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"There was a good report on the BBC today, about primary schools in Denmark. They look like they've risen well to the challenges. The children seemed to be more resilient than we could ever imagine. " That was a great feature, British teachers and parents looking for problems Denmark just getting on with it and smiling all the way. | |||
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"There was a good report on the BBC today, about primary schools in Denmark. They look like they've risen well to the challenges. The children seemed to be more resilient than we could ever imagine. That was a great feature, British teachers and parents looking for problems Denmark just getting on with it and smiling all the way. " Bloody teachers, moaning about no PPE and not wanting to die....how dare they!! Luckily, stockbrokers have been furloughed till October... | |||
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"There was a good report on the BBC today, about primary schools in Denmark. They look like they've risen well to the challenges. The children seemed to be more resilient than we could ever imagine. That was a great feature, British teachers and parents looking for problems Denmark just getting on with it and smiling all the way. Couldn't agree more more, bulldog spirit, the Danes have it lol " | |||
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"There was a good report on the BBC today, about primary schools in Denmark. They look like they've risen well to the challenges. The children seemed to be more resilient than we could ever imagine. " They only showed 6 and 7 year olds though. How do you wrangle the younger ones when they have no sense of personal space? | |||
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"The question I heard posed today is why should teachers trust the government regarding schools? Where could teachers look for evidence of the government's competence with dealing with Covid 19?? Ah, maybe the advice they gave to care homes.....ahhh" Where could anyone get advice on covid lol it's a new virus and is causing every nation headaches, but some like the Danes have rolled their sleeves up  | |||
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"My good friend is a school teacher with a mixed yr5 and 6 class, she said that she feels that the children will be better off at home because school won't be school for them. She's also considering giving up teaching because of what they have been asked to do with no guidelines as such. This is a woman who has dedicated her life to teaching. It's so sad." That is very sad. And scary. | |||
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"There was a good report on the BBC today, about primary schools in Denmark. They look like they've risen well to the challenges. The children seemed to be more resilient than we could ever imagine. They only showed 6 and 7 year olds though. How do you wrangle the younger ones when they have no sense of personal space?" Great profile pic!  | |||
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"The question I heard posed today is why should teachers trust the government regarding schools? Where could teachers look for evidence of the government's competence with dealing with Covid 19?? Ah, maybe the advice they gave to care homes.....ahhh Where could anyone get advice on covid lol it's a new virus and is causing every nation headaches, but some like the Danes have rolled their sleeves up "Probably scientists and research. I know that is deeply unfashionable these days. The government doesn't seem to want to publish the science it follows. Maybe they should of 'rolled their sleeves up' in the care homes and it would of been ok....jeez | |||
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"The question I heard posed today is why should teachers trust the government regarding schools? Where could teachers look for evidence of the government's competence with dealing with Covid 19?? Ah, maybe the advice they gave to care homes.....ahhh Where could anyone get advice on covid lol it's a new virus and is causing every nation headaches, but some like the Danes have rolled their sleeves up
Probably scientists and research. I know that is deeply unfashionable these days. The government doesn't seem to want to publish the science it follows. Maybe they should of 'rolled their sleeves up' in the care homes and it would of been ok....jeez"
Research is being done. Before that models and estimates were available based on similar viruses.
It's not like a new pathogen has arrived from Mars. It's a virus, specifically a SARS type corona virus. The virologists, epidemiologists, immunologists, public health experts, etc are on it.
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"Ah, the old 'hate on teachers' mantra kicks in again. The marvelous right wing press.....no doubt fire fighters next. Junior doctors will be in for kick in again soon after Covid is manageable. Obviously kids need to go back, but I think teachers are rightly worried about their exposure with no protection. Nobody sort of get why they might be a tad worried????" It blows my mind that it's the people working in public service roles that get so much stick. | |||
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"The question I heard posed today is why should teachers trust the government regarding schools? Where could teachers look for evidence of the government's competence with dealing with Covid 19?? Ah, maybe the advice they gave to care homes.....ahhh Where could anyone get advice on covid lol it's a new virus and is causing every nation headaches, but some like the Danes have rolled their sleeves up "Does rolling your sleeves up prevent you from catching the virus? | |||
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"The question I heard posed today is why should teachers trust the government regarding schools? Where could teachers look for evidence of the government's competence with dealing with Covid 19?? Ah, maybe the advice they gave to care homes.....ahhh Where could anyone get advice on covid lol it's a new virus and is causing every nation headaches, but some like the Danes have rolled their sleeves up
Does rolling your sleeves up prevent you from catching the virus?"The virus isn't scared of our ridiculous platitudes. | |||
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"The question I heard posed today is why should teachers trust the government regarding schools? Where could teachers look for evidence of the government's competence with dealing with Covid 19?? Ah, maybe the advice they gave to care homes.....ahhh Where could anyone get advice on covid lol it's a new virus and is causing every nation headaches, but some like the Danes have rolled their sleeves up
Does rolling your sleeves up prevent you from catching the virus?
The virus isn't scared of our ridiculous platitudes."I'm sure boris said a while ago we should take it on the chin? | |||
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"The question I heard posed today is why should teachers trust the government regarding schools? Where could teachers look for evidence of the government's competence with dealing with Covid 19?? Ah, maybe the advice they gave to care homes.....ahhh Where could anyone get advice on covid lol it's a new virus and is causing every nation headaches, but some like the Danes have rolled their sleeves up
Does rolling your sleeves up prevent you from catching the virus?
The virus isn't scared of our ridiculous platitudes.
I'm sure boris said a while ago we should take it on the chin?"And something about common sense. | |||
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"The question I heard posed today is why should teachers trust the government regarding schools? Where could teachers look for evidence of the government's competence with dealing with Covid 19?? Ah, maybe the advice they gave to care homes.....ahhh Where could anyone get advice on covid lol it's a new virus and is causing every nation headaches, but some like the Danes have rolled their sleeves up
Does rolling your sleeves up prevent you from catching the virus?
The virus isn't scared of our ridiculous platitudes.
I'm sure boris said a while ago we should take it on the chin?
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"Was interesting I was listening to radio 5 debate and some survey guy said that according to surveys our country is much more pessimistic and cautious about the virus then everyone else in Europe according to their surveys.interesting" Might be to do with our abysmal death rate... | |||
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"Schools have never closed looking after key workers children. I understand teacher's being worried after so many teachers have died because they mixed with young children? ??" Very few children in. Still, what's a few teachers lives eh?? | |||
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"Was interesting I was listening to radio 5 debate and some survey guy said that according to surveys our country is much more pessimistic and cautious about the virus then everyone else in Europe according to their surveys.interesting Might be to do with our abysmal death rate..." It was like that from day one | |||
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"Schools have never closed looking after key workers children. I understand teacher's being worried after so many teachers have died because they mixed with young children? ?? Very few children in. Still, what's a few teachers lives eh??" no one asking for large classes, so more children means more teachers to return. | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. " This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher?? | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher??" I thought I'd read something about query new set of symptoms in children, but can't remember off the top of my head. If we can't spare a thought for the teachers, surely everyone wants to protect kids? | |||
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"Daily mail (I know)are reporting that the education minister has told teaching unions to 'do their duty'and tell teachers to go back to work. The mail are also not to impressed with the unions threat of legal action if teachers are actually put at risk. And people seriously expected things to change post covid." Christ, they're not indentured servants. | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher?? I thought I'd read something about query new set of symptoms in children, but can't remember off the top of my head. If we can't spare a thought for the teachers, surely everyone wants to protect kids?" At the risk of you reporting me, the new symptoms have affected a tiny number of kids. We are not thinking straight here. | |||
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"Daily mail (I know)are reporting that the education minister has told teaching unions to 'do their duty'and tell teachers to go back to work. The mail are also not to impressed with the unions threat of legal action if teachers are actually put at risk. And people seriously expected things to change post covid." Ha ha and 1 of the women in the teaching union is a 'communist lover of Cuba whose 1st word was strike.
