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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I think its fantastic that the gov has put in place the furlough scheme. But I also understand its going to cost all of us in the end.

I have 2 jobs. One self employed. The other paye. I lost my self employed work, and have been kept on at my employed work.

68% of the company i work for has been put on furlough, and the company has topped up the 80% gov pay so that they get 100% pay.

I do feel a little hard done by (but deep down i know i shouldnt as im lucky to have a job)....as now, I have to pick up the work that my colleagues on furlough should be doing. So my workload has doubled. Throughput had halved because of the amount of customers I have to deal with are out of office so its difficult to get things done. Feel like the weight of the company is on the 33% of staff shoulders still in work. And then at the end of all this, ill have to help pay the gov back for the furlough scheme through taxes.

I think this is just a bit of a monday morning moan really....and again...im lucky to have a job....but when i look at it on paper, it does seem a bit unfair

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve read a lot of people complaining that they are doing the work of 2/3 people, double the workload etc. And in real life I’ve heard the same. One guy I know said he was doing the work of 4 people because he is working and his 3 colleagues are on furlough.

Surely though this is all nonsense. If you work a 8 hour day then u do the work u are able to within those 8 hours. That’s not the work of anymore than one person.

To all those still in employment whilst their colleagues are furloughed yet moaning they would rather be furloughed I would say this ....

Be careful what you wish for

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

It is unfair. This whole situation is unfair in many ways. It's nobody's fault though.

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By *oved Up 2Couple
over a year ago

nottingham

I think we're all suffering with the blues right now.

Is the reason for only some of your colleagues working down to social distancing?

Luckily I am working from home and my job has gone from part to fulltime which is easing financial pressure.

I think being busy right now helps. I guess what I'm saying is I'd rather be in my or your shoes right now rather than furlough

Take care x

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

If the work is getting done on a reduced staffing level, the companies may question how many staff they really need.

Nobody should be having to work harder.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You should look at it the other way round. They're lucky to have you working for them. Turn the tables...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’ve read a lot of people complaining that they are doing the work of 2/3 people, double the workload etc. And in real life I’ve heard the same. One guy I know said he was doing the work of 4 people because he is working and his 3 colleagues are on furlough.

Surely though this is all nonsense. If you work a 8 hour day then u do the work u are able to within those 8 hours. That’s not the work of anymore than one person.

"

I was thinking the exact same thing when I read the "I do the work of 3 people" now unless their now doing a 24 hour day but being paid for 8

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If the work is getting done on a reduced staffing level, the companies may question how many staff they really need.

Nobody should be having to work harder.

Cal"

I think it highlights their normal working load was lite to start with

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If the work is getting done on a reduced staffing level, the companies may question how many staff they really need.

Nobody should be having to work harder.

Cal"

Remember- Slack off. Save jobs (think about it for a minute)

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By *aucy sausageMan
over a year ago

Gentleshaw

I feel very fortunate to be in work.. but have just worked 45 of the last 48 days testing the Job Retention Scheme and SEISS Systems (I freelance to HMRC)

These type of changes normally take 6-9 months to design/build and test.. turned round in 24 days and 46 days respectively whilst still getting tax year changes out of the door in early April with 20% of staff being off sick and all done remotely as the office was closed

I think all those in work are the fortunate ones, even if workloads on those have increased

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think its fantastic that the gov has put in place the furlough scheme. But I also understand its going to cost all of us in the end.

I have 2 jobs. One self employed. The other paye. I lost my self employed work, and have been kept on at my employed work.

68% of the company i work for has been put on furlough, and the company has topped up the 80% gov pay so that they get 100% pay.

I do feel a little hard done by (but deep down i know i shouldnt as im lucky to have a job)....as now, I have to pick up the work that my colleagues on furlough should be doing. So my workload has doubled. Throughput had halved because of the amount of customers I have to deal with are out of office so its difficult to get things done. Feel like the weight of the company is on the 33% of staff shoulders still in work. And then at the end of all this, ill have to help pay the gov back for the furlough scheme through taxes.

I think this is just a bit of a monday morning moan really....and again...im lucky to have a job....but when i look at it on paper, it does seem a bit unfair "

Why have they been furloughed if the work is still there for them??

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

When I was working there were made redundancies over a period not about six years. Quite a few people took on extra work, working weekends, evenings, long days etc because there was a culture encouraged by management and govt that we were "lucky to have a job". Eventually I left for many reasons one of which was I couldn't stand the manipulation of people that made them grateful for being treated badly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think its fantastic that the gov has put in place the furlough scheme. But I also understand its going to cost all of us in the end.

