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"The following is easily verifiable. Google for the quotes if you wish to check. Professor Michael Levitt is Professor of Structural Biology at the Stanford School of Medicine, and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for “the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems.” He’s a numbers guy. He describes indiscriminate lockdown measures as “a huge mistake” "I think the policy of herd immunity is the right policy. I think Britain was on exactly the right track before they were fed wrong numbers. And they made a huge mistake. " “There is no doubt in my mind, that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor." What would a Nobel Prize winning Professor know though?"  | |||
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"Choose your research get the result you want." This.. Like a legal opinion.. | |||
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"100% agree with you cant find anyone that agrees with me though lol" If you believe you are right why do you need anyone to agree with you? This all more to do with cognative biases.... | |||
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"Choose your research get the result you want. "I agree that the lockdown will turn out to be an overreaction as will be discovered as we ease the restrictions and the spread rate stays down. | |||
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"Choose your research get the result you want.
I agree that the lockdown will turn out to be an overreaction as will be discovered as we ease the restrictions and the spread rate stays down." | |||
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"He also refers to Australia as a standout loser. Australia has had 98 deaths. So I guess he has a point provided human life counts for nothing. " | |||
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"So ~34k with lockdown. How many would it be if there was no lockdown? What happened to great British common sense? We never had it in the first place. " According to the computer model of John Hopkins 500 000 deaths in the UK to achieve herd immunity. Boris Johnson also talks about British Common Sense. How does it differ from common sense in other countries?  | |||
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"I saw this article too.... Interesting. However, i was studying the Italy, USA and UK death rates as they were happening. I predicted the peak two weeks in advance. The death was initially exponential, with UK being pretty identical to that of Italy, and I was able to predict daily death rather quite accurately.. However, it did peak, and again, i could model it quite accurately... When the care home figures were then added, it threw all my modelling out the window. However, eyeballing the numbers, it doesn't seem impossible to predict when we'll be closer to zero new deaths. I just haven't quite figured out the algebra yet. " If you watch Coronavirus Explained on Netflix they compare two US cities (Philadelphia and St Louis) during the Spanish Flu. St Louis locked down almost immediately and had one of the lowest death tolls 1,703. Philadelphia didn't and had 16 000 deaths over 6 months. The science is already proven. | |||
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" Boris Johnson also talks about British Common Sense. How does it differ from common sense in other countries? "Hmmm. Let's see - Brazil's Presdident isn't using a lot of common sense. America is patchy with the use of common sense. In fact it's President is downright stupid when it comes to using common sense with regard to the pandemic. Belurus - Just had a countrywide VE celebration with hundreds of thousands of people not using common sense. Much less Lukashenko. Maybe he means that kind of British Common Sense. | |||
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"He also said that COVID-19 isn't causing a massive loss of life. There's 300 000 people who might disagree with that if they were still alive. There's a word for herd immunity without a vaccine. It's called genocide. " But when regular flu kills 300 000 world wide and we don't lock down, that's not genocide? | |||
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"He also said that COVID-19 isn't causing a massive loss of life. There's 300 000 people who might disagree with that if they were still alive. There's a word for herd immunity without a vaccine. It's called genocide. But when regular flu kills 300 000 world wide and we don't lock down, that's not genocide?" That's presumably an annual figure rather than a 3-6 month figure. And the figure would be much higher if not for lockdown | |||
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"There are many reports going around suggesting that no matter what countries do.. the end death rate per million will be similar. As lockdown just slows it unless it was a total lockdown and everyone stayed hidden away till the virus was eradicated... ( well till the next person with the virus arrived)" Sweden is showing us that as well, they are minus the coronavirus period excess deaths though | |||
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" What would a Nobel Prize winning Professor know though?" A Nobel prize in Chemistry doesn't make him an expert in epidemiology. | |||
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"He also said that COVID-19 isn't causing a massive loss of life. There's 300 000 people who might disagree with that if they were still alive. There's a word for herd immunity without a vaccine. It's called genocide. But when regular flu kills 300 000 world wide and we don't lock down, that's not genocide? That's presumably an annual figure rather than a 3-6 month figure. And the figure would be much higher if not for lockdown" For USA CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza. This vs 88 000 deaths from COVID-19 im less than 4 months. | |||
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"There are also reports of elderly individuals who have been appropriately isolating themselves, but somehow still end up being positive... How does that happen? Something flying in the air through their window? Contaminated food deliveries? " Could be that they go to hospital with a different illness and then get infected with Corona virus at the hospital. | |||
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"If you take all sense of humanity out of consideration, and think like an economist (and if you are under 70 and have no underlying health conditions) then I guess it makes sense to go for herd immunity and minimise the duration of the epidemic. It’s utterly heartless though, so I for one am glad we didn’t stick with it." What about giving people the choice? If you think you're vulnerable feel free to isolate, otherwise get on with your work and life. | |||
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"He also said that COVID-19 isn't causing a massive loss of life. There's 300 000 people who might disagree with that if they were still alive. There's a word for herd immunity without a vaccine. It's called genocide. But when regular flu kills 300 000 world wide and we don't lock down, that's not genocide?" How many flu deaths would there be without vaccinations? Millions. Covid 19 doesn't have a vaccine so I'm sorry but I will still be taking precautions for the time being. Not seen my girlfriend for two months and won't potentially put her or her elderly mother at risk. | |||
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"He also said that COVID-19 isn't causing a massive loss of life. There's 300 000 people who might disagree with that if they were still alive. There's a word for herd immunity without a vaccine. It's called genocide. But when regular flu kills 300 000 world wide and we don't lock down, that's not genocide?" Genocide is when an entire race of people is wiped out. | |||
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" What would a Nobel Prize winning Professor know though? A Nobel prize in Chemistry doesn't make him an expert in epidemiology. " Makes him more of an expert, than anyone on here. | |||
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"I saw this article too.... Interesting. However, i was studying the Italy, USA and UK death rates as they were happening. I predicted the peak two weeks in advance. The death was initially exponential, with UK being pretty identical to that of Italy, and I was able to predict daily death rather quite accurately.. However, it did peak, and again, i could model it quite accurately... When the care home figures were then added, it threw all my modelling out the window. However, eyeballing the numbers, it doesn't seem impossible to predict when we'll be closer to zero new deaths. I just haven't quite figured out the algebra yet. " As you are such a genius, perhaps stop working on predicting death and start working on how to stop this? Ffs  | |||
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"The following is easily verifiable. Google for the quotes if you wish to check. Professor Michael Levitt is Professor of Structural Biology at the Stanford School of Medicine, and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for “the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems.” He’s a numbers guy. He describes indiscriminate lockdown measures as “a huge mistake” "I think the policy of herd immunity is the right policy. I think Britain was on exactly the right track before they were fed wrong numbers. And they made a huge mistake. " “There is no doubt in my mind, that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor." What would a Nobel Prize winning Professor know though?" In this cause, absolutely nothing, he should have kept his mouth shut ! At least people would've perceived he had some common sense, now they know he doesn't ! Herd immunity is an idiotic belief when its something serious like this virus. There's already been far to many needless deaths because of stupidity, and there's going to be many many more ! | |||
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" What would a Nobel Prize winning Professor know though? A Nobel prize in Chemistry doesn't make him an expert in epidemiology. Makes him more of an expert, than anyone on here. " It most definitely doesn't make him more of an expert than anyone on here, he proved that when he made those idiotic statements. | |||
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"Amazing how quick memories fade. Some people want what happened in Italy to happen everywhere. And winning a Nobel in chemistry doesnt mean anything to the current situation. Ben Carson is one of the greatest brain surgeons in the world. Hes also convinced aliens built the pyramids." They did, but I get your point  | |||
