FabSwingers.com forum: Complete economic meltdown

By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

Is anyone concerned about compete economic collapse? Would say 6 or 7 million extra unemployed next year be a good result?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We believe that COVID-19 is definitely going to change the future of the world.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

Going to be really bad , give it 3 months and recession will be to top story

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Is anyone concerned about compete economic collapse? Would say 6 or 7 million extra unemployed next year be a good result? "

You think that will happen?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is anyone concerned about compete economic collapse? Would say 6 or 7 million extra unemployed next year be a good result? "

Very much concerned far more than this virus actually.

The future is scary employment wise

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

Unemployed will probably be around half that but if it saves a few lives then it's worth it.

Given that you got upset about dancing nurses I assume you disagree.

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

"Is anyone concerned about compete economic collapse? Would say 6 or 7 million extra unemployed next year be a good result?

You think that will happen?"

Economies just don't seem to be designed to be able to cope with month after month of lockdown

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Unemployed will probably be around half that but if it saves a few lives then it's worth it.

Given that you got upset about dancing nurses I assume you disagree."

But anti austerity campaigners claim that 160,000 lives were lost due to government cutbacks so how many are going to die in a depression ?

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Unemployed will probably be around half that but if it saves a few lives then it's worth it.

Given that you got upset about dancing nurses I assume you disagree."

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Is anyone concerned about compete economic collapse? Would say 6 or 7 million extra unemployed next year be a good result?

You think that will happen?

Economies just don't seem to be designed to be able to cope with month after month of lockdown "

That didnt answer my question

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

"Unemployed will probably be around half that but if it saves a few lives then it's worth it.

Given that you got upset about dancing nurses I assume you disagree.

But anti austerity campaigners claim that 160,000 lives were lost due to government cutbacks so how many are going to die in a depression ? "

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans. Very disrespectful to the people who have died in the hospitals they are prancing about

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

This year is going to really tough, I am worried but I won't let it take over, coping one day at a time is the best I am willing to do.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans. "

What's your source for that?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Unemployed will probably be around half that but if it saves a few lives then it's worth it.

Given that you got upset about dancing nurses I assume you disagree.

But anti austerity campaigners claim that 160,000 lives were lost due to government cutbacks so how many are going to die in a depression ?

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans. Very disrespectful to the people who have died in the hospitals they are prancing about"

You are going to.be popular.

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

"Is anyone concerned about compete economic collapse? Would say 6 or 7 million extra unemployed next year be a good result?

You think that will happen?

Economies just don't seem to be designed to be able to cope with month after month of lockdown

That didnt answer my question"

Yes - baked in now

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"Unemployed will probably be around half that but if it saves a few lives then it's worth it.

Given that you got upset about dancing nurses I assume you disagree.

But anti austerity campaigners claim that 160,000 lives were lost due to government cutbacks so how many are going to die in a depression ?

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans. Very disrespectful to the people who have died in the hospitals they are prancing about

You are going to.be popular."

Dancing Nurses, was that Echo and the Bunnymen?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Is anyone concerned about compete economic collapse? Would say 6 or 7 million extra unemployed next year be a good result?

You think that will happen?

Economies just don't seem to be designed to be able to cope with month after month of lockdown

That didnt answer my question

Yes - baked in now"

Superb.

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

"This year is going to really tough, I am worried but I won't let it take over, coping one day at a time is the best I am willing to do."

Try this decade

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Unemployed will probably be around half that but if it saves a few lives then it's worth it.

Given that you got upset about dancing nurses I assume you disagree.

But anti austerity campaigners claim that 160,000 lives were lost due to government cutbacks so how many are going to die in a depression ?

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans. Very disrespectful to the people who have died in the hospitals they are prancing about

You are going to.be popular.

Dancing Nurses, was that Echo and the Bunnymen? "

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Unemployed will probably be around half that but if it saves a few lives then it's worth it.

Given that you got upset about dancing nurses I assume you disagree.

But anti austerity campaigners claim that 160,000 lives were lost due to government cutbacks so how many are going to die in a depression ?

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans. Very disrespectful to the people who have died in the hospitals they are prancing about"

I think the nurses should be encouraged to get upto to even more shenanigans!

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

"Unemployed will probably be around half that but if it saves a few lives then it's worth it.

Given that you got upset about dancing nurses I assume you disagree.

But anti austerity campaigners claim that 160,000 lives were lost due to government cutbacks so how many are going to die in a depression ?

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans. Very disrespectful to the people who have died in the hospitals they are prancing about

You are going to.be popular."

That's never been a concern of mine. Well not enough to prevent me speaking my mind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unemployed will probably be around half that but if it saves a few lives then it's worth it.

Given that you got upset about dancing nurses I assume you disagree.

But anti austerity campaigners claim that 160,000 lives were lost due to government cutbacks so how many are going to die in a depression ?

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans. Very disrespectful to the people who have died in the hospitals they are prancing about

I think the nurses should be encouraged to get upto to even more shenanigans!"

In my experience nurses are more than happy to

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

"Unemployed will probably be around half that but if it saves a few lives then it's worth it.

Given that you got upset about dancing nurses I assume you disagree.

But anti austerity campaigners claim that 160,000 lives were lost due to government cutbacks so how many are going to die in a depression ?

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans. Very disrespectful to the people who have died in the hospitals they are prancing about

You are going to.be popular.

That's never been a concern of mine. Well not enough to prevent me speaking my mind"

What's your source for the negative view of the nurses?

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans.

What's your source for that?"

I know some people in that profession

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans.

What's your source for that?

I know some people in that profession"

I know a lot of people in that profession who quite frankly would say you are talking out of your arse! I guess you wont be joining in with the clapping later this evening either then?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans.

What's your source for that?

I know some people in that profession"

Are they good dancers?

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

"Unemployed will probably be around half that but if it saves a few lives then it's worth it.

Given that you got upset about dancing nurses I assume you disagree.

But anti austerity campaigners claim that 160,000 lives were lost due to government cutbacks so how many are going to die in a depression ?

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans. Very disrespectful to the people who have died in the hospitals they are prancing about

You are going to.be popular.

That's never been a concern of mine. Well not enough to prevent me speaking my mind

What's your source for the negative view of the nurses?"

I don't have a negative view of the job nurses are doing. I have a negative view of them dancing around in the same hospitals where many people will have died. Some of those nurses may have dealt with people who died while they were making those videos. To me and many others it is disrespectful. You will have to accept not everyone shares your opinion on this

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans.

What's your source for that?

I know some people in that profession"

Really? In the thread about dancing nurses you claimed to be an NHS worker. Bit different to someone who knows nurses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why are we talking about nurses as though they are one hive mind?

There will be many that agree with the dancers, many that disagree and even more who don’t give a shit.

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

In 2009 GDP fell 4.3%. The Bank of England is suggesting a fall of 15% for this year and they are probably being optimistic because we haven't even started to ease the lockdown yet. So it's likely to be 4 times worse than 2009.

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

"Unemployed will probably be around half that but if it saves a few lives then it's worth it.

Given that you got upset about dancing nurses I assume you disagree.

But anti austerity campaigners claim that 160,000 lives were lost due to government cutbacks so how many are going to die in a depression ?

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans. Very disrespectful to the people who have died in the hospitals they are prancing about

You are going to.be popular.

That's never been a concern of mine. Well not enough to prevent me speaking my mind

What's your source for the negative view of the nurses?"

Is all getting a bit North Korea for my liking. It leads to people who forget to worship at the alter of the new state religion - being outed on social media

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"To me and many others it is disrespectful. You will have to accept not everyone shares your opinion on this"

I accept that, I just think you have to be an incredibly boring, judgemental, small minded, petty, unsympathetic person to begrudge hard working nurses a bit of fun during breaks in the work place.

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans.

What's your source for that?

I know some people in that profession

Are they good dancers?"

I've never been to a discotheque with any of them and none of them have made any videos

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans.

What's your source for that?

I know some people in that profession

Are they good dancers?

I've never been to a discotheque with any of them and none of them have made any videos"

Discotheque

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally, yes we’re worried about it. It seems to be the elephant in the room. Nobody is talking about the consequences of a deep and long recession.

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By *ounty durham bbw coupleCouple
over a year ago

darlington

"Unemployed will probably be around half that but if it saves a few lives then it's worth it.

Given that you got upset about dancing nurses I assume you disagree.

But anti austerity campaigners claim that 160,000 lives were lost due to government cutbacks so how many are going to die in a depression ? "
so I'm guessing your comfortable because why would anyone else support austerity the way it socks the life and soul out of a country

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

"Is all getting a bit North Korea for my liking. It leads to people who forget to worship at the alter of the new state religion - being outed on social media"

Your words "many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans"

I'm just asking for a source for that. I have an open mind. If front line nurses object to the dancing then their opinion is more important than mine.

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans.

What's your source for that?

I know some people in that profession

Really? In the thread about dancing nurses you claimed to be an NHS worker. Bit different to someone who knows nurses."

They are not mutually exclusive statements

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By *xycpl699Couple
over a year ago

kilmarnock

"Unemployed will probably be around half that but if it saves a few lives then it's worth it.

Given that you got upset about dancing nurses I assume you disagree.

But anti austerity campaigners claim that 160,000 lives were lost due to government cutbacks so how many are going to die in a depression ?