I have 2 jobs. One self employed. The other paye. I lost my self employed work, and have been kept on at my employed work.

68% of the company i work for has been put on furlough, and the company has topped up the 80% gov pay so that they get 100% pay.

I do feel a little hard done by (but deep down i know i shouldnt as im lucky to have a job)....as now, I have to pick up the work that my colleagues on furlough should be doing. So my workload has doubled. Throughput had halved because of the amount of customers I have to deal with are out of office so its difficult to get things done. Feel like the weight of the company is on the 33% of staff shoulders still in work. And then at the end of all this, ill have to help pay the gov back for the furlough scheme through taxes.

I think this is just a bit of a monday morning moan really....and again...im lucky to have a job....but when i look at it on paper, it does seem a bit unfair

Why have they been furloughed if the work is still there for them?? "

I think it's just a question of sucking it all up and then one day have a bloody great big party if the company survives.

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull


"I think its fantastic that the gov has put in place the furlough scheme. But I also understand its going to cost all of us in the end.

I have 2 jobs. One self employed. The other paye. I lost my self employed work, and have been kept on at my employed work.

68% of the company i work for has been put on furlough, and the company has topped up the 80% gov pay so that they get 100% pay.

I do feel a little hard done by (but deep down i know i shouldnt as im lucky to have a job)....as now, I have to pick up the work that my colleagues on furlough should be doing. So my workload has doubled. Throughput had halved because of the amount of customers I have to deal with are out of office so its difficult to get things done. Feel like the weight of the company is on the 33% of staff shoulders still in work. And then at the end of all this, ill have to help pay the gov back for the furlough scheme through taxes.

I think this is just a bit of a monday morning moan really....and again...im lucky to have a job....but when i look at it on paper, it does seem a bit unfair "

Will you think it unfair if the company keep you on and make you full time and lay off those that it's proven aren't really needed if a third of the company can currently do the work of everyone previously employed ?

Even if they keep half or two thirds on a percentage of the "lucky" furloughed people might not be so lucky.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think its fantastic that the gov has put in place the furlough scheme. But I also understand its going to cost all of us in the end.

I have 2 jobs. One self employed. The other paye. I lost my self employed work, and have been kept on at my employed work.

68% of the company i work for has been put on furlough, and the company has topped up the 80% gov pay so that they get 100% pay.

I do feel a little hard done by (but deep down i know i shouldnt as im lucky to have a job)....as now, I have to pick up the work that my colleagues on furlough should be doing. So my workload has doubled. Throughput had halved because of the amount of customers I have to deal with are out of office so its difficult to get things done. Feel like the weight of the company is on the 33% of staff shoulders still in work. And then at the end of all this, ill have to help pay the gov back for the furlough scheme through taxes.

I think this is just a bit of a monday morning moan really....and again...im lucky to have a job....but when i look at it on paper, it does seem a bit unfair

Why have they been furloughed if the work is still there for them?? "

Because the amount of work isn’t there anymore. This is the same for most companies. The work is down, for example by two thirds therefore they only need 1 third of the workforce. I wouldn’t be moaning if I was part of the third kept on, they are the lucky ones not other way round. When the furlough scheme ends, companies will cull staff they no longer need. In my mind makes sense that the company have furloughed the employees not valued as highly as the ones kept on. Therefore be thankful that you hopefully will still have a job moving forward as many of your colleagues currently sat at home won’t

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think its fantastic that the gov has put in place the furlough scheme. But I also understand its going to cost all of us in the end.

I have 2 jobs. One self employed. The other paye. I lost my self employed work, and have been kept on at my employed work.

68% of the company i work for has been put on furlough, and the company has topped up the 80% gov pay so that they get 100% pay.

I do feel a little hard done by (but deep down i know i shouldnt as im lucky to have a job)....as now, I have to pick up the work that my colleagues on furlough should be doing. So my workload has doubled. Throughput had halved because of the amount of customers I have to deal with are out of office so its difficult to get things done. Feel like the weight of the company is on the 33% of staff shoulders still in work. And then at the end of all this, ill have to help pay the gov back for the furlough scheme through taxes.

I think this is just a bit of a monday morning moan really....and again...im lucky to have a job....but when i look at it on paper, it does seem a bit unfair

Why have they been furloughed if the work is still there for them??

I think it's just a question of sucking it all up and then one day have a bloody great big party if the company survives."

