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"There was always going to be a second wave sadly we live in a age where people won’t be told what to do. I work at a supermarket at the minute and the numbers that are coming through the door are ridiculous all the staff talk about is how many we have in and how no one seems to be able to follow a simple one way system." I live near a Coop which has been a god send but I’ve heard the same people are going in 5 times a day! That’s ridiculous! The shop should not allow it! | |||
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"There was always going to be a second wave sadly we live in a age where people won’t be told what to do. I work at a supermarket at the minute and the numbers that are coming through the door are ridiculous all the staff talk about is how many we have in and how no one seems to be able to follow a simple one way system. I live near a Coop which has been a god send but I’ve heard the same people are going in 5 times a day! That’s ridiculous! The shop should not allow it! " Why not? And why are they going 5 times a day  | |||
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"So we have all seen the let’s go to the beach mentality over the weekend etc. So who thinks there isn’t going to be a second wave and what do you think the numbers are going to be like? " I totally agree with this, all I can say is if there is NO second wave in the next 2 weeks this is all a load of bullshit. I’m staying in thank you. I am lucky enough to have land around me so I will enjoy myself there isolated. | |||
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"There was always going to be a second wave sadly we live in a age where people won’t be told what to do. I work at a supermarket at the minute and the numbers that are coming through the door are ridiculous all the staff talk about is how many we have in and how no one seems to be able to follow a simple one way system. I live near a Coop which has been a god send but I’ve heard the same people are going in 5 times a day! That’s ridiculous! The shop should not allow it! Why not? And why are they going 5 times a day "Not here to argue with you but 5 times a day is ridiculous, plus it’s unfair on the people queuing to get in and it’s putting them and others more at risk. No idea why they are going in 5 times, the Manager thinks to get out of their home! | |||
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"Second wave? This first wave may never end so long as people keep breaking the rules "When the rules say I can let my cleaner into my house but have to see my daughter outside is it any wonder that people are breaking the rules. | |||
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"There was always going to be a second wave sadly we live in a age where people won’t be told what to do. I work at a supermarket at the minute and the numbers that are coming through the door are ridiculous all the staff talk about is how many we have in and how no one seems to be able to follow a simple one way system. I live near a Coop which has been a god send but I’ve heard the same people are going in 5 times a day! That’s ridiculous! The shop should not allow it! Why not? And why are they going 5 times a day
Not here to argue with you but 5 times a day is ridiculous, plus it’s unfair on the people queuing to get in and it’s putting them and others more at risk. No idea why they are going in 5 times, the Manager thinks to get out of their home!"It does seem excessive but if they are following social distancing I don’t see the problem, | |||
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"Second wave is fearmongering talk by governments using their media puppets to keep control of folks for as long as possible, folks are already scared to go outside now nevermind second wave BS. They said Texas, florida and Georgia would become the next Cuomo's NY hit with a devistating second wave. NEWSFLASH! Hasn't happened and there's no trend showing it will happen. " So there won’t be a 2nd wave at all? | |||
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"Second wave is fearmongering talk by governments using their media puppets to keep control of folks for as long as possible, folks are already scared to go outside now nevermind second wave BS. They said Texas, florida and Georgia would become the next Cuomo's NY hit with a devistating second wave. NEWSFLASH! Hasn't happened and there's no trend showing it will happen. So there won’t be a 2nd wave at all? Idiot it will come in the winter Suppose you think the world is flat" Are you referring to me?  | |||
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"You do know that the USA is made up of 50 states with their own governors don't you, it only takes a a quick Google search to see the death figures between blue and red states, and a video of Nancy Pelosi telling everyone to come to China Town in February, two thirds of USA figure are in NY where Cuomo forced cov folk into carehomes instead of using the big ship the federal government got their in 6 days " I actually do. I'm a Yank and have family going through this in NY... | |||
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"You do know that the USA is made up of 50 states with their own governors don't you, it only takes a a quick Google search to see the death figures between blue and red states, and a video of Nancy Pelosi telling everyone to come to China Town in February, two thirds of USA figure are in NY where Cuomo forced cov folk into carehomes instead of using the big ship the federal government got their in 6 days " What is your point? | |||
