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"Who has it right? N. Ireland are permitting up to 6 people meeting outside. England 2. From what I gather, NI 6 is allowed from different households 2m apart - I could be wrong. What's your opinion about the two different guidelines? " , Yes they were just saying that it is 6 in NI. Not sure what to think anymore, but I suppose we have to get back to some kind of normality. As long as people stick to the social distancing, it should be ok. Not sure why we have different guidelines though  | |||
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"Who has it right? N. Ireland are permitting up to 6 people meeting outside. England 2. From what I gather, NI 6 is allowed from different households 2m apart - I could be wrong. What's your opinion about the two different guidelines? , Yes they were just saying that it is 6 in NI. Not sure what to think anymore, but I suppose we have to get back to some kind of normality. As long as people stick to the social distancing, it should be ok. Not sure why we have different guidelines though "Personally I think merging the two could be good. Two households up to 6? I'd like to know the rationale behind 6. I realise a number is a good idea as we'd end up with copious "mass gatherings". | |||
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"Who has it right? N. Ireland are permitting up to 6 people meeting outside. England 2. From what I gather, NI 6 is allowed from different households 2m apart - I could be wrong. What's your opinion about the two different guidelines? , Yes they were just saying that it is 6 in NI. Not sure what to think anymore, but I suppose we have to get back to some kind of normality. As long as people stick to the social distancing, it should be ok. Not sure why we have different guidelines though
Personally I think merging the two could be good. Two households up to 6? I'd like to know the rationale behind 6. I realise a number is a good idea as we'd end up with copious "mass gatherings". "They just seem to pluck numbers from the air, sometimes. I think it's about using our common sense and hope for the best | |||
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"Who has it right? N. Ireland are permitting up to 6 people meeting outside. England 2. From what I gather, NI 6 is allowed from different households 2m apart - I could be wrong. What's your opinion about the two different guidelines? , Yes they were just saying that it is 6 in NI. Not sure what to think anymore, but I suppose we have to get back to some kind of normality. As long as people stick to the social distancing, it should be ok. Not sure why we have different guidelines though
Personally I think merging the two could be good. Two households up to 6? I'd like to know the rationale behind 6. I realise a number is a good idea as we'd end up with copious "mass gatherings".
They just seem to pluck numbers from the air, sometimes. I think it's about using our common sense and hope for the best
"Two is a ridiculous number IMO when, if the virus is transmitted, that one will take it back to his household. Up to 6 allows people to see their grandchildren, people to see their elderly parents etc. A number also helps police to know when to contravene. | |||
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"Who has it right? N. Ireland are permitting up to 6 people meeting outside. England 2. From what I gather, NI 6 is allowed from different households 2m apart - I could be wrong. What's your opinion about the two different guidelines? , Yes they were just saying that it is 6 in NI. Not sure what to think anymore, but I suppose we have to get back to some kind of normality. As long as people stick to the social distancing, it should be ok. Not sure why we have different guidelines though "Because they are politicians and they are doing what politicians do. They like to debate, disagree, wield some power. Off all the things they should discuss and agree on is this current crisis. All of them have sunk even lower in my estimates. Amateurs and simply too many of them. | |||
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"Who has it right? N. Ireland are permitting up to 6 people meeting outside. England 2. From what I gather, NI 6 is allowed from different households 2m apart - I could be wrong. What's your opinion about the two different guidelines? , Yes they were just saying that it is 6 in NI. Not sure what to think anymore, but I suppose we have to get back to some kind of normality. As long as people stick to the social distancing, it should be ok. Not sure why we have different guidelines though
Personally I think merging the two could be good. Two households up to 6? I'd like to know the rationale behind 6. I realise a number is a good idea as we'd end up with copious "mass gatherings".
