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By *ebeccaHallTV OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

BECKENHAM

Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......"

So what's your alternative suggestions for managing a virus we still don't have any preemptive response for? Herd immunity will help, but that will take time unless you want the hospital's overflowing.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

They could do an election remotely to be fair.

My week this week is mostly helping old and special needs people to learn to access remote services.

We always knew a vaccine was unlikely but put simply. People will not stay away from others indefinitely.

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By *ebeccaHallTV OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

BECKENHAM

The government are going to have to make a very difficult choice between lockdown and getting the country running again economically (which is a choice I do not envy) but lockdown cannot continue for eternity otherwise the country will enter social disobediance and chaos

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......"

Of course an election can take place. But we always end up with the same shower of sh!te

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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago

harrow


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......"

And what is different anywhere else in the world if no vaccine is found? Restrictions will be in globally for years so get used to it just like the whole world will have to until a vaccine is hopefully found and widely distributed. Worry about the tragic loss of life around the globe rather than fears of a 'dictatorship' ! We aren't N.Korea just yet so maybe cherish your freedom

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By *ounty durham bbw coupleCouple
over a year ago

darlington

No one is going to tolerate being separated form families over that timescale they wont keep pubs and restaurants shut forever or hairdressers etc this is a conservative government bankrolled by billionaire businessman eventually money will become more important than people think Donald Trump

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By *ickyBird067Man
over a year ago

london

Your all mad if you think Vaccines are the answer , try doing some research on VACCINES , , DONT BE A SHEEP !

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By *ounty durham bbw coupleCouple
over a year ago

darlington


"Your all mad if you think Vaccines are the answer , try doing some research on VACCINES , , DONT BE A SHEEP !"
the only research I find against it are by tin foil had wearing debunked scientists

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Successful treatment ie successful antiviral is what we have to hope for.

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By *ebeccaHallTV OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

BECKENHAM

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By *ebeccaHallTV OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

BECKENHAM


"Your all mad if you think Vaccines are the answer , try doing some research on VACCINES , , DONT BE A SHEEP !"

I did not suggest that a vaccine was an answer,

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By *ebeccaHallTV OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

BECKENHAM


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......

And what is different anywhere else in the world if no vaccine is found? Restrictions will be in globally for years so get used to it just like the whole world will have to until a vaccine is hopefully found and widely distributed. Worry about the tragic loss of life around the globe rather than fears of a 'dictatorship' ! We aren't N.Korea just yet so maybe cherish your freedom "

You just said it 'cherish your freedom' while you still and how do you think freedom ends, it starts by little things put into place which lead to bigger issues

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......"
This will not happen,there will be an election in five years I feel certain so cheer up.They may never be a vaccine however,we will adjust we will have to

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By *eavy-Metal-CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Liverpool

This government had since Januray to deal with this but as per usual don't. Also they can't keep the lockdown going as more and more people are seeing there civil liberality being eroded away. What we need is commen sense which sadly our government are severely lacking of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Successful treatment ie successful antiviral is what we have to hope for. "
That's what the gay community is still looking for, how many year's have they been waiting?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is right, it could take 10 years to develop a vaccine and even then it is not sure it wont work, this new reality of life could last that long too which is kind of a lockdown but with more freedom, we might never come back to how it was, those with underlying conditions will be more at risk, the best someone can do is to work on their immune system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......"

I thought we still had a postal voting service.... I don't see how this virus would effect an election and voting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Successful treatment ie successful antiviral is what we have to hope for. That's what the gay community is still looking for, how many year's have they been waiting? "

Gay? Do you mean for HIV?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Successful treatment ie successful antiviral is what we have to hope for. That's what the gay community is still looking for, how many year's have they been waiting?

Gay? Do you mean for HIV? "

He cant help himself - he’s from Weston - they don’t believe straight people can get hiv there!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Successful treatment ie successful antiviral is what we have to hope for. That's what the gay community is still looking for, how many year's have they been waiting?

Gay? Do you mean for HIV?

He cant help himself - he’s from Weston - they don’t believe straight people can get hiv there! "

If he does mean HIV then he's wrong. Unless he thinks being gay is a virus

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem

As I mentioned many weeks ago now passive immunization is one option if successful in transferring the antibodies. Which is what they are doing tests for now with plasma from those who've recovered from covid 19.

Other route which has been researched for years already is identifying those with predisposition to sepsis and similar conditions.

Identifying those with highest risk would mean quicker treatment to prevent the need for critical care. The person will know if they have symptoms to seek care sooner than later knowing they are of higher risk.

Time is what will save more people as it stands people who have this predisposition have waited till it's already severe before calling an ambulance or making their way to a hospital. By then it can be too late.

Reaction and proactive response to those who need the care will mean this virus won't have as devastating impact.

Government should be investing in other ways than relying on a vaccine that they still haven't been able to do for sars.

Medical records of sepsis cases can be traced and their families informed. Ones who haven't been recorded as having sepsis or have yet to suffer with it will still be at risk. But using the knowledge of tracing family lines can help identify those at risk and to aid the research already going on DNA samples sent for further study.

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By *racy_JacksWoman
over a year ago

Derby


"Successful treatment ie successful antiviral is what we have to hope for. That's what the gay community is still looking for, how many year's have they been waiting?

Gay? Do you mean for HIV? "

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52630412

Finally, this will hopefully provide answers and an effective treatment and prevention plan quicker than waiting for a vaccine

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By *P3NmindedJaYMan
over a year ago

bridgwater

There will be one but if you knew what goes into it you wouldnt want it anyway. Would you want you and your kids microchipped and mercury and other deadly toxins in your body's. The truth about vaccines would make you think again

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Johnson isn't particularly known for reliability or truth. I have more faith in some vaccine developments coming to fruition.

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"Johnson isn't particularly known for reliability or truth. I have more faith in some vaccine developments coming to fruition. "

Edinburgh university being uks foremost sepsis research facility. That already has mass DNA libraries already and using the covid 19 specimens could help identify further markers in the genomes.

I'd suspect even collaboration with Italy also. Genetic predisposition research has proven fruitful for the likes of breast cancer, diabetes and familial hypercholesterolemia (genetic condition causing high cholesterol which reduces life expectancy by 20-30 years) as well as other genetic conditions.

How many of you heard of FH?

So it gives light to the fact with more data highlighting those predisposed can then pinpoint in the genetic code quicker who does and does not have this risk and providing treatment sooner rather than later. Vaccine or not knowing who is at risk and why is better than guessing and the wait and see approach.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There has never been a vaccine doing for this type of virus. Life has always been risky...just ask a barebacker. Lol. In the end, whenever we come out of hiding, it will be a risk. I still think it's mad they are saying go to work before you see your family. Never mind seeking an exit from loneliness. It will be scary for a while..as scary as history

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By *revaunanceCouple
over a year ago

Exeter


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......"

Why couldn't there be a general election? Many people already use postal voting, and this could be the catalyst for moving to an improved election system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......

Why couldn't there be a general election? Many people already use postal voting, and this could be the catalyst for moving to an improved election system."

Or a far worse easily rigged system.

I wonder what the Tories would prefer... (i know really)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......

Why couldn't there be a general election? Many people already use postal voting, and this could be the catalyst for moving to an improved election system.

Or a far worse easily rigged system.

I wonder what the Tories would prefer... (i know really)"

They must be cursing this pandemic. Not only has it exposed them as the incompetent fools they always were, but it's also put a halt to their plans for gerrymandering and rigging the judiciary USA style...for the time being anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There will definitely be a mandatory vaccine and digital certificate coming.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......

Why couldn't there be a general election? Many people already use postal voting, and this could be the catalyst for moving to an improved election system.

Or a far worse easily rigged system.

I wonder what the Tories would prefer... (i know really)"

i know labour councils in some areas have used postal votes to rig results how wide spread i have no idea.and why wouldnt we have an election pollung stations are a lot more empry than super markets and everyone is still using them.mabey hild voting over two days instead of one.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"There will definitely be a mandatory vaccine and digital certificate coming."

there wont be a mandatory vaccine u cant force people to take it and why are you certain there will be a vaccine

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster

A 3 day old baby has died , mother tested positive for covid 19 ,covid 19 is on the babies death certificate , such sad times

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Successful treatment ie successful antiviral is what we have to hope for. That's what the gay community is still looking for, how many year's have they been waiting?

Gay? Do you mean for HIV?

He cant help himself - he’s from Weston - they don’t believe straight people can get hiv there!

If he does mean HIV then he's wrong. Unless he thinks being gay is a virus "
There is no HIV vaccine as most people know, and I know gay is not a virus but anyone with an IQ above 5 knows it affects the gay community more.

Some people on here are assholes not sure if born that way or went to night school to perfect it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There will definitely be a mandatory vaccine and digital certificate coming.

there wont be a mandatory vaccine u cant force people to take it and why are you certain there will be a vaccine"

Because as its been said, you can't go back to normal life with mass gatherings till everyone has been vaccinated.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

but what makes u so sure there will be a vaccine.if there aint we all gona have to go out into the world at some point

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster


"Successful treatment ie successful antiviral is what we have to hope for. That's what the gay community is still looking for, how many year's have they been waiting?

Gay? Do you mean for HIV?

He cant help himself - he’s from Weston - they don’t believe straight people can get hiv there!

If he does mean HIV then he's wrong. Unless he thinks being gay is a virus There is no HIV vaccine as most people know, and I know gay is not a virus but anyone with an IQ above 5 knows it affects the gay community more.

Some people on here are assholes not sure if born that way or went to night school to perfect it. "
actually it's more prevalent in the heterosexual community these days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Successful treatment ie successful antiviral is what we have to hope for. That's what the gay community is still looking for, how many year's have they been waiting?

Gay? Do you mean for HIV?

He cant help himself - he’s from Weston - they don’t believe straight people can get hiv there!

If he does mean HIV then he's wrong. Unless he thinks being gay is a virus There is no HIV vaccine as most people know, and I know gay is not a virus but anyone with an IQ above 5 knows it affects the gay community more.

Some people on here are assholes not sure if born that way or went to night school to perfect it. actually it's more prevalent in the heterosexual community these days "
Because the gay community have learned how to live with it better, just like we will with this virus.

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By *revaunanceCouple
over a year ago

Exeter


"There will definitely be a mandatory vaccine and digital certificate coming.

there wont be a mandatory vaccine u cant force people to take it and why are you certain there will be a vaccine

Because as its been said, you can't go back to normal life with mass gatherings till everyone has been vaccinated."