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"The following is easily verifiable. Google for the quotes if you wish to check. Professor Michael Levitt is Professor of Structural Biology at the Stanford School of Medicine, and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for “the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems.” He’s a numbers guy. He describes indiscriminate lockdown measures as “a huge mistake” "I think the policy of herd immunity is the right policy. I think Britain was on exactly the right track before they were fed wrong numbers. And they made a huge mistake. " “There is no doubt in my mind, that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor." What would a Nobel Prize winning Professor know though?" Using that method everyone would of got ill together, the hospitals would not have had the staff, beds, meds or equipment to deal with the pandemic. What Boris is actually doing is a controlled Pandemic resulting in the same herd imunity but without highlighting the embarrasing fact that Boris and his chums had railroaded the NHS for that long its couldnt cope when needed, its staff would then have all died in the pandemic, we love the NHS so there would prob have a near revolution when it collapsed. Instead he's pretended to have been infected to gain solidarity with everyone, made it all about the NHS and made heros from them all, has locked us in our houses while exaggerating the casualty numbers each week and is now letting you all out in waves to contract it whilst keeping the congation rate appearing the same (the reason for hicking the numbers) It allows the NHS to cope with the numbers of infected, making him look competant and justifies him letting out the next wave. IMHO of course. Im going to carry on staying at home. | |||
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" What would a Nobel Prize winning Professor know though? A Nobel prize in Chemistry doesn't make him an expert in epidemiology. Makes him more of an expert, than anyone on here. It most definitely doesn't make him more of an expert than anyone on here, he proved that when he made those idiotic statements." So you’re saying you know more than him
Good god that’s unbelievable. You must be out in the sun to much. Funny I’ll listen to him before I even thinking about reading one of your poignant Posts | |||
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"He also said that COVID-19 isn't causing a massive loss of life. There's 300 000 people who might disagree with that if they were still alive. There's a word for herd immunity without a vaccine. It's called genocide. " | |||
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"I saw this article too.... Interesting. However, i was studying the Italy, USA and UK death rates as they were happening. I predicted the peak two weeks in advance. The death was initially exponential, with UK being pretty identical to that of Italy, and I was able to predict daily death rather quite accurately.. However, it did peak, and again, i could model it quite accurately... When the care home figures were then added, it threw all my modelling out the window. However, eyeballing the numbers, it doesn't seem impossible to predict when we'll be closer to zero new deaths. I just haven't quite figured out the algebra yet. " But I'm sure you'll tell us all after it happens | |||
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"The following is easily verifiable. Google for the quotes if you wish to check. Professor Michael Levitt is Professor of Structural Biology at the Stanford School of Medicine, and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for “the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems.” He’s a numbers guy. He describes indiscriminate lockdown measures as “a huge mistake” "I think the policy of herd immunity is the right policy. I think Britain was on exactly the right track before they were fed wrong numbers. And they made a huge mistake. " “There is no doubt in my mind, that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor." What would a Nobel Prize winning Professor know though?" Two things : He is still stupid and an award doesnt give him any common sense | |||
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"The following is easily verifiable. Google for the quotes if you wish to check. Professor Michael Levitt is Professor of Structural Biology at the Stanford School of Medicine, and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for “the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems.” He’s a numbers guy. He describes indiscriminate lockdown measures as “a huge mistake” "I think the policy of herd immunity is the right policy. I think Britain was on exactly the right track before they were fed wrong numbers. And they made a huge mistake. " “There is no doubt in my mind, that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor." What would a Nobel Prize winning Professor know though? Using that method everyone would of got ill together, the hospitals would not have had the staff, beds, meds or equipment to deal with the pandemic. What Boris is actually doing is a controlled Pandemic resulting in the same herd imunity but without highlighting the embarrasing fact that Boris and his chums had railroaded the NHS for that long its couldnt cope when needed, its staff would then have all died in the pandemic, we love the NHS so there would prob have a near revolution when it collapsed. Instead he's pretended to have been infected to gain solidarity with everyone, made it all about the NHS and made heros from them all, has locked us in our houses while exaggerating the casualty numbers each week and is now letting you all out in waves to contract it whilst keeping the congation rate appearing the same (the reason for hicking the numbers) It allows the NHS to cope with the numbers of infected, making him look competant and justifies him letting out the next wave. IMHO of course. Im going to carry on staying at home. " Nothing will ever make Bozza look competent..... | |||
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"He also said that COVID-19 isn't causing a massive loss of life. There's 300 000 people who might disagree with that if they were still alive. There's a word for herd immunity without a vaccine. It's called genocide. But when regular flu kills 300 000 world wide and we don't lock down, that's not genocide? Genocide is when an entire race of people is wiped out." Genocide - the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group. The large group of people in this case: The elderly or those with underlying conditions more likely to be in the "expense" column of the government budget sheet than "income". | |||
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"The following is easily verifiable. Google for the quotes if you wish to check. Professor Michael Levitt is Professor of Structural Biology at the Stanford School of Medicine, and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for “the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems.” He’s a numbers guy. He describes indiscriminate lockdown measures as “a huge mistake” "I think the policy of herd immunity is the right policy. I think Britain was on exactly the right track before they were fed wrong numbers. And they made a huge mistake. " “There is no doubt in my mind, that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor." What would a Nobel Prize winning Professor know though?" Herd immunity like we acquired in 1918 | |||
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"If you take all sense of humanity out of consideration, and think like an economist (and if you are under 70 and have no underlying health conditions) then I guess it makes sense to go for herd immunity and minimise the duration of the epidemic. It’s utterly heartless though, so I for one am glad we didn’t stick with it. What about giving people the choice? If you think you're vulnerable feel free to isolate, otherwise get on with your work and life." Aha - you probably think wearing seatbelts should be up to the individual, as they are the only ones affected if they crash, right?  | |||
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"If you take all sense of humanity out of consideration, and think like an economist (and if you are under 70 and have no underlying health conditions) then I guess it makes sense to go for herd immunity and minimise the duration of the epidemic. It’s utterly heartless though, so I for one am glad we didn’t stick with it. What about giving people the choice? If you think you're vulnerable feel free to isolate, otherwise get on with your work and life. Aha - you probably think wearing seatbelts should be up to the individual, as they are the only ones affected if they crash, right? "Sure. And NHS nurses should be given the choice not to have to risk their lives treating those people. As a taxpayer I should have the right to not have to pay for the treatment of people who deliberately make themselves unwell. | |||
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"Choose your research get the result you want. This" Guy also said that those people now dying were on their last legs anyway. Strange how that number increased 10 fold in 3 months. Also some of the casualties have been perfectly fit people in their prime with NO underlying health conditions. | |||
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"The following is easily verifiable. Google for the quotes if you wish to check. Professor Michael Levitt is Professor of Structural Biology at the Stanford School of Medicine, and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for “the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems.” He’s a numbers guy. He describes indiscriminate lockdown measures as “a huge mistake” "I think the policy of herd immunity is the right policy. I think Britain was on exactly the right track before they were fed wrong numbers. And they made a huge mistake. " “There is no doubt in my mind, that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor." What would a Nobel Prize winning Professor know though?" Exactly, for some, I agree, as a lot of people have not got a strong immune system due to their lifestyles etc.BUT there are others of us that have theirs dialled in and have never had a flu virus, a cold virus for over 20yrs and do not get infections so personally I'm still carrying on. The thing that makes me laugh is people drink and smoke yet are worried about a dying from a virus not CANCER and other health related issues such as being overweight amusing  | |||
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"If you take all sense of humanity out of consideration, and think like an economist (and if you are under 70 and have no underlying health conditions) then I guess it makes sense to go for herd immunity and minimise the duration of the epidemic. It’s utterly heartless though, so I for one am glad we didn’t stick with it. What about giving people the choice? If you think you're vulnerable feel free to isolate, otherwise get on with your work and life. Aha - you probably think wearing seatbelts should be up to the individual, as they are the only ones affected if they crash, right?
Sure. And NHS nurses should be given the choice not to have to risk their lives treating those people.
As a taxpayer I should have the right to not have to pay for the treatment of people who deliberately make themselves unwell."That’s the point, yes. Libertarian thinking is for children, not adults. | |||
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"If you take all sense of humanity out of consideration, and think like an economist (and if you are under 70 and have no underlying health conditions) then I guess it makes sense to go for herd immunity and minimise the duration of the epidemic. It’s utterly heartless though, so I for one am glad we didn’t stick with it. What about giving people the choice? If you think you're vulnerable feel free to isolate, otherwise get on with your work and life. Aha - you probably think wearing seatbelts should be up to the individual, as they are the only ones affected if they crash, right?
Sure. And NHS nurses should be given the choice not to have to risk their lives treating those people.
