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"In the current situation so many people are not going to be able to work, either because their industry is shut down, or their company has had to close or enforce limitations. It looks to me like we are going to be faced with massive unemployment and people deeply suffering. Even if the government tried to continue both the job retention scheme and self employment grant, it can't be financially even a medium term plan. It just still looks like it's going to be a very tough ride ahead. I'm worried about the recession that must be on its way and all the situations that with bring. Many of us (including myself) may have to have a complete career change which can be difficult when employment is more scarce and you are 50. "This is the male here and i have exactly worries as you. The chancellor admitted today that we are already in a recession. Which scares me more than the virus. With me being 51 its going to be hard to retrain if I lose my job. | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change! "Even in jest that is a despicable comment to pass about anyone! | |||
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"In the current situation so many people are not going to be able to work, either because their industry is shut down, or their company has had to close or enforce limitations. It looks to me like we are going to be faced with massive unemployment and people deeply suffering. Even if the government tried to continue both the job retention scheme and self employment grant, it can't be financially even a medium term plan. It just still looks like it's going to be a very tough ride ahead. I'm worried about the recession that must be on its way and all the situations that with bring. Many of us (including myself) may have to have a complete career change which can be difficult when employment is more scarce and you are 50. "I think a lot of small self employed businesses will pop up, home delivery will be huge as many of us will online shop, I feel sorry for the high street shops as people change their browsing habits they will not receive the footfall they need unless they can move online | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change! "I dunno if you are trying to be funny or if this is your genuine belief? Either way it's a insensitive and idiotic thing to say. | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change! "What an awful comment, presuming you're actually someone's son,! And you have parents, then what would you have done with the elderly or the unfit? Some Logan's run dystopian solution? Put all of certain demographics to death cause their a burden, wait till it's your turn, which could be earlier than you choose through no fault of yours, here's betting you'd change you opinion rather quickly when it's pertinent to you ... stinky comment which you need to retract to say the least!  | |||
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"And I'm pretty sure that the 270 health and care workers who have died their families will be angered to read such moronic statements." | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change! "Troll post  | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change! "Pretty vile thing to say.. Shame on you.. | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change! "The over 75s paid for their retirement by working and paying tax and insurance for 50 odd years | |||
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"I was planning to change my career starting this year.. I am still doing so but now looking at nursing... or slightly changing direction with my current area. It is certainly going to be hard for people though x " Maybe there will be new ways to work popping up, with new opportunities for those looking for employment, I hope so. | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change! "Don't you think the over 75s haven't made payment them self over their working life? | |||
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"On the financial side Expect austerity and tax rises to the Conservative triple lock Everything g is about to get more expenses either through taxation or taxation and rising production costs. Not to mention another round of government sector pay freezes. Thats the Conservative way. I don't do see them doing anything politically different to 2010 There won't be a sea change moment until another party poses a credible moderate plan with a sound economic plan... Like a other "new Labour" " Please feel free to suggest an alternative plan | |||
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"On the financial side Expect austerity and tax rises to the Conservative triple lock Everything g is about to get more expenses either through taxation or taxation and rising production costs. Not to mention another round of government sector pay freezes. Thats the Conservative way. I don't do see them doing anything politically different to 2010 There won't be a sea change moment until another party poses a credible moderate plan with a sound economic plan... Like a other "new Labour" " Thank you for stopping the country fall apart at the seams..here is a 2 year pay freeze. | |||
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"I was planning to change my career starting this year.. I am still doing so but now looking at nursing... or slightly changing direction with my current area. It is certainly going to be hard for people though x Maybe there will be new ways to work popping up, with new opportunities for those looking for employment, I hope so." Yes. Bottom line is that we're animals We have to adapt to survive It'll take time though | |||
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"... Many of us (including myself) may have to have a complete career change which can be difficult when employment is more scarce and you are 50. "My experience is that you are desirable in the market as an over fifty, better range of skills and knowledge than younger workers, but money talks so you end up working for lower money than before. But in the next few years being employed at all may be the hard part. | |||
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"On the financial side Expect austerity and tax rises to the Conservative triple lock Everything g is about to get more expenses either through taxation or taxation and rising production costs. Not to mention another round of government sector pay freezes. Thats the Conservative way. I don't do see them doing anything politically different to 2010 There won't be a sea change moment until another party poses a credible moderate plan with a sound economic plan... Like a other "new Labour" Please feel free to suggest an alternative plan " Not be facetious but yeah sure... Give me 100k+ a year control of one other the largest economies in Europe and the political power to move a party and I could write alot of new policies. Mostly around creating a boarder industrious economy that embraces trade with other nations. Not tires to close its boarder to what is already an island nation. Being an mp is now a career, most front benchers like sunak have had world class education, positions of power inside the biggest financial institutions in his case goldmans and developing his own hedge fund. He is married to the daughter on an Indian billionaire. Thats not to take anything away from him...but copying and paste the last 10 years of economic Conservative policy of screw the poor and focus on wealth creation is hardly new. Reaganomics has been a shit show in every country that has implemented it. Sunak is being banded around as the next mp  is that all it takes these days. A few coherent speaches and couple of pressed suits?