As no vaccine has yet been produced, and may never, you cannot make vaccination mandatory.

You might as well make it mandatory that people have to dance on the surface of the sun before they can vote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There will definitely be a mandatory vaccine and digital certificate coming."

Definitely, Bill Gates needs more people to kill or control.

Make sure you keep that tin foil hat nice and tight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There will definitely be a mandatory vaccine and digital certificate coming.

Definitely, Bill Gates needs more people to kill or control.

Make sure you keep that tin foil hat nice and tight. "

And you make sure you keep believing every single word the politicians, leaders, news media, newspapers tell you.

They would NEVER ever lie.

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"Successful treatment ie successful antiviral is what we have to hope for. That's what the gay community is still looking for, how many year's have they been waiting?

Gay? Do you mean for HIV?

He cant help himself - he’s from Weston - they don’t believe straight people can get hiv there!

If he does mean HIV then he's wrong. Unless he thinks being gay is a virus There is no HIV vaccine as most people know, and I know gay is not a virus but anyone with an IQ above 5 knows it affects the gay community more.

Some people on here are assholes not sure if born that way or went to night school to perfect it. "

Approximately 38 million people globally living with HIV, 17 million are women, 1.7 million are children.

Reason men are more susceptible via actions used during sex. Anal sex causes microtears in the tissue and viral transference occurs via entering the micro tears or blood entering through tissue under the glands with foreskin or urethra.

Women arent as susceptible as the vagina is a self cleansing organ the ph and secretions help preventing infection but microtears can occur vaginally. Women practicing anal is also a large impact on infection.

So yes indeed more men are affected by HIV but women aren't too far behind over 19 million men, 17 million women. So really is it only a priority for gay men?

Doesn't take an IQ to see this just an open mind. HIV isnt the "gay disease"

Just small minded people think that being hetero keeps you safe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Successful treatment ie successful antiviral is what we have to hope for. That's what the gay community is still looking for, how many year's have they been waiting?

Gay? Do you mean for HIV?

He cant help himself - he’s from Weston - they don’t believe straight people can get hiv there!

If he does mean HIV then he's wrong. Unless he thinks being gay is a virus There is no HIV vaccine as most people know, and I know gay is not a virus but anyone with an IQ above 5 knows it affects the gay community more.

Some people on here are assholes not sure if born that way or went to night school to perfect it.

Approximately 38 million people globally living with HIV, 17 million are women, 1.7 million are children.

Reason men are more susceptible via actions used during sex. Anal sex causes microtears in the tissue and viral transference occurs via entering the micro tears or blood entering through tissue under the glands with foreskin or urethra.

Women arent as susceptible as the vagina is a self cleansing organ the ph and secretions help preventing infection but microtears can occur vaginally. Women practicing anal is also a large impact on infection.

So yes indeed more men are affected by HIV but women aren't too far behind over 19 million men, 17 million women. So really is it only a priority for gay men?

Doesn't take an IQ to see this just an open mind. HIV isnt the "gay disease"

Just small minded people think that being hetero keeps you safe."
Very enlightening .

Thank you.

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster


"Successful treatment ie successful antiviral is what we have to hope for. That's what the gay community is still looking for, how many year's have they been waiting?

Gay? Do you mean for HIV?

He cant help himself - he’s from Weston - they don’t believe straight people can get hiv there!

If he does mean HIV then he's wrong. Unless he thinks being gay is a virus There is no HIV vaccine as most people know, and I know gay is not a virus but anyone with an IQ above 5 knows it affects the gay community more.

Some people on here are assholes not sure if born that way or went to night school to perfect it. actually it's more prevalent in the heterosexual community these days Because the gay community have learned how to live with it better, just like we will with this virus. "
not strictly correct , it's because the heterosexual community believed it didn't affect them

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire


"There will definitely be a mandatory vaccine and digital certificate coming.

Definitely, Bill Gates needs more people to kill or control.

Make sure you keep that tin foil hat nice and tight.

And you make sure you keep believing every single word the politicians, leaders, news media, newspapers tell you.

They would NEVER ever lie."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People are living in fear waiting for a cure when there is none. Part of me thinks our way if living has become too clean and risk averse and the germs are just fighting back. Humanity has survived all sorts of atrocity and anguish throughout the centuries but they have always fucked and fought, lived and died their way out of it. We have to emerge sometime..but when? Certainly not til a mythical vaccine is available

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London


"Successful treatment ie successful antiviral is what we have to hope for. That's what the gay community is still looking for, how many year's have they been waiting?

Gay? Do you mean for HIV?

He cant help himself - he’s from Weston - they don’t believe straight people can get hiv there!

If he does mean HIV then he's wrong. Unless he thinks being gay is a virus There is no HIV vaccine as most people know, and I know gay is not a virus but anyone with an IQ above 5 knows it affects the gay community more.

Some people on here are assholes not sure if born that way or went to night school to perfect it. actually it's more prevalent in the heterosexual community these days Because the gay community have learned how to live with it better, just like we will with this virus. "

Poor comparison

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"People are living in fear waiting for a cure when there is none. Part of me thinks our way if living has become too clean and risk averse and the germs are just fighting back. Humanity has survived all sorts of atrocity and anguish throughout the centuries but they have always fucked and fought, lived and died their way out of it. We have to emerge sometime..but when? Certainly not til a mythical vaccine is available

D"

agree with this.also dont think it helps our immune systems. by how many chemicqls get sprayed about our homes to clean them.is good to have some germs floating about.throughout history mother nature has tried wiping us out and we are still here plodding along

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The virus will eventually die out by itself just like the other ones have, it might just be a longer time with this one too.

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London


"The virus will eventually die out by itself just like the other ones have, it might just be a longer time with this one too."

That’s what I’m hoping for as well.

It may not die completely, but it could get to a stage where the infections are so low they it doesn’t pose the level of risk we have at the moment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There will definitely be a mandatory vaccine and digital certificate coming.

Definitely, Bill Gates needs more people to kill or control.

Make sure you keep that tin foil hat nice and tight.

And you make sure you keep believing every single word the politicians, leaders, news media, newspapers tell you.

They would NEVER ever lie."

If you think I do that, then you're much mistaken, as I've told you before.

The thing is Dave, I, along with many others have the nous to recognise bullshit when I smell it. Wherever it's coming from.

Have a nice day, lol. xxx

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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago

Sheffield


"People are living in fear waiting for a cure when there is none. Part of me thinks our way if living has become too clean and risk averse and the germs are just fighting back. Humanity has survived all sorts of atrocity and anguish throughout the centuries but they have always fucked and fought, lived and died their way out of it. We have to emerge sometime..but when? Certainly not til a mythical vaccine is available

D"

Absolutely true. We are constantly hearing that if it saves just one life then let's have this safety protocol or camera or whatever ..then a virus arrives and hell breaks loose .. there's obviously a risk with the virus but the response is to hid at home and let the world end.

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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago

birmingham

The 68-69 Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 80,000 in the UK with a significanty smaller population than we have now. That virus is still around today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The virus will eventually die out by itself just like the other ones have, it might just be a longer time with this one too.

That’s what I’m hoping for as well.

It may not die completely, but it could get to a stage where the infections are so low they it doesn’t pose the level of risk we have at the moment. "
That is right I think it will slow down when it doesnt have any more people to infect, that is why I think everyone will get it but ranging from mild to different symptoms of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There will definitely be a mandatory vaccine and digital certificate coming.

Definitely, Bill Gates needs more people to kill or control.

Make sure you keep that tin foil hat nice and tight.

And you make sure you keep believing every single word the politicians, leaders, news media, newspapers tell you.

They would NEVER ever lie.

If you think I do that, then you're much mistaken, as I've told you before.

The thing is Dave, I, along with many others have the nous to recognise bullshit when I smell it. Wherever it's coming from.

Have a nice day, lol. xxx

"

Well it's time to open those nostrils and smell that bull!!

Even my mum, who is the least conspiracist ever, says the whole official virus from wet market bats narrative stinks.

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By *amagustaMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

Vaccine will be produced by an Organization called ID2020 sponsored by Rockefeller and Gates Foundation.

Vaccine will come with a biometric chip.

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over a year ago


"Vaccine will be produced by an Organization called ID2020 sponsored by Rockefeller and Gates Foundation.

Vaccine will come with a biometric chip. "

Oh dear another one who clicked on the wrong website.

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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago

birmingham

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"Vaccine will be produced by an Organization called ID2020 sponsored by Rockefeller and Gates Foundation.

Vaccine will come with a biometric chip. "

i dont particulary like bill gates as he has a bit of a god complex but f u think we are all gona be chipped ya need to give your head a wobble.simples if you think your gona be tracked where ever you go then dont have a vaccine IF they come up with one.myself i will have one if they cine up with one jst will wait a year or two first my reason id rather wait and see if it has side effects and what they might be before i make up my mind about it but if u think we all gina be chipped you need to stay out of the sun or at least wear a hat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There will definitely be a mandatory vaccine and digital certificate coming."

Mandatory? Go on elaborate, I'll bite.

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By *oAnCouple
over a year ago

Streatham


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

"

Right in the beginning of this crisis, the scientific/medical professional community discussed this whole issue and the emphasis was always on finding a treatment first.

So with every death and every success a picture is built up with what works as a treatment and not.

For some reason the tin hat brigade spurred on by the media went after the vaccine when in fact it may be many decades before anything comes from a vaccine, remember HIV/AIDS vaccine well that has been ongoing for nearly 40 years. Personally I think it was to give people hope.

So the whole lock down was to allow for some sort of understanding of the virus, how it works and a treatment and boy have we come a long way in 2 months.

At some point the government will relent to ongoing demands to go back to work and in future perhaps the young will ask why? For now though a treatment plan is still the only way forward to get out of this lockdown!

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By *69BANMan
over a year ago

Reading


"Vaccine will be produced by an Organization called ID2020 sponsored by Rockefeller and Gates Foundation.

Vaccine will come with a biometric chip. "

Obvious troll is obvious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Successful treatment ie successful antiviral is what we have to hope for. That's what the gay community is still looking for, how many year's have they been waiting?

Gay? Do you mean for HIV?

He cant help himself - he’s from Weston - they don’t believe straight people can get hiv there!

If he does mean HIV then he's wrong. Unless he thinks being gay is a virus There is no HIV vaccine as most people know, and I know gay is not a virus but anyone with an IQ above 5 knows it affects the gay community more.

