FabSwingers.com forum: Priti Patel is a piece of work

By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Independent - Anger as Priti Patel says NHS fees paid by foreign health staff must stay, just three weeks after announcing ‘review’

So Priti says 3 weeks ago that the Home Office was reviewing the fees (up to £8,000) that foreign NHS workers must pay to be here saving the life’s of us Brit’s.

Now it turns out the review says the rule stays. Has this woman no shame? People are putting their lives at risk to protect us - forget clapping for the NHS, write to your MP complaining about the inhumanity of this woman!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Did people seriously believe them with all the talk of rewarding the hard work put in?

Here is your reward..a pay cut.

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By *rofessor_MarcusMan
over a year ago

Chorley

A dreadful woman one could almost say a poison dwarf, apologies to Dr Goebbels.

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By *utualpleasure42Man
over a year ago

enter location here

Nothing surprises me anymore. Vile scum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We voted to get the Tory party in, sadly you only have ourselves to blame for this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We voted to get the Tory party in, sadly you only have ourselves to blame for this."

Bunch of muppets

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Does it not concern you that no other outlet is reporting this or that the story doesn’t mention any names for the quoted content they include?

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

We can still hold them to account. Just because they were elected doesn’t mean they are gods. They are there to fulfil the will of the people. As I said earlier, Clapping does nothing for these people. Write to your MP, it is an email with your name, address and postcode in the Constituency you live in. They will probably ignore you to start with, but when enough of us, politely, say this is wrong then it will makeenough of them change their behaviour - I remain optimistic!

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By *utualpleasure42Man
over a year ago

enter location here

I'm glad people are coming to terms that the current gov are scum. I admire these honest people. If only they would have know before. Media is a real harsh bitch.

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

Not a fan of the 'Priti' one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

It takes 5+ years to train nurses. What do you suggest in the meantime? By the way, the Torieshave been in charge since 2010, whose fault do you think the current situation is!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

remember at the next election to vote for a party that wants to boost nhs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

do not believe anything in the independant,guardian or huffpost,all lefty papers,which have run headlines/storys not very fied

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"do not believe anything in the independant,guardian or huffpost,all lefty papers,which have run headlines/storys not very fied"

Good man. Stick with the Daily Mail for all the real news.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would you expect anything less from a woman who worked for the tobacco companies as a lobbyist!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Every paper is biased left or right .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It takes 5+ years to train nurses. What do you suggest in the meantime? By the way, the Torieshave been in charge since 2010, whose fault do you think the current situation is!

5+years?

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Every paper is biased left or right ."

Possibly, but it doesn’t mean this isn’t true. It just means the Torygraph & Mail won’t run it as it is negative to the Tories...

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

It takes 5+ years to train nurses. What do you suggest in the meantime? By the way, the Torieshave been in charge since 2010, whose fault do you think the current situation is!

5+years?"

Degree plus on the job training. You don’t just rock up & say I’d like to be a nurse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Every paper is biased left or right .

Possibly, but it doesn’t mean this isn’t true. It just means the Torygraph & Mail won’t run it as it is negative to the Tories...

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not to bothered to be honest red and blue are both eating from the same trough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It takes 5+ years to train nurses. What do you suggest in the meantime? By the way, the Torieshave been in charge since 2010, whose fault do you think the current situation is!

5+years?

Degree plus on the job training. You don’t just rock up & say I’d like to be a nurse.

Having been in the job and currently a band 7 I'm well aware of that...i questioned it as its 3 yrs here and yes on the job training takes place but that is ongoing, you are a trained nurse from the time you graduate

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

It takes 5+ years to train nurses. What do you suggest in the meantime? By the way, the Torieshave been in charge since 2010, whose fault do you think the current situation is!

5+years?

Degree plus on the job training. You don’t just rock up & say I’d like to be a nurse.

So if we remove all the foreign nurses as some have suggested, it would only take 3 years to replace the skillset and experience...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It takes 5+ years to train nurses. What do you suggest in the meantime? By the way, the Torieshave been in charge since 2010, whose fault do you think the current situation is!

5+years?

Degree plus on the job training. You don’t just rock up & say I’d like to be a nurse.

So if we remove all the foreign nurses as some have suggested, it would only take 3 years to replace the skillset and experience..."

Not what I questioned was it?

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

It takes 5+ years to train nurses. What do you suggest in the meantime? By the way, the Torieshave been in charge since 2010, whose fault do you think the current situation is!

5+years?

Degree plus on the job training. You don’t just rock up & say I’d like to be a nurse.

So if we remove all the foreign nurses as some have suggested, it would only take 3 years to replace the skillset and experience...

Not what I questioned was it? "

I said 5 years for a qualified, experienced nurse. I washappy to move back to 3 years for qualified. My point is Priti Patel is screwing immigrant nurses and doctors. Some say we can replace them easily within the UK. You should know better than me that bursary’s went and the cost to nurses went through the roof. Replacing experience does not happen overnight, it will take 5+ years. The cause of this is not you, it isn’t me, it isn’t the foreigh workers. It is Tory policy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It takes 5+ years to train nurses. What do you suggest in the meantime? By the way, the Torieshave been in charge since 2010, whose fault do you think the current situation is!

5+years?

Degree plus on the job training. You don’t just rock up & say I’d like to be a nurse.

So if we remove all the foreign nurses as some have suggested, it would only take 3 years to replace the skillset and experience..."
No one is saying remove anyone, but this problem goes back year's, also NHS must take some of the blame.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,"

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It takes 5+ years to train nurses. What do you suggest in the meantime? By the way, the Torieshave been in charge since 2010, whose fault do you think the current situation is!

5+years?

Degree plus on the job training. You don’t just rock up & say I’d like to be a nurse.

So if we remove all the foreign nurses as some have suggested, it would only take 3 years to replace the skillset and experience...

Not what I questioned was it?

You actually said it takes 5+yrs to train a nurse.... This is a clearer explanation which makes all the difference.

The difficulty in recruiting staff is a lot to do with the abuse given to them while trying to do said job add to that the constant targets they are being asked to meet, which are never going to be achievable.... The govt most definitely have ransacked the NHS but general public have also abused both the system and those working within it. It's all very well out clapping on a Thursday but a couple of months ago some of those clapping were physically and verbally abusing nhs staff, I know because I'm subjected to it at least weekly if not more, govt were ripping the guts out of the NHS.... There was little respect pre covid, that's played a huge part in recruitment difficulties. It says it all when one of my nurses earns more an hour as a DJ than he does in his day job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic."

are you an idiot,and think that this hasnt to be paid for?you want to trip over the dead in the streets and workers dead at the desk?go back to school

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic.

are you an idiot,and think that this hasnt to be paid for?you want to trip over the dead in the streets and workers dead at the desk?go back to school"

This guy nailed it. Let's make the healthcare workers to pay for this.

What other choice do we have. Closing tax loopholes for the ultra rich or big corporations? That's just crazy talk. There's no way that the wealthiest sections of society should help.

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By *onny and clydeCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield yorkshire

A tory from consett.the sort who are poor but proud tories! Sit back and watch your govt slash your public services and pay for govt bailout

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A tory from consett.the sort who are poor but proud tories! Sit back and watch your govt slash your public services and pay for govt bailout

Wheres consett mate ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A tory from consett.the sort who are poor but proud tories! Sit back and watch your govt slash your public services and pay for govt bailout

Wheres consett mate ?"

Around the border with Durham and Northumberland

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Independent - Anger as Priti Patel says NHS fees paid by foreign health staff must stay, just three weeks after announcing ‘review’

So Priti says 3 weeks ago that the Home Office was reviewing the fees (up to £8,000) that foreign NHS workers must pay to be here saving the life’s of us Brit’s.

Why? This is what people who voted Tory voted for.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields."

he sold the gold before the economy went tits up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields.

he sold the gold before the economy went tits up"

Estimated to cost the UK tax payers around £7 billion.