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"In the current situation so many people are not going to be able to work, either because their industry is shut down, or their company has had to close or enforce limitations. It looks to me like we are going to be faced with massive unemployment and people deeply suffering. Even if the government tried to continue both the job retention scheme and self employment grant, it can't be financially even a medium term plan. It just still looks like it's going to be a very tough ride ahead. I'm worried about the recession that must be on its way and all the situations that with bring. Many of us (including myself) may have to have a complete career change which can be difficult when employment is more scarce and you are 50. "Anyone considering a career change - this crisis has proved there'll always be jobs in the health and social care sectors. The tories realise their mistake regarding removal of the nursing bursary - so if you want a new profession, go for a degree based one. | |||
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"More companies will find out people working from home is a good idea and big office blocks will empty. Which ever government gets into power will have to claw the money back somehow, dont think a different colour party in number 10 will make any difference, taxes will rise. Unemployment will rise, but we have been in a good place employment wise for a long time, it had to end soon. Only guaranteed thing is change." Unemployment numbers have been fudged for a long time. Lots of people where working part time or often 2 jobs. Same with labour when thet dropped employmenr numbers by moving long term unemployed on to ESA "the sick" benefits Most people have not recovered from 2008 prior to the virus standards of living where still down from 08. 08 will look like a storm in tea cup next to this | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change! "We are fortunate that the mortality rate is so low. | |||
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"More companies will find out people working from home is a good idea and big office blocks will empty. Which ever government gets into power will have to claw the money back somehow, dont think a different colour party in number 10 will make any difference, taxes will rise. Unemployment will rise, but we have been in a good place employment wise for a long time, it had to end soon. Only guaranteed thing is change. Unemployment numbers have been fudged for a long time. Lots of people where working part time or often 2 jobs. Same with labour when thet dropped employmenr numbers by moving long term unemployed on to ESA "the sick" benefits Most people have not recovered from 2008 prior to the virus standards of living where still down from 08. 08 will look like a storm in tea cup next to this" This I have had to work away from home on weekdays since 2008 just to try and get somewhere near what I was making locally before the crash. When I see job unemployment numbers are down I think aye how many of those people are working 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meat. My wage droped dramatically in 2008 and has more or less stagnated since. | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change! "What a disgrace to the human race you are I bet you would change your mind if one of your close family unfortunately Caught the virus and passed away | |||
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"On the financial side Expect austerity and tax rises to the Conservative triple lock Everything g is about to get more expenses either through taxation or taxation and rising production costs. Not to mention another round of government sector pay freezes. Thats the Conservative way. I don't do see them doing anything politically different to 2010 There won't be a sea change moment until another party poses a credible moderate plan with a sound economic plan... Like a other "new Labour" " When any question arises with regards to rewarding front line workers, it is brushed aside. The tories won't want to pay out a monetary reward. They won't renegotiate pay either, unless there is a public outcry. As for death in service benefit £60,000 - it seems generous, but it's a darn sight cheaper than being taken to court over PPE... | |||
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"In the current situation so many people are not going to be able to work, either because their industry is shut down, or their company has had to close or enforce limitations. It looks to me like we are going to be faced with massive unemployment and people deeply suffering. Even if the government tried to continue both the job retention scheme and self employment grant, it can't be financially even a medium term plan. It just still looks like it's going to be a very tough ride ahead. I'm worried about the recession that must be on its way and all the situations that with bring. Many of us (including myself) may have to have a complete career change which can be difficult when employment is more scarce and you are 50.
Anyone considering a career change - this crisis has proved there'll always be jobs in the health and social care sectors. The tories realise their mistake regarding removal of the nursing bursary - so if you want a new profession, go for a degree based one. "Sorry I wasn't clear - there are many support worker vacancies, so my point should have been to point out every level is required from support worker to degree based. | |||
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"On the financial side Expect austerity and tax rises to the Conservative triple lock Everything g is about to get more expenses either through taxation or taxation and rising production costs. Not to mention another round of government sector pay freezes. Thats the Conservative way. I don't do see them doing anything politically different to 2010 There won't be a sea change moment until another party poses a credible moderate plan with a sound economic plan... Like a other "new Labour" When any question arises with regards to rewarding front line workers, it is brushed aside. The tories won't want to pay out a monetary reward. They won't renegotiate pay either, unless there is a public outcry. As for death in service benefit £60,000 - it seems generous, but it's a darn sight cheaper than being taken to court over PPE... " Regarding death in service, I'm pretty sure with my last job it was 50k (private sector) and my understanding was it covered by insurance. Does anyone know what it was for NHS? I'm just wondering how generous this is and whether it's covered by insurance policies? | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change! "My son is 5 and born with asthma, he's one of the people you seem to deem the unhealthy ones you paying for..... Are you implying his life is not worth it? He's 5 years old, he's not intentionally "unhealthy" and Just so you know, the only unhealthy thing I did through his pregnancy was live in a polluted London.... You know the pollution that all these fit and healthy people contribute to.... Joke or not, it's very insensitive | |||
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"On the financial side Expect austerity and tax rises to the Conservative triple lock Everything g is about to get more expenses either through taxation or taxation and rising production costs. Not to mention another round of government sector pay freezes. Thats the Conservative way. I don't do see them doing anything politically different to 2010 There won't be a sea change moment until another party poses a credible moderate plan with a sound economic plan... Like a other "new Labour" When any question arises with regards to rewarding front line workers, it is brushed aside. The tories won't want to pay out a monetary reward. They won't renegotiate pay either, unless there is a public outcry. As for death in service benefit £60,000 - it seems generous, but it's a darn sight cheaper than being taken to court over PPE... Regarding death in service, I'm pretty sure with my last job it was 50k (private sector) and my understanding was it covered by insurance. Does anyone know what it was for NHS? I'm just wondering how generous this is and whether it's covered by insurance policies? " This is different to anything already in place. I think it's connected to pension and equates to a couple of years wages but I can't swear to it. | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change!
My son is 5 and born with asthma, he's one of the people you seem to deem the unhealthy ones you paying for..... Are you implying his life is not worth it? He's 5 years old, he's not intentionally "unhealthy" and Just so you know, the only unhealthy thing I did through his pregnancy was live in a polluted London.... You know the pollution that all these fit and healthy people contribute to.... Joke or not, it's very insensitive "Sorry but your profile says you are a smoker. Did you smoke while pregnant. Not having a go it's a legitimate question. | |||
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"As an essential worker I cant wait to be taxed an absolute fuck ton so a whole bunch of people could stay at home. While I appreciate something like the furlough scheme had to happen, I cant help but feel the people "keeping the economy going" are the ones that are going to get screwed the hardest here. "Ws have one on furlough and one working 12 hour shifts 6 days per week to make up the difference. Sweeping statement much? | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change!
My son is 5 and born with asthma, he's one of the people you seem to deem the unhealthy ones you paying for..... Are you implying his life is not worth it? He's 5 years old, he's not intentionally "unhealthy" and Just so you know, the only unhealthy thing I did through his pregnancy was live in a polluted London.... You know the pollution that all these fit and healthy people contribute to.... Joke or not, it's very insensitive "You must already take measures to keep him safe regardless of COVID? | |||
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"As an essential worker I cant wait to be taxed an absolute fuck ton so a whole bunch of people could stay at home. While I appreciate something like the furlough scheme had to happen, I cant help but feel the people "keeping the economy going" are the ones that are going to get screwed the hardest here.