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"My point is someone on here tried to Trump bash, not having a clue of how America works or what has gone on, and is currently going on now with the blue state governors. " Ah, so Trump has actually done a good job? Technically he has no power then in this current crisis ? | |||
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"My point is someone on here tried to Trump bash, not having a clue of how America works or what has gone on, and is currently going on now with the blue state governors. " I am an American I know how may country is run. I know the 50 states have elected Govenors that run the day to day operation of each state seperately. I also know uneducated people are following what the Dictator in charge is saying and recommending, not what the chief medical experts are telling us. Oh has DT silenced them too? Only to try and get the economy going so he can get reelected. Thats it in a nutshell, DT is looking out for him and his family only.. Its not Trump bashing, its the way new normal converstaions are taking place in the USA, I've learned that from 4 years of reading/watching the POTUS. Yes we as a nation, have stooped low and getting lower by the day. Keep listening to FOX.. Oh, almost forgot the ship that you talk about. That beautiful ship (Some idiot coined that) was only supposed to take non-Covid patients away from NYC hospitals. Again the federal Gov't policy. My job is done here. Unlike me on this post, that virus will be back. | |||
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"So we have all seen the let’s go to the beach mentality over the weekend etc. So who thinks there isn’t going to be a second wave and what do you think the numbers are going to be like? " What is wrong going to the beach? The amended guidelines allow this, albeit 2m distancing. | |||
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"The way people have been behaving over the weekend I would say the second wave is almost certainly on its way. As for herd immunity - it's not going to work, it will take at least five years and immunity after having the virus may only last six months. The only way to beat this virus is to get the infection rate so low that it dissappears and that seems unlikely with the current attitude of some. " That's absolutely impossible. You think 7.8 billion people can stay inside for long enough to completely eradicate this virus ? You think that even if they did there wouldn't be some virus particles survive somewhere on the planet ? This a started only a few months ago with ONE person, now there are millions of infections. The only way forward is to overcome fear and naivety and live with it. Of course a few will die, of course there will be isolated spikes Time to go to the beach, one of the safest places on the entire planet and enjoy life and let the scaremongers die an unfortunately sad and lonely life | |||
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"There was always going to be a second wave sadly we live in a age where people won’t be told what to do. I work at a supermarket at the minute and the numbers that are coming through the door are ridiculous all the staff talk about is how many we have in and how no one seems to be able to follow a simple one way system. I live near a Coop which has been a god send but I’ve heard the same people are going in 5 times a day! That’s ridiculous! The shop should not allow it! Why not? And why are they going 5 times a day
Not here to argue with you but 5 times a day is ridiculous, plus it’s unfair on the people queuing to get in and it’s putting them and others more at risk. No idea why they are going in 5 times, the Manager thinks to get out of their home!"Are you standing by the door and counting them?? | |||
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"We will not have second wave" We will, however I don’t think it will be as bad as the first one . | |||
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"I'm just hoping it dissappears like the Spanish flu did " That didn't disappear. It was H1N1, which also caused the last pandemic we had. Pandemics have second waves, the degree of this will be down to where we are with treatments, increased understanding of how to treat and when, any level of immunity, and the willingness of people to adopt the same restrictions we have now. | |||
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"Whay I don't I understand is after every event, like VE day,everyone says there's going to be a spike in 2 weeks, these spikes aren't happening in the death rates, it's consistently going down. Would this probably be because the vulnerable aren't going out, even in this good weather days, maybe the governments plan has worked, they've scared the daylights out of those who are high risk, knowing the not so high risk wouldn't follow the guidelines as well, so they will slowly get it, but not end up in hospital or dead, essentially slowly creating this herd immunity plan they originally wanted. The lock down hasn't ended, but people are slowly going out and testing the boundaries of the guidelines, it's human behavior to do it. So I don't think the government will ever have difinitive lock down end day, they'll Just rely on human nature. They vulnerable will remain scared and the not so vulnerable will eventually say fuck it. I can't see people still staying in and not meeting friends and family once summer is here, surely all the experts and advisors on human behaviour know this " There are small pockets of spikes that are manageable, until we have antibody testing we won't know how high the spikes went as many are asymptomatic, which is why it is especially important to protect the vulnerable, look at the footballers who are testing positive but are asymptomatic | |||
