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"This was always going to come in waves. The best anyone can do is to control the spread, it can't be 100% stopped. Life is going to be different for all of us. The best we can do is fine a way through it and avoid too many personal liberties being removed in the cause of keeping us safe."  | |||
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"Sadly there are far too many folk who lack empathy in any meaningful sense. That sense of invulnerability and and inability to relate to anything or anyone outside of your own very small sphere used to be left behind after adolescence, now it seems to last a lifetime. It’s like the people who tell those with depression to cheer up and get on with it, or to get some exercise because will sort it. Because they have no meaningful experience of their own to relate to they simply assume that people are lazy or won’t help themselves. The world has become a less kind place over the last few decades and I doubt there’s a way back, sadly." Being selfish is a human characteristic but we live in a system which actively encourages it. | |||
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"I'm sure there are medical experts on all sides of the conversation. A media outlet with a particular bias towards a particular political party will always manage to find an "expert" to agree with them, or take a comment or statement out of context to emphasise a point." | |||
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"I know elderly people that will stay in lockdown because that is the best thing for them, I also know a dv family that want to go back to work and go out because that's the best thing for them, people are dying on both sides of lockdown, why should we get to choose whether an elderly person dies or a dv child does. It's a virus and we need to individually learn how to live with it, be responsible for yourself and stay in lockdown if you need to it's a choice we all need to make" | |||
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"Sadly there are far too many folk who lack empathy in any meaningful sense. That sense of invulnerability and and inability to relate to anything or anyone outside of your own very small sphere used to be left behind after adolescence, now it seems to last a lifetime. It’s like the people who tell those with depression to cheer up and get on with it, or to get some exercise because will sort it. Because they have no meaningful experience of their own to relate to they simply assume that people are lazy or won’t help themselves. The world has become a less kind place over the last few decades and I doubt there’s a way back, sadly." Last few decades? Workhouses were set up by the rich in counties as it worked out cheaper than each parish looking after its poor. The poor were considered that way because they were idle, so they had to work in these desolate places. Children were taught in these places and teachers would come and go cos they lived inside with the poor and it would break their hearts. The elderly and infirm would be kept apart from the rest and often shared a double bed that was the width of a single. A single was the width of a hospital trolley. My point is that the rich have looked down on the poor for centuries. Let's not forget that poverty now is not like it used to be. | |||
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"Sadly there are far too many folk who lack empathy in any meaningful sense. That sense of invulnerability and and inability to relate to anything or anyone outside of your own very small sphere used to be left behind after adolescence, now it seems to last a lifetime. It’s like the people who tell those with depression to cheer up and get on with it, or to get some exercise because will sort it. Because they have no meaningful experience of their own to relate to they simply assume that people are lazy or won’t help themselves. The world has become a less kind place over the last few decades and I doubt there’s a way back, sadly. Last few decades? Workhouses were set up by the rich in counties as it worked out cheaper than each parish looking after its poor. The poor were considered that way because they were idle, so they had to work in these desolate places. Children were taught in these places and teachers would come and go cos they lived inside with the poor and it would break their hearts. The elderly and infirm would be kept apart from the rest and often shared a double bed that was the width of a single. A single was the width of a hospital trolley. My point is that the rich have looked down on the poor for centuries. Let's not forget that poverty now is not like it used to be. " I think it's meant more as a society in general It's easy to look in the past with golden glasses..look how often people go on about the blitz spirit,convienently forgetting the spivs,rackateers etc.However I do think since the 80s we have become more atomised as a society.There is no such thing as society,greed is good,selisishness is encouraged and austerity savaged the last remnants of society (youth clubs,libraries,sure starts centres etc) So I find it hugely ironic when we are faced with a genuine major threat the gmnt encourages to all work together. That boat has well sailed. | |||