Ws have one on furlough and one working 12 hour shifts 6 days per week to make up the difference.
Sweeping statement much?"Not in the slightest, I feel the one working 12 hour shifts should be getting tax breaks for "keeping the economy going" I'd quite happily be sat at home earning 80% of my pay but it shouldn't come at the cost of EVERYONE suffering through another recession when the vast majority of essential workers have seen workloads double or triple during this time. If you're getting funding through the scheme it's to help you out, not me, as I say I'd be more than happy to be sat at home on 80%. | |||
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"As an essential worker I cant wait to be taxed an absolute fuck ton so a whole bunch of people could stay at home. While I appreciate something like the furlough scheme had to happen, I cant help but feel the people "keeping the economy going" are the ones that are going to get screwed the hardest here. "Keep in perspective income tax is Likely to go up 1% hardly a fuck ton. That said when pay raises have been about 5-8% gross since 2008 And inflation in that time has been 10-15% Wallets are stretched and they about be stretched even further. The problem with the last 08 economic "recovery" was the distribution of wealth. The money stayed at the top or invested. It never filtered through to wages. And the economic plan this time will result in the same thing. Expect at least a 5-10% squeeze on your personal finances and thats if you keep your current job or its salary | |||
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"As an essential worker I cant wait to be taxed an absolute fuck ton so a whole bunch of people could stay at home. While I appreciate something like the furlough scheme had to happen, I cant help but feel the people "keeping the economy going" are the ones that are going to get screwed the hardest here.
Ws have one on furlough and one working 12 hour shifts 6 days per week to make up the difference.
Sweeping statement much?
Not in the slightest, I feel the one working 12 hour shifts should be getting tax breaks for "keeping the economy going"
I'd quite happily be sat at home earning 80% of my pay but it shouldn't come at the cost of EVERYONE suffering through another recession when the vast majority of essential workers have seen workloads double or triple during this time.
If you're getting funding through the scheme it's to help you out, not me, as I say I'd be more than happy to be sat at home on 80%."So what would you do to stop the recession we are in? Have people survive with very little money. So they are not spending anything and the circle just gets worse? | |||
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" My son is 5 and born with asthma, he's one of the people you seem to deem the unhealthy ones you paying for..... Are you implying his life is not worth it? He's 5 years old, he's not intentionally "unhealthy" and Just so you know, the only unhealthy thing I did through his pregnancy was live in a polluted London.... You know the pollution that all these fit and healthy people contribute to.... Joke or not, it's very insensitive " Well my dear smoking parent of an asthmatic child .
And all the others faked/ill-informed outrage, nothing I said is incorrect, 95% of deaths are in the unhealthy or elderly population.
We are paying a hell of a cost for trying to protect that minority from a virus that the WHO, suspect will be with us for ever now.
Obviously, this reality is quite difficult for much of the population to understand. | |||
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"As an essential worker I cant wait to be taxed an absolute fuck ton so a whole bunch of people could stay at home. While I appreciate something like the furlough scheme had to happen, I cant help but feel the people "keeping the economy going" are the ones that are going to get screwed the hardest here.
Keep in perspective income tax is Likely to go up 1% hardly a fuck ton.
That said when pay raises have been about 5-8% gross since 2008
And inflation in that time has been 10-15%
Wallets are stretched and they about be stretched even further.
The problem with the last 08 economic "recovery" was the distribution of wealth. The money stayed at the top or invested.
It never filtered through to wages.
And the economic plan this time will result in the same thing.
Expect at least a 5-10% squeeze on your personal finances and thats if you keep your current job or its salary
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"As an essential worker I cant wait to be taxed an absolute fuck ton so a whole bunch of people could stay at home. While I appreciate something like the furlough scheme had to happen, I cant help but feel the people "keeping the economy going" are the ones that are going to get screwed the hardest here.
Keep in perspective income tax is Likely to go up 1% hardly a fuck ton.
That said when pay raises have been about 5-8% gross since 2008
And inflation in that time has been 10-15%
Wallets are stretched and they about be stretched even further.
The problem with the last 08 economic "recovery" was the distribution of wealth. The money stayed at the top or invested.
It never filtered through to wages.
And the economic plan this time will result in the same thing.
Expect at least a 5-10% squeeze on your personal finances and thats if you keep your current job or its salary
How much are the lower paid health care workers (Inc nurses) owed then if the gross is that high and yet only received 1% or pay freezes since then. "Very good point. | |||
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"As an essential worker I cant wait to be taxed an absolute fuck ton so a whole bunch of people could stay at home. While I appreciate something like the furlough scheme had to happen, I cant help but feel the people "keeping the economy going" are the ones that are going to get screwed the hardest here.
Ws have one on furlough and one working 12 hour shifts 6 days per week to make up the difference.
Sweeping statement much?
Not in the slightest, I feel the one working 12 hour shifts should be getting tax breaks for "keeping the economy going"
I'd quite happily be sat at home earning 80% of my pay but it shouldn't come at the cost of EVERYONE suffering through another recession when the vast majority of essential workers have seen workloads double or triple during this time.
If you're getting funding through the scheme it's to help you out, not me, as I say I'd be more than happy to be sat at home on 80%.
So what would you do to stop the recession we are in?
Have people survive with very little money.
So they are not spending anything and the circle just gets worse?"I think the point im trying to make that you're missing is that the furlough scheme while essential should be paid back by the people currently benefitting from the furlough scheme not the people who are working their asses off currently to keep everything going. I dont want claps on a Thursday, I want to know I'm not getting screwed hard financially after all this is done for having to work my ass off in dangerous conditions for zero extra benefits. | |||
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"As an essential worker I cant wait to be taxed an absolute fuck ton so a whole bunch of people could stay at home. While I appreciate something like the furlough scheme had to happen, I cant help but feel the people "keeping the economy going" are the ones that are going to get screwed the hardest here.
Keep in perspective income tax is Likely to go up 1% hardly a fuck ton.
That said when pay raises have been about 5-8% gross since 2008
And inflation in that time has been 10-15%
Wallets are stretched and they about be stretched even further.
The problem with the last 08 economic "recovery" was the distribution of wealth. The money stayed at the top or invested.
It never filtered through to wages.
And the economic plan this time will result in the same thing.
Expect at least a 5-10% squeeze on your personal finances and thats if you keep your current job or its salary
How much are the lower paid health care workers (Inc nurses) owed then if the gross is that high and yet only received 1% or pay freezes since then.