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"Whay I don't I understand is after every event, like VE day,everyone says there's going to be a spike in 2 weeks, these spikes aren't happening in the death rates, it's consistently going down. Would this probably be because the vulnerable aren't going out, even in this good weather days, maybe the governments plan has worked, they've scared the daylights out of those who are high risk, knowing the not so high risk wouldn't follow the guidelines as well, so they will slowly get it, but not end up in hospital or dead, essentially slowly creating this herd immunity plan they originally wanted. The lock down hasn't ended, but people are slowly going out and testing the boundaries of the guidelines, it's human behavior to do it. So I don't think the government will ever have difinitive lock down end day, they'll Just rely on human nature. They vulnerable will remain scared and the not so vulnerable will eventually say fuck it. I can't see people still staying in and not meeting friends and family once summer is here, surely all the experts and advisors on human behaviour know this There are small pockets of spikes that are manageable, until we have antibody testing we won't know how high the spikes went as many are asymptomatic, which is why it is especially important to protect the vulnerable, look at the footballers who are testing positive but are asymptomatic" That's my point though, they've shocked society enough now to protect the vulnerable. The less vulnerable are now less likely to visit their vulnerable loved ones and the vulnerable are less likely to go out, hence death rates going down. But infection rates are still there amongst the less vulnerable, so essentially slowly still getting the herd immunity plan without saying they are doing it. Most healthy people I speak to say that they aren't scared of getting the virus, their biggest fear is passing it onto a vulnerable loved one, before lock down people just weren't listening, they've changed less vulnerable part of societies thought process. Before lock down people knew the elderly were the highest risk, but still went to visit them and risk them, the shock of the lock down has changed that thinking now. So I think mission accomplished, society is now actively protecting the most vulnerable | |||
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"I'm just hoping it dissappears like the Spanish flu did " But they was when travel abroad was rare | |||
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"My point is someone on here tried to Trump bash, not having a clue of how America works or what has gone on, and is currently going on now with the blue state governors. I am an American I know how may country is run. I know the 50 states have elected Govenors that run the day to day operation of each state seperately. I also know uneducated people are following what the Dictator in charge is saying and recommending, not what the chief medical experts are telling us. Oh has DT silenced them too? Only to try and get the economy going so he can get reelected. Thats it in a nutshell, DT is looking out for him and his family only.. Its not Trump bashing, its the way new normal converstaions are taking place in the USA, I've learned that from 4 years of reading/watching the POTUS. Yes we as a nation, have stooped low and getting lower by the day. Keep listening to FOX.. Oh, almost forgot the ship that you talk about. That beautiful ship (Some idiot coined that) was only supposed to take non-Covid patients away from NYC hospitals. Again the federal Gov't policy. My job is done here. Unlike me on this post, that virus will be back." *MIKE DROP*  | |||
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"Were we not supposed to burying people in mass graves after Mother’s Day, Easter Sunday, VE Day Bank Holiday or any days we have had nice weather and people have gone out en-masse ? The problem is, the media have scared us all into believing this flu virus is the Black Death and it isn’t, it’s a Coronavirus virus; which is the flu albeit a nasty strain but the flu nevertheless." No, no it's not the flu, it's not a strain of the flu and not the flu nevertheless. It's a virus against which we have no immunity, a virus which is causing physiological symptoms and effects not seen before. It's affecting different communities in ways not seen with influenza. It's causing haematological issues not seen before and so on. Yes for the majority of us it would be a minor illness but for others it's life-changing and that's where your actions are important. Not for yourself but for the community as a whole. | |||
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"Is this the same world health organisation that is carrying water for China, and originally stated the virus can not be transmitted from human to human. " No, that is the WHO that you are trying to blame things for that didn’t happen to suit your agenda  | |||