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans. Very disrespectful to the people who have died in the hospitals they are prancing about

You are going to.be popular.

That's never been a concern of mine. Well not enough to prevent me speaking my mind

What's your source for the negative view of the nurses?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Nurses put their lives on the line each day they go to work.

Quite frankly they can do what the fuck they want if it helps them to unwind.

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

"Is all getting a bit North Korea for my liking. It leads to people who forget to worship at the alter of the new state religion - being outed on social media

Your words "many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans"

I'm just asking for a source for that. I have an open mind. If front line nurses object to the dancing then their opinion is more important than mine."

There are newspaper stories about relatives of people who have died after having their operations cancelled being unhappy about these videos. I know nurses who think it inappropriate and I have seen nurses on newspaper comments sections disagreeing with it

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

The outlook at this point in time may look very bad, however I do believe this country, like any other, will pick up the pieces, adapt where necessary and get on with restarting the economy.

Whatever money you have - spend it in this country.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Is all getting a bit North Korea for my liking. It leads to people who forget to worship at the alter of the new state religion - being outed on social media

Your words "many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans"

I'm just asking for a source for that. I have an open mind. If front line nurses object to the dancing then their opinion is more important than mine.

Katie Hopkins and the daily mail.

If you are winding them.up.you are doing something right.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"Unemployed will probably be around half that but if it saves a few lives then it's worth it.

Given that you got upset about dancing nurses I assume you disagree.

But anti austerity campaigners claim that 160,000 lives were lost due to government cutbacks so how many are going to die in a depression ? "

Might help if prioritised what's really important. That's what Life during lockdown's showing us as we blather on about it on here.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Yes many nurses were also unhappy about their shenanigans.

What's your source for that?

I know some people in that profession"

You've said you are in the NHS..

You only know 'some'?

Do you ever share your opinion to them or is it just on sites like this you speak out?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The outlook at this point in time may look very bad, however I do believe this country, like any other, will pick up the pieces, adapt where necessary and get on with restarting the economy.

Whatever money you have - spend it in this country.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

If we do go into a depression that's where the hard work will really begin for the gmnt and a 3 word slogan isnt going to solve it overnight.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

"I know nurses who think it inappropriate and I have seen nurses on newspaper comments sections disagreeing with it."

OK, that's fair enough. Genuine question, I'm not out to trap you here. Do you know any nurse who like the dancing?

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By *adame 2SwordsWoman
over a year ago

Victoria, London

Not worked around the sick and the dying i take it. Sometimes its a dark humour that gets you through it. its a natural coping mechanism, if you think it disrespectful, then maybe volunteer yourself

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

"I know nurses who think it inappropriate and I have seen nurses on newspaper comments sections disagreeing with it.

OK, that's fair enough. Genuine question, I'm not out to trap you here. Do you know any nurse who like the dancing?"

They have more of a split opinion on it if anything

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

"Not worked around the sick and the dying i take it. Sometimes its a dark humour that gets you through it. its a natural coping mechanism, if you think it disrespectful, then maybe volunteer yourself"

The humourous acronyms on bed notes were not for public consumption

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How did a thread titled complete economic meltdown turn into a thread about dancing nurses?

OP don't worry you are not the only one that seen a load of people in the NHS speaking out about the dancing tik tok nurses.

Especially that one that got absaloute ripped apart on social media where they was dancing with a colleague pretending to be dead wrapped up in plastic with covid 19 labled on his foot.

So many people and health care workers were appaled by that one.

I have a friend nurse on social media that was speaking out about all the dance videos way before that one even surfaced.

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By *ent1Man
over a year ago

Ashford

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

"How did a thread titled complete economic meltdown turn into a thread about dancing nurses?

OP don't worry you are not the only one that seen a load of people in the NHS speaking out about the dancing tik tok nurses.

Especially that one that got absaloute ripped apart on social media where they was dancing with a colleague pretending to be dead wrapped up in plastic with covid 19 labled on his foot.

So many people and health care workers were appaled by that one.

I have a friend nurse on social media that was speaking out about all the dance videos way before that one even surfaced.

Thanks

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"How did a thread titled complete economic meltdown turn into a thread about dancing nurses?

OP don't worry you are not the only one that seen a load of people in the NHS speaking out about the dancing tik tok nurses.

Especially that one that got absaloute ripped apart on social media where they was dancing with a colleague pretending to be dead wrapped up in plastic with covid 19 labled on his foot.

So many people and health care workers were appaled by that one.

I have a friend nurse on social media that was speaking out about all the dance videos way before that one even surfaced.

Nothing for it but pitchforks and flaming torches.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

Fair enough. You clearly don't do a job that puts you at risk though. The de-stressing is a massive part of that when something is trying to kill you.

Back on topic, the mental fallout from this is bigger than economic. A proper tax policy could fix this. Amazon etc need a proper kicking but 20% as a base rate is also too low. For the public services we want we all need to pay a bit more.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

"How did a thread titled complete economic meltdown turn into a thread about dancing nurses?

Because the OP also started a thread complaining abou the nurses and I felt it was relevant to ask him the question.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"How did a thread titled complete economic meltdown turn into a thread about dancing nurses?

OP don't worry you are not the only one that seen a load of people in the NHS speaking out about the dancing tik tok nurses.

Especially that one that got absaloute ripped apart on social media where they was dancing with a colleague pretending to be dead wrapped up in plastic with covid 19 labled on his foot.

So many people and health care workers were appaled by that one.

I have a friend nurse on social media that was speaking out about all the dance videos way before that one even surfaced.

Nothing for it but pitchforks and flaming torches."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How did a thread titled complete economic meltdown turn into a thread about dancing nurses?

Because the OP also started a thread complaining abou the nurses and I felt it was relevant to ask him the question."

Surely it doesn't matter about a totally seperate thread, he made this thread about the economy.

If you wanted to adress his opinions on the dancing nurses why not go over to that thread and interogate him there asking for sources instead of derailimg this one.?

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

"How did a thread titled complete economic meltdown turn into a thread about dancing nurses?

Because the OP also started a thread complaining abou the nurses and I felt it was relevant to ask him the question.

Surely it doesn't matter about a totally seperate thread, he made this thread about the economy.

If you wanted to adress his opinions on the dancing nurses why not go over to that thread and interogate him there asking for sources instead of derailimg this one.?"

That thread is closed and I felt asking the question was relevant to this thread.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"How did a thread titled complete economic meltdown turn into a thread about dancing nurses?

Because the OP also started a thread complaining abou the nurses and I felt it was relevant to ask him the question.

Surely it doesn't matter about a totally seperate thread, he made this thread about the economy.

If you wanted to adress his opinions on the dancing nurses why not go over to that thread and interogate him there asking for sources instead of derailimg this one.?"

And yet you in your first post went straight into talking about nurses..?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Op you are consistent in your views that the economy is more important and yes its massively so in normal times, of which we are not in now..

Have asked you before, and you choose not to answer but will try again..

What in your opinion is the number of deaths you think acceptable before government took the lockdown course of action?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Op you are consistent in your views that the economy is more important and yes its massively so in normal times, of which we are not in now..

Have asked you before, and you choose not to answer but will try again..

What in your opinion is the number of deaths you think acceptable before government took the lockdown course of action?

How many deaths will economic destruction cause, if 160,000 were caused by austerity?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Op you are consistent in your views that the economy is more important and yes its massively so in normal times, of which we are not in now..

Have asked you before, and you choose not to answer but will try again..

What in your opinion is the number of deaths you think acceptable before government took the lockdown course of action?

How many deaths will economic destruction cause, if 160,000 were caused by austerity?"

Like yourself I have no idea..

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Op you are consistent in your views that the economy is more important and yes its massively so in normal times, of which we are not in now..

Have asked you before, and you choose not to answer but will try again..

What in your opinion is the number of deaths you think acceptable before government took the lockdown course of action?

How many deaths will economic destruction cause, if 160,000 were caused by austerity?

Like yourself I have no idea..

Well if a 4% contraction caused 160,000 a 16% one is 640,000,

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

"How many deaths will economic destruction cause, if 160,000 were caused by austerity?"

There are people far cleverer than any of us to make those decisions. One less now that Neil Ferguson has been hung out to dry though.

Personally I'd prefer to fight an economic fight and maybe have to retrain or similar, rather than have a bug make the decision for me.

I will take risks once the lockdown is lifted but based on my own thoughts and opinions. Asking for things that kills other people is the action of a cunt.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Op you are consistent in your views that the economy is more important and yes its massively so in normal times, of which we are not in now..

Have asked you before, and you choose not to answer but will try again..

What in your opinion is the number of deaths you think acceptable before government took the lockdown course of action?

How many deaths will economic destruction cause, if 160,000 were caused by austerity?"

Where did the 160,000 figure come from?

Quite a damaging stat for some they didnt have to.do.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"How many deaths will economic destruction cause, if 160,000 were caused by austerity?

There are people far cleverer than any of us to make those decisions. One less now that Neil Ferguson has been hung out to dry though.

Personally I'd prefer to fight an economic fight and maybe have to retrain or similar, rather than have a bug make the decision for me.

I will take risks once the lockdown is lifted but based on my own thoughts and opinions. Asking for things that kills other people is the action of a cunt. "

Or is it asking for something that saves far more lives

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Op you are consistent in your views that the economy is more important and yes its massively so in normal times, of which we are not in now..

