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"Stay home. Protect the NHS. Save lives. This is a simple mantra whose purpose was to encourage suppression of transmission of the virus as not to overload NHS capacity. In the process saving lives. You can read the mantra as a sentence or take the elements individually, and understand them. It was clear what was required. It's apparent a new mantra was needed as we enter a new phase but the mantra fails IMO. Stay alert (to me that suggests meercat style, not something you can sleep, breathe,eat and shit out). It cannot exist without clarification. Control the virus (errrm is that like you putting a silver Cross in front of a vampire and shouting stay back?). Save lies (phew an easy one but how do you do that - as a meercat with a silver cross?). " Oops save lies (that's a govt special  ).
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"1. Stay alert. Remember to stay 2m away from others not in your house. Remember to keep your hands clean. Dont forget theres a virus about. Think about what you can and can't do. 2. Control the virus. Follow step 1. above and it will get R down and control the virus. 3. Save Lives Do number 1, resulting in 2 means less people will get the virus which means less people will die." Stay alert = stay compliant. Continue to follow the rules of hand hygiene, 2m social distancing, work from home. Control the virus = suppress transmission (or keep transmission low). This highlights easing of restrictions but the above rules stay as they are - then you can explain what the new steps involve and why. Again the Save lives | |||
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"Each in turn then. 1. Stay alert Are you aware of the following. There there is a worldwide pandemic? Governments have put control measures in place? People are dying from it? Social distancing? Hand cleanliness? Working from home if you can? Not visiting others? You are allowed to travel to excercise? If you are aware of all the above, and they are in your thoughts when you are doing things, then you are alert. No meerkat style standing outside you house required, or selling of insurance "The point I'm making is that you need a damn manual for stay alert. As a mantra it sucks. | |||
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"We may have another mantra for next week, depends what the gov advisors think tank has cooked up for us "Catchy, memorable, simplistic, not needing a manual to clarify, unambiguous. First mantra - success. Second mantra - fail. | |||
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"We may have another mantra for next week, depends what the gov advisors think tank has cooked up for us
Catchy, memorable, simplistic, not needing a manual to clarify, unambiguous.
First mantra - success.
Second mantra - fail. "Oh and fits on a lecturn board. | |||
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"Each in turn then. 1. Stay alert Are you aware of the following. There there is a worldwide pandemic? Governments have put control measures in place? People are dying from it? Social distancing? Hand cleanliness? Working from home if you can? Not visiting others? You are allowed to travel to excercise? If you are aware of all the above, and they are in your thoughts when you are doing things, then you are alert. No meerkat style standing outside you house required, or selling of insurance
The point I'm making is that you need a damn manual for stay alert. As a mantra it sucks. "What mantra would you suggest? | |||
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"Each in turn then. 1. Stay alert Are you aware of the following. There there is a worldwide pandemic? Governments have put control measures in place? People are dying from it? Social distancing? Hand cleanliness? Working from home if you can? Not visiting others? You are allowed to travel to excercise? If you are aware of all the above, and they are in your thoughts when you are doing things, then you are alert. No meerkat style standing outside you house required, or selling of insurance
The point I'm making is that you need a damn manual for stay alert. As a mantra it sucks.
What mantra would you suggest?"it doesn’t matter what the government pick or what someone else suggests, if you want to pick it apart it to criticise it will always be possible, if you apply some common sense and have any knowledge of the virus (if you use any medium the mantra is shared on it would be hard not to), that is also possible people have chosen which side they want to be on | |||
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"For your own health and health of others do like rest of UK and ignore Boris and his fucking mantras STAY HOME SAVE LIVES" Yes Stay at home unless you want to go and have some tennis coaching at Roehampton socially distanced of course | |||
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"1. Stay alert. Remember to stay 2m away from others not in your house. Remember to keep your hands clean. Dont forget theres a virus about. Think about what you can and can't do. 2. Control the virus. Follow step 1. above and it will get R down and control the virus. 3. Save Lives Do number 1, resulting in 2 means less people will get the virus which means less people will die." Your missing some very key words that the government are using when describing there mantra , ‘where possible’ . Would you agree that ‘where possible’ is vague and open to misinterpretation? | |||
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"For your own health and health of others do like rest of UK and ignore Boris and his fucking mantras STAY HOME SAVE LIVES" Unless you need to go to work, the supermarket, out for excercise, to check on an elderly relative etc etc | |||
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"For your own health and health of others do like rest of UK and ignore Boris and his fucking mantras STAY HOME SAVE LIVES Unless you need to go to work, the supermarket, out for excercise, to check on an elderly relative etc etc" Or a drive to the beach where they will tell you to fuck off when you get there  | |||
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"1. Stay alert. Remember to stay 2m away from others not in your house. Remember to keep your hands clean. Dont forget theres a virus about. Think about what you can and can't do. 2. Control the virus. Follow step 1. above and it will get R down and control the virus. 3. Save Lives Do number 1, resulting in 2 means less people will get the virus which means less people will die. Your missing some very key words that the government are using when describing there mantra , ‘where possible’ . Would you agree that ‘where possible’ is vague and open to misinterpretation? " where possible ... if it is possible do it if it is not possible dont do it what is unclear about that ? is the countries grasp on our own language really that poor ? | |||
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"1. Stay alert. Remember to stay 2m away from others not in your house. Remember to keep your hands clean. Dont forget theres a virus about. Think about what you can and can't do. 2. Control the virus. Follow step 1. above and it will get R down and control the virus. 3. Save Lives Do number 1, resulting in 2 means less people will get the virus which means less people will die. Your missing some very key words that the government are using when describing there mantra , ‘where possible’ . Would you agree that ‘where possible’ is vague and open to misinterpretation? where possible ... if it is possible do it if it is not possible dont do it what is unclear about that ? is the countries grasp on our own language really that poor ? " *country’s (before i get hammered for that) | |||