Very good point."Aaand in that time nurse diplomas become a thing of the past. Nurses are now degree based but pay reviews never changed to take account of this. | |||
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"As an essential worker I cant wait to be taxed an absolute fuck ton so a whole bunch of people could stay at home. While I appreciate something like the furlough scheme had to happen, I cant help but feel the people "keeping the economy going" are the ones that are going to get screwed the hardest here.
Ws have one on furlough and one working 12 hour shifts 6 days per week to make up the difference.
Sweeping statement much?
Not in the slightest, I feel the one working 12 hour shifts should be getting tax breaks for "keeping the economy going"
I'd quite happily be sat at home earning 80% of my pay but it shouldn't come at the cost of EVERYONE suffering through another recession when the vast majority of essential workers have seen workloads double or triple during this time.
If you're getting funding through the scheme it's to help you out, not me, as I say I'd be more than happy to be sat at home on 80%.
So what would you do to stop the recession we are in?
Have people survive with very little money.
So they are not spending anything and the circle just gets worse?
I think the point im trying to make that you're missing is that the furlough scheme while essential should be paid back by the people currently benefitting from the furlough scheme not the people who are working their asses off currently to keep everything going.
I dont want claps on a Thursday, I want to know I'm not getting screwed hard financially after all this is done for having to work my ass off in dangerous conditions for zero extra benefits. "I didn't ask to be furlough and the mrs didn't ask to be working 6 days per week on 12 hour shifts with death all around her. We have worked for the last 30 years paying our taxes. I cant wait to get back to work. Still dont get your point though. People never asked to be furloughed. | |||
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"As an essential worker I cant wait to be taxed an absolute fuck ton so a whole bunch of people could stay at home. While I appreciate something like the furlough scheme had to happen, I cant help but feel the people "keeping the economy going" are the ones that are going to get screwed the hardest here.
So what would you do to stop the recession we are in?
Have people survive with very little money.
So they are not spending anything and the circle just gets worse?"He is absolutely right. The only long term answer is either a vaccine, but that isn't guaranteed in anyway or survival of the fittest or vulnerable population self shielding and the rest of the population carrying on as normal. The choice is yours! | |||
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"As an essential worker I cant wait to be taxed an absolute fuck ton so a whole bunch of people could stay at home. While I appreciate something like the furlough scheme had to happen, I cant help but feel the people "keeping the economy going" are the ones that are going to get screwed the hardest here.
Ws have one on furlough and one working 12 hour shifts 6 days per week to make up the difference.
Sweeping statement much?
Not in the slightest, I feel the one working 12 hour shifts should be getting tax breaks for "keeping the economy going"
I'd quite happily be sat at home earning 80% of my pay but it shouldn't come at the cost of EVERYONE suffering through another recession when the vast majority of essential workers have seen workloads double or triple during this time.
If you're getting funding through the scheme it's to help you out, not me, as I say I'd be more than happy to be sat at home on 80%.
So what would you do to stop the recession we are in?
Have people survive with very little money.
So they are not spending anything and the circle just gets worse?
I think the point im trying to make that you're missing is that the furlough scheme while essential should be paid back by the people currently benefitting from the furlough scheme not the people who are working their asses off currently to keep everything going.
I dont want claps on a Thursday, I want to know I'm not getting screwed hard financially after all this is done for having to work my ass off in dangerous conditions for zero extra benefits. "Contact rcn and discover what is happening about all the monies in the NHS charities. The NHS is supposed to be all about transparency, hmmmmm. There's a need to discover whether the money was given for workers or patients. Like Captain Tom, it was to staff to say thank you. It shouldn't be misappropriated to buying equipment for example. I know a donation was paid to London nurses (£250) to those who claim it, first come, first served. | |||
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"As an essential worker I cant wait to be taxed an absolute fuck ton so a whole bunch of people could stay at home. While I appreciate something like the furlough scheme had to happen, I cant help but feel the people "keeping the economy going" are the ones that are going to get screwed the hardest here.
Keep in perspective income tax is Likely to go up 1% hardly a fuck ton.
That said when pay raises have been about 5-8% gross since 2008
And inflation in that time has been 10-15%
Wallets are stretched and they about be stretched even further.
The problem with the last 08 economic "recovery" was the distribution of wealth. The money stayed at the top or invested.
It never filtered through to wages.
And the economic plan this time will result in the same thing.
Expect at least a 5-10% squeeze on your personal finances and thats if you keep your current job or its salary
How much are the lower paid health care workers (Inc nurses) owed then if the gross is that high and yet only received 1% or pay freezes since then. "Financially they are owed nothing... Every person including low paid workers in other sectors faced the same financial climate? I'd say the average person earning less than 40-50k is about 8% worse off pre virus compared to 08. The truth is 08 standards of living and lifestyle will probably never come back. The economy is adapting and so are peoples financial habits. Mostly not for the better peoples financial accounts are yoloed like a social media account The same standards of living are crammed into smaller boxes as we live in smaller and smaller homes, cars, airplanes and office spaces. Like a snickers bar reducing in size for the same price over the years Wow that sounds depressing as shit now I think about it | |||
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"As an essential worker I cant wait to be taxed an absolute fuck ton so a whole bunch of people could stay at home. While I appreciate something like the furlough scheme had to happen, I cant help but feel the people "keeping the economy going" are the ones that are going to get screwed the hardest here.
So what would you do to stop the recession we are in?
Have people survive with very little money.
So they are not spending anything and the circle just gets worse?
He is absolutely right.
The only long term answer is either a vaccine, but that isn't guaranteed in anyway or survival of the fittest or vulnerable population self shielding and the rest of the population carrying on as normal.
The choice is yours! "I dont really get what you are saying. But we have both had the virus and I would go back to work in a heartbeat. But I need to wait until my company says so. | |||
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" My son is 5 and born with asthma, he's one of the people you seem to deem the unhealthy ones you paying for..... Are you implying his life is not worth it? He's 5 years old, he's not intentionally "unhealthy" and Just so you know, the only unhealthy thing I did through his pregnancy was live in a polluted London.... You know the pollution that all these fit and healthy people contribute to.... Joke or not, it's very insensitive Well my dear smoking parent of an asthmatic child .