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"Sadly there are far too many folk who lack empathy in any meaningful sense. That sense of invulnerability and and inability to relate to anything or anyone outside of your own very small sphere used to be left behind after adolescence, now it seems to last a lifetime. It’s like the people who tell those with depression to cheer up and get on with it, or to get some exercise because will sort it. Because they have no meaningful experience of their own to relate to they simply assume that people are lazy or won’t help themselves. The world has become a less kind place over the last few decades and I doubt there’s a way back, sadly. Last few decades? Workhouses were set up by the rich in counties as it worked out cheaper than each parish looking after its poor. The poor were considered that way because they were idle, so they had to work in these desolate places. Children were taught in these places and teachers would come and go cos they lived inside with the poor and it would break their hearts. The elderly and infirm would be kept apart from the rest and often shared a double bed that was the width of a single. A single was the width of a hospital trolley. My point is that the rich have looked down on the poor for centuries. Let's not forget that poverty now is not like it used to be. I think it's meant more as a society in general It's easy to look in the past with golden glasses..look how often people go on about the blitz spirit,convienently forgetting the spivs,rackateers etc.However I do think since the 80s we have become more atomised as a society.There is no such thing as society,greed is good,selisishness is encouraged and austerity savaged the last remnants of society (youth clubs,libraries,sure starts centres etc) So I find it hugely ironic when we are faced with a genuine major threat the gmnt encourages to all work together. That boat has well sailed." The main point was how the rich viewed the poor - it's not a new idea that poor = lazy, or how to save money on helping the poor. | |||
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"Sadly there are far too many folk who lack empathy in any meaningful sense. That sense of invulnerability and and inability to relate to anything or anyone outside of your own very small sphere used to be left behind after adolescence, now it seems to last a lifetime. It’s like the people who tell those with depression to cheer up and get on with it, or to get some exercise because will sort it. Because they have no meaningful experience of their own to relate to they simply assume that people are lazy or won’t help themselves. The world has become a less kind place over the last few decades and I doubt there’s a way back, sadly. Last few decades? Workhouses were set up by the rich in counties as it worked out cheaper than each parish looking after its poor. The poor were considered that way because they were idle, so they had to work in these desolate places. Children were taught in these places and teachers would come and go cos they lived inside with the poor and it would break their hearts. The elderly and infirm would be kept apart from the rest and often shared a double bed that was the width of a single. A single was the width of a hospital trolley. My point is that the rich have looked down on the poor for centuries. Let's not forget that poverty now is not like it used to be. I think it's meant more as a society in general It's easy to look in the past with golden glasses..look how often people go on about the blitz spirit,convienently forgetting the spivs,rackateers etc.However I do think since the 80s we have become more atomised as a society.There is no such thing as society,greed is good,selisishness is encouraged and austerity savaged the last remnants of society (youth clubs,libraries,sure starts centres etc) So I find it hugely ironic when we are faced with a genuine major threat the gmnt encourages to all work together. That boat has well sailed. The main point was how the rich viewed the poor - it's not a new idea that poor = lazy, or how to save money on helping the poor. " I dont think its just the rich who look down at the poor. Look how the poor have been demonized recently..begging,scroungers etc.. | |||
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"Sadly there are far too many folk who lack empathy in any meaningful sense. That sense of invulnerability and and inability to relate to anything or anyone outside of your own very small sphere used to be left behind after adolescence, now it seems to last a lifetime. It’s like the people who tell those with depression to cheer up and get on with it, or to get some exercise because will sort it. Because they have no meaningful experience of their own to relate to they simply assume that people are lazy or won’t help themselves. The world has become a less kind place over the last few decades and I doubt there’s a way back, sadly. Last few decades? Workhouses were set up by the rich in counties as it worked out cheaper than each parish looking after its poor. The poor were considered that way because they were idle, so they had to work in these desolate places. Children were taught in these places and teachers would come and go cos they lived inside with the poor and it would break their hearts. The elderly and infirm would be kept apart from the rest and often shared a double bed that was the width of a single. A single was the width of a hospital trolley. My point is that the rich have looked down on the poor for centuries. Let's not forget that poverty now is not like it used to be. I think it's meant more as a society in general It's easy to look in the past with golden glasses..look how often people go on about the blitz spirit,convienently forgetting the spivs,rackateers etc.However I do think since the 80s we have become more atomised as a society.There is no such thing as society,greed is good,selisishness is encouraged and austerity savaged the last remnants of society (youth clubs,libraries,sure starts centres etc) So I find it hugely ironic when we are faced with a genuine major threat the gmnt encourages to all work together. That boat has well sailed. The main point was how the rich viewed the poor - it's not a new idea that poor = lazy, or how to save money on helping the poor. I dont think its just the rich who look down at the poor. Look how the poor have been demonized recently..begging,scroungers etc.." The difference is that "we all pay" for the poor now, when it would fall to the rich in bygone days. I wonder who initiates the demonising of the poor (those who pay higher taxes, the richer among us)? | |||