They just seem to pluck numbers from the air, sometimes. I think it's about using our common sense and hope for the best
Two is a ridiculous number IMO when, if the virus is transmitted, that one will take it back to his household. Up to 6 allows people to see their grandchildren, people to see their elderly parents etc. A number also helps police to know when to contravene. " | |||
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"More than 30 people gathered on VE day street party where I live in Wales. Will see how many of them will die... " What a lovely man you are. | |||
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"I can imagine NI has chosen a higher number due to a better transmission rate. Not that I've checked, merely my logic at work. Whereas two people - I can't get my head around. Maybe it is a bit of what seb states: wielding power. " The Isle of Man is allowing outdoor gatherings of up to 10 people observing social distancing as from tomorrow The Island's health officials have said....... "Firstly, it is a number that our clinicians were comfortable with. Secondly, if someone from that gathering does subsequently develop COVID, ten is a manageable number for fast contact tracing" | |||
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"More than 30 people gathered on VE day street party where I live in Wales. Will see how many of them will die... " Probably no one because if no one has it they won't get it as no one knows who has it and until they start testing and isolating those that do and those they have been in contact with it won't go away  | |||
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"I can imagine NI has chosen a higher number due to a better transmission rate. Not that I've checked, merely my logic at work. Whereas two people - I can't get my head around. Maybe it is a bit of what seb states: wielding power. The Isle of Man is allowing outdoor gatherings of up to 10 people observing social distancing as from tomorrow The Island's health officials have said....... "Firstly, it is a number that our clinicians were comfortable with. Secondly, if someone from that gathering does subsequently develop COVID, ten is a manageable number for fast contact tracing"" So is it right to assume England, with contact tracing in its infancy, is only comfortable with two? Thank you for the rationale | |||
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"On 27 March the IOM closed its borders to everybody except key workers with prior approval and confirmatory paperwork. At that point in time even IOM residents were not allowed back to their homes if they hadn't made it back in time. Contact tracing was set up and similar lockdown measures to the rest of the UK. It has had a very positive result but is of course only practical to implement successfully on an Island. " PHE and DHSC are now playing the "it wasn't me" game of whose decision it was to stop the initial contact tracing in England and just test hospital admissions. This game suggests the govt recognises the consequences of stopping the tracing (such as copious care home deaths).  | |||
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"More than 30 people gathered on VE day street party where I live in Wales. Will see how many of them will die... " Let’s hope it’s none of them eh? | |||
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"On 27 March the IOM closed its borders to everybody except key workers with prior approval and confirmatory paperwork. At that point in time even IOM residents were not allowed back to their homes if they hadn't made it back in time. Contact tracing was set up and similar lockdown measures to the rest of the UK. It has had a very positive result but is of course only practical to implement successfully on an Island. PHE and DHSC are now playing the "it wasn't me" game of whose decision it was to stop the initial contact tracing in England and just test hospital admissions. This game suggests the govt recognises the consequences of stopping the tracing (such as copious care home deaths). "A population of 90000 compared to 65 million is a fair comparison. | |||
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"What's the difference meeting 6 people outdoors respecting social distancing than taking your daily walk in the park People are now going from careful to afraid to petrified We need to get over it and resume our lives albeit with a little more care and hygiene The arseholes that go into work coughing and sniffing because they either think they are indispensable or can't afford a day off need to be disciplined for gross misconduct and dismissed. Anyone caught sneezing in a public place without a tissue or mask should be fined £100 and shops should be authorised to do it Anyone found outside with a fever should be fined £10000 The new clampers could be the anti sneezers lol" One word: hay-fever... | |||
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"What's the difference meeting 6 people outdoors respecting social distancing than taking your daily walk in the park People are now going from careful to afraid to petrified We need to get over it and resume our lives albeit with a little more care and hygiene The arseholes that go into work coughing and sniffing because they either think they are indispensable or can't afford a day off need to be disciplined for gross misconduct and dismissed. Anyone caught sneezing in a public place without a tissue or mask should be fined £100 and shops should be authorised to do it Anyone found outside with a fever should be fined £10000 The new clampers could be the anti sneezers lol One word: hay-fever... " One word, tissue | |||
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"On 27 March the IOM closed its borders to everybody except key workers with prior approval and confirmatory paperwork. At that point in time even IOM residents were not allowed back to their homes if they hadn't made it back in time. Contact tracing was set up and similar lockdown measures to the rest of the UK. It has had a very positive result but is of course only practical to implement successfully on an Island. PHE and DHSC are now playing the "it wasn't me" game of whose decision it was to stop the initial contact tracing in England and just test hospital admissions. This game suggests the govt recognises the consequences of stopping the tracing (such as copious care home deaths).
