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By *ueandsteve OP   Couple
over a year ago

Rainham, Kent

What do we think. Do u think all clubs will remain closed until a vaccine is found, either because the government makes it illegal to open or will club "owners" keep them shut? Can you see anyway they can open before a vaccine is found? The same could apply to private parties of course, is anyone likely to risk having one?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

If they do they will never reopen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite likely....but new entrepreneurs will pop up....

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

We cant keep things shut till a vaccine comes up. As it may not do so

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By *ickthelick2001Man
over a year ago

nottingham

I’m hoping no one takes the vaccine, as sure as eggs are eggs they will concoct one. There’s huge profits in vaccines. If you remember a few years ago we had swine flu. GSK hastily concocted a vaccine. 6 million people had the vaccine. It was withdrawn due to an epidemic of narcolepsy, which was attributed to the vaccine. GSK admitted holding back safety issues. Court cases are still ongoing, compensation has been paid to some victims, out of the taxpayers pocket I might add. The vaccine was called PANDEMRIX. Oh nearly forgot, all drug companies are indemnified against vaccine or any other drug injury. Gov.uk has a vaccine injury page for people to claim. But please do your own research, all the information is out there for you to check.

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By *old1974Man
over a year ago

Manchester

The club's will not reopen if we wait anyway. They may never have a vaccine for this re the common cold.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I see them opening before a - possible, but not certain - vaccine is ever found.

There are a ton of posts on the future for clubs. There are some parallels with the publics interest in getting out in to the wider world, such as getting to work again, having meets and using clubs - we're rightly reluctant until we view things as safer. The government can decide when and what but so do the public.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"I’m hoping no one takes the vaccine, as sure as eggs are eggs they will concoct one. There’s huge profits in vaccines. If you remember a few years ago we had swine flu. GSK hastily concocted a vaccine. 6 million people had the vaccine. It was withdrawn due to an epidemic of narcolepsy, which was attributed to the vaccine. GSK admitted holding back safety issues. Court cases are still ongoing, compensation has been paid to some victims, out of the taxpayers pocket I might add. The vaccine was called PANDEMRIX. Oh nearly forgot, all drug companies are indemnified against vaccine or any other drug injury. Gov.uk has a vaccine injury page for people to claim. But please do your own research, all the information is out there for you to check. "

On the whole vaccines are incredibly safe and incredible effective. Protecting millions from suffering and dying from Covid19 for the cost of a handful of cases of narcolepsy would be a price I would accept.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

May never be a vaccine no guarantee of one

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London


"We cant keep things shut till a vaccine comes up. As it may not do so"

Maybe not shut till a vaccine comes up, but I have a feeling they will be shut for a while. Probably long enough where some will never reopen.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

Pandemrix. Increased cases of narcolepsy by around 3.5/100,000 treated. Covid will kill 500-1000/100,000 it infects, maybe more. Weight up the risks!

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By *hubaysiWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Maybe when pubs properly open like normal then they may think about it but not really sure....

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By *pmsldCouple
over a year ago

kettering

I'm sure once restrictions are lifted,and pubs and bars etc are open again the clubs will look to open. Then as normality starts to creep back in the majority of people will restart their lives and do what ever they did before in much the same way (unless forced to changed by the gov)

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By *old1974Man
over a year ago

Manchester

Clubs will open as soon as they can they really need the money regardless of health risks but not all are as reckless.

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By *ueandsteve OP   Couple
over a year ago

Rainham, Kent

We think clubs will "re-open in August, when they r generally quieter anyway and it will be very much down to individuals if they want to take a chance of picking up the virus. We will be attending clubs again as soon as they do open.

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

Clubs will reopen as soon as other recreational venues will and that’s going to be before any vaccine exists even if one ever does.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"We think clubs will "re-open in August, when they r generally quieter anyway and it will be very much down to individuals if they want to take a chance of picking up the virus. We will be attending clubs again as soon as they do open."

Nope

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"What do we think. Do u think all clubs will remain closed until a vaccine is found, either because the government makes it illegal to open or will club "owners" keep them shut? Can you see anyway they can open before a vaccine is found? The same could apply to private parties of course, is anyone likely to risk having one?"

Why 'owners' and not just owners?

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By *ueandsteve OP   Couple
over a year ago

Rainham, Kent

So what. How irrelevant is that. Do we all have to be gramatically perfect!