I thought the whole point of furloughing staff was if there was no work there for them, to protect their jobs until the ecobomy reopens and it returns to business as usual. If there's still the same amount of work shouldn't they be keeping the same level of staff?? Isn't it an abuse of the furlough scheme to furlough staff who are effectively still required, just to dump their work on others??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think its fantastic that the gov has put in place the furlough scheme. But I also understand its going to cost all of us in the end.

I have 2 jobs. One self employed. The other paye. I lost my self employed work, and have been kept on at my employed work.

68% of the company i work for has been put on furlough, and the company has topped up the 80% gov pay so that they get 100% pay.

I do feel a little hard done by (but deep down i know i shouldnt as im lucky to have a job)....as now, I have to pick up the work that my colleagues on furlough should be doing. So my workload has doubled. Throughput had halved because of the amount of customers I have to deal with are out of office so its difficult to get things done. Feel like the weight of the company is on the 33% of staff shoulders still in work. And then at the end of all this, ill have to help pay the gov back for the furlough scheme through taxes.

I think this is just a bit of a monday morning moan really....and again...im lucky to have a job....but when i look at it on paper, it does seem a bit unfair

Why have they been furloughed if the work is still there for them??

Because the amount of work isn’t there anymore. This is the same for most companies. The work is down, for example by two thirds therefore they only need 1 third of the workforce. I wouldn’t be moaning if I was part of the third kept on, they are the lucky ones not other way round. When the furlough scheme ends, companies will cull staff they no longer need. In my mind makes sense that the company have furloughed the employees not valued as highly as the ones kept on. Therefore be thankful that you hopefully will still have a job moving forward as many of your colleagues currently sat at home won’t "

The OP states they are now also doing the work of the furloughed colleagues which implys the work IS still there, for at least some of them.

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By *Wman15Man
over a year ago

Stansted


"I feel very fortunate to be in work.. but have just worked 45 of the last 48 days testing the Job Retention Scheme and SEISS Systems (I freelance to HMRC)

These type of changes normally take 6-9 months to design/build and test.. turned round in 24 days and 46 days respectively whilst still getting tax year changes out of the door in early April with 20% of staff being off sick and all done remotely as the office was closed

I think all those in work are the fortunate ones, even if workloads on those have increased "

Good going - I don't think a lot of people appreciate the vast amount of work required behind the scene to get the various schemes ready for the public

And HMRC still managed to get my 19/20 tax refund to me within 2 weeks of me submitting my return

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I’ve read a lot of people complaining that they are doing the work of 2/3 people, double the workload etc. And in real life I’ve heard the same. One guy I know said he was doing the work of 4 people because he is working and his 3 colleagues are on furlough.

Surely though this is all nonsense. If you work a 8 hour day then u do the work u are able to within those 8 hours. That’s not the work of anymore than one person.

I was thinking the exact same thing when I read the "I do the work of 3 people" now unless their now doing a 24 hour day but being paid for 8 "

Im being pressured by my manager to get the work completed, he is getting pressured by his manager, he is getting pressured by the board....because of the risk of the company going under and people being made redundant, we are all being forced to cut corners and not robustly complete the work like we should.

So even though there are more balls in the air to juggle, we are still expected to process everything at the same rate as if 3 people were doing the work.

Completely agree with the few comments about 'companies re adjusting their workforce due to being able to manage without those on furlough', but the reality is...im doing 10 hours a day minimum, being paid for 7.5. And feel like if I dont, then i will be put on furlough and potentially not have a job to come back to.

Agree that its nobody's fault. Its just nice to vent sometimes

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think its fantastic that the gov has put in place the furlough scheme. But I also understand its going to cost all of us in the end.

I have 2 jobs. One self employed. The other paye. I lost my self employed work, and have been kept on at my employed work.

68% of the company i work for has been put on furlough, and the company has topped up the 80% gov pay so that they get 100% pay.

I do feel a little hard done by (but deep down i know i shouldnt as im lucky to have a job)....as now, I have to pick up the work that my colleagues on furlough should be doing. So my workload has doubled. Throughput had halved because of the amount of customers I have to deal with are out of office so its difficult to get things done. Feel like the weight of the company is on the 33% of staff shoulders still in work. And then at the end of all this, ill have to help pay the gov back for the furlough scheme through taxes.

I think this is just a bit of a monday morning moan really....and again...im lucky to have a job....but when i look at it on paper, it does seem a bit unfair

Why have they been furloughed if the work is still there for them??