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"Daily mail (I know)are reporting that the education minister has told teaching unions to 'do their duty'and tell teachers to go back to work. The mail are also not to impressed with the unions threat of legal action if teachers are actually put at risk. And people seriously expected things to change post covid." They have to get us to hate on somebody, single mums, junior doctors, benefit recipients, those on sick pay, fire fighters, nurses, Muslims, homeless......but just don't look at those running the show, don't....look over there... | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher?? I thought I'd read something about query new set of symptoms in children, but can't remember off the top of my head. If we can't spare a thought for the teachers, surely everyone wants to protect kids? At the risk of you reporting me, the new symptoms have affected a tiny number of kids. We are not thinking straight here. " Isnt it about the kids taking it home? | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher??" That is to protect your mom, if she is fit and youngish should be ok. By next week rules might change anyway. | |||
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"Daily mail (I know)are reporting that the education minister has told teaching unions to 'do their duty'and tell teachers to go back to work. The mail are also not to impressed with the unions threat of legal action if teachers are actually put at risk. And people seriously expected things to change post covid. They have to get us to hate on somebody, single mums, junior doctors, benefit recipients, those on sick pay, fire fighters, nurses, Muslims, homeless......but just don't look at those running the show, don't....look over there..." Agreed. They couldnt function without hating someone. | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher?? I thought I'd read something about query new set of symptoms in children, but can't remember off the top of my head. If we can't spare a thought for the teachers, surely everyone wants to protect kids? At the risk of you reporting me, the new symptoms have affected a tiny number of kids. We are not thinking straight here. " I'm guessing you are not a teacher are you?? | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher?? I thought I'd read something about query new set of symptoms in children, but can't remember off the top of my head. If we can't spare a thought for the teachers, surely everyone wants to protect kids? At the risk of you reporting me, the new symptoms have affected a tiny number of kids. We are not thinking straight here. Isnt it about the kids taking it home?" If they don’t transmit it then what is the risk level? | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher?? I thought I'd read something about query new set of symptoms in children, but can't remember off the top of my head. If we can't spare a thought for the teachers, surely everyone wants to protect kids? At the risk of you reporting me, the new symptoms have affected a tiny number of kids. We are not thinking straight here. Isnt it about the kids taking it home?" I have no idea how a virus would be able to infect adults and not children. That doesn't make any sense at all. And I'm seeing reports of clusters of symptoms in children, so... | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher?? I thought I'd read something about query new set of symptoms in children, but can't remember off the top of my head. If we can't spare a thought for the teachers, surely everyone wants to protect kids? At the risk of you reporting me, the new symptoms have affected a tiny number of kids. We are not thinking straight here. Isnt it about the kids taking it home? If they don’t transmit it then what is the risk level? " There is little evidence they don’t transmit. I know of 6 asymptomatic children who were tested after keyworker parents showed symptoms. 75 teachers dead with a 0.1% attendance .... extrapolate that’s 7500 teacher deaths. Is that acceptable that these people die just for the sake of child minding kids in an environment that is bad for the children’s mental health. Where is your compassion for education staff? | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher?? I thought I'd read something about query new set of symptoms in children, but can't remember off the top of my head. If we can't spare a thought for the teachers, surely everyone wants to protect kids? At the risk of you reporting me, the new symptoms have affected a tiny number of kids. We are not thinking straight here. Isnt it about the kids taking it home? If they don’t transmit it then what is the risk level? There is little evidence they don’t transmit. I know of 6 asymptomatic children who were tested after keyworker parents showed symptoms. 75 teachers dead with a 0.1% attendance .... extrapolate that’s 7500 teacher deaths. Is that acceptable that these people die just for the sake of child minding kids in an environment that is bad for the children’s mental health. Where is your compassion for education staff? " Absolutely!!  | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher?? I thought I'd read something about query new set of symptoms in children, but can't remember off the top of my head. If we can't spare a thought for the teachers, surely everyone wants to protect kids?" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52648557 | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher?? I thought I'd read something about query new set of symptoms in children, but can't remember off the top of my head. If we can't spare a thought for the teachers, surely everyone wants to protect kids? At the risk of you reporting me, the new symptoms have affected a tiny number of kids. We are not thinking straight here. Isnt it about the kids taking it home? If they don’t transmit it then what is the risk level? There is little evidence they don’t transmit. I know of 6 asymptomatic children who were tested after keyworker parents showed symptoms. 75 teachers dead with a 0.1% attendance .... extrapolate that’s 7500 teacher deaths. Is that acceptable that these people die just for the sake of child minding kids in an environment that is bad for the children’s mental health. Where is your compassion for education staff? " not taking away from the deaths but you can not say where the teachers caught it from. Could have been from the shop... petrol station.. family member etc. | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher?? I thought I'd read something about query new set of symptoms in children, but can't remember off the top of my head. If we can't spare a thought for the teachers, surely everyone wants to protect kids? At the risk of you reporting me, the new symptoms have affected a tiny number of kids. We are not thinking straight here. Isnt it about the kids taking it home? If they don’t transmit it then what is the risk level? There is little evidence they don’t transmit. I know of 6 asymptomatic children who were tested after keyworker parents showed symptoms. 75 teachers dead with a 0.1% attendance .... extrapolate that’s 7500 teacher deaths. Is that acceptable that these people die just for the sake of child minding kids in an environment that is bad for the children’s mental health. Where is your compassion for education staff? not taking away from the deaths but you can not say where the teachers caught it from. Could have been from the shop... petrol station.. family member etc. " So put them at risk anyway when we don't know the risks?? | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher?? I thought I'd read something about query new set of symptoms in children, but can't remember off the top of my head. If we can't spare a thought for the teachers, surely everyone wants to protect kids? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52648557" Yes, that's the one, thank you. We don't know what the long term effects of this are, and kids are clearly being infected. | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher?? I thought I'd read something about query new set of symptoms in children, but can't remember off the top of my head. If we can't spare a thought for the teachers, surely everyone wants to protect kids? At the risk of you reporting me, the new symptoms have affected a tiny number of kids. We are not thinking straight here. Isnt it about the kids taking it home? If they don’t transmit it then what is the risk level? There is little evidence they don’t transmit. I know of 6 asymptomatic children who were tested after keyworker parents showed symptoms. 75 teachers dead with a 0.1% attendance .... extrapolate that’s 7500 teacher deaths. Is that acceptable that these people die just for the sake of child minding kids in an environment that is bad for the children’s mental health. Where is your compassion for education staff? not taking away from the deaths but you can not say where the teachers caught it from. Could have been from the shop... petrol station.. family member etc. " So why is the population of teacher deaths higher than those of postal workers then? Surely they go to shops and get petrol? Why also are teachers not required to socially distance or wear masks? Why can they spend all day with 15 5 year olds but not see their 5 year old granddaughter. | |||
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"This time away from the classroom and learning is deeply damaging for the development of all children but most especially those who do not have access to tech equipment and online learning materials. deaths figures show kids are less likely to die from covid, and research says they do not play a significant role in transmission. teachers average age in the UK is 43 Deaths (Ages) 0-1 - 0 1-14 - 2 (with underlying issues) 15-44 - 382 Schools should be open and children being educated . " Are you a teacher? | |||