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"1. Stay alert. Remember to stay 2m away from others not in your house. Remember to keep your hands clean. Dont forget theres a virus about. Think about what you can and can't do. 2. Control the virus. Follow step 1. above and it will get R down and control the virus. 3. Save Lives Do number 1, resulting in 2 means less people will get the virus which means less people will die. Your missing some very key words that the government are using when describing there mantra , ‘where possible’ . Would you agree that ‘where possible’ is vague and open to misinterpretation? where possible ... if it is possible do it if it is not possible dont do it what is unclear about that ? is the countries grasp on our own language really that poor ? "   | |||
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"Each in turn then. 1. Stay alert Are you aware of the following. There there is a worldwide pandemic? Governments have put control measures in place? People are dying from it? Social distancing? Hand cleanliness? Working from home if you can? Not visiting others? You are allowed to travel to excercise? If you are aware of all the above, and they are in your thoughts when you are doing things, then you are alert. No meerkat style standing outside you house required, or selling of insurance "
Coming out of lockdown is a lot harder than going in as it has to be done in much smaller steps. As said above if you want to pull a message apart you will regardless of what it is. Some common sense and taking responsibility would not go amiss. | |||
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"1. Stay alert. Remember to stay 2m away from others not in your house. Remember to keep your hands clean. Dont forget theres a virus about. Think about what you can and can't do. 2. Control the virus. Follow step 1. above and it will get R down and control the virus. 3. Save Lives Do number 1, resulting in 2 means less people will get the virus which means less people will die. Your missing some very key words that the government are using when describing there mantra , ‘where possible’ . Would you agree that ‘where possible’ is vague and open to misinterpretation? where possible ... if it is possible do it if it is not possible dont do it what is unclear about that ? is the countries grasp on our own language really that poor ? " That is not what the vast majority of people I saw in my local park doing , ‘where possible’ to them was completely the opposite, however the park was empty 2 weeks ago. Can you explain ‘where possible ‘ why this might be the case? | |||
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"1. Stay alert. Remember to stay 2m away from others not in your house. Remember to keep your hands clean. Dont forget theres a virus about. Think about what you can and can't do. 2. Control the virus. Follow step 1. above and it will get R down and control the virus. 3. Save Lives Do number 1, resulting in 2 means less people will get the virus which means less people will die. Your missing some very key words that the government are using when describing there mantra , ‘where possible’ . Would you agree that ‘where possible’ is vague and open to misinterpretation? where possible ... if it is possible do it if it is not possible dont do it what is unclear about that ? is the countries grasp on our own language really that poor ? That is not what the vast majority of people I saw in my local park doing , ‘where possible’ to them was completely the opposite, however the park was empty 2 weeks ago. Can you explain ‘where possible ‘ why this might be the case? " because people have choices available to them and unfortunately many of them are selfish , if people choose to ignore the meaning or misinterpret something because it suits their agenda and they choose to head off outside and hang about a park because they would rather do that than continue to be home, it doesn’t suggest the meaning of “where possible” has changed or is not clear | |||
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"1. Stay alert. Remember to stay 2m away from others not in your house. Remember to keep your hands clean. Dont forget theres a virus about. Think about what you can and can't do. 2. Control the virus. Follow step 1. above and it will get R down and control the virus. 3. Save Lives Do number 1, resulting in 2 means less people will get the virus which means less people will die. Your missing some very key words that the government are using when describing there mantra , ‘where possible’ . Would you agree that ‘where possible’ is vague and open to misinterpretation? where possible ... if it is possible do it if it is not possible dont do it what is unclear about that ? is the countries grasp on our own language really that poor ? That is not what the vast majority of people I saw in my local park doing , ‘where possible’ to them was completely the opposite, however the park was empty 2 weeks ago. Can you explain ‘where possible ‘ why this might be the case? " Only them who voted for them can understand it | |||
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"1. Stay alert. Remember to stay 2m away from others not in your house. Remember to keep your hands clean. Dont forget theres a virus about. Think about what you can and can't do. 2. Control the virus. Follow step 1. above and it will get R down and control the virus. 3. Save Lives Do number 1, resulting in 2 means less people will get the virus which means less people will die. Your missing some very key words that the government are using when describing there mantra , ‘where possible’ . Would you agree that ‘where possible’ is vague and open to misinterpretation? where possible ... if it is possible do it if it is not possible dont do it what is unclear about that ? is the countries grasp on our own language really that poor ? That is not what the vast majority of people I saw in my local park doing , ‘where possible’ to them was completely the opposite, however the park was empty 2 weeks ago. Can you explain ‘where possible ‘ why this might be the case? Only them who voted for them can understand it "i dont think it would have mattered who was in power ... there will always be people that dont want to be home and they will always find a way to justify it to themselves there would also always be the people (from both sides) that want to bash it for politics its literally a no win scenario you put out a slogan and it will be too vague you publish a 50 page document and it will be too much detail for people to sift through to, or still have gaps to others, wont make sense to a 3rd group because despite it being incredibly clear, only some elements suited them and what they were hoping to happen wasn't included for the most part when i read “i don't understand” and then look at the context and the rest of the comment round about those words, it actually either means “i dont agree”, or “it wasn't what i hoped for/expected”, or “my personal opinion is in conflict” whats that saying about pleasing the people? | |||