And all the others faked/ill-informed outrage, nothing I said is incorrect, 95% of deaths are in the unhealthy or elderly population.
We are paying a hell of a cost for trying to protect that minority from a virus that the WHO, suspect will be with us for ever now.
Obviously, this reality is quite difficult for much of the population to understand. "I only started smoking 2 years ago from the stress of a family death and divorce.... So again, my son was born with asthma, as in has had it since birth.... Try again lovely | |||
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"Yet another thread attacking those of us that have been furloughed! Most of us have NOT done so by choice, and MOST of us want to return to work as soon as possible. Reading most comments on the subject 'sour grapes' springs to mind in my opinion ""Attacking" No. Why each individual case is not being treated as a mini ongoing loan by the government to be paid back at a later date by the individual claiming the payment is what's baffling me. As I've said several times in this thread, I appreciate you didnt ask to be furloughed but I've not asked to be taxed extra because you have been while I've still been at work doing god knows how many hours a week, doubling workloads, no additional pay. | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change!
My son is 5 and born with asthma, he's one of the people you seem to deem the unhealthy ones you paying for..... Are you implying his life is not worth it? He's 5 years old, he's not intentionally "unhealthy" and Just so you know, the only unhealthy thing I did through his pregnancy was live in a polluted London.... You know the pollution that all these fit and healthy people contribute to.... Joke or not, it's very insensitive
Sorry but your profile says you are a smoker.
Did you smoke while pregnant.
Not having a go it's a legitimate question."No I did not smoke when I was pregnant. And no I do not smoke around my kids, I smoke outside of my house when/if I need to.... I'm more of a smoke when I have a drink person.... Which still makes me a smoker to people who dont want to meet to meet smokers, so that's why it's listed | |||
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And all the others faked/ill-informed outrage, nothing I said is incorrect, 95% of deaths are in the unhealthy or elderly population.
We are paying a hell of a cost for trying to protect that minority from a virus that the WHO, suspect will be with us for ever now.
Obviously, this reality is quite difficult for much of the population to understand.
I only started smoking 2 years ago from the stress of a family death and divorce.... So again, my son was born with asthma, as in has had it since birth.... Try again lovely "like i said I was not having ago it was a legitimate question. In my personal experience my mam had 7 kids . Me and my twin brother were born before she started smoking and we have never suffered with asthma. The other 5 were born after she started smoking they all have different levels of asthma and eczema. Wasn't having a go and didn't appreciate the try again lovely | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change!
My son is 5 and born with asthma, he's one of the people you seem to deem the unhealthy ones you paying for..... Are you implying his life is not worth it? He's 5 years old, he's not intentionally "unhealthy" and Just so you know, the only unhealthy thing I did through his pregnancy was live in a polluted London.... You know the pollution that all these fit and healthy people contribute to.... Joke or not, it's very insensitive
You must already take measures to keep him safe regardless of COVID? "Yes I have, we've been isolated since the first week of March, he had a hospital admission, tested negative for covid, so I pulled all my kids out of school and shielded all of us. Still doesn't excuse the comments made, it's insensitive to those who are at risk and those who have lost loved ones | |||
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" My son is 5 and born with asthma, he's one of the people you seem to deem the unhealthy ones you paying for..... Are you implying his life is not worth it? He's 5 years old, he's not intentionally "unhealthy" and Just so you know, the only unhealthy thing I did through his pregnancy was live in a polluted London.... You know the pollution that all these fit and healthy people contribute to.... Joke or not, it's very insensitive Well my dear smoking parent of an asthmatic child .
And all the others faked/ill-informed outrage, nothing I said is incorrect, 95% of deaths are in the unhealthy or elderly population.
We are paying a hell of a cost for trying to protect that minority from a virus that the WHO, suspect will be with us for ever now.
Obviously, this reality is quite difficult for much of the population to understand.
I only started smoking 2 years ago from the stress of a family death and divorce.... So again, my son was born with asthma, as in has had it since birth.... Try again lovely like i said I was not having ago it was a legitimate question. In my personal experience my mam had 7 kids .
Me and my twin brother were born before she started smoking and we have never suffered with asthma.
The other 5 were born after she started smoking they all have different levels of asthma and eczema.
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"Yet another thread attacking those of us that have been furloughed! Most of us have NOT done so by choice, and MOST of us want to return to work as soon as possible. Reading most comments on the subject 'sour grapes' springs to mind in my opinion
"Attacking" No.
Why each individual case is not being treated as a mini ongoing loan by the government to be paid back at a later date by the individual claiming the payment is what's baffling me.
As I've said several times in this thread, I appreciate you didnt ask to be furloughed but I've not asked to be taxed extra because you have been while I've still been at work doing god knows how many hours a week, doubling workloads, no additional pay. "I agree, why should public sector and civil servants who designed built and delivered the furlough scheme, self emlpoyed stuff plus all the Universal Credit systems be punished for the 45% on furlough. Ive heard a neighbour shout with joy at the extension... Seeing it as free money to upgrade house. Its causing a real divide. The population are being put into categories. | |||
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"Yet another thread attacking those of us that have been furloughed! Most of us have NOT done so by choice, and MOST of us want to return to work as soon as possible. Reading most comments on the subject 'sour grapes' springs to mind in my opinion
"Attacking" No.
Why each individual case is not being treated as a mini ongoing loan by the government to be paid back at a later date by the individual claiming the payment is what's baffling me.
As I've said several times in this thread, I appreciate you didnt ask to be furloughed but I've not asked to be taxed extra because you have been while I've still been at work doing god knows how many hours a week, doubling workloads, no additional pay.
I agree, why should public sector and civil servants who designed built and delivered the furlough scheme, self emlpoyed stuff plus all the Universal Credit systems be punished for the 45% on furlough.
Ive heard a neighbour shout with joy at the extension... Seeing it as free money to upgrade house.
Its causing a real divide.
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" My son is 5 and born with asthma, he's one of the people you seem to deem the unhealthy ones you paying for..... Are you implying his life is not worth it? He's 5 years old, he's not intentionally "unhealthy" and Just so you know, the only unhealthy thing I did through his pregnancy was live in a polluted London.... You know the pollution that all these fit and healthy people contribute to.... Joke or not, it's very insensitive Well my dear smoking parent of an asthmatic child .