Or to put in perspective. About one twentieth of what Brexit costs the British tax payer every year.

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By *Wman15Man
over a year ago

Altrincham

"A tory from consett.the sort who are poor but proud tories! Sit back and watch your govt slash your public services and pay for govt bailout

Wheres consett mate ?"

A few miles south of you

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"We voted to get the Tory party in, sadly you only have ourselves to blame for this."

What do you mean, "We"? I fucking didn't! I may have to suffer the useless fuckers' incompetence but I'm not to blame for enabling it.

As for Priti Vacant; maybe a journalist can ask her about her decision the next time she's at that podium?

If there ever is a next time.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic."

Well, obviously. This is just a continuation of the current situation. Tories being tories.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Every paper is biased left or right .

Possibly, but it doesn’t mean this isn’t true. It just means the Torygraph & Mail won’t run it as it is negative to the Tories...

not to bothered to be honest red and blue are both eating from the same trough."

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields.

he sold the gold before the economy went tits up

Estimated to cost the UK tax payers around £7 billion.

Or to put in perspective. About one twentieth of what Brexit costs the British tax payer every year.

why do you always bring brexit up? you always seem to squeeze it in no matter what the thread is about.like you know i dont vote but you seem to like taking part unfortunatley if you take part there are gona be winners and losers.guess you backed the wrong horse but seem unable to let it go

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic."

What do you suggest ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields.

he sold the gold before the economy went tits up

Estimated to cost the UK tax payers around £7 billion.

Or to put in perspective. About one twentieth of what Brexit costs the British tax payer every year.

why do you always bring Labour up? you always seem to squeeze it in no matter what the thread is about.

"guess you backed the wrong horse but seem unable to let it go" - I'm not sure what you mean?

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By *arksxMan
over a year ago

Leicester / London

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic.

What do you suggest ?"

If they hadn't already scared away business with a suicidal no deal brexit policy

Higher corporation tax

Infrastructure projects that diversify the broader economy and don't just build roads schools and houses.

Lower VAT to stimulate more spending in the economy and not rely on "money printing"

We need a party red or blue, black white that has an actual economic plan

What are the tories suggesting... Rinse and repeat the same shit show from the last 10 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic.

What do you suggest ?"

Maybe, just maybe, we could close some tax loopholes, make the tax dodging ultra rich and the tax dodging corporations pay up.

Why is austerity on the least well off in society the default option for Tory supporting types?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

It takes 5+ years to train nurses. What do you suggest in the meantime? By the way, the Torieshave been in charge since 2010, whose fault do you think the current situation is!

5+years?

Degree plus on the job training. You don’t just rock up & say I’d like to be a nurse.

So if we remove all the foreign nurses as some have suggested, it would only take 3 years to replace the skillset and experience...No one is saying remove anyone, but this problem goes back year's, also NHS must take some of the blame. "

Why?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic.

are you an idiot,and think that this hasnt to be paid for?you want to trip over the dead in the streets and workers dead at the desk?go back to school"

That post is dripping in irony.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"A tory from consett.the sort who are poor but proud tories! Sit back and watch your govt slash your public services and pay for govt bailout

Obviously well aware of its local history

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields.

he sold the gold before the economy went tits up

Estimated to cost the UK tax payers around £7 billion.

Or to put in perspective. About one twentieth of what Brexit costs the British tax payer every year.

why do you always bring Labour up? you always seem to squeeze it in no matter what the thread is about.

"guess you backed the wrong horse but seem unable to let it go" - I'm not sure what you mean?"

i meen yiu voted to remain .remain list yet you complain about it constantly its nit gona change the result if you moan about it enough.and why do i bring labour up.well the tories no there cunts and most people who vote for them know the torys are cunts aswell.whereas most labour fans on here think there party are great when in reality labour are a bunch of cunts aswell just to different peeps.plus its amusing

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields.

he sold the gold before the economy went tits up"

Do people get their political history from the beano?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A tory from consett.the sort who are poor but proud tories! Sit back and watch your govt slash your public services and pay for govt bailout

Wheres consett mate ?

Around the border with Durham and Northumberland "

Duh

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic.

What do you suggest ?"

So the people stopping the country falling apart are the 1st to take the economic hit?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A tory from consett.the sort who are poor but proud tories! Sit back and watch your govt slash your public services and pay for govt bailout

Wheres consett mate ?

A few miles south of you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic.

are you an idiot,and think that this hasnt to be paid for?you want to trip over the dead in the streets and workers dead at the desk?go back to school"

Im not taking personal abuse from a talking penis who literally uses a toilet roll on his profile pictures to show the size of his cock, would meet a ninety nine year old woman for sex and who joined the site over a year ago but still hasnt got any veris from other site members. I think you should go back to school bud. The "how to come across as an alright person on the swingers hook up site" school. Sorry everyone else rant over, but I'm not having this moronic shag sack insult me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A tory from consett.the sort who are poor but proud tories! Sit back and watch your govt slash your public services and pay for govt bailout

Wheres consett mate ?

A few miles south of you

Bloody southern puff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields.

he sold the gold before the economy went tits up

Estimated to cost the UK tax payers around £7 billion.

Or to put in perspective. About one twentieth of what Brexit costs the British tax payer every year.

why do you always bring Labour up? you always seem to squeeze it in no matter what the thread is about.

"guess you backed the wrong horse but seem unable to let it go" - I'm not sure what you mean?

Labour aren't in power, and aren't the ones running the shit show. So are less relevant in these discussions.

It's not only people who voted remain who lost on brexit. That's not how the world works. Brexit is a loss for us all. Aside from the ultra rich and those who funded it. Of course.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields.

he sold the gold before the economy went tits up

Estimated to cost the UK tax payers around £7 billion.

Or to put in perspective. About one twentieth of what Brexit costs the British tax payer every year.

why do you always bring Labour up? you always seem to squeeze it in no matter what the thread is about.

"guess you backed the wrong horse but seem unable to let it go" - I'm not sure what you mean?

Labour aren't in power, and aren't the ones running the shit show. So are less relevant in these discussions.

It's not only people who voted remain who lost on brexit. That's not how the world works. Brexit is a loss for us all. Aside from the ultra rich and those who funded it. Of course."

Three hundred and fifty million pounds a week for the NHS remember. Its was written on the side of a lovely big red bus Boris and Gove were deiving around the country on a jolly jaunt. Lets not forget that. Three hundred and fifty million pounds for the NHS every week. That's what Boris owes us...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields.

he sold the gold before the economy went tits up

Estimated to cost the UK tax payers around £7 billion.

Or to put in perspective. About one twentieth of what Brexit costs the British tax payer every year.

why do you always bring Labour up? you always seem to squeeze it in no matter what the thread is about.

"guess you backed the wrong horse but seem unable to let it go" - I'm not sure what you mean?

Labour aren't in power, and aren't the ones running the shit show. So are less relevant in these discussions.

It's not only people who voted remain who lost on brexit. That's not how the world works. Brexit is a loss for us all. Aside from the ultra rich and those who funded it. Of course.

Plus the £2.5 billion a week cost to the economy. He owes us that too. Just to break even.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the Independent is usually pretty balanced and was formed to get away from the right or left bias of most papers,the problem is if they report something the left don't like they get accused of being right wing,if they report something the right don't like they are accused of being left wing,you can't please everybody all of the time!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the Independent is usually pretty balanced and was formed to get away from the right or left bias of most papers,the problem is if they report something the left don't like they get accused of being right wing,if they report something the right don't like they are accused of being left wing,you can't please everybody all of the time!"

Sounds a bit like the BBC

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds a bit like the BBC

The BBC have been doing a pretty piss poor job of holding an incompetent government to account though haven't they? Although to be fair auntie up until the crisis hit they were being threatened with loss of the licence fee. Maybe that has something to do with it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds a bit like the BBC

Yep I would say Cummings has them over a barrel...the dodgy twat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic.