Because the amount of work isn’t there anymore. This is the same for most companies. The work is down, for example by two thirds therefore they only need 1 third of the workforce. I wouldn’t be moaning if I was part of the third kept on, they are the lucky ones not other way round. When the furlough scheme ends, companies will cull staff they no longer need. In my mind makes sense that the company have furloughed the employees not valued as highly as the ones kept on. Therefore be thankful that you hopefully will still have a job moving forward as many of your colleagues currently sat at home won’t "

The work we do doesent pay dividends for up to 2 years after its done. The company had 0 income at the moment. So is using the scheme as a way to immediately cut costs, but are still trying to progress things so that in 2 years time income won't be affected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve worked all the way through this , so many work mates have stayed at home , too scared to work or just to lazy , we are working 6 sometimes 7 days per week , but too be fair have loved it , we are all working as a team now with smaller numbers and the ones who don’t come too work ain’t missed at all , yet they will be moaning if they ever loose there jobs

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"I’ve worked all the way through this , so many work mates have stayed at home , too scared to work or just to lazy , we are working 6 sometimes 7 days per week , but too be fair have loved it , we are all working as a team now with smaller numbers and the ones who don’t come too work ain’t missed at all , yet they will be moaning if they ever loose there jobs "

Do your colleagues get a choice?

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By *s.KerryTV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

What I don't understand is the number of people saying they are doing extra hours/additional work whilst their colleagues are on furlough. This is down to the companies because if the work is available those members of staff should not have been furloughed in the first place

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I’ve read a lot of people complaining that they are doing the work of 2/3 people, double the workload etc. And in real life I’ve heard the same. One guy I know said he was doing the work of 4 people because he is working and his 3 colleagues are on furlough.

Surely though this is all nonsense. If you work a 8 hour day then u do the work u are able to within those 8 hours. That’s not the work of anymore than one person.

I was thinking the exact same thing when I read the "I do the work of 3 people" now unless their now doing a 24 hour day but being paid for 8

Im being pressured by my manager to get the work completed, he is getting pressured by his manager, he is getting pressured by the board....because of the risk of the company going under and people being made redundant, we are all being forced to cut corners and not robustly complete the work like we should.

So even though there are more balls in the air to juggle, we are still expected to process everything at the same rate as if 3 people were doing the work.

Completely agree with the few comments about 'companies re adjusting their workforce due to being able to manage without those on furlough', but the reality is...im doing 10 hours a day minimum, being paid for 7.5. And feel like if I dont, then i will be put on furlough and potentially not have a job to come back to.

Agree that its nobody's fault. Its just nice to vent sometimes "

The pressure should be being applied upwards not down. I suspect there are more workers than managers and board members. Push back collectively. You're in a job for the benefit of all of you, not just you. Without your input none of it would work. I'm not suggesting militant action just a change in thinking on your part. Stop being grateful to your bosses and realise that they should be grateful to you too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’ve read a lot of people complaining that they are doing the work of 2/3 people, double the workload etc. And in real life I’ve heard the same. One guy I know said he was doing the work of 4 people because he is working and his 3 colleagues are on furlough.

Surely though this is all nonsense. If you work a 8 hour day then u do the work u are able to within those 8 hours. That’s not the work of anymore than one person.

To all those still in employment whilst their colleagues are furloughed yet moaning they would rather be furloughed I would say this ....

Be careful what you wish for "

this doesn't take into account the people that are not working an 8 hour day, they are now sat at their laptop at home for 12-14 hour days not taking breaks, eating at the screen because the work and deadlines still exists with less bodies to get through it now, or because the capabilities of either staff or systems from home slows everything down

i think its clear the op is thankful to still have a job and isnt wishing to be on furlough instead

but its also clear to most that no matter what group you ended up in , furloughed with a wage cut and worries of redundancy, front line in a role that puts you at high risk, working from home and doing double (with the extra tax coming soon for something you never received) ... there are both crap elements and elements to be thankful for most of us ... its normal to have a day where you wake up and want a wee gripe and a moan , just have to appreciate afterwards that there isn't anyone to blame, the other groups didn't choose their situation either and just face a different struggle, it just is what it is and we gotta then get on with whatever the day throws at us

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

A lot of frontline workers in the NHS operate like this all the time! When I was a midwife, we couldn't give the high level of care we wanted to because we were looking after 2, sometimes 3 women in labour, rather than giving 1 to 1 care. This was down to the highly publicised shortage of midwives.

We would work a 14 long day or 12 hour long night and were run ragged. We were literally doing the job of 2 or 3 people. In the end, I simply refused to care for more than one labouring woman. I didn't feel like a safe practitioner and I wasn't offering the best care possible to the family at such an important life changing moment. I kept doing this and others did the same, so that management had to source bank staff and pay them more. It led to jobs being advertised as they couldn't afford to pay bank staff. The shortage meant that getting staff was difficult but as a sought after hospital, we filled the posts.