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"Sadly there are far too many folk who lack empathy in any meaningful sense. That sense of invulnerability and and inability to relate to anything or anyone outside of your own very small sphere used to be left behind after adolescence, now it seems to last a lifetime. It’s like the people who tell those with depression to cheer up and get on with it, or to get some exercise because will sort it. Because they have no meaningful experience of their own to relate to they simply assume that people are lazy or won’t help themselves. The world has become a less kind place over the last few decades and I doubt there’s a way back, sadly. Last few decades? Workhouses were set up by the rich in counties as it worked out cheaper than each parish looking after its poor. The poor were considered that way because they were idle, so they had to work in these desolate places. Children were taught in these places and teachers would come and go cos they lived inside with the poor and it would break their hearts. The elderly and infirm would be kept apart from the rest and often shared a double bed that was the width of a single. A single was the width of a hospital trolley. My point is that the rich have looked down on the poor for centuries. Let's not forget that poverty now is not like it used to be. " I wasn't thinking so much of the rich, they have always been selfish,often sociopathic cunts, I meant among those of us for whom greed and lust for money and power hadn't overtaken everything else in our lives. People who use the excuse that some people begging on the streets aren't homeless as an excuse not to give money to any homeless people have become more and more prevalent. The people who are more concerned that the single mum down the road might be getting an extra few quid in her benefits but don't bat an eyelid that some rich prick is avoiding paying millions a year because they've squirreled their cash in some offshore tax haven. From what I recall people used to look after the people in their communities, there was a spirit of generousity that didn't end with people you aren't directly related to. Maybe I just have rose tinted spectacles on but these days more people just seem to be out for themselves and fuck everyone else. | |||
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"Being selfish is a human characteristic but we live in a system which actively encourages it." Well you say that but it actually works against our nature. Being able to cooperate and work together was what allowed us to outlive far physically superior 'relatives' back at the dawn of humanity. We're hardwired to be a cooperative species, we produce hormones that make us feel good when we do something nice for other people, in fact even just witnessing a kind act makes us feel good. Selfishness runs contrary to what is in our best interests but we've been manipulated into thinking it's a good thing. I genuinely think the increase in mental illnesses such as depression is down to our lack of kindness for others and togetherness. | |||
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"Sadly there are far too many folk who lack empathy in any meaningful sense. That sense of invulnerability and and inability to relate to anything or anyone outside of your own very small sphere used to be left behind after adolescence, now it seems to last a lifetime. It’s like the people who tell those with depression to cheer up and get on with it, or to get some exercise because will sort it. Because they have no meaningful experience of their own to relate to they simply assume that people are lazy or won’t help themselves. The world has become a less kind place over the last few decades and I doubt there’s a way back, sadly. Last few decades? Workhouses were set up by the rich in counties as it worked out cheaper than each parish looking after its poor. The poor were considered that way because they were idle, so they had to work in these desolate places. Children were taught in these places and teachers would come and go cos they lived inside with the poor and it would break their hearts. The elderly and infirm would be kept apart from the rest and often shared a double bed that was the width of a single. A single was the width of a hospital trolley. My point is that the rich have looked down on the poor for centuries. Let's not forget that poverty now is not like it used to be. I think it's meant more as a society in general It's easy to look in the past with golden glasses..look how often people go on about the blitz spirit,convienently forgetting the spivs,rackateers etc.However I do think since the 80s we have become more atomised as a society.There is no such thing as society,greed is good,selisishness is encouraged and austerity savaged the last remnants of society (youth clubs,libraries,sure starts centres etc) So I find it hugely ironic when we are faced with a genuine major threat the gmnt encourages to all work together. That boat has well sailed. The main point was how the rich viewed the poor - it's not a new idea that poor = lazy, or how to save money on helping the poor. I dont think its just the rich who look down at the poor. Look how the poor have been demonized recently..begging,scroungers etc.. The difference is that "we all pay" for the poor now, when it would fall to the rich in bygone days. I wonder who initiates the demonising of the poor (those who pay higher taxes, the richer among us)? " In times of crises the powers that be will always look for a convenient scapegoat.Its always easier to stigmatise the powerless in society.Thus during austerity 'scroungers'where the folk devil's whilst millionaires paid buttons in tax.People fall for it because it's easier than looking at the root cause. It's a simple tactic but it always works a treat. | |||