What do you suggest ?"

Borrowing. Interest rates are at an historic low and there has never been a better time for them to borrow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic.

What do you suggest ?

Borrowing. Interest rates are at an historic low and there has never been a better time for them to borrow."

They are borrowing from the Bank of England...in normal times it would see our GDP fucked. .but thisbis not normal times as nearly the whole world is in the same boat. But the beauty of it is the boe can write the debt off.

So no need for any austerity measures.

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By *arksxMan
over a year ago

Leicester / London

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic.

What do you suggest ?

Borrowing. Interest rates are at an historic low and there has never been a better time for them to borrow."

Have a look at the bond market... The tories are borrowing figures that would make Labour supporters wet their pants in excitement.

That borrowed money has to be spent... And the tories reaganomics "give to rich and watch it trickle through the economy to the poor doesn't work"

The last 10 years shows that

Not when companies like Google and Starbucks tell the treasury how much tax they want to pay.

Or every 8-15 reckless sectors of the economy knock on the governments asking loans, tax breaks and bailouts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She is, but I still would, wouldn't you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic.

What do you suggest ?

Borrowing. Interest rates are at an historic low and there has never been a better time for them to borrow.

Have a look at the bond market... The tories are borrowing figures that would make Labour supporters wet their pants in excitement.

That borrowed money has to be spent... And the tories reaganomics "give to rich and watch it trickle through the economy to the poor doesn't work"

The last 10 years shows that

Not when companies like Google and Starbucks tell the treasury how much tax they want to pay.

Or every 8-15 reckless sectors of the economy knock on the governments asking loans, tax breaks and bailouts"

Yeah but none of this makes for a very catchy Daily Mail headline.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic.

What do you suggest ?

Borrowing. Interest rates are at an historic low and there has never been a better time for them to borrow.

So no need for any austerity measures."
The BOE have said in an interview that they will carry the debt for ever if needs be, fixed at zero intrest. The country will pay it back over time but no rush so the economy can bounce back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

whichever party was in power they would have struggled with what was happening,to say things could have been done differently/better is looking at things with hindsight( a luxury you don't have when decisions have to be made),if labour were in power you would get tory minded folk moaning about things with tories in we're getting labour minded folk moaning,just the way of the word I guess,along with all the bar room experts who know everything about everything and criticise everything!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are currently 106,000 WTE vacancies in the NHS, and that is with foreign doctors and nurses. There are plenty of jobs going for 'our own' but they seem not to be taking them.

Probably doesn't help that the government removed the bursary for nursing students or that junior doctors could earn more stacking shelves at Tesco, if you break it down to an hourly rate, but hey let's just 'train our own'.

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By *oistknickersCouple
over a year ago

London

"We voted to get the Tory party in, sadly you only have ourselves to blame for this."

But why have we chosen this government with such a whopping majority?

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster

"She is, but I still would, wouldn't you?"
no I wouldn't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"whichever party was in power they would have struggled with what was happening,to say things could have been done differently/better is looking at things with hindsight( a luxury you don't have when decisions have to be made),if labour were in power you would get tory minded folk moaning about things with tories in we're getting labour minded folk moaning,just the way of the word I guess,along with all the bar room experts who know everything about everything and criticise everything! "

The problem with this statement is that it ignores the fact that the Tories have been in power for the last decade. Public services have been underfunded and cut to the bone which has left them unable to deal with the pandemic.

It may be correct to say that Labour would've dealt with the crisis just as badly but that would be down to the fact the Tories have destroyed public services.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It takes 5+ years to train nurses. What do you suggest in the meantime? By the way, the Torieshave been in charge since 2010, whose fault do you think the current situation is!

5+years?

Degree plus on the job training. You don’t just rock up & say I’d like to be a nurse.

And scarily allowed to take a team despite being nowhere near experienced enough to do so. There are very few nurses ready and able to do the job when they qualify from uni.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We voted to get the Tory party in, sadly you only have ourselves to blame for this.

But why have we chosen this government with such a whopping majority? "

Political naivety?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It takes 5+ years to train nurses. What do you suggest in the meantime? By the way, the Torieshave been in charge since 2010, whose fault do you think the current situation is!

5+years?

Degree plus on the job training. You don’t just rock up & say I’d like to be a nurse.

And scarily allowed to take a team despite being nowhere near experienced enough to do so. There are very few nurses ready and able to do the job when they qualify from uni."

Agreed. A friend of mine graduated last autumn and she's really struggling at the moment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We voted to get the Tory party in, sadly you only have ourselves to blame for this.

But why have we chosen this government with such a whopping majority? "

First past the post electoral system. The Tories only increased their vote share by 1.2% over 2017 and still got less than 44% of the vote, but gained 48 seats (more than 7% of the total). Meanwhile the Lib Dems increased their vote share by 4.2% and lost a seat.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic.

What do you suggest ?

So the people stopping the country falling apart are the 1st to take the economic hit?"

What do you suggest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We voted to get the Tory party in, sadly you only have ourselves to blame for this.

But why have we chosen this government with such a whopping majority?

An eighteenth century voting system not fit for purpose...

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By *oistknickersCouple
over a year ago

London

"We voted to get the Tory party in, sadly you only have ourselves to blame for this.

But why have we chosen this government with such a whopping majority?

An eighteenth century voting system not fit for purpose..."

The media is responsible in so many ways

The BBC are impartial, Laura Kunesberg chief political editor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic.

What do you suggest ?

So the people stopping the country falling apart are the 1st to take the economic hit?

What do you suggest"

That the people who are stopping the country from falling apart aren't the first to take the economic hit.

How about we make the top 5% of earners contribute more, make companies like Google, Amazon and Starbucks pay their fair share.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simplistic Drivel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic.

What do you suggest ?

So the people stopping the country falling apart are the 1st to take the economic hit?

What do you suggest"

Why is making the least well of in society suffer under yet more austerity, the only option you're capable of imagining?

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

At least anti semitism seems to have been cured overnight by voting Tory. I know its been a major worry in most folk lives for oh how long? Oh aye, a couple of weeks in November. And now we are here on the verge of punishing those we have have relied on most.

I honestly do not know how anyone who voted Tory can sleep at night. Shameful bunch of cretins.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic.

What do you suggest ?

So the people stopping the country falling apart are the 1st to take the economic hit?

What do you suggest"

Maybe start with those at the top who can easily afford it?

Radical I know.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

There are many foreign citizens here working in the NHS who deserve to have their personal and family fees waived.

Priti shameless is the face of what the conservatives are all about atm. Some people don't care to see past the facade of a pompous latin spouting mass genocide enabler for what they are

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

She’s not a piece of work. She’s a tool.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any party that was in power would listen to same advisors, and do pretty much same, with only cosmetic illusions / diversions to appease the public.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It takes 5+ years to train nurses. What do you suggest in the meantime? By the way, the Torieshave been in charge since 2010, whose fault do you think the current situation is!

Nurses training is 3 years. Although it should be 4. It can be 4 for those doing a double like mental health and adult nursing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is an ethical consideration The WHO keep an eye on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Any party that was in power would listen to same advisors, and do pretty much same, with only cosmetic illusions / diversions to appease the public."

Advisors advise, the government makes decisions. Don’t be fooled be what Boris is saying about following the science, Cummings is calling the shots here , not the experts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields.

he sold the gold before the economy went tits up

Estimated to cost the UK tax payers around £7 billion.

Or to put in perspective. About one twentieth of what Brexit costs the British tax payer every year.

why do you always bring Labour up? you always seem to squeeze it in no matter what the thread is about.

"guess you backed the wrong horse but seem unable to let it go" - I'm not sure what you mean?

Labour aren't in power, and aren't the ones running the shit show. So are less relevant in these discussions.