What you are describing doesn't seem right. If staff are furloughed it's because the work isn't there for them and those kept on are taking up what's left. If you feel that your employer is taking the piss, just do your normal workload and let the rest slide. You are not helping your colleagues by doing extra work and you're employer will think he doesn't need the other staff and make you continue as you are.

On a side note, there are many sole trader folk and sole trader partnerships who have furloughed staff and not had an support themselves. These are people who don't have the protection of being a limited company and not taken dividends. The 80% SEISS is only just being rolled out now, so they have struggled for the last couple of months while their employees get paid. Mad state of affairs!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What I don't understand is the number of people saying they are doing extra hours/additional work whilst their colleagues are on furlough. This is down to the companies because if the work is available those members of staff should not have been furloughed in the first place "

i agree this was my understanding of the system, furlough where there is no work

but i think many companies have taken it as furlough where we cannot pay ... so if it takes a similar workload to produce 50 units as it does 100 (due to procurement effort and set up etc rather than just build) companies that have dropped to the 50 units have gotten rid of half the staff despite the effort required being no where near half

the situation ism in isnt even furlough related, our systems are just much slower from home so everything takes longer and most of my team were junior and quite new so we were already in a training phase which takes longer than just doing and then when you convert that to remotely becomes harder again

people are often picking up extra because they have colleagues at home trying to home school at the same time so their productivity is down, i don't see anything wrong with this level of loyalty to your team but again it brings more work onto your own desk

while home working is still new it will continue to throw up challenges for people

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

cheshire

Many people pay tax and don't receive many of the available benefits, child allowance, disability allowance, tax credits etc. It's the system we have, there is no opting out.

Benefits are there to help when times are tough and now is now seems appropriate to support people

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

We were saying last night that we wondered how long it would be before furloughed staff were made out to be somehow in the wrong. As far as I'm aware they have no choice in the matter

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We were saying last night that we wondered how long it would be before furloughed staff were made out to be somehow in the wrong. As far as I'm aware they have no choice in the matter"

i dont think people having a gripe about their own situation mean that the furloughed people are in the wrong , its just been a long lockdown for everyone and people are starting to get fed up and let off steam about their frustrations

likewise i dont think people furloughed would blame the people still working but might envy them at the moment

its just a s**t situation all round

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"We were saying last night that we wondered how long it would be before furloughed staff were made out to be somehow in the wrong. As far as I'm aware they have no choice in the matter

i dont think people having a gripe about their own situation mean that the furloughed people are in the wrong , its just been a long lockdown for everyone and people are starting to get fed up and let off steam about their frustrations

likewise i dont think people furloughed would blame the people still working but might envy them at the moment

its just a s**t situation all round

"

Yes I agree but give it another month. We're constantly manipulated into blaming the people who have very little influence over their own circumstances and the current situation is no different. Teachers are in the firing line at the moment, there was an attempt to turn the lack of PPE back on the nurses and doctors. How long before furloughed people are lazy, work shy and it's not fair that we all have to pay more tax due to them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What I don't understand is the number of people saying they are doing extra hours/additional work whilst their colleagues are on furlough. This is down to the companies because if the work is available those members of staff should not have been furloughed in the first place "

Exactly my thinking

Surely it's an abuse of the furlough scheme if the work is available, employees should be in work being paid 100% by the employer, not at home being paid 80% by the government whilst colleagues manage an increased workload. Totally defeats the point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is in no way a dig at furloughed employees btw

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By *uckfunCouple
over a year ago

North Coast

We’re both nursing so both working.

Have kids too so one works and the other is off at any time

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

when u look at it on paper it does seem a bit unfair.but belive me being on furlough has its down side to.im on 80% no top up to 100% my bills all still need paying so now juggling who get paid fully and who dont so already starting to build debt up wich is something ive never had.and talking to others on furlough we all have the same fear that either our companys aint gona be there at the end of this or there gona be a lot of people getting laid off when furlough ends.so yea unfair for those still working but the silver lining is if your still working there is lot better chance you will still have a job after this.seings and roundabouts people

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

swings and rondabouts that should of said

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By *amagustaMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

Furloughed people enjoy 80% getting paid for doing nothing and enjoying their life.

Everybody will pay their bill with VAT increase up to 25% soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am still working and like a few people have mentioned I am working longer and harder than ever. But I do think I am fortunate as I am able to work from home and I still have a job.

