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"but primary school children weren't sent to war. to work in hospitals or work in supermarkets" The children aren't at risk, I think this is aimed at the teachers. | |||
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"I know this will be controversial... But just think .. IF the Armed Forces hadn’t taken the risk of going to war in 1939 cos it’s tooo dangerous (and many times since!) and not gone! IF the NHS staff had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out. IF the staff in Supermarkets had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out. We’d all be speaking German, having lost significantly many more of our loved ones ... and probably starving by now (but some selfish few still able to wipe their backsides).... so come on teachers - stand up and be counted, it’s your turn to shine now! R x" Great post agree 100% you are so right | |||
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"I know this will be controversial... But just think .. IF the Armed Forces hadn’t taken the risk of going to war in 1939 cos it’s tooo dangerous (and many times since!) and not gone! IF the NHS staff had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out. IF the staff in Supermarkets had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out. We’d all be speaking German, having lost significantly many more of our loved ones ... and probably starving by now (but some selfish few still able to wipe their backsides).... so come on teachers - stand up and be counted, it’s your turn to shine now! R x" It really isn't. | |||
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"but primary school children weren't sent to war. to work in hospitals or work in supermarkets" No they where taken away from there parents and sent to live in different parts of the country.they had no help with there mental state,turned out fine. Today that would be not allowed we live in a mamby pampy world snd they will grow up as useless wets very sad | |||
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"but primary school children weren't sent to war. to work in hospitals or work in supermarketsNo they where taken away from there parents and sent to live in different parts of the country.they had no help with there mental state,turned out fine. Today that would be not allowed we live in a mamby pampy world snd they will grow up as useless wets very sad" Ah yes the halcyon fucking days of kids maimed and killed working for pennies in industrial death traps.. The not so good old days where adults abused them, what spiffing times.. | |||
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"I know this will be controversial... But just think .. IF the Armed Forces hadn’t taken the risk of going to war in 1939 cos it’s tooo dangerous (and many times since!) and not gone! IF the NHS staff had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out. IF the staff in Supermarkets had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out. We’d all be speaking German, having lost significantly many more of our loved ones ... and probably starving by now (but some selfish few still able to wipe their backsides).... so come on teachers - stand up and be counted, it’s your turn to shine now! R x" I wouldnt know where to start with that. | |||
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"but primary school children weren't sent to war. to work in hospitals or work in supermarketsNo they where taken away from there parents and sent to live in different parts of the country.they had no help with there mental state,turned out fine. Today that would be not allowed we live in a mamby pampy world snd they will grow up as useless wets very sad Ah yes the halcyon fucking days of kids maimed and killed working for pennies in industrial death traps.. The not so good old days where adults abused them, what spiffing times.. " Rubbish not in the second world war they went to the country to be educated | |||
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"but primary school children weren't sent to war. to work in hospitals or work in supermarketsNo they where taken away from there parents and sent to live in different parts of the country.they had no help with there mental state,turned out fine. Today that would be not allowed we live in a mamby pampy world snd they will grow up as useless wets very sad Ah yes the halcyon fucking days of kids maimed and killed working for pennies in industrial death traps.. The not so good old days where adults abused them, what spiffing times.. " Was it thatcher who wanted a return to Victorian values? | |||
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"I know this will be controversial... But just think .. IF the Armed Forces hadn’t taken the risk of going to war in 1939 cos it’s tooo dangerous (and many times since!) and not gone! IF the NHS staff had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out. IF the staff in Supermarkets had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out. We’d all be speaking German, having lost significantly many more of our loved ones ... and probably starving by now (but some selfish few still able to wipe their backsides).... so come on teachers - stand up and be counted, it’s your turn to shine now! R x" What a very ignorant thing to say, nurses are I. Protective environments with each patient in their own rooms to deal with and hygienic surroundings Shops are providing safe environments with shields for till operators and distancing rules in place Schools no protective clothing teachers dealing with upset children not coping with sitting on their own having to eat in their own, no sharing of toys and helping each other out the environment t will be seriously affected so its no wonder teachers are concerned and worried also with over crowding in classes and schools it will be near impossible to implement | |||
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"but primary school children weren't sent to war. to work in hospitals or work in supermarketsNo they where taken away from there parents and sent to live in different parts of the country.they had no help with there mental state,turned out fine. Today that would be not allowed we live in a mamby pampy world snd they will grow up as useless wets very sad Ah yes the halcyon fucking days of kids maimed and killed working for pennies in industrial death traps.. The not so good old days where adults abused them, what spiffing times.. Rubbish not in the second world war they went to the country to be educated " You need to do some research, it was not all jam and Jerusalem for all.. Some felt they had to escape back to the cities with all the risks that entailed because of how they were treated.. Same suggestion to you Emma, perhaps go and volunteer in a primary school if you think what's been proposed is safe.. | |||
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"It's common knowledge that kids can spread virus's like wild fires! I'm not a teacher but I would be feeling nervous about going back to work, as there are no guarantees about anything, would you be feeling the same if it was you? Honestly? " It's scientific knowledge that they can't. Search "coronavirus no child known to have passed covid 19 to adults global study finds" Where the WHO found that with all the contact tracing of infected individuals they did not find a single case where a child under 10 had infected an adult. | |||
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"but primary school children weren't sent to war. to work in hospitals or work in supermarkets The children aren't at risk, I think this is aimed at the teachers." How are the children not at risk? | |||
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"Why blame the teachers? How can they teach to a reasonable standard when their classrooms normally have 30 children in, what would be the point of a few years going in for staggered lessons? Surely they learn more at home? Its not the teachers fault a virus has caused havoc. I won't be sending my children in until I am ready to do so. The schools have been brilliant in a difficult situation, we need to stop pointing the finger and be more supportive. " Because the likes of the mail always has someone to blame and militant teachers are an easy target. Drs have backed the teachers now so they will be next on the hit list. | |||
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"but primary school children weren't sent to war. to work in hospitals or work in supermarkets The children aren't at risk, I think this is aimed at the teachers. How are the children not at risk?" Kids more likely to catch a cold,children are as safe as cold be from the virus. | |||
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"but primary school children weren't sent to war. to work in hospitals or work in supermarkets The children aren't at risk, I think this is aimed at the teachers. How are the children not at risk?" Because the chance of a child dying from covid are so low, they are probably safer at school than at home, if the number of accidents at home are anything to go by. | |||
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"Why blame the teachers? How can they teach to a reasonable standard when their classrooms normally have 30 children in, what would be the point of a few years going in for staggered lessons? Surely they learn more at home? Its not the teachers fault a virus has caused havoc. I won't be sending my children in until I am ready to do so. The schools have been brilliant in a difficult situation, we need to stop pointing the finger and be more supportive. " It's classic cummings style deflection, weve had the nurses for misuse of ppe, the public for not going to get tested and now it's the bolshy teachers stopping the education system.. There's a bit of a sad irony when people use the NHS and care staff as an example of one sector at work but sort of ignore how many of those people have paid the ultimate price.. And many of them sadly raised the issue that the teachers are now doing as a problem.. | |||
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"but primary school children weren't sent to war. to work in hospitals or work in supermarketsNo they where taken away from there parents and sent to live in different parts of the country.they had no help with there mental state,turned out fine. Today that would be not allowed we live in a mamby pampy world snd they will grow up as useless wets very sad" I think you'll find they were taken away from their parents when they were deemed to be living in a dangerous target zone. The ultimate in protecting children. We're doing the opposite now, sending them into the battlefield | |||
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"We'll be a lot better off in this country when we can stop comparing things constantly to WW2. It's so boring and pointless. " Be a long time coming that. | |||
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"Sure most children will be fine, but as mentioned already, what about the young children still with undiagnosed conditions, it's very common for young children to carry conditions hidden until adulthood or until they become a problem. There is no way children will adhere to social distancing and what about if they take the virus home into the households with parents, carers and siblings that are I'll too, and its all for something that truly isn't necessary at this moment in time. " See my earlier comment about the WHO study showing no child under 10 has infected an adult. As for education not being necessary, perhaps the Department for education check with you before they issue any more fines for non attendance in the future. We were told that missing a single day would have a detrimental effect on the child's future prospects. | |||
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"https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-30/children-with-coronavirus-may-be-just-as-infectious-as-adults" That's got a big maybe in it. It doesn't change fact that with all the contact tracing done in the countries, it hasn't happened. | |||
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"We'll be a lot better off in this country when we can stop comparing things constantly to WW2. It's so boring and pointless. " Hear hear. | |||
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"I know this will be controversial... But just think .. IF the Armed Forces hadn’t taken the risk of going to war in 1939 cos it’s tooo dangerous (and many times since!) and not gone! IF the NHS staff had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out. IF the staff in Supermarkets had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out. We’d all be speaking German, having lost significantly many more of our loved ones ... and probably starving by now (but some selfish few still able to wipe their backsides).... so come on teachers - stand up and be counted, it’s your turn to shine now! R x" Said the awful person who has probably not done a frontline job throughout anything they quote........ | |||