It's not only people who voted remain who lost on brexit. That's not how the world works. Brexit is a loss for us all. Aside from the ultra rich and those who funded it. Of course.

Anyone who considered that as a promise is foolish. I took it to mean we could IN THEORY spend that money on the NHS. Do NOT forget BREXIT did not arise with a political bias (although corbyn tried to make it such). I voted for BREXIT in the referendum. I voted Labour in the general election.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields.

he sold the gold before the economy went tits up

Estimated to cost the UK tax payers around £7 billion.

Or to put in perspective. About one twentieth of what Brexit costs the British tax payer every year.

why do you always bring Labour up? you always seem to squeeze it in no matter what the thread is about.

"guess you backed the wrong horse but seem unable to let it go" - I'm not sure what you mean?

Labour aren't in power, and aren't the ones running the shit show. So are less relevant in these discussions.

It's not only people who voted remain who lost on brexit. That's not how the world works. Brexit is a loss for us all. Aside from the ultra rich and those who funded it. Of course.

I think the implication of the bus thing was clear..if we came out the eu that money would be spent on the NHS.Whatever the nuances of interpretation it was a blatant lie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are currently 106,000 WTE vacancies in the NHS, and that is with foreign doctors and nurses. There are plenty of jobs going for 'our own' but they seem not to be taking them.

They returned the bursary - I'm lost time wise, last Sept or starting this September?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We voted to get the Tory party in, sadly you only have ourselves to blame for this.

But why have we chosen this government with such a whopping majority? "

One issue - to get BREXIT sorted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields.

he sold the gold before the economy went tits up

Estimated to cost the UK tax payers around £7 billion.

Or to put in perspective. About one twentieth of what Brexit costs the British tax payer every year.

why do you always bring Labour up? you always seem to squeeze it in no matter what the thread is about.

"guess you backed the wrong horse but seem unable to let it go" - I'm not sure what you mean?

Labour aren't in power, and aren't the ones running the shit show. So are less relevant in these discussions.

It's not only people who voted remain who lost on brexit. That's not how the world works. Brexit is a loss for us all. Aside from the ultra rich and those who funded it. Of course.

If you consider the purpose of brexit is to transfer wealth and power from ordinary people to big corporations, and the ruling classes. Then brexit is a small C conservative leaning and right wing concept.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Independent - Anger as Priti Patel says NHS fees paid by foreign health staff must stay, just three weeks after announcing ‘review’

So Priti says 3 weeks ago that the Home Office was reviewing the fees (up to £8,000) that foreign NHS workers must pay to be here saving the life’s of us Brit’s.

Whatbdid you expect from Tories but lie after lie.

Forget clapping, forget writing to your MP.

Never vote Tory.

It is the only way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields.

he sold the gold before the economy went tits up

Estimated to cost the UK tax payers around £7 billion.

Or to put in perspective. About one twentieth of what Brexit costs the British tax payer every year.

why do you always bring Labour up? you always seem to squeeze it in no matter what the thread is about.

"guess you backed the wrong horse but seem unable to let it go" - I'm not sure what you mean?

Labour aren't in power, and aren't the ones running the shit show. So are less relevant in these discussions.

It's not only people who voted remain who lost on brexit. That's not how the world works. Brexit is a loss for us all. Aside from the ultra rich and those who funded it. Of course.

I think the implication of the bus thing was clear..if we came out the eu that money would be spent on the NHS.Whatever the nuances of interpretation it was a blatant lie."

Tories always and only lie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It takes 5+ years to train nurses. What do you suggest in the meantime? By the way, the Torieshave been in charge since 2010, whose fault do you think the current situation is!

5+years?

Degree plus on the job training. You don’t just rock up & say I’d like to be a nurse.

And scarily allowed to take a team despite being nowhere near experienced enough to do so. There are very few nurses ready and able to do the job when they qualify from uni."

That's because the degree teaches them how to be leaders, how to research so that their practice is evidence based, and taught how to learn rather than a thorough teaching in anatomy, physiology of all body systems and pathology of diseases. Oddly enough very little is taught but guided.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields.

he sold the gold before the economy went tits up

Estimated to cost the UK tax payers around £7 billion.

Or to put in perspective. About one twentieth of what Brexit costs the British tax payer every year.

why do you always bring Labour up? you always seem to squeeze it in no matter what the thread is about.

"guess you backed the wrong horse but seem unable to let it go" - I'm not sure what you mean?

Labour aren't in power, and aren't the ones running the shit show. So are less relevant in these discussions.

It's not only people who voted remain who lost on brexit. That's not how the world works. Brexit is a loss for us all. Aside from the ultra rich and those who funded it. Of course.

I think the implication of the bus thing was clear..if we came out the eu that money would be spent on the NHS.Whatever the nuances of interpretation it was a blatant lie."

Sorry to say this but don't be so foolish. Nobody could foretell who would get in govt following the referendum, so how can it be promised? What I'm saying is that it did not form part of a party's manifesto.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields.

he sold the gold before the economy went tits up

Estimated to cost the UK tax payers around £7 billion.

Or to put in perspective. About one twentieth of what Brexit costs the British tax payer every year.

why do you always bring Labour up? you always seem to squeeze it in no matter what the thread is about.

"guess you backed the wrong horse but seem unable to let it go" - I'm not sure what you mean?

Labour aren't in power, and aren't the ones running the shit show. So are less relevant in these discussions.

It's not only people who voted remain who lost on brexit. That's not how the world works. Brexit is a loss for us all. Aside from the ultra rich and those who funded it. Of course.

Oh just bollocks.

And on that note - back to the thread

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields.

he sold the gold before the economy went tits up

Estimated to cost the UK tax payers around £7 billion.

Or to put in perspective. About one twentieth of what Brexit costs the British tax payer every year.

why do you always bring Labour up? you always seem to squeeze it in no matter what the thread is about.

"guess you backed the wrong horse but seem unable to let it go" - I'm not sure what you mean?

Labour aren't in power, and aren't the ones running the shit show. So are less relevant in these discussions.

It's not only people who voted remain who lost on brexit. That's not how the world works. Brexit is a loss for us all. Aside from the ultra rich and those who funded it. Of course.

I think the implication of the bus thing was clear..if we came out the eu that money would be spent on the NHS.Whatever the nuances of interpretation it was a blatant lie.

Because it was a promise?

Vote for Brexit and this will happen.

It was hardly subtle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would you fuck her? anyone ?

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By *r8t_WhiteMan
over a year ago

Torquay

Are people really this stupid?

Nobody comes to the UK to help the NHS or help nurse the English.

They leave their home country's health services for their own personal benefit.

Their choice to come here is based purely on selfish reasons.

The cost of managing this new disease is bankrupting our country and some are now calling for the NHS to pay for other countries citizens healthcare as well. Bonkers!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

too right... lets go back to a time when we taught "our own" and didn't cut all the teaching spaces for doctors and nurses in teaching hospitals.....

I wonder which stupid party in government did that....

(quick shuffle of papers)....

oh, you mean this party's last government!!!!!

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

"Are people really this stupid?

Nobody comes to the UK to help the NHS or help nurse the English.

They leave their home country's health services for their own personal benefit.

Their choice to come here is based purely on selfish reasons.

The cost of managing this new disease is bankrupting our country and some are now calling for the NHS to pay for other countries citizens healthcare as well. Bonkers!

WTF?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Are people really this stupid?

Nobody comes to the UK to help the NHS or help nurse the English.

They leave their home country's health services for their own personal benefit.

Their choice to come here is based purely on selfish reasons.

The cost of managing this new disease is bankrupting our country and some are now calling for the NHS to pay for other countries citizens healthcare as well. Bonkers!