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"Second wave? This first wave may never end so long as people keep breaking the rules " | |||
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"Second wave? This first wave may never end so long as people keep breaking the rules "The government set the rules knowing full well that people wont stick to them hence why they are stricter than they need to be. | |||
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"So we have all seen the let’s go to the beach mentality over the weekend etc. So who thinks there isn’t going to be a second wave and what do you think the numbers are going to be like?....... Death are creeping back up and yeah we'll get a wave 2 for sure " | |||
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"At moment the confirmed cases of people in uk who have had it wether they survived or died is 265 thousand out of a population of 66 million that's less than half a percent of the uk population. Of the people who have had it 37 thousand died so that works out at 15 percent of all who were infected. " Except no one was tested for it in March or April. That number of infected was only hospital admissions. 75% of all the people I know have had symptoms and are waiting for a chance to get the anti body test. It'll be years before we have any proper figures and I doubt that they will ever be accurate figures. | |||
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"At moment the confirmed cases of people in uk who have had it wether they survived or died is 265 thousand out of a population of 66 million that's less than half a percent of the uk population. Of the people who have had it 37 thousand died so that works out at 15 percent of all who were infected. Except no one was tested for it in March or April. That number of infected was only hospital admissions. 75% of all the people I know have had symptoms and are waiting for a chance to get the anti body test. It'll be years before we have any proper figures and I doubt that they will ever be accurate figures." I suppose it depends on how much it costs to have an antibody test, if they released it to the public in time, I'm pretty sure the majority would pay for it just to see if they have had it or not. Even a public funded study would have quite a few participants and theres bound to be a few pharmaceutical companies interested in a study due to the treatment drug revenue to be generated if it proves to be seasonal | |||
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"So we have all seen the let’s go to the beach mentality over the weekend etc. So who thinks there isn’t going to be a second wave and what do you think the numbers are going to be like? " It’ll cum harder and faster than we all we when this is over | |||
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"Is this the same world health organisation that is carrying water for China, and originally stated the virus can not be transmitted from human to human. " The WHO who provided a pandemic strategy in 2009. The WHO that enabled those countries that followed it's strategy to have the lowest infection and death rates in the world. The WHO that reports the information provided to it by individual countries because that is all that they are able to do. You are ranting on every thread for some reason. Why are you so upset? | |||
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"@_asyuk This is (WHO) Jan 14 2020 WHO TWITTER. IN BED WITH CHINA. Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #ChinaFlag of China" So the WHO communicated the information that they were given by China because that is all the information that they have available. That is wrong because? | |||
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"I live in 10 mins from the beach and can assure you the photos you have seen in the press are taken at an angle and is made to look like no social distancing is being adhered too. Many people yes, but the beaches go on for miles and people are spread out. Dont believe everything you see or read. " I’ve not really been leaving the house at all, once a week maybe combining a walk with essential shopping. Hubby convinced me to go out for a proper walk on Monday at a local beauty spot as the weather was so lovely, felt like the whole world and his wife had the same idea..... however, everyone we past or see was mostly respecting the 2 meter rule and it felt safer than going to the shops where people seem to have no respect and reach across you to get what they want! So going to the beach or local beauty spot I have no problem with. Also I prefer the shops where they still have counters in with a one out one in policy Second wave, I’m sitting out June and seeing what July brings. I’ve also made it quite clear at work I prefer to work from home and proved it hasn’t made a difference to my output of work and keeping fingers crossed they let me continue. Wondering if swinging will ever be part of our life again. Haven’t seen friends or family in months and just grateful I’ve got Mr J and really feel for everyone who’s on their own and can’t spend time with family and friends xx think I went slightly off point there, but I’ve typed it now so might as well post it!! | |||
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"Anyone here of the opinion that this is the second wave? The first having happened in november/december.." me | |||