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"Why blame the teachers? How can they teach to a reasonable standard when their classrooms normally have 30 children in, what would be the point of a few years going in for staggered lessons? Surely they learn more at home? Its not the teachers fault a virus has caused havoc. I won't be sending my children in until I am ready to do so. The schools have been brilliant in a difficult situation, we need to stop pointing the finger and be more supportive. Because the likes of the mail always has someone to blame and militant teachers are an easy target. Drs have backed the teachers now so they will be next on the hit list." Agreed. Watch out for a new round of union bashing from the far right press in the next few weeks. | |||
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"What does track n trace do oh yeah tells you if you have had it and if you have antibodies doesn't say you can't get it milder than others or catch it again Look at confirmed cases to confirmed deaths its around 10% that have died World wide that doesn't even include people who have had it and didn't know like the 87% of NHS workers proving positive during being tested last week that didn't show symptoms UK will show more deaths than other countries we are a highly populated small island compared to other larger countries People need to focus on positive figures instead of doom and gloom" Track and Trace did well for the heavily populated islands in Greece and New Zealand - neither had testing but more importantly neither lied and claimed to have it whereas Boris did. He can't even be arsed to appear in public and was on holiday all the way through this. What is positive about being the best in the world per 100000 at killing people? | |||
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"It's common knowledge that kids can spread virus's like wild fires! I'm not a teacher but I would be feeling nervous about going back to work, as there are no guarantees about anything, would you be feeling the same if it was you? Honestly? It's scientific knowledge that they can't. Search "coronavirus no child known to have passed covid 19 to adults global study finds" Where the WHO found that with all the contact tracing of infected individuals they did not find a single case where a child under 10 had infected an adult." This is incorrect. The studies show they do not have enough evidence to prove children cannot pass the virus to adults. It is the OPINION of some scientists that the risk is small. The Department of Education’s chief scientist has told parliament categorically the evidence they have so far is inconclusive, and they do not know what risks teachers would face. | |||
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"but primary school children weren't sent to war. to work in hospitals or work in supermarkets The children aren't at risk, I think this is aimed at the teachers. How are the children not at risk? Because the chance of a child dying from covid are so low, they are probably safer at school than at home, if the number of accidents at home are anything to go by." And if the child passes the virus to a parent who subsequently dies? Your thinking is wooden. | |||
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"but primary school children weren't sent to war. to work in hospitals or work in supermarketsNo they where taken away from there parents and sent to live in different parts of the country.they had no help with there mental state,turned out fine. Today that would be not allowed we live in a mamby pampy world snd they will grow up as useless wets very sad" They didn't all turn out fine !! | |||
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"Where do you get 90% recovery rate from? We don't publish it! What are the long term effects for those who have recovered? We simply don't know but rather than be bothered to track and trace (too much hard work for Boris and the Mengele of the NHS Twitty!) just play russian roulette with people's lives. Send the elderly back to care homes rather than have them as statistics. Do you really think an island like ours with 55 thousand deaths and counting compares well with neighbours like Greece or Denmark or Islands like New Zealand? The idiot public got what they deserved when voting for Brexit." As part of the"idiot public "(I'm only a lowly nuclear engineer) I doff my cap to your interlect. What my vote for brexit, has to do with corona puzzles me. Especially in a thread about teachers returning to work. Is" project fear" still raising its ugly head | |||
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"https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-30/children-with-coronavirus-may-be-just-as-infectious-as-adults That's got a big maybe in it. It doesn't change fact that with all the contact tracing done in the countries, it hasn't happened." Exactly. It's maybe that's being stated as an absolute fact on here. If children don't spread the disease then surely we should be looking at why that is. It may be the solution... | |||
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"I know this will be controversial... But just think .. IF the Armed Forces hadn’t taken the risk of going to war in 1939 cos it’s tooo dangerous (and many times since!) and not gone!" When soldiers sign up to be soldiers it's with the understanding that they might get shot and killed, teachers didn't become teachers to risk dying. "IF the NHS staff had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out." When you sign up to work for the NHS it is with the understanding that you will come into contact with people who are very ill and sometimes contagious, it's the job. Not so much teachers. "IF the staff in Supermarkets had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out." Staff in supermarkets were given the option not to work, they were assured that strict guidelines would be adhered to in order to protect them. Teachers are being told they aren't allowed to wear PPE as it might frighten the children. "We’d all be speaking German, having lost significantly many more of our loved ones ... and probably starving by now (but some selfish few still able to wipe their backsides).... so come on teachers - stand up and be counted, it’s your turn to shine now! R x" When you've volunteered to put yourself in danger on a daily basis then you can talk about why you did it, you won't get to comment on why others don't however. | |||
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"Let’a speak some sense on Fab for once. Our economy is robust, and can support itself for however long we need. Governments can create money, interest rates are historically low. The furlough scheme has cost a tiny fraction so far, by comparison, of what the UK spent bailing out the banks. The drive to send children back to school is driven by one thing only - the need for capitalism to use workers to generate profits. The cheerleaders of this approach are the newspapers whose physical sales are obliterated and advertising revenues are slashed due to lockdown. There is no science in existence that can argue this represents anything other than increased risk for children, their parents and their teachers. People who argue teachers should return to work, especially if they are not teachers themselves, are - at best - simply unwitting tools of the system."  | |||
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"I’m a Teaching Assistant and dreading going back. How are we expected to teach children aged 3-4 to socially distance. And what if a child is injured or need comforting what are members of staff going to do then? Staff must socially distance also the nursery children will simply not understand " Feel your pain and glad my child has grown now so don't have that descion Sadly your not the only profession that will be at risk others have been at risk from day one Building sites are no different to schools 100s of guys all working in close contact touching materials that have come from anywhere using a canteen that others have used crossing on staircases not to mention idiots that can't social distance and decide to sit on ur lap n tell you about their weekend We all have a part in getting the country back on track its life And like said earlier I do think it's too soon for schools to open But too many people whinge at others comments and think as long as I'm safe I don't care Perhaps they could volunteer to take an elderly person into their home to reduce over crowding in nursing homes or become volunteer hospital porters or delivery drivers but they won't cause as long as their safe stuff the others | |||
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"Where do you get 90% recovery rate from? We don't publish it! What are the long term effects for those who have recovered? We simply don't know but rather than be bothered to track and trace (too much hard work for Boris and the Mengele of the NHS Twitty!) just play russian roulette with people's lives. Send the elderly back to care homes rather than have them as statistics. Do you really think an island like ours with 55 thousand deaths and counting compares well with neighbours like Greece or Denmark or Islands like New Zealand? The idiot public got what they deserved when voting for Brexit. As part of the"idiot public "(I'm only a lowly nuclear engineer) I doff my cap to your interlect. What my vote for brexit, has to do with corona puzzles me. Especially in a thread about teachers returning to work. Is" project fear" still raising its ugly head "I think probably what he means is that if you're stupid enough for Brexit you're stupid enough to think it's ok to put other people's lives at risk for your benefit. | |||
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"Greece and New Zealand are populated but are also larger in square feet than UK so population is still wider spread New Zealand also went in lock down straight away so reduced spread quicker Can't compare other countries to our own Climates are different and we all know heat supposed to kill virus " New Zealand is not warm at this time of year and cities like Auckland, wellington and Christchurch are heavily populated . | |||
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"I know this will be controversial... But just think .. IF the Armed Forces hadn’t taken the risk of going to war in 1939 cos it’s tooo dangerous (and many times since!) and not gone! When soldiers sign up to be soldiers it's with the understanding that they might get shot and killed, teachers didn't become teachers to risk dying. IF the NHS staff had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out. When you sign up to work for the NHS it is with the understanding that you will come into contact with people who are very ill and sometimes contagious, it's the job. Not so much teachers. IF the staff in Supermarkets had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out. Staff in supermarkets were given the option not to work, they were assured that strict guidelines would be adhered to in order to protect them. Teachers are being told they aren't allowed to wear PPE as it might frighten the children. We’d all be speaking German, having lost significantly many more of our loved ones ... and probably starving by now (but some selfish few still able to wipe their backsides).... so come on teachers - stand up and be counted, it’s your turn to shine now! R x When you've volunteered to put yourself in danger on a daily basis then you can talk about why you did it, you won't get to comment on why others don't however." So the NHS has a duty as does a soldier and it doesn't matter if they die as its part of their job Sad comment so it wouldn't matter to their families or people they leave behind as their expected to die Store workers had options yes work or live on sick pay many couldn't so work to provide for families and keep stores open to feed us Can't wait for the threads on raised income tax and other hikes to pay for all this furlough Teachers should be given the same option work and do the job your paid to do or go on sick pay see how you live Sorry wasn't a dig at all teachers as like said earlier it is too soon to send kids back but hate people who say people understand the risks in doing a job so it don't matter if they die cause its expected | |||
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They can only reopen when the danger has gone and our children are safe. Simples.