You think if a nurse ir carer comes to work here they are doing it for selfish reasons?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Independent - Anger as Priti Patel says NHS fees paid by foreign health staff must stay, just three weeks after announcing ‘review’

So Priti says 3 weeks ago that the Home Office was reviewing the fees (up to £8,000) that foreign NHS workers must pay to be here saving the life’s of us Brit’s.

cmon.. be fair now!... she did give them an extra year before they would be "kicked out" of the country..... because kicking them out mid pandemic when they are actually helping and trying to heal us would be almost inhumane......

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Are people really this stupid?

Nobody comes to the UK to help the NHS or help nurse the English.

They leave their home country's health services for their own personal benefit.

Their choice to come here is based purely on selfish reasons.

The cost of managing this new disease is bankrupting our country and some are now calling for the NHS to pay for other countries citizens healthcare as well. Bonkers!

... They pay taxes here the same as anyone else?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It takes 5+ years to train nurses. What do you suggest in the meantime? By the way, the Torieshave been in charge since 2010, whose fault do you think the current situation is!

5+years?

Degree plus on the job training. You don’t just rock up & say I’d like to be a nurse.

And scarily allowed to take a team despite being nowhere near experienced enough to do so. There are very few nurses ready and able to do the job when they qualify from uni.

Do you know any student nurses?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Are people really this stupid?

Nobody comes to the UK to help the NHS or help nurse the English.

They leave their home country's health services for their own personal benefit.

Their choice to come here is based purely on selfish reasons.

The cost of managing this new disease is bankrupting our country and some are now calling for the NHS to pay for other countries citizens healthcare as well. Bonkers!

you do realise you are talking about almost every doctor and nurse (and there were thousands of them) who came here in the time of "windrush" to help the motherland..... and ended up staying!

my mum included...........

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Are people really this stupid?

Nobody comes to the UK to help the NHS or help nurse the English.

They leave their home country's health services for their own personal benefit.

Their choice to come here is based purely on selfish reasons.

The cost of managing this new disease is bankrupting our country and some are now calling for the NHS to pay for other countries citizens healthcare as well. Bonkers!

you do realise you are talking about almost every doctor and nurse (and there were thousands of them) who came here in the time of "windrush" to help the motherland..... and ended up staying!

my mum included..........."

This whole "foreigners are freeloaders from crappy countries" gets really old.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields.

he sold the gold before the economy went tits up

Estimated to cost the UK tax payers around £7 billion.

Or to put in perspective. About one twentieth of what Brexit costs the British tax payer every year.

why do you always bring Labour up? you always seem to squeeze it in no matter what the thread is about.

"guess you backed the wrong horse but seem unable to let it go" - I'm not sure what you mean?

Labour aren't in power, and aren't the ones running the shit show. So are less relevant in these discussions.

It's not only people who voted remain who lost on brexit. That's not how the world works. Brexit is a loss for us all. Aside from the ultra rich and those who funded it. Of course.

I think the implication of the bus thing was clear..if we came out the eu that money would be spent on the NHS.Whatever the nuances of interpretation it was a blatant lie.

Because it was a promise?

Vote for Brexit and this will happen.

It was hardly subtle "

And politicians always tell the truth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are people really this stupid?

Nobody comes to the UK to help the NHS or help nurse the English.

They leave their home country's health services for their own personal benefit.

Their choice to come here is based purely on selfish reasons.

The cost of managing this new disease is bankrupting our country and some are now calling for the NHS to pay for other countries citizens healthcare as well. Bonkers!

Who are?

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

"Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services "
We have to agree with this why are we taking nurse / doctors from country's that have paid for them to be trained? And why are these doctors /nurse abandon their own country's?

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over a year ago

It takes 5+ years to train nurses. What do you suggest in the meantime? By the way, the Torieshave been in charge since 2010, whose fault do you think the current situation is!

5+years?

Degree plus on the job training. You don’t just rock up & say I’d like to be a nurse.

And scarily allowed to take a team despite being nowhere near experienced enough to do so. There are very few nurses ready and able to do the job when they qualify from uni.

Do you know any student nurses?"

One incredibly well.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields.

he sold the gold before the economy went tits up

Estimated to cost the UK tax payers around £7 billion.

Or to put in perspective. About one twentieth of what Brexit costs the British tax payer every year.

why do you always bring Labour up? you always seem to squeeze it in no matter what the thread is about.

"guess you backed the wrong horse but seem unable to let it go" - I'm not sure what you mean?

Labour aren't in power, and aren't the ones running the shit show. So are less relevant in these discussions.

It's not only people who voted remain who lost on brexit. That's not how the world works. Brexit is a loss for us all. Aside from the ultra rich and those who funded it. Of course.

I think the implication of the bus thing was clear..if we came out the eu that money would be spent on the NHS.Whatever the nuances of interpretation it was a blatant lie.

Because it was a promise?

Vote for Brexit and this will happen.

It was hardly subtle

And politicians always tell the truth

Certainly not recently

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over a year ago

"Are people really this stupid?

Nobody comes to the UK to help the NHS or help nurse the English.

They leave their home country's health services for their own personal benefit.

Their choice to come here is based purely on selfish reasons.

The cost of managing this new disease is bankrupting our country and some are now calling for the NHS to pay for other countries citizens healthcare as well. Bonkers!

Many are here because, for the last 20 years, NHS managers go over to different countries and recruit staff.

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over a year ago

"Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services We have to agree with this why are we taking nurse / doctors from country's that have paid for them to be trained? And why are these doctors /nurse abandon their own country's? "

Because we don’t have enough doctors and nurses to run the NHS, and we are not taking them, they come of their own accord for a variety of reasons. I worked abroad and I didn’t do it because I was paid more, I did it because I wanted to experience other countries.

The problem with a lot of people is they can’t conceive of anyone doing things for reasons other than what they themselves would.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services We have to agree with this why are we taking nurse / doctors from country's that have paid for them to be trained? And why are these doctors /nurse abandon their own country's? "

Maybe because we have a shortage?

Turning on overseas nurses now. what a country we live in.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Presumably people would refuse life saving treatment if the dr wasnt born in good old blighty?

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over a year ago

It takes 5+ years to train nurses. What do you suggest in the meantime? By the way, the Torieshave been in charge since 2010, whose fault do you think the current situation is!

5+years?

Degree plus on the job training. You don’t just rock up & say I’d like to be a nurse.

And scarily allowed to take a team despite being nowhere near experienced enough to do so. There are very few nurses ready and able to do the job when they qualify from uni.

Do you know any student nurses?

One incredibly well. "

I work with newly qualified and student nurses a lot, there’s the odd one I’d trust on their own with a team but by and large they take time to gain the confidence and experience that’s required. They get there eventually but they are, in general, not ready when they qualify.

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over a year ago

"Are people really this stupid?

Nobody comes to the UK to help the NHS or help nurse the English.

They leave their home country's health services for their own personal benefit.

Their choice to come here is based purely on selfish reasons.

The cost of managing this new disease is bankrupting our country and some are now calling for the NHS to pay for other countries citizens healthcare as well. Bonkers!

Many are here because, for the last 20 years, NHS managers go over to different countries and recruit staff. "

Why do you think that is?

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By *r8t_WhiteMan
over a year ago

Torquay

"Are people really this stupid?

Nobody comes to the UK to help the NHS or help nurse the English.

They leave their home country's health services for their own personal benefit.

Their choice to come here is based purely on selfish reasons.

You think if a nurse ir carer comes to work here they are doing it for selfish reasons?"

Hahaha, is that even a genuine question?

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

"Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services We have to agree with this why are we taking nurse / doctors from country's that have paid for them to be trained? And why are these doctors /nurse abandon their own country's?

Maybe because we have a shortage?

Turning on overseas nurses now. what a country we live in.

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We were not turning on over sea nurses /doctors. Do you not think their country does not have a shortage as well? Still never mind as long as we get nurse /doctors on the cheap all is well in the world.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services We have to agree with this why are we taking nurse / doctors from country's that have paid for them to be trained? And why are these doctors /nurse abandon their own country's?