Have asked you before, and you choose not to answer but will try again..

What in your opinion is the number of deaths you think acceptable before government took the lockdown course of action?

How many deaths will economic destruction cause, if 160,000 were caused by austerity?

Where did the 160,000 figure come from?

Quite a damaging stat for some they didnt have to.do."

The guardian, the independent etc etc.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"Op you are consistent in your views that the economy is more important and yes its massively so in normal times, of which we are not in now..

Have asked you before, and you choose not to answer but will try again..

What in your opinion is the number of deaths you think acceptable before government took the lockdown course of action?

How many deaths will economic destruction cause, if 160,000 were caused by austerity?"

Covid 19 may well kill more. Austerity was a political decision. Covid 19 is a pandemic.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Op you are consistent in your views that the economy is more important and yes its massively so in normal times, of which we are not in now..

Have asked you before, and you choose not to answer but will try again..

What in your opinion is the number of deaths you think acceptable before government took the lockdown course of action?

How many deaths will economic destruction cause, if 160,000 were caused by austerity?

Like yourself I have no idea..

Well if a 4% contraction caused 160,000 a 16% one is 640,000, "

Which will be terrible I'm sure you would agree..

I have been and will be critical of how this government has handled some elements and supportive in others but what else coukd they have done..

There was no plan, no set of policies and procedures for when this was inevitably coming to our shores so they have taken the option they did..

To have let it run rife is not acceptable but it seems some think we should have done that to see what happened and to keep the economic hit lower..

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Op you are consistent in your views that the economy is more important and yes its massively so in normal times, of which we are not in now..

Have asked you before, and you choose not to answer but will try again..

What in your opinion is the number of deaths you think acceptable before government took the lockdown course of action?

How many deaths will economic destruction cause, if 160,000 were caused by austerity?

Where did the 160,000 figure come from?

Quite a damaging stat for some they didnt have to.do.

The guardian, the independent etc etc."

I'm not disputing it..I have just never seen that stat before.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Op you are consistent in your views that the economy is more important and yes its massively so in normal times, of which we are not in now..

Have asked you before, and you choose not to answer but will try again..

What in your opinion is the number of deaths you think acceptable before government took the lockdown course of action?

How many deaths will economic destruction cause, if 160,000 were caused by austerity?

Covid 19 may well kill more. Austerity was a political decision. Covid 19 is a pandemic. "

In one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How did a thread titled complete economic meltdown turn into a thread about dancing nurses?

Because the OP also started a thread complaining abou the nurses and I felt it was relevant to ask him the question.

Surely it doesn't matter about a totally seperate thread, he made this thread about the economy.

If you wanted to adress his opinions on the dancing nurses why not go over to that thread and interogate him there asking for sources instead of derailimg this one.?

And yet you in your first post went straight into talking about nurses..? "

Because everyone was jumping on his back about it and asking for sources.

And seeing how i have also seen what he was reffering to about, i wanted him to know hes not the only person to have seen some bscklash towards dancing nurses.

Now enough about dancing nurses and back to economy.

The economy isnt recovering from this for years thats for sure.

I am with the guy that thinks we should have gone the sweden route

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"How did a thread titled complete economic meltdown turn into a thread about dancing nurses?

Because the OP also started a thread complaining abou the nurses and I felt it was relevant to ask him the question.

Surely it doesn't matter about a totally seperate thread, he made this thread about the economy.

If you wanted to adress his opinions on the dancing nurses why not go over to that thread and interogate him there asking for sources instead of derailimg this one.?

And yet you in your first post went straight into talking about nurses..?

Because everyone was jumping on his back about it and asking for sources.

And seeing how i have also seen what he was reffering to about, i wanted him to know hes not the only person to have seen some bscklash towards dancing nurses.

Now enough about dancing nurses and back to economy.

The economy isnt recovering from this for years thats for sure.

I am with the guy that thinks we should have gone the sweden route

That may work for them but and I don't know the exact details they are less densely populated I believe, what has been their testing, isolation etc..

Comparing one country with another only works when the similarities in population size and density and many other criteria are included..?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"How did a thread titled complete economic meltdown turn into a thread about dancing nurses?

Because the OP also started a thread complaining abou the nurses and I felt it was relevant to ask him the question.

Surely it doesn't matter about a totally seperate thread, he made this thread about the economy.

If you wanted to adress his opinions on the dancing nurses why not go over to that thread and interogate him there asking for sources instead of derailimg this one.?

And yet you in your first post went straight into talking about nurses..?

Because everyone was jumping on his back about it and asking for sources.

And seeing how i have also seen what he was reffering to about, i wanted him to know hes not the only person to have seen some bscklash towards dancing nurses.

Now enough about dancing nurses and back to economy.

The economy isnt recovering from this for years thats for sure.

I am with the guy that thinks we should have gone the sweden route

That may work for them but and I don't know the exact details they are less densely populated I believe, what has been their testing, isolation etc..

Comparing one country with another only works when the similarities in population size and density and many other criteria are included..?

Yet many want to compare our deaths with other countries.

It's what every country is aiming for but because of bad press are too scared to say.

There is simply no choice

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"How did a thread titled complete economic meltdown turn into a thread about dancing nurses?

Because the OP also started a thread complaining abou the nurses and I felt it was relevant to ask him the question.

Surely it doesn't matter about a totally seperate thread, he made this thread about the economy.

If you wanted to adress his opinions on the dancing nurses why not go over to that thread and interogate him there asking for sources instead of derailimg this one.?

And yet you in your first post went straight into talking about nurses..?

Because everyone was jumping on his back about it and asking for sources.

And seeing how i have also seen what he was reffering to about, i wanted him to know hes not the only person to have seen some bscklash towards dancing nurses.

Now enough about dancing nurses and back to economy.

The economy isnt recovering from this for years thats for sure.

I am with the guy that thinks we should have gone the sweden route

That may work for them but and I don't know the exact details they are less densely populated I believe, what has been their testing, isolation etc..

Comparing one country with another only works when the similarities in population size and density and many other criteria are included..?

Yet many want to compare our deaths with other countries.

It's what every country is aiming for but because of bad press are too scared to say.

There is simply no choice"

The only comparison I think we can look at is when we can judge this year's figures on previous years..

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"How did a thread titled complete economic meltdown turn into a thread about dancing nurses?

Because the OP also started a thread complaining abou the nurses and I felt it was relevant to ask him the question.

Surely it doesn't matter about a totally seperate thread, he made this thread about the economy.

If you wanted to adress his opinions on the dancing nurses why not go over to that thread and interogate him there asking for sources instead of derailimg this one.?

And yet you in your first post went straight into talking about nurses..?

Because everyone was jumping on his back about it and asking for sources.

And seeing how i have also seen what he was reffering to about, i wanted him to know hes not the only person to have seen some bscklash towards dancing nurses.

Now enough about dancing nurses and back to economy.

The economy isnt recovering from this for years thats for sure.

I am with the guy that thinks we should have gone the sweden route

That may work for them but and I don't know the exact details they are less densely populated I believe, what has been their testing, isolation etc..

Comparing one country with another only works when the similarities in population size and density and many other criteria are included..?

Yet many want to compare our deaths with other countries.

It's what every country is aiming for but because of bad press are too scared to say.

There is simply no choice

The only comparison I think we can look at is when we can judge this year's figures on previous years..

Agree with that

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"How did a thread titled complete economic meltdown turn into a thread about dancing nurses?

Because the OP also started a thread complaining abou the nurses and I felt it was relevant to ask him the question.

Surely it doesn't matter about a totally seperate thread, he made this thread about the economy.

If you wanted to adress his opinions on the dancing nurses why not go over to that thread and interogate him there asking for sources instead of derailimg this one.?

And yet you in your first post went straight into talking about nurses..?

Because everyone was jumping on his back about it and asking for sources.

And seeing how i have also seen what he was reffering to about, i wanted him to know hes not the only person to have seen some bscklash towards dancing nurses.

Now enough about dancing nurses and back to economy.

The economy isnt recovering from this for years thats for sure.

I am with the guy that thinks we should have gone the sweden route

That may work for them but and I don't know the exact details they are less densely populated I believe, what has been their testing, isolation etc..

Comparing one country with another only works when the similarities in population size and density and many other criteria are included..?

Yet many want to compare our deaths with other countries.

It's what every country is aiming for but because of bad press are too scared to say.

There is simply no choice

The only comparison I think we can look at is when we can judge this year's figures on previous years..

Agree with that"

But would add that when any countries leader talks about the apparent success just as albeit in the numbers known that country is heading to the second highest on the planet thus far then that will attract scrutiny and criticism..

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By *ounty durham bbw coupleCouple
over a year ago

darlington

People dont care about job losses unless it's their own job its just a fact people will say look its just a price we have to pay until it's their turn to pay the price

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By *nnnikCouple
over a year ago

Walsall

Politics economy isn't a good topic for a site full of sex fiends looking to party. Think you meant to post it on Facebook?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"People dont care about job losses unless it's their own job its just a fact people will say look its just a price we have to pay until it's their turn to pay the price "

Possibly but the same can be said about deaths from this virus.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Politics economy isn't a good topic for a site full of sex fiends looking to party. Think you meant to post it on Facebook?

You missed out the r in fiends..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn’t care less to be honest.