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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago

harrow


"We think clubs will "re-open in August, when they r generally quieter anyway and it will be very much down to individuals if they want to take a chance of picking up the virus. We will be attending clubs again as soon as they do open."

Not sure what world you are living in if you think clubs will reopen in 3 months! Where do you think thus virus is going?! Social distancing is here to stay and sadly that means clubs won't be opening/reopening in 2020. In fact you can probably write 2021 off too.

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By *ueandsteve OP   Couple
over a year ago

Rainham, Kent

Not us. Another joker!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think they will find a treatment before a vaccine. Ultimately it’s risk v reward. Clubs will open the bigger question is will anyone go? I’m not rushing this side of Christmas

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By *ueandsteve OP   Couple
over a year ago

Rainham, Kent

Hope we r right. Just trying to remain optimistic and positive. Too many doom merchants about! But honestly, yes the corona virus is lethal to those with underlying health conditions, including my mum in law, but the majority of us will manage it just like flu, so my optimism is based on the virus being managed by the government, so that cases can be handled by the NHS, god bless, and the rest of us get back to some kind of normal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What do we think. Do u think all clubs will remain closed until a vaccine is found, either because the government makes it illegal to open or will club "owners" keep them shut? Can you see anyway they can open before a vaccine is found? The same could apply to private parties of course, is anyone likely to risk having one?"

Oh my that sounds horrendous

Sad prospect...

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By *ueandsteve OP   Couple
over a year ago

Rainham, Kent

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over a year ago

Rainham, Kent

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London


"Clubs will reopen as soon as other recreational venues will and that’s going to be before any vaccine exists even if one ever does."

The question is not just if and when they will open; it is whether they can stay open.

Like any other business, swinging clubs rely on people paying the entrance fee to cover the cost of running the club.

They are not charities, nor do fund their overheads from government grants.

The question would be: how many people are confident enough to go back to clubs as early as August.

We don’t know the answer to that yet, but if the numbers are less than 60%, then it’s likely that some clubs will not reopen, or they will reopen only to shut down again for an indefinite period.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

I doubt it, a vaccine will take too long to roll out safely and too long to be given to enough people (plus the cost).

I think clubs will remain closed until the infection rate falls below a certain level.

Although in the interim there's the likelihood that people will arrange their own parties and gatherings.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Clubs will reopen as soon as other recreational venues will and that’s going to be before any vaccine exists even if one ever does.

The question is not just if and when they will open; it is whether they can stay open.

Like any other business, swinging clubs rely on people paying the entrance fee to cover the cost of running the club.

They are not charities, nor do fund their overheads from government grants.

The question would be: how many people are confident enough to go back to clubs as early as August.

We don’t know the answer to that yet, but if the numbers are less than 60%, then it’s likely that some clubs will not reopen, or they will reopen only to shut down again for an indefinite period. "

But those 60% may spend 200% of preciously on alcohol as its likely to be a more social event.

Things change businesses adapt

And there's brexit to come yet

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London


"Clubs will reopen as soon as other recreational venues will and that’s going to be before any vaccine exists even if one ever does.

The question is not just if and when they will open; it is whether they can stay open.

Like any other business, swinging clubs rely on people paying the entrance fee to cover the cost of running the club.

They are not charities, nor do fund their overheads from government grants.

The question would be: how many people are confident enough to go back to clubs as early as August.

We don’t know the answer to that yet, but if the numbers are less than 60%, then it’s likely that some clubs will not reopen, or they will reopen only to shut down again for an indefinite period.

But those 60% may spend 200% of preciously on alcohol as its likely to be a more social event.

Things change businesses adapt

And there's brexit to come yet"

But do you know whether the 60% will even come through the door?

And do you know whether they will spend the 200% ?

And do you know how long those people will keep attending the club for just “social only” ?

Like I said above, we don’t know the answers to these questions yet, so it’s too early to say whether clubs will open by August.

You also say: “ Things change businesses adapt”.

True, but it’s not just about adapting the business, it’s also whether your clientele wish to adapt.

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By *he riverdeep69Couple
over a year ago

North west ish


"What do we think. Do u think all clubs will remain closed until a vaccine is found, either because the government makes it illegal to open or will club "owners" keep them shut? Can you see anyway they can open before a vaccine is found? The same could apply to private parties of course, is anyone likely to risk having one?"