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"Greece and New Zealand are populated but are also larger in square feet than UK so population is still wider spread New Zealand also went in lock down straight away so reduced spread quicker Can't compare other countries to our own Climates are different and we all know heat supposed to kill virus New Zealand is not warm at this time of year and cities like Auckland, wellington and Christchurch are heavily populated . " Bet not as populated per square feet than London | |||
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"Where do you get 90% recovery rate from? We don't publish it! What are the long term effects for those who have recovered? We simply don't know but rather than be bothered to track and trace (too much hard work for Boris and the Mengele of the NHS Twitty!) just play russian roulette with people's lives. Send the elderly back to care homes rather than have them as statistics. Do you really think an island like ours with 55 thousand deaths and counting compares well with neighbours like Greece or Denmark or Islands like New Zealand? The idiot public got what they deserved when voting for Brexit. As part of the"idiot public "(I'm only a lowly nuclear engineer) I doff my cap to your interlect. What my vote for brexit, has to do with corona puzzles me. Especially in a thread about teachers returning to work. Is" project fear" still raising its ugly head
I think probably what he means is that if you're stupid enough for Brexit you're stupid enough to think it's ok to put other people's lives at risk for your benefit."As my career is all about keeping the public safe, and as I think schools are not fully ready to reopen, thanx for the "stupid" comment. Wish I could be as smart as you  | |||
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"Greece and New Zealand are populated but are also larger in square feet than UK so population is still wider spread New Zealand also went in lock down straight away so reduced spread quicker Can't compare other countries to our own Climates are different and we all know heat supposed to kill virus New Zealand is not warm at this time of year and cities like Auckland, wellington and Christchurch are heavily populated . Bet not as populated per square feet than London " Japan has double the population density of the UK. | |||
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"Greece and New Zealand are populated but are also larger in square feet than UK so population is still wider spread New Zealand also went in lock down straight away so reduced spread quicker Can't compare other countries to our own Climates are different and we all know heat supposed to kill virus New Zealand is not warm at this time of year and cities like Auckland, wellington and Christchurch are heavily populated . Bet not as populated per square feet than London Japan has double the population density of the UK." Brazil isn't exactly cold and they are suffering. More than a bit. Its also sweeping through Africa. Different strains and all that aand a bit like comparing apples and oranges. But still. | |||
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"Greece and New Zealand are populated but are also larger in square feet than UK so population is still wider spread New Zealand also went in lock down straight away so reduced spread quicker Can't compare other countries to our own Climates are different and we all know heat supposed to kill virus New Zealand is not warm at this time of year and cities like Auckland, wellington and Christchurch are heavily populated . Bet not as populated per square feet than London " The whole population of New Zealand is less than 5 million. They have a population/density of 46, the UK is 281! New Zealand is not a global transport hub, the UK is. I'm not putting New Zealand down, they have done an incredible job. But their circumstances favoured them in every aspect. | |||
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"So the NHS has a duty as does a soldier and it doesn't matter if they die as its part of their job Sad comment so it wouldn't matter to their families or people they leave behind as their expected to die Did I say it didn't matter? No, I said they took the jobs with an expectation of risk, it comes with the territory. Store workers had options yes work or live on sick pay many couldn't so work to provide for families and keep stores open to feed us Some stores have done this, others have advised staff it is their choice to work, regardless, safeguards have been put in place to minimise the risks in supermarkets. Can't wait for the threads on raised income tax and other hikes to pay for all this furlough Teachers should be given the same option work and do the job your paid to do or go on sick pay see how you live Teachers are not saying they won't go back to work they are saying they want it to be safe if they do. I'm not sure if you have small children but they don't tend to understand that they can't play with the friends they haven't seen for months, that they shouldn't stick everything they find in their mouth and then put it down again. Teachers are also being told they won't be wearing PPE as it may scare the children, so they are going in completely unprotected Sorry wasn't a dig at all teachers as like said earlier it is too soon to send kids back but hate people who say people understand the risks in doing a job so it don't matter if they die cause its expected Again, I didn't say it didn't matter, I said that both military and NHS staff (of which I'm one) take the jobs with an understanding of the risks that are inherent, teachers do not. I cannot understand this constant race to the bottom that people think is acceptable. The attitude that if some people have it bad then everyone should, are people really that stupid? Surely the point should be that if some people have it bad we stop that happening and bring them up to the level of the ones who don't?" Spot on. | |||
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"So the NHS has a duty as does a soldier and it doesn't matter if they die as its part of their job Sad comment so it wouldn't matter to their families or people they leave behind as their expected to die Did I say it didn't matter? No, I said they took the jobs with an expectation of risk, it comes with the territory. Store workers had options yes work or live on sick pay many couldn't so work to provide for families and keep stores open to feed us Some stores have done this, others have advised staff it is their choice to work, regardless, safeguards have been put in place to minimise the risks in supermarkets. Can't wait for the threads on raised income tax and other hikes to pay for all this furlough Teachers should be given the same option work and do the job your paid to do or go on sick pay see how you live Teachers are not saying they won't go back to work they are saying they want it to be safe if they do. I'm not sure if you have small children but they don't tend to understand that they can't play with the friends they haven't seen for months, that they shouldn't stick everything they find in their mouth and then put it down again. Teachers are also being told they won't be wearing PPE as it may scare the children, so they are going in completely unprotected Sorry wasn't a dig at all teachers as like said earlier it is too soon to send kids back but hate people who say people understand the risks in doing a job so it don't matter if they die cause its expected Again, I didn't say it didn't matter, I said that both military and NHS staff (of which I'm one) take the jobs with an understanding of the risks that are inherent, teachers do not. I cannot understand this constant race to the bottom that people think is acceptable. The attitude that if some people have it bad then everyone should, are people really that stupid? Surely the point should be that if some people have it bad we stop that happening and bring them up to the level of the ones who don't?" Every job comes with risks some may be more extreme than others but all have them Given an option to stay at home isn't the same as work or go home on sick pay as many have families to support Like I said I don't agree with schools opening yet but don't agree with selfish comments regarding other people's professions Teachers suffer a lot of stress so according to you that's OK as it's expected in their line of work Builders have the highest accident if not death rate but that's OK too as they know the risks Many soldiers fight for thier country and know there will be risks but they dont expect to die All jobs have risks so why is it OK for some to work during this time and not others Because its expected off them that's why | |||
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"I know this will be controversial... But just think .. IF the Armed Forces hadn’t taken the risk of going to war in 1939 cos it’s tooo dangerous (and many times since!) and not gone! IF the NHS staff had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out. IF the staff in Supermarkets had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out. We’d all be speaking German, having lost significantly many more of our loved ones ... and probably starving by now (but some selfish few still able to wipe their backsides).... so come on teachers - stand up and be counted, it’s your turn to shine now! R x I wouldnt know where to start with that." I do!!!! Someone has been reading the Daily Mail again haven’t they? Been going on about ‘loss of freedom’ but will change tack when the infection levels are going up??? Just let them stick to stories about house prices and the ‘murder’ of princess Diana... | |||
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"I’m a Teaching Assistant and dreading going back. How are we expected to teach children aged 3-4 to socially distance. And what if a child is injured or need comforting what are members of staff going to do then? Staff must socially distance also the nursery children will simply not understand " Not just me then. Last year I worked in schools and children's centres. You don't see children playing alone, they hug and grab each other constantly. Children bump heads, fall over etc and staff comfort them, apply ice packs, plasters etc. You can't do that from a distance: conversely, it would be frightening and counterproductive I'm sure for a little one to be taught by a teacher in ppe. | |||