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"This time away from the classroom and learning is deeply damaging for the development of all children but most especially those who do not have access to tech equipment and online learning materials. deaths figures show kids are less likely to die from covid, and research says they do not play a significant role in transmission. teachers average age in the UK is 43 Deaths (Ages) 0-1 - 0 1-14 - 2 (with underlying issues) 15-44 - 382 Schools should be open and children being educated . " Death is not the only bad outcome of illness. I don't know why shielding children, who are almost always considered vulnerable in any evaluation of anything, is a bad thing. It's an inescapable reality that the education and development of children will be impacted by the global trauma we're all going through. | |||
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"This time away from the classroom and learning is deeply damaging for the development of all children but most especially those who do not have access to tech equipment and online learning materials. deaths figures show kids are less likely to die from covid, and research says they do not play a significant role in transmission. teachers average age in the UK is 43 Deaths (Ages) 0-1 - 0 1-14 - 2 (with underlying issues) 15-44 - 382 Schools should be open and children being educated . Are you a teacher? " I think we know the answer! | |||
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"This time away from the classroom and learning is deeply damaging for the development of all children but most especially those who do not have access to tech equipment and online learning materials. deaths figures show kids are less likely to die from covid, and research says they do not play a significant role in transmission. teachers average age in the UK is 43 Deaths (Ages) 0-1 - 0 1-14 - 2 (with underlying issues) 15-44 - 382 Schools should be open and children being educated . Are you a teacher? I think we know the answer!" Hahah now come come he may actually have spent time in a classroom in the last 40 years. He may have an informed point to make - surely someone who has no relevant knowledge or experience in the sector we are talking about would be so arrogant as to make such sweeping statements. | |||
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"This time away from the classroom and learning is deeply damaging for the development of all children but most especially those who do not have access to tech equipment and online learning materials. deaths figures show kids are less likely to die from covid, and research says they do not play a significant role in transmission. teachers average age in the UK is 43 Deaths (Ages) 0-1 - 0 1-14 - 2 (with underlying issues) 15-44 - 382 Schools should be open and children being educated . Are you a teacher? I think we know the answer! Hahah now come come he may actually have spent time in a classroom in the last 40 years. He may have an informed point to make - surely someone who has no relevant knowledge or experience in the sector we are talking about would be so arrogant as to make such sweeping statements. " Seemingly, everybody is an expert..... | |||
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" So put them at risk anyway when we don't know the risks??" where have I said anyone should be put at risk. I'm pointing out that the sensationalist newspapers are making connections that could be not there. No one should be at risk .... although I'm at risk day in day out as there is no other way to do what I do. Ppe isnt really an option.. so i take the choice to carry on...and I'm not even paid to do it. There is numerous reports about children and this virus.. many conflicting ones... although many do seem to suggest that for some reason this virus doesn't cause children to be the germ Carriers that they normally are. The fact that teachers and pupils will be able to be tested is a good thing. We do need to think about both the teachers and the children..and I think that children will find it almost impossible to social distance. I have a school opposite me and while obviously it's only limited children in at the moment.. I've not really witnessed any social distancing when they are in the playground x | |||
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"Ok lets not be personal, just debate instead" It’s personal to the people at risk of dying | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher?? I thought I'd read something about query new set of symptoms in children, but can't remember off the top of my head. If we can't spare a thought for the teachers, surely everyone wants to protect kids? At the risk of you reporting me, the new symptoms have affected a tiny number of kids. We are not thinking straight here. Isnt it about the kids taking it home? If they don’t transmit it then what is the risk level? There is little evidence they don’t transmit. I know of 6 asymptomatic children who were tested after keyworker parents showed symptoms. 75 teachers dead with a 0.1% attendance .... extrapolate that’s 7500 teacher deaths. Is that acceptable that these people die just for the sake of child minding kids in an environment that is bad for the children’s mental health. Where is your compassion for education staff? not taking away from the deaths but you can not say where the teachers caught it from. Could have been from the shop... petrol station.. family member etc. So why is the population of teacher deaths higher than those of postal workers then? Surely they go to shops and get petrol? Why also are teachers not required to socially distance or wear masks? Why can they spend all day with 15 5 year olds but not see their 5 year old granddaughter. " do we actually have a break down of jobs of people that have died.... I am not saying It isnt more risky but surely schools would be being shut if it was a direct link.. I dont have the answers just making a discussion... And for the record lots of my friends are teachers that have been working this entire time. | |||
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"Ok lets not be personal, just debate instead It’s personal to the people at risk of dying " Do as asked please | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher?? I thought I'd read something about query new set of symptoms in children, but can't remember off the top of my head. If we can't spare a thought for the teachers, surely everyone wants to protect kids? At the risk of you reporting me, the new symptoms have affected a tiny number of kids. We are not thinking straight here. Isnt it about the kids taking it home? If they don’t transmit it then what is the risk level? There is little evidence they don’t transmit. I know of 6 asymptomatic children who were tested after keyworker parents showed symptoms. 75 teachers dead with a 0.1% attendance .... extrapolate that’s 7500 teacher deaths. Is that acceptable that these people die just for the sake of child minding kids in an environment that is bad for the children’s mental health. Where is your compassion for education staff? not taking away from the deaths but you can not say where the teachers caught it from. Could have been from the shop... petrol station.. family member etc. So why is the population of teacher deaths higher than those of postal workers then? Surely they go to shops and get petrol? Why also are teachers not required to socially distance or wear masks? Why can they spend all day with 15 5 year olds but not see their 5 year old granddaughter. do we actually have a break down of jobs of people that have died.... I am not saying It isnt more risky but surely schools would be being shut if it was a direct link.. I dont have the answers just making a discussion... And for the record lots of my friends are teachers that have been working this entire time. " Yes we have a breakdown and schools are open to key workers at the moment - teachers are on a rota so are not exposed for continuous amounts of time. Also their are only 0.1% of pupils in attendance spread over the whole school so the pupil/ teacher ratio is high and the available space means lots of spacing. This won’t be the case when wider opening is achieved. | |||
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"I don’t believe you need to be a teacher to have an opinion based on verified statistics and researched analysis. I believe the bigger picture here is the valuable education children, especially those from disadvantaged homes and communities, are being denied." We don't know the long term effects this disease has on anyone, including children. The data are preliminary. Educational disruption needs to be balanced against health risk. | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher?? I thought I'd read something about query new set of symptoms in children, but can't remember off the top of my head. If we can't spare a thought for the teachers, surely everyone wants to protect kids? At the risk of you reporting me, the new symptoms have affected a tiny number of kids. We are not thinking straight here. Isnt it about the kids taking it home? If they don’t transmit it then what is the risk level? There is little evidence they don’t transmit. I know of 6 asymptomatic children who were tested after keyworker parents showed symptoms. 75 teachers dead with a 0.1% attendance .... extrapolate that’s 7500 teacher deaths. Is that acceptable that these people die just for the sake of child minding kids in an environment that is bad for the children’s mental health. Where is your compassion for education staff? not taking away from the deaths but you can not say where the teachers caught it from. Could have been from the shop... petrol station.. family member etc. So why is the population of teacher deaths higher than those of postal workers then? Surely they go to shops and get petrol? Why also are teachers not required to socially distance or wear masks? Why can they spend all day with 15 5 year olds but not see their 5 year old granddaughter. do we actually have a break down of jobs of people that have died.... I am not saying It isnt more risky but surely schools would be being shut if it was a direct link.. I dont have the answers just making a discussion... And for the record lots of my friends are teachers that have been working this entire time. Yes we have a breakdown and schools are open to key workers at the moment - teachers are on a rota so are not exposed for continuous amounts of time. Also their are only 0.1% of pupils in attendance spread over the whole school so the pupil/ teacher ratio is high and the available space means lots of spacing. This won’t be the case when wider opening is achieved. " I would also say that the children still going in currently are key workers children which sadly means they could be the ones more at risk of exposure. Something I discussed with a teacher a few days ago as I'd not even thought about it | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher?? I thought I'd read something about query new set of symptoms in children, but can't remember off the top of my head. If we can't spare a thought for the teachers, surely everyone wants to protect kids? At the risk of you reporting me, the new symptoms have affected a tiny number of kids. We are not thinking straight here. Isnt it about the kids taking it home? If they don’t transmit it then what is the risk level? There is little evidence they don’t transmit. I know of 6 asymptomatic children who were tested after keyworker parents showed symptoms. 