Who knows? Fingers crossed our favourite clubs make it through this.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

people seem to be missing the point that clubs rely on the council giving them a license.would not be at all surprised if councils revoke licenses.can u imagine the uproar from the general public if a club re opens and then has an outbreak amongst its customers.remember it only takes one person to be infected.they will prob put conditions on licenses that will maje it almost impossible to open

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"people seem to be missing the point that clubs rely on the council giving them a license.would not be at all surprised if councils revoke licenses.can u imagine the uproar from the general public if a club re opens and then has an outbreak amongst its customers.remember it only takes one person to be infected.they will prob put conditions on licenses that will maje it almost impossible to open"
How would that work most people in the club don't live in the area, so how would the councils know if there's a break out?

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"people seem to be missing the point that clubs rely on the council giving them a license.would not be at oall surprised if councils revoke licenses.can u imagine the uproar from the general public if a club re opens and then has an outbreak amongst its customers.remember it only takes one person to be infected.they will prob put conditions on licenses that will maje it almost impossible to openHow would that work most people in the club don't live in the area, so how would the councils know if there's a break out?"

sorry i should of made myself clear most councils prob wont license a swingers club at the mo.its all about social distancing and in a swingers club u aint gona be social distancing like u would in a pub

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

oh and how would they know they had a breakout? well the amount of peeps on here saying there gona download the tracking app it wouldnt take em to long to find out where it started unless peeps are just saying they will download it but really wont

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up


"I think they will find a treatment before a vaccine. Ultimately it’s risk v reward. Clubs will open the bigger question is will anyone go? I’m not rushing this side of Christmas "
yup me and a huge group of my friends already planning our first visit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"people seem to be missing the point that clubs rely on the council giving them a license.would not be at oall surprised if councils revoke licenses.can u imagine the uproar from the general public if a club re opens and then has an outbreak amongst its customers.remember it only takes one person to be infected.they will prob put conditions on licenses that will maje it almost impossible to openHow would that work most people in the club don't live in the area, so how would the councils know if there's a break out?

sorry i should of made myself clear most councils prob wont license a swingers club at the mo.its all about social distancing and in a swingers club u aint gona be social distancing like u would in a pub"

Social distancing won't work in a pub. 2m distance doesn't work with stationary people inside

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"people seem to be missing the point that clubs rely on the council giving them a license.would not be at oall surprised if councils revoke licenses.can u imagine the uproar from the general public if a club re opens and then has an outbreak amongst its customers.remember it only takes one person to be infected.they will prob put conditions on licenses that will maje it almost impossible to openHow would that work most people in the club don't live in the area, so how would the councils know if there's a break out?

sorry i should of made myself clear most councils prob wont license a swingers club at the mo.its all about social distancing and in a swingers club u aint gona be social distancing like u would in a pub

Social distancing won't work in a pub. 2m distance doesn't work with stationary people inside"

i imagine pubs and resturants will have limits on how many can come in based on the size of the places unlike pubs the councils will veiw swingers clubs differently.ike i said its gona be about social distancing and u can social distance in a place where pepple fuck strangers

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands


"I think they will find a treatment before a vaccine. Ultimately it’s risk v reward. Clubs will open the bigger question is will anyone go? I’m not rushing this side of Christmas yup me and a huge group of my friends already planning our first visit "

The ambulance chasing lawyers will be watching this with interest, only wants one of your party to pick up the virus and they will descend like a ton of bricks. Remember where there is blame there is a claim. I think most club owners have this at the back of their minds.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

What makes you think an effective vaccine will be found? One has never been found for that other pesky Coronavirus, the common cold, despite decades of work.

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By *lay 4 uMan
over a year ago

bolton

How would they be able to identify the source as being the club?.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"How would they be able to identify the source as being the club?. "

the tracking app i should imagine that most on here seem prepared to download.imagine being questioned if u come down with it.who have you been in contsct with and where.thats why i think councils may revoke licenses leys be honest the nature of swingers clubs dobt really fit in with socisl distancing.think most councils will be covering there arses.can u imagine the uproar from the vanilla community if u had an outbreak in a swingers club

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By *ounty durham bbw coupleCouple
over a year ago

darlington

A vaccine might never come eventually everything will have to start reopening government won't keep people kn furlough long term

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By *adame 2SwordsWoman
over a year ago

Victoria, London

bonkers!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Clubs will open as soon as they can they really need the money regardless of health risks but not all are as reckless."

And would be istantly closed and locked up by authorites....quite rightly too!