A population of 90000 compared to 65 million is a fair comparison."Tragically, of the 24 deaths attributed to Coronavirus in the Isle of Man (population 83000) 18 of them have been the residents of one care home. | |||
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"On 27 March the IOM closed its borders to everybody except key workers with prior approval and confirmatory paperwork. At that point in time even IOM residents were not allowed back to their homes if they hadn't made it back in time. Contact tracing was set up and similar lockdown measures to the rest of the UK. It has had a very positive result but is of course only practical to implement successfully on an Island. PHE and DHSC are now playing the "it wasn't me" game of whose decision it was to stop the initial contact tracing in England and just test hospital admissions. This game suggests the govt recognises the consequences of stopping the tracing (such as copious care home deaths).
A population of 90000 compared to 65 million is a fair comparison."Your point? I'm merely highlighting we're at a different stage to IOM due to the removal of contact tracing (and having to reinstate it). This is helping me address my original queries in the OP. Perhaps you do not like the inclusion of the present political argument cos it eventually it will show either the govt (via DHSC/Hancock) or PHE in a poor light. | |||
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"On 27 March the IOM closed its borders to everybody except key workers with prior approval and confirmatory paperwork. At that point in time even IOM residents were not allowed back to their homes if they hadn't made it back in time. Contact tracing was set up and similar lockdown measures to the rest of the UK. It has had a very positive result but is of course only practical to implement successfully on an Island. PHE and DHSC are now playing the "it wasn't me" game of whose decision it was to stop the initial contact tracing in England and just test hospital admissions. This game suggests the govt recognises the consequences of stopping the tracing (such as copious care home deaths).
A population of 90000 compared to 65 million is a fair comparison.
Tragically, of the 24 deaths attributed to Coronavirus in the Isle of Man (population 83000) 18 of them have been the residents of one care home. "Indeed, and if it's like when I used to work there it's a very very elderly population | |||
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"What's the difference meeting 6 people outdoors respecting social distancing than taking your daily walk in the park People are now going from careful to afraid to petrified We need to get over it and resume our lives albeit with a little more care and hygiene The arseholes that go into work coughing and sniffing because they either think they are indispensable or can't afford a day off need to be disciplined for gross misconduct and dismissed. Anyone caught sneezing in a public place without a tissue or mask should be fined £100 and shops should be authorised to do it Anyone found outside with a fever should be fined £10000 The new clampers could be the anti sneezers lol One word: hay-fever... One word, tissue" One word: dust. Another one word: sun. More words  don't tar all sneezers with the covid-19 brush  | |||
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"Who has it right? N. Ireland are permitting up to 6 people meeting outside. England 2. From what I gather, NI 6 is allowed from different households 2m apart - I could be wrong. What's your opinion about the two different guidelines? " Wales opening up to Scottish announcement on Thuursday just think all the provinces are trying to prove that they are running there areas silly political games | |||
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"Who has it right? N. Ireland are permitting up to 6 people meeting outside. England 2. From what I gather, NI 6 is allowed from different households 2m apart - I could be wrong. What's your opinion about the two different guidelines? Wales opening up to Scottish announcement on Thuursday just think all the provinces are trying to prove that they are running there areas silly political games" For the public we'd probably prefer a unified approach but I can see the benefits of regional differences according to transmission rate and stage of crisis. | |||
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"You can be in a queue of way more than 6 outside a supermarket. If they all maintain social distancing what difference does it make? " That's my thinking | |||
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"What's the difference meeting 6 people outdoors respecting social distancing than taking your daily walk in the park People are now going from careful to afraid to petrified We need to get over it and resume our lives albeit with a little more care and hygiene The arseholes that go into work coughing and sniffing because they either think they are indispensable or can't afford a day off need to be disciplined for gross misconduct and dismissed. Anyone caught sneezing in a public place without a tissue or mask should be fined £100 and shops should be authorised to do it Anyone found outside with a fever should be fined £10000 The new clampers could be the anti sneezers lol One word: hay-fever... One word, tissue One word: dust. Another one word: sun. More words don't tar all sneezers with the covid-19 brush "I'm not saying don't sneeze but using a tissue isn't asking for much is it ? It's not like they are expensive. A hand isn't adequate. I remember my father wouldn't leave the house without a hanky inbhow pocket Btw your large boobs and jiggly ass sound wonderful  | |||
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"What's the difference meeting 6 people outdoors respecting social distancing than taking your daily walk in the park People are now going from careful to afraid to petrified We need to get over it and resume our lives albeit with a little more care and hygiene The arseholes that go into work coughing and sniffing because they either think they are indispensable or can't afford a day off need to be disciplined for gross misconduct and dismissed. Anyone caught sneezing in a public place without a tissue or mask should be fined £100 and shops should be authorised to do it Anyone found outside with a fever should be fined £10000 The new clampers could be the anti sneezers lol One word: hay-fever... One word, tissue One word: dust. Another one word: sun. More words don't tar all sneezers with the covid-19 brush
I'm not saying don't sneeze but using a tissue isn't asking for much is it ? It's not like they are expensive. A hand isn't adequate.