Maybe because we have a shortage?

Turning on overseas nurses now. what a country we live in.

We were not turning on over sea nurses /doctors. Do you not think their country does not have a shortage as well? Still never mind as long as we get nurse /doctors on the cheap all is well in the world.

It seems that way.

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over a year ago

"Are people really this stupid?

Nobody comes to the UK to help the NHS or help nurse the English.

They leave their home country's health services for their own personal benefit.

Their choice to come here is based purely on selfish reasons.

The cost of managing this new disease is bankrupting our country and some are now calling for the NHS to pay for other countries citizens healthcare as well. Bonkers!

Many are here because, for the last 20 years, NHS managers go over to different countries and recruit staff.

Why do you think that is?"

I don't have to think, I know. We have been in crisis regarding nurse shortages for around 20 years. I recall the first wave of nurses from the Philippines - they had to be taught up to our standards and were placed in band D, the next wave were degree nurses from New Zealand and became E grade nurses immediately.

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over a year ago

"Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services We have to agree with this why are we taking nurse / doctors from country's that have paid for them to be trained? And why are these doctors /nurse abandon their own country's?

Maybe because we have a shortage?

Turning on overseas nurses now. what a country we live in.

Then what would you suggest, close wards?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Why do you think a lot Philippine nurses train at home and then work overseas.

Philippines has a shortage of nurses ...

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over a year ago

"Why do you think a lot Philippine nurses train at home and then work overseas.

Philippines has a shortage of nurses ..."

It's becoming a worldwide problem.

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over a year ago

"Why do you think a lot Philippine nurses train at home and then work overseas.

Philippines has a shortage of nurses ..."

Are you saying that people shouldn’t be allowed to work in any country other than that of their birth?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Basically everyone should stay in their own country and no one should ever move for work.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Why do you think a lot Philippine nurses train at home and then work overseas.

Philippines has a shortage of nurses ...

Are you saying that people shouldn’t be allowed to work in any country other than that of their birth?"

I asked a question ?

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over a year ago

"Why do you think a lot Philippine nurses train at home and then work overseas.

Philippines has a shortage of nurses ...

Are you saying that people shouldn’t be allowed to work in any country other than that of their birth?

I asked a question ?"

I imagine for some of them it’s financially driven, they can earn more in the UK, is that an issue for you?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Why do you think a lot Philippine nurses train at home and then work overseas.

Philippines has a shortage of nurses ...

Are you saying that people shouldn’t be allowed to work in any country other than that of their birth?

I asked a question ?

I imagine for some of them it’s financially driven, they can earn more in the UK, is that an issue for you?"

Financially driven - exactly what I thought. No problem with that.

It does however clear up the notion that overseas nurses only travel to other countries to work out of a sense of duty

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over a year ago

"Why do you think a lot Philippine nurses train at home and then work overseas.

Philippines has a shortage of nurses ...

Are you saying that people shouldn’t be allowed to work in any country other than that of their birth?"

They can work wherever, but it's not ethical to poach (recruit) them in droves. When the nurse shortage was 5 years old, 10 or 15, the then govts should have looked at problem and looked for a long term solution such as investing in home grown staff. The bursary should never ever ever have been taken away. And students should never have been in situ to support wards, short staffed. Managers have looked at students as a free pair of hands and quite often have failed to be 100% supportive in their training.

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

So basically we are now at the stage that members of the public don't think NHS staff should get a wage rise because some staff are immigrants.

I hope those with that opinion and the racial tones never use the NHS let alone clapped for them

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"So basically we are now at the stage that members of the public don't think NHS staff should get a wage rise because some staff are immigrants.

I hope those with that opinion and the racial tones never use the NHS let alone clapped for them"

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

"Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services We have to agree with this why are we taking nurse / doctors from country's that have paid for them to be trained? And why are these doctors /nurse abandon their own country's?

Maybe because we have a shortage?

Turning on overseas nurses now. what a country we live in.

Then what would you suggest, close wards?"
Look after the nurses/ doctors we have already trained but lost because of the pressures of the job like 13hrs shift without a break etc. Its not rocket science just common senses. Look after your work force and you will have people banging at the door to be trained.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Why do you think a lot Philippine nurses train at home and then work overseas.

Philippines has a shortage of nurses ...

Are you saying that people shouldn’t be allowed to work in any country other than that of their birth?

I asked a question ?

I imagine for some of them it’s financially driven, they can earn more in the UK, is that an issue for you?

Financially driven - exactly what I thought. No problem with that.

It does however clear up the notion that overseas nurses only travel to other countries to work out of a sense of duty

Indeed.

all those porters must ve laughing all the way to the bank with those over inflated salaries and cushy working conditions.

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over a year ago

"Why do you think a lot Philippine nurses train at home and then work overseas.

Philippines has a shortage of nurses ...

Are you saying that people shouldn’t be allowed to work in any country other than that of their birth?

I asked a question ?

I imagine for some of them it’s financially driven, they can earn more in the UK, is that an issue for you?

Financially driven - exactly what I thought. No problem with that.

It does however clear up the notion that overseas nurses only travel to other countries to work out of a sense of duty

I don’t think anyone’s suggested that have they?

I think people acknowledge that people go to other countries to work for a variety of reasons, and one of those is financial.

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over a year ago

"So basically we are now at the stage that members of the public don't think NHS staff should get a wage rise because some staff are immigrants.

I hope those with that opinion and the racial tones never use the NHS let alone clapped for them"

Is there actually anyone on this thread pushing for a pay freeze?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services We have to agree with this why are we taking nurse / doctors from country's that have paid for them to be trained? And why are these doctors /nurse abandon their own country's?

Maybe because we have a shortage?

Turning on overseas nurses now. what a country we live in.

Then what would you suggest, close wards?Look after the nurses/ doctors we have already trained but lost because of the pressures of the job like 13hrs shift without a break etc. Its not rocket science just common senses. Look after your work force and you will have people banging at the door to be trained."

You realise practically every public service has not only been cut to the bone in the last 10 years,but the pay and pensions have also been savaged.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Why do you think a lot Philippine nurses train at home and then work overseas.

Philippines has a shortage of nurses ...

Are you saying that people shouldn’t be allowed to work in any country other than that of their birth?

I asked a question ?

I imagine for some of them it’s financially driven, they can earn more in the UK, is that an issue for you?

Financially driven - exactly what I thought. No problem with that.

It does however clear up the notion that overseas nurses only travel to other countries to work out of a sense of duty

I don’t think anyone’s suggested that have they?

I think people acknowledge that people go to other countries to work for a variety of reasons, and one of those is financial."

Good, we agree.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So basically we are now at the stage that members of the public don't think NHS staff should get a wage rise because some staff are immigrants.

I hope those with that opinion and the racial tones never use the NHS let alone clapped for them

Is there actually anyone on this thread pushing for a pay freeze? "

Well someone called them greedy.

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over a year ago

"So basically we are now at the stage that members of the public don't think NHS staff should get a wage rise because some staff are immigrants.

I hope those with that opinion and the racial tones never use the NHS let alone clapped for them

Is there actually anyone on this thread pushing for a pay freeze?

Well someone called them greedy."

Is that your interpretation on someone mentioning financial gain?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So basically we are now at the stage that members of the public don't think NHS staff should get a wage rise because some staff are immigrants.

I hope those with that opinion and the racial tones never use the NHS let alone clapped for them

Is there actually anyone on this thread pushing for a pay freeze?

Well someone called them greedy.

Is that your interpretation on someone mentioning financial gain? "

I apologise.They were called selfish.

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

"Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services We have to agree with this why are we taking nurse / doctors from country's that have paid for them to be trained? And why are these doctors /nurse abandon their own country's?

Maybe because we have a shortage?

Turning on overseas nurses now. what a country we live in.