I do worry that a lot of people on furlough will not be able to go back to their roles as furlough changes where employers have to start making difficult decisions. Unfortunately I think many companies will not be able to keep everyone on and we will see significant job losses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m working and never been busier covering the work of several people who have been Out on furlough

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"Furloughed people enjoy 80% getting paid for doing nothing and enjoying their life.

Everybody will pay their bill with VAT increase up to 25% soon.

"

absolute rubbish i dont know one person on furlough eho is happy to be at home on 80% our bills aint stopped or dropped 20% so now trying to juggle our bills and like myself most i know would rather be working instead of being sat at home twiddling our thumbs.cant talk for whole country but peeps i know would rather be back in there jobs because the longer this carrys on the more likley it is that job loses are coming

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By *s.KerryTV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool


"Furloughed people enjoy 80% getting paid for doing nothing and enjoying their life.

Everybody will pay their bill with VAT increase up to 25% soon.

"

Sour grapes yet again from someone making an assumption!

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By *s.KerryTV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool


"I’m working and never been busier covering the work of several people who have been Out on furlough "

Again if the work is there members of staff should not have been furloughed. It's management you want to take this up with not your fellow employees

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By *razytimesinloveCouple
over a year ago

SW Scotland

Yep same boat here, a lot of colleagues furloughed due to health risk reasons and we’ve been even busier with the warm weather too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Furloughed people enjoy 80% getting paid for doing nothing and enjoying their life.

Everybody will pay their bill with VAT increase up to 25% soon.

absolute rubbish i dont know one person on furlough eho is happy to be at home on 80% our bills aint stopped or dropped 20% so now trying to juggle our bills and like myself most i know would rather be working instead of being sat at home twiddling our thumbs.cant talk for whole country but peeps i know would rather be back in there jobs because the longer this carrys on the more likley it is that job loses are coming"

most people are in your situation ... there are a few that volunteered for furlough though more than happy with their life in the garden and daily cocktails ... i absolutely expect them to be in the minority but in the scottish forum there is at least one taking great joy in rubbing it in and winding people up

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By *exywheelsCouple
over a year ago

inverness

Wish I was still at work, dont even know if their will be a job to go back to. Work in aviation

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By *racy_JacksWoman
over a year ago

Derby


"It is unfair. This whole situation is unfair in many ways. It's nobody's fault though.

"

This. And nobody has planned this or has a choice. I’m in a role that isn’t allowed to be furloughed and the idea is completely nightmarish to me. I’m so grateful that I have some normality and routine. All of that time stuck being able to do nothing, I’d feel completely robbed and unmoored if I was unable to work. I appreciate it must be frustrating if people feel they are taking on extra and those of us still in work are often now in unusual, more stressful circumstances. But the grass is always greener isn’t it...

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By *uicy jonesMan
over a year ago

near a big hill in s/ shropshire NOT in

It's a tuff call !!! I have my own business and I have Employees i'll getting the 80% furlough and I top it up with the 20% so I'll get him 100%, I'm not getting any money have applied for the self-employed furlough and still waiting for the money but he's not going to be a lot, and I won't be going back to work until July August I won't be getting any money and I haven't had any since March, so it's the first game to help the employees pay the employees , I have sold assets to ensure that I am still living !!! But when I have a business to go back to at the end of it, thankfully I own the building and no mortgage or rent, wish I could say the same for my home !!!

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By *orkshireBeef26Man
over a year ago

Kirkella

I'm currently on Furlough from 1st April ...

Following last week's announcement I thought yes I'll get called back to work.

Oh no, company emailed said clearly DO NOT return to work until advised further...

I know my colleagues still there are busy so surely they could call afew of us back to work now.

I personally think while GOV will pay wages on Furlough some companies will be happy to work as long as possible with skeleton staff!!!

I'm worried been on Furlough will effect my job now, already talking about Redundancy as work now....

Andy xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the tax goes up I'll just drop my hours in work and go working for cash.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've worked all the way through up to now. Some of our staff have been furloughed and some of us remain. All the office staff have been working from home, my director is working from home, those of us in the workshop don't have that luxury. The only thing is it appears my company has furloughed the dead wood from the workshops and are keeping those of us that actually do our jobs in work. I don't want to see anyone lose their job and i don't particularly want to be furloughed myself but several of the guys who are still working see it as a slap in the face that the dead beats are at home on full pay while they're still coming in every day. We've already been told there'll be no pay rise or bonuses this year so it kind feels like those of us who're keeping the firm afloat are doing so at a loss.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

Although we have reopened they could only bring back 75% of staff which has worked quite well. Some people can't come back because of having no childcare, or they love with someone elderly, or they're just taking the piss and haven't returned calls etc. They are the ones who won't me up, I'd much rather be at home with my family where I know I'm safe.