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"I know this will be controversial... But just think .. IF the Armed Forces hadn’t taken the risk of going to war in 1939 cos it’s tooo dangerous (and many times since!) and not gone! IF the NHS staff had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out. IF the staff in Supermarkets had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out. We’d all be speaking German, having lost significantly many more of our loved ones ... and probably starving by now (but some selfish few still able to wipe their backsides).... so come on teachers - stand up and be counted, it’s your turn to shine now! R x" This tosh could have done with a risk assessment before being posted. Anyone who works in a school will tell you that the primary concern is that education takes place in a safe, ordered environment. Unless coherent procedures to combat infection with Covid 19 are in place, to allow the return of a larger number of children to school - and they aren't, yet - then a further pause should be taken. | |||
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"but primary school children weren't sent to war. to work in hospitals or work in supermarketsNo they where taken away from there parents and sent to live in different parts of the country.they had no help with there mental state,turned out fine. Today that would be not allowed we live in a mamby pampy world snd they will grow up as useless wets very sad Ah yes the halcyon fucking days of kids maimed and killed working for pennies in industrial death traps.. The not so good old days where adults abused them, what spiffing times.. Rubbish not in the second world war they went to the country to be educated " Children were evacuated during the war because of the potential damage to morale- not so they could be educated in the country. The government expected mass bombing raids from day one of the war and knew that hundreds of dead children each day would smash morale and resolve to keep the war going. Children were sent to live with strangers. It's well documented that many children were subjected to physical, emotional and sexual abuse. Some children were sent to Canada and Australia, never to return. I suggest you read a paper other than the Daily Mail for your "information" | |||
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"This is a really difficult one and I’m on the fence tbh... start by saying the summer holidays are coming up so another 4 to 8 weeks away from school ( which is valuable recovery time). So why not play safe option and leave return date till after? Issues however include... 1.Children’s safety balanced against need to learn and mental health/well being. 2. Teachers concerns about personal safety and schools concerns about duty of care (unions) 3. If they remain at home and parents need to go to work who looks after them?. grandparents not able to help in many instances 4. Travel to school... buses etc? 5. Private schools... still charging full fees! 6. Big or small schools the issues will be same... if covid gets into schools they could be the new rest home problem 7. Please let’s not start clapping for teachers... my hands are starting to hurt now... and whilst I remember are we all still washing our hands? Perhaps a reminder slogan is required as seems to have been forgotten especially for children about to potentially go back to school! 8. I now have new respect for teachers... I’ve had to be one for several weeks to 2 kids but it’s stressful one on one( or 2 in my case)... think parents are going a bit crazy now it’s a tough job! Teachers we love you but assume you are getting paid?.. I’m not btw and can’t go back to work because I’m being a teacher lol... and therefore not getting paid so catch 22 9. Some teachers are setting crazy generic tasks that ask far too much. Some are setting pointless online tick sheets. Usually no one person is overseeing what kids actually get so they all try and set big tasks... it’s not easy and we are all making it up as we go I guess. Obviously lots of issues that need solutions but we have to start somewhere... reception year and year one... pointless and crazy for all... year 5 and 6 you might stand a chance of social distancing. And finally with the summer ( not really) holidays coming up and everything likely to be shut perhaps we should start thinking about using this time wisely? Stay safe kids and teachers" Great post! Well done. You’ve captured a lot here.... Agree too. Stay sane parents. It’s been challenging to say the least! | |||
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"It’s the care homes and hospitals where the covid19 is focussed - not schools. Very low risk, the data and analysis shows this. Provide a face covering, regular washing of hands and use of sanitizer and get the children back in the classroom ." Have you ever met any children? | |||
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"IF the Armed Forces hadn’t taken the risk of going to war in 1939 cos it’s tooo dangerous (and many times since!) and not gone!" Surely the Armed Forces (or those very few who make decisions on their behalf) *do* sometimes not take the risk because it's too dangerous? That just sounds like basic risk assessment to me. Anything else would be idiotic. | |||
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I'm not sure if you have small children but they don't tend to understand that they can't play with the friends they haven't seen for months, that they shouldn't stick everything they find in their mouth and then put it down again. Teachers are also being told they won't be wearing PPE as it may scare the children, so they are going in completely unprotected Sorry wasn't a dig at all teachers as like said earlier it is too soon to send kids back but hate people who say people understand the risks in doing a job so it don't matter if they die cause its expected Again, I didn't say it didn't matter, I said that both military and NHS staff (of which I'm one) take the jobs with an understanding of the risks that are inherent, teachers do not. I cannot understand this constant race to the bottom that people think is acceptable. The attitude that if some people have it bad then everyone should, are people really that stupid? Surely the point should be that if some people have it bad we stop that happening and bring them up to the level of the ones who don't? Every job comes with risks some may be more extreme than others but all have them Given an option to stay at home isn't the same as work or go home on sick pay as many have families to support Like I said I don't agree with schools opening yet but don't agree with selfish comments regarding other people's professions Teachers suffer a lot of stress so according to you that's OK as it's expected in their line of work Builders have the highest accident if not death rate but that's OK too as they know the risks Many soldiers fight for thier country and know there will be risks but they dont expect to die All jobs have risks so why is it OK for some to work during this time and not others Because its expected off them that's why Soldiers, by their very nature, get shot at. It might not happen very often but when they sign up to do the job they know full well that they might be packed off overseas to get shot at or blown up by people. It's implicit in their jobs and the risk to their lives is enormous if they are deployed in a war zone. They sign up with full knowledge of this. Teachers take a job to educate children, the risk of contracting a killer virus is almost non existent in times when there isn't a global pandemic. Given this is the first global pandemic we have experienced in this country in a hundred years you can forgive teachers for thinking that the job they signed up to wouldn't put them at risk of dying. Do you not see the difference in this? Teachers do suffer from a lot of stress and no, if you'd been paying attention you'd have noticed that what I want is for people to stop this race to the bottom approach, however that stress is well known and teachers sign up to that part too. What I would prefer is a government that funds public services properly and doesn't place all it's emphasis on targets and cost cutting but for some reason people keep voting Tory so that one is out of my hands I'm afraid. I'd prefer a government that legislates against zero hours contracts and provides a much higher minimum wage whilst also making employers have suitable sick pay arrangements for staff but again, people vote Tory so... I'm not sure if you are struggling a little with comprehension or you are deliberately misinterpreting what I write but either way try to do better." If I have misread your comments then I apologise It's just becoming a very negative world people saying it's OK for certain professions to be taking risks as they provide a service to others I just don't agree No one persons life is more valuable than another's we all have family and friends who would be affected by a loss of a loved one Safe guards should be put in place for everyone in every profession but for some options have been limited cases of get on with it or get no money this is wrong People are afraid and many employers have used this to force workers to remain at work Not all jobs can be completed with social distancing but have continued Yes the government could of done more but it wasn't expected and they have had to think on thier feet so to speak and mistakes will be made We all need to try and be more positive during hard times and look forward to an end of it which could be years away We all have to accept that sooner or later all people will be back at work and a spike will happen we have to carry on trying to remain safe and offer support to others no matter how small the gesture | |||
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"It’s the care homes and hospitals where the covid19 is focussed - not schools. Very low risk, the data and analysis shows this. Provide a face covering, regular washing of hands and use of sanitizer and get the children back in the classroom ." What about the younger children in schools plus children in nurseries ? | |||
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"Greece and New Zealand are populated but are also larger in square feet than UK so population is still wider spread New Zealand also went in lock down straight away so reduced spread quicker Can't compare other countries to our own Climates are different and we all know heat supposed to kill virus New Zealand is not warm at this time of year and cities like Auckland, wellington and Christchurch are heavily populated . Bet not as populated per square feet than London The whole population of New Zealand is less than 5 million. They have a population/density of 46, the UK is 281! New Zealand is not a global transport hub, the UK is. I'm not putting New Zealand down, they have done an incredible job. But their circumstances favoured them in every aspect. " If population density is the be all and end all of COVID-19 spread how do we account for double digit new cases (24?) in London but still over 3000 in the UK? | |||