Some people on here are assholes not sure if born that way or went to night school to perfect it. "

So you're changing your stance from no antiviral to no vaccine now you know you're wrong.

YOU were in the wrong to label a community instead of a virus since that's what's being discussed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The virus will eventually die out by itself just like the other ones have, it might just be a longer time with this one too."

And what scientist has come up with this piece of "news"?

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"The 68-69 Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 80,000 in the UK with a significanty smaller population than we have now. That virus is still around today"

The flu vaccinations are included for Hong Kong flu - h3n2

Indeed it's still prevalent

Quadrivalent vaccine contains vaccines for h1n1 - swine flu, h3n2 - Hong Kong flu categorised as flu type A and contains 2 type B flu one being described as wild type.

Can find out all the different types of influenza viruses from the influenza research database.

Can even see where the sources of samples the virus came from and which strains the vaccines are based on.

The Colorado influenza type b vaccine was done from samples taken from a man aged 95 flu season 2016/2017 with dates and lineage of the sample with sequencing dates for the genetic identification of the virus.

Isn't it amazing what you can learn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The 68-69 Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 80,000 in the UK with a significanty smaller population than we have now. That virus is still around today

The flu vaccinations are included for Hong Kong flu - h3n2

Indeed it's still prevalent

Quadrivalent vaccine contains vaccines for h1n1 - swine flu, h3n2 - Hong Kong flu categorised as flu type A and contains 2 type B flu one being described as wild type.

Can find out all the different types of influenza viruses from the influenza research database.

Can even see where the sources of samples the virus came from and which strains the vaccines are based on.

The Colorado influenza type b vaccine was done from samples taken from a man aged 95 flu season 2016/2017 with dates and lineage of the sample with sequencing dates for the genetic identification of the virus.

Isn't it amazing what you can learn "

Absolutely

Just like the fact that smallpox hasn't been eradicated - simply cos there are two live samples in two labs apparently .

I do think those samples are being kept if, although presumably not expected, an outbreak occurs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Successful treatment ie successful antiviral is what we have to hope for. That's what the gay community is still looking for, how many year's have they been waiting?

Gay? Do you mean for HIV?

He cant help himself - he’s from Weston - they don’t believe straight people can get hiv there!

If he does mean HIV then he's wrong. Unless he thinks being gay is a virus There is no HIV vaccine as most people know, and I know gay is not a virus but anyone with an IQ above 5 knows it affects the gay community more.

Some people on here are assholes not sure if born that way or went to night school to perfect it. "

Oh dear....perhaps if you re-read your posts before you put them up, you might not have people taking the rise out of you....a thin skin gets burnt so easily

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There will definitely be a mandatory vaccine and digital certificate coming.

Mandatory? Go on elaborate, I'll bite. "

We've been told that normal life with mass gatherings cannot return until everyone is vaccinated.

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"The 68-69 Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 80,000 in the UK with a significanty smaller population than we have now. That virus is still around today

The flu vaccinations are included for Hong Kong flu - h3n2

Indeed it's still prevalent

Quadrivalent vaccine contains vaccines for h1n1 - swine flu, h3n2 - Hong Kong flu categorised as flu type A and contains 2 type B flu one being described as wild type.

Can find out all the different types of influenza viruses from the influenza research database.

Can even see where the sources of samples the virus came from and which strains the vaccines are based on.

The Colorado influenza type b vaccine was done from samples taken from a man aged 95 flu season 2016/2017 with dates and lineage of the sample with sequencing dates for the genetic identification of the virus.

Isn't it amazing what you can learn

Absolutely

Just like the fact that smallpox hasn't been eradicated - simply cos there are two live samples in two labs apparently .

I do think those samples are being kept if, although presumably not expected, an outbreak occurs. "

Oh god if only the world knew about every single pathogen they have in the vaults would scare the world. Every specimen taken is stored including the vaccine for it. Every year they switch out vaccine strains to one's they think are relevant and taking samples from people and using that single sample to create a new vaccine. They even have long gone specimens of every pathogen discovered. Especially with the ice caps melting dormant pathogens are now resurfacing.

They house some of the most lethal pathogens known to man because it's a safety net if an outbreak occurs they have references and even already produced vaccines and treatment waiting.

The database has the whos recommendations for flu vaccines going back to 1974. With each strain and where the strain sample was found and the vaccine to go with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The virus will eventually die out by itself just like the other ones have, it might just be a longer time with this one too.

And what scientist has come up with this piece of "news"? "
It is logical you dont need to quote the scientists all the time, tell me isnt the spanish flu gone?

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"There will definitely be a mandatory vaccine and digital certificate coming.

Mandatory? Go on elaborate, I'll bite.

We've been told that normal life with mass gatherings cannot return until everyone is vaccinated."

you keep saying until everyone is vaccinated i keep asking why are u so sure they will find one.they havent found one for sars and that been around about 20yrs now.covid is a sars virus so wgat makes u so sure they gona dind one for covid.oohhh there plan has shit out if there is ni vaccine eh

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"The virus will eventually die out by itself just like the other ones have, it might just be a longer time with this one too.

And what scientist has come up with this piece of "news"? It is logical you dont need to quote the scientists all the time, tell me isnt the spanish flu gone? "

Spanish flu practically killed itself out, those who gained immunity were left with devastating loss in the communities.

If it wasn't for the movement of troops the death toll of the virus would have been much smaller and contained.

Thankfully their ability to travel was quite restricted compared to now. If Spanish flu occur now I'd calculate the numbers would drastically kill most of the global population just by ease of transport alone. Very few people surviving that era have immunity to Spanish flu because they were never exposed. The flu was fast and highly contagious limiting spread it wasn't a smart virus it incapacitated it's victims quickly preventing any travel which would have been lengthy to any destination by that time they would have died. Troop movement was the sole reason it took 2 years to die out and the spread of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There will definitely be a mandatory vaccine and digital certificate coming.

Mandatory? Go on elaborate, I'll bite.

We've been told that normal life with mass gatherings cannot return until everyone is vaccinated."

Riiight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The 68-69 Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 80,000 in the UK with a significanty smaller population than we have now. That virus is still around today

The flu vaccinations are included for Hong Kong flu - h3n2

Indeed it's still prevalent

Quadrivalent vaccine contains vaccines for h1n1 - swine flu, h3n2 - Hong Kong flu categorised as flu type A and contains 2 type B flu one being described as wild type.

Can find out all the different types of influenza viruses from the influenza research database.

Can even see where the sources of samples the virus came from and which strains the vaccines are based on.

The Colorado influenza type b vaccine was done from samples taken from a man aged 95 flu season 2016/2017 with dates and lineage of the sample with sequencing dates for the genetic identification of the virus.

Isn't it amazing what you can learn

Absolutely

Just like the fact that smallpox hasn't been eradicated - simply cos there are two live samples in two labs apparently .

I do think those samples are being kept if, although presumably not expected, an outbreak occurs.

Oh god if only the world knew about every single pathogen they have in the vaults would scare the world. Every specimen taken is stored including the vaccine for it. Every year they switch out vaccine strains to one's they think are relevant and taking samples from people and using that single sample to create a new vaccine. They even have long gone specimens of every pathogen discovered. Especially with the ice caps melting dormant pathogens are now resurfacing.

They house some of the most lethal pathogens known to man because it's a safety net if an outbreak occurs they have references and even already produced vaccines and treatment waiting.

The database has the whos recommendations for flu vaccines going back to 1974. With each strain and where the strain sample was found and the vaccine to go with it."

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By *revaunanceCouple
over a year ago

Exeter


"The virus will eventually die out by itself just like the other ones have, it might just be a longer time with this one too.

And what scientist has come up with this piece of "news"? It is logical you dont need to quote the scientists all the time, tell me isnt the spanish flu gone? "

No, H1N1 is still around.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The virus will eventually die out by itself just like the other ones have, it might just be a longer time with this one too.

And what scientist has come up with this piece of "news"? It is logical you dont need to quote the scientists all the time, tell me isnt the spanish flu gone? "

Logical? What about all the viruses that haven't died out, like meningitis, encephalitis as examples.

As for Spanish flu, I've just read it died out due to people having died from it or survived it and became immune.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The virus will eventually die out by itself just like the other ones have, it might just be a longer time with this one too.

And what scientist has come up with this piece of "news"? It is logical you dont need to quote the scientists all the time, tell me isnt the spanish flu gone?

Spanish flu practically killed itself out, those who gained immunity were left with devastating loss in the communities.

If it wasn't for the movement of troops the death toll of the virus would have been much smaller and contained.

Thankfully their ability to travel was quite restricted compared to now. If Spanish flu occur now I'd calculate the numbers would drastically kill most of the global population just by ease of transport alone. Very few people surviving that era have immunity to Spanish flu because they were never exposed. The flu was fast and highly contagious limiting spread it wasn't a smart virus it incapacitated it's victims quickly preventing any travel which would have been lengthy to any destination by that time they would have died. Troop movement was the sole reason it took 2 years to die out and the spread of it."

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By *ockle77Man
over a year ago

mids

I’m sure Mr Gates will be kind enough to have a vaccine for us all for covid , just us though not him or his family.

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"The virus will eventually die out by itself just like the other ones have, it might just be a longer time with this one too.

And what scientist has come up with this piece of "news"? It is logical you dont need to quote the scientists all the time, tell me isnt the spanish flu gone?

No, H1N1 is still around."

Current h1n1 strain isn't the same strain. Viruses mutate producing different strains of the same virus. Just as there's several covid19 strains now. Which is why database of samples is crucial in keeping up with strains.

They produce vaccines on what they have currently showing the most prevalent. Spanish flu died out its mutations has not. Vaccine for a current h1n1 viral outbreak more than likely wouldn't have any success if you could go back in time and vaccinate everyone. This is the problem they have with vaccination for covid19 the mutations. Same virus different mutations changes everything = new strain same virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There will definitely be a mandatory vaccine and digital certificate coming.

Mandatory? Go on elaborate, I'll bite.

We've been told that normal life with mass gatherings cannot return until everyone is vaccinated.

Riiight "

Ok you don't believe me.

Listen to our most trusted and qualified vaccine expert, Bill Gates, "But for the world at large, normalcy only returns when we've largely vaccinated the entire global population."

That's an exact quote, look it up if you don't believe me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The virus will eventually die out by itself just like the other ones have, it might just be a longer time with this one too.