As a taxpayer I should have the right to not have to pay for the treatment of people who deliberately make themselves unwell."There is of course an extension to your thinking As a tax payer you are suggesting You should not pay for Rugby injuries Climbing falls DIY injuries Surfing injuries Skate board Mountaineers Running falls Infact any activity that is potentially dangerous and a choice Motorcycles? Smokers ? | |||
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"If you take all sense of humanity out of consideration, and think like an economist (and if you are under 70 and have no underlying health conditions) then I guess it makes sense to go for herd immunity and minimise the duration of the epidemic. It’s utterly heartless though, so I for one am glad we didn’t stick with it. What about giving people the choice? If you think you're vulnerable feel free to isolate, otherwise get on with your work and life. Aha - you probably think wearing seatbelts should be up to the individual, as they are the only ones affected if they crash, right?
Sure. And NHS nurses should be given the choice not to have to risk their lives treating those people.
As a taxpayer I should have the right to not have to pay for the treatment of people who deliberately make themselves unwell.
There is of course an extension to your thinking
As a tax payer you are suggesting
You should not pay for
Rugby injuries
Climbing falls
DIY injuries
Surfing injuries
Skate board
Mountaineers
Running falls
Infact any activity that is potentially dangerous and a choice
Motorcycles?
Smokers ?
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"If you take all sense of humanity out of consideration, and think like an economist (and if you are under 70 and have no underlying health conditions) then I guess it makes sense to go for herd immunity and minimise the duration of the epidemic. It’s utterly heartless though, so I for one am glad we didn’t stick with it. What about giving people the choice? If you think you're vulnerable feel free to isolate, otherwise get on with your work and life. Aha - you probably think wearing seatbelts should be up to the individual, as they are the only ones affected if they crash, right?
Sure. And NHS nurses should be given the choice not to have to risk their lives treating those people.
As a taxpayer I should have the right to not have to pay for the treatment of people who deliberately make themselves unwell.
There is of course an extension to your thinking
As a tax payer you are suggesting
You should not pay for
Rugby injuries
Climbing falls
DIY injuries
Surfing injuries
Skate board
Mountaineers
Running falls
Infact any activity that is potentially dangerous and a choice
Motorcycles?
Smokers ?
He was agreeing with your point."Erm ? He is suggesting those who deliberately infect themselves should not be treated??? My point was not a point but a question based upon that logic ? | |||
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"Choose your research get the result you want." Exactly! Don't understand why people are surprised experts have opposing views. Our legal system wouldn't work for example, if that wasn't the case. | |||
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"If you take all sense of humanity out of consideration, and think like an economist (and if you are under 70 and have no underlying health conditions) then I guess it makes sense to go for herd immunity and minimise the duration of the epidemic. It’s utterly heartless though, so I for one am glad we didn’t stick with it. What about giving people the choice? If you think you're vulnerable feel free to isolate, otherwise get on with your work and life. Aha - you probably think wearing seatbelts should be up to the individual, as they are the only ones affected if they crash, right?
Sure. And NHS nurses should be given the choice not to have to risk their lives treating those people.
As a taxpayer I should have the right to not have to pay for the treatment of people who deliberately make themselves unwell.
There is of course an extension to your thinking
As a tax payer you are suggesting
You should not pay for
Rugby injuries
Climbing falls
DIY injuries
Surfing injuries
Skate board
Mountaineers
Running falls
Infact any activity that is potentially dangerous and a choice
Motorcycles?
Smokers ?
He was agreeing with your point.
Erm ?
He is suggesting those who deliberately infect themselves should not be treated???
My point was not a point but a question based upon that logic ?"And his point was based on the logic of the seatbelt argument, which was mocking the thinking of people who suggest we should choose if we want to risk the virus or not. It’s all the same point. If you think people should be free to choose to risk the virus if not an essential risk, you also think doctors should be free to choose who they treat. It’s libertarian thinking - which is for children, not adults. | |||
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" What would a Nobel Prize winning Professor know though? A Nobel prize in Chemistry doesn't make him an expert in epidemiology. " He even says that himself. So, that should have been the end of discussion. He's just another clever guy with an opinion. Presumably the OP is aware that there are a couple of clever people who take the opposite view. Some of them have awards too. | |||
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"He also said that COVID-19 isn't causing a massive loss of life. There's 300 000 people who might disagree with that if they were still alive. There's a word for herd immunity without a vaccine. It's called genocide. " | |||
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"He also said that COVID-19 isn't causing a massive loss of life. There's 300 000 people who might disagree with that if they were still alive. There's a word for herd immunity without a vaccine. It's called genocide.
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"What would a Nobel Prize winning Professor know though?" Fuck all about the value of individual human lives, apparently. It's not an uncommon failing amongst the wealthy. Just because he has no doubt doesn't mean there isn't any. | |||
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" What would a Nobel Prize winning Professor know though? A Nobel prize in Chemistry doesn't make him an expert in epidemiology. Makes him more of an expert, than anyone on here. It most definitely doesn't make him more of an expert than anyone on here, he proved that when he made those idiotic statements. So you’re saying you know more than him
Good god that’s unbelievable. You must be out in the sun to much. Funny I’ll listen to him before I even thinking about reading one of your poignant Posts "The professor has an international audience, there aren't any posters here who have such influence unless Chris Whitty is Dagenham DanglyBalls! | |||
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"Choose your research get the result you want." As a medical professional working for OUH I must say that this comment summarises the situation perfectly. | |||
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"Choose your research get the result you want. As a medical professional working for OUH I must say that this comment summarises the situation perfectly." Id add... choose from where in the timeline of the virus was the research was written, get the result you want It's a new disease and our understanding and explanation of it is ever changing. My opinion about parts of it has changed continually since January. People can get really stuck in inital confirmation biases and rooted beliefs. | |||
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"If you take all sense of humanity out of consideration, and think like an economist (and if you are under 70 and have no underlying health conditions) then I guess it makes sense to go for herd immunity and minimise the duration of the epidemic. It’s utterly heartless though, so I for one am glad we didn’t stick with it. What about giving people the choice? If you think you're vulnerable feel free to isolate, otherwise get on with your work and life. Aha - you probably think wearing seatbelts should be up to the individual, as they are the only ones affected if they crash, right?
Sure. And NHS nurses should be given the choice not to have to risk their lives treating those people.
As a taxpayer I should have the right to not have to pay for the treatment of people who deliberately make themselves unwell.
There is of course an extension to your thinking
As a tax payer you are suggesting
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Climbing falls
DIY injuries
Surfing injuries
Skate board
Mountaineers
Running falls
Infact any activity that is potentially dangerous and a choice
Motorcycles?
Smokers ?
"There are some those I agree with and some I disagree with. Smoking for instance is something where it unfair that the taxpayer picks up the tab for something completely unnecessary. Things like DIY and motorcycles etc are a grey area because motorcycles are some people's only means of transport. DIY.... well I believe a lot of household accidents involve cooking, should we all eat out every night? The main difference is that me playing rugby might not end up giving my grandfather (if I had one) a broken collar bone. | |||
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"He also said that COVID-19 isn't causing a massive loss of life. There's 300 000 people who might disagree with that if they were still alive. There's a word for herd immunity without a vaccine. It's called genocide.
Or maybe mass hysteria "Herd Immunity has vaccination as a premise. It also assumes a well prepared public health system. Imagine if we sent our soldiers off to war and didn't give them wespons? | |||
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" Id add... choose from where in the timeline of the virus was the research was written, get the result you want It's a new disease and our understanding and explanation of it is ever changing. My opinion about parts of it has changed continually since January. People can get really stuck in inital confirmation biases and rooted beliefs. " That much is evident in the treatment, some of the worlds leading minds thought that Remedesivir would be effective yet the ACTT study isn’t recruiting new patients and hasn’t shown promise. Now Toclizumab will be used, but once again it’s educated guesswork which in fact mirrors the debate on isolation. | |||
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" What would a Nobel Prize winning Professor know though? " he would probably know that scientific theory is exactly just that ... theory... until someone comes along and either proves or disproves given it is impossible to exactly recreate the situation again it wont be possible to do either nobody will ever know what the best solution would have been ... its all just opinion and conjecture | |||
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"If you take all sense of humanity out of consideration, and think like an economist (and if you are under 70 and have no underlying health conditions) then I guess it makes sense to go for herd immunity and minimise the duration of the epidemic. It’s utterly heartless though, so I for one am glad we didn’t stick with it. What about giving people the choice? If you think you're vulnerable feel free to isolate, otherwise get on with your work and life. Aha - you probably think wearing seatbelts should be up to the individual, as they are the only ones affected if they crash, right?