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"Ideas ideas ideas...no idea is a bad idea whatever is suggested won’t work for all but might work for some...adapt and overcome Schools are not set up for social distancing...yes true too many kids not enough space ( inside)... some schools have lots of outside space so create the school fete scenario but repurposed for outside lessons ( think nightingale pop up)... using inside and outside space to thin out the classes and make the best of what’s available. Marquees perhaps? Etc etc Surely we can think of some work rounds to make the best of the situation if kids do go back? Catering outside, pack lunches. Hygiene kits for each child ( like gas mask in the war but hand gel etc). Staggered start and finish times... Ideas on a postcard please? " My first thought is how would we staff the pop up school fete tents, then what happens when it gets cold or rains? There aren’t enough teachers to run classrooms of 30-40 children, we definitely won’t have enough to run classes of 15. Then if you say that you don’t need teachers in every room why would you need teachers at all? Who decides which classes get the qualified teachers and which gets the teaching assistants? Sending children to school not to be taught by teachers essentially means you’re sending them somewhere for childcare purposes, and that makes it all about the money, not the children. | |||
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"Ideas ideas ideas...no idea is a bad idea whatever is suggested won’t work for all but might work for some...adapt and overcome Schools are not set up for social distancing...yes true too many kids not enough space ( inside)... some schools have lots of outside space so create the school fete scenario but repurposed for outside lessons ( think nightingale pop up)... using inside and outside space to thin out the classes and make the best of what’s available. Marquees perhaps? Etc etc Surely we can think of some work rounds to make the best of the situation if kids do go back? Catering outside, pack lunches. Hygiene kits for each child ( like gas mask in the war but hand gel etc). Staggered start and finish times... Ideas on a postcard please? " You can pop up as many things as you like but you won’t then have the staff to cover them. All the obvious things like staggered times, thoughts around lunchtime provision are the relatively easy things to sort and have been planned for but that isn’t the issue. | |||
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"If I have misread your comments then I apologise It's just becoming a very negative world people saying it's OK for certain professions to be taking risks as they provide a service to others I just don't agree No one persons life is more valuable than another's we all have family and friends who would be affected by a loss of a loved one Safe guards should be put in place for everyone in every profession but for some options have been limited cases of get on with it or get no money this is wrong People are afraid and many employers have used this to force workers to remain at work Not all jobs can be completed with social distancing but have continued Yes the government could of done more but it wasn't expected and they have had to think on thier feet so to speak and mistakes will be made We all need to try and be more positive during hard times and look forward to an end of it which could be years away We all have to accept that sooner or later all people will be back at work and a spike will happen we have to carry on trying to remain safe and offer support to others no matter how small the gesture" It’s not just about the current crisis, the government has spent a decade running down public services and eroding employment rights. The pandemic is not their fault but the appalling way they have dealt with it is, as is the fact that we are unable to deal better with it because we just don’t have the capacity in our public services. | |||
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"If I have misread your comments then I apologise It's just becoming a very negative world people saying it's OK for certain professions to be taking risks as they provide a service to others I just don't agree No one persons life is more valuable than another's we all have family and friends who would be affected by a loss of a loved one Safe guards should be put in place for everyone in every profession but for some options have been limited cases of get on with it or get no money this is wrong People are afraid and many employers have used this to force workers to remain at work Not all jobs can be completed with social distancing but have continued Yes the government could of done more but it wasn't expected and they have had to think on thier feet so to speak and mistakes will be made We all need to try and be more positive during hard times and look forward to an end of it which could be years away We all have to accept that sooner or later all people will be back at work and a spike will happen we have to carry on trying to remain safe and offer support to others no matter how small the gesture It’s not just about the current crisis, the government has spent a decade running down public services and eroding employment rights. The pandemic is not their fault but the appalling way they have dealt with it is, as is the fact that we are unable to deal better with it because we just don’t have the capacity in our public services." Won't argue with that And wait till all this money from the furlough has to be paid back The workers will have to do that via higher tax more vat etc | |||
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"OP what do you mean it's 'there time' to stand up ! schools have been open since this began, schools have NEVER closed, teachers and all school staff have stood by and done their jobs and without the PPE that other sectors get. What the go government and selfish people want is for teachers to look after their kids while they get out and earn some cash, they don't give a toss about teachers they just want childcare, that's why they are concentrating on the youngest kids." You’re right, schools have stayed open and the numbers have been increasing throughout and all school staff have been exceptionally busy during those times. Not that it’s ever mentioned. | |||
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"It’s the care homes and hospitals where the covid19 is focussed - not schools. Very low risk, the data and analysis shows this. Provide a face covering, regular washing of hands and use of sanitizer and get the children back in the classroom . What about the younger children in schools plus children in nurseries ?" deaths figures show kids are less likely to die from covid, and research says they do not play a significant role in transmission. Deaths (Ages) 0-1 - 0 1-14 - 2 (with underlying issues) 15-44 - 382 During yesterday’s press briefing Jenny Harries answered a question about schools opening, and the risks. In short the risk is very very low . Schools should be open and children being educated . | |||
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"So the NHS has a duty as does a soldier and it doesn't matter if they die as its part of their job Sad comment so it wouldn't matter to their families or people they leave behind as their expected to die Did I say it didn't matter? No, I said they took the jobs with an expectation of risk, it comes with the territory. Store workers had options yes work or live on sick pay many couldn't so work to provide for families and keep stores open to feed us Some stores have done this, others have advised staff it is their choice to work, regardless, safeguards have been put in place to minimise the risks in supermarkets. Can't wait for the threads on raised income tax and other hikes to pay for all this furlough Teachers should be given the same option work and do the job your paid to do or go on sick pay see how you live Teachers are not saying they won't go back to work they are saying they want it to be safe if they do. I'm not sure if you have small children but they don't tend to understand that they can't play with the friends they haven't seen for months, that they shouldn't stick everything they find in their mouth and then put it down again. Teachers are also being told they won't be wearing PPE as it may scare the children, so they are going in completely unprotected Sorry wasn't a dig at all teachers as like said earlier it is too soon to send kids back but hate people who say people understand the risks in doing a job so it don't matter if they die cause its expected Again, I didn't say it didn't matter, I said that both military and NHS staff (of which I'm one) take the jobs with an understanding of the risks that are inherent, teachers do not. I cannot understand this constant race to the bottom that people think is acceptable. The attitude that if some people have it bad then everyone should, are people really that stupid? Surely the point should be that if some people have it bad we stop that happening and bring them up to the level of the ones who don't?" Excellent post The Tories fully exploit that race to the bottom tool and it works every time. | |||
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"It’s the care homes and hospitals where the covid19 is focussed - not schools. Very low risk, the data and analysis shows this. Provide a face covering, regular washing of hands and use of sanitizer and get the children back in the classroom . What about the younger children in schools plus children in nurseries ? deaths figures show kids are less likely to die from covid, and research says they do not play a significant role in transmission. Deaths (Ages) 0-1 - 0 1-14 - 2 (with underlying issues) 15-44 - 382 During yesterday’s press briefing Jenny Harries answered a question about schools opening, and the risks. In short the risk is very very low . Schools should be open and children being educated . I think you're missing the point, this is not about the danger of children dying, which I agree is minimal, this is about children spreading Covid 19 to other people and those people taking it home etc. Covid19 isn’t running wild in kids and teachers. Covid 19 is focussed in care homes and hospitals. Possibly because schools have been closed." They are still open, not closed. | |||
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"It’s the care homes and hospitals where the covid19 is focussed - not schools. Very low risk, the data and analysis shows this. Provide a face covering, regular washing of hands and use of sanitizer and get the children back in the classroom . What about the younger children in schools plus children in nurseries ? deaths figures show kids are less likely to die from covid, and research says they do not play a significant role in transmission. Deaths (Ages) 0-1 - 0 1-14 - 2 (with underlying issues) 15-44 - 382 During yesterday’s press briefing Jenny Harries answered a question about schools opening, and the risks. In short the risk is very very low . Schools should be open and children being educated . I think you're missing the point, this is not about the danger of children dying, which I agree is minimal, this is about children spreading Covid 19 to other people and those people taking it home etc. Covid19 isn’t running wild in kids and teachers. Covid 19 is focussed in care homes and hospitals. Possibly because schools have been closed. They are still open, not closed." Schools are not running as normal though are they? | |||