You realise practically every public service has not only been cut to the bone in the last 10 years,but the pay and pensions have also been savaged."
Its not only about pay but working condition, simple things like being able to have a lunch break.Is that to much to ask???

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services We have to agree with this why are we taking nurse / doctors from country's that have paid for them to be trained? And why are these doctors /nurse abandon their own country's?

Maybe because we have a shortage?

Turning on overseas nurses now. what a country we live in.

You realise practically every public service has not only been cut to the bone in the last 10 years,but the pay and pensions have also been savaged.Its not only about pay but working condition, simple things like being able to have a lunch break.Is that to much to ask??? "

Of course not.

But who's responsibility is this?

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over a year ago

"So basically we are now at the stage that members of the public don't think NHS staff should get a wage rise because some staff are immigrants.

I hope those with that opinion and the racial tones never use the NHS let alone clapped for them

Is there actually anyone on this thread pushing for a pay freeze?

Well someone called them greedy.

Is that your interpretation on someone mentioning financial gain?

I apologise.They were called selfish."

I'll return to my question of is anyone pushing for an nhs pay freeze?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services We have to agree with this why are we taking nurse / doctors from country's that have paid for them to be trained? And why are these doctors /nurse abandon their own country's?

Maybe because we have a shortage?

Turning on overseas nurses now. what a country we live in.

We have 44,000 nursing vacancies and a government that is doing it’s best to increase that number by getting rid of the bursary.

Without foreign nurses we would have over 65,000 vacancies and we would have close hospitals. If you don’t have enough staff then you simply can’t look after the staff you have, we need more nurses to keep our hospitals safe and we are going to recruit them from wherever we can get them.

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over a year ago

"well,could be the labour years before,spent all our money on their comrade utopia,so much brown had to sell our gold cheap just to keep the country going,

Nothing to do with the global financial crash then? Coincidence?

Maybe we need to go back further to find whose really to blame for this horrendous government.

King Arthur maybe? Spent a fair wedge on swords and shields.

he sold the gold before the economy went tits up

Estimated to cost the UK tax payers around £7 billion.

Or to put in perspective. About one twentieth of what Brexit costs the British tax payer every year.

why do you always bring Labour up? you always seem to squeeze it in no matter what the thread is about.

"guess you backed the wrong horse but seem unable to let it go" - I'm not sure what you mean?

Labour aren't in power, and aren't the ones running the shit show. So are less relevant in these discussions.

It's not only people who voted remain who lost on brexit. That's not how the world works. Brexit is a loss for us all. Aside from the ultra rich and those who funded it. Of course.

I think the implication of the bus thing was clear..if we came out the eu that money would be spent on the NHS.Whatever the nuances of interpretation it was a blatant lie.

The bus was 100% indended tondeceive and misguide. That is why the wording was chosen as it was.

Boris should in our opinion be in jail.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So basically we are now at the stage that members of the public don't think NHS staff should get a wage rise because some staff are immigrants.

I hope those with that opinion and the racial tones never use the NHS let alone clapped for them

Is there actually anyone on this thread pushing for a pay freeze?

Well someone called them greedy.

Is that your interpretation on someone mentioning financial gain?

I apologise.They were called selfish.

I'll return to my question of is anyone pushing for an nhs pay freeze? "

I'm not sure what your point is tbh.

Someone suggested nurses/carers etc are coming over here for selfish reasons?I queried that as they are hardly society's big earners.

In answer to your question soneone earlier asked that when pay freezes were mentioned..how else would we pay for the furlough.?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic.

What do you suggest ?"

Here.

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

"Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services We have to agree with this why are we taking nurse / doctors from country's that have paid for them to be trained? And why are these doctors /nurse abandon their own country's?

Maybe because we have a shortage?

Turning on overseas nurses now. what a country we live in.

Of course not.

But who's responsibility is this?"
Its ours. We stand and clap on a Thursday and pat ourselves on the back for doing this as it makes us feel good but we do not anything that would change the working practices and condition for NHS staff.

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over a year ago

"So basically we are now at the stage that members of the public don't think NHS staff should get a wage rise because some staff are immigrants.

I hope those with that opinion and the racial tones never use the NHS let alone clapped for them

Is there actually anyone on this thread pushing for a pay freeze?

Well someone called them greedy.

Is that your interpretation on someone mentioning financial gain?

I apologise.They were called selfish.

I'll return to my question of is anyone pushing for an nhs pay freeze?

I'm not sure what your point is tbh.

Someone suggested nurses/carers etc are coming over here for selfish reasons?I queried that as they are hardly society's big earners.

In answer to your question soneone earlier asked that when pay freezes were mentioned..how else would we pay for the furlough.?"

What's the issue with a nurse wanting to move to the UK from say the Phillipinnes for better pay and working conditions? Is that what they mean by "selfish"?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services We have to agree with this why are we taking nurse / doctors from country's that have paid for them to be trained? And why are these doctors /nurse abandon their own country's?

Maybe because we have a shortage?

Turning on overseas nurses now. what a country we live in.

Of course not.

But who's responsibility is this?Its ours. We stand and clap on a Thursday and pat ourselves on the back for doing this as it makes us feel good but we do not anything that would change the working practices and condition for NHS staff."

Well said

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services We have to agree with this why are we taking nurse / doctors from country's that have paid for them to be trained? And why are these doctors /nurse abandon their own country's?

Maybe because we have a shortage?

Turning on overseas nurses now. what a country we live in.

Of course not.

What can we do exactly?

Personally I'd say it was the gmnts.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So basically we are now at the stage that members of the public don't think NHS staff should get a wage rise because some staff are immigrants.

I hope those with that opinion and the racial tones never use the NHS let alone clapped for them

Is there actually anyone on this thread pushing for a pay freeze?

Well someone called them greedy.

Is that your interpretation on someone mentioning financial gain?

I apologise.They were called selfish.

I'll return to my question of is anyone pushing for an nhs pay freeze?

I'm not sure what your point is tbh.

Someone suggested nurses/carers etc are coming over here for selfish reasons?I queried that as they are hardly society's big earners.

In answer to your question soneone earlier asked that when pay freezes were mentioned..how else would we pay for the furlough.?

What's the issue with a nurse wanting to move to the UK from say the Phillipinnes for better pay and working conditions? Is that what they mean by "selfish"?"

Apparently so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services We have to agree with this why are we taking nurse / doctors from country's that have paid for them to be trained? And why are these doctors /nurse abandon their own country's?

Maybe because we have a shortage?

Turning on overseas nurses now. what a country we live in.

We have 44,000 nursing vacancies and a government that is doing it’s best to increase that number by getting rid of the bursary.

And that is just NHS England. 20% of the nursing workforce is non-White (not that that equates to non-British).

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services We have to agree with this why are we taking nurse / doctors from country's that have paid for them to be trained? And why are these doctors /nurse abandon their own country's?

Maybe because we have a shortage?

Turning on overseas nurses now. what a country we live in.

Of course not.

What can we do exactly?

Personally I'd say it was the gmnts."

Petition our MPs, make our support widely known. Vote.

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over a year ago

"So basically we are now at the stage that members of the public don't think NHS staff should get a wage rise because some staff are immigrants.

I hope those with that opinion and the racial tones never use the NHS let alone clapped for them

Is there actually anyone on this thread pushing for a pay freeze?

Well someone called them greedy.

Is that your interpretation on someone mentioning financial gain?

I apologise.They were called selfish.

I'll return to my question of is anyone pushing for an nhs pay freeze?

I'm not sure what your point is tbh.

Someone suggested nurses/carers etc are coming over here for selfish reasons?I queried that as they are hardly society's big earners.

In answer to your question soneone earlier asked that when pay freezes were mentioned..how else would we pay for the furlough.?"

Make big corp.pay proper tax. Stop giving pay rises to mps who hardly earn a 3rd of their pay.