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"Sadly there are far too many folk who lack empathy in any meaningful sense. That sense of invulnerability and and inability to relate to anything or anyone outside of your own very small sphere used to be left behind after adolescence, now it seems to last a lifetime. It’s like the people who tell those with depression to cheer up and get on with it, or to get some exercise because will sort it. Because they have no meaningful experience of their own to relate to they simply assume that people are lazy or won’t help themselves. The world has become a less kind place over the last few decades and I doubt there’s a way back, sadly. Last few decades? Workhouses were set up by the rich in counties as it worked out cheaper than each parish looking after its poor. The poor were considered that way because they were idle, so they had to work in these desolate places. Children were taught in these places and teachers would come and go cos they lived inside with the poor and it would break their hearts. The elderly and infirm would be kept apart from the rest and often shared a double bed that was the width of a single. A single was the width of a hospital trolley. My point is that the rich have looked down on the poor for centuries. Let's not forget that poverty now is not like it used to be. I wasn't thinking so much of the rich, they have always been selfish,often sociopathic cunts, I meant among those of us for whom greed and lust for money and power hadn't overtaken everything else in our lives. People who use the excuse that some people begging on the streets aren't homeless as an excuse not to give money to any homeless people have become more and more prevalent. The people who are more concerned that the single mum down the road might be getting an extra few quid in her benefits but don't bat an eyelid that some rich prick is avoiding paying millions a year because they've squirreled their cash in some offshore tax haven. From what I recall people used to look after the people in their communities, there was a spirit of generousity that didn't end with people you aren't directly related to. Maybe I just have rose tinted spectacles on but these days more people just seem to be out for themselves and fuck everyone else." these days? its been like that for as long as i can remember | |||
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"Being selfish is a human characteristic but we live in a system which actively encourages it. Well you say that but it actually works against our nature. Being able to cooperate and work together was what allowed us to outlive far physically superior 'relatives' back at the dawn of humanity. We're hardwired to be a cooperative species, we produce hormones that make us feel good when we do something nice for other people, in fact even just witnessing a kind act makes us feel good. Selfishness runs contrary to what is in our best interests but we've been manipulated into thinking it's a good thing. I genuinely think the increase in mental illnesses such as depression is down to our lack of kindness for others and togetherness. " It's not one of our best traits but we live in a system that actually encourages selfishness and greed (the whole advertising industry is based on it) | |||
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"Sadly there are far too many folk who lack empathy in any meaningful sense. That sense of invulnerability and and inability to relate to anything or anyone outside of your own very small sphere used to be left behind after adolescence, now it seems to last a lifetime. It’s like the people who tell those with depression to cheer up and get on with it, or to get some exercise because will sort it. Because they have no meaningful experience of their own to relate to they simply assume that people are lazy or won’t help themselves. The world has become a less kind place over the last few decades and I doubt there’s a way back, sadly. Last few decades? Workhouses were set up by the rich in counties as it worked out cheaper than each parish looking after its poor. The poor were considered that way because they were idle, so they had to work in these desolate places. Children were taught in these places and teachers would come and go cos they lived inside with the poor and it would break their hearts. The elderly and infirm would be kept apart from the rest and often shared a double bed that was the width of a single. A single was the width of a hospital trolley. My point is that the rich have looked down on the poor for centuries. Let's not forget that poverty now is not like it used to be. I wasn't thinking so much of the rich, they have always been selfish,often sociopathic cunts, I meant among those of us for whom greed and lust for money and power hadn't overtaken everything else in our lives. People who use the excuse that some people begging on the streets aren't homeless as an excuse not to give money to any homeless people have become more and more prevalent. The people who are more concerned that the single mum down the road might be getting an extra few quid in her benefits but don't bat an eyelid that some rich prick is avoiding paying millions a year because they've squirreled their cash in some offshore tax haven. From what I recall people used to look after the people in their communities, there was a spirit of generousity that didn't end with people you aren't directly related to. Maybe I just have rose tinted spectacles on but these days more people just seem to be out for themselves and fuck everyone else. these days? its been like that for as long as i can remember" To a degree. Not so much as now. | |||