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"Anyone here of the opinion that this is the second wave? The first having happened in november/december.." That wasn't a "wave" at all was it? An early strain perhaps? Less infectious and deadly it would seem, but certainly under the radar. It rather puts the lie to the claim that the WHO were deliberately sharing false information if we didn't spot it... | |||
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"Anyone here of the opinion that this is the second wave? The first having happened in november/december.. That wasn't a "wave" at all was it? An early strain perhaps? Less infectious and deadly it would seem, but certainly under the radar. It rather puts the lie to the claim that the WHO were deliberately sharing false information if we didn't spot it..." I suppose it depends on how many people you are aware of with virus like symptoms.. Then we had christmas, a week of people not moving very much.. | |||
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"Anyone here of the opinion that this is the second wave? The first having happened in november/december.." Where did they hide the bodies then ? | |||
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"Anyone here of the opinion that this is the second wave? The first having happened in november/december.." I know of the French sample from December that tested positive but no others. | |||
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"deaths not reported as Covid as not enough known about it, but a lot of people were ill during December with coughs, breathing difficulties, pneumonia" How many deaths above the 5 year average were reported for the period ? | |||
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"Anyone here of the opinion that this is the second wave? The first having happened in november/december.." I do believe that I had the virus around the end of December. | |||
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"Anyone here of the opinion that this is the second wave? The first having happened in november/december.. I do believe that I had the virus around the end of December." yep i know plenty peeps who were poleaxed over the xmas period and into the new yearwith something the ones who did bother goibg to see there doctors were given anti biotics and sent on there way and they didnt seem to help with watever it was.myself i came down with something end jan begining of feb felt like id had the shit kicked out of me for about ten days | |||
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"There was undoubtedly a bad flu around Christmas time, I had a fever and was floored for a few days and know of at least 2 friends having similar symptoms but I doubt it was Covid-19 " My experience also. It felt very different in January to what I believe was Covid in April. | |||
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"Anyone here of the opinion that this is the second wave? The first having happened in november/december.. Where did they hide the bodies then ?" Nowhere, they followed a normal course, but the deaths not being marked up as covid.. perhaps.. | |||
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"Anyone here of the opinion that this is the second wave? The first having happened in november/december.. I do believe that I had the virus around the end of December." My mum had a horrible cough and sore throat for weeks around that time, she could hardly speak. interesting that she already uses a cpap machine.. My ex collapsed mid novemeber and was taken into hospital.. tested for meningitis, negative result. Released after 3 days with a 'probably a virus' get some rest, have some medicine.. was ill for weeks apparently.. Interesting that she has asthma.. Lots of reports of similar symptoms around then from some fb groups im on.. | |||
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"@_asyuk This is (WHO) Jan 14 2020 WHO TWITTER. IN BED WITH CHINA. Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #ChinaFlag of China So the WHO communicated the information that they were given by China because that is all the information that they have available. That is wrong because?" I'm late to the party again. However I can't believe the vitriol generated here and some of the imbecilic views stated. Being in the high risk category and having lost a friend of supposed pneumonia, but I firmly believe was covid by the circumstances? I'm sticking to a low profile approach. I'm lucky enough to have a very contentious daughter to keep me supplied with essentials and although I do get out am staying well away from others and being aware of touching surfaces. It's up to us all as individuals to use common sense and take appropriate precautions? Hopefully the infection rate will drop and we can get back to some sort of normal life soon? Oh, and hopefully we get some sun when we can? I've missed 3 summer's due to ill health so was hoping this would be the one I could get out!!! Fingers crossed for common sense and sensible government decisions? I have my doubts about both, but am known as an eternal optimist  | |||
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"We might be having the second wave right now, the 1st was dec/Jan, just a thought" lots of people do feel that is the case | |||
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"I'm just hoping it dissappears like the Spanish flu did That didn't disappear. It was H1N1, which also caused the last pandemic we had. Pandemics have second waves, the degree of this will be down to where we are with treatments, increased understanding of how to treat and when, any level of immunity, and the willingness of people to adopt the same restrictions we have now. " The h1n1 Spanish flu strain died out but is reported to be an ancestral strain (lancet.com) of last h1n1 strain. | |||