And what scientist has come up with this piece of "news"? It is logical you dont need to quote the scientists all the time, tell me isnt the spanish flu gone?

No, H1N1 is still around."

The 1918 influenza pandemic: Lessons for 2009 and the future

A very long academic read. Interestingly it has been hypothesised that the h1n1 Spanish flu originated in birds whereas the h1n1 in swine. The flu epidemics of the 50s and 60s are thought to come from the spanish flu.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There will definitely be a mandatory vaccine and digital certificate coming.

Mandatory? Go on elaborate, I'll bite.

We've been told that normal life with mass gatherings cannot return until everyone is vaccinated.

Riiight

Ok you don't believe me.

Listen to our most trusted and qualified vaccine expert, Bill Gates, "But for the world at large, normalcy only returns when we've largely vaccinated the entire global population."

That's an exact quote, look it up if you don't believe me.

"

Making a vaccine mandatory when one doesn't exist is a moot point.

Aaaaaaand, nothing in that quote suggests mandating a vaccine. It more likely implies a huge uptake.

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem

E.g. using h1n1 to date number of pure strains catalogued - 43080.

Not every strain discovered has a vaccine and not every strain needed a new vaccine created as a previous vaccine worked for the strain found.

So some vaccines may work, some need new vaccines, some there wasn't a vaccine available to prevent it because the strain was isolated but incase one is needed the strain sample is stored.

With covid19 knowing most of the coronaviruses don't have any potential for a vaccine due to mutations between the different coronaviruses and of the individual viruses and the rapid mutation of covid19 and the ability to produce strong antibodies makes it impossible, will have to see what future strains of covid19 show to aid a vaccine.

Canine coronavirus has a vaccine but that virus is completely different even though it is a coronavirus. It's as different as all the influenza types and strains are different to each other as this virus is different to all other coronaviruses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There will definitely be a mandatory vaccine and digital certificate coming.

Mandatory? Go on elaborate, I'll bite.

We've been told that normal life with mass gatherings cannot return until everyone is vaccinated.

Riiight

Ok you don't believe me.

Listen to our most trusted and qualified vaccine expert, Bill Gates, "But for the world at large, normalcy only returns when we've largely vaccinated the entire global population."

That's an exact quote, look it up if you don't believe me.

Making a vaccine mandatory when one doesn't exist is a moot point.

Aaaaaaand, nothing in that quote suggests mandating a vaccine. It more likely implies a huge uptake. "

Yes a very huge uptake, 7 billion + global population.

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By *ixenhixCouple
over a year ago

colchester


"Your all mad if you think Vaccines are the answer , try doing some research on VACCINES , , DONT BE A SHEEP !"

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By *ixenhixCouple
over a year ago

colchester


"E.g. using h1n1 to date number of pure strains catalogued - 43080.

Not every strain discovered has a vaccine and not every strain needed a new vaccine created as a previous vaccine worked for the strain found.

So some vaccines may work, some need new vaccines, some there wasn't a vaccine available to prevent it because the strain was isolated but incase one is needed the strain sample is stored.

With covid19 knowing most of the coronaviruses don't have any potential for a vaccine due to mutations between the different coronaviruses and of the individual viruses and the rapid mutation of covid19 and the ability to produce strong antibodies makes it impossible, will have to see what future strains of covid19 show to aid a vaccine.

Canine coronavirus has a vaccine but that virus is completely different even though it is a coronavirus. It's as different as all the influenza types and strains are different to each other as this virus is different to all other coronaviruses."

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London


"The 68-69 Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 80,000 in the UK with a significanty smaller population than we have now. That virus is still around today

The flu vaccinations are included for Hong Kong flu - h3n2

Indeed it's still prevalent

Quadrivalent vaccine contains vaccines for h1n1 - swine flu, h3n2 - Hong Kong flu categorised as flu type A and contains 2 type B flu one being described as wild type.

Can find out all the different types of influenza viruses from the influenza research database.

Can even see where the sources of samples the virus came from and which strains the vaccines are based on.

The Colorado influenza type b vaccine was done from samples taken from a man aged 95 flu season 2016/2017 with dates and lineage of the sample with sequencing dates for the genetic identification of the virus.

Isn't it amazing what you can learn "

And I must say you are a learned lady.

Thank you for your informative posts.

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By *ickyBird067Man
over a year ago

london

If you dont not have a vaccine you will not be able to go any where , shops transport, public places , with out your vaccine papers,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you dont not have a vaccine you will not be able to go any where , shops transport, public places , with out your vaccine papers,

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What vaccine ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you dont not have a vaccine you will not be able to go any where , shops transport, public places , with out your vaccine papers,

"

It won't be in paper form!

MWHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"If you dont not have a vaccine you will not be able to go any where , shops transport, public places , with out your vaccine papers,

"

you do realise they have to have a vaccine first to even think about making it mandatory and who has said u wont be able to go anywhere if you dont have it? cant see the goverment paying fir me to stay hone if i dint take it and will they delivee me food.or do you think there just gona let hundreds of thousands mabey nillions starve to death if they dont have a vaccine that at the momment dosent exist and mabey never will? im really intrested where you have found out all this info.if its true im guessing its something that they would be keeping very secret .or has david icke told you all this

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

If there is no vaccine then they will eventually have to accept that only the vulnerable need to isolate. The young and healthy can get back to life as normal since catching it is very unlikely to be a problem.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"There will definitely be a mandatory vaccine and digital certificate coming.

Mandatory? Go on elaborate, I'll bite.

We've been told that normal life with mass gatherings cannot return until everyone is vaccinated.

Riiight

Ok you don't believe me.

Listen to our most trusted and qualified vaccine expert, Bill Gates, "But for the world at large, normalcy only returns when we've largely vaccinated the entire global population."

That's an exact quote, look it up if you don't believe me.

"

ah bill gates said did he.a private individual who dosent run any countrys and last time i checked didnt rule the world.oh it must be true i didnt realise he could tell us all what to do and he must be obeyed.who knew eh

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"The 68-69 Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 80,000 in the UK with a significanty smaller population than we have now. That virus is still around today

The flu vaccinations are included for Hong Kong flu - h3n2

Indeed it's still prevalent

Quadrivalent vaccine contains vaccines for h1n1 - swine flu, h3n2 - Hong Kong flu categorised as flu type A and contains 2 type B flu one being described as wild type.

Can find out all the different types of influenza viruses from the influenza research database.

Can even see where the sources of samples the virus came from and which strains the vaccines are based on.

The Colorado influenza type b vaccine was done from samples taken from a man aged 95 flu season 2016/2017 with dates and lineage of the sample with sequencing dates for the genetic identification of the virus.

Isn't it amazing what you can learn

And I must say you are a learned lady.

Thank you for your informative posts. "

Thank you acknowledgement is much appreciated

2015 flu vaccine contained vaccines for 3 strains of h3n2. It was a 5 strain vaccine that year.

This year's is as I stated above

Influenza A sample taken Brisbane 2018 h1n1

A taken Kansas 2017 h3n2

B taken Colorado 2017

B taken phuket 2013 wild type. This one usually get every year.

Unless other strains show up in the coming months this is what multi vaccine goes in production for this coming flu season. Based on the who's recommendations.

Most people don't know much about the flu jab they get every year.

They just get it because they are told to.

Most don't even realise summer flu is the same viruses that come around in winter it's just not transmitted easily in summer. Basing their knowledge of what's currently spreading albeit minimally they can predict the majority for winter.

2018 had high cases of flu fatalities blamed ineffective vaccine. What it was was wrong strains vaccinated against. They got it wrong with their predictions. Then top that off end of summer the flu season started early before any vaccinations were given or even produced.

So a bad mortality rate for 2017/2018 winter and then rapid spread of flu before the 2018/2019 vaccinations.

I was one who caught it 7 weeks I was sick. Can tell you now I'd rather catch the flu after having the vaccine than before it. I've had flu several times in my life I thought they were bad with the vaccine now I shall be getting the vaccine every year without fail now. It doesn't stop you getting the virus it preps your body to survive the virus.

People still die with vaccines it isn't a magic cure. Any vaccinated against virus can overwhelm the body, vaccine just tries to prepare you for it.

It's a head start in a race thats all if you trip and fall that virus catches up and can overtake you. The best analogy I can give to explain a vaccine simply.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you dont not have a vaccine you will not be able to go any where , shops transport, public places , with out your vaccine papers,

you do realise they have to have a vaccine first to even think about making it mandatory and who has said u wont be able to go anywhere if you dont have it? cant see the goverment paying fir me to stay hone if i dint take it and will they delivee me food.or do you think there just gona let hundreds of thousands mabey nillions starve to death if they dont have a vaccine that at the momment dosent exist and mabey never will? im really intrested where you have found out all this info.if its true im guessing its something that they would be keeping very secret .or has david icke told you all this"

It's from the lips of our greatest vaccine expert, Bill Gates, "And which activities, like mass gatherings, may be — in a certain sense — more optional? Until you’re widely vaccinated, those may not come back at all.”

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"If you dont not have a vaccine you will not be able to go any where , shops transport, public places , with out your vaccine papers,

you do realise they have to have a vaccine first to even think about making it mandatory and who has said u wont be able to go anywhere if you dont have it? cant see the goverment paying fir me to stay hone if i dint take it and will they delivee me food.or do you think there just gona let hundreds of thousands mabey nillions starve to death if they dont have a vaccine that at the momment dosent exist and mabey never will? im really intrested where you have found out all this info.if its true im guessing its something that they would be keeping very secret .or has david icke told you all this

It's from the lips of our greatest vaccine expert, Bill Gates, "And which activities, like mass gatherings, may be — in a certain sense — more optional? Until you’re widely vaccinated, those may not come back at all.”

"

again i didnt kniw bill gates hqd the power to control world goverments and make vaccine mandatory.hiws he gina force people to take this vaccine that may never materialise.if i cant gi work or ships then i be a benefit scrounger and get weekly food parcels if i chose not to have this vaccine that dosent exist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There will definitely be a mandatory vaccine and digital certificate coming.

Mandatory? Go on elaborate, I'll bite.

We've been told that normal life with mass gatherings cannot return until everyone is vaccinated.

Riiight

Ok you don't believe me.

Listen to our most trusted and qualified vaccine expert, Bill Gates, "But for the world at large, normalcy only returns when we've largely vaccinated the entire global population."