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By *adame 2SwordsWoman
over a year ago

Victoria, London

I think there's only ever been about 7 vaccines ever invented. I think there's bob hope of getting one for covid 19, and if they do, it will have mutulated into another form like the commomn cold.

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By *oungguyxxx100Man
over a year ago

Sheffield and Maidstone

I recon it'll be till a range of treatment options are found, a contact tracing app has been developed and there are a low number of daily cases in isolated settings

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think we need to accept that clubs are a write off for the foreseeable future but I full expect to see a rise in house parties as soon as the government cuts down on social distancing in our own homes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we need to accept that clubs are a write off for the foreseeable future but I full expect to see a rise in house parties as soon as the government cuts down on social distancing in our own homes."

I'd rather risk a club

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By *andAukCouple
over a year ago

leeds

Quick testing could be a compromise. You could take a quick swab test at the club, results within a couple of minutes as well as checking peoples temperatures. Not everyone will agree, but a way forward possibly?

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London


"I think we need to accept that clubs are a write off for the foreseeable future but I full expect to see a rise in house parties as soon as the government cuts down on social distancing in our own homes.

I'd rather risk a club"

But the clubs may not be allowed to open anytime soon for you to be able to. attend.

That’s the point the previous poster is making.

Private parties will be allowed as soon as restrictions are lifted on family & friends visiting each other, and that will come sooner than the reopening of clubs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we need to accept that clubs are a write off for the foreseeable future but I full expect to see a rise in house parties as soon as the government cuts down on social distancing in our own homes.

I'd rather risk a club

But the clubs may not be allowed to open anytime soon for you to be able to. attend.

That’s the point the previous poster is making.

Private parties will be allowed as soon as restrictions are lifted on family & friends visiting each other, and that will come sooner than the reopening of clubs. "

Exactly...

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By *OXO2018Couple
over a year ago

Norfolk

We are hoping our favourite club will re open when clubs and pubs are alond to open.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

On bbc news website Netherlands are looking at opening sex clubs in September

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By *onny MCMan
over a year ago

Crawley


"Quick testing could be a compromise. You could take a quick swab test at the club, results within a couple of minutes as well as checking peoples temperatures. Not everyone will agree, but a way forward possibly? "

Is there a quick test option available at the moment, current one takes a couple of days to process and get a result, right?

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By *old1974Man
over a year ago

Manchester

August clubs will reopen unless we mess it up.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"August clubs will reopen unless we mess it up."

No they won't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe when pubs properly open like normal then they may think about it but not really sure....

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That would be my guess too

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I would be very surprised now with the timescales involved whether we will see Clubs open this year.

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By *old1974Man
over a year ago

Manchester

Maybe not yours but government says different unless you are going bust.

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island


"August clubs will reopen unless we mess it up.

No they won't"

Clubs are done this year, even with social distance involved they won't be worth visiting.

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By *old1974Man
over a year ago

Manchester

Possibly and they will go bust anyway but somebody may reopen them next year just different owners.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

Club opens up, some people decide they want to visit and are healthy with no underlying conditions, they decide it's a tiny risk and more likely to pick up a sti than covid, clubs get all party goers to sign a disclaimer. Job sorted if you dont want to go then don't if you do then go.

It's called making an informed decision it's what adults do

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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago

Sheffield


"August clubs will reopen unless we mess it up.

No they won't

Clubs are done this year, even with social distance involved they won't be worth visiting."

Exactly this. There isn't going to be a magic vaccine anytime soon .. I think lots of clubs , hotels , pubs , gyms etc are going under this year.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

Swingers clubs are a completely different ballgame to pubs and restaurants and anyone who things differently are kidding themselves. We can adapt further down the line and open as a pub with reduced capacity but is this viable and is there a demand?

The ONLY country so far to mention swinging clubs (they actually said 'sex clubs') is the Netherlands and they have said that they MAY allow clubs to open in September. They have had 5440 deaths to date, we'v ehad 31855; we are a different kettle of fish altogether

Believe me, we want to open asap but it's not going to be for along time. Swingers clubs will be in the very last phase

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island


"Club opens up, some people decide they want to visit and are healthy with no underlying conditions, they decide it's a tiny risk and more likely to pick up a sti than covid, clubs get all party goers to sign a disclaimer. Job sorted if you dont want to go then don't if you do then go.

It's called making an informed decision it's what adults do"

If club opens tomorrow I would go but unfortunately they can't because of government guidelines.

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen


"I would be very surprised now with the timescales involved whether we will see Clubs open this year.