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"1. Stay alert. Remember to stay 2m away from others not in your house. Remember to keep your hands clean. Dont forget theres a virus about. Think about what you can and can't do. 2. Control the virus. Follow step 1. above and it will get R down and control the virus. 3. Save Lives Do number 1, resulting in 2 means less people will get the virus which means less people will die. Your missing some very key words that the government are using when describing there mantra , ‘where possible’ . Would you agree that ‘where possible’ is vague and open to misinterpretation? where possible ... if it is possible do it if it is not possible dont do it what is unclear about that ? is the countries grasp on our own language really that poor ? That is not what the vast majority of people I saw in my local park doing , ‘where possible’ to them was completely the opposite, however the park was empty 2 weeks ago. Can you explain ‘where possible ‘ why this might be the case? because people have choices available to them and unfortunately many of them are selfish , if people choose to ignore the meaning or misinterpret something because it suits their agenda and they choose to head off outside and hang about a park because they would rather do that than continue to be home, it doesn’t suggest the meaning of “where possible” has changed or is not clear " Really? the meaning of ‘stay at home’ was very clear and the vast majority of people did as requested, why have those very same people now decided to go to the park in groups, drinking and socialising with friends? What has changed ? | |||
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"It’s really not difficult if you have personal responsibility." If you are encourage to work from home ‘where possible ‘ but are unable to do so, what are you expected to do? My guess is you go to work, what are your thoughts ? | |||
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"Use common sense and get on with your life" Indeed, do you think Boris was using common sense when he shook hands with a ward full of people infected with the virus then boasted about it in a press conference? | |||
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"1. Stay alert. Remember to stay 2m away from others not in your house. Remember to keep your hands clean. Dont forget theres a virus about. Think about what you can and can't do. 2. Control the virus. Follow step 1. above and it will get R down and control the virus. 3. Save Lives Do number 1, resulting in 2 means less people will get the virus which means less people will die. Your missing some very key words that the government are using when describing there mantra , ‘where possible’ . Would you agree that ‘where possible’ is vague and open to misinterpretation? where possible ... if it is possible do it if it is not possible dont do it what is unclear about that ? is the countries grasp on our own language really that poor ? That is not what the vast majority of people I saw in my local park doing , ‘where possible’ to them was completely the opposite, however the park was empty 2 weeks ago. Can you explain ‘where possible ‘ why this might be the case? Only them who voted for them can understand it
i dont think it would have mattered who was in power ... there will always be people that dont want to be home and they will always find a way to justify it to themselves
there would also always be the people (from both sides) that want to bash it for politics
its literally a no win scenario
you put out a slogan and it will be too vague
you publish a 50 page document and it will be too much detail for people to sift through to, or still have gaps to others, wont make sense to a 3rd group because despite it being incredibly clear, only some elements suited them and what they were hoping to happen wasn't included
for the most part when i read “i don't understand” and then look at the context and the rest of the comment round about those words, it actually either means “i dont agree”, or “it wasn't what i hoped for/expected”, or “my personal opinion is in conflict”
whats that saying about pleasing the people? " | |||
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"It’s really not difficult if you have personal responsibility. If you are encourage to work from home ‘where possible ‘ but are unable to do so, what are you expected to do? My guess is you go to work, what are your thoughts ? " employers are also being told to make work for places safe and health and safety laws that were in place pre covid have not gone away maybe we should build you a flow chart is it possible to work from home - yes- stayathome | no | has your employer managed to make your work place safe - yes - return to work | no | remain on furlough | |||
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"Use common sense and get on with your life Indeed, do you think Boris was using common sense when he shook hands with a ward full of people infected with the virus then boasted about it in a press conference? " no he wasn’t using common sense ... does that mean we should all throw ours out the window too? or should we learn from that stupidity and actually apply our own? | |||
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"Use common sense and get on with your life Indeed, do you think Boris was using common sense when he shook hands with a ward full of people infected with the virus then boasted about it in a press conference? no he wasn’t using common sense ... does that mean we should all throw ours out the window too? or should we learn from that stupidity and actually apply our own? " We should apply our own, just goes to show there are several different levels of common sense? Don’t you agree | |||
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"It’s really not difficult if you have personal responsibility. If you are encourage to work from home ‘where possible ‘ but are unable to do so, what are you expected to do? My guess is you go to work, what are your thoughts ? employers are also being told to make work for places safe and health and safety laws that were in place pre covid have not gone away maybe we should build you a flow chart is it possible to work from home - yes- stayathome | no | has your employer managed to make your work place safe - yes - return to work | no | remain on furlough " Where possible | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation " Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ." This bit! Remember all the buggers going to the pub right up until the last night they closed? They were saying I'll stop going when boris shuts them. No one really has complained since they shut. Now take masks for instance...most people that have half an ounce of common sense know they stop the spread of the infection if we all wear a face covering of some sort. If the government said confined spaces need a mask..most would comply. What we need is clear messages putting out there to begin with. | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either " i could add where possible into every single one of those examples, it wouldn’t change the common sense approach or the point i was getting at , I’m not sure why people are so pedantically hung upon it this must be one of the only times on this forum i have seen people trying their hardest to make it seem like they are less intelligent than they actually are ... its normally pretending to know and understand everything  | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either i could add where possible into every single one of those examples, it wouldn’t change the common sense approach or the point i was getting at , I’m not sure why people are so pedantically hung upon it this must be one of the only times on this forum i have seen people trying their hardest to make it seem like they are less intelligent than they actually are ... its normally pretending to know and understand everything "I have my own understanding of what ‘where possible ‘ means, you have yours, and millions of people have theirs. That is the problem, there should be only one meaning when it comes to a government message, are all those people in the park selfish and stupid? Are all those people cramming into public transport going to work selfish and stupid? | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either i could add where possible into every single one of those examples, it wouldn’t change the common sense approach or the point i was getting at , I’m not sure why people are so pedantically hung upon it this must be one of the only times on this forum i have seen people trying their hardest to make it seem like they are less intelligent than they actually are ... its normally pretending to know and understand everything "Well put indeed I often wonder if it was one of the other parties in power saying exactly the same thing if those complaining would suddenly understand | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either i could add where possible into every single one of those examples, it wouldn’t change the common sense approach or the point i was getting at , I’m not sure why people are so pedantically hung upon it this must be one of the only times on this forum i have seen people trying their hardest to make it seem like they are less intelligent than they actually are ... its normally pretending to know and understand everything