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"Sadly there are far too many folk who lack empathy in any meaningful sense. That sense of invulnerability and and inability to relate to anything or anyone outside of your own very small sphere used to be left behind after adolescence, now it seems to last a lifetime. It’s like the people who tell those with depression to cheer up and get on with it, or to get some exercise because will sort it. Because they have no meaningful experience of their own to relate to they simply assume that people are lazy or won’t help themselves. The world has become a less kind place over the last few decades and I doubt there’s a way back, sadly. Last few decades? Workhouses were set up by the rich in counties as it worked out cheaper than each parish looking after its poor. The poor were considered that way because they were idle, so they had to work in these desolate places. Children were taught in these places and teachers would come and go cos they lived inside with the poor and it would break their hearts. The elderly and infirm would be kept apart from the rest and often shared a double bed that was the width of a single. A single was the width of a hospital trolley. My point is that the rich have looked down on the poor for centuries. Let's not forget that poverty now is not like it used to be. I wasn't thinking so much of the rich, they have always been selfish,often sociopathic cunts, I meant among those of us for whom greed and lust for money and power hadn't overtaken everything else in our lives. People who use the excuse that some people begging on the streets aren't homeless as an excuse not to give money to any homeless people have become more and more prevalent. The people who are more concerned that the single mum down the road might be getting an extra few quid in her benefits but don't bat an eyelid that some rich prick is avoiding paying millions a year because they've squirreled their cash in some offshore tax haven. From what I recall people used to look after the people in their communities, there was a spirit of generousity that didn't end with people you aren't directly related to. Maybe I just have rose tinted spectacles on but these days more people just seem to be out for themselves and fuck everyone else." For many, that generosity doesn't even exist within families. Each generation becomes more isolated. If we cannot help our own then who can we help. | |||
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"Sadly there are far too many folk who lack empathy in any meaningful sense. That sense of invulnerability and and inability to relate to anything or anyone outside of your own very small sphere used to be left behind after adolescence, now it seems to last a lifetime. It’s like the people who tell those with depression to cheer up and get on with it, or to get some exercise because will sort it. Because they have no meaningful experience of their own to relate to they simply assume that people are lazy or won’t help themselves. The world has become a less kind place over the last few decades and I doubt there’s a way back, sadly. Last few decades? Workhouses were set up by the rich in counties as it worked out cheaper than each parish looking after its poor. The poor were considered that way because they were idle, so they had to work in these desolate places. Children were taught in these places and teachers would come and go cos they lived inside with the poor and it would break their hearts. The elderly and infirm would be kept apart from the rest and often shared a double bed that was the width of a single. A single was the width of a hospital trolley. My point is that the rich have looked down on the poor for centuries. Let's not forget that poverty now is not like it used to be. I think it's meant more as a society in general It's easy to look in the past with golden glasses..look how often people go on about the blitz spirit,convienently forgetting the spivs,rackateers etc.However I do think since the 80s we have become more atomised as a society.There is no such thing as society,greed is good,selisishness is encouraged and austerity savaged the last remnants of society (youth clubs,libraries,sure starts centres etc) So I find it hugely ironic when we are faced with a genuine major threat the gmnt encourages to all work together. That boat has well sailed. The main point was how the rich viewed the poor - it's not a new idea that poor = lazy, or how to save money on helping the poor. I dont think its just the rich who look down at the poor. Look how the poor have been demonized recently..begging,scroungers etc.. The difference is that "we all pay" for the poor now, when it would fall to the rich in bygone days. I wonder who initiates the demonising of the poor (those who pay higher taxes, the richer among us)? In times of crises the powers that be will always look for a convenient scapegoat.Its always easier to stigmatise the powerless in society.Thus during austerity 'scroungers'where the folk devil's whilst millionaires paid buttons in tax.People fall for it because it's easier than looking at the root cause. It's a simple tactic but it always works a treat." The are a tangible group of people we all know or know of, whereas those at the top of the wealth tree are not. | |||