1) No one cared about the economy suffering under austerity. No one cares about it being kneecapped and taking 50 years to recover after Brexit. Yet now everyone’s a champion of the poor and vulnerable workers, and damaging the economy to save lives is a horrible idea? Give me a break.

2) The economic damage has largely been done. The country is as shut down as it’ll get. Waiting a month or two more won’t don’t that much more damage and means we can fully reopen quicker and much more safely, hopefully avoiding a second and deadlier wave plus another lockdown. Getting it right first time protects the economy, rushing it doesn’t.

3) We don’t have it under control yet. Other countries are easing lockdown because they’re ready to do it. We’re a clusterfuck of mistakes and unknowns, groping in the dark for a quick and easy solution that isn’t there. Would you re-enter a house clearly on fire still simply because the biggest flames had died out?

Stay indoors. Protect yourself and your loved ones. Protect the NHS. The economy will recover quicker from this than Brexit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People dont care about job losses unless it's their own job its just a fact people will say look its just a price we have to pay until it's their turn to pay the price "

People dont care about life losses unless it's their own life its just a fact people will say look its just a price we have to pay until it's their turn to pay the price

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Couldn’t care less to be honest.

Stay indoors. Protect yourself and your loved ones. Protect the NHS. The economy will recover quicker from this than Brexit."

Thought we had done the Brexit vote twice already and the remoaners still going on about losing

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

"Couldn’t care less to be honest.

Stay indoors. Protect yourself and your loved ones. Protect the NHS. The economy will recover quicker from this than Brexit.

Thought we had done the Brexit vote twice already and the remoaners still going on about losing "

On the plus side, it will be a lot easier to leave without a deal on December 31st because there will be no travellers and bugger all trade so there will be no queues as a result of the new border checks.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Couldn’t care less to be honest.

Stay indoors. Protect yourself and your loved ones. Protect the NHS. The economy will recover quicker from this than Brexit.

Thought we had done the Brexit vote twice already and the remoaners still going on about losing "

We had 1 Brexit vote.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Couldn’t care less to be honest.

Stay indoors. Protect yourself and your loved ones. Protect the NHS. The economy will recover quicker from this than Brexit."

Spot on with no 1..they werent arsed when they slashed every public service to the bone yet now they are fearful of shops and businesses going to the wall.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How did a thread titled complete economic meltdown turn into a thread about dancing nurses?

Because the OP also started a thread complaining abou the nurses and I felt it was relevant to ask him the question.

Surely it doesn't matter about a totally seperate thread, he made this thread about the economy.

If you wanted to adress his opinions on the dancing nurses why not go over to that thread and interogate him there asking for sources instead of derailimg this one.?

And yet you in your first post went straight into talking about nurses..?

Because everyone was jumping on his back about it and asking for sources.

And seeing how i have also seen what he was reffering to about, i wanted him to know hes not the only person to have seen some bscklash towards dancing nurses.

Now enough about dancing nurses and back to economy.

The economy isnt recovering from this for years thats for sure.

I am with the guy that thinks we should have gone the sweden route

So its disrespectful to the dead for nurses to dance on their break, but not disrespectful to care more about gdp than the people losing their lives? That seems like conflicting opinions

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Is anyone concerned about compete economic collapse? Would say 6 or 7 million extra unemployed next year be a good result? "
What an odd statement

to talk abut this in terms of a result is plain nonesense

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"Is anyone concerned about compete economic collapse? Would say 6 or 7 million extra unemployed next year be a good result?

You think that will happen?

Economies just don't seem to be designed to be able to cope with month after month of lockdown "

Strange that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Couldn’t care less to be honest.

Stay indoors. Protect yourself and your loved ones. Protect the NHS. The economy will recover quicker from this than Brexit.

Thought we had done the Brexit vote twice already and the remoaners still going on about losing

We had 1 Brexit vote."

The last general election was the public giving its second opinion on Brexit and at last kicking J C into touch.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Couldn’t care less to be honest.

Stay indoors. Protect yourself and your loved ones. Protect the NHS. The economy will recover quicker from this than Brexit.

Thought we had done the Brexit vote twice already and the remoaners still going on about losing

We had 1 Brexit vote.

The last general election was the public giving its second opinion on Brexit and at last kicking J C into touch. "

So it was a general election and not a Brexit vote?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

And if it was a 2nd Brexit vote didnt more people vote for the 3 parties who were at best abivilent about Brexit than the 1 party who supported it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

World War 3 will kickstart the economy.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"World War 3 will kickstart the economy."

Donald will sort that for you.

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"World War 3 will kickstart the economy.

Donald will sort that for you."

Trigger happy Trump.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"World War 3 will kickstart the economy.

Donald will sort that for you."

Perhaps the virus is the first strike?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Is it time to start learning the lyrics to bright side of life?

Or watching Dr strangelove..

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The strength of the UK is based on its people being alive and well.

Thankfully the UK is not one of the world's poorest countries. This lockdown has also helped people to reassess what is important to them in life.

Most people recognised theybvalue their families, friends and health much more highly now. We have been living our lives often with somewhat skewed values and priorities. In an economic downturn it will wrongly be the poorer who will face the worst of the situation. Our government has talked this week of people getting addicted to furlough measures - that's the regard for the masses that they have for us. As said earlier, we're not an incredibly poor country, so can stand a hit-we already are at present.

Take a good long hard look at anyone who is pushing for business to prosper from the deaths and misery of the population. If it's you, reassess yourself and your values.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The strength of the UK is based on its people being alive and well.

Thankfully the UK is not one of the world's poorest countries. This lockdown has also helped people to reassess what is important to them in life.

Take a good long hard look at anyone who is pushing for business to prosper from the deaths and misery of the population. If it's you, reassess yourself and your values. "

Word.

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By *teveuk77Man
over a year ago

"Is anyone concerned about compete economic collapse? Would say 6 or 7 million extra unemployed next year be a good result? "

There are 30m working people in the uk. Just under 1/4 of people losing their jobs? Seriously???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Virus is far less scary than what's coming next ??

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

"Op you are consistent in your views that the economy is more important and yes its massively so in normal times, of which we are not in now..

Have asked you before, and you choose not to answer but will try again..

What in your opinion is the number of deaths you think acceptable before government took the lockdown course of action?

An undoubtedly difficult question. I could as easily ask what sort of unemployment levels you are willing to see in order to continue lockdown. Say we lose half a million jobs for each month in lockdown. Would you be willing to lockdown for 12-18 months until we maybe have a vaccine?

Ultimately I don't think many lives will be saved by lockdown because its going to keep on spreading through the populace - we will just give the people who are going to die from it - (who will mainly be people at the latter stages of life) a few more months

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

2) The economic damage has largely been done. The country is as shut down as it’ll get. Waiting a month or two more won’t don’t that much more damage "

Really.....

Economics not your strong point then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thought we had done the Brexit vote twice already and the remoaners still going on about losing "

Shit, 2 Brexit vvotes, I must have missed a referendum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In 2009 GDP fell 4.3%. The Bank of England is suggesting a fall of 15% for this year and they are probably being optimistic because we haven't even started to ease the lockdown yet. So it's likely to be 4 times worse than 2009. "

Actually 14% decline this year with a reversal of +15% next year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Going to be really bad , give it 3 months and recession will be to top story"

This is on its way....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a feeling many nations are going to make China pay for unleashing the Coronavirus.....

IMHO I think China will ease tariffs and pay billions to help start up the many economies..

Or a War will happen

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By *s.KerryTV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

How callous can you be!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"This year is going to really tough, I am worried but I won't let it take over, coping one day at a time is the best I am willing to do."

This for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Couldn’t care less to be honest.

Stay indoors. Protect yourself and your loved ones. Protect the NHS. The economy will recover quicker from this than Brexit."

Your understanding of how an economy works is laughable. Couple more months won’t make much difference ?!!?? Even the absolute worst doomsday scenario for how it may play out economically after brexit was nowhere near as bad as what’s going to happen moving forward because of this shut down.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"To me and many others it is disrespectful. You will have to accept not everyone shares your opinion on this

I accept that, I just think you have to be an incredibly boring, judgemental, small minded, petty, unsympathetic person to begrudge hard working nurses a bit of fun during breaks in the work place."

I don't think I'm any of the above, but as a parent whose only son died in intensive care, leaving him and walking out of the hospital, seeing people going about their business that hot summer evening I wanted to scream at them, at life for being unfair.

Prancing nurses (and I was a nurse in a former life, my mum and aunts were and my sister still is) would have done my head in...time and place.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Op you are consistent in your views that the economy is more important and yes its massively so in normal times, of which we are not in now..

Have asked you before, and you choose not to answer but will try again..

What in your opinion is the number of deaths you think acceptable before government took the lockdown course of action?

It is and there are no easy answers at all in this attempt to minimise deaths and of course the economic hit..

And the latter will I accept have consequences for many..

Waiting for a vaccine is not in the table, we need to start to get people working only where safe but certain sectors won't be able to such as leasure/pubs etc..

Thank you for answering..

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By *ounty durham bbw coupleCouple
over a year ago

darlington

Whether people accept it or not the lockdown has only slowed down the inevitable if no vaccine is found we can't keep Kids out of school for years we can't keep people out of work for years regardless of how dangerous it might still seem the world has to restart at some point

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By *ottielayWoman
over a year ago

by the bay

"To me and many others it is disrespectful. You will have to accept not everyone shares your opinion on this

I accept that, I just think you have to be an incredibly boring, judgemental, small minded, petty, unsympathetic person to begrudge hard working nurses a bit of fun during breaks in the work place.