I have my own understanding of what ‘where possible ‘ means, you have yours, and millions of people have theirs. That is the problem, there should be only one meaning when it comes to a government message, are all those people in the park selfish and stupid? Are all those people cramming into public transport going to work selfish and stupid? "then you need to consult a dictionary rather than the government because it only has one meaning , the subjective part comes only when considering your personal scenario , not the meaning of where possible majority of the people in the park are being selfish and stupid yeah (it would be possible for them to stay home more often they just managed it for weeks or it would be possible for them to meet that one family member in another outside location that isnt a hotspot for everyone to congregate in) the majority using transport to commute have no other option (ie it is not possible to avoid) | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either i could add where possible into every single one of those examples, it wouldn’t change the common sense approach or the point i was getting at , I’m not sure why people are so pedantically hung upon it this must be one of the only times on this forum i have seen people trying their hardest to make it seem like they are less intelligent than they actually are ... its normally pretending to know and understand everything
I have my own understanding of what ‘where possible ‘ means, you have yours, and millions of people have theirs. That is the problem, there should be only one meaning when it comes to a government message, are all those people in the park selfish and stupid? Are all those people cramming into public transport going to work selfish and stupid?
then you need to consult a dictionary rather than the government because it only has one meaning , the subjective part comes only when considering your personal scenario , not the meaning of where possible
majority of the people in the park are being selfish and stupid yeah (it would be possible for them to stay home more often they just managed it for weeks or it would be possible for them to meet that one family member in another outside location that isnt a hotspot for everyone to congregate in)
the majority using transport to commute have no other option (ie it is not possible to avoid) "and by your own scenario i mean the ”is it possible“ part of your conundrum is where the subjectivity comes in , once you have the answer to that then its clear as day | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either i could add where possible into every single one of those examples, it wouldn’t change the common sense approach or the point i was getting at , I’m not sure why people are so pedantically hung upon it this must be one of the only times on this forum i have seen people trying their hardest to make it seem like they are less intelligent than they actually are ... its normally pretending to know and understand everything
Well put indeed
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either i could add where possible into every single one of those examples, it wouldn’t change the common sense approach or the point i was getting at , I’m not sure why people are so pedantically hung upon it this must be one of the only times on this forum i have seen people trying their hardest to make it seem like they are less intelligent than they actually are ... its normally pretending to know and understand everything
Well put indeed
I often wonder if it was one of the other parties in power saying exactly the same thing if those complaining would suddenly understand"for some its political for others i think personal gain i wonder if they realise they are effectively arguing the case for dictatorship by suggesting we are not capable of any free thinking with a positive outcome | |||
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"Where possible has to be included, it's not vague. It's only vague if people make it vague. Work from home - where possible. Pretty straight forward to me. Unless a brick layer is going to send each brick and mortar by post he cant work from home. An office admin clerk with internet access and a computer can work from home. " I don't do either of those jobs so I'm really confused. Should I go to work or stay home? Still trying to find what shoes the government says I can wear. Life is too difficult without instructions.  | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either i could add where possible into every single one of those examples, it wouldn’t change the common sense approach or the point i was getting at , I’m not sure why people are so pedantically hung upon it this must be one of the only times on this forum i have seen people trying their hardest to make it seem like they are less intelligent than they actually are ... its normally pretending to know and understand everything
Well put indeed
I often wonder if it was one of the other parties in power saying exactly the same thing if those complaining would suddenly understand
And you wouldn't understand then eh "I would understand no matter what party or individual set out the advice. I don't look at it with a political view just look at the advice and implement it. If jerremy was in power I would not loose the ability to understand and take responsible actions | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either i could add where possible into every single one of those examples, it wouldn’t change the common sense approach or the point i was getting at , I’m not sure why people are so pedantically hung upon it this must be one of the only times on this forum i have seen people trying their hardest to make it seem like they are less intelligent than they actually are ... its normally pretending to know and understand everything
Well put indeed
I often wonder if it was one of the other parties in power saying exactly the same thing if those complaining would suddenly understand
And you wouldn't understand then eh
I would understand no matter what party or individual set out the advice.
I don't look at it with a political view just look at the advice and implement it.
If jerremy was in power I would not loose the ability to understand and take responsible actions" i live in scotland and didn’t vote for bojo or sturgeon and haven’t lost the ability to read an comprehend either | |||
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"Each in turn then. 1. Stay alert Are you aware of the following. There there is a worldwide pandemic? Governments have put control measures in place? People are dying from it? Social distancing? Hand cleanliness? Working from home if you can? Not visiting others? You are allowed to travel to excercise? If you are aware of all the above, and they are in your thoughts when you are doing things, then you are alert. No meerkat style standing outside you house required, or selling of insurance
The point I'm making is that you need a damn manual for stay alert. As a mantra it sucks.