And all the others faked/ill-informed outrage, nothing I said is incorrect, 95% of deaths are in the unhealthy or elderly population.
We are paying a hell of a cost for trying to protect that minority from a virus that the WHO, suspect will be with us for ever now.
Obviously, this reality is quite difficult for much of the population to understand.
I only started smoking 2 years ago from the stress of a family death and divorce.... So again, my son was born with asthma, as in has had it since birth.... Try again lovely like i said I was not having ago it was a legitimate question. In my personal experience my mam had 7 kids .
Me and my twin brother were born before she started smoking and we have never suffered with asthma.
The other 5 were born after she started smoking they all have different levels of asthma and eczema.
Wasn't having a go and didn't appreciate the try again lovely
The try again wasn't in response to you, it was in response the "my dear smoking parent" response "Oh ok sorry. | |||
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"Yet another thread attacking those of us that have been furloughed! Most of us have NOT done so by choice, and MOST of us want to return to work as soon as possible. Reading most comments on the subject 'sour grapes' springs to mind in my opinion
"Attacking" No.
Why each individual case is not being treated as a mini ongoing loan by the government to be paid back at a later date by the individual claiming the payment is what's baffling me.
As I've said several times in this thread, I appreciate you didnt ask to be furloughed but I've not asked to be taxed extra because you have been while I've still been at work doing god knows how many hours a week, doubling workloads, no additional pay.
I agree, why should public sector and civil servants who designed built and delivered the furlough scheme, self emlpoyed stuff plus all the Universal Credit systems be punished for the 45% on furlough.
Ive heard a neighbour shout with joy at the extension... Seeing it as free money to upgrade house.
Its causing a real divide.
The population are being put into categories. "Your neighbor shouted in joy that was getting less then their weekly wage to do up there house? If they couldn't afford it while on full pay how could they afford it on 80%. | |||
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"Yet another thread attacking those of us that have been furloughed! Most of us have NOT done so by choice, and MOST of us want to return to work as soon as possible. Reading most comments on the subject 'sour grapes' springs to mind in my opinion
"Attacking" No.
Why each individual case is not being treated as a mini ongoing loan by the government to be paid back at a later date by the individual claiming the payment is what's baffling me.
As I've said several times in this thread, I appreciate you didnt ask to be furloughed but I've not asked to be taxed extra because you have been while I've still been at work doing god knows how many hours a week, doubling workloads, no additional pay.
I agree, why should public sector and civil servants who designed built and delivered the furlough scheme, self emlpoyed stuff plus all the Universal Credit systems be punished for the 45% on furlough.
Ive heard a neighbour shout with joy at the extension... Seeing it as free money to upgrade house.
Its causing a real divide.
The population are being put into categories. Your neighbor shouted in joy that was getting less then their weekly wage to do up there house?
If they couldn't afford it while on full pay how could they afford it on 80%."The time to do things yourself is an incredibly valuable commodity. | |||
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"Yet another thread attacking those of us that have been furloughed! Most of us have NOT done so by choice, and MOST of us want to return to work as soon as possible. Reading most comments on the subject 'sour grapes' springs to mind in my opinion
"Attacking" No.
Why each individual case is not being treated as a mini ongoing loan by the government to be paid back at a later date by the individual claiming the payment is what's baffling me.
As I've said several times in this thread, I appreciate you didnt ask to be furloughed but I've not asked to be taxed extra because you have been while I've still been at work doing god knows how many hours a week, doubling workloads, no additional pay.
I agree, why should public sector and civil servants who designed built and delivered the furlough scheme, self emlpoyed stuff plus all the Universal Credit systems be punished for the 45% on furlough.
Ive heard a neighbour shout with joy at the extension... Seeing it as free money to upgrade house.
Its causing a real divide.
The population are being put into categories. Your neighbor shouted in joy that was getting less then their weekly wage to do up there house?
If they couldn't afford it while on full pay how could they afford it on 80%.
The time to do things yourself is an incredibly valuable commodity. "Yes something I agree with you. Before furlough I was only home from 9PM on a friday night until 5am on a monday morning. So not much time for ourselves. | |||
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"As an essential worker I cant wait to be taxed an absolute fuck ton so a whole bunch of people could stay at home. While I appreciate something like the furlough scheme had to happen, I cant help but feel the people "keeping the economy going" are the ones that are going to get screwed the hardest here.
Keep in perspective income tax is Likely to go up 1% hardly a fuck ton.
That said when pay raises have been about 5-8% gross since 2008
And inflation in that time has been 10-15%
Wallets are stretched and they about be stretched even further.
The problem with the last 08 economic "recovery" was the distribution of wealth. The money stayed at the top or invested.
It never filtered through to wages.
And the economic plan this time will result in the same thing.
Expect at least a 5-10% squeeze on your personal finances and thats if you keep your current job or its salary
How much are the lower paid health care workers (Inc nurses) owed then if the gross is that high and yet only received 1% or pay freezes since then.
Financially they are owed nothing...
Every person including low paid workers in other sectors faced the same financial climate?
I'd say the average person earning less than 40-50k is about 8% worse off pre virus compared to 08.
The truth is 08 standards of living and lifestyle will probably never come back.
The economy is adapting and so are peoples financial habits. Mostly not for the better
peoples financial accounts are yoloed like a social media account
The same standards of living are crammed into smaller boxes as we live in smaller and smaller homes, cars, airplanes and office spaces.
Like a snickers bar reducing in size for the same price over the years
Wow that sounds depressing as shit now I think about it "Owed in theory. | |||
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" I only started smoking 2 years ago from the stress of a family death and divorce.... So again, my son was born with asthma, as in has had it since birth.... Try again lovely " Hahaha, and your excuse for smoking in the house of an asthmatic 5 yo now is.... ??? | |||
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"Divide and rule, folks; works every time. Muppets.
How conducive to debating... "
If you consider the majority of posts on this thread to be a debate, then I suppose that your comment is justifiable. To me however, most of them are simply tit for tat squabbling.
You and a few others do actually debate on these forums, and I commend you for it, but you are in a minority and anyway, it wasn't you to whom I was referring.
Already you can see the cracks in solidarity appearing between those having to work through this pandemic, and those who, through no fault of their own, are now on furlough, many of whom face a very uncertain future.
However hard it may be for the people having to work at the moment, at least they have an almost certain chance of remaining in their jobs at the end of all this. How many now on furlough, the vast majority of them against their wishes, have the same prospects?