Prancing nurses (and I was a nurse in a former life, my mum and aunts were and my sister still is) would have done my head in...time and place.

I’m so sorry for the loss of your son x

It’s a distressing time for many and this should be respected

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"Economies just don't seem to be designed to be able to cope with month after month of lockdown."

They aren't - but they can be redesigned.

The UK did it in the 1980's.

The Germans did it after Reunification.

The Chinese did it, to the point of influencing the entire world economy.

Economies can be changed to cope with changing conditions.

If it means the good times stop rolling for some, too bad. They can retrain.

That was the attitude towards UK miners, shipbuilders and steelworkers in the 1980's.

Is retraining beyond airline staff and workers in the hospitality and retail sectors?

Was moving to an economy so massively based on the service sector a mistake? Looks like it.

Can we have a new economy with more people working to manufacture the infrastructure and equipment necessary to help reduce climate change?

Maybe - if there's the will to do it. It can be done. Wishful thinking?

Well, 75 years ago, Europe was, literally, in ruins - with millions dead and its economies devastated.

Nothing like that amount of actual damage has happened. So, hopefully, it ought to take fewer than 75 years to recover from the changes Covid 19 has brought to us all.

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By *ounty durham bbw coupleCouple
over a year ago

darlington

"Economies just don't seem to be designed to be able to cope with month after month of lockdown.

They aren't - but they can be redesigned.

The UK did it in the 1980's.

The Germans did it after Reunification.

The Chinese did it, to the point of influencing the entire world economy.

Economies can be changed to cope with changing conditions.

If it means the good times stop rolling for some, too bad. They can retrain.

That was the attitude towards UK miners, shipbuilders and steelworkers in the 1980's.

Is retraining beyond airline staff and workers in the hospitality and retail sectors?

Was moving to an economy so massively based on the service sector a mistake? Looks like it.

Can we have a new economy with more people working to manufacture the infrastructure and equipment necessary to help reduce climate change?

Maybe - if there's the will to do it. It can be done. Wishful thinking?

Well, 75 years ago, Europe was, literally, in ruins - with millions dead and its economies devastated.

Nothing like that amount of actual damage has happened. So, hopefully, it ought to take fewer than 75 years to recover from the changes Covid 19 has brought to us all."
do we really want longterm to live in a world without holidays bars and restaurants though its simplifying it to say those people can retrain people need something to look forward to for their sanity

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

Actually 14% decline this year with a reversal of +15% next year. "

It took 3 years to reach the same level after the 2009 crash. So I'm guessing 10 years for this one.

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

And the social media experts pop their heads above the parapets once more.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"And if it was a 2nd Brexit vote didnt more people vote for the 3 parties who were at best abivilent about Brexit than the 1 party who supported it?"

so why didnt those partys join together form a gov between 3 of them to keep the torys out if they wanted brexit stopped.or wasnt it that important to any of them?

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over a year ago

"Nurses put their lives on the line each day they go to work.

Quite frankly they can do what the fuck they want if it helps them to unwind."

Well said as a frontline worker.Nurses in the last few months have dealt with alot of stressful situations .some nurses like to chat and have a laugh and this is how they cope.I disagree with the ones who are on tic tok dancing as I think its unprofessional .I hate it when everyone claps on Thursday .Nurses and care workers should always be respected ,not just because of covid19 and work we doing know .

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over a year ago

Actually 14% decline this year with a reversal of +15% next year.

It took 3 years to reach the same level after the 2009 crash. So I'm guessing 10 years for this one."

Plus the Brexit effect. Which will leave us lagging being everyone else in the world. It will be more than 10 years

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over a year ago

"And if it was a 2nd Brexit vote didnt more people vote for the 3 parties who were at best abivilent about Brexit than the 1 party who supported it?

so why didnt those partys join together form a gov between 3 of them to keep the torys out if they wanted brexit stopped.or wasnt it that important to any of them?"

That's not how elections work lol

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"And if it was a 2nd Brexit vote didnt more people vote for the 3 parties who were at best abivilent about Brexit than the 1 party who supported it?

so why didnt those partys join together form a gov between 3 of them to keep the torys out if they wanted brexit stopped.or wasnt it that important to any of them?"

Because they had fundamental policy differences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And if it was a 2nd Brexit vote didnt more people vote for the 3 parties who were at best abivilent about Brexit than the 1 party who supported it?

so why didnt those partys join together form a gov between 3 of them to keep the torys out if they wanted brexit stopped.or wasnt it that important to any of them?"

This is the electorate. FFS

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

so why didnt those partys join together form a gov between 3 of them to keep the torys out if they wanted brexit stopped.or wasnt it that important to any of them?"

Jo Swinson (remember her?) refused to work with anyone else because she was absolutely convinced she was going to be the next PM.

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By *arksxMan
over a year ago

Leicester / London

Actually 14% decline this year with a reversal of +15% next year.

It took 3 years to reach the same level after the 2009 crash. So I'm guessing 10 years for this one.

Plus the Brexit effect. Which will leave us lagging being everyone else in the world. It will be more than 10 years "

The suggestion is that developed countries will se a v shaped recovery.

Yeah maybe in a economic text book...

Economies world wide wide are being propped up by trillions in qe.

(money printing)

And a banning of shorting of shares

Debt markets are being rocked across the globe.

(this is what triggered the 08 crisis)

Any debt that is not of the highest grade is already rated as a junk bond.

08 is gonna look like a storm in tea cup next to this.

The shit is gonna hit the fan before June. Unemployment will easily spike above 10%.

None of this even factors in brexit which the uk government has clearly choosen to crash out of with a no deal by thr end of the year.

Corona virus is gonna be their get of jail card for all economic fuck ups they have made.

For those of you who lived through the early 80s they are on their way back

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over a year ago

Actually 14% decline this year with a reversal of +15% next year.

It took 3 years to reach the same level after the 2009 crash. So I'm guessing 10 years for this one.

Plus the Brexit effect. Which will leave us lagging being everyone else in the world. It will be more than 10 years

The suggestion is that developed countries will se a v shaped recovery.

Yeah maybe in a economic text book...

Economies world wide wide are being propped up by trillions in qe.

(money printing)

And a banning of shorting of shares

Debt markets are being rocked across the globe.

(this is what triggered the 08 crisis)

Any debt that is not of the highest grade is already rated as a junk bond.

08 is gonna look like a storm in tea cup next to this.

The shit is gonna hit the fan before June. Unemployment will easily spike above 10%.

None of this even factors in brexit which the uk government has clearly choosen to crash out of with a no deal by thr end of the year.

Corona virus is gonna be their get of jail card for all economic fuck ups they have made.

For those of you who lived through the early 80s they are on their way back"
It's wrong to drag Brexit into this because if nothing else this as taught us it's we need to make more in the UK, and stop reliance on inports.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"And if it was a 2nd Brexit vote didnt more people vote for the 3 parties who were at best abivilent about Brexit than the 1 party who supported it?

so why didnt those partys join together form a gov between 3 of them to keep the torys out if they wanted brexit stopped.or wasnt it that important to any of them?

Because they had fundamental policy differences."

that may be but i thought it was brexit must be stopped at all costs.like i said it. musnt have been as important as they were making out.and bit unfair to lay all the blame on swinson.wasnt corbyn also saying he would have to be leader if any shared goverment and nicola was only gona support it if she got her 2nd vote? like i said obviously wasnt as important as they were making out.anyway bet brexit is looking like a small blip to a lot. of people now.and peeps wonder why i dont vote lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fact is automation, jobs abroad, newer technologies etc. We are in for a future of very low employment.

Simply we have to many people and not enough requirement/use for them all.

And then there are countries with far bigger populations.

Of the population was cut in half across the globe, we may be a bit closer to the number of people actually required.

Even the we may still have more than necessary.

I am not even including those that are retired.

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By *arksxMan
over a year ago

Leicester / London

Actually 14% decline this year with a reversal of +15% next year.

It took 3 years to reach the same level after the 2009 crash. So I'm guessing 10 years for this one.

Plus the Brexit effect. Which will leave us lagging being everyone else in the world. It will be more than 10 years

The suggestion is that developed countries will se a v shaped recovery.

Yeah maybe in a economic text book...

Economies world wide wide are being propped up by trillions in qe.

(money printing)

And a banning of shorting of shares

Debt markets are being rocked across the globe.

(this is what triggered the 08 crisis)

Any debt that is not of the highest grade is already rated as a junk bond.

08 is gonna look like a storm in tea cup next to this.

The shit is gonna hit the fan before June. Unemployment will easily spike above 10%.

None of this even factors in brexit which the uk government has clearly choosen to crash out of with a no deal by thr end of the year.

Corona virus is gonna be their get of jail card for all economic fuck ups they have made.

For those of you who lived through the early 80s they are on their way backIt's wrong to drag Brexit into this because if nothing else this as taught us it's we need to make more in the UK, and stop reliance on inports. "

It's not right or wrong... Its an economic fact.

Markets and economics don't care what your political allegiance is. They care about how policy implementation effects profits.