What mantra would you suggest?"Stay compliant. Suppress transmission. Save lives. | |||
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"Each in turn then. 1. Stay alert Are you aware of the following. There there is a worldwide pandemic? Governments have put control measures in place? People are dying from it? Social distancing? Hand cleanliness? Working from home if you can? Not visiting others? You are allowed to travel to excercise? If you are aware of all the above, and they are in your thoughts when you are doing things, then you are alert. No meerkat style standing outside you house required, or selling of insurance
The point I'm making is that you need a damn manual for stay alert. As a mantra it sucks.
What mantra would you suggest?
it doesn’t matter what the government pick or what someone else suggests, if you want to pick it apart it to criticise it will always be possible,
if you apply some common sense and have any knowledge of the virus (if you use any medium the mantra is shared on it would be hard not to), that is also possible
people have chosen which side they want to be on "Sides? How daft. I'm hardly making it political by saying good first mantra, poor second mantra. | |||
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"What do people think of Save Lives, Stay Cautious ? " Stay cautious beats stay alert. | |||
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"This demonstrates the importance of using words precisely " Absolutely. | |||
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"1. Stay alert. Remember to stay 2m away from others not in your house. Remember to keep your hands clean. Dont forget theres a virus about. Think about what you can and can't do. 2. Control the virus. Follow step 1. above and it will get R down and control the virus. 3. Save Lives Do number 1, resulting in 2 means less people will get the virus which means less people will die. Your missing some very key words that the government are using when describing there mantra , ‘where possible’ . Would you agree that ‘where possible’ is vague and open to misinterpretation? where possible ... if it is possible do it if it is not possible dont do it what is unclear about that ? is the countries grasp on our own language really that poor ? That is not what the vast majority of people I saw in my local park doing , ‘where possible’ to them was completely the opposite, however the park was empty 2 weeks ago. Can you explain ‘where possible ‘ why this might be the case? because people have choices available to them and unfortunately many of them are selfish , if people choose to ignore the meaning or misinterpret something because it suits their agenda and they choose to head off outside and hang about a park because they would rather do that than continue to be home, it doesn’t suggest the meaning of “where possible” has changed or is not clear Really? the meaning of ‘stay at home’ was very clear and the vast majority of people did as requested, why have those very same people now decided to go to the park in groups, drinking and socialising with friends? What has changed ? " The mantra and explication of isn't clear to many people. What did people think "stay alert" meant before the explanation was given? Be on your guard, be watchful comes to my mind. These aren't pertinent to the crisis. Be mindful is or cautious or compliant (as in continuing to follow precautions/rules). | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either i could add where possible into every single one of those examples, it wouldn’t change the common sense approach or the point i was getting at , I’m not sure why people are so pedantically hung upon it this must be one of the only times on this forum i have seen people trying their hardest to make it seem like they are less intelligent than they actually are ... its normally pretending to know and understand everything
Well put indeed
I often wonder if it was one of the other parties in power saying exactly the same thing if those complaining would suddenly understand
And you wouldn't understand then eh
I would understand no matter what party or individual set out the advice.
I don't look at it with a political view just look at the advice and implement it.
If jerremy was in power I would not loose the ability to understand and take responsible actions
i live in scotland and didn’t vote for bojo or sturgeon and haven’t lost the ability to read an comprehend either "That’s because you don’t have to try and follow his Mantra, Scotland wisely stayed with the original | |||
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"Use common sense and get on with your life" Oh come on.... the majority of people can’t , they need BoJo the performance clown to to tell them exactly what they can and can’t do | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either i could add where possible into every single one of those examples, it wouldn’t change the common sense approach or the point i was getting at , I’m not sure why people are so pedantically hung upon it this must be one of the only times on this forum i have seen people trying their hardest to make it seem like they are less intelligent than they actually are ... its normally pretending to know and understand everything
I have my own understanding of what ‘where possible ‘ means, you have yours, and millions of people have theirs. That is the problem, there should be only one meaning when it comes to a government message, are all those people in the park selfish and stupid? Are all those people cramming into public transport going to work selfish and stupid?
then you need to consult a dictionary rather than the government because it only has one meaning , the subjective part comes only when considering your personal scenario , not the meaning of where possible
majority of the people in the park are being selfish and stupid yeah (it would be possible for them to stay home more often they just managed it for weeks or it would be possible for them to meet that one family member in another outside location that isnt a hotspot for everyone to congregate in)
the majority using transport to commute have no other option (ie it is not possible to avoid) "‘the subjective part comes only when considering your personal scenario ‘ Is exactly what everyone is currently doing . Let’s be absolutely honest, the government no longer wants to take responsibility for people’s actions so the words ‘where possible ‘ have been used as a cop out and a way of preventing any blame being directed towards them . They could stuck with the original ‘mantra’ just like the rest of the UK have | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either i could add where possible into every single one of those examples, it wouldn’t change the common sense approach or the point i was getting at , I’m not sure why people are so pedantically hung upon it this must be one of the only times on this forum i have seen people trying their hardest to make it seem like they are less intelligent than they actually are ... its normally pretending to know and understand everything
Well put indeed
I often wonder if it was one of the other parties in power saying exactly the same thing if those complaining would suddenly understand
And you wouldn't understand then eh
I would understand no matter what party or individual set out the advice.
I don't look at it with a political view just look at the advice and implement it.