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"We used to be told "Dont come to me with a problem, unless you have a solution" There is a problem "kids not at school" The government has come up with solutions, the unions and LEAs aren't happy, but are they providing alternatives or just saying "No, not opening schools until its safe". All ideas need considering and discussing "no" is not an idea. 1/2 of each class in on alternate days. Forget the hands on equipment classes and concentrate on written subjects with some outdoor sports and activities. I would have started with top years in both primary and secondary though." The government have stated that you cannot rota children. They have to be in. They don’t agree that the older years should be in first. Teaching unions, unison, head teachers, teachers, support staff are not saying no. They just want it to be as safe as possible. I’m still at a loss as to why so many children have to be in school in one go. We have no idea how it will work out. If you think that vulnerable and keyworker children have been in since the start then adding so many children is quite a significant number. | |||
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"We used to be told "Dont come to me with a problem, unless you have a solution" There is a problem "kids not at school" The government has come up with solutions, the unions and LEAs aren't happy, but are they providing alternatives or just saying "No, not opening schools until its safe". All ideas need considering and discussing "no" is not an idea. 1/2 of each class in on alternate days. Forget the hands on equipment classes and concentrate on written subjects with some outdoor sports and activities. I would have started with top years in both primary and secondary though." The gmnt have made a decision.The unions have requested a discussion on 4 occasions. The gmnt have not responded | |||
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"We used to be told "Dont come to me with a problem, unless you have a solution" There is a problem "kids not at school" The government has come up with solutions, the unions and LEAs aren't happy, but are they providing alternatives or just saying "No, not opening schools until its safe". All ideas need considering and discussing "no" is not an idea. 1/2 of each class in on alternate days. Forget the hands on equipment classes and concentrate on written subjects with some outdoor sports and activities. I would have started with top years in both primary and secondary though. The government have stated that you cannot rota children. They have to be in. They don’t agree that the older years should be in first. Teaching unions, unison, head teachers, teachers, support staff are not saying no. They just want it to be as safe as possible. I’m still at a loss as to why so many children have to be in school in one go. We have no idea how it will work out. If you think that vulnerable and keyworker children have been in since the start then adding so many children is quite a significant number. " Are we not doing the same as the other countries? same test parameters essentially | |||
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"I know this will be controversial... But just think .. IF the Armed Forces hadn’t taken the risk of going to war in 1939 cos it’s tooo dangerous (and many times since!) and not gone! IF the NHS staff had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out. IF the staff in Supermarkets had said ... we’re not doing this cos it’s tooo dangerous and walked out. We’d all be speaking German, having lost significantly many more of our loved ones ... and probably starving by now (but some selfish few still able to wipe their backsides).... so come on teachers - stand up and be counted, it’s your turn to shine now! R x" Fuck me most schools can't control a outbreak of head lice how the fuck Do you expect them to cope with a deadly virus | |||
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"Let’s kick off by suggesting Reinforce the hand washing message... perhaps create kits for each child ( gel, mask, simple instructions/rules, wipes) labelled water bottle, own cutlery etc Outside space... must be a way to make this work surely safer and easier for all to be in bigger non confined space... yes it rains but we live in the uk we know that and many schools have big unused outside space used for events...events companies have little or no work repurpose kit accordingly perhaps? If teachers must or are going back give them a fighting chance. " Do you think 4/5 year olds will be able to use those kits? A lot of children will be frightened by masks and the government say it isn’t necessary. Schools have spent since September getting these little people familiar with their surroundings and happy to go to school and now we want them to go back in for 7 weeks with completely different rules and to definitely keep their distance. I would think that would do more harm than good. There won’t be much teaching going on anyway - do you have any idea how long it takes these little ones to hand wash? It takes a looooong time. How are working parents going to cope with these staggered times? I do think outdoor spaces could be used more with the correct planning but time not on their side. | |||
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"Hopefully by the time whole classes and schools are in the R is right down and new infections are low. Therefore an even lower very very low risk." The R is getting higher and now more people are out and about that will inevitably increase. | |||
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"It’s the care homes and hospitals where the covid19 is focussed - not schools. Very low risk, the data and analysis shows this. Provide a face covering, regular washing of hands and use of sanitizer and get the children back in the classroom . What about the younger children in schools plus children in nurseries ? deaths figures show kids are less likely to die from covid, and research says they do not play a significant role in transmission. Deaths (Ages) 0-1 - 0 1-14 - 2 (with underlying issues) 15-44 - 382 During yesterday’s press briefing Jenny Harries answered a question about schools opening, and the risks. In short the risk is very very low . Schools should be open and children being educated . I think you're missing the point, this is not about the danger of children dying, which I agree is minimal, this is about children spreading Covid 19 to other people and those people taking it home etc. Covid19 isn’t running wild in kids and teachers. Covid 19 is focussed in care homes and hospitals. Possibly because schools have been closed. They are still open, not closed. Partially open, With increasing numbers on a daily basis as people go back to work. Yes, so what will happen when they are expected to deal with large class sizes again? Social distancing is impossible at schools with large class sizes therefore it is not safe, the teachers have every right to refuse to work in this environment. " I suspect that a spin will be put on it so they have to go back. Because the government have said no large groups and socially distance, they have got themselves into a spot with schools. At some point schools will have to return and I suspect they will just call it an accepted risk because there’s no way out of it. A vaccine is way off and all germs spread in schools like you wouldn’t believe. It’s a no win situation. | |||
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"If it was important to send children back to school then you would start with the ones that could also understand the rules and not be too upset by masked up teachers and isolation circles to eat their dinner. Unfortunately these are also likely to be the children that will be ok to stay home alone whilst a parent works so aren't of any extra benfit to the get parents back to work agenda. I wouldnt have a young child go to school in this situation, besides the health risks, just because all these measures in place seem to wholly contradict what a school experience for a young child should be. " I agree | |||
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"If it was important to send children back to school then you would start with the ones that could also understand the rules and not be too upset by masked up teachers and isolation circles to eat their dinner. Unfortunately these are also likely to be the children that will be ok to stay home alone whilst a parent works so aren't of any extra benfit to the get parents back to work agenda. I wouldnt have a young child go to school in this situation, besides the health risks, just because all these measures in place seem to wholly contradict what a school experience for a young child should be. " I thought the reason to get some kids back to school was to free up working parents, our school is not educating the kids going back it's like a summer camp situation, hence why no parent is being penalised for not sending kids back, they won't be with their own teacher and not their group of friends, we have to decide whether our kids will cope with that in school and for us who have no choice but to send our kids to school or lose our jobs we just have to get on with it | |||
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"OP what do you mean it's 'there time' to stand up ! schools have been open since this began, schools have NEVER closed, teachers and all school staff have stood by and done their jobs and without the PPE that other sectors get. What the government and selfish people want is for teachers to look after their kids while they get out and earn some cash, they don't give a toss about teachers they just want childcare, that's why they are concentrating on the youngest kids. You’re right, schools have stayed open and the numbers have been increasing throughout and all school staff have been exceptionally busy during those times. Not that it’s ever mentioned. " | |||
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"OP what do you mean it's 'there time' to stand up ! schools have been open since this began, schools have NEVER closed, teachers and all school staff have stood by and done their jobs and without the PPE that other sectors get. What the government and selfish people want is for teachers to look after their kids while they get out and earn some cash, they don't give a toss about teachers they just want childcare, that's why they are concentrating on the youngest kids. You’re right, schools have stayed open and the numbers have been increasing throughout and all school staff have been exceptionally busy during those times. Not that it’s ever mentioned. " | |||