The supposed documents from the treasury were leaked with the specific purpose of sowing this sort of disunity, and from what I've read here on this thread, they've achieved the exact result they were designed to. If we can't stick together at this time and show that the status quo is no longer acceptable, then we can surely expect a return to the economic measures of the past decade, and that means yet more hardship for all but the few. | |||
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"Divide and rule, folks; works every time. Muppets.
How conducive to debating...
If you consider the majority of posts on this thread to be a debate, then I suppose that your comment is justifiable. To me however, most of them are simply tit for tat squabbling.
You and a few others do actually debate on these forums, and I commend you for it, but you are in a minority and anyway, it wasn't you to whom I was referring.
Already you can see the cracks in solidarity appearing between those having to work through this pandemic, and those who, through no fault of their own, are now on furlough, many of whom face a very uncertain future.
However hard it may be for the people having to work at the moment, at least they have an almost certain chance of remaining in their jobs at the end of all this. How many now on furlough, the vast majority of them against their wishes, have the same prospects?
The supposed documents from the treasury were leaked with the specific purpose of sowing this sort of disunity, and from what I've read here on this thread, they've achieved the exact result they were designed to. If we can't stick together at this time and show that the status quo is no longer acceptable, then we can surely expect a return to the economic measures of the past decade, and that means yet more hardship for all but the few. "That's better  .
I must admit that I feel for those on the front line (where I would be under different circumstances) and those furloughed for very different reasons. I also feel for other key workers but they are less exposed to the virus. We definitely should not be divided but united as most of us are mere minions. | |||
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"I bought this subject up in the forums at the start of lockdown , ie some people who are living above their means with new cars mortgages etc but some fabbers just laughed , not so funny now is it when the stark reality hits home , Don’t forget there is a penalty to furlough , watch out for tax hikes , council tax increases and higher prices in the shops , " This is known as the debt to income ratio. Crazy ratios where allowed pre 2008 think 100% mortgages and self certification As we reached the peak of this economic cycle by 2017 real profit became harder and harder to find and high levels of returns where expected on investment. Which pushed riskier loans and high debt to Income ratios... Car loans are the new personal sub prime debt market. That's why you see eveyone driving around in a leased 25k new car every 2 years. Debt is required to move an economy and you have two options... State debt and higher taxes like you get under a labour government Or personal debt and lower taxes under a Conservative government Neither are right or wrong... But you need a balance and we don't have that right now and probably won't until the next election. I hope all this triggers another election and the public decided what economic future we wil use to see this through rather than a handful of mps | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change! What a disgrace to the human race you are I bet you would change your mind if one of your close family unfortunately Caught the virus and passed away "Lockdown probably won't greatly change the number of people who die from covid-19 - just when they die | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change! What a disgrace to the human race you are I bet you would change your mind if one of your close family unfortunately Caught the virus and passed away
Lockdown probably won't greatly change the number of people who die from covid-19 - just when they die"Idiot its, already shown 50k above, aveage | |||
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Lockdown probably won't greatly change the number of people who die from covid-19 - just when they die
Idiot its, already shown 50k above, aveage"Also is it cos you got such a small cock you talk such bollocks | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change! What a disgrace to the human race you are I bet you would change your mind if one of your close family unfortunately Caught the virus and passed away
Lockdown probably won't greatly change the number of people who die from covid-19 - just when they die
Idiot its, already shown 50k above, aveage"Huh? | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change! What a disgrace to the human race you are I bet you would change your mind if one of your close family unfortunately Caught the virus and passed away
Lockdown probably won't greatly change the number of people who die from covid-19 - just when they die
Idiot its, already shown 50k above, aveage
Also is it cos you got such a small cock you talk such bollocks"Actually his statement has some logic to it. Yours has none. | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change! What a disgrace to the human race you are I bet you would change your mind if one of your close family unfortunately Caught the virus and passed away
Lockdown probably won't greatly change the number of people who die from covid-19 - just when they die
Idiot its, already shown 50k above, aveage
Huh?"Excess deaths for this time of year are 50,000 above average, covid-19 related but not all of the disease itself | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change! What a disgrace to the human race you are I bet you would change your mind if one of your close family unfortunately Caught the virus and passed away
Lockdown probably won't greatly change the number of people who die from covid-19 - just when they die
Idiot its, already shown 50k above, aveage
Huh?
Excess deaths for this time of year are 50,000 above average, covid-19 related but not all of the disease itself "Thanks for the interpretation. And did he call the previous poster an idiot or idiotic, when he couldn't string a sentence together? | |||
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"In the current situation so many people are not going to be able to work, either because their industry is shut down, or their company has had to close or enforce limitations. It looks to me like we are going to be faced with massive unemployment and people deeply suffering. Even if the government tried to continue both the job retention scheme and self employment grant, it can't be financially even a medium term plan. It just still looks like it's going to be a very tough ride ahead. I'm worried about the recession that must be on its way and all the situations that with bring. Many of us (including myself) may have to have a complete career change which can be difficult when employment is more scarce and you are 50. "I had a phone call on monday that I'm being made redundant so as of June 11th I will be unemployed, wont get any redundancy as my 2 years would have been on 21st June. Now got to try and get another job during all this | |||
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"Yet another thread attacking those of us that have been furloughed! Most of us have NOT done so by choice, and MOST of us want to return to work as soon as possible. Reading most comments on the subject 'sour grapes' springs to mind in my opinion
"Attacking" No.
Why each individual case is not being treated as a mini ongoing loan by the government to be paid back at a later date by the individual claiming the payment is what's baffling me.
"Because there will be many individuals living paycheck to paycheck who won't ever be able to afford to repay two or three or more months wages once this is over? | |||
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"In the current situation so many people are not going to be able to work, either because their industry is shut down, or their company has had to close or enforce limitations. It looks to me like we are going to be faced with massive unemployment and people deeply suffering. Even if the government tried to continue both the job retention scheme and self employment grant, it can't be financially even a medium term plan. It just still looks like it's going to be a very tough ride ahead. I'm worried about the recession that must be on its way and all the situations that with bring. Many of us (including myself) may have to have a complete career change which can be difficult when employment is more scarce and you are 50.