Personally I'm not for brexit and I'm also not for a no deal.

But if we are to leave without one. I'd rather do it under the economic shit storm that is coming when ever economy is eating a shit sandwich.

I do think given the new world we are living another vote would make sense but given that the Eu is postion no better (maybe even worse than the uk to ride this out)

I would expect brexit would pass with an even bigger majority and this would end all the brexit debates.

Both sides would have had to bites and the cherry and we are now living in a post virus world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually 14% decline this year with a reversal of +15% next year.

It took 3 years to reach the same level after the 2009 crash. So I'm guessing 10 years for this one.

Plus the Brexit effect. Which will leave us lagging being everyone else in the world. It will be more than 10 years

The suggestion is that developed countries will se a v shaped recovery.

Yeah maybe in a economic text book...

Economies world wide wide are being propped up by trillions in qe.

(money printing)

And a banning of shorting of shares

Debt markets are being rocked across the globe.

(this is what triggered the 08 crisis)

Any debt that is not of the highest grade is already rated as a junk bond.

08 is gonna look like a storm in tea cup next to this.

The shit is gonna hit the fan before June. Unemployment will easily spike above 10%.

None of this even factors in brexit which the uk government has clearly choosen to crash out of with a no deal by thr end of the year.

Corona virus is gonna be their get of jail card for all economic fuck ups they have made.

Hope you are prepared to pay more for your goods then? May not effect you, but will the poorer. Blame companies that don't want to pay decent wages and want cheap labour and materials from abroad. This current shambles of a government were all for low regulation, low tax. I dare say a lot of people would moan at paying more tax but seem fine about everything else going up because we are 'making it ourselves'. Yeah, we will see how well that goes down!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And if it was a 2nd Brexit vote didnt more people vote for the 3 parties who were at best abivilent about Brexit than the 1 party who supported it?

so why didnt those partys join together form a gov between 3 of them to keep the torys out if they wanted brexit stopped.or wasnt it that important to any of them?

Because they had fundamental policy differences.

Why are you so proud of not voting? Seriously it seems to be the only thing you have to offer and for most of us thats a bit pointless

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over a year ago

Actually 14% decline this year with a reversal of +15% next year.

It took 3 years to reach the same level after the 2009 crash. So I'm guessing 10 years for this one.

Plus the Brexit effect. Which will leave us lagging being everyone else in the world. It will be more than 10 years

The suggestion is that developed countries will se a v shaped recovery.

Yeah maybe in a economic text book...

Economies world wide wide are being propped up by trillions in qe.

(money printing)

And a banning of shorting of shares

Debt markets are being rocked across the globe.

(this is what triggered the 08 crisis)

Any debt that is not of the highest grade is already rated as a junk bond.

08 is gonna look like a storm in tea cup next to this.

The shit is gonna hit the fan before June. Unemployment will easily spike above 10%.

None of this even factors in brexit which the uk government has clearly choosen to crash out of with a no deal by thr end of the year.

Corona virus is gonna be their get of jail card for all economic fuck ups they have made.

Its not as easy as saying we need to make more stuff in the UK, we are a very small island with even fewer resources.

To manufacture enough products for the population we need to import most of the raw materials or components to make the finished products.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nhs worker who goes into wards ten /fifteen times a day many days a week... some nurses have been vocal about not liking dancing nurses

That’s not my personal opinion

Just what has been vocalised to me

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"And if it was a 2nd Brexit vote didnt more people vote for the 3 parties who were at best abivilent about Brexit than the 1 party who supported it?

so why didnt those partys join together form a gov between 3 of them to keep the torys out if they wanted brexit stopped.or wasnt it that important to any of them?

Because they had fundamental policy differences.

Btexit was an important issue but it was a general election not a 2nd Brexit vote.

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By *ooljoeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

Brexit + Uncertainty + Covid -19 = F**k Knows??

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I am with the guy that thinks we should have gone the sweden route

if someone mentions sweden as a positive i swear i am going to scream...

Why are people wanting to compare Sweden to the UK (when the UK response has been woeful at best!) when it would be more reasonable to compare sweden to it other "Scandi" neighbours...

so compare it to norway, denmark, finland and iceland.... and see how Sweden stands out there!!

i am guessing because it doesn't suit the narrative people are trying to push.....

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By *arksxMan
over a year ago

Leicester / London

Actually 14% decline this year with a reversal of +15% next year.

It took 3 years to reach the same level after the 2009 crash. So I'm guessing 10 years for this one.

Plus the Brexit effect. Which will leave us lagging being everyone else in the world. It will be more than 10 years

The suggestion is that developed countries will se a v shaped recovery.

Yeah maybe in a economic text book...

Economies world wide wide are being propped up by trillions in qe.

(money printing)

And a banning of shorting of shares

Debt markets are being rocked across the globe.

(this is what triggered the 08 crisis)

Any debt that is not of the highest grade is already rated as a junk bond.

08 is gonna look like a storm in tea cup next to this.

The shit is gonna hit the fan before June. Unemployment will easily spike above 10%.

None of this even factors in brexit which the uk government has clearly choosen to crash out of with a no deal by thr end of the year.

Corona virus is gonna be their get of jail card for all economic fuck ups they have made.

You seem to confus my post about facts as my personal opinions.

I agree with you and these political slogans like "making it for ourselves" brainwash the general public into policy that support the uber wealthy.

There are numerous posts on here backing bailouts for wealthy company owners like Richard Branson.

I also agree the current government are shite.

But markets and companies had decided that if Jeremy Corbyn came into power markets would tank.

And I don't blame them, he has ridiculous ideas about sending the uk back to the 60s de privatising industry.

What we need is moderate middle ground party with a clear economic plan to get us out of this shit. Not far left and right groups talking about the uk like history book

Thats exactly how new Labour came into power and the last time we had a government come into power with a clear majority and sound economic plan.

Blair and brown had their problems but I'd take them over any of the half baked shite we have had since they left....

its been a rotating cavalcade of the bullingdon boys bullshit.

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over a year ago

Actually 14% decline this year with a reversal of +15% next year.

It took 3 years to reach the same level after the 2009 crash. So I'm guessing 10 years for this one.

Plus the Brexit effect. Which will leave us lagging being everyone else in the world. It will be more than 10 years

The suggestion is that developed countries will se a v shaped recovery.

Yeah maybe in a economic text book...

Economies world wide wide are being propped up by trillions in qe.

(money printing)

And a banning of shorting of shares

Debt markets are being rocked across the globe.

(this is what triggered the 08 crisis)

Any debt that is not of the highest grade is already rated as a junk bond.

08 is gonna look like a storm in tea cup next to this.

The shit is gonna hit the fan before June. Unemployment will easily spike above 10%.

None of this even factors in brexit which the uk government has clearly choosen to crash out of with a no deal by thr end of the year.

Corona virus is gonna be their get of jail card for all economic fuck ups they have made.

You seem to confus my post about facts as my personal opinions.

I agree with you and these political slogans like "making it for ourselves" brainwash the general public into policy that support the uber wealthy.

There are numerous posts on here backing bailouts for wealthy company owners like Richard Branson.

I also agree the current government are shite.

But markets and companies had decided that if Jeremy Corbyn came into power markets would tank.

And I don't blame them, he has ridiculous ideas about sending the uk back to the 60s de privatising industry.

What we need is moderate middle ground party with a clear economic plan to get us out of this shit. Not far left and right groups talking about the uk like history book

Thats exactly how new Labour came into power and the last time we had a government come into power with a clear majority and sound economic plan.

Blair and brown had their problems but I'd take them over any of the half baked shite we have had since they left....

its been a rotating cavalcade of the bullingdon boys bullshit.

Totally get ya.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Actually 14% decline this year with a reversal of +15% next year.

It took 3 years to reach the same level after the 2009 crash. So I'm guessing 10 years for this one.

Plus the Brexit effect. Which will leave us lagging being everyone else in the world. It will be more than 10 years

The suggestion is that developed countries will se a v shaped recovery.

Yeah maybe in a economic text book...

Economies world wide wide are being propped up by trillions in qe.

(money printing)

And a banning of shorting of shares

Debt markets are being rocked across the globe.

(this is what triggered the 08 crisis)

Any debt that is not of the highest grade is already rated as a junk bond.

08 is gonna look like a storm in tea cup next to this.

The shit is gonna hit the fan before June. Unemployment will easily spike above 10%.

None of this even factors in brexit which the uk government has clearly choosen to crash out of with a no deal by thr end of the year.

Corona virus is gonna be their get of jail card for all economic fuck ups they have made.

You seem to confus my post about facts as my personal opinions.

I agree with you and these political slogans like "making it for ourselves" brainwash the general public into policy that support the uber wealthy.

There are numerous posts on here backing bailouts for wealthy company owners like Richard Branson.

I also agree the current government are shite.

But markets and companies had decided that if Jeremy Corbyn came into power markets would tank.

And I don't blame them, he has ridiculous ideas about sending the uk back to the 60s de privatising industry.

What we need is moderate middle ground party with a clear economic plan to get us out of this shit. Not far left and right groups talking about the uk like history book

Thats exactly how new Labour came into power and the last time we had a government come into power with a clear majority and sound economic plan.

Blair and brown had their problems but I'd take them over any of the half baked shite we have had since they left....

its been a rotating cavalcade of the bullingdon boys bullshit.