That's an exact quote, look it up if you don't believe me.

ah bill gates said did he.a private individual who dosent run any countrys and last time i checked didnt rule the world.oh it must be true i didnt realise he could tell us all what to do and he must be obeyed.who knew eh"

He's not been voted in, it's more self appointed with no medical qualifications.

Money talks as they say.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

so explain to ne hiw bill gates can stop me using public transport or joing public gatherings if i chose not to have a vaccine that may never exist i didnt realise he was a lawmaker for every country on the planet.wow he has some power for a geek

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The government are going to have to make a very difficult choice between lockdown and getting the country running again economically (which is a choice I do not envy) but lockdown cannot continue for eternity otherwise the country will enter social disobediance and chaos"

Well put.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple


"Your all mad if you think Vaccines are the answer , try doing some research on VACCINES , , DONT BE A SHEEP !"

Definitely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even IF there was a viable vaccine, what about when the virus mutates, or becomes less effective to virus as vaccines can do?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Even IF there was a viable vaccine, what about when the virus mutates, or becomes less effective to virus as vaccines can do? "
It would be yearly.

But that is if there was ever one .

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By *Wman15Man
over a year ago

Altrincham

Interestingly (or not!) there is still no vaccine against SARS despite the mass panic in many countries when that epidemic hit

In fact there are still no antivirals approved for treating cases either

But SARS seems to have largely disappeared

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you dont not have a vaccine you will not be able to go any where , shops transport, public places , with out your vaccine papers,

What vaccine ?"

This invisible mandatory one of course. You are a silly Billy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The 68-69 Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 80,000 in the UK with a significanty smaller population than we have now. That virus is still around today

The flu vaccinations are included for Hong Kong flu - h3n2

Indeed it's still prevalent

Quadrivalent vaccine contains vaccines for h1n1 - swine flu, h3n2 - Hong Kong flu categorised as flu type A and contains 2 type B flu one being described as wild type.

Can find out all the different types of influenza viruses from the influenza research database.

Can even see where the sources of samples the virus came from and which strains the vaccines are based on.

The Colorado influenza type b vaccine was done from samples taken from a man aged 95 flu season 2016/2017 with dates and lineage of the sample with sequencing dates for the genetic identification of the virus.

Isn't it amazing what you can learn

And I must say you are a learned lady.

Thank you for your informative posts.

Thank you acknowledgement is much appreciated

2015 flu vaccine contained vaccines for 3 strains of h3n2. It was a 5 strain vaccine that year.

This year's is as I stated above

Influenza A sample taken Brisbane 2018 h1n1

A taken Kansas 2017 h3n2

B taken Colorado 2017

B taken phuket 2013 wild type. This one usually get every year.

Unless other strains show up in the coming months this is what multi vaccine goes in production for this coming flu season. Based on the who's recommendations.

Most people don't know much about the flu jab they get every year.

They just get it because they are told to.

Most don't even realise summer flu is the same viruses that come around in winter it's just not transmitted easily in summer. Basing their knowledge of what's currently spreading albeit minimally they can predict the majority for winter.

2018 had high cases of flu fatalities blamed ineffective vaccine. What it was was wrong strains vaccinated against. They got it wrong with their predictions. Then top that off end of summer the flu season started early before any vaccinations were given or even produced.

So a bad mortality rate for 2017/2018 winter and then rapid spread of flu before the 2018/2019 vaccinations.

I was one who caught it 7 weeks I was sick. Can tell you now I'd rather catch the flu after having the vaccine than before it. I've had flu several times in my life I thought they were bad with the vaccine now I shall be getting the vaccine every year without fail now. It doesn't stop you getting the virus it preps your body to survive the virus.

People still die with vaccines it isn't a magic cure. Any vaccinated against virus can overwhelm the body, vaccine just tries to prepare you for it.

It's a head start in a race thats all if you trip and fall that virus catches up and can overtake you. The best analogy I can give to explain a vaccine simply."

These are great and truly informative posts which as we all know is a rare thing on fab!

I too have been having the flu jab for the last five years and it has improved my quality of life enormously so all I can say to the flat earther anti vaccine posts are you are wrong headed fools

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

There is currently no vaccine available that will prevent HIV infection yet research has been going on since the 1980s and the hope is on may be developed by 2030.

Vaccines are not the only way to treat infections the earliest treatments will likely be antiviral drugs used to treat other conditions. It is possible that blood plasma from people who have recovered from COVID-19 could be effective. Immune suppressants could help in some cases as could many other treatments.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Your all mad if you think Vaccines are the answer , try doing some research on VACCINES , , DONT BE A SHEEP !

Definitely "

Please enlighten me. I am a stoopid sheep...

How did the world rid itself of smallpox?

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"

These are great and truly informative posts which as we all know is a rare thing on fab!

I too have been having the flu jab for the last five years and it has improved my quality of life enormously so all I can say to the flat earther anti vaccine posts are you are wrong headed fools "

Thank you, vaccines save so many people's lives. Without the vaccines millions of people's lives would be lost.

The first successful influenza vaccine was created about 1944, influenza was identified in 1933. Military were the first given the vaccine in 1945 and the public 1946. Before this they used live attenuated vaccines then inactivated vaccines even if they weren't as successful it was a building block to success.

No one wanted a repeat of Spanish flu but they didn't know what they were looking at at the time. It took them till the 1930s to know what they were looking at. Science in all its glory and we have modern science but somethings will take time for technology to be more advanced in order to solve the problems.

It took nearly 20 years for a successful vaccine against a flu virus. They didn't give up and now able to make thousands of different vaccines to treat the strains of flu.

It's entirely possible a breakthrough will provide the answer to covid19 vaccine it could happen this year or next, it may take 20 years, 50 years or even never to find one. Only time will tell. May have the right technology one day to crack the coronavirus code.

I will add I could have been one of these antivaxers, my child had the mmr, was perfectly normal babbling baby before having it. Had the mmr and suffered badly, fever that wouldn't subside for days even with calpol and other meds. My child never babbled after that, at a year and a half still no babbling. Started speech therapy, they checked to see if my child was deaf, hearing was perfectly fine. My child has issues like me with infections. I believe the mmr triggered an immune overreaction and it's entirely possible all those other children were the same. If I'd have known it would happen would I have let my child have the mmr, yes I would have and my child had every single immunization since. If the doctors would have listened when I told them the fever wouldn't come down if I'd have known id have been straight down a and e and refused to move till my child was out of danger.

Took my child to the age of 4 to talk even then was less than 10 words. Age 6 diagnosed autistic with ADHD. Do I blame the vaccine? No I don't. Did the vaccine trigger it? Yes. Whose to blame? The doctors who kept telling me to just keep giving calpol. If they could have treated at the time the damage wouldn't have been so severe, could have been a child like every other.

Before people wonder why I'd give my child vaccines even if I'd known the outcome, a living child is better outcome than a dead child.

So these antivaxers need to realise these vaccines protect their children from deadly diseases.

Measles death rate is 15% (measles pneumonia 28%)

Mumps death rate varies 1 to 5% and 25% of mumps cases suffer aseptic meningitis.

Rubella mortality is more unborn fetuses and causing birth defects. So even though mortality rates isn't prime reason for rubella vaccine the long term effects that inflict suffering and affect quality of life are. 20% of rubella infections in pregnant women the foetus dies.

Anyone who doesn't think a vaccine is worth the risk hasn't understood the risks the viruses have. What could be worse than dead?

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

I’m finding that sarcastic political opinions on the government we have is not really helping, the world is facing the biggest threat to civilisation known since WW2.

Boris is dealing with the cards he’s been given, they took advise from specialist science which has backfired, but!!!

Let’s not forget how many people in this country flaunted the lockdown over the first two weeks, attitudes towards this pandemic was in young and healthy, I am not worried, I’m still going to play football with my mates...

That attitude didn’t help, yes we’ve made mistakes, yes we weren’t as prepared as we would have liked.

Plus our leader nearly died, fucks sake give the man a break

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

These are great and truly informative posts which as we all know is a rare thing on fab!

I too have been having the flu jab for the last five years and it has improved my quality of life enormously so all I can say to the flat earther anti vaccine posts are you are wrong headed fools

Thank you, vaccines save so many people's lives. Without the vaccines millions of people's lives would be lost.

The first successful influenza vaccine was created about 1944, influenza was identified in 1933. Military were the first given the vaccine in 1945 and the public 1946. Before this they used live attenuated vaccines then inactivated vaccines even if they weren't as successful it was a building block to success.

No one wanted a repeat of Spanish flu but they didn't know what they were looking at at the time. It took them till the 1930s to know what they were looking at. Science in all its glory and we have modern science but somethings will take time for technology to be more advanced in order to solve the problems.

It took nearly 20 years for a successful vaccine against a flu virus. They didn't give up and now able to make thousands of different vaccines to treat the strains of flu.

It's entirely possible a breakthrough will provide the answer to covid19 vaccine it could happen this year or next, it may take 20 years, 50 years or even never to find one. Only time will tell. May have the right technology one day to crack the coronavirus code.

I will add I could have been one of these antivaxers, my child had the mmr, was perfectly normal babbling baby before having it. Had the mmr and suffered badly, fever that wouldn't subside for days even with calpol and other meds. My child never babbled after that, at a year and a half still no babbling. Started speech therapy, they checked to see if my child was deaf, hearing was perfectly fine. My child has issues like me with infections. I believe the mmr triggered an immune overreaction and it's entirely possible all those other children were the same. If I'd have known it would happen would I have let my child have the mmr, yes I would have and my child had every single immunization since. If the doctors would have listened when I told them the fever wouldn't come down if I'd have known id have been straight down a and e and refused to move till my child was out of danger.

Took my child to the age of 4 to talk even then was less than 10 words. Age 6 diagnosed autistic with ADHD. Do I blame the vaccine? No I don't. Did the vaccine trigger it? Yes. Whose to blame? The doctors who kept telling me to just keep giving calpol. If they could have treated at the time the damage wouldn't have been so severe, could have been a child like every other.

Before people wonder why I'd give my child vaccines even if I'd known the outcome, a living child is better outcome than a dead child.

So these antivaxers need to realise these vaccines protect their children from deadly diseases.

Measles death rate is 15% (measles pneumonia 28%)

Mumps death rate varies 1 to 5% and 25% of mumps cases suffer aseptic meningitis.

Rubella mortality is more unborn fetuses and causing birth defects. So even though mortality rates isn't prime reason for rubella vaccine the long term effects that inflict suffering and affect quality of life are. 20% of rubella infections in pregnant women the foetus dies.