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"Sadly there are far too many folk who lack empathy in any meaningful sense. That sense of invulnerability and and inability to relate to anything or anyone outside of your own very small sphere used to be left behind after adolescence, now it seems to last a lifetime. It’s like the people who tell those with depression to cheer up and get on with it, or to get some exercise because will sort it. Because they have no meaningful experience of their own to relate to they simply assume that people are lazy or won’t help themselves. The world has become a less kind place over the last few decades and I doubt there’s a way back, sadly. Last few decades? Workhouses were set up by the rich in counties as it worked out cheaper than each parish looking after its poor. The poor were considered that way because they were idle, so they had to work in these desolate places. Children were taught in these places and teachers would come and go cos they lived inside with the poor and it would break their hearts. The elderly and infirm would be kept apart from the rest and often shared a double bed that was the width of a single. A single was the width of a hospital trolley. My point is that the rich have looked down on the poor for centuries. Let's not forget that poverty now is not like it used to be. I think it's meant more as a society in general It's easy to look in the past with golden glasses..look how often people go on about the blitz spirit,convienently forgetting the spivs,rackateers etc.However I do think since the 80s we have become more atomised as a society.There is no such thing as society,greed is good,selisishness is encouraged and austerity savaged the last remnants of society (youth clubs,libraries,sure starts centres etc) So I find it hugely ironic when we are faced with a genuine major threat the gmnt encourages to all work together. That boat has well sailed. The main point was how the rich viewed the poor - it's not a new idea that poor = lazy, or how to save money on helping the poor. I dont think its just the rich who look down at the poor. Look how the poor have been demonized recently..begging,scroungers etc.. The difference is that "we all pay" for the poor now, when it would fall to the rich in bygone days. I wonder who initiates the demonising of the poor (those who pay higher taxes, the richer among us)? In times of crises the powers that be will always look for a convenient scapegoat.Its always easier to stigmatise the powerless in society.Thus during austerity 'scroungers'where the folk devil's whilst millionaires paid buttons in tax.People fall for it because it's easier than looking at the root cause. It's a simple tactic but it always works a treat. The are a tangible group of people we all know or know of, whereas those at the top of the wealth tree are not. " They (ie poor/scroungers/vulnerable). | |||
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"Being selfish is a human characteristic but we live in a system which actively encourages it. Well you say that but it actually works against our nature. Being able to cooperate and work together was what allowed us to outlive far physically superior 'relatives' back at the dawn of humanity. We're hardwired to be a cooperative species, we produce hormones that make us feel good when we do something nice for other people, in fact even just witnessing a kind act makes us feel good. Selfishness runs contrary to what is in our best interests but we've been manipulated into thinking it's a good thing. I genuinely think the increase in mental illnesses such as depression is down to our lack of kindness for others and togetherness. It's not one of our best traits but we live in a system that actually encourages selfishness and greed (the whole advertising industry is based on it)" Materialism. It's down to a person's character whether that results in greed and selfishness. | |||
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"Being selfish is a human characteristic but we live in a system which actively encourages it. Well you say that but it actually works against our nature. Being able to cooperate and work together was what allowed us to outlive far physically superior 'relatives' back at the dawn of humanity. We're hardwired to be a cooperative species, we produce hormones that make us feel good when we do something nice for other people, in fact even just witnessing a kind act makes us feel good. Selfishness runs contrary to what is in our best interests but we've been manipulated into thinking it's a good thing. I genuinely think the increase in mental illnesses such as depression is down to our lack of kindness for others and togetherness. It's not one of our best traits but we live in a system that actually encourages selfishness and greed (the whole advertising industry is based on it) Materialism. It's down to a person's character whether that results in greed and selfishness. " Agreed.Everyone has it in them (me included)but when you live in a culture that actually encourages dog eat dog behaviour and you combine that with 24hr advertising it doesnt provide a healthy environment. Even popular culture encourages people to act like utter #####..look at the apprentice etc. | |||
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"This was always going to come in waves. The best anyone can do is to control the spread, it can't be 100% stopped. Life is going to be different for all of us. The best we can do is fine a way through it and avoid too many personal liberties being removed in the cause of keeping us safe." | |||
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"I always thought SAGE were medical experts. Now I come on to a swingers forum and find they are not. They are experts, but they're not independent." Ah so they are experts who are being told what to say. Gotcha | |||
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"Experts ...would not listen to a thing they say .. The real experts are on fab ....you know who you are ...always right....never wrong" As Michael Gove said in the Brexit campaign is Britons “Have had enough of experts”. Their new advice shows as it certainly is not following the science. Starmer is right about the Government being too slow in lockdown and now being too fast in relaxing it. | |||
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