If jerremy was in power I would not loose the ability to understand and take responsible actions
i live in scotland and didn’t vote for bojo or sturgeon and haven’t lost the ability to read an comprehend either
That’s because you don’t have to try and follow his Mantra, Scotland wisely stayed with the original "And yet she can still understand the advice given. She does not understand because Scotland has not changed, she understands because she has the ability to read advice and apply it to her circumstances. I may be making assumptions on her behalf and if I'm incorrect on my assumptions I will of course apologise to her | |||
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"What do people think of Save Lives, Stay Cautious ? Stay cautious beats stay alert. " Well, that's the French slogan. | |||
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"What do people think of Save Lives, Stay Cautious ? Stay cautious beats stay alert. Well, that's the French slogan. " It still beats alert | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either i could add where possible into every single one of those examples, it wouldn’t change the common sense approach or the point i was getting at , I’m not sure why people are so pedantically hung upon it this must be one of the only times on this forum i have seen people trying their hardest to make it seem like they are less intelligent than they actually are ... its normally pretending to know and understand everything
I have my own understanding of what ‘where possible ‘ means, you have yours, and millions of people have theirs. That is the problem, there should be only one meaning when it comes to a government message, are all those people in the park selfish and stupid? Are all those people cramming into public transport going to work selfish and stupid?
then you need to consult a dictionary rather than the government because it only has one meaning , the subjective part comes only when considering your personal scenario , not the meaning of where possible
majority of the people in the park are being selfish and stupid yeah (it would be possible for them to stay home more often they just managed it for weeks or it would be possible for them to meet that one family member in another outside location that isnt a hotspot for everyone to congregate in)
the majority using transport to commute have no other option (ie it is not possible to avoid)
‘the subjective part comes only when considering your personal scenario ‘ Is exactly what everyone is currently doing . Let’s be absolutely honest, the government no longer wants to take responsibility for people’s actions so the words ‘where possible ‘ have been used as a cop out and a way of preventing any blame being directed towards them . They could stuck with the original ‘mantra’ just like the rest of the UK have "so which is it now... you dont understand it ? or you understand it perfectly but believe it is a cop out? you cant stick with “stay at home” while encouraging some sectors back to work and telling people you are started to phase opening schools, it would be entirely contradictory | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either i could add where possible into every single one of those examples, it wouldn’t change the common sense approach or the point i was getting at , I’m not sure why people are so pedantically hung upon it this must be one of the only times on this forum i have seen people trying their hardest to make it seem like they are less intelligent than they actually are ... its normally pretending to know and understand everything
Well put indeed
I often wonder if it was one of the other parties in power saying exactly the same thing if those complaining would suddenly understand
And you wouldn't understand then eh
I would understand no matter what party or individual set out the advice.
I don't look at it with a political view just look at the advice and implement it.
If jerremy was in power I would not loose the ability to understand and take responsible actions
i live in scotland and didn’t vote for bojo or sturgeon and haven’t lost the ability to read an comprehend either
That’s because you don’t have to try and follow his Mantra, Scotland wisely stayed with the original
And yet she can still understand the advice given. She does not understand because Scotland has not changed, she understands because she has the ability to read advice and apply it to her circumstances.
I may be making assumptions on her behalf and if I'm incorrect on my assumptions I will of course apologise to her"got it in 1
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"To be honest I wouldn't care if the mantra was Beanz Meanz Heinz I think the government has a responsibility to the vulnerable, those whose cognition is poor, those who are anxious (and other groups). Anxiety raises the hormone cortisol, cortisol impedes cognition. So those of you with the attitude of "well I can comprehend so fuck you jack" or "take personal responsibility", STOP! Think of those less fortunate than yourselves. " you realise your alternative choice of words are also open to interpretation so just because you think they are better for these less fortunate folk you are apparently looking out for, it doesn't mean they actually are if that really is your issue then why not suggest a help line is opened where people can ask for specific clarification personal to their situation ... all anyone wants to do is find problems and bitch and moan, nobody seems interested in solutions | |||
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"To be honest I wouldn't care if the mantra was Beanz Meanz Heinz I think the government has a responsibility to the vulnerable, those whose cognition is poor, those who are anxious (and other groups). Anxiety raises the hormone cortisol, cortisol impedes cognition. So those of you with the attitude of "well I can comprehend so fuck you jack" or "take personal responsibility", STOP! Think of those less fortunate than yourselves. you realise your alternative choice of words are also open to interpretation so just because you think they are better for these less fortunate folk you are apparently looking out for, it doesn't mean they actually are if that really is your issue then why not suggest a help line is opened where people can ask for specific clarification personal to their situation ... all anyone wants to do is find problems and bitch and moan, nobody seems interested in solutions " I'm not suggesting my words are better, I'm simply showing I've given it some thought and stating why I've given it that thought. It's given me the ability to clarify some of the issues I've heard about so can do so if I come across people having problems comprehending. As for bitching and moaning, ha! Some people just don't know how to debate | |||
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Collar and lead on the virus like a dog? "Nah that's for another thread | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either i could add where possible into every single one of those examples, it wouldn’t change the common sense approach or the point i was getting at , I’m not sure why people are so pedantically hung upon it this must be one of the only times on this forum i have seen people trying their hardest to make it seem like they are less intelligent than they actually are ... its normally pretending to know and understand everything
I have my own understanding of what ‘where possible ‘ means, you have yours, and millions of people have theirs. That is the problem, there should be only one meaning when it comes to a government message, are all those people in the park selfish and stupid? Are all those people cramming into public transport going to work selfish and stupid?
then you need to consult a dictionary rather than the government because it only has one meaning , the subjective part comes only when considering your personal scenario , not the meaning of where possible
majority of the people in the park are being selfish and stupid yeah (it would be possible for them to stay home more often they just managed it for weeks or it would be possible for them to meet that one family member in another outside location that isnt a hotspot for everyone to congregate in)
the majority using transport to commute have no other option (ie it is not possible to avoid)
‘the subjective part comes only when considering your personal scenario ‘ Is exactly what everyone is currently doing . Let’s be absolutely honest, the government no longer wants to take responsibility for people’s actions so the words ‘where possible ‘ have been used as a cop out and a way of preventing any blame being directed towards them . They could stuck with the original ‘mantra’ just like the rest of the UK have
so which is it now...