I bet most of them will cone back when it drops to 60%

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By *.D.I.D.A.SMan
over a year ago

London/Essex... ish... Romford to be exact

A solution would be to rotate working staff with furloughed staff if possible. My team of three has seen two furloughed meaning I am the only one working currently. Whilst there isn't enough work to occupy two people, I am doing slightly more than my usual. Maybe work a week and furlough the following week as I said. Though this may only work in certain cases. My colleagues would be able to familiarise themselves with my cases but continuity would make it far easier. But I think it would work better in some other scenarios.

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By *rben112Man
over a year ago

worcester

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By *rben112Man
over a year ago

worcester


"I've worked all the way through up to now. Some of our staff have been furloughed and some of us remain. All the office staff have been working from home, my director is working from home, those of us in the workshop don't have that luxury. The only thing is it appears my company has furloughed the dead wood from the workshops and are keeping those of us that actually do our jobs in work. I don't want to see anyone lose their job and i don't particularly want to be furloughed myself but several of the guys who are still working see it as a slap in the face that the dead beats are at home on full pay while they're still coming in every day. We've already been told there'll be no pay rise or bonuses this year so it kind feels like those of us who're keeping the firm afloat are doing so at a loss."

In the same boat. Also the “working from home” group, I can see when they are online or not!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If the work is getting done on a reduced staffing level, the companies may question how many staff they really need.

Nobody should be having to work harder.

Cal

Remember- Slack off. Save jobs (think about it for a minute) "

Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A solution would be to rotate working staff with furloughed staff if possible. My team of three has seen two furloughed meaning I am the only one working currently. Whilst there isn't enough work to occupy two people, I am doing slightly more than my usual. Maybe work a week and furlough the following week as I said. Though this may only work in certain cases. My colleagues would be able to familiarise themselves with my cases but continuity would make it far easier. But I think it would work better in some other scenarios. "

Yeah don’t think that would work as u have to be furloughed for 3 weeks minimum I believe in order for employer to reclaim your wages ?

But understand what u mean, fair way would be to rotate. But just not possible

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I feel lucky to be the one back at work while my colleagues are still on furlough it proves your worth to the company and your strengths above the other people you work with I’m paid more than most of them and am a lot more skilled at my job so being bought back to work helps the company back on its feet and also when and if they start to thin the workforce you can be sure the ones still on furlough will be the 1st to go over the ones working so count yourself lucky if your working and enjoy the little normality you have

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By *olex99Man
over a year ago

Hull

I'm so lucky. Being a key worker I've worked all the way through & had overtime too. A lot of my colleagues with underlying health issues were sent home straight away & told not to come back for at least 13 weeks. I've been lucky that my job gets me out of the house every day & amongst people. Dread the thought of 13 weeks at home on my own. I'm definitely lucky.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think its fantastic that the gov has put in place the furlough scheme. But I also understand its going to cost all of us in the end.

I have 2 jobs. One self employed. The other paye. I lost my self employed work, and have been kept on at my employed work.

68% of the company i work for has been put on furlough, and the company has topped up the 80% gov pay so that they get 100% pay.

"

The company I work for has done this as well, not sure if they will continue to do that when the payments drop to 60% though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If the work is getting done on a reduced staffing level, the companies may question how many staff they really need.

Nobody should be having to work harder.

Cal"

People still working will be working harder, to take up the bits that the others did.

I agree with the staffing levels being revised, it looks like some shops won't reopen as they are doing well online.

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By *inkershoes69Woman
over a year ago

maidstone


"when u look at it on paper it does seem a bit unfair.but belive me being on furlough has its down side to.im on 80% no top up to 100% my bills all still need paying so now juggling who get paid fully and who dont so already starting to build debt up wich is something ive never had.and talking to others on furlough we all have the same fear that either our companys aint gona be there at the end of this or there gona be a lot of people getting laid off when furlough ends.so yea unfair for those still working but the silver lining is if your still working there is lot better chance you will still have a job after this.seings and roundabouts people"
exactly my situation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A solution would be to rotate working staff with furloughed staff if possible. My team of three has seen two furloughed meaning I am the only one working currently. Whilst there isn't enough work to occupy two people, I am doing slightly more than my usual. Maybe work a week and furlough the following week as I said. Though this may only work in certain cases. My colleagues would be able to familiarise themselves with my cases but continuity would make it far easier. But I think it would work better in some other scenarios. "