Anyone who doesn't think a vaccine is worth the risk hasn't understood the risks the viruses have. What could be worse than dead?

"

Thanks for your enlightening post today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

These are great and truly informative posts which as we all know is a rare thing on fab!

I too have been having the flu jab for the last five years and it has improved my quality of life enormously so all I can say to the flat earther anti vaccine posts are you are wrong headed fools

Thank you, vaccines save so many people's lives. Without the vaccines millions of people's lives would be lost.

The first successful influenza vaccine was created about 1944, influenza was identified in 1933. Military were the first given the vaccine in 1945 and the public 1946. Before this they used live attenuated vaccines then inactivated vaccines even if they weren't as successful it was a building block to success.

No one wanted a repeat of Spanish flu but they didn't know what they were looking at at the time. It took them till the 1930s to know what they were looking at. Science in all its glory and we have modern science but somethings will take time for technology to be more advanced in order to solve the problems.

It took nearly 20 years for a successful vaccine against a flu virus. They didn't give up and now able to make thousands of different vaccines to treat the strains of flu.

It's entirely possible a breakthrough will provide the answer to covid19 vaccine it could happen this year or next, it may take 20 years, 50 years or even never to find one. Only time will tell. May have the right technology one day to crack the coronavirus code.

I will add I could have been one of these antivaxers, my child had the mmr, was perfectly normal babbling baby before having it. Had the mmr and suffered badly, fever that wouldn't subside for days even with calpol and other meds. My child never babbled after that, at a year and a half still no babbling. Started speech therapy, they checked to see if my child was deaf, hearing was perfectly fine. My child has issues like me with infections. I believe the mmr triggered an immune overreaction and it's entirely possible all those other children were the same. If I'd have known it would happen would I have let my child have the mmr, yes I would have and my child had every single immunization since. If the doctors would have listened when I told them the fever wouldn't come down if I'd have known id have been straight down a and e and refused to move till my child was out of danger.

Took my child to the age of 4 to talk even then was less than 10 words. Age 6 diagnosed autistic with ADHD. Do I blame the vaccine? No I don't. Did the vaccine trigger it? Yes. Whose to blame? The doctors who kept telling me to just keep giving calpol. If they could have treated at the time the damage wouldn't have been so severe, could have been a child like every other.

Before people wonder why I'd give my child vaccines even if I'd known the outcome, a living child is better outcome than a dead child.

So these antivaxers need to realise these vaccines protect their children from deadly diseases.

Measles death rate is 15% (measles pneumonia 28%)

Mumps death rate varies 1 to 5% and 25% of mumps cases suffer aseptic meningitis.

Rubella mortality is more unborn fetuses and causing birth defects. So even though mortality rates isn't prime reason for rubella vaccine the long term effects that inflict suffering and affect quality of life are. 20% of rubella infections in pregnant women the foetus dies.

Anyone who doesn't think a vaccine is worth the risk hasn't understood the risks the viruses have. What could be worse than dead?

"

Being married to Donald Trump?

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"

Thanks for your enlightening post today."

Thank you and you're welcome.

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"

Being married to Donald Trump?"

Inoculation against Trump is brewing will see next election if it's successful, all this toxic stupidity he spouts is an immunization in itself. People waking up to how profoundly inept he is. That's if he doesn't kill them off with stupidity, bleach IV, Borax inhalers anyone? Gotta disinfect out that covid19 trump says so.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights


"I’m finding that sarcastic political opinions on the government we have is not really helping, the world is facing the biggest threat to civilisation known since WW2.

Boris is dealing with the cards he’s been given, they took advise from specialist science which has backfired, but!!!

Let’s not forget how many people in this country flaunted the lockdown over the first two weeks, attitudes towards this pandemic was in young and healthy, I am not worried, I’m still going to play football with my mates...

That attitude didn’t help, yes we’ve made mistakes, yes we weren’t as prepared as we would have liked.

Plus our leader nearly died, fucks sake give the man a break"

I agree, all this Boris Bashing is boring, it doesn't matter who is PM they would get the same negative treatment on here. Every country has made mistakes because we are all learning how to live/deal with covid-19, people are dying whether countries are in or out of lockdown but the theatre news is unfortunately addictive

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"There will be one but if you knew what goes into it you wouldnt want it anyway. Would you want you and your kids microchipped and mercury and other deadly toxins in your body's. The truth about vaccines would make you think again"

Yes, we didn't need them in the old days when we had smallpox to out the weak. Don't want all that shit in me. Anyway, I'm off for a kebab and a beer.

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By *etasubTV/TS
over a year ago

West London


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......"

Better Boris than hindsight SIR K Starmer, a lawyer who has wonderful hindsight, why did he not raise questions about care home deaths in March, oh he did not have hindsight. Lawyers love confrontation and don't solve problems, with thei wonderful legal training they can argue for a guilty person to be innocent

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......

Better Boris than hindsight SIR K Starmer, a lawyer who has wonderful hindsight, why did he not raise questions about care home deaths in March, oh he did not have hindsight. Lawyers love confrontation and don't solve problems, with thei wonderful legal training they can argue for a guilty person to be innocent"

Are you for real? The government sends a shitload of infected elderly back to care homes to wipe out their friends and you think it's the fault of somebody else because he didn't think to stop them?

I'm going to rob my post office tomorrow but you're getting arrested, not me because you should have seen it coming.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......

Better Boris than hindsight SIR K Starmer, a lawyer who has wonderful hindsight, why did he not raise questions about care home deaths in March, oh he did not have hindsight. Lawyers love confrontation and don't solve problems, with thei wonderful legal training they can argue for a guilty person to be innocent"

Actually what lawyers do is spot bullshit and make a good job of exposing lies for what they are. In short Boris's worst nightmare.

There's an old addage that a good lawyer doesn't ask a question that he or she doesn't already know the answer to. Boris is now caught between the two horrible choices of admitting to the awful truth or telling what will now be made into an obvious lie.

Boris is less like a PM and more like a guilty criminal on the stand.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......

Better Boris than hindsight SIR K Starmer, a lawyer who has wonderful hindsight, why did he not raise questions about care home deaths in March, oh he did not have hindsight. Lawyers love confrontation and don't solve problems, with thei wonderful legal training they can argue for a guilty person to be innocent

Are you for real? The government sends a shitload of infected elderly back to care homes to wipe out their friends and you think it's the fault of somebody else because he didn't think to stop them?

I'm going to rob my post office tomorrow but you're getting arrested, not me because you should have seen it coming. "

Actually people were getting sent to the mrs carehome from the nhs who had never stayed there before.

3 from the nhs wiped out another 18 in the home so 21 In total.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......

Better Boris than hindsight SIR K Starmer, a lawyer who has wonderful hindsight, why did he not raise questions about care home deaths in March, oh he did not have hindsight. Lawyers love confrontation and don't solve problems, with thei wonderful legal training they can argue for a guilty person to be innocent

Are you for real? The government sends a shitload of infected elderly back to care homes to wipe out their friends and you think it's the fault of somebody else because he didn't think to stop them?

I'm going to rob my post office tomorrow but you're getting arrested, not me because you should have seen it coming.

Actually people were getting sent to the mrs carehome from the nhs who had never stayed there before.

3 from the nhs wiped out another 18 in the home so 21 In total."
And _etasub would blame Starmer for that, not Johnson or the minister responsible Hancock.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......

Better Boris than hindsight SIR K Starmer, a lawyer who has wonderful hindsight, why did he not raise questions about care home deaths in March, oh he did not have hindsight. Lawyers love confrontation and don't solve problems, with thei wonderful legal training they can argue for a guilty person to be innocent

Are you for real? The government sends a shitload of infected elderly back to care homes to wipe out their friends and you think it's the fault of somebody else because he didn't think to stop them?

I'm going to rob my post office tomorrow but you're getting arrested, not me because you should have seen it coming.

Actually people were getting sent to the mrs carehome from the nhs who had never stayed there before.

3 from the nhs wiped out another 18 in the home so 21 In total.And _etasub would blame Starmer for that, not Johnson or the minister responsible Hancock. "

To be honest that particular care home blame who it was who signed them off to the home while insisting they were clear of covid.

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By *etasubTV/TS
over a year ago

West London


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......

Better Boris than hindsight SIR K Starmer, a lawyer who has wonderful hindsight, why did he not raise questions about care home deaths in March, oh he did not have hindsight. Lawyers love confrontation and don't solve problems, with thei wonderful legal training they can argue for a guilty person to be innocent

Are you for real? The government sends a shitload of infected elderly back to care homes to wipe out their friends and you think it's the fault of somebody else because he didn't think to stop them?

I'm going to rob my post office tomorrow but you're getting arrested, not me because you should have seen it coming.

Actually people were getting sent to the mrs carehome from the nhs who had never stayed there before.

3 from the nhs wiped out another 18 in the home so 21 In total.And _etasub would blame Starmer for that, not Johnson or the minister responsible Hancock. "

As previously hindsight is wonderful.

Lawyer Starmer does not cum up with solutions. He was screaming for the exit strategy so once it was revealed he could say oh that is wrong and know he was not responsible

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By *etasubTV/TS
over a year ago

West London


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......

Better Boris than hindsight SIR K Starmer, a lawyer who has wonderful hindsight, why did he not raise questions about care home deaths in March, oh he did not have hindsight. Lawyers love confrontation and don't solve problems, with thei wonderful legal training they can argue for a guilty person to be innocent

Are you for real? The government sends a shitload of infected elderly back to care homes to wipe out their friends and you think it's the fault of somebody else because he didn't think to stop them?

I'm going to rob my post office tomorrow but you're getting arrested, not me because you should have seen it coming.

Actually people were getting sent to the mrs carehome from the nhs who had never stayed there before.

3 from the nhs wiped out another 18 in the home so 21 In total.And _etasub would blame Starmer for that, not Johnson or the minister responsible Hancock.

To be honest that particular care home blame who it was who signed them off to the home while insisting they were clear of covid."

Was it someone in the NHS, oh sorry Not NHS managers paid £150000+++ a year it is the government's . If that is the case get rid of NHS managers as they are not responsible for anything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......

Better Boris than hindsight SIR K Starmer, a lawyer who has wonderful hindsight, why did he not raise questions about care home deaths in March, oh he did not have hindsight. Lawyers love confrontation and don't solve problems, with thei wonderful legal training they can argue for a guilty person to be innocent"

He wasn't the leader of the opposition in March.