you dont understand it ?
or you understand it perfectly but believe it is a cop out?
you cant stick with “stay at home” while encouraging some sectors back to work and telling people you are started to phase opening schools, it would be entirely contradictory "I understand my perception of ‘where possible ‘ I can’t say I understand yours, maybe there are two different ways of looking at the term? | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either i could add where possible into every single one of those examples, it wouldn’t change the common sense approach or the point i was getting at , I’m not sure why people are so pedantically hung upon it this must be one of the only times on this forum i have seen people trying their hardest to make it seem like they are less intelligent than they actually are ... its normally pretending to know and understand everything
I have my own understanding of what ‘where possible ‘ means, you have yours, and millions of people have theirs. That is the problem, there should be only one meaning when it comes to a government message, are all those people in the park selfish and stupid? Are all those people cramming into public transport going to work selfish and stupid?
then you need to consult a dictionary rather than the government because it only has one meaning , the subjective part comes only when considering your personal scenario , not the meaning of where possible
majority of the people in the park are being selfish and stupid yeah (it would be possible for them to stay home more often they just managed it for weeks or it would be possible for them to meet that one family member in another outside location that isnt a hotspot for everyone to congregate in)
the majority using transport to commute have no other option (ie it is not possible to avoid)
‘the subjective part comes only when considering your personal scenario ‘ Is exactly what everyone is currently doing . Let’s be absolutely honest, the government no longer wants to take responsibility for people’s actions so the words ‘where possible ‘ have been used as a cop out and a way of preventing any blame being directed towards them . They could stuck with the original ‘mantra’ just like the rest of the UK have
so which is it now...
you dont understand it ?
or you understand it perfectly but believe it is a cop out?
you cant stick with “stay at home” while encouraging some sectors back to work and telling people you are started to phase opening schools, it would be entirely contradictory
I understand my perception of ‘where possible ‘ I can’t say I understand yours, maybe there are two different ways of looking at the term? "apparently there is ... one from a dictionary and one that has been made up in the readers head to suit their agenda | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either i could add where possible into every single one of those examples, it wouldn’t change the common sense approach or the point i was getting at , I’m not sure why people are so pedantically hung upon it this must be one of the only times on this forum i have seen people trying their hardest to make it seem like they are less intelligent than they actually are ... its normally pretending to know and understand everything
I have my own understanding of what ‘where possible ‘ means, you have yours, and millions of people have theirs. That is the problem, there should be only one meaning when it comes to a government message, are all those people in the park selfish and stupid? Are all those people cramming into public transport going to work selfish and stupid?
then you need to consult a dictionary rather than the government because it only has one meaning , the subjective part comes only when considering your personal scenario , not the meaning of where possible
majority of the people in the park are being selfish and stupid yeah (it would be possible for them to stay home more often they just managed it for weeks or it would be possible for them to meet that one family member in another outside location that isnt a hotspot for everyone to congregate in)
the majority using transport to commute have no other option (ie it is not possible to avoid)
‘the subjective part comes only when considering your personal scenario ‘ Is exactly what everyone is currently doing . Let’s be absolutely honest, the government no longer wants to take responsibility for people’s actions so the words ‘where possible ‘ have been used as a cop out and a way of preventing any blame being directed towards them . They could stuck with the original ‘mantra’ just like the rest of the UK have
so which is it now...
you dont understand it ?
or you understand it perfectly but believe it is a cop out?
you cant stick with “stay at home” while encouraging some sectors back to work and telling people you are started to phase opening schools, it would be entirely contradictory
I understand my perception of ‘where possible ‘ I can’t say I understand yours, maybe there are two different ways of looking at the term?
apparently there is ... one from a dictionary and one that has been made up in the readers head to suit their agenda "I'd say that everyone has a different idea about what is possible and what isn't. It all depends on your values and priorities. Your truth is your truth, and no one can change that but it's important to remember that you are just one person among billions, quite insignificant really, as we all are. | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either i could add where possible into every single one of those examples, it wouldn’t change the common sense approach or the point i was getting at , I’m not sure why people are so pedantically hung upon it this must be one of the only times on this forum i have seen people trying their hardest to make it seem like they are less intelligent than they actually are ... its normally pretending to know and understand everything
I have my own understanding of what ‘where possible ‘ means, you have yours, and millions of people have theirs. That is the problem, there should be only one meaning when it comes to a government message, are all those people in the park selfish and stupid? Are all those people cramming into public transport going to work selfish and stupid?
then you need to consult a dictionary rather than the government because it only has one meaning , the subjective part comes only when considering your personal scenario , not the meaning of where possible
majority of the people in the park are being selfish and stupid yeah (it would be possible for them to stay home more often they just managed it for weeks or it would be possible for them to meet that one family member in another outside location that isnt a hotspot for everyone to congregate in)
the majority using transport to commute have no other option (ie it is not possible to avoid)
‘the subjective part comes only when considering your personal scenario ‘ Is exactly what everyone is currently doing . Let’s be absolutely honest, the government no longer wants to take responsibility for people’s actions so the words ‘where possible ‘ have been used as a cop out and a way of preventing any blame being directed towards them . They could stuck with the original ‘mantra’ just like the rest of the UK have
so which is it now...
you dont understand it ?
or you understand it perfectly but believe it is a cop out?
you cant stick with “stay at home” while encouraging some sectors back to work and telling people you are started to phase opening schools, it would be entirely contradictory
I understand my perception of ‘where possible ‘ I can’t say I understand yours, maybe there are two different ways of looking at the term?
apparently there is ... one from a dictionary and one that has been made up in the readers head to suit their agenda
I'd say that everyone has a different idea about what is possible and what isn't. It all depends on your values and priorities.