Re nationalising industries makes perfect sense.

What's the logic in foreign companies having train franchises for example where all the profits go out the country.

New labour resulted in massive disenfranchisement which concluded with brexit and the most right party conservative party we have seen in decades.

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

How callous can you be!"

What is callous about recognising reality?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

How callous can you be!

What is callous about recognising reality? "

Letting old people just die and shrugging your shoulders is fairly callous imo.

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By *arksxMan
over a year ago

Leicester / London

For the smae reasons they were sold of in the first place... Competition.

It doesn't mean everything should be privatised. And train operators already in everything but name been nationalised since the virus.

This is what I mean been a moderate government. One that doesn't make sweeping left or right decisions.

And brexit was triggered by the Conservatives not Labour.

And the Labour that left office was not the new Labour that came into power.

Everything in life moves in cycles... We are due a rebalance and moderation will come back into vogue.

It's unlikely that will be the Conservatives so we can assume it will be labour or a new party.

Anything is better than the shit we are offered amongst all the mainstream and fringe far left and right party we have now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually 14% decline this year with a reversal of +15% next year.

It took 3 years to reach the same level after the 2009 crash. So I'm guessing 10 years for this one.

Plus the Brexit effect. Which will leave us lagging being everyone else in the world. It will be more than 10 years

The suggestion is that developed countries will se a v shaped recovery.

Yeah maybe in a economic text book...

Economies world wide wide are being propped up by trillions in qe.

(money printing)

And a banning of shorting of shares

Debt markets are being rocked across the globe.

(this is what triggered the 08 crisis)

Any debt that is not of the highest grade is already rated as a junk bond.

08 is gonna look like a storm in tea cup next to this.

The shit is gonna hit the fan before June. Unemployment will easily spike above 10%.

None of this even factors in brexit which the uk government has clearly choosen to crash out of with a no deal by thr end of the year.

Corona virus is gonna be their get of jail card for all economic fuck ups they have made.

This thread is about economic collapse. Of course Brexit is relevant. It hasn't magically gone away, the billions we've already flushed away on it haven't magically reappeared.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What will this do to the price of Freddo bars?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

How callous can you be!

What is callous about recognising reality?

Letting old people just die and shrugging your shoulders is fairly callous imo."

but its for the greater good... do you not realise that by now!!!!

I am sure they would happily sacrifice a child or two for the cause!!!!

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

How callous can you be!

What is callous about recognising reality?

Letting old people just die and shrugging your shoulders is fairly callous imo."

Old people tend to die at much higher rates than young people - it's just a fact of life

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"For the smae reasons they were sold of in the first place... Competition.

It doesn't mean everything should be privatised. And train operators already in everything but name been nationalised since the virus.

This is what I mean been a moderate government. One that doesn't make sweeping left or right decisions.

And brexit was triggered by the Conservatives not Labour.

And the Labour that left office was not the new Labour that came into power.

Everything in life moves in cycles... We are due a rebalance and moderation will come back into vogue.

It's unlikely that will be the Conservatives so we can assume it will be labour or a new party.

Anything is better than the shit we are offered amongst all the mainstream and fringe far left and right party we have now"

But everything has been privatised.Thatcher saw to that.

Re nationalisation makes perfect sense.

New labour ignored big chunks of northern england..as a protest Tory voted en Masse for brexit.yes it was Tory mess but that certainly didnt help.

Labour under corbyn was no where far left.That just goes to show how far we have lurched to the right in this country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What will this do to the price of Freddo bars?"

There's a virus pandemic on at the moment. It's impacting economic factors around the world. Every country is impacted.

This thread is discussing it.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

How callous can you be!

What is callous about recognising reality?

Letting old people just die and shrugging your shoulders is fairly callous imo.

Old people tend to die at much higher rates than young people - it's just a fact of life"

Off course they do.

Actually encouraging this to happen is inhumane.

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

How callous can you be!

What is callous about recognising reality?

Letting old people just die and shrugging your shoulders is fairly callous imo.

Old people tend to die at much higher rates than young people - it's just a fact of life

Off course they do.

Actually encouraging this to happen is inhumane."

I'm not encouraging it I'm suggesting it will happen with our without lockdown

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

How callous can you be!

What is callous about recognising reality?

Letting old people just die and shrugging your shoulders is fairly callous imo.

Old people tend to die at much higher rates than young people - it's just a fact of life

Off course they do.

Actually encouraging this to happen is inhumane.

I'm not encouraging it I'm suggesting it will happen with our without lockdown"

The poster you quoted did.

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

How callous can you be!

What is callous about recognising reality?

Letting old people just die and shrugging your shoulders is fairly callous imo.

Old people tend to die at much higher rates than young people - it's just a fact of life

Off course they do.

Actually encouraging this to happen is inhumane."

I’m glad you think so. It’s ironic how not that long ago proponents for a 2nd referendum were arguing the deaths of Brexit voting gammon as a positive for their cause

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How callous can you be!

What is callous about recognising reality?

Letting old people just die and shrugging your shoulders is fairly callous imo.

Old people tend to die at much higher rates than young people - it's just a fact of life

Off course they do.

Actually encouraging this to happen is inhumane.

I’m glad you think so. It’s ironic how not that long ago proponents for a 2nd referendum were arguing the deaths of Brexit voting gammon as a positive for their cause "

What? Who argued for people to die to further their cause?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

How callous can you be!

What is callous about recognising reality?

Letting old people just die and shrugging your shoulders is fairly callous imo.

Old people tend to die at much higher rates than young people - it's just a fact of life

Off course they do.

Actually encouraging this to happen is inhumane.

I’m glad you think so. It’s ironic how not that long ago proponents for a 2nd referendum were arguing the deaths of Brexit voting gammon as a positive for their cause "

What's that gotta do with me.?

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By *arksxMan
over a year ago

Leicester / London

"For the smae reasons they were sold of in the first place... Competition.

It doesn't mean everything should be privatised. And train operators already in everything but name been nationalised since the virus.

This is what I mean been a moderate government. One that doesn't make sweeping left or right decisions.

And brexit was triggered by the Conservatives not Labour.

And the Labour that left office was not the new Labour that came into power.

Everything in life moves in cycles... We are due a rebalance and moderation will come back into vogue.

It's unlikely that will be the Conservatives so we can assume it will be labour or a new party.

Anything is better than the shit we are offered amongst all the mainstream and fringe far left and right party we have now

But everything has been privatised.Thatcher saw to that.

Re nationalisation makes perfect sense.

New labour ignored big chunks of northern england..as a protest Tory voted en Masse for brexit.yes it was Tory mess but that certainly didnt help.

Labour under corbyn was no where far left.That just goes to show how far we have lurched to the right in this country."

Corbyn isnt far left?

Even his clothes are frlm the 70s

You take about profits from private companies being taken out of this country what about the taxes they pay the workers they employ.

The tax those workers pay.

Go have a look as percentage how much profit these companies make.

Most of the train operators can turn a profit.

The energy sector in the uk is full of m and a activity Becuase big companies can't turn a profit.

Economies don't run on big companies paying tax.

They run on prosperous citizens stimulating the economy.

None of that negates anyone's obligation to pay tax or to say everythj g should be privatised.

Again it requires moderation and corbyn was definitely not a moderate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The last global crisis resulted in a economic reset. WW2 plunged everything to deep so a lot was written off and reset. It is sheer stupidity to let people suffer when agreement to under pin or reset finances would help.

Just reset it to what it was like before this happened. Money is man made after all. Yet greedy people won't allow it. The system of money is everything is seriously flawed as this year has proven.

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

How callous can you be!

What is callous about recognising reality?

Letting old people just die and shrugging your shoulders is fairly callous imo.

Old people tend to die at much higher rates than young people - it's just a fact of life

Off course they do.

Actually encouraging this to happen is inhumane.

I’m glad you think so. It’s ironic how not that long ago proponents for a 2nd referendum were arguing the deaths of Brexit voting gammon as a positive for their cause

What? Who argued for people to die to further their cause?"

Nobody, re read what I said

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over a year ago

"For the smae reasons they were sold of in the first place... Competition.

It doesn't mean everything should be privatised. And train operators already in everything but name been nationalised since the virus.

This is what I mean been a moderate government. One that doesn't make sweeping left or right decisions.

And brexit was triggered by the Conservatives not Labour.

And the Labour that left office was not the new Labour that came into power.

Everything in life moves in cycles... We are due a rebalance and moderation will come back into vogue.

It's unlikely that will be the Conservatives so we can assume it will be labour or a new party.

Anything is better than the shit we are offered amongst all the mainstream and fringe far left and right party we have now

But everything has been privatised.Thatcher saw to that.

Re nationalisation makes perfect sense.

New labour ignored big chunks of northern england..as a protest Tory voted en Masse for brexit.yes it was Tory mess but that certainly didnt help.

Labour under corbyn was no where far left.That just goes to show how far we have lurched to the right in this country.

Corbyn isnt far left?

Even his clothes are frlm the 70s

You take about profits from private companies being taken out of this country what about the taxes they pay the workers they employ.

The tax those workers pay.

Go have a look as percentage how much profit these companies make.

Most of the train operators can turn a profit.

The energy sector in the uk is full of m and a activity Becuase big companies can't turn a profit.

Economies don't run on big companies paying tax.

They run on prosperous citizens stimulating the economy.