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By *etasubTV/TS
over a year ago

West London


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......

Better Boris than hindsight SIR K Starmer, a lawyer who has wonderful hindsight, why did he not raise questions about care home deaths in March, oh he did not have hindsight. Lawyers love confrontation and don't solve problems, with thei wonderful legal training they can argue for a guilty person to be innocent

He wasn't the leader of the opposition in March. "

So only Jeremy Corbyn could question the pm?????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes but at least they can use the English language as it’s intended.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"

As previously hindsight is wonderful.

Lawyer Starmer does not cum up with solutions. He was screaming for the exit strategy so once it was revealed he could say oh that is wrong and know he was not responsible"

I'll be having some fun with you on the forum

Hindsight is irrelevant. The government sent a fuckload of infections back to care homes and now they have killed about 20,000 as a direct result. It's not Keir Starmer's job to prevent genocide. It is his job to demand answers when the PM's incompetence/indifference (choose your own) turns into mass slaughter.

Go on, defend him. I dare you. But do it with facts, not "he's doing his best".

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By *dd269Man
over a year ago

Clee

BJ got the message from WHO's Chief Scientist, Soumya Swaminathan, who said "it will be four or five years before Covid-19 is under control".

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over a year ago


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......

Better Boris than hindsight SIR K Starmer, a lawyer who has wonderful hindsight, why did he not raise questions about care home deaths in March, oh he did not have hindsight. Lawyers love confrontation and don't solve problems, with thei wonderful legal training they can argue for a guilty person to be innocent

Are you for real? The government sends a shitload of infected elderly back to care homes to wipe out their friends and you think it's the fault of somebody else because he didn't think to stop them?

I'm going to rob my post office tomorrow but you're getting arrested, not me because you should have seen it coming.

Actually people were getting sent to the mrs carehome from the nhs who had never stayed there before.

3 from the nhs wiped out another 18 in the home so 21 In total.And _etasub would blame Starmer for that, not Johnson or the minister responsible Hancock.

As previously hindsight is wonderful.

Lawyer Starmer does not cum up with solutions. He was screaming for the exit strategy so once it was revealed he could say oh that is wrong and know he was not responsible"

Are you saying that no poor decision can be criticised because any such criticism is hindsight?

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over a year ago


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......

Better Boris than hindsight SIR K Starmer, a lawyer who has wonderful hindsight, why did he not raise questions about care home deaths in March, oh he did not have hindsight. Lawyers love confrontation and don't solve problems, with thei wonderful legal training they can argue for a guilty person to be innocent

He wasn't the leader of the opposition in March.

So only Jeremy Corbyn could question the pm?????"

Wasn't parliament in recess?

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over a year ago


"

As previously hindsight is wonderful.

Lawyer Starmer does not cum up with solutions. He was screaming for the exit strategy so once it was revealed he could say oh that is wrong and know he was not responsible

I'll be having some fun with you on the forum

Hindsight is irrelevant. The government sent a fuckload of infections back to care homes and now they have killed about 20,000 as a direct result. It's not Keir Starmer's job to prevent genocide. It is his job to demand answers when the PM's incompetence/indifference (choose your own) turns into mass slaughter.

Go on, defend him. I dare you. But do it with facts, not "he's doing his best". "

"Losers alway whine about doing their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen" - Sean Connery - The Rock

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By *etasubTV/TS
over a year ago

West London


"

As previously hindsight is wonderful.

Lawyer Starmer does not cum up with solutions. He was screaming for the exit strategy so once it was revealed he could say oh that is wrong and know he was not responsible

I'll be having some fun with you on the forum

Hindsight is irrelevant. The government sent a fuckload of infections back to care homes and now they have killed about 20,000 as a direct result. It's not Keir Starmer's job to prevent genocide. It is his job to demand answers when the PM's incompetence/indifference (choose your own) turns into mass slaughter.

Go on, defend him. I dare you. But do it with facts, not "he's doing his best". "

You should be pm as u know all the answers, fortunately you are not, just another labour troll

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"

Wasn't parliament in recess? "

Probably. Proroguation, recession, holiday, time off to fix domestic problems, getting ill by shaking hands with covid patients, anything to get out of scrutiny really. I'll mention Andrew Neill and fridges in the future.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"

Go on, defend him. I dare you. But do it with facts, not "he's doing his best".

You should be pm as u know all the answers, fortunately you are not, just another labour troll"

I voted Green actually. Anyway, back to the subject. Do you have any facts to support your defence of him?

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By *etasubTV/TS
over a year ago

West London


"Yes but at least they can use the English language as it’s intended. "
oh well that will solve the problem

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By *etasubTV/TS
over a year ago

West London


"

Go on, defend him. I dare you. But do it with facts, not "he's doing his best".

You should be pm as u know all the answers, fortunately you are not, just another labour troll

I voted Green actually. Anyway, back to the subject. Do you have any facts to support your defence of him? "

So you are a green troll. Nothing that the conservatives do will be right

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"

Go on, defend him. I dare you. But do it with facts, not "he's doing his best".

You should be pm as u know all the answers, fortunately you are not, just another labour troll

I voted Green actually. Anyway, back to the subject. Do you have any facts to support your defence of him?

So you are a green troll. Nothing that the conservatives do will be right "

It was a waste of a vote as I live in a safe Labour seat. That's irrelevant though. I asked for a defence of Johnson. Do you have any? There must be a reason why you support him.

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By *etasubTV/TS
over a year ago

West London


"Apparently, Mr Johnson has stayed today that there may never be a vaccine for this virus or it will be a long time in coming and therefore restrictions will be in force for the long haul.

We could be heading for a dictatorship style government if we are not careful, imagine no vaccine for over the next five years, then no general election could take place and he stays in power......

Better Boris than hindsight SIR K Starmer, a lawyer who has wonderful hindsight, why did he not raise questions about care home deaths in March, oh he did not have hindsight. Lawyers love confrontation and don't solve problems, with thei wonderful legal training they can argue for a guilty person to be innocent

He wasn't the leader of the opposition in March.

So only Jeremy Corbyn could question the pm?????

Wasn't parliament in recess? "

I cannot reply with legal accuracy, but if it was he could have written to him as he did today unless if stopped him

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over a year ago


"

Go on, defend him. I dare you. But do it with facts, not "he's doing his best".

You should be pm as u know all the answers, fortunately you are not, just another labour troll

I voted Green actually. Anyway, back to the subject. Do you have any facts to support your defence of him?

So you are a green troll. Nothing that the conservatives do will be right "

So no facts. Just name calling? Very mature.

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By *etasubTV/TS
over a year ago

West London


"

Go on, defend him. I dare you. But do it with facts, not "he's doing his best".

You should be pm as u know all the answers, fortunately you are not, just another labour troll

I voted Green actually. Anyway, back to the subject. Do you have any facts to support your defence of him?

So you are a green troll. Nothing that the conservatives do will be right

It was a waste of a vote as I live in a safe Labour seat. That's irrelevant though. I asked for a defence of Johnson. Do you have any? There must be a reason why you support him. "

No safe labours seats after the last election. In case you don't understand the conservatives won the last election, Boris was the leader and is now pm. Labour under JC worst result since 1935(I think)greens have at least one mp, so why not support an elected representative or do you prefer the Chinese or russian democracy, if you object we will silence you.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"

Go on, defend him. I dare you. But do it with facts, not "he's doing his best".

You should be pm as u know all the answers, fortunately you are not, just another labour troll

I voted Green actually. Anyway, back to the subject. Do you have any facts to support your defence of him?

So you are a green troll. Nothing that the conservatives do will be right

It was a waste of a vote as I live in a safe Labour seat. That's irrelevant though. I asked for a defence of Johnson. Do you have any? There must be a reason why you support him.

No safe labours seats after the last election. In case you don't understand the conservatives won the last election, Boris was the leader and is now pm. Labour under JC worst result since 1935(I think)greens have at least one mp, so why not support an elected representative or do you prefer the Chinese or russian democracy, if you object we will silence you."

You're struggling with this facts thing aren't you?

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By *etasubTV/TS
over a year ago

West London


"

Wasn't parliament in recess?

Probably. Proroguation, recession, holiday, time off to fix domestic problems, getting ill by shaking hands with covid patients, anything to get out of scrutiny really. I'll mention Andrew Neill and fridges in the future. "

Good reply I googled and could not find out but no doubt the answer is on google

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By *etasubTV/TS
over a year ago

West London


"

Go on, defend him. I dare you. But do it with facts, not "he's doing his best".

You should be pm as u know all the answers, fortunately you are not, just another labour troll

I voted Green actually. Anyway, back to the subject. Do you have any facts to support your defence of him?

So you are a green troll. Nothing that the conservatives do will be right

It was a waste of a vote as I live in a safe Labour seat. That's irrelevant though. I asked for a defence of Johnson. Do you have any? There must be a reason why you support him.

No safe labours seats after the last election. In case you don't understand the conservatives won the last election, Boris was the leader and is now pm. Labour under JC worst result since 1935(I think)greens have at least one mp, so why not support an elected representative or do you prefer the Chinese or russian democracy, if you object we will silence you.

You're struggling with this facts thing aren't you? "

Not at all I am not on the looney left

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

And as a sensible post, I voted Green because although I knew I would have a Labour MP whatever I did, I thought Green was the moral choice. The person this post is directed at won't understand the word moral though.

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over a year ago


"

Wasn't parliament in recess?

Probably. Proroguation, recession, holiday, time off to fix domestic problems, getting ill by shaking hands with covid patients, anything to get out of scrutiny really. I'll mention Andrew Neill and fridges in the future.

Good reply I googled and could not find out but no doubt the answer is on google"

FFS there was a lady in this thread today who was really informative about vaccines and as usual its turned into politics shite .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Go on, defend him. I dare you. But do it with facts, not "he's doing his best".

You should be pm as u know all the answers, fortunately you are not, just another labour troll

I voted Green actually. Anyway, back to the subject. Do you have any facts to support your defence of him?

So you are a green troll. Nothing that the conservatives do will be right

It was a waste of a vote as I live in a safe Labour seat. That's irrelevant though. I asked for a defence of Johnson. Do you have any? There must be a reason why you support him.

No safe labours seats after the last election. In case you don't understand the conservatives won the last election, Boris was the leader and is now pm. Labour under JC worst result since 1935(I think)greens have at least one mp, so why not support an elected representative or do you prefer the Chinese or russian democracy, if you object we will silence you.