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I'm in agreement with you

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen


"Swingers clubs are a completely different ballgame to pubs and restaurants and anyone who things differently are kidding themselves. We can adapt further down the line and open as a pub with reduced capacity but is this viable and is there a demand?

The ONLY country so far to mention swinging clubs (they actually said 'sex clubs') is the Netherlands and they have said that they MAY allow clubs to open in September. They have had 5440 deaths to date, we've had 31855, we are a different kettle of fish altogether

Believe me, we want to open asap but it's not going to be for along time. Swingers clubs will be in the very last phase "

Thank you, a voice of reason!

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Club opens up, some people decide they want to visit and are healthy with no underlying conditions, they decide it's a tiny risk and more likely to pick up a sti than covid, clubs get all party goers to sign a disclaimer. Job sorted if you dont want to go then don't if you do then go.

It's called making an informed decision it's what adults do

If club opens tomorrow I would go but unfortunately they can't because of government guidelines. "

Agreed but "private" parties could, always ways round rules a bit like selling raffle tickets which wins you an alcoholic drink at a charity do without a licence to sell it.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

Sorry about my typos, I'm on my phone and doing 3 things at the same time lol

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen


"Sorry about my typos, I'm on my phone and doing 3 things at the same time lol "

Don't worry, I corrected some of them in my quote

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"Sorry about my typos, I'm on my phone and doing 3 things at the same time lol

Don't worry, I corrected some of them in my quote "

Taaaaaa xx

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By *jl1972Man
over a year ago

Bournemouth


"Pandemrix. Increased cases of narcolepsy by around 3.5/100,000 treated. Covid will kill 500-1000/100,000 it infects, maybe more. Weight up the risks!"

Absolutely, but there will always be a few selfish w*****s who would risk catching and passing on a dangerous virus because they've "done some research" - ie spent 5 minutes on Facebook.

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By *0outof10coupleCouple
over a year ago

bath

I doubt there will be any official guidance. Clubs are private members clubs by definition and will open when they feel they can make it pay...and this won’t be at least until general hospitality is allowed to open. I reckon it might be August....as by then things hopefully will be different. I severely doubt many clubs could survive until 2021 without any trade at all.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"I doubt there will be any official guidance. Clubs are private members clubs by definition and will open when they feel they can make it pay...and this won’t be at least until general hospitality is allowed to open. I reckon it might be August....as by then things hopefully will be different. I severely doubt many clubs could survive until 2021 without any trade at all. "

We are private members clubs but we are still led and said by our local council and more importantly Public Health. If they say we can't open, we can't open.

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By *andAukCouple
over a year ago

leeds


"Quick testing could be a compromise. You could take a quick swab test at the club, results within a couple of minutes as well as checking peoples temperatures. Not everyone will agree, but a way forward possibly?

Is there a quick test option available at the moment, current one takes a couple of days to process and get a result, right?"

Not sure, but no doubt this will be something called for in the near future. Test results in minutes would mean that people could just get on and not have to isolate. If this is a virus here to stay, a test such as this will be essential to keep daily life moving.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

We may never get a vaccine.

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By *ncubus XMan
over a year ago

midlands - glasgow - islands

Social distancing swinging sounds fun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are Covid19 guidelines in place for establishment to abide by before they open for general public .

Even places like GP, Opticians, Shops have social distancing measures until a vaccine is found .

Clubs and restaurants can't apply them guidelines precisely because of the nature of their business.

What's the use of having social distancing norms in a swinging club ?

Club goers have to wait for a while now ,need to find a life somewhere else .

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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago

harrow


"I doubt there will be any official guidance. Clubs are private members clubs by definition and will open when they feel they can make it pay...and this won’t be at least until general hospitality is allowed to open. I reckon it might be August....as by then things hopefully will be different. I severely doubt many clubs could survive until 2021 without any trade at all. "

And what's going hopefully be 'different' in August? Where do you think this virus is suddenly going to in August?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I doubt there will be any official guidance. Clubs are private members clubs by definition and will open when they feel they can make it pay...and this won’t be at least until general hospitality is allowed to open. I reckon it might be August....as by then things hopefully will be different. I severely doubt many clubs could survive until 2021 without any trade at all.

And what's going hopefully be 'different' in August? Where do you think this virus is suddenly going to in August?! "

By August, those of us with common sense may be given the freedom to exercise it. The rest can stay at home if they wish.