I had a phone call on monday that I'm being made redundant so as of June 11th I will be unemployed, wont get any redundancy as my 2 years would have been on 21st June. Now got to try and get another job during all this "Sorry to hear that | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change! What a disgrace to the human race you are I bet you would change your mind if one of your close family unfortunately Caught the virus and passed away
Lockdown probably won't greatly change the number of people who die from covid-19 - just when they die
Idiot its, already shown 50k above, aveage
Huh?
Excess deaths for this time of year are 50,000 above average, covid-19 related but not all of the disease itself "Yes they are related didn't just happen So why did it increase pathetic not valuing life. Money more important then life!! | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change! "It seems you can say anything you like as long as you put the disclaimer "lol" at the end, like it's a "get out of jail free" card. | |||
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"Agree things are gonna be very tough for alot of people. Hell of a cost we're paying for the over 75's and the unhealthy. Lol. Still on the bright side, a mere virus is nothing compared with climate change! What a disgrace to the human race you are I bet you would change your mind if one of your close family unfortunately Caught the virus and passed away
Lockdown probably won't greatly change the number of people who die from covid-19 - just when they die
Idiot its, already shown 50k above, aveage
Huh?
Excess deaths for this time of year are 50,000 above average, covid-19 related but not all of the disease itself
Yes they are related didn't just happen
So why did it increase pathetic not valuing life. Money more important then life!! "Can you think about what you're trying to get across before posting. | |||
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"We need to start shaking billionares down..." Why when they / their companies are the ones that provide employment in the first place? Just because they are successful maybe? | |||
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"We need to start shaking billionares down... Why when they / their companies are the ones that provide employment in the first place? Just because they are successful maybe?" Maybe some loose 50 pound notes will fall out during the shake down | |||
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"In the current situation so many people are not going to be able to work, either because their industry is shut down, or their company has had to close or enforce limitations. It looks to me like we are going to be faced with massive unemployment and people deeply suffering. Even if the government tried to continue both the job retention scheme and self employment grant, it can't be financially even a medium term plan. It just still looks like it's going to be a very tough ride ahead. I'm worried about the recession that must be on its way and all the situations that with bring. Many of us (including myself) may have to have a complete career change which can be difficult when employment is more scarce and you are 50. "I empathise with your situation. I became unemployed when all this started. Think of your life as a bubble. Before covid, and what was perceived as your norm, your bubble was filled with everything you previously wanted to create, both positive and negatives. An opportunity has been given to us. An opportunity to fill our bubbles with something new. Your bubble will expand into something greater than before. Have faith in yourself for you have more potential than you know. There are silver linings to be found and I sincerely hope you find yours Glitterbabe  | |||
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"In the current situation so many people are not going to be able to work, either because their industry is shut down, or their company has had to close or enforce limitations. It looks to me like we are going to be faced with massive unemployment and people deeply suffering. Even if the government tried to continue both the job retention scheme and self employment grant, it can't be financially even a medium term plan. It just still looks like it's going to be a very tough ride ahead. I'm worried about the recession that must be on its way and all the situations that with bring. Many of us (including myself) may have to have a complete career change which can be difficult when employment is more scarce and you are 50.
I had a phone call on monday that I'm being made redundant so as of June 11th I will be unemployed, wont get any redundancy as my 2 years would have been on 21st June. Now got to try and get another job during all this
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"We need to start shaking billionares down... Why when they / their companies are the ones that provide employment in the first place? Just because they are successful maybe?" No, not because they are successful, but because seriously, who needs a billion pounds to lead a luxury lifestyle? They have far more money than they could ever possibly need. A lot of billionaires don't necessarily have their money stashed away, granted, most of it is in shares, but those that do have a few billion in offshore accounts should really be asked to chip in a little extra, don't you think? I know many billionaires are also philanthropists, and good for them too, but what real difference would it make to the lifestyle of someone worth 10 billion, to donate half of their fortune to their country of residence in a time of great need. Do you think that they couldn't possibly live on a mere 5 billion? | |||
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"As an essential worker I cant wait to be taxed an absolute fuck ton so a whole bunch of people could stay at home. While I appreciate something like the furlough scheme had to happen, I cant help but feel the people "keeping the economy going" are the ones that are going to get screwed the hardest here.
Ws have one on furlough and one working 12 hour shifts 6 days per week to make up the difference.
Sweeping statement much?
Not in the slightest, I feel the one working 12 hour shifts should be getting tax breaks for "keeping the economy going"
I'd quite happily be sat at home earning 80% of my pay but it shouldn't come at the cost of EVERYONE suffering through another recession when the vast majority of essential workers have seen workloads double or triple during this time.
If you're getting funding through the scheme it's to help you out, not me, as I say I'd be more than happy to be sat at home on 80%.
So what would you do to stop the recession we are in?
Have people survive with very little money.
So they are not spending anything and the circle just gets worse?
I think the point im trying to make that you're missing is that the furlough scheme while essential should be paid back by the people currently benefitting from the furlough scheme not the people who are working their asses off currently to keep everything going.
I dont want claps on a Thursday, I want to know I'm not getting screwed hard financially after all this is done for having to work my ass off in dangerous conditions for zero extra benefits. "yes that's exactly what my wife's entire department feels too - she works in the largest hospital trust in UK.
All those weekly clapping is condescending; if you want to reward someone, give them a 20% pay increase , financed by tax increases on those receiving furlough now. | |||
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"In the current situation so many people are not going to be able to work, either because their industry is shut down, or their company has had to close or enforce limitations. It looks to me like we are going to be faced with massive unemployment and people deeply suffering. Even if the government tried to continue both the job retention scheme and self employment grant, it can't be financially even a medium term plan. It just still looks like it's going to be a very tough ride ahead. I'm worried about the recession that must be on its way and all the situations that with bring. Many of us (including myself) may have to have a complete career change which can be difficult when employment is more scarce and you are 50.
I empathise with your situation. I became unemployed when all this started.
Think of your life as a bubble. Before covid, and what was perceived as your norm, your bubble was filled with everything you previously wanted to create, both positive and negatives. An opportunity has been given to us. An opportunity to fill our bubbles with something new. Your bubble will expand into something greater than before. Have faith in yourself for you have more potential than you know.
There are silver linings to be found and I sincerely hope you find yours Glitterbabe "thank you so much I really appreciate that and it is a great way of thinking about it. | |||
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