Sure. And NHS nurses should be given the choice not to have to risk their lives treating those people.
As a taxpayer I should have the right to not have to pay for the treatment of people who deliberately make themselves unwell.
There is of course an extension to your thinking
As a tax payer you are suggesting
You should not pay for
Rugby injuries
Climbing falls
DIY injuries
Surfing injuries
Skate board
Mountaineers
Running falls
Infact any activity that is potentially dangerous and a choice
Motorcycles?
Smokers ?
He was agreeing with your point.
Erm ?
He is suggesting those who deliberately infect themselves should not be treated???
My point was not a point but a question based upon that logic ?
And his point was based on the logic of the seatbelt argument, which was mocking the thinking of people who suggest we should choose if we want to risk the virus or not. It’s all the same point. If you think people should be free to choose to risk the virus if not an essential risk, you also think doctors should be free to choose who they treat.
It’s libertarian thinking - which is for children, not adults."Firstly, if you are not in the vulnerable category then you have very little chance of becoming seriously ill and requiring hospital treatment. If the guy was run over on the way to work would you suggest a doctor doesn't treat him because he deliberately put himself at risk by leaving home. You say risk the virus as if catching it is a death sentence. The government has ended up scaring everyone witless that catching the virus kills you. This is total nonsense for the majority of the healthy population which are the ones who should be out getting a life. | |||
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"If you take all sense of humanity out of consideration, and think like an economist (and if you are under 70 and have no underlying health conditions) then I guess it makes sense to go for herd immunity and minimise the duration of the epidemic. It’s utterly heartless though, so I for one am glad we didn’t stick with it. What about giving people the choice? If you think you're vulnerable feel free to isolate, otherwise get on with your work and life. Aha - you probably think wearing seatbelts should be up to the individual, as they are the only ones affected if they crash, right?
Sure. And NHS nurses should be given the choice not to have to risk their lives treating those people.
As a taxpayer I should have the right to not have to pay for the treatment of people who deliberately make themselves unwell.
There is of course an extension to your thinking
As a tax payer you are suggesting
You should not pay for
Rugby injuries
Climbing falls
DIY injuries
Surfing injuries
Skate board
Mountaineers
Running falls
Infact any activity that is potentially dangerous and a choice
Motorcycles?
Smokers ?
He was agreeing with your point.
Erm ?
He is suggesting those who deliberately infect themselves should not be treated???
My point was not a point but a question based upon that logic ?
And his point was based on the logic of the seatbelt argument, which was mocking the thinking of people who suggest we should choose if we want to risk the virus or not. It’s all the same point. If you think people should be free to choose to risk the virus if not an essential risk, you also think doctors should be free to choose who they treat.
It’s libertarian thinking - which is for children, not adults.
Firstly, if you are not in the vulnerable category then you have very little chance of becoming seriously ill and requiring hospital treatment. If the guy was run over on the way to work would you suggest a doctor doesn't treat him because he deliberately put himself at risk by leaving home. You say risk the virus as if catching it is a death sentence. The government has ended up scaring everyone witless that catching the virus kills you. This is total nonsense for the majority of the healthy population which are the ones who should be out getting a life.
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"If you take all sense of humanity out of consideration, and think like an economist (and if you are under 70 and have no underlying health conditions) then I guess it makes sense to go for herd immunity and minimise the duration of the epidemic. It’s utterly heartless though, so I for one am glad we didn’t stick with it. What about giving people the choice? If you think you're vulnerable feel free to isolate, otherwise get on with your work and life. Aha - you probably think wearing seatbelts should be up to the individual, as they are the only ones affected if they crash, right?
Sure. And NHS nurses should be given the choice not to have to risk their lives treating those people.
As a taxpayer I should have the right to not have to pay for the treatment of people who deliberately make themselves unwell.
There is of course an extension to your thinking
As a tax payer you are suggesting
You should not pay for
Rugby injuries
Climbing falls
DIY injuries
Surfing injuries
Skate board
Mountaineers
Running falls
Infact any activity that is potentially dangerous and a choice
Motorcycles?
Smokers ?
He was agreeing with your point.
Erm ?
He is suggesting those who deliberately infect themselves should not be treated???
My point was not a point but a question based upon that logic ?
And his point was based on the logic of the seatbelt argument, which was mocking the thinking of people who suggest we should choose if we want to risk the virus or not. It’s all the same point. If you think people should be free to choose to risk the virus if not an essential risk, you also think doctors should be free to choose who they treat.
It’s libertarian thinking - which is for children, not adults.
Firstly, if you are not in the vulnerable category then you have very little chance of becoming seriously ill and requiring hospital treatment. If the guy was run over on the way to work would you suggest a doctor doesn't treat him because he deliberately put himself at risk by leaving home. You say risk the virus as if catching it is a death sentence. The government has ended up scaring everyone witless that catching the virus kills you. This is total nonsense for the majority of the healthy population which are the ones who should be out getting a life.
"The government hasn't scared anyone into thinking they will catch it and die. They have repeatedly said fron the outset... Lockdown is about containment and reducing the r nought number. And not lettj g the vulnerable die. (you can debate how successful they and their policies have been to protect the vulnerable This was literally said at the first breifing and has been repeated constantly Because journos fail to understand and convey a simple message. Germs spread. Don't touch people and wash your hands How much more can you dumb down that message? The restrictions being lifted nothing to do with the death rate. But because the spread of the virus is slowing. (how much faith you put into the accuracy of the at number is a another queation | |||
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"We've seen from other countries that our response was probably not the best. But the partial lockdown did seem to reduce the exponential growth rate of it, thus saving many lives. There have been and remain more than 2 choices. The widespread testing approach, leading to isolation of those infected and tracing contacts is the bett aspect of what many countries, such as South Korea and Germany, have been doing, whilst keeping infection levels lower than here. What's your solution op? " If we had a rigorous testing system in place then reducing lockdown might make more sense. We don't, so we have a serious illness (in at least some people and we don't always know who) with unknown long term consequences in anyone, which is highly contagious and all over the place. To me unlocking is a monumental gamble with the population's health. | |||
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"We locked down too late and not harsh enough.. And we are trying to open up too soon.. Its looking more like this so called strategy is more about the political legacy of those in power.. " If they're worried about legacy they're doing it wrong. I think they're worried about power in the short term | |||
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"Choose your research get the result you want." Absolutely 100% I'm pretty sure if I spent half and hour I could find data or information on any ridiculous theory. | |||
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"Choose your research get the result you want. Absolutely 100% I'm pretty sure if I spent half and hour I could find data or information on any ridiculous theory. " "Theoretical physics can also prove that an elephant can hang off a cliff with its tail tied to a daisy! But use your eyes, your common sense" - Jim Garrison in JFK | |||
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"I saw this article too.... Interesting. However, i was studying the Italy, USA and UK death rates as they were happening. I predicted the peak two weeks in advance. The death was initially exponential, with UK being pretty identical to that of Italy, and I was able to predict daily death rather quite accurately.. However, it did peak, and again, i could model it quite accurately... When the care home figures were then added, it threw all my modelling out the window. However, eyeballing the numbers, it doesn't seem impossible to predict when we'll be closer to zero new deaths. I just haven't quite figured out the algebra yet. But I'm sure you'll tell us all after it happens" No, I had shared my predictions with work colleagues, friends and my fb page in advance of events to validate my modelling. I'm not an epidemiological expert, I'm just a inquisitive numbers nerd in my spare time like this nobel laureate. | |||
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" I wonder what he'd have to say now given his thoughts were nearly two months ago and the catastrophic effects of both the UK and US being slow to stop the spread." I'm not a self proclaimed keyboard expert. But surely logic tells us that if an vaccine isn't found.... 50/50 at best..... 12 months at best..... the only option is herd immunity, to get back to any sense of normality. So in fact the countries that you think are failing are actually winning. | |||
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" I wonder what he'd have to say now given his thoughts were nearly two months ago and the catastrophic effects of both the UK and US being slow to stop the spread. I'm not a self proclaimed keyboard expert. But surely logic tells us that if an vaccine isn't found.... 50/50 at best..... 12 months at best..... the only option is herd immunity, to get back to any sense of normality. So in fact the countries that you think are failing are actually winning. "Or have let people die needlessly before effective treatment is found. | |||