Your truth is your truth, and no one can change that but it's important to remember that you are just one person among billions, quite insignificant really, as we all are."agreed “is something possible”is subjective, ive already said that further up ... everyones situation is different and that is a question do something “where possible” is the step that applies to the result of that question and it has only one meaning | |||
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"I have my own understanding of what ‘where possible ‘ means, you have yours, and millions of people have theirs. That is the problem, there should be only one meaning when it comes to a government message, are all those people in the park selfish and stupid? Are all those people cramming into public transport going to work selfish and stupid? then you need to consult a dictionary rather than the government because it only has one meaning , the subjective part comes only when considering your personal scenario , not the meaning of where possible majority of the people in the park are being selfish and stupid yeah (it would be possible for them to stay home more often they just managed it for weeks or it would be possible for them to meet that one family member in another outside location that isnt a hotspot for everyone to congregate in) the majority using transport to commute have no other option (ie it is not possible to avoid) ‘the subjective part comes only when considering your personal scenario ‘ Is exactly what everyone is currently doing . Let’s be absolutely honest, the government no longer wants to take responsibility for people’s actions so the words ‘where possible ‘ have been used as a cop out and a way of preventing any blame being directed towards them . They could stuck with the original ‘mantra’ just like the rest of the UK have so which is it now... you dont understand it ? or you understand it perfectly but believe it is a cop out? you cant stick with “stay at home” while encouraging some sectors back to work and telling people you are started to phase opening schools, it would be entirely contradictory I understand my perception of ‘where possible ‘ I can’t say I understand yours, maybe there are two different ways of looking at the term? apparently there is ... one from a dictionary and one that has been made up in the readers head to suit their agenda I'd say that everyone has a different idea about what is possible and what isn't. It all depends on your values and priorities. Your truth is your truth, and no one can change that but it's important to remember that you are just one person among billions, quite insignificant really, as we all are. agreed “is something possible”is subjective, ive already said that further up ... everyones situation is different and that is a question do something “where possible” is the step that applies to the result of that question and it has only one meaning " and i partially take that back because its not really that subjective it just requires additional data | |||
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"people make common sense decisions to protect themselves and their families every day without their being an explicit government instruction or law in place ... for example ... you lock your door to protect yourself from intruders we dont always cross the road at a crossing when there is a green man showing but we most likely instead look both ways and wait til it is safe you keep harmful objects out of reach/ access of the kids , bleach has a hard to open cap, but how many of you also keep it in a cabinet with a child lock advice is 3 meals a day but you don’t starve your kids at bedtime if they already had their 3 and tell you they are hungry again general advice is to take 10000 steps a day but someone with a broken leg will probably sit that one out why has ability to make any decision for ourselves gone out the window with this virus , the reason we are not getting a one size fits all instruction is because one size does not fit all and we need to apply the rules to our own situation Of course, and it is paramount we follow the governments advice ‘where possible’ . Don’t use public transport ‘where possible’ hasn’t worked out very well either i could add where possible into every single one of those examples, it wouldn’t change the common sense approach or the point i was getting at , I’m not sure why people are so pedantically hung upon it this must be one of the only times on this forum i have seen people trying their hardest to make it seem like they are less intelligent than they actually are ... its normally pretending to know and understand everything
I have my own understanding of what ‘where possible ‘ means, you have yours, and millions of people have theirs. That is the problem, there should be only one meaning when it comes to a government message, are all those people in the park selfish and stupid? Are all those people cramming into public transport going to work selfish and stupid?
then you need to consult a dictionary rather than the government because it only has one meaning , the subjective part comes only when considering your personal scenario , not the meaning of where possible
majority of the people in the park are being selfish and stupid yeah (it would be possible for them to stay home more often they just managed it for weeks or it would be possible for them to meet that one family member in another outside location that isnt a hotspot for everyone to congregate in)
the majority using transport to commute have no other option (ie it is not possible to avoid)
‘the subjective part comes only when considering your personal scenario ‘ Is exactly what everyone is currently doing . Let’s be absolutely honest, the government no longer wants to take responsibility for people’s actions so the words ‘where possible ‘ have been used as a cop out and a way of preventing any blame being directed towards them . They could stuck with the original ‘mantra’ just like the rest of the UK have
so which is it now...
you dont understand it ?
or you understand it perfectly but believe it is a cop out?
you cant stick with “stay at home” while encouraging some sectors back to work and telling people you are started to phase opening schools, it would be entirely contradictory
I understand my perception of ‘where possible ‘ I can’t say I understand yours, maybe there are two different ways of looking at the term?
apparently there is ... one from a dictionary and one that has been made up in the readers head to suit their agenda
I'd say that everyone has a different idea about what is possible and what isn't. It all depends on your values and priorities.
Your truth is your truth, and no one can change that but it's important to remember that you are just one person among billions, quite insignificant really, as we all are.
agreed “is something possible”is subjective, ive already said that further up ... everyones situation is different and that is a question
do something “where possible” is the step that applies to the result of that question and it has only one meaning "Not really, by the very definition if something isn’t impossible it’s possible. It comes down to what you’re prepared to trade off in order to be able to do it. That will change depending on the person. | |||
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"We have the new mantra which has been explained and been in existence for nearly week but is it clear? Could you explain it to someone else? " Yes it's clear, for months people have been shouting about having a grown up conversation, but when the government treats us like adults they are told it is too complicated and needs explaining. Up in Scotland the first Minister treats the population like infants and no one complains, the same happens in Wales. What are the government to make of that, perhaps forget about treating the population as adult treat them like infants and do what you want! | |||
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