I remember my father wouldn't leave the house without a hanky inbhow pocket
Btw your large boobs and jiggly ass sound wonderful "Don't you start deflecting. Anyway I'm not going to carry a tissue around just because it offends you unless I need one cos I've caught a virus . Though if I caught a virus I'd stay home | |||
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"What's the difference meeting 6 people outdoors respecting social distancing than taking your daily walk in the park People are now going from careful to afraid to petrified We need to get over it and resume our lives albeit with a little more care and hygiene The arseholes that go into work coughing and sniffing because they either think they are indispensable or can't afford a day off need to be disciplined for gross misconduct and dismissed. Anyone caught sneezing in a public place without a tissue or mask should be fined £100 and shops should be authorised to do it Anyone found outside with a fever should be fined £10000 The new clampers could be the anti sneezers lol One word: hay-fever... One word, tissue One word: dust. Another one word: sun. More words don't tar all sneezers with the covid-19 brush
I'm not saying don't sneeze but using a tissue isn't asking for much is it ? It's not like they are expensive. A hand isn't adequate.
I remember my father wouldn't leave the house without a hanky inbhow pocket
Btw your large boobs and jiggly ass sound wonderful
Don't you start deflecting. Anyway I'm not going to carry a tissue around just because it offends you unless I need one cos I've caught a virus . Though if I caught a virus I'd stay home "But you're infectious before you realise and a hay fever sneeze could spread any virus. Anyway something's going to need to be done and we need to act before winter Go on, show your boobies and I'll let you off | |||
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"What's the difference meeting 6 people outdoors respecting social distancing than taking your daily walk in the park People are now going from careful to afraid to petrified We need to get over it and resume our lives albeit with a little more care and hygiene The arseholes that go into work coughing and sniffing because they either think they are indispensable or can't afford a day off need to be disciplined for gross misconduct and dismissed. Anyone caught sneezing in a public place without a tissue or mask should be fined £100 and shops should be authorised to do it Anyone found outside with a fever should be fined £10000 The new clampers could be the anti sneezers lol One word: hay-fever... One word, tissue One word: dust. Another one word: sun. More words don't tar all sneezers with the covid-19 brush
I'm not saying don't sneeze but using a tissue isn't asking for much is it ? It's not like they are expensive. A hand isn't adequate.
I remember my father wouldn't leave the house without a hanky inbhow pocket
Btw your large boobs and jiggly ass sound wonderful
Don't you start deflecting. Anyway I'm not going to carry a tissue around just because it offends you unless I need one cos I've caught a virus . Though if I caught a virus I'd stay home
But you're infectious before you realise and a hay fever sneeze could spread any virus. Anyway something's going to need to be done and we need to act before winter
Go on, show your boobies and I'll let you off "I know about all about "asymptomatic" - the prefix simply means without. The worst "a" would be "atension" | |||
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"What's the difference meeting 6 people outdoors respecting social distancing than taking your daily walk in the park People are now going from careful to afraid to petrified We need to get over it and resume our lives albeit with a little more care and hygiene The arseholes that go into work coughing and sniffing because they either think they are indispensable or can't afford a day off need to be disciplined for gross misconduct and dismissed. Anyone caught sneezing in a public place without a tissue or mask should be fined £100 and shops should be authorised to do it Anyone found outside with a fever should be fined £10000 The new clampers could be the anti sneezers lol One word: hay-fever... One word, tissue One word: dust. Another one word: sun. More words don't tar all sneezers with the covid-19 brush
I'm not saying don't sneeze but using a tissue isn't asking for much is it ? It's not like they are expensive. A hand isn't adequate.