75 teachers dead with a 0.1% attendance .... extrapolate that’s 7500 teacher deaths. Is that acceptable that these people die just for the sake of child minding kids in an environment that is bad for the children’s mental health. Where is your compassion for education staff? not taking away from the deaths but you can not say where the teachers caught it from. Could have been from the shop... petrol station.. family member etc. So why is the population of teacher deaths higher than those of postal workers then? Surely they go to shops and get petrol? Why also are teachers not required to socially distance or wear masks? Why can they spend all day with 15 5 year olds but not see their 5 year old granddaughter. do we actually have a break down of jobs of people that have died.... I am not saying It isnt more risky but surely schools would be being shut if it was a direct link.. I dont have the answers just making a discussion... And for the record lots of my friends are teachers that have been working this entire time. Yes we have a breakdown and schools are open to key workers at the moment - teachers are on a rota so are not exposed for continuous amounts of time. Also their are only 0.1% of pupils in attendance spread over the whole school so the pupil/ teacher ratio is high and the available space means lots of spacing. This won’t be the case when wider opening is achieved. " Rota staff so you catch it if you spend a lot of time with someone infected. Ok open the pubs I only go in for an hour. | |||
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"I don’t believe you need to be a teacher to have an opinion based on verified statistics and researched analysis. I believe the bigger picture here is the valuable education children, especially those from disadvantaged homes and communities, are being denied. We don't know the long term effects this disease has on anyone, including children. The data are preliminary. Educational disruption needs to be balanced against health risk. Where the health risk appears to be considerably low and with an additional layer of protections in place, the advantages of having children back in classrooms learning would outweigh the very low/safe risks." I'm unconvinced at this stage. | |||
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"I don’t believe you need to be a teacher to have an opinion based on verified statistics and researched analysis. I believe the bigger picture here is the valuable education children, especially those from disadvantaged homes and communities, are being denied." I believe that if you are commenting on what is and isn’t possible in a classroom you should have at least spent time in one recently. The best research you can do is spend a day with 15 potentially asymptomatic 6 year olds and then see how vulnerable you feel with no PPE or social distancing. | |||
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"Schools aren’t care homes - there is some evidence that children don’t pass the virus on to adults. This must be why my mum can't see my grandson then?? Where is the evidence? I have this feeling that nobody on this thread is a teacher?? I thought I'd read something about query new set of symptoms in children, but can't remember off the top of my head. If we can't spare a thought for the teachers, surely everyone wants to protect kids? At the risk of you reporting me, the new symptoms have affected a tiny number of kids. We are not thinking straight here. Isnt it about the kids taking it home? If they don’t transmit it then what is the risk level? There is little evidence they don’t transmit. I know of 6 asymptomatic children who were tested after keyworker parents showed symptoms. 75 teachers dead with a 0.1% attendance .... extrapolate that’s 7500 teacher deaths. Is that acceptable that these people die just for the sake of child minding kids in an environment that is bad for the children’s mental health. Where is your compassion for education staff? not taking away from the deaths but you can not say where the teachers caught it from. Could have been from the shop... petrol station.. family member etc. So why is the population of teacher deaths higher than those of postal workers then? Surely they go to shops and get petrol? Why also are teachers not required to socially distance or wear masks? Why can they spend all day with 15 5 year olds but not see their 5 year old granddaughter. do we actually have a break down of jobs of people that have died.... I am not saying It isnt more risky but surely schools would be being shut if it was a direct link.. I dont have the answers just making a discussion... And for the record lots of my friends are teachers that have been working this entire time. Yes we have a breakdown and schools are open to key workers at the moment - teachers are on a rota so are not exposed for continuous amounts of time. Also their are only 0.1% of pupils in attendance spread over the whole school so the pupil/ teacher ratio is high and the available space means lots of spacing. This won’t be the case when wider opening is achieved. Rota staff so you catch it if you spend a lot of time with someone infected. Ok open the pubs I only go in for an hour." Viral load .... | |||
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"Apparently you can only give an opinion if you’re a teacher. As this is the virus section who knew we had so many epidemiologists and virologists on fab." Haha that made me laugh - My point was just that the expectations people have of 5 year olds surprises me and I wondered if they knew this through experience or whether they were speculating. I cannot imagine 5 year olds washing hands themselves properly not needing cuddles or understanding social distancing so I wondered if someone who knew better could tell me I’m wrong. | |||
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"I don’t believe you need to be a teacher to have an opinion based on verified statistics and researched analysis. I believe the bigger picture here is the valuable education children, especially those from disadvantaged homes and communities, are being denied. The link I found said 26 teaching staff have died, that seems a lot if they are" Would be interesting to look at the age range for the teaching staff deaths. Where the average age is 43, and the total eng/wal deaths in the age range 15-44 is 382, I wonder if a higher proportion of the 26 deaths were in the 50+ age group . The other statistic, which is quite interesting is that of all the deaths where covid is mentioned, 10% were in the working age bracket (20-60 year old), and of those 10%, 80% had underlying medical conditions. | |||
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"If parents shielding where does child go to after school Therefore splitting family up It's not about kids getting it it's, about them poo asking it on and all grandparents picking up from school September only option " Someone asked that question on the news the other night. They were told that their child should go to school and the vunerable person should self isolate!! I wouldn't be sending my r or yr1 back in 2 weeks, no way. | |||
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"So we're does the child live" In their family home obviously. If they live with a parent who is vunerable, that parent must self isolate. That's what I meant. It's not going to work is it? | |||
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" That was a great feature, British teachers and parents looking for problems Denmark just getting on with it and smiling all the way. " Maybe its more to do with the fact Denmark haven't had the same crisis, we have. | |||
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"The question I heard posed today is why should teachers trust the government regarding schools? Where could teachers look for evidence of the government's competence with dealing with Covid 19?? Ah, maybe the advice they gave to care homes.....ahhh" The questions I would want to be answered are - if social distancing is so important why isn’t it important in schools? I would also ask if children can carry (even if it may be small numbers) and shed the virus but scientists have no idea how much they shed, then how can it be safe to be around the children without the all important scientific evidence to back it up? And why if it is dangerous to meet in large groups is it ok for schools to have 200+ people in them all day every day? Some teaching assistants are elbow deep in all sorts of bodily fluids in a daily basis and with nursery and reception going back to school their personal safety should be important because the little ones are going to be shedding all sorts. I heard a minister say tat it is all about balance - no you can’t keep 2m in schools or public transport but we need people to get back to some normality. If I was a member of school staff I wouldn’t be happy with that response. And ... when did nursery appear? Boris didn’t mention it in his speech but they were part of the mix by the next day. | |||