None of that negates anyone's obligation to pay tax or to say everythj g should be privatised.

Again it requires moderation and corbyn was definitely not a moderate "

Lionel said it somewhere.

The right have done such a good job convincing people to argue and vote against their own interests. Hats off to them. - I'm paraphrasing.

Personally, I think corporations should pay their fair share of tax. And should be nailed for tax avoidance schemes.

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over a year ago

"The last global crisis resulted in a economic reset. WW2 plunged everything to deep so a lot was written off and reset. It is sheer stupidity to let people suffer when agreement to under pin or reset finances would help.

Just reset it to what it was like before this happened. Money is man made after all. Yet greedy people won't allow it. The system of money is everything is seriously flawed as this year has proven. "

It will never happen now. The rich have too tight a grip on things. And people vote exactly as they're told to.

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

How callous can you be!

What is callous about recognising reality?

Letting old people just die and shrugging your shoulders is fairly callous imo.

Old people tend to die at much higher rates than young people - it's just a fact of life

Off course they do.

Actually encouraging this to happen is inhumane.

I’m glad you think so. It’s ironic how not that long ago proponents for a 2nd referendum were arguing the deaths of Brexit voting gammon as a positive for their cause

What's that gotta do with me.?"

Everything. Things aren’t always black and white as I’m prone to highlighting

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By *ounty durham bbw coupleCouple
over a year ago

darlington

Just reset it to what it was like before this happened. Money is man made after all. Yet greedy people won't allow it. The system of money is everything is seriously flawed as this year has proven. "
after world war two we created the NHS and invested massively in infrastructure road building rebuilding slum areas which isn't going to happen here so job creation won't happen the same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How callous can you be!

What is callous about recognising reality?

Letting old people just die and shrugging your shoulders is fairly callous imo.

Old people tend to die at much higher rates than young people - it's just a fact of life

Off course they do.

Actually encouraging this to happen is inhumane.

I’m glad you think so. It’s ironic how not that long ago proponents for a 2nd referendum were arguing the deaths of Brexit voting gammon as a positive for their cause

What? Who argued for people to die to further their cause?

Nobody, re read what I said "

You suggested someone did. I assumed you were talking about someone in the media.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just reset it to what it was like before this happened. Money is man made after all. Yet greedy people won't allow it. The system of money is everything is seriously flawed as this year has proven. after world war two we created the NHS and invested massively in infrastructure road building rebuilding slum areas which isn't going to happen here so job creation won't happen the same "

Actually the exact opposite is happening now.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"For the smae reasons they were sold of in the first place... Competition.

It doesn't mean everything should be privatised. And train operators already in everything but name been nationalised since the virus.

This is what I mean been a moderate government. One that doesn't make sweeping left or right decisions.

And brexit was triggered by the Conservatives not Labour.

And the Labour that left office was not the new Labour that came into power.

Everything in life moves in cycles... We are due a rebalance and moderation will come back into vogue.

It's unlikely that will be the Conservatives so we can assume it will be labour or a new party.

Anything is better than the shit we are offered amongst all the mainstream and fringe far left and right party we have now

But everything has been privatised.Thatcher saw to that.

Re nationalisation makes perfect sense.

New labour ignored big chunks of northern england..as a protest Tory voted en Masse for brexit.yes it was Tory mess but that certainly didnt help.

Labour under corbyn was no where far left.That just goes to show how far we have lurched to the right in this country.

Corbyn isnt far left?

Even his clothes are frlm the 70s

You take about profits from private companies being taken out of this country what about the taxes they pay the workers they employ.

The tax those workers pay.

Go have a look as percentage how much profit these companies make.

Most of the train operators can turn a profit.

The energy sector in the uk is full of m and a activity Becuase big companies can't turn a profit.

Economies don't run on big companies paying tax.

They run on prosperous citizens stimulating the economy.

None of that negates anyone's obligation to pay tax or to say everythj g should be privatised.

Again it requires moderation and corbyn was definitely not a moderate "

I havent seen iota of evidence there that corbyn was far left there apart from his dress sense .

Even the tories have had to rationalise a line because it was being ran so poorly.

If we owned it there would be no shareholders to appease..the profits would could back there and it would still employ the same people who would pay the tax they are paying now.

I think rail was costed and it was estimated in 5 years which meant after that every penny made would give back into our economy.

I'm no expert but to meet that makes much more sense than a foreign owned company taking out all the money.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

How callous can you be!

What is callous about recognising reality?

Letting old people just die and shrugging your shoulders is fairly callous imo.

Old people tend to die at much higher rates than young people - it's just a fact of life

Off course they do.

Actually encouraging this to happen is inhumane.

I’m glad you think so. It’s ironic how not that long ago proponents for a 2nd referendum were arguing the deaths of Brexit voting gammon as a positive for their cause

What's that gotta do with me.?

Everything. Things aren’t always black and white as I’m prone to highlighting "

I didn't say it.

I've no idea who Said it.

I dont agree with it.

So yep everything to do with me.

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

How callous can you be!

What is callous about recognising reality?

Letting old people just die and shrugging your shoulders is fairly callous imo.

Old people tend to die at much higher rates than young people - it's just a fact of life

Off course they do.

Actually encouraging this to happen is inhumane.

I’m glad you think so. It’s ironic how not that long ago proponents for a 2nd referendum were arguing the deaths of Brexit voting gammon as a positive for their cause

What? Who argued for people to die to further their cause?

Nobody, re read what I said

You suggested someone did. I assumed you were talking about someone in the media."

What I suggested was one of the arguments for a 2nd referendum was that the demographic had changed because old (insert adjective) Brexit voters had died and a new breed of pro Europe teens were now eligible to vote and would redress the balance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How callous can you be!

What is callous about recognising reality?

Letting old people just die and shrugging your shoulders is fairly callous imo.

Old people tend to die at much higher rates than young people - it's just a fact of life

Off course they do.

Actually encouraging this to happen is inhumane.

I’m glad you think so. It’s ironic how not that long ago proponents for a 2nd referendum were arguing the deaths of Brexit voting gammon as a positive for their cause

What? Who argued for people to die to further their cause?

Nobody, re read what I said

You suggested someone did. I assumed you were talking about someone in the media.

Oh I see. Doesn't necessarily mean people saw it as a "positive for their cause". Just a factor based on voting habits.

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By *ames_LondonMan
over a year ago

Southgate

Why are people unable to have a balanced opinion these days? People will die from Coronavirus, people will die from an economic depression, it’s a case of finding the balance to minimise both. The people who promote complete lockdown or complete lifting are the most dangerous. No economy equals no tax money equals no public services or pensions equals more deaths. Let’s not go back to the 70’s when it was expected that people would die in their 70s.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why are people unable to have a balanced opinion these days? People will die from Coronavirus, people will die from an economic depression, it’s a case of finding the balance to minimise both. The people who promote complete lockdown or complete lifting are the most dangerous. No economy equals no tax money equals no public services or pensions equals more deaths. Let’s not go back to the 70’s when it was expected that people would die in their 70s. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suspect that the argument against a middle ground approach is that it could lead to a second spike. And an even more overwhelmed NHS.

The timing of a balanced solution would be critical.

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By *arksxMan
over a year ago

Leicester / London

"For the smae reasons they were sold of in the first place... Competition.

It doesn't mean everything should be privatised. And train operators already in everything but name been nationalised since the virus.

This is what I mean been a moderate government. One that doesn't make sweeping left or right decisions.

And brexit was triggered by the Conservatives not Labour.

And the Labour that left office was not the new Labour that came into power.

Everything in life moves in cycles... We are due a rebalance and moderation will come back into vogue.

It's unlikely that will be the Conservatives so we can assume it will be labour or a new party.

Anything is better than the shit we are offered amongst all the mainstream and fringe far left and right party we have now

But everything has been privatised.Thatcher saw to that.

Re nationalisation makes perfect sense.

New labour ignored big chunks of northern england..as a protest Tory voted en Masse for brexit.yes it was Tory mess but that certainly didnt help.

Labour under corbyn was no where far left.That just goes to show how far we have lurched to the right in this country.

Corbyn isnt far left?

Even his clothes are frlm the 70s

You take about profits from private companies being taken out of this country what about the taxes they pay the workers they employ.

The tax those workers pay.

Go have a look as percentage how much profit these companies make.

Most of the train operators can turn a profit.

The energy sector in the uk is full of m and a activity Becuase big companies can't turn a profit.

Economies don't run on big companies paying tax.

They run on prosperous citizens stimulating the economy.

None of that negates anyone's obligation to pay tax or to say everythj g should be privatised.

Again it requires moderation and corbyn was definitely not a moderate

I havent seen iota of evidence there that corbyn was far left there apart from his dress sense .

Even the tories have had to rationalise a line because it was being ran so poorly.

If we owned it there would be no shareholders to appease..the profits would could back there and it would still employ the same people who would pay the tax they are paying now.

I think rail was costed and it was estimated in 5 years which meant after that every penny made would give back into our economy.

I'm no expert but to meet that makes much more sense than a foreign owned company taking out all the money."

I'm glad you can with some humility.

The economic posts I've seen bring out some absolute nut jobs.

But hey this a swinging site not an economic forum.

I suggest you watch this and form your own opinions. It might make you revaluate what you think

https://youtu.be/PHe0bXAIuk0

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