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"Choose your research get the result you want. Absolutely 100% I'm pretty sure if I spent half and hour I could find data or information on any ridiculous theory. "Theoretical physics can also prove that an elephant can hang off a cliff with its tail tied to a daisy! But use your eyes, your common sense" - Jim Garrison in JFK" Now you're being silly | |||
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"They country cannot sustain lockdown. Financial or mentally until a vaccine may or may not be found. " I'm not sure anyone is advocating lockdown until there's a vaccine. I'm certainly not. | |||
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"What a load of shite . Lovck down too late and open up too soon . Stupid people out in the world still think it's just a flu . Herd immunity ?????? Duhhh you can get it twice. Stay home and stay safe please " Do you know what you are talking about? If you can get it twice, there can be no vaccine. Herd immunity will then be the only game in town. | |||
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"What a load of shite . Lovck down too late and open up too soon . Stupid people out in the world still think it's just a flu . Herd immunity ?????? Duhhh you can get it twice. Stay home and stay safe please " No evidence you can get it twice. | |||
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"What a load of shite . Lovck down too late and open up too soon . Stupid people out in the world still think it's just a flu . Herd immunity ?????? Duhhh you can get it twice. Stay home and stay safe please Do you know what you are talking about? If you can get it twice, there can be no vaccine. Herd immunity will then be the only game in town. " Herd immunity - although it won’t be called that - has always been the only game in town once containment was abandoned. | |||
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"There are four potential solutions. Eradication, treatment, vaccine, and herd immunity. Personally, letting a disease with a non trivial death rate, an even less trivial morbidity rate, and an utterly unknown long term health consequences rate rip through an entirely susceptible population... seems nothing short of barbaric." Hahaha, it's called evolution. | |||
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"Choose your research get the result you want. Absolutely 100% I'm pretty sure if I spent half and hour I could find data or information on any ridiculous theory. "Theoretical physics can also prove that an elephant can hang off a cliff with its tail tied to a daisy! But use your eyes, your common sense" - Jim Garrison in JFK Now you're being silly" How can you say that? I've always been silly | |||
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"There are four potential solutions. Eradication, treatment, vaccine, and herd immunity. Personally, letting a disease with a non trivial death rate, an even less trivial morbidity rate, and an utterly unknown long term health consequences rate rip through an entirely susceptible population... seems nothing short of barbaric. Hahaha, it's called evolution. " A virus is evolution? | |||
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"The following is easily verifiable. Google for the quotes if you wish to check. Professor Michael Levitt is Professor of Structural Biology at the Stanford School of Medicine, and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for “the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems.” He’s a numbers guy. He describes indiscriminate lockdown measures as “a huge mistake” "I think the policy of herd immunity is the right policy. I think Britain was on exactly the right track before they were fed wrong numbers. And they made a huge mistake. " “There is no doubt in my mind, that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor." What would a Nobel Prize winning Professor know though?" Sounds like he is going to be launching a book or get TV work and wants to raise his profile by posting something controversial that can never be proved to be wrong or right. | |||
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"There are four potential solutions. Eradication, treatment, vaccine, and herd immunity. Personally, letting a disease with a non trivial death rate, an even less trivial morbidity rate, and an utterly unknown long term health consequences rate rip through an entirely susceptible population... seems nothing short of barbaric. Hahaha, it's called evolution. " Do you know what anthropologists often consider the sign of civilisation? Not fire, farms or domestication. Caring for the ill. Valuing human life. | |||
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"He also said that COVID-19 isn't causing a massive loss of life. There's 300 000 people who might disagree with that if they were still alive. There's a word for herd immunity without a vaccine. It's called genocide. " There are two words fit those waiting fur a vaccine - hopeless optimists | |||
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"What a load of shite . Lovck down too late and open up too soon . Stupid people out in the world still think it's just a flu . Herd immunity ?????? Duhhh you can get it twice. Stay home and stay safe please Do you know what you are talking about? If you can get it twice, there can be no vaccine. Herd immunity will then be the only game in town. " If you can get it twice you can't have herd immunity. Herd Immunity revolves around the fact that you're immune once you've had it once. Try and explain how vaccinations work and herd immunity works without using the word "antibodies". | |||
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"He also said that COVID-19 isn't causing a massive loss of life. There's 300 000 people who might disagree with that if they were still alive. There's a word for herd immunity without a vaccine. It's called genocide. There are two words fit those waiting fur a vaccine - hopeless optimists" Your evidence that a vaccine cannot be found? | |||
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"What a load of shite . Lovck down too late and open up too soon . Stupid people out in the world still think it's just a flu . Herd immunity ?????? Duhhh you can get it twice. Stay home and stay safe please Do you know what you are talking about? If you can get it twice, there can be no vaccine. Herd immunity will then be the only game in town. If you can get it twice you can't have herd immunity. Herd Immunity revolves around the fact that you're immune once you've had it once. Try and explain how vaccinations work and herd immunity works without using the word "antibodies"." There are actually countries who combatted this virus quite successfully and they don't have herd immunity. SARS was wiped out without a vaccine or herd immunity. | |||
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"What a load of shite . Lovck down too late and open up too soon . Stupid people out in the world still think it's just a flu . Herd immunity ?????? Duhhh you can get it twice. Stay home and stay safe please " It will always be safer to stay at home. You can't be involved in a car crash if you stay at home | |||
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"He also said that COVID-19 isn't causing a massive loss of life. There's 300 000 people who might disagree with that if they were still alive. There's a word for herd immunity without a vaccine. It's called genocide. There are two words fit those waiting fur a vaccine - hopeless optimists Your evidence that a vaccine cannot be found? " Last I heard that there were more than 70 candidates for vaccination and that at least one had already proved successful on primates. | |||
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"What a load of shite . Lovck down too late and open up too soon . Stupid people out in the world still think it's just a flu . Herd immunity ?????? Duhhh you can get it twice. Stay home and stay safe please Do you know what you are talking about? If you can get it twice, there can be no vaccine. Herd immunity will then be the only game in town. If you can get it twice you can't have herd immunity. Herd Immunity revolves around the fact that you're immune once you've had it once. Try and explain how vaccinations work and herd immunity works without using the word "antibodies"." The evidence pointing to reinfection may be suspect, I gather. | |||
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"He also said that COVID-19 isn't causing a massive loss of life. There's 300 000 people who might disagree with that if they were still alive. There's a word for herd immunity without a vaccine. It's called genocide. There are two words fit those waiting fur a vaccine - hopeless optimists Your evidence that a vaccine cannot be found? " https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616 | |||
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"What a load of shite . Lovck down too late and open up too soon . Stupid people out in the world still think it's just a flu . Herd immunity ?????? Duhhh you can get it twice. Stay home and stay safe please No evidence you can get it twice. " There is evidence that a lot of tests produced false positives making it seem like you could get it twice when people got it for real. | |||
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"He also said that COVID-19 isn't causing a massive loss of life. There's 300 000 people who might disagree with that if they were still alive. There's a word for herd immunity without a vaccine. It's called genocide. There are two words fit those waiting fur a vaccine - hopeless optimists Your evidence that a vaccine cannot be found? https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616" And I can find you ten links which say a vaccine is a probability. Depends what you want to believe. | |||
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"A lie can travel around the globe before the truth has even got its pants on..." Correct - people don’t want to let go of this crisis. Makes them feel alive. | |||
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"What a load of shite . Lovck down too late and open up too soon . Stupid people out in the world still think it's just a flu . Herd immunity ?????? Duhhh you can get it twice. Stay home and stay safe please No evidence you can get it twice. There is evidence that a lot of tests produced false positives making it seem like you could get it twice when people got it for real." All tests have false positives or negatives. The infection being possible twice seems to come from viral fragments, if memory serves. I heard it on a virology podcast. | |||
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"He also said that COVID-19 isn't causing a massive loss of life. There's 300 000 people who might disagree with that if they were still alive. There's a word for herd immunity without a vaccine. It's called genocide. There are two words fit those waiting fur a vaccine - hopeless optimists Your evidence that a vaccine cannot be found? https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616" Um. You've just provided a link that explains what the difficulties are. Where's a link that says its impossible. | |||