Furlough can be rotated every 3 weeks

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By *ankie303Woman
over a year ago

Weirdsville South Coast Dorset

We are on extreme skeleton crew at my place. The stress is unreal at times. At first I was pissed off having to work whilst my co workers are paid to stay home but then it became apparent that us still here are the ones that management know can cope in extreme situations and I couldnt be more pleased to still be working! Tonight has been stressful as fuck and I have screamed cunt a few times but I'll skip out if here at 7am with a smile

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"when u look at it on paper it does seem a bit unfair.but belive me being on furlough has its down side to.im on 80% no top up to 100% my bills all still need paying so now juggling who get paid fully and who dont so already starting to build debt up wich is something ive never had.and talking to others on furlough we all have the same fear that either our companys aint gona be there at the end of this or there gona be a lot of people getting laid off when furlough ends.so yea unfair for those still working but the silver lining is if your still working there is lot better chance you will still have a job after this.seings and roundabouts peopleexactly my situation"

For all their faults and mistakes I think most people would agree that this scheme has been the governments finest hour. The alternative would have been immediate bankruptcy for many. Let's hope it pays off in a few months time. I think we need to recognise this act of common sense for what it is for all their faults and mistakes this government has made realise this could be their finest measure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One of my housemates is working from home for he’s company but has been furloughed from day one , so the government are paying him 80% and he’s company the other 20% , and I bet lots of companies are doing the same , I see lots of shops still not opening even though Boris has said too , is this because they like the government and ultimately US paying there staff there wages

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen


"when u look at it on paper it does seem a bit unfair.but belive me being on furlough has its down side to.im on 80% no top up to 100% my bills all still need paying so now juggling who get paid fully and who dont so already starting to build debt up wich is something ive never had.and talking to others on furlough we all have the same fear that either our companys aint gona be there at the end of this or there gona be a lot of people getting laid off when furlough ends.so yea unfair for those still working but the silver lining is if your still working there is lot better chance you will still have a job after this.seings and roundabouts peopleexactly my situation

For all their faults and mistakes I think most people would agree that this scheme has been the governments finest hour. The alternative would have been immediate bankruptcy for many. Let's hope it pays off in a few months time. I think we need to recognise this act of common sense for what it is for all their faults and mistakes this government has made realise this could be their finest measure."

^^ I couldn't agree more! And I'm still working albeit from home, but can imagine the worries people would have had if it wasn't in place!

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By *ookworm258Man
over a year ago

Wythenshawe


"Wish I was still at work, dont even know if their will be a job to go back to. Work in aviation"

I too work in the aviation sector. Collegues are on furlough, some demanded to be furloughed. I was asked to stay in work. Management have had to start understanding what each sector of the business does and how it works together, unfortunately for some people it has shown up how much deadwood the company has carried.

I wouldn't say I'm working harder, just smarter. I don't begrudge people on furlough, the work is not there for them to do, but it does mean redundancies are happening

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

I am classed as a key worker within the civil service and I am amazed at how quickly we have cut through the red tape in order to get things done on time and meet the extra demand.It shouldn’t take crisis / disaster like this to cut through the red tape

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Working from home office job so can do most of things I can at work . Saving fuel 40 week and travel each day if around hr .

Miss day to day buzz of office .

Quite a few family members furloughed. Would be bored not doing anything

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"

I think all those in work are the fortunate ones, even if workloads on those have increased "

I don't understand how those still working don't get this.

I'm furloughed on 100% pay. I doubt I'll have a job to go back to. Those of my colleagues still working are stressed, mainly because all their support staff is furloughed, but their jobs are secure.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I work in Education and I know certain members of non-teaching staff who are working all hours, through the weekends, through the holidays & Bank Holidays. None if them will get paid any extra, and they all don't get paid for the holidays.

Cal

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"

I think all those in work are the fortunate ones, even if workloads on those have increased

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I don't understand how those still working don't get this.

I'm furloughed on 100% pay. I doubt I'll have a job to go back to. Those of my colleagues still working are stressed, mainly because all their support staff is furloughed, but their jobs are secure."

I class myself as one of the lucky ones, not due to job security but because I've got a reason to get up in the morning and plenty to keep me busy all day.

Cal

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By *exleyboyMan
over a year ago

Erith

I know some companies are rotating furloughed staff. The company that some friends work for have done this after it got back to the HR department that the staff on fulough were bragging about the fact they were able to lie in and still get paid on social media. Now they are moaning the staff who they replaced are doing exactly the same to them

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