The virus wont be going anywhere but I will

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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago

harrow


"I doubt there will be any official guidance. Clubs are private members clubs by definition and will open when they feel they can make it pay...and this won’t be at least until general hospitality is allowed to open. I reckon it might be August....as by then things hopefully will be different. I severely doubt many clubs could survive until 2021 without any trade at all.

And what's going hopefully be 'different' in August? Where do you think this virus is suddenly going to in August?!

By August, those of us with common sense may be given the freedom to exercise it. The rest can stay at home if they wish.

The virus wont be going anywhere but I will "

Nothing stopping you meeting now , contracting the virus and potentially dying with it or do you think you are untouchable. Sounds to me like common sense will be required rather than stupidity! Yes some people have to stay at home and shield - it's called common sense!

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up


"I doubt there will be any official guidance. Clubs are private members clubs by definition and will open when they feel they can make it pay...and this won’t be at least until general hospitality is allowed to open. I reckon it might be August....as by then things hopefully will be different. I severely doubt many clubs could survive until 2021 without any trade at all.

And what's going hopefully be 'different' in August? Where do you think this virus is suddenly going to in August?!

By August, those of us with common sense may be given the freedom to exercise it. The rest can stay at home if they wish.

The virus wont be going anywhere but I will "
I would hope so. I see this as something we have to learn to live with long term. So freedom will return.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People are holding on to hope of a vaccine, no chance SARS2 in 2009 killed 10s of thousands HIV killed millions still no vaccine yet but getting close. This virus is no different, vaccine years away if ever.

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London


"I doubt there will be any official guidance. Clubs are private members clubs by definition and will open when they feel they can make it pay...and this won’t be at least until general hospitality is allowed to open. I reckon it might be August....as by then things hopefully will be different. I severely doubt many clubs could survive until 2021 without any trade at all.

And what's going hopefully be 'different' in August? Where do you think this virus is suddenly going to in August?!

By August, those of us with common sense may be given the freedom to exercise it. The rest can stay at home if they wish.

The virus wont be going anywhere but I will I would hope so. I see this as something we have to learn to live with long term. So freedom will return. "

“ So freedom will return.”

Not the same freedom you were used to though. With the absence of a vaccine, restrictions will be in place to manage / control the spread.

Those restrictions will curtail some of the freedom you once had.

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By *emmabTV/TS
over a year ago

Leicestershire

Restrictions on social distancing will only eased when the infection rate will be in single figures for a number of weeks. Also the will need to be an effective track and trace system which needs to be accurate and quick to react to a small and localised increase in infections. It would also depend on effective and easy testing. Got to be something that can be supplied by public health for all establishments that has close contact between adults

This will only come about when authorities having a adult conversation about adult lifestyles.

Of course this will be difficult because as soon as it is bought up by the authorities the newspapers will have a field day with the prospect that adults will want to have sex outside a marriage/partnership.

Daily Fail will be camped outside the first club that dares to open.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up


"I doubt there will be any official guidance. Clubs are private members clubs by definition and will open when they feel they can make it pay...and this won’t be at least until general hospitality is allowed to open. I reckon it might be August....as by then things hopefully will be different. I severely doubt many clubs could survive until 2021 without any trade at all.

And what's going hopefully be 'different' in August? Where do you think this virus is suddenly going to in August?!

By August, those of us with common sense may be given the freedom to exercise it. The rest can stay at home if they wish.

The virus wont be going anywhere but I will I would hope so. I see this as something we have to learn to live with long term. So freedom will return.

“ So freedom will return.”

Not the same freedom you were used to though. With the absence of a vaccine, restrictions will be in place to manage / control the spread.

Those restrictions will curtail some of the freedom you once had. "
not forever it wont.. we will eventually become as blazè about covid 19 as we are with regards to flu..

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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago

harrow


"I doubt there will be any official guidance. Clubs are private members clubs by definition and will open when they feel they can make it pay...and this won’t be at least until general hospitality is allowed to open. I reckon it might be August....as by then things hopefully will be different. I severely doubt many clubs could survive until 2021 without any trade at all.

And what's going hopefully be 'different' in August? Where do you think this virus is suddenly going to in August?!

By August, those of us with common sense may be given the freedom to exercise it. The rest can stay at home if they wish.

The virus wont be going anywhere but I will I would hope so. I see this as something we have to learn to live with long term. So freedom will return.

“ So freedom will return.”