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"He also said that COVID-19 isn't causing a massive loss of life. There's 300 000 people who might disagree with that if they were still alive. There's a word for herd immunity without a vaccine. It's called genocide. There are two words fit those waiting fur a vaccine - hopeless optimists Your evidence that a vaccine cannot be found? https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616 Um. You've just provided a link that explains what the difficulties are. Where's a link that says its impossible. " Now come on, where would the drama be if he told you what the article really said? Much more dramatic to say a vaccine can never be found. | |||
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"And to back up what I just said... https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/oxford-university-covid-19-vaccine-monkey-data/ According to the publication, some monkeys administered with a single shot of the vaccine generated antibodies against the virus within 14 days while all monkeys developed antibodies within 28 days, prior to being exposed to high virus doses. Following exposure to the coronavirus, the vaccine candidate was prevented damage to the lungs and blocked the virus from replication. However, the virus was found to be actively replicating in the nose. " Interesting stuff - I’d heard the Oxford university work was going well. Some people won’t be happy at this news though. | |||
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"What a load of shite . Lovck down too late and open up too soon . Stupid people out in the world still think it's just a flu . Herd immunity ?????? Duhhh you can get it twice. Stay home and stay safe please It will always be safer to stay at home. You can't be involved in a car crash if you stay at home" What about that house on a bend where the car left the road and went through the wall ending up injuring people watching TV in the front room | |||
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" If you can get it twice, there can be no vaccine. Herd immunity will then be the only game in town. " Proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thinge. | |||
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" Um. You've just provided a link that explains what the difficulties are. Where's a link that says its impossible. " I don't need to prove it's impossible just demonstrate that based on all previous time frames regarding vaccine development - waiting for a vaccine is a very high risk strategy | |||
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"What a load of shite . Lovck down too late and open up too soon . Stupid people out in the world still think it's just a flu . Herd immunity ?????? Duhhh you can get it twice. Stay home and stay safe please It will always be safer to stay at home. You can't be involved in a car crash if you stay at home What about that house on a bend where the car left the road and went through the wall ending up injuring people watching TV in the front room" They should come up with a slogan - “stay out - save lives from car crashes in your living room” Not sure it’ll catch on | |||
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" If you can get it twice, there can be no vaccine. Herd immunity will then be the only game in town. Proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thinge." Never claimed to be a expert, said using logic. Perhaps you can share your large knowledge..... get Googling. Hahaha | |||
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"What a load of shite . Lovck down too late and open up too soon . Stupid people out in the world still think it's just a flu . Herd immunity ?????? Duhhh you can get it twice. Stay home and stay safe please It will always be safer to stay at home. You can't be involved in a car crash if you stay at home What about that house on a bend where the car left the road and went through the wall ending up injuring people watching TV in the front room" Didn't say it was completely safe to stay at home - just safer | |||
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" Um. You've just provided a link that explains what the difficulties are. Where's a link that says its impossible. I don't need to prove it's impossible just demonstrate that based on all previous time frames regarding vaccine development - waiting for a vaccine is a very high risk strategy You said anyone waiting for a vaccine is a hopeless optimist. You’ve now been challenged on that and you’ve changed your view to something about having to wait a long time for a vaccine. Which is your actual view? " My view is that if we wait for a vaccine before ending lockdown then more will die from a collapsed economy than would have died from covid-19 | |||
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" Um. You've just provided a link that explains what the difficulties are. Where's a link that says its impossible. I don't need to prove it's impossible just demonstrate that based on all previous time frames regarding vaccine development - waiting for a vaccine is a very high risk strategy You said anyone waiting for a vaccine is a hopeless optimist. You’ve now been challenged on that and you’ve changed your view to something about having to wait a long time for a vaccine. Which is your actual view? My view is that if we wait for a vaccine before ending lockdown then more will die from a collapsed economy than would have died from covid-19" If we had a proper lockdown like they did in China it would all be over by now. Our problem is entitled people who think the rules don't apply to them who will keep us in perpetual lockdown. | |||
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" Um. You've just provided a link that explains what the difficulties are. Where's a link that says its impossible. I don't need to prove it's impossible just demonstrate that based on all previous time frames regarding vaccine development - waiting for a vaccine is a very high risk strategy You said anyone waiting for a vaccine is a hopeless optimist. You’ve now been challenged on that and you’ve changed your view to something about having to wait a long time for a vaccine. Which is your actual view? My view is that if we wait for a vaccine before ending lockdown then more will die from a collapsed economy than would have died from covid-19 If we had a proper lockdown like they did in China it would all be over by now. Our problem is entitled people who think the rules don't apply to them who will keep us in perpetual lockdown. " I wouldn't put too much faith in any figures coming out of Chyna | |||
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" Um. You've just provided a link that explains what the difficulties are. Where's a link that says its impossible. I don't need to prove it's impossible just demonstrate that based on all previous time frames regarding vaccine development - waiting for a vaccine is a very high risk strategy" the world scientific community is all working together to find a vaccine that works , please give them a chance ! | |||
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" Um. You've just provided a link that explains what the difficulties are. Where's a link that says its impossible. I don't need to prove it's impossible just demonstrate that based on all previous time frames regarding vaccine development - waiting for a vaccine is a very high risk strategythe world scientific community is all working together to find a vaccine that works , please give them a chance ! " There is a ton of money being thrown at this and a lot of the bureaucratic bullshit will be put aside to expedite a vaccine. (If you've worked in pharma you'll know what I mean about needless paperwork) | |||
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" Um. You've just provided a link that explains what the difficulties are. Where's a link that says its impossible. I don't need to prove it's impossible just demonstrate that based on all previous time frames regarding vaccine development - waiting for a vaccine is a very high risk strategy You said anyone waiting for a vaccine is a hopeless optimist. You’ve now been challenged on that and you’ve changed your view to something about having to wait a long time for a vaccine. Which is your actual view? My view is that if we wait for a vaccine before ending lockdown then more will die from a collapsed economy than would have died from covid-19 If we had a proper lockdown like they did in China it would all be over by now. Our problem is entitled people who think the rules don't apply to them who will keep us in perpetual lockdown. I wouldn't put too much faith in any figures coming out of Chyna" I have more faith in China's figures than I do in ours. There are lots of other countries like South Korea where lockdown has proven to be an effective strategy. WHO said if you don't have a full lockdown don't bother, half hearted lockdowns don't work. Viruses don't respond to political gestures | |||
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"The following is easily verifiable. Google for the quotes if you wish to check. Professor Michael Levitt is Professor of Structural Biology at the Stanford School of Medicine, and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for “the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems.” He’s a numbers guy. He describes indiscriminate lockdown measures as “a huge mistake” "I think the policy of herd immunity is the right policy. I think Britain was on exactly the right track before they were fed wrong numbers. And they made a huge mistake. " “There is no doubt in my mind, that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor." What would a Nobel Prize winning Professor know though? Two things : He is still stupid and an award doesnt give him any common sense " Uh-huh.....common theme in Nobel-winning Professors, that.....so many are as thick as pigshit....
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"The following is easily verifiable. Google for the quotes if you wish to check. Professor Michael Levitt is Professor of Structural Biology at the Stanford School of Medicine, and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for “the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems.” He’s a numbers guy. He describes indiscriminate lockdown measures as “a huge mistake” "I think the policy of herd immunity is the right policy. I think Britain was on exactly the right track before they were fed wrong numbers. And they made a huge mistake. " “There is no doubt in my mind, that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor." What would a Nobel Prize winning Professor know though? Two things : He is still stupid and an award doesnt give him any common sense Uh-huh.....common theme in Nobel-winning Professors, that.....so many are as thick as pigshit....