You're struggling with this facts thing aren't you?

Not at all I am not on the looney left"

Ok then since you aren't on the looney left let's hear your well constructed eloquently stated answer to the question that has been posed to you.

Very clearly you are on the right because you have failed to exhibit the ability to answer a straightforward question. Perhaps it is you who should be PM

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"

Go on, defend him. I dare you. But do it with facts, not "he's doing his best".

You should be pm as u know all the answers, fortunately you are not, just another labour troll

I voted Green actually. Anyway, back to the subject. Do you have any facts to support your defence of him?

So you are a green troll. Nothing that the conservatives do will be right

It was a waste of a vote as I live in a safe Labour seat. That's irrelevant though. I asked for a defence of Johnson. Do you have any? There must be a reason why you support him.

No safe labours seats after the last election. In case you don't understand the conservatives won the last election, Boris was the leader and is now pm. Labour under JC worst result since 1935(I think)greens have at least one mp, so why not support an elected representative or do you prefer the Chinese or russian democracy, if you object we will silence you.

You're struggling with this facts thing aren't you?

Not at all I am not on the looney left"

No, you're on the racist right (don't get shitty everyone else, I'm just responding to this one's name calling)

You clearly can't say why you vote the way you do. If you prefer to support a man who has been sacked several times for lying, has an unknown number of children with an unknown number of women, has form for racist, misogynistic, homophobic language, has overseen 50k+ deaths, lied to parliament today. If you support him that's your choice, but it's my choice to judge you accordingly.

There's plenty of evidence to support my views. I'm asking you to back up your own views but it appears that you can't.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"

FFS there was a lady in this thread today who was really informative about vaccines and as usual its turned into politics shite ."

Apologies, that's my fault. I took the piss out of an anti vaxxer and then this loon jumped on it.

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By *etasubTV/TS
over a year ago

West London


"

Go on, defend him. I dare you. But do it with facts, not "he's doing his best".

You should be pm as u know all the answers, fortunately you are not, just another labour troll

I voted Green actually. Anyway, back to the subject. Do you have any facts to support your defence of him?

So you are a green troll. Nothing that the conservatives do will be right

It was a waste of a vote as I live in a safe Labour seat. That's irrelevant though. I asked for a defence of Johnson. Do you have any? There must be a reason why you support him.

No safe labours seats after the last election. In case you don't understand the conservatives won the last election, Boris was the leader and is now pm. Labour under JC worst result since 1935(I think)greens have at least one mp, so why not support an elected representative or do you prefer the Chinese or russian democracy, if you object we will silence you.

You're struggling with this facts thing aren't you?

Not at all I am not on the looney left

No, you're on the racist right (don't get shitty everyone else, I'm just responding to this one's name calling)

You clearly can't say why you vote the way you do. If you prefer to support a man who has been sacked several times for lying, has an unknown number of children with an unknown number of women, has form for racist, misogynistic, homophobic language, has overseen 50k+ deaths, lied to parliament today. If you support him that's your choice, but it's my choice to judge you accordingly.

There's plenty of evidence to support my views. I'm asking you to back up your own views but it appears that you can't. "
I judge you as on the looney left that is my choice. As previously the conservatives were elected into government after a British election, I support conservatism although maybe not allowed on fabswingers

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

No facts then?

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By *etasubTV/TS
over a year ago

West London


"No facts then? "

No matter what is said nothing is a fact unless it supports your weird viewpoint

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over a year ago

You wanted an answer as whether some of us have a problem with the concept of what a fact is.

There can be no doubt.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"No facts then?

No matter what is said nothing is a fact unless it supports your weird viewpoint "

Just give me something. One thing that makes me understand why you support him. I've given you plenty of contrary evidence, give me something in return.

I genuinely want to know what it is. I see nothing but lies and bullshit but it clearly gets through to some people. Maybe I'm missing something.

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over a year ago

There is also a theory that the plethora of vaccines they gave the troops caused Spanish Flu. WW1 ended much quicker than anticipated so they had loads leftover and decided to "immunise" the general population. Also, people suffered huge emotional and physical stress due to the war, this showed itself as disease in the following years.

The above wasn't proved. What was proved at the time by experiments was that by putting sick people with healthy ones, they couldn't make the healthy ones sick. I.e. they never understood how Spanish Flu infected people as they couldn't induce the infection.

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By *etasubTV/TS
over a year ago

West London


"No facts then?

No matter what is said nothing is a fact unless it supports your weird viewpoint

Just give me something. One thing that makes me understand why you support him. I've given you plenty of contrary evidence, give me something in return.

I genuinely want to know what it is. I see nothing but lies and bullshit but it clearly gets through to some people. Maybe I'm missing something. "

We are from different ends of the spectrum, on your profile you say you believe in bareback (you like spreading Sti's) I believe in safe sex and not spreading disease and covid19

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over a year ago


"There is also a theory that the plethora of vaccines they gave the troops caused Spanish Flu. WW1 ended much quicker than anticipated so they had loads leftover and decided to "immunise" the general population. Also, people suffered huge emotional and physical stress due to the war, this showed itself as disease in the following years.

The above wasn't proved. What was proved at the time by experiments was that by putting sick people with healthy ones, they couldn't make the healthy ones sick. I.e. they never understood how Spanish Flu infected people as they couldn't induce the infection."

How do you explain the fact that cities who enforced quarantine had a completely different curve to those that didn't?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No facts then?

No matter what is said nothing is a fact unless it supports your weird viewpoint

Just give me something. One thing that makes me understand why you support him. I've given you plenty of contrary evidence, give me something in return.

I genuinely want to know what it is. I see nothing but lies and bullshit but it clearly gets through to some people. Maybe I'm missing something.

We are from different ends of the spectrum, on your profile you say you believe in bareback (you like spreading Sti's) I believe in safe sex and not spreading disease and covid19"

There is your answer. People vote Tory because they believe in safe sex. (Although that's clearly not Boris or he would know how many children he has).

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over a year ago


"The government are going to have to make a very difficult choice between lockdown and getting the country running again economically (which is a choice I do not envy) but lockdown cannot continue for eternity otherwise the country will enter social disobediance and chaos"

Social distancing will prevent anti-Tory demos and riots!

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

You've got nothing have you? You're on the fairground ride, you've been on it too long and it's going too fast for you to get off.

Johnson is willingly culling the weak. You can see it too but you're too far in to say it now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you have examples of those contrasting cities? Will see if I can find any theories

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

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"Do you have examples of those contrasting cities? Will see if I can find any theories"
I assume he means countries.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

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Anyway, does anyone have any updates on vaccines?

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over a year ago

If he means different countries, that can be quite easy to theorise, harder to prove. Theories would include local environmental conditions, dietry differences, health care system, care home usage and sizes

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over a year ago


"Do you have examples of those contrasting cities? Will see if I can find any theories"

https://www.capitalfm.com/news/tv-film/netflix/coronavirus-explained-tv-show-documentary/

"The extent of lockdown’s effectiveness was proven during the 1918 flu.

St Louis in the US shut its schools and public places quickly to cope with the outbreak while Philadelphia did not and allowed a parade involving thousands to go ahead.

St Louis managed to “flatten their curve” and saw a lower number of deaths over a longer period while Philadelphia saw a spike of deaths in hundreds of thousands of people.

When St Louis lifted their restrictions, the death rate jumped again and lockdown was immediately implemented again."

Watch Coronavirus Explained on Netflix. They show the curves.

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over a year ago


"Do you have examples of those contrasting cities? Will see if I can find any theoriesI assume he means countries. "

St Louis and Philadelphia.

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https://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/history/2020/03/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus

What is also damning about these curves is that the handling of pandemics is not "unprecedented" and politicians did not need a crystal ball to know what course of action to take. They just needed to spend 5 minutes on Google.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-how-st-louis-vs-philadelphia-treated-1918-flu-pandemic-2020-4

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over a year ago

First thing - very large military population in Philly. 2nd they blamed a large parade for spreading it but hospitals were full 3 days after parade. Incredibly fast infection rate???

Also, seems like St Louis got hit harder by 3rd wave.

Don't know the social, environmental and economic differences between the cities especially at that time. Any Covid examples of city to city differences?

Interestingly, it appears San Francisco proved face masks we're a waste of time by relying on them and paying the price.

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By *r8t_WhiteMan
over a year ago

Torquay

Ridiculous to blame planning failures at this time.

It's a risk that hasn't occurred in over a hundred years.

Hindsight makes us all geniuses. Lol.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham


"Ridiculous to blame planning failures at this time.

It's a risk that hasn't occurred in over a hundred years.

Hindsight makes us all geniuses. Lol. "

And yet plenty have warned it was coming. The govt ran a simulation in 2016 which highlights exactly the issues we've had. There can be no excuse for the lack of stockpiled PPE, they had fair warning.

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over a year ago


"First thing - very large military population in Philly. 2nd they blamed a large parade for spreading it but hospitals were full 3 days after parade. Incredibly fast infection rate???

Also, seems like St Louis got hit harder by 3rd wave.

Don't know the social, environmental and economic differences between the cities especially at that time. Any Covid examples of city to city differences?

Interestingly, it appears San Francisco proved face masks we're a waste of time by relying on them and paying the price.

"

What I find interesting is that St Louis flattened the curve. Relaxed quarantine only to have a spike. They reintroduced the quarantine which once again flattened the curve.

So unless those people went out and got the soldier vaccine during the relaxation of quarantine period it indicates that it was contagious. Also 50 to 100 million people died from this pandemic meaning that just about everyone got it. I imagine that this might be a good reason why they could not replicate transmission. Any one who could have got it already had it. But don't know enough about it.

I do know that soldiers on both sides suffered from the pandemic so unless they had a common vaccine provider it doesn't really make much sense. Sounds more like an anti vac excuse to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ridiculous to blame planning failures at this time.

It's a risk that hasn't occurred in over a hundred years.

Hindsight makes us all geniuses. Lol. "

Actually there was a documentary on Netflix called "Pandemic" that claimed that a pandemic like this was not a case of "if" but "when". So this is not a case of hindsight.

This is a case of experts in their fields of epidemiologists being ignored because budget cuts were more important. Politicians took a gamble with the world's health and it cost us. There are no excuses.

President Trump shut down a pandemic early warning system in September last year because it cost $200 million dollars a year to maintain. I consider that the worst and most expensive poor decision in human history thus far.

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