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"Something I haven't seen mentioned is about year 10 and 11,they want to phase them back first in the high schools Teachers have spent a great deal of time last couple months,sorting out predicted exam results,as when we locked down they were told the exams are cancelled My year 11 student should have been taking sixteen exams this month,the teachers and pupils had to come to terms with this and understood it all.officially year 11's finish school after taking these exams Now they want year 10 and 11's to go back for a month,saying exams will be next year,schools will have their new students of 20/21 to teach etc The students will hopefully be at college studying their future course,so when are they going to study and do exams in year 2021,and our school has no sixth form so how are they going to have the capacity to hold the exams So aswell as many issues with younger pupils returning,there are many issues with the older students too,which hasn't really been discussed yet " It hasn’t been mentioned much has it? The same with universities. Some clear information is needed around these groups. They will still take uni fees though | |||
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"If it was important to send children back to school then you would start with the ones that could also understand the rules and not be too upset by masked up teachers and isolation circles to eat their dinner. Unfortunately these are also likely to be the children that will be ok to stay home alone whilst a parent works so aren't of any extra benfit to the get parents back to work agenda. I wouldnt have a young child go to school in this situation, besides the health risks, just because all these measures in place seem to wholly contradict what a school experience for a young child should be. " i disagree , they have selected the ages whwre face time with a teacher is most important ... pre exams (the oldest kids), early base learning (the youngest kids), and the kids about to transition from primary to secondary they know they cant bring everyone back just now so they have assessed who needs that teacher time the most if it was just about childcare none of the older kids would have been included | |||
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"Another issue is staff with underlying health conditions, the clinically extremely vulnerable (those with a letter) can stay off. Those vulnerable (underlying health conditions but no letter) have to go in. Schools are supposed to put them in a lower risk area. Where would that be exactly? If you had underlying health conditions and no protection would you want to go in? Some of those people have chosen to isolate for weeks. Apparently I have to be in my tiny classroom with 7 year one children teaching 5 days a week not my usual 3 as well have no staff to cover,with no ppe! Whilst my own children stay at home with my eldest being paid to look after them "If schools open then you become a key worker, that means you kid's can go to school. | |||
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"Something I haven't seen mentioned is about year 10 and 11,they want to phase them back first in the high schools Teachers have spent a great deal of time last couple months,sorting out predicted exam results,as when we locked down they were told the exams are cancelled My year 11 student should have been taking sixteen exams this month,the teachers and pupils had to come to terms with this and understood it all.officially year 11's finish school after taking these exams Now they want year 10 and 11's to go back for a month,saying exams will be next year,schools will have their new students of 20/21 to teach etc The students will hopefully be at college studying their future course,so when are they going to study and do exams in year 2021,and our school has no sixth form so how are they going to have the capacity to hold the exams So aswell as many issues with younger pupils returning,there are many issues with the older students too,which hasn't really been discussed yet It hasn’t been mentioned much has it? The same with universities. Some clear information is needed around these groups. They will still take uni fees though "No it hasn't,maybe they have realised it's undo-able 
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"Teachers are scared - that’s ok and understandable. Everybody feels the same. Don’t let the emotion and fear drive the conversation and dialogue when there is evidence and logic to show there is no reason to be scared . " The teaching union have asked the government to meet there 5 tests. When they can do that they will go back into the physical classroom. My sister is a teacher and she has been teaching remotely since the schools where closed. I would trust the Teachers union and BMA over a jumper up lying Etonian broadsheet columnist any day of the week. | |||
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"Another issue is staff with underlying health conditions, the clinically extremely vulnerable (those with a letter) can stay off. Those vulnerable (underlying health conditions but no letter) have to go in. Schools are supposed to put them in a lower risk area. Where would that be exactly? If you had underlying health conditions and no protection would you want to go in? Some of those people have chosen to isolate for weeks. Apparently I have to be in my tiny classroom with 7 year one children teaching 5 days a week not my usual 3 as well have no staff to cover,with no ppe! Whilst my own children stay at home with my eldest being paid to look after them "i doubt they can force you to take on extra hours , you surely have a contract for your working pattern as for the bit about your own kids being at home ... i dont think thats really a fair argument teachers can’t argue that schools are not equipped to tale everyone back at once safely, so a phased approach is put in place to resolve, then at the same time say ah but now i dont want to come back because this phased approach doesn’t includes my kids ... its not physically possible to capture all kids and phase at the same time | |||
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"It’s the care homes and hospitals where the covid19 is focussed - not schools. Very low risk, the data and analysis shows this. Provide a face covering, regular washing of hands and use of sanitizer and get the children back in the classroom ." What data? There's been little or no data on this. | |||
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"If it was important to send children back to school then you would start with the ones that could also understand the rules and not be too upset by masked up teachers and isolation circles to eat their dinner. Unfortunately these are also likely to be the children that will be ok to stay home alone whilst a parent works so aren't of any extra benfit to the get parents back to work agenda. I wouldnt have a young child go to school in this situation, besides the health risks, just because all these measures in place seem to wholly contradict what a school experience for a young child should be. i disagree , they have selected the ages whwre face time with a teacher is most important ... pre exams (the oldest kids), early base learning (the youngest kids), and the kids about to transition from primary to secondary they know they cant bring everyone back just now so they have assessed who needs that teacher time the most if it was just about childcare none of the older kids would have been included " It it will be like starting all over again for these little ones. They won’t necessarily be in their own class or with their own teacher or their friends. Transitioning would mean R, 2 and 6 I’m not clear on why nursery and Year 1 should be in the mix. | |||
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"Teachers are scared - that’s ok and understandable. Everybody feels the same. Don’t let the emotion and fear drive the conversation and dialogue when there is evidence and logic to show there is no reason to be scared . The teaching union have asked the government to meet there 5 tests. When they can do that they will go back into the physical classroom. My sister is a teacher and she has been teaching remotely since the schools where closed. I would trust the Teachers union and BMA over a jumper up lying Etonian broadsheet columnist any day of the week. " I trust the CMA and the CSA. Teachers union and BMA are not scientists | |||
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"There is not a teacher out there that is not willing to do their part to support the children that we teach! Teachers have been doing their part since this started; setting up homelearning and putting an plan into place for key workers children with barely any notice, being in school teaching the key workers children, often having to take our own with us, setting work and supporting children virtually with their learning, supporting families and their wellbeing to name just a few. This isn't about teachers not wanting to do their part, being awkward or whatever else people are thinking. This is about being told to open back up with confusing and contradictory guidance. It is about having to open up when research into transmission through children is minimal. It is about having to open up with children that can't social distance and being provided no PPE to keep us safe. It is about having to go to work and be around 15 people that could not or could not transmit the virus. There are a multitude of reasons for schools questioning what we have been asked to do. CHN are to be kept in bubbles of 15 with an adult yet many schools are not big enough or do not have enough staff to make this feasible. In my school alone we would need 24 classrooms, 24 teachers, 24 TAs and that's without the CHN that need one to one support. We aren't allowed to consider a rota or a staggered timetable, we have to plan for the whole school to be back by July 1st when it is impossible. At a time like this we should be supporting each other not shaming people for being scared and worried for the health of their loved ones, the CHN they teach and lastly themselves. I sure do hope that y'all are happy to go back to or be at work with 15 others that know nothing about personal space and will cough and sneeze all over you in close proximity without any thorough research into whether that is safe or not. During the War schools did not open up until the War was over so I am unsure how that is even being used as a comparison. My hat goes off to all teachers across the country that despite the unprecedented times have kept education going for CHN at home and those that have to come into school and that will be back into school on June 1st despite the confusion and uncertainty. " why would you need both 24 teachers and 24 teaching assistant? what is the reason for needing to double up for a group as small as 15? im shocked at that , when i was at school you had 1 teacher for a class of 33 ...seems a bit overkill now out of interest who is stopping the rota and staggered timetable? i thought it was heavily implied this would be what happens | |||