FFS. Some of the garbage people come out with here."Well he did describe Australia as "standout losers". Australia has had 98 deaths. What we would give to be losers too.... | |||
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" Um. You've just provided a link that explains what the difficulties are. Where's a link that says its impossible. I don't need to prove it's impossible just demonstrate that based on all previous time frames regarding vaccine development - waiting for a vaccine is a very high risk strategythe world scientific community is all working together to find a vaccine that works , please give them a chance ! " How long have they been searching for a vaccine for aids? | |||
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" Um. You've just provided a link that explains what the difficulties are. Where's a link that says its impossible. I don't need to prove it's impossible just demonstrate that based on all previous time frames regarding vaccine development - waiting for a vaccine is a very high risk strategy You were asked: "Your evidence that a vaccine cannot be found?" Your link didn't do that at all." I didn't say a vaccine cannot be found - but if the plan is that we stay in lockdown until a vaccine is found then it's a bad plan unless there is certainty a vaccine can be found in a short amount of time | |||
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" Um. You've just provided a link that explains what the difficulties are. Where's a link that says its impossible. I don't need to prove it's impossible just demonstrate that based on all previous time frames regarding vaccine development - waiting for a vaccine is a very high risk strategy You were asked: "Your evidence that a vaccine cannot be found?" Your link didn't do that at all. I didn't say a vaccine cannot be found - but if the plan is that we stay in lockdown until a vaccine is found then it's a bad plan unless there is certainty a vaccine can be found in a short amount of time" No the plan is to do vigorous testing. Test track and isolate. The only method that has been proven to work so far. It all starts with testing. Without that we are lost. | |||
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" Um. You've just provided a link that explains what the difficulties are. Where's a link that says its impossible. I don't need to prove it's impossible just demonstrate that based on all previous time frames regarding vaccine development - waiting for a vaccine is a very high risk strategy You were asked: "Your evidence that a vaccine cannot be found?" Your link didn't do that at all. I didn't say a vaccine cannot be found - but if the plan is that we stay in lockdown until a vaccine is found then it's a bad plan unless there is certainty a vaccine can be found in a short amount of time No the plan is to do vigorous testing. Test track and isolate. The only method that has been proven to work so far. It all starts with testing. Without that we are lost." No the plan at the moment seems to be lockdown | |||
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"There are four potential solutions. Eradication, treatment, vaccine, and herd immunity. Personally, letting a disease with a non trivial death rate, an even less trivial morbidity rate, and an utterly unknown long term health consequences rate rip through an entirely susceptible population... seems nothing short of barbaric. Hahaha, it's called evolution. A virus is evolution?" Yes the virus is part of evolution How do you think it made the jump from animals to humans? It mutated so therefore it EVOLVED. FFS some people on here. | |||
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"We locked down too late and not harsh enough.. And we are trying to open up too soon.. Its looking more like this so called strategy is more about the political legacy of those in power.. " Your absolutely correct on every point ! | |||
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" Boris Johnson also talks about British Common Sense. How does it differ from common sense in other countries? "He does this all the time , he also talked about English peoples “inalienable right to go to the pub” when resisting closing pubs. It’s a large part of his appeal to thick racist people | |||
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" Our problem is entitled people who think the rules don't apply to them who will keep us in perpetual lockdown. " Perpetual lock-down? Really? Do you really think that is even an option. Hahaha This virus isn't going anywhere, when are people going to wake up to this fact..... lala land! | |||
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He does this all the time , he also talked about English peoples “inalienable right to go to the pub” when resisting closing pubs.
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" Proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thinge. Perhaps you can share your large knowledge..... get Googling. Hahaha " Still waiting! Lol. | |||
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" Hahaha, it's called evolution. A virus is evolution? Yes the virus is part of evolution How do you think it made the jump from animals to humans? It mutated so therefore it EVOLVED. FFS some people on here." Just a small note on coronavirusses - they didn't just suddenly 'evolve' to 'make the jump' to humans. They have always been able to infect animals and humans. They are not 'DNA specific' virusses to put it in layman's terms. Whete there is a host, they will infect and flourish | |||
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" Um. You've just provided a link that explains what the difficulties are. Where's a link that says its impossible. I don't need to prove it's impossible just demonstrate that based on all previous time frames regarding vaccine development - waiting for a vaccine is a very high risk strategy You said anyone waiting for a vaccine is a hopeless optimist. You’ve now been challenged on that and you’ve changed your view to something about having to wait a long time for a vaccine. Which is your actual view? My view is that if we wait for a vaccine before ending lockdown then more will die from a collapsed economy than would have died from covid-19" I agree with that but it’s not what you said originally. I wish you’d just said that instead of the “hopeless optimists” bit. | |||
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" Um. You've just provided a link that explains what the difficulties are. Where's a link that says its impossible. I don't need to prove it's impossible just demonstrate that based on all previous time frames regarding vaccine development - waiting for a vaccine is a very high risk strategy You were asked: "Your evidence that a vaccine cannot be found?" Your link didn't do that at all. I didn't say a vaccine cannot be found - but if the plan is that we stay in lockdown until a vaccine is found then it's a bad plan unless there is certainty a vaccine can be found in a short amount of time No the plan is to do vigorous testing. Test track and isolate. The only method that has been proven to work so far. It all starts with testing. Without that we are lost." South Korea have proven this is the best way to tackle the virus | |||
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"The following is easily verifiable. Google for the quotes if you wish to check. Professor Michael Levitt is Professor of Structural Biology at the Stanford School of Medicine, and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for “the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems.” He’s a numbers guy. He describes indiscriminate lockdown measures as “a huge mistake” "I think the policy of herd immunity is the right policy. I think Britain was on exactly the right track before they were fed wrong numbers. And they made a huge mistake. " “There is no doubt in my mind, that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor." What would a Nobel Prize winning Professor know though?" I do find it hard to understand why people are so desperate for him to be wrong? Why do they yearn so much for all this to be the worst it can be possibly be? My view is some people enjoy crisis and drama and don’t want to go back to humdrum ‘normal’. | |||
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" Proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thinge. Perhaps you can share your large knowledge..... get Googling. Hahaha Still waiting! Lol." I don't claim to have a "large knowledge" whatever that may be, I am however smart enough to realise Google is full of shit. Herd immunity and a vaccine are based on the same principal, anti bodies. No anti bodies no immunity. Anti bodies may not last forever Anti Bodies do not guarantee immunity Whilst as I already said, I definitely don't have a 'large knowledge" I did spend 20 years working in immunohematology, virology and immunology so I definitely have a very small knowledge of anti bodies, vaccines and other such shit but I'm not University of fab certified quite yet. I am working on it though. I sincerely hope that clears upy comment. Have an excellent day and keep up the good work | |||
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" Proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thinge. Perhaps you can share your large knowledge..... get Googling. Hahaha Still waiting! Lol. I don't claim to have a "large knowledge" whatever that may be, I am however smart enough to realise Google is full of shit. Herd immunity and a vaccine are based on the same principal, anti bodies. No anti bodies no immunity. Anti bodies may not last forever Anti Bodies do not guarantee immunity Whilst as I already said, I definitely don't have a 'large knowledge" I did spend 20 years working in immunohematology, virology and immunology so I definitely have a very small knowledge of anti bodies, vaccines and other such shit but I'm not University of fab certified quite yet. I am working on it though. I sincerely hope that clears upy comment. Have an excellent day and keep up the good work " Experience, skills, knowledge, ability - what are they? Nothing when compared to the ability to take a picture of yourself with nothing on, sit at a keyboard and spout on. You’ll find graduating from the university of Fab to be far more taxing than a real university. | |||
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" Proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thinge. Perhaps you can share your large knowledge..... get Googling. Hahaha Still waiting! Lol. I don't claim to have a "large knowledge" whatever that may be, I am however smart enough to realise Google is full of shit. Herd immunity and a vaccine are based on the same principal, anti bodies. No anti bodies no immunity. Anti bodies may not last forever Anti Bodies do not guarantee immunity Whilst as I already said, I definitely don't have a 'large knowledge" I did spend 20 years working in immunohematology, virology and immunology so I definitely have a very small knowledge of anti bodies, vaccines and other such shit but I'm not University of fab certified quite yet. I am working on it though. I sincerely hope that clears upy comment. Have an excellent day and keep up the good work Experience, skills, knowledge, ability - what are they? Nothing when compared to the ability to take a picture of yourself with nothing on, sit at a keyboard and spout on. You’ll find graduating from the university of Fab to be far more taxing than a real university. " I know, I have a PhD but I can't seem to get my head round the fantastic expert advice here. I need to try harder | |||
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" Um. You've just provided a link that explains what the difficulties are. Where's a link that says its impossible. I don't need to prove it's impossible just demonstrate that based on all previous time frames regarding vaccine development - waiting for a vaccine is a very high risk strategy You were asked: "Your evidence that a vaccine cannot be found?" Your link didn't do that at all. I didn't say a vaccine cannot be found - but if the plan is that we stay in lockdown until a vaccine is found then it's a bad plan unless there is certainty a vaccine can be found in a short amount of time No the plan is to do vigorous testing. Test track and isolate. The only method that has been proven to work so far. It all starts with testing. Without that we are lost. No the plan at the moment seems to be lockdown" We are in lockdown to get the numbers down. Because you can't track and isolate 3000 new cases per day. Track trace and isolate also does not work with "community infections" | |||
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" Proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thinge. Perhaps you can share your large knowledge..... get Googling. Hahaha Still waiting! Lol. I don't claim to have a "large knowledge" whatever that may be, I am however smart enough to realise Google is full of shit. Herd immunity and a vaccine are based on the same principal, anti bodies. No anti bodies no immunity. Anti bodies may not last forever Anti Bodies do not guarantee immunity Whilst as I already said, I definitely don't have a 'large knowledge" I did spend 20 years working in immunohematology, virology and immunology so I definitely have a very small knowledge of anti bodies, vaccines and other such shit but I'm not University of fab certified quite yet. I am working on it though. I sincerely hope that clears upy comment. Have an excellent day and keep up the good work Experience, skills, knowledge, ability - what are they? Nothing when compared to the ability to take a picture of yourself with nothing on, sit at a keyboard and spout on. You’ll find graduating from the university of Fab to be far more taxing than a real university. I know, I have a PhD but I can't seem to get my head round the fantastic expert advice here. I need to try harder "Yes I’m saddled with a doctorate too - I’d have been better off learning at the university of life | |||
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"The final tier of academic excess. B.S. = bullshit M.S. = more shit Ph.D. = piled higher and deeper. " This would work better if there were actually qualifications called BS and MS | |||
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" Uh-huh.....common theme in Nobel-winning Professors, that.....so many are as thick as pigshit....