I remember my father wouldn't leave the house without a hanky inbhow pocket
Btw your large boobs and jiggly ass sound wonderful
Don't you start deflecting. Anyway I'm not going to carry a tissue around just because it offends you unless I need one cos I've caught a virus . Though if I caught a virus I'd stay home
But you're infectious before you realise and a hay fever sneeze could spread any virus. Anyway something's going to need to be done and we need to act before winter
Go on, show your boobies and I'll let you off
I know about all about "asymptomatic" - the prefix simply means without. The worst "a" would be "atension" "I was thinking presymptomatic  | |||
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"What's the difference meeting 6 people outdoors respecting social distancing than taking your daily walk in the park People are now going from careful to afraid to petrified We need to get over it and resume our lives albeit with a little more care and hygiene The arseholes that go into work coughing and sniffing because they either think they are indispensable or can't afford a day off need to be disciplined for gross misconduct and dismissed. Anyone caught sneezing in a public place without a tissue or mask should be fined £100 and shops should be authorised to do it Anyone found outside with a fever should be fined £10000 The new clampers could be the anti sneezers lol One word: hay-fever... One word, tissue" 2 words get tested | |||
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"What's the difference meeting 6 people outdoors respecting social distancing than taking your daily walk in the park People are now going from careful to afraid to petrified We need to get over it and resume our lives albeit with a little more care and hygiene The arseholes that go into work coughing and sniffing because they either think they are indispensable or can't afford a day off need to be disciplined for gross misconduct and dismissed. Anyone caught sneezing in a public place without a tissue or mask should be fined £100 and shops should be authorised to do it Anyone found outside with a fever should be fined £10000 The new clampers could be the anti sneezers lol One word: hay-fever... One word, tissue One word: dust. Another one word: sun. More words don't tar all sneezers with the covid-19 brush
I'm not saying don't sneeze but using a tissue isn't asking for much is it ? It's not like they are expensive. A hand isn't adequate.
I remember my father wouldn't leave the house without a hanky inbhow pocket
Btw your large boobs and jiggly ass sound wonderful
Don't you start deflecting. Anyway I'm not going to carry a tissue around just because it offends you unless I need one cos I've caught a virus . Though if I caught a virus I'd stay home
But you're infectious before you realise and a hay fever sneeze could spread any virus. Anyway something's going to need to be done and we need to act before winter
Go on, show your boobies and I'll let you off
I know about all about "asymptomatic" - the prefix simply means without. The worst "a" would be "atension"
I was thinking presymptomatic "I thought of that but I wouldn't have been able to make my joke. | |||
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"What's the difference meeting 6 people outdoors respecting social distancing than taking your daily walk in the park People are now going from careful to afraid to petrified We need to get over it and resume our lives albeit with a little more care and hygiene The arseholes that go into work coughing and sniffing because they either think they are indispensable or can't afford a day off need to be disciplined for gross misconduct and dismissed. Anyone caught sneezing in a public place without a tissue or mask should be fined £100 and shops should be authorised to do it Anyone found outside with a fever should be fined £10000 The new clampers could be the anti sneezers lol One word: hay-fever... One word, tissue 2 words get tested " Only if you have the symptoms. | |||
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"What's the difference meeting 6 people outdoors respecting social distancing than taking your daily walk in the park People are now going from careful to afraid to petrified We need to get over it and resume our lives albeit with a little more care and hygiene The arseholes that go into work coughing and sniffing because they either think they are indispensable or can't afford a day off need to be disciplined for gross misconduct and dismissed. Anyone caught sneezing in a public place without a tissue or mask should be fined £100 and shops should be authorised to do it Anyone found outside with a fever should be fined £10000 The new clampers could be the anti sneezers lol One word: hay-fever... One word, tissue One word: dust. Another one word: sun. More words don't tar all sneezers with the covid-19 brush
I'm not saying don't sneeze but using a tissue isn't asking for much is it ? It's not like they are expensive. A hand isn't adequate.