Stop allowing people to use tax loopholes. Stop spending vast sums on utter shit i.e millenium dome millenium bridge Hs2. Sack the royals

Dump trident.

So many many ways.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services We have to agree with this why are we taking nurse / doctors from country's that have paid for them to be trained? And why are these doctors /nurse abandon their own country's?

Maybe because we have a shortage?

Turning on overseas nurses now. what a country we live in.

Of course not.

What can we do exactly?

Personally I'd say it was the gmnts.

Petition our MPs, make our support widely known. Vote."

I do vote.

I voted for a party that didnt lie about building new hospitals and numbers of nurses etc but sadly they didnt win.

The gmnt runs the nhs..short of mass organised protests I'm not sure what we could do.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So basically we are now at the stage that members of the public don't think NHS staff should get a wage rise because some staff are immigrants.

I hope those with that opinion and the racial tones never use the NHS let alone clapped for them

Is there actually anyone on this thread pushing for a pay freeze?

Well someone called them greedy.

Is that your interpretation on someone mentioning financial gain?

I apologise.They were called selfish.

I'll return to my question of is anyone pushing for an nhs pay freeze?

I'm not sure what your point is tbh.

Someone suggested nurses/carers etc are coming over here for selfish reasons?I queried that as they are hardly society's big earners.

In answer to your question soneone earlier asked that when pay freezes were mentioned..how else would we pay for the furlough.?

Make big corp.pay proper tax. Stop giving pay rises to mps who hardly earn a 3rd of their pay.

Stop allowing people to use tax loopholes. Stop spending vast sums on utter shit i.e millenium dome millenium bridge Hs2. Sack the royals

Dump trident.

So many many ways.

Agreed 100%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So basically we are now at the stage that members of the public don't think NHS staff should get a wage rise because some staff are immigrants.

I hope those with that opinion and the racial tones never use the NHS let alone clapped for them

Is there actually anyone on this thread pushing for a pay freeze?

Well someone called them greedy.

Is that your interpretation on someone mentioning financial gain?

I apologise.They were called selfish.

I'll return to my question of is anyone pushing for an nhs pay freeze?

I'm not sure what your point is tbh.

Someone suggested nurses/carers etc are coming over here for selfish reasons?I queried that as they are hardly society's big earners.

In answer to your question soneone earlier asked that when pay freezes were mentioned..how else would we pay for the furlough.?"

At the top of this post re NHS not getting pay rise (=pay freeze) and I wanted to know if anyone here on this thread was pushing for one.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services We have to agree with this why are we taking nurse / doctors from country's that have paid for them to be trained? And why are these doctors /nurse abandon their own country's?

Maybe because we have a shortage?

Turning on overseas nurses now. what a country we live in.

Of course not.

What can we do exactly?

Personally I'd say it was the gmnts.

Petition our MPs, make our support widely known. Vote.

I do vote.

I voted for a party that didnt lie about building new hospitals and numbers of nurses etc but sadly they didnt win.

The gmnt runs the nhs..short of mass organised protests I'm not sure what we could do."

So did/do I. But that's what we can do.

I think they follow public opinion to an extent.

It's incomplete as a solution I know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic.

What do you suggest ?

Here."

That doesn't mention immigrants

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The tories are also floating the idea of a three year public sector pay freeze and austerity cuts to "pay" for the pandemic.

What do you suggest ?

Here.

That doesn't mention immigrants

About 4 other posters mentioned overseas nurses

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"how else would we pay for the furlough.?

A country's economy is not the same as paying off a credit card debt.

Many economists disagreed with the austerity approach to the last recession, there are plenty of other options - can easily Google 'alternatives to austerity' and see this, especially how Portugal did things with a lot of success.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So basically we are now at the stage that members of the public don't think NHS staff should get a wage rise because some staff are immigrants.

I hope those with that opinion and the racial tones never use the NHS let alone clapped for them

Is there actually anyone on this thread pushing for a pay freeze?

Well someone called them greedy.

Is that your interpretation on someone mentioning financial gain?

I apologise.They were called selfish.

I'll return to my question of is anyone pushing for an nhs pay freeze?

I'm not sure what your point is tbh.

Someone suggested nurses/carers etc are coming over here for selfish reasons?I queried that as they are hardly society's big earners.

In answer to your question soneone earlier asked that when pay freezes were mentioned..how else would we pay for the furlough.?

At the top of this post re NHS not getting pay rise (=pay freeze) and I wanted to know if anyone here on this thread was pushing for one. "

I just quoted one

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"how else would we pay for the furlough.?

A country's economy is not the same as paying off a credit card debt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So basically we are now at the stage that members of the public don't think NHS staff should get a wage rise because some staff are immigrants.

I hope those with that opinion and the racial tones never use the NHS let alone clapped for them

Is there actually anyone on this thread pushing for a pay freeze?

Well someone called them greedy.

Is that your interpretation on someone mentioning financial gain?

I apologise.They were called selfish.

I'll return to my question of is anyone pushing for an nhs pay freeze?

I'm not sure what your point is tbh.

Someone suggested nurses/carers etc are coming over here for selfish reasons?I queried that as they are hardly society's big earners.

In answer to your question soneone earlier asked that when pay freezes were mentioned..how else would we pay for the furlough.?

Make big corp.pay proper tax. Stop giving pay rises to mps who hardly earn a 3rd of their pay.

Stop allowing people to use tax loopholes. Stop spending vast sums on utter shit i.e millenium dome millenium bridge Hs2. Sack the royals

Dump trident.

So many many ways.

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By *r8t_WhiteMan
over a year ago

Torquay

"So basically we are now at the stage that members of the public don't think NHS staff should get a wage rise because some staff are immigrants.

I hope those with that opinion and the racial tones never use the NHS let alone clapped for them"

Why couldn't they use a service the are paying for exactly?

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

A very simple thing to do to attract already trained staff back to the nhs would be to provide child care.This in the great scheme of things would not cost that much and mean so much to staff.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"how else would we pay for the furlough.?

A country's economy is not the same as paying off a credit card debt.

Not sure why Portugal being "riddled with poverty", and yet still managing not to inflict austerity on its least well off citizens, is worthy of a "hahaha"?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Ok let's scrap all fee's for NHS workers, so more will pour in sod the counties they come from. If they don't have doctors and nurses that's ok fuck them as long as we are all right. Time we trained our own and not ripped apart other countries health services We have to agree with this why are we taking nurse / doctors from country's that have paid for them to be trained? And why are these doctors /nurse abandon their own country's?

Maybe because we have a shortage?

Turning on overseas nurses now. what a country we live in.

Of course not.

What can we do exactly?

Personally I'd say it was the gmnts.

Petition our MPs, make our support widely known. Vote.

I do vote.

I voted for a party that didnt lie about building new hospitals and numbers of nurses etc but sadly they didnt win.

The gmnt runs the nhs..short of mass organised protests I'm not sure what we could do.

So did/do I. But that's what we can do.

I think they follow public opinion to an extent.

It's incomplete as a solution I know."

I think in general Terms Tories will save money/cut services.

Labour will spend money /increase services.

Obviously it's not as simple as that but in general terms.

So if the bulk of the population vote for option 1 you cant really say..well what can we do.

We have made that decision.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This whole thread seems to have become confuddled. Thank fuck it's all over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This whole thread seems to have become confuddled. Thank fuck it's all over

It is now

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By *angbangFantasyWoman
over a year ago

London

A lot of foreign countries like the Philippines have thousands more doctors and nurses than the UK because more train with the prospect of working abroad but not all do. When I started my nursing degree there were 2,000 students in my university in the first year and 660 in our final year. I'm not sure how many students apply to universities here nor how many in the end qualify but I'm sure the numbers aren't as high. The issue with encouraging Bristish students to train to be nurses or doctors is the way they are badly compensated financially and treated by the general public, government as well as media.

I'm British born but Philippines trained, so see the side of both coins.

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