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"The question I heard posed today is why should teachers trust the government regarding schools? Where could teachers look for evidence of the government's competence with dealing with Covid 19?? Ah, maybe the advice they gave to care homes.....ahhh The questions I would want to be answered are - if social distancing is so important why isn’t it important in schools? I would also ask if children can carry (even if it may be small numbers) and shed the virus but scientists have no idea how much they shed, then how can it be safe to be around the children without the all important scientific evidence to back it up? And why if it is dangerous to meet in large groups is it ok for schools to have 200+ people in them all day every day? Some teaching assistants are elbow deep in all sorts of bodily fluids in a daily basis and with nursery and reception going back to school their personal safety should be important because the little ones are going to be shedding all sorts. I heard a minister say tat it is all about balance - no you can’t keep 2m in schools or public transport but we need people to get back to some normality. If I was a member of school staff I wouldn’t be happy with that response. And ... when did nursery appear? Boris didn’t mention it in his speech but they were part of the mix by the next day. " If it's down to viral load then teaching assistants will be dropping like flies. I heard the union had written to the government 3 times asking them to publish the science behind the decision.....still awaiting a response. | |||
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" If it's down to viral load then teaching assistants will be dropping like flies. I heard the union had written to the government 3 times asking them to publish the science behind the decision.....still awaiting a response." They probably haven’t got the science behind their decision. It doesn’t instil confidence. | |||
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" If it's down to viral load then teaching assistants will be dropping like flies. I heard the union had written to the government 3 times asking them to publish the science behind the decision.....still awaiting a response. They probably haven’t got the science behind their decision. It doesn’t instil confidence. " Briefing them this morning apparently.. | |||
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"Not 1st of June yet. Hopefully guidance out in plenty of time. Some of us have been working all the way through, having to go into food production places, nursing homes, sheltered housing, hospitals. " Yes in June I should have stated | |||
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"I can tell you. I have been working in many schools during the lockdown and there is absolutely no way they can socially distance children even a smaller than average sized class will be near on impossible. And what about special needs schools where teacher's have to get hands on ? " Special needs schools have been open all the way through, and are still hands on. OH is a teacher at one. | |||
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"Not 1st of June yet. Hopefully guidance out in plenty of time. Some of us have been working all the way through, having to go into food production places, nursing homes, sheltered housing, hospitals. " Schools have been open all the way through as well. | |||
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"Not 1st of June yet. Hopefully guidance out in plenty of time. Some of us have been working all the way through, having to go into food production places, nursing homes, sheltered housing, hospitals. Schools have been open all the way through as well. " Was it not just for children of key workers? Maybe I'm wrong. | |||
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"Not 1st of June yet. Hopefully guidance out in plenty of time. Some of us have been working all the way through, having to go into food production places, nursing homes, sheltered housing, hospitals. Schools have been open all the way through as well. Was it not just for children of key workers? Maybe I'm wrong." Key workers children and children with special needs and those "at risk" | |||
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"I can tell you. I have been working in many schools during the lockdown and there is absolutely no way they can socially distance children even a smaller than average sized class will be near on impossible. And what about special needs schools where teacher's have to get hands on ? Special needs schools have been open all the way through, and are still hands on. OH is a teacher at one." I know they have I've been working in few of them and I seen their unable to social distance due to the nature of what they do do and that's on a far reduced capacity the normal if they opened properly it will be mayhem and a recipe for disaster | |||
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"Sadly from my experience with them, unions are not "can do", more "oh no we wont do" This country needs more positivity. Whatever can we do to help, what can we do to make things better." It certainly seems the Teachers Union have said no to them returning. | |||
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"Sadly from my experience with them, unions are not "can do", more "oh no we wont do" This country needs more positivity. Whatever can we do to help, what can we do to make things better." You still don't seem to be getting the point. Why should teachers trust this government when they advised care homes that the virus wouldn't really effect them?? | |||
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"I appreciate there is much talk of not being able to socially distance. If the science leads the conversation and there is strong evidence that the risks are very low in a school environment then there is no reason schools should not be opening. Like in every other working environment, management should be planning how to make this happen, rather than fearing the ‘what ifs’ The unions can help with this by adopting a can do approach and work together to make sure children can be educated. " So, in your view, what is an acceptable number of teachers to lose if the 'science' isn't right? All along we have been 'following the science' just ours seems to have been different. | |||
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"If the scientists can show the risks are very low then this should be the leading subject of the dialogue with all stakeholders. " And both sides are meeting today. Let's hope they are open and public with the discussions and results. | |||
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"The government are now saying they think it will be 99% safe for teachers in 2023 ,so put the kettle on put your feet up its going to be a long haul. " The government said care homes would be ok.....here lies the problem | |||
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"Oh it wasn’t aimed at you. Prior to Covid fab was full tariff experts. "She was the only one who had said it though. | |||
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"The government are now saying they think it will be 99% safe for teachers in 2023 ,so put the kettle on put your feet up its going to be a long haul. The government said care homes would be ok.....here lies the problem" When did they say that? First speech on lockdown was the old and vulnerable must be protected. But true never said care homes I give you that. | |||
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"Sadly from my experience with them, unions are not "can do", more "oh no we wont do" This country needs more positivity. Whatever can we do to help, what can we do to make things better. It certainly seems the Teachers Union have said no to them returning. " They are looking out for the safety of their members. It's their job.As clearly you wouldnt rely on the gmnt. | |||
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"The government are now saying they think it will be 99% safe for teachers in 2023 ,so put the kettle on put your feet up its going to be a long haul. The government said care homes would be ok.....here lies the problemWhen did they say that? First speech on lockdown was the old and vulnerable must be protected. But true never said care homes I give you that." It's what the current furor is about between Starmer and Johnson..the advice didn't change to care homes till mid March I think. | |||
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"Sadly from my experience with them, unions are not "can do", more "oh no we wont do" This country needs more positivity. Whatever can we do to help, what can we do to make things better." From my experience unions bend over backwards.However they are there to look after the people in their union. This is their primary concern and rightly so. | |||
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"Our school sent out a WhatsApp poll asking parents if happy to send kids back to school. Only 22% said yes. As much as I want them to go back I really can't see how they are going to manage social distancing. " to be fair with the school issue. There is more than the risk of infection. There is the worry on how the social distancing within schools and the changes to how things are done will effect the children mentally. Can you imagine going to school and having to basically be in isolation.. isolation or being by yourself at school has been a punishment for a long time. Many children with special needs would find ppe being worn hard to deal with too ( as I've found adults with these needs find it scary and disorientating enough) So I think that side needs looking at as well as the possible risk to teachers and pupils. But we do need to start getting back to some sort of norm over the next few months but I have no idea what the answer is | |||
