay the fine....

Now tell us we don't look fucking stupid..."

Would you be happy if Cummings had been fined and continued in his role?

I'm pretty sure the press wouldn't

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