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"Greece and New Zealand are populated but are also larger in square feet than UK so population is still wider spread New Zealand also went in lock down straight away so reduced spread quicker Can't compare other countries to our own Climates are different and we all know heat supposed to kill virus " “ Climates are different and we all know heat supposed to kill virus ” Heat kills the virus ? Temperatures are over 30C in Iran yet they have high infection rates. And it’s hot in Brazil too. | |||
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"Teachers are scared - that’s ok and understandable. Everybody feels the same. Don’t let the emotion and fear drive the conversation and dialogue when there is evidence and logic to show there is no reason to be scared . The teaching union have asked the government to meet there 5 tests. When they can do that they will go back into the physical classroom. My sister is a teacher and she has been teaching remotely since the schools where closed. I would trust the Teachers union and BMA over a jumper up lying Etonian broadsheet columnist any day of the week. " I'm sure that Michael Gove stated at one of the daily briefings that schools would not be re-opening until all of these 5 tests have been met. Not heard anything stating that they have been. In fact, I've heard precious little about these 5 tests at all since then. | |||
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"There is not a teacher out there that is not willing to do their part to support the children that we teach! Teachers have been doing their part since this started; setting up homelearning and putting an plan into place for key workers children with barely any notice, being in school teaching the key workers children, often having to take our own with us, setting work and supporting children virtually with their learning, supporting families and their wellbeing to name just a few. This isn't about teachers not wanting to do their part, being awkward or whatever else people are thinking. This is about being told to open back up with confusing and contradictory guidance. It is about having to open up when research into transmission through children is minimal. It is about having to open up with children that can't social distance and being provided no PPE to keep us safe. It is about having to go to work and be around 15 people that could not or could not transmit the virus. There are a multitude of reasons for schools questioning what we have been asked to do. CHN are to be kept in bubbles of 15 with an adult yet many schools are not big enough or do not have enough staff to make this feasible. In my school alone we would need 24 classrooms, 24 teachers, 24 TAs and that's without the CHN that need one to one support. We aren't allowed to consider a rota or a staggered timetable, we have to plan for the whole school to be back by July 1st when it is impossible. At a time like this we should be supporting each other not shaming people for being scared and worried for the health of their loved ones, the CHN they teach and lastly themselves. I sure do hope that y'all are happy to go back to or be at work with 15 others that know nothing about personal space and will cough and sneeze all over you in close proximity without any thorough research into whether that is safe or not. During the War schools did not open up until the War was over so I am unsure how that is even being used as a comparison. My hat goes off to all teachers across the country that despite the unprecedented times have kept education going for CHN at home and those that have to come into school and that will be back into school on June 1st despite the confusion and uncertainty. why would you need both 24 teachers and 24 teaching assistant? what is the reason for needing to double up for a group as small as 15? im shocked at that , when i was at school you had 1 teacher for a class of 33 ...seems a bit overkill now out of interest who is stopping the rota and staggered timetable? i thought it was heavily implied this would be what happens " Some schools planned for a rota but the government guidelines changed on Thursday night at 7pm. After all the planning. | |||
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"If it was important to send children back to school then you would start with the ones that could also understand the rules and not be too upset by masked up teachers and isolation circles to eat their dinner. Unfortunately these are also likely to be the children that will be ok to stay home alone whilst a parent works so aren't of any extra benfit to the get parents back to work agenda. I wouldnt have a young child go to school in this situation, besides the health risks, just because all these measures in place seem to wholly contradict what a school experience for a young child should be. i disagree , they have selected the ages whwre face time with a teacher is most important ... pre exams (the oldest kids), early base learning (the youngest kids), and the kids about to transition from primary to secondary they know they cant bring everyone back just now so they have assessed who needs that teacher time the most if it was just about childcare none of the older kids would have been included It it will be like starting all over again for these little ones. They won’t necessarily be in their own class or with their own teacher or their friends. Transitioning would mean R, 2 and 6 I’m not clear on why nursery and Year 1 should be in the mix. " because the early development years are key in setting people up in their education for life , kids missing out on that could end up behind for the rest of their life , and if this goes on for years and it turns out we are never able to bring kids back to school fully , surely its best to being them in for the early years to teach them the foundations they need to progress with home learning there after | |||
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"Teachers are scared - that’s ok and understandable. Everybody feels the same. Don’t let the emotion and fear drive the conversation and dialogue when there is evidence and logic to show there is no reason to be scared . The teaching union have asked the government to meet there 5 tests. When they can do that they will go back into the physical classroom. My sister is a teacher and she has been teaching remotely since the schools where closed. I would trust the Teachers union and BMA over a jumper up lying Etonian broadsheet columnist any day of the week. I'm sure that Michael Gove stated at one of the daily briefings that schools would not be re-opening until all of these 5 tests have been met. Not heard anything stating that they have been. In fact, I've heard precious little about these 5 tests at all since then." He did say that and the unions are asking for that but unfortunately it doesn’t fit in with the plans anymore. | |||
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"Teachers are scared - that’s ok and understandable. Everybody feels the same. Don’t let the emotion and fear drive the conversation and dialogue when there is evidence and logic to show there is no reason to be scared . The teaching union have asked the government to meet there 5 tests. When they can do that they will go back into the physical classroom. My sister is a teacher and she has been teaching remotely since the schools where closed. I would trust the Teachers union and BMA over a jumper up lying Etonian broadsheet columnist any day of the week. I trust the CMA and the CSA. Teachers union and BMA are not scientists " I’d trust my union who are an there to protect me. The CMA and CSA have not given any evidence of why they feel it is A) safe to send children back and B) why PPE is not required. There is no transparency. The teachers union have been very transparent and specific in there needs and requirements. | |||
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"If it was important to send children back to school then you would start with the ones that could also understand the rules and not be too upset by masked up teachers and isolation circles to eat their dinner. Unfortunately these are also likely to be the children that will be ok to stay home alone whilst a parent works so aren't of any extra benfit to the get parents back to work agenda. I wouldnt have a young child go to school in this situation, besides the health risks, just because all these measures in place seem to wholly contradict what a school experience for a young child should be. i disagree , they have selected the ages whwre face time with a teacher is most important ... pre exams (the oldest kids), early base learning (the youngest kids), and the kids about to transition from primary to secondary they know they cant bring everyone back just now so they have assessed who needs that teacher time the most if it was just about childcare none of the older kids would have been included It it will be like starting all over again for these little ones. They won’t necessarily be in their own class or with their own teacher or their friends. Transitioning would mean R, 2 and 6 I’m not clear on why nursery and Year 1 should be in the mix. because the early development years are key in setting people up in their education for life , kids missing out on that could end up behind for the rest of their life , and if this goes on for years and it turns out we are never able to bring kids back to school fully , surely its best to being them in for the early years to teach them the foundations they need to progress with home learning there after " I disagree. In some other countries they start later. I feel this return is going to actually be more distressing for a lot of these children than people realise. | |||
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"https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-30/children-with-coronavirus-may-be-just-as-infectious-as-adults That's got a big maybe in it. It doesn't change fact that with all the contact tracing done in the countries, it hasn't happened. Exactly. It's maybe that's being stated as an absolute fact on here. If children don't spread the disease then surely we should be looking at why that is. It may be the solution..." It may be the solution if we all could just become children again, or at least act like one. 
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