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"I don’t believe you need to be a teacher to have an opinion based on verified statistics and researched analysis. I believe the bigger picture here is the valuable education children, especially those from disadvantaged homes and communities, are being denied. The link I found said 26 teaching staff have died, that seems a lot if they are Would be interesting to look at the age range for the teaching staff deaths. Where the average age is 43, and the total eng/wal deaths in the age range 15-44 is 382, I wonder if a higher proportion of the 26 deaths were in the 50+ age group . The other statistic, which is quite interesting is that of all the deaths where covid is mentioned, 10% were in the working age bracket (20-60 year old), and of those 10%, 80% had underlying medical conditions. " Does it matter what age group is? You could argue if they had underlying health issues they shouldn't have been put at risk at all | |||
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"Our school sent out a WhatsApp poll asking parents if happy to send kids back to school. Only 22% said yes. As much as I want them to go back I really can't see how they are going to manage social distancing. to be fair with the school issue. There is more than the risk of infection. There is the worry on how the social distancing within schools and the changes to how things are done will effect the children mentally. Can you imagine going to school and having to basically be in isolation.. isolation or being by yourself at school has been a punishment for a long time. Many children with special needs would find ppe being worn hard to deal with too ( as I've found adults with these needs find it scary and disorientating enough) So I think that side needs looking at as well as the possible risk to teachers and pupils. But we do need to start getting back to some sort of norm over the next few months but I have no idea what the answer is " Absolutely agree. | |||
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"The question I heard posed today is why should teachers trust the government regarding schools? Where could teachers look for evidence of the government's competence with dealing with Covid 19?? Ah, maybe the advice they gave to care homes.....ahhh The questions I would want to be answered are - if social distancing is so important why isn’t it important in schools? I would also ask if children can carry (even if it may be small numbers) and shed the virus but scientists have no idea how much they shed, then how can it be safe to be around the children without the all important scientific evidence to back it up? And why if it is dangerous to meet in large groups is it ok for schools to have 200+ people in them all day every day? Some teaching assistants are elbow deep in all sorts of bodily fluids in a daily basis and with nursery and reception going back to school their personal safety should be important because the little ones are going to be shedding all sorts. I heard a minister say tat it is all about balance - no you can’t keep 2m in schools or public transport but we need people to get back to some normality. If I was a member of school staff I wouldn’t be happy with that response. And ... when did nursery appear? Boris didn’t mention it in his speech but they were part of the mix by the next day. If it's down to viral load then teaching assistants will be dropping like flies. I heard the union had written to the government 3 times asking them to publish the science behind the decision.....still awaiting a response." These unions should just adopt a"can do'approach. | |||
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"I don’t believe you need to be a teacher to have an opinion based on verified statistics and researched analysis. I believe the bigger picture here is the valuable education children, especially those from disadvantaged homes and communities, are being denied. The link I found said 26 teaching staff have died, that seems a lot if they are Would be interesting to look at the age range for the teaching staff deaths. Where the average age is 43, and the total eng/wal deaths in the age range 15-44 is 382, I wonder if a higher proportion of the 26 deaths were in the 50+ age group . The other statistic, which is quite interesting is that of all the deaths where covid is mentioned, 10% were in the working age bracket (20-60 year old), and of those 10%, 80% had underlying medical conditions. Does it matter what age group is? You could argue if they had underlying health issues they shouldn't have been put at risk at all" Yes, as the scientists find out how the virus works then the teachers in a specific age group and/or with underlying health conditions can be identified and provided with specific advice. We cant prevent schools from opening because there is a small chance that a small number of people may contract the virus. | |||
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"I don’t believe you need to be a teacher to have an opinion based on verified statistics and researched analysis. I believe the bigger picture here is the valuable education children, especially those from disadvantaged homes and communities, are being denied. The link I found said 26 teaching staff have died, that seems a lot if they are Would be interesting to look at the age range for the teaching staff deaths. Where the average age is 43, and the total eng/wal deaths in the age range 15-44 is 382, I wonder if a higher proportion of the 26 deaths were in the 50+ age group . The other statistic, which is quite interesting is that of all the deaths where covid is mentioned, 10% were in the working age bracket (20-60 year old), and of those 10%, 80% had underlying medical conditions. Does it matter what age group is? You could argue if they had underlying health issues they shouldn't have been put at risk at all Yes, as the scientists find out how the virus works then the teachers in a specific age group and/or with underlying health conditions can be identified and provided with specific advice. We cant prevent schools from opening because there is a small chance that a small number of people may contract the virus. " They are not asking not to open, they are asking for adequate protection. | |||
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"I don’t believe you need to be a teacher to have an opinion based on verified statistics and researched analysis. I believe the bigger picture here is the valuable education children, especially those from disadvantaged homes and communities, are being denied. The link I found said 26 teaching staff have died, that seems a lot if they are Would be interesting to look at the age range for the teaching staff deaths. Where the average age is 43, and the total eng/wal deaths in the age range 15-44 is 382, I wonder if a higher proportion of the 26 deaths were in the 50+ age group . The other statistic, which is quite interesting is that of all the deaths where covid is mentioned, 10% were in the working age bracket (20-60 year old), and of those 10%, 80% had underlying medical conditions. Does it matter what age group is? You could argue if they had underlying health issues they shouldn't have been put at risk at all Yes, as the scientists find out how the virus works then the teachers in a specific age group and/or with underlying health conditions can be identified and provided with specific advice. We cant prevent schools from opening because there is a small chance that a small number of people may contract the virus. " To be fair I didn't say any of that, in fact I have not given my opinion of whether I think they schools should stay shut or not. The issue I have is the implication that if people are of a certain age then maybe there shouldn't be a surprise if they die. People of all ages have died of this, some with no conditions at all. Also having health conditions isn't subject to age. People with health conditions can and do manage them for many years. Saying oh well they may have been over 60 or have health conditions is like people said at the beginning of all this..which seemed to be it is ok, only 70's will get it as if the over 70's don't matter | |||
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"I don’t believe you need to be a teacher to have an opinion based on verified statistics and researched analysis. I believe the bigger picture here is the valuable education children, especially those from disadvantaged homes and communities, are being denied. The link I found said 26 teaching staff have died, that seems a lot if they are Would be interesting to look at the age range for the teaching staff deaths. Where the average age is 43, and the total eng/wal deaths in the age range 15-44 is 382, I wonder if a higher proportion of the 26 deaths were in the 50+ age group . The other statistic, which is quite interesting is that of all the deaths where covid is mentioned, 10% were in the working age bracket (20-60 year old), and of those 10%, 80% had underlying medical conditions. Does it matter what age group is? You could argue if they had underlying health issues they shouldn't have been put at risk at all Yes, as the scientists find out how the virus works then the teachers in a specific age group and/or with underlying health conditions can be identified and provided with specific advice. We cant prevent schools from opening because there is a small chance that a small number of people may contract the virus. To be fair I didn't say any of that, in fact I have not given my opinion of whether I think they schools should stay shut or not. The issue I have is the implication that if people are of a certain age then maybe there shouldn't be a surprise if they die. People of all ages have died of this, some with no conditions at all. Also having health conditions isn't subject to age. People with health conditions can and do manage them for many years. Saying oh well they may have been over 60 or have health conditions is like people said at the beginning of all this..which seemed to be it is ok, only 70's will get it as if the over 70's don't matter " I developed my lifelong incurable medical condition when I was thirteen. It's eminently manageable. | |||