I remember my father wouldn't leave the house without a hanky inbhow pocket
Btw your large boobs and jiggly ass sound wonderful "you said people at work with a sniffle or cough should be sacked , i think cupcake was alluding to the fact that both can be caused by allergies and not covid ... could you imagine calling into a potentially already over stretched workplace to say sorry cant come in my hayfever has given me a tickly throat , let alone the people that would then be restricted to ssp over allergies i agree that we need to find a way to get back to normal but kind of hope your suggestion was tongue in cheek | |||
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"You can be in a queue of way more than 6 outside a supermarket. If they all maintain social distancing what difference does it make? " i wonder if its partly to do with the psychology of it its highly unlikely you will have much if any at all interaction with the 6 people in the queue but 6 of your friends hanging out in the park, laughing and joking and starting to feel like things are back to normal then you subconsciously start to get complacent? just a thought | |||
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"What's the difference meeting 6 people outdoors respecting social distancing than taking your daily walk in the park People are now going from careful to afraid to petrified We need to get over it and resume our lives albeit with a little more care and hygiene The arseholes that go into work coughing and sniffing because they either think they are indispensable or can't afford a day off need to be disciplined for gross misconduct and dismissed. Anyone caught sneezing in a public place without a tissue or mask should be fined £100 and shops should be authorised to do it Anyone found outside with a fever should be fined £10000 The new clampers could be the anti sneezers lol One word: hay-fever... One word, tissue One word: dust. Another one word: sun. More words don't tar all sneezers with the covid-19 brush
I'm not saying don't sneeze but using a tissue isn't asking for much is it ? It's not like they are expensive. A hand isn't adequate.
I remember my father wouldn't leave the house without a hanky inbhow pocket
Btw your large boobs and jiggly ass sound wonderful
you said people at work with a sniffle or cough should be sacked , i think cupcake was alluding to the fact that both can be caused by allergies and not covid ... could you imagine calling into a potentially already over stretched workplace to say sorry cant come in my hayfever has given me a tickly throat , let alone the people that would then be restricted to ssp over allergies
i agree that we need to find a way to get back to normal but kind of hope your suggestion was tongue in cheek "Of course it was over exaggerating, but I can recall many times people came in to work and ended up having to go home, stories of burning up but dragging themselves in to work because the company needs them. That's not hay fever and it has to stop. Of course we all have the people that call in sick if have a hangover What would you suggest to ensure the spread is limited next winter ? | |||
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"Who has it right? N. Ireland are permitting up to 6 people meeting outside. England 2. From what I gather, NI 6 is allowed from different households 2m apart - I could be wrong. What's your opinion about the two different guidelines? " I think In the open air 3 m apart Unlimited I think inside 2 people 4 m apart for 2 hrs windows open 2 people 2 m apart half hr I think 2 people 32.3452 cm apart for 23.65 seconds travelling at 2m per second Its complex not a soundbite I think most numbers and rules are sadly arbitrary | |||
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"What's the difference meeting 6 people outdoors respecting social distancing than taking your daily walk in the park People are now going from careful to afraid to petrified We need to get over it and resume our lives albeit with a little more care and hygiene The arseholes that go into work coughing and sniffing because they either think they are indispensable or can't afford a day off need to be disciplined for gross misconduct and dismissed. Anyone caught sneezing in a public place without a tissue or mask should be fined £100 and shops should be authorised to do it Anyone found outside with a fever should be fined £10000 The new clampers could be the anti sneezers lol One word: hay-fever... One word, tissue One word: dust. Another one word: sun. More words don't tar all sneezers with the covid-19 brush
I'm not saying don't sneeze but using a tissue isn't asking for much is it ? It's not like they are expensive. A hand isn't adequate.
I remember my father wouldn't leave the house without a hanky inbhow pocket
Btw your large boobs and jiggly ass sound wonderful
you said people at work with a sniffle or cough should be sacked , i think cupcake was alluding to the fact that both can be caused by allergies and not covid ... could you imagine calling into a potentially already over stretched workplace to say sorry cant come in my hayfever has given me a tickly throat , let alone the people that would then be restricted to ssp over allergies
i agree that we need to find a way to get back to normal but kind of hope your suggestion was tongue in cheek
Of course it was over exaggerating, but I can recall many times people came in to work and ended up having to go home, stories of burning up but dragging themselves in to work because the company needs them. That's not hay fever and it has to stop.
Of course we all have the people that call in sick if have a hangover
What would you suggest to ensure the spread is limited next winter ?"Woman at my work was sick as a dog last winter but kept working. She infected over half of the office staff, some were off for ages. Ridiculous! Bound to be people going to work with covid symptoms. | |||
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"You can be in a queue of way more than 6 outside a supermarket. If they all maintain social distancing what difference does it make? " Exactly this all we see is this is a control issue just to see how compliant we will all be so that we all become robots ? | |||
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