FFS. Some of the garbage people come out with here."I think this is a lack of understanding of how people work. Nobel prize winners are absolutely able to talk nonsense when it's not their field of expertise. Being intelligent does not make you automatically right on every issue you speak about. | |||
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"The final tier of academic excess. B.S. = bullshit M.S. = more shit Ph.D. = piled higher and deeper. This would work better if there were actually qualifications called BS and MS " Bachelor of Science and Master of Science. Yes or No | |||
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"The final tier of academic excess. B.S. = bullshit M.S. = more shit Ph.D. = piled higher and deeper. This would work better if there were actually qualifications called BS and MS Bachelor of Science and Master of Science. Yes or No" i presumed to make room for all the phd knowledge he had to let some of the sense of humour out , which is why rather than see it was a joke, he went for the pedantic view of missing the small c B.Sc M.Sc a classic example of how qualifications dont mean you “get” everything | |||
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"The final tier of academic excess. B.S. = bullshit M.S. = more shit Ph.D. = piled higher and deeper. This would work better if there were actually qualifications called BS and MS Bachelor of Science and Master of Science. Yes or No i presumed to make room for all the phd knowledge he had to let some of the sense of humour out , which is why rather than see it was a joke, he went for the pedantic view of missing the small c B.Sc M.Sc a classic example of how qualifications dont mean you “get” everything " Bingo
It was copied from a message my sister sent me when she was studying her Masters degree.
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As a numbers guy what he doesn't seem to have added up is whether our health systems would have been able to cope with the numbers of people needing treatment and the number of young-er people dying would have increased anyway due to covid or other more ordinary things because they would no longer be able to get the best of treatment. | |||
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"The final tier of academic excess. B.S. = bullshit M.S. = more shit Ph.D. = piled higher and deeper. This would work better if there were actually qualifications called BS and MS Bachelor of Science and Master of Science. Yes or No i presumed to make room for all the phd knowledge he had to let some of the sense of humour out , which is why rather than see it was a joke, he went for the pedantic view of missing the small c B.Sc M.Sc a classic example of how qualifications dont mean you “get” everything " I “get” it just fine, I just don’t think it’s particularly funny and it’s also inaccurate. My sense of humour is just fine - but that chip must be weighing you down. | |||
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"The final tier of academic excess. B.S. = bullshit M.S. = more shit Ph.D. = piled higher and deeper. This would work better if there were actually qualifications called BS and MS Bachelor of Science and Master of Science. Yes or No i presumed to make room for all the phd knowledge he had to let some of the sense of humour out , which is why rather than see it was a joke, he went for the pedantic view of missing the small c B.Sc M.Sc a classic example of how qualifications dont mean you “get” everything I “get” it just fine, I just don’t think it’s particularly funny and it’s also inaccurate. My sense of humour is just fine - but that chip must be weighing you down. " i don't like chips, prefer rice or mashed potato i didn't realise jokes had to be 100% accurate , surely that would take the fun out of them and make them just facts im guessing you don't like a pun either | |||
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"The final tier of academic excess. B.S. = bullshit M.S. = more shit Ph.D. = piled higher and deeper. This would work better if there were actually qualifications called BS and MS Bachelor of Science and Master of Science. Yes or No i presumed to make room for all the phd knowledge he had to let some of the sense of humour out , which is why rather than see it was a joke, he went for the pedantic view of missing the small c B.Sc M.Sc a classic example of how qualifications dont mean you “get” everything I “get” it just fine, I just don’t think it’s particularly funny and it’s also inaccurate. My sense of humour is just fine - but that chip must be weighing you down. i don't like chips, prefer rice or mashed potato i didn't realise jokes had to be 100% accurate , surely that would take the fun out of them and make them just facts im guessing you don't like a pun either " In order to make any sense, they have to be based in some way on reality. No one refers to someone having a BS as their degree. I’m very o-pun to puns. I’m sure you’ll think that’s shit, which kind of proves my point. | |||
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"The final tier of academic excess. B.S. = bullshit M.S. = more shit Ph.D. = piled higher and deeper. This would work better if there were actually qualifications called BS and MS Bachelor of Science and Master of Science. Yes or No i presumed to make room for all the phd knowledge he had to let some of the sense of humour out , which is why rather than see it was a joke, he went for the pedantic view of missing the small c B.Sc M.Sc a classic example of how qualifications dont mean you “get” everything I “get” it just fine, I just don’t think it’s particularly funny and it’s also inaccurate. My sense of humour is just fine - but that chip must be weighing you down. i don't like chips, prefer rice or mashed potato i didn't realise jokes had to be 100% accurate , surely that would take the fun out of them and make them just facts im guessing you don't like a pun either In order to make any sense, they have to be based in some way on reality. No one refers to someone having a BS as their degree. I’m very o-pun to puns. I’m sure you’ll think that’s shit, which kind of proves my point. " its odd that multiple of us were able to make sense in the context then eh | |||
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"The final tier of academic excess. B.S. = bullshit M.S. = more shit Ph.D. = piled higher and deeper. This would work better if there were actually qualifications called BS and MS Bachelor of Science and Master of Science. Yes or No i presumed to make room for all the phd knowledge he had to let some of the sense of humour out , which is why rather than see it was a joke, he went for the pedantic view of missing the small c B.Sc M.Sc a classic example of how qualifications dont mean you “get” everything I “get” it just fine, I just don’t think it’s particularly funny and it’s also inaccurate. My sense of humour is just fine - but that chip must be weighing you down. i don't like chips, prefer rice or mashed potato i didn't realise jokes had to be 100% accurate , surely that would take the fun out of them and make them just facts im guessing you don't like a pun either In order to make any sense, they have to be based in some way on reality. No one refers to someone having a BS as their degree. I’m very o-pun to puns. I’m sure you’ll think that’s shit, which kind of proves my point. its odd that multiple of us were able to make sense in the context then eh " It’s not odd at all - I just don’t like it when people seek to undermine those who worked hard and got qualifications. I know, I’m a little snowflake. | |||
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