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"I don’t believe you need to be a teacher to have an opinion based on verified statistics and researched analysis. I believe the bigger picture here is the valuable education children, especially those from disadvantaged homes and communities, are being denied. The link I found said 26 teaching staff have died, that seems a lot if they are Would be interesting to look at the age range for the teaching staff deaths. Where the average age is 43, and the total eng/wal deaths in the age range 15-44 is 382, I wonder if a higher proportion of the 26 deaths were in the 50+ age group . The other statistic, which is quite interesting is that of all the deaths where covid is mentioned, 10% were in the working age bracket (20-60 year old), and of those 10%, 80% had underlying medical conditions. Does it matter what age group is? You could argue if they had underlying health issues they shouldn't have been put at risk at all Yes, as the scientists find out how the virus works then the teachers in a specific age group and/or with underlying health conditions can be identified and provided with specific advice. We cant prevent schools from opening because there is a small chance that a small number of people may contract the virus. To be fair I didn't say any of that, in fact I have not given my opinion of whether I think they schools should stay shut or not. The issue I have is the implication that if people are of a certain age then maybe there shouldn't be a surprise if they die. People of all ages have died of this, some with no conditions at all. Also having health conditions isn't subject to age. People with health conditions can and do manage them for many years. Saying oh well they may have been over 60 or have health conditions is like people said at the beginning of all this..which seemed to be it is ok, only 70's will get it as if the over 70's don't matter " If the science and data suggests the risk is very low in the school environment, and advice is given based on that, I don't believe highlighting this analysis is the same thing as suggesting there is an implication that if people are of a certain age then maybe there shouldn't be a surprise if they die. I certainly haven't said that. If the data points to a particular set of people being most vulnerable then it is these people who should receive the most protection. Thats my view. To restrict and affect all of the school environment, because there is a very small percentage of people in that environment may have a very small chance of catching the virus, makes no sense | |||
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"I work in Special Needs and what used to called EBD schools as an agency worker, not at the moment because my day rate isn't worth increasing my risk of getting COVID-19, and those students who are capable of understanding all of this are allowed to wear masks, PPE etc.....the staff however are NOT allowed and are NOT being provided PPE, gloves, hand gel etc as 'it may cause anxiety in the learner' Also as someone who worked with learners who need 1-2-1 personal care or 1-2-1 help in their lessons you CANNOT do this by social distance. There needs to be Plan A and Plan B and Plan C and all the plans to make it safe for EVERYONE to be back at school. Most Teachers I know WANT to be back at school with their learners but at the right time with the plans. Is that too much to ask? Schools are NOT babysitting services. Schools are NOT Day Care Centres. Schools are NOT childminders." I support you. | |||
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"I work in Special Needs and what used to called EBD schools as an agency worker, not at the moment because my day rate isn't worth increasing my risk of getting COVID-19, and those students who are capable of understanding all of this are allowed to wear masks, PPE etc.....the staff however are NOT allowed and are NOT being provided PPE, gloves, hand gel etc as 'it may cause anxiety in the learner' Also as someone who worked with learners who need 1-2-1 personal care or 1-2-1 help in their lessons you CANNOT do this by social distance. There needs to be Plan A and Plan B and Plan C and all the plans to make it safe for EVERYONE to be back at school. Most Teachers I know WANT to be back at school with their learners but at the right time with the plans. Is that too much to ask? Schools are NOT babysitting services. Schools are NOT Day Care Centres. Schools are NOT childminders. I support you." Thank you. And I'm sure the majority of people do support those of us who work in education. And yes, having kids at home all day everyday is hard work without a break. I understand. But today while I was running my errands I saw 2 funeral cars. One of them had a very small casket in the funeral car. No-one wants anymore caskets and following the rules and adjusting to 'the new normal' for a bit longer is what's needed. | |||
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"Oh it wasn’t aimed at you. Prior to Covid fab was full tariff experts.
She was the only one who had said it though."Oh no she wasn’t. | |||
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"When MPs decide it’s perfectly safe for them all to be back at Westminster is the time when everyone else should get back to normal. If they’re not risking anything for themselves then they should expect any other profession do so either. (NHS worker here) " Brilliant point | |||
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"When MPs decide it’s perfectly safe for them all to be back at Westminster is the time when everyone else should get back to normal. If they’re not risking anything for themselves then they should expect any other profession do so either. (NHS worker here) Brilliant point" Yup. If it's good enough for them it's good enough for us. | |||
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"When MPs decide it’s perfectly safe for them all to be back at Westminster is the time when everyone else should get back to normal. If they’re not risking anything for themselves then they should expect any other profession do so either. (NHS worker here) Brilliant point Yup. If it's good enough for them it's good enough for us." I know it's often said that the performances inside the House of Commons are comparable with those in a school playground, but it doesn't make any sense to follow the "if it's ok for them it's ok for the rest of us" logic. | |||
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" To restrict and affect all of the school environment, because there is a very small percentage of people in that environment may have a very small chance of catching the virus, makes no sense " Which wasn't what I said at all | |||
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" To restrict and affect all of the school environment, because there is a very small percentage of people in that environment may have a very small chance of catching the virus, makes no sense Which wasn't what I said at all "I didn’t say you did 
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"I don’t believe you need to be a teacher to have an opinion based on verified statistics and researched analysis. I believe the bigger picture here is the valuable education children, especially those from disadvantaged homes and communities, are being denied. The link I found said 26 teaching staff have died, that seems a lot if they are Would be interesting to look at the age range for the teaching staff deaths. Where the average age is 43, and the total eng/wal deaths in the age range 15-44 is 382, I wonder if a higher proportion of the 26 deaths were in the 50+ age group . The other statistic, which is quite interesting is that of all the deaths where covid is mentioned, 10% were in the working age bracket (20-60 year old), and of those 10%, 80% had underlying medical conditions. Does it matter what age group is? You could argue if they had underlying health issues they shouldn't have been put at risk at all Yes, as the scientists find out how the virus works then the teachers in a specific age group and/or with underlying health conditions can be identified and provided with specific advice. We cant prevent schools from opening because there is a small chance that a small number of people may contract the virus. To be fair I didn't say any of that, in fact I have not given my opinion of whether I think they schools should stay shut or not. The issue I have is the implication that if people are of a certain age then maybe there shouldn't be a surprise if they die. People of all ages have died of this, some with no conditions at all. Also having health conditions isn't subject to age. People with health conditions can and do manage them for many years. Saying oh well they may have been over 60 or have health conditions is like people said at the beginning of all this..which seemed to be it is ok, only 70's will get it as if the over 70's don't matter If the science and data suggests the risk is very low in the school environment, and advice is given based on that, I don't believe highlighting this analysis is the same thing as suggesting there is an implication that if people are of a certain age then maybe there shouldn't be a surprise if they die. I certainly haven't said that. If the data points to a particular set of people being most vulnerable then it is these people who should receive the most protection. Thats my view. To restrict and affect all of the school environment, because there is a very small percentage of people in that environment may have a very small chance of catching the virus, makes no sense " The point being regardless of risk social distancing is required in all other areas .. supermarkets, B&Q, construction sites etc and if employers are not doing that employees are being asked to report them. But education staff are not being given the same consideration not even being offered PPE.... we are not asking more more we are asking for equal. Regardless of transmission rates to whichever groups of adults or children all of the people in schools are at a great risk of infection than any other keyworker (apart from care and NHS workers with inadequate PPE) than any other sector. | |||
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" To restrict and affect all of the school environment, because there is a very small percentage of people in that environment may have a very small chance of catching the virus, makes no sense Which wasn't what I said at all
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"Oh it wasn’t aimed at you. Prior to Covid fab was full tariff experts.