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"Don't you think its nature sending us a message. You keep filling my seas with plastic, chop down the trees that are the lungs of your planet and filling my air with pollution then I will send you this as a reminder as to who is in charge." No But we do abuse nature | |||
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"Don't you think its nature sending us a message. You keep filling my seas with plastic, chop down the trees that are the lungs of your planet and filling my air with pollution then I will send you this as a reminder as to who is in charge." In the sense that we encroach on the natural habitat of other fauna and flora, yes. | |||
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"The R number will never get above 1, they are now saying they will struggle with a vaccine because the virus is diminishing, most of the virus now is contained in hospitals and care homes, I know its the USA, but florida is a good place to keep an eye on. It never shut down as much as the rest of the USA its been reopening now for about 6 weeks, and Disney are about to re open, figures show all trends down, florida gov looked after the carehomes from the beginning, see a pattern " The R number is or at least has been below 1 else cases would still be going up each day | |||
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"Second wave is fearmongering talk by governments using their media puppets to keep control of folks for as long as possible, folks are already scared to go outside now nevermind second wave BS. They said Texas, florida and Georgia would become the next Cuomo's NY hit with a devistating second wave. NEWSFLASH! Hasn't happened and there's no trend showing it will happen. " Why would the government be trying to tank the economy by fear mongering about a second wave? Makes no sense. Just so they have control?! | |||
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"Don't you think its nature sending us a message. You keep filling my seas with plastic, chop down the trees that are the lungs of your planet and filling my air with pollution then I will send you this as a reminder as to who is in charge." Mother Nature was here long before us and will be here long after we are gone.
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"Hi,I'm in the high risk category,I had a phone call from my gp he told me if I get covid I wouldn't be treated in hospital...he then went on to ask me where I wanted to die if I got covid,I was let in a very traumatic state. So yes there has been scar mongering on a large scale" That is awful. I would make a complaint if I were you. | |||
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"Hi,I'm in the high risk category,I had a phone call from my gp he told me if I get covid I wouldn't be treated in hospital...he then went on to ask me where I wanted to die if I got covid,I was let in a very traumatic state. So yes there has been scar mongering on a large scale" The tragic reality is until an effective treatment is found, current hospital treatments for CV19 patients has a very marginal impact on the outcome Stay safe | |||
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"2nd wave will cone2nd wave started about med April. " Do you think that means it's over then? | |||
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"2nd wave will cone2nd wave started about med April. Do you think that means it's over then?" no but getting there | |||
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"2nd wave will cone2nd wave started about med April. Do you think that means it's over then?no but getting there " You think that's how it works then? It's some purely arithmetic concept where once you have two "waves" it's fixed? You could have multiple ones if you handle it badly. The first infections, if linked, were part of the initial spread with an accidental mini lockdown in-between. | |||
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"2nd wave will cone2nd wave started about med April. " It's like a bad spelling competition | |||
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"Germany have had no 2nd wave. Their R rate has been well below 1 for a month after easing restrictions it’s at 0.60 at the moment " South korea are worried they are entering their second wave, lockdown has been reinstated after a month of relative quiet, it's all sciences best guess when tracking a new virus as theories are constantly changing | |||
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"Germany have had no 2nd wave. Their R rate has been well below 1 for a month after easing restrictions it’s at 0.60 at the moment South korea are worried they are entering their second wave, lockdown has been reinstated after a month of relative quiet, it's all sciences best guess when tracking a new virus as theories are constantly changing " South Korea has not had any "waves". They had 10,000 infections in total and under 300 deaths. They have had localised outbreaks that have been isolated and stopped. This is what Germany is also doing. South Korea shut down bars and nightclubs again as it proved too unsafe for now. That's not a lockdown. They've never had a lockdown. | |||
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