Not the same freedom you were used to though. With the absence of a vaccine, restrictions will be in place to manage / control the spread.

Those restrictions will curtail some of the freedom you once had. "

Absolutely and it's gonna be many years like this - we are only at the beginning of the pandemic . We are still in wave 1 and will see more waves over the years until the possibility of a vaccine

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up


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Absolutely and it's gonna be many years like this - we are only at the beginning of the pandemic . We are still in wave 1 and will see more waves over the years until the possibility of a vaccine"

People are not going to stay away from others indefinitely. They arent doing it now. Let alone in 2 or 3 more months.. and years... you won't be able to social distance for years

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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago

harrow


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Absolutely and it's gonna be many years like this - we are only at the beginning of the pandemic . We are still in wave 1 and will see more waves over the years until the possibility of a vaccine

People are not going to stay away from others indefinitely. They arent doing it now. Let alone in 2 or 3 more months.. and years... you won't be able to social distance for years "

No they aren't - that's why, according to Whitty, there are believed to be 20000 infections per day in the UK. So even a 1% mortality rate ( very low estimate) means approx 1400 deaths per week at this rate once the 'peak' is over

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up


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Absolutely and it's gonna be many years like this - we are only at the beginning of the pandemic . We are still in wave 1 and will see more waves over the years until the possibility of a vaccine

People are not going to stay away from others indefinitely. They arent doing it now. Let alone in 2 or 3 more months.. and years... you won't be able to social distance for years

No they aren't - that's why, according to Whitty, there are believed to be 20000 infections per day in the UK. So even a 1% mortality rate ( very low estimate) means approx 1400 deaths per week at this rate once the 'peak' is over"
if we tested everyone then we would know. And the peak was over weeks ago. Lockdown moves the curve as once we ease things you will see a spike . Read an interesting couple of research papers that suggest that in several years all countries will have a similar death rate per population no matter what they do.

Maybe because I am in the front line dealing with people having mental health issues from this my view is very negative of the actual process of lockdown. We are social creatures.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Absolutely and it's gonna be many years like this - we are only at the beginning of the pandemic . We are still in wave 1 and will see more waves over the years until the possibility of a vaccine

People are not going to stay away from others indefinitely. They arent doing it now. Let alone in 2 or 3 more months.. and years... you won't be able to social distance for years

No they aren't - that's why, according to Whitty, there are believed to be 20000 infections per day in the UK. So even a 1% mortality rate ( very low estimate) means approx 1400 deaths per week at this rate once the 'peak' is over if we tested everyone then we would know. And the peak was over weeks ago. Lockdown moves the curve as once we ease things you will see a spike . Read an interesting couple of research papers that suggest that in several years all countries will have a similar death rate per population no matter what they do.

Maybe because I am in the front line dealing with people having mental health issues from this my view is very negative of the actual process of lockdown. We are social creatures. "

The problem is you'd have to test everyone every week.

And as far as antibodies are concerned no one is 100 percent sure how long they stay in the system and even if they work effectively. We are unfortunately stuck in a situation where only time will allow the answers to show through.

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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago

birmingham

There has never been a successful vaccine for any coronavirus

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London


"I doubt there will be any official guidance. Clubs are private members clubs by definition and will open when they feel they can make it pay...and this won’t be at least until general hospitality is allowed to open. I reckon it might be August....as by then things hopefully will be different. I severely doubt many clubs could survive until 2021 without any trade at all.

And what's going hopefully be 'different' in August? Where do you think this virus is suddenly going to in August?!

By August, those of us with common sense may be given the freedom to exercise it. The rest can stay at home if they wish.

The virus wont be going anywhere but I will I would hope so. I see this as something we have to learn to live with long term. So freedom will return.

“ So freedom will return.”

Not the same freedom you were used to though. With the absence of a vaccine, restrictions will be in place to manage / control the spread.

Those restrictions will curtail some of the freedom you once had.

not forever it wont.. we will eventually become as blazè about covid 19 as we are with regards to flu.. "

I’m not suggesting it will be forever, as I’m hoping a vaccine or some cure is found at some stage. I don’t know whether one will be found, but I live and hope.

Our freedom will be curtailed for a while as a result of that though.

Whether we will end up being relaxed about it like we do with the flu, is not something we will know just yet.

The flu has a vaccine, and it doesn’t kill over 30,000 within 6 weeks.

So compared to the flu, I would assume people will be more careful with this one at the moment until a vaccine is found ( if one is ever found )

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