She was the only one who had said it though.
Oh no she wasn’t."Admittedly I have only skimmed past the thread a second time but I still don't see any more people implying that he shouldn't have a view because he isn't a teacher, there was one other asking was he a teacher. Maybe quote the person you are talking about rather than just throw away a comment that isn't being backed up by you | |||
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" The point being regardless of risk social distancing is required in all other areas .. supermarkets, B&Q, construction sites etc and if employers are not doing that employees are being asked to report them. But education staff are not being given the same consideration not even being offered PPE.... we are not asking more more we are asking for equal. Regardless of transmission rates to whichever groups of adults or children all of the people in schools are at a great risk of infection than any other keyworker (apart from care and NHS workers with inadequate PPE) than any other sector. " have teachers or parents been provided specifics on what the practical plans in schools will actually be yet or is this based on assumption? | |||
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"A lot of negativity Let's see a few suggestions instead of complaining, how would you do it and make sure it works" Simple answer is it won’t work until there is significantly better track and trace. Social distancing isn’t possible in schools - nothing else is relevant. Staff experience all kinds of bodily fluids on a daily basis. being forced to socially distance I believe will have a worse affect on mental health. I believe a targeted approach identifying those children at risk at home should be identified by the social care sector and then those children provided with options as are key workers at the moment. Until extra room, staff and hygiene facilities are set up then in primary school a return isn’t possible without significant risk. | |||
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" The point being regardless of risk social distancing is required in all other areas .. supermarkets, B&Q, construction sites etc and if employers are not doing that employees are being asked to report them. But education staff are not being given the same consideration not even being offered PPE.... we are not asking more more we are asking for equal. Regardless of transmission rates to whichever groups of adults or children all of the people in schools are at a great risk of infection than any other keyworker (apart from care and NHS workers with inadequate PPE) than any other sector. have teachers or parents been provided specifics on what the practical plans in schools will actually be yet or is this based on assumption?" Personal experience and directive from my head teacher this morning | |||
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"It doesn't seem like the meeting today got the unions the answers they wanted so who knows what happens now" i assume teachers can refuse to work quoting inappropriate health and safety procedures in place and the government know this why is why i asked if it was based on direct information about the reopening or assumptions seems insane they would bother even wasting time with half measures that they know teachers are well within their rights to refuse | |||
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"Former Labour education secretary David She yesterday reported teachers’ unions were ‘working against the interests of children’. News that unions are still not convinced by the assurances given by CSA, CMA, SAGE etc. is not surprising. " TeaCher bashing by Blunkett - nothing new there. Daily fail is even worse | |||
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"It doesn't seem like the meeting today got the unions the answers they wanted so who knows what happens now i assume teachers can refuse to work quoting inappropriate health and safety procedures in place and the e government know this why is why i asked if it was based on direct information about the reopening or assumptions seems insane they would bother even wastingo time with half measures that they know teachers are well within their rights to refuse " I believe it is an intentional passing of the buck so they are seen to be Doing the right thing while abdicating themselves of responsibility...... blame the lazy teachers for not wanting to be heroes | |||
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"Schools are not going to open the government is wasting it time, the days of sitting down and sorting problems out left us years ago. Now society just asks whos going to tell us how to sort this out, not my problem, more than my jobs worth. God help us. " Dying is more than my 20k job is worth - I agree | |||
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"It doesn't seem like the meeting today got the unions the answers they wanted so who knows what happens now i assume teachers can refuse to work quoting inappropriate health and safety procedures in place and the e government know this why is why i asked if it was based on direct information about the reopening or assumptions seems insane they would bother even wastingo time with half measures that they know teachers are well within their rights to refuse I believe it is an intentional passing of the buck so they are seen to be Doing the right thing while abdicating themselves of responsibility...... blame the lazy teachers for not wanting to be heroes " i really need to work on the autocorrect on my phone  didnt realise how bad it was til i saw you quote me... new phone cover is driving me mad | |||
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"Schools are not going to open the government is wasting it time, the days of sitting down and sorting problems out left us years ago. Now society just asks whos going to tell us how to sort this out, not my problem, more than my jobs worth. God help us. Dying is more than my 20k job is worth - I agree " Your cleave people can't you sit down and try to work something out, can't keep kicking the can down the road. | |||
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"Radio 4 Today programme: “It’s about whether we can work together to do it or whether we can work against it. And I advise both teachers and their representatives, and my own frontbench, to work together to actually find a way of gradually, from 1 June, getting those children back into school." Given what the scientist know and the data available, does seem strange the unions appear to be working against all of this. " Point being is that the people that are in the know actually in schools do not believe this can be done safely on the 1st June..... unions are offering and welcoming dialogue to support a return but only when it is safe and we cannot put a date on that. NEU have sent 5 requests to the government to collaborate and they have been ignored this directive has been sent out with no input from the sector itself. | |||
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"Schools are not going to open the government is wasting it time, the days of sitting down and sorting problems out left us years ago. Now society just asks whos going to tell us how to sort this out, not my problem, more than my jobs worth. God help us. Dying is more than my 20k job is worth - I agree Your cleave people can't you sit down and try to work something out, can't keep kicking the can down the road. " Cleave? If you mean can then see my post above | |||
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"Radio 4 Today programme: “It’s about whether we can work together to do it or whether we can work against it. And I advise both teachers and their representatives, and my own frontbench, to work together to actually find a way of gradually, from 1 June, getting those children back into school." Given what the scientist know and the data available, does seem strange the unions appear to be working against all of this. Point being is that the people that are in the know actually in schools do not believe this can be done safely on the 1st June..... unions are offering and welcoming dialogue to support a return but only when it is safe and we cannot put a date on that. NEU have sent 5 requests to the government to collaborate and they have been ignored this directive has been sent out with no input from the sector itself. " Point is the scientific evidence, analysis and data has just been presented by the people who are at the very heart of this situation, and you are suggesting that the unions know better because they know more about what happens inside a classroom. | |||
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"Radio 4 Today programme: “It’s about whether we can work together to do it or whether we can work against it. And I advise both teachers and their representatives, and my own frontbench, to work together to actually find a way of gradually, from 1 June, getting those children back into school." Given what the scientist know and the data available, does seem strange the unions appear to be working against all of this. Point being is that the people that are in the know actually in schools do not believe this can be done safely on the 1st June..... unions are offering and welcoming dialogue to support a return but only when it is safe and we cannot put a date on that. NEU have sent 5 requests to the government to collaborate and they have been ignored this directive has been sent out with no input from the sector itself. " there was never any intention of everyone being back on 1st june though, is it not 2 years worth of primary school pupils? first and last? similarly 2 years in secondary schools so that solves the immediate issue of staff numbers/ space required to social distance surely? and then there is another 4 months to brainstorm for after summer | |||
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"Former Labour education secretary David She yesterday reported teachers’ unions were ‘working against the interests of children’. News that unions are still not convinced by the assurances given by CSA, CMA, SAGE etc. is not surprising. TeaCher bashing by Blunkett - nothing new there. Daily fail is even worse " He may aswell be a Tory. | |||
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"Former Labour education secretary David Blunkett yesterday reported teachers’ unions were ‘working against the interests of children’. News that the unions are still not convinced by the assurances given by CSA, CMA, SAGE etc. is not surprising. " The same unions who have contacted the gmnt 5 times without response presumably? | |||
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