FabSwingers.com forum: Breaking Ranks

By *tticusuk OP Man
over a year ago

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I do wonder how long it will take for one of the governments leading scientific advisors to break ranks and distance themselves from our cluster fuck covid response. Unlike Boris and his sociopathic chumps we unfortunately have to call our government the scientists must surely see at some point that they are being lined up at the alter for future sacrifice.

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What do you think the government should be doing but they're not?

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By *tticusuk OP Man
over a year ago

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"What do you think the government should be doing but they're not?"

First thing would be transparency.

I want to know why they have made the decisions in the way that they have. I dislike the fact everything is shrouded in secrecy. I am big enough and ugly enough to be told the truth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you are wrong. No government in the world could forsee how this would pan out. Some things are not in the public interest to be spread over the tabloids. They are doing a decent job despite the pitfalls. Leave them alone to get on with it. Enough said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When we have come through this, it will only be a matter of time before the government turns on the scientists. Will be there fault.

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach

"I think you are wrong. No government in the world could forsee how this would pan out. Some things are not in the public interest to be spread over the tabloids. They are doing a decent job despite the pitfalls. Leave them alone to get on with it. Enough said

No, our governments have had a pandemic at the top of the threats list for a long time. So yes they could foresee how this would pan out.

We have people with experience and knowledge in this country (they won awards for their work in Africa around dealing with ebola for example).

We have regularly run exercises to discover more about dealing with this sort of thing. We had the examples of the countries falling under Covid-19 before us.

With all of that, we have still managed to make the wrong decision at just about every point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you think the government should be doing but they're not?

First thing would be transparency.

I want to know why they have made the decisions in the way that they have. I dislike the fact everything is shrouded in secrecy. I am big enough and ugly enough to be told the truth."

Then blame the media for asking the same dumbfuck questions every day at the press conference

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I do wonder how long it will take for one of the governments leading scientific advisors to break ranks and distance themselves from our cluster fuck covid response. Unlike Boris and his sociopathic chumps we unfortunately have to call our government the scientists must surely see at some point that they are being lined up at the alter for future sacrifice.

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out."

A lot of scientists have already disagreed with them.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out."

labour voter by any chance lol wow u lot are just as laughable as tory voters

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Neil Ferguson has already "bailed"... perhaps more by accident than design...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out.

labour voter by any chance lol wow u lot are just as laughable as tory voters"

Did you vote?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out.

labour voter by any chance lol wow u lot are just as laughable as tory voters"

I think it is the virus that is having a good ole laugh at us. It is running rings round us and doing it's thang. Replicating.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out.

labour voter by any chance lol wow u lot are just as laughable as tory voters

Did you vote?"

did i fuck.havent voted since the early 90s and have no plans on that changing.vote for one pile of dog shit over qnother pile of dogshit.no thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out.

labour voter by any chance lol wow u lot are just as laughable as tory voters

Did you vote?

did i fuck.havent voted since the early 90s and have no plans on that changing.vote for one pile of dog shit over qnother pile of dogshit.no thanks

You dont vote yet judge those who do .!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out.

labour voter by any chance lol wow u lot are just as laughable as tory voters

Did you vote?

did i fuck.havent voted since the early 90s and have no plans on that changing.vote for one pile of dog shit over qnother pile of dogshit.no thanks

I am the same, they are all self serving pigs with their snouts in the trough regardless what party they belong to every mp is the same.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out."
Your so smart you must know better then

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

ni i just think its funny hiw tiry and labour viters are.lets face it if the torys had played a blinder labour voters would still whinge same way torys would if labour had been running the show and played a blinder.why dont the op just be hinest and have a anti tory rant.nothing to do with virus.christ it sounds like he thinks there trying to wipe the uk out.im off now to laugh at other sheep.see ya later sweethearts xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ni i just think its funny hiw tiry and labour viters are.lets face it if the torys had played a blinder labour voters would still whinge same way torys would if labour had been running the show and played a blinder.why dont the op just be hinest and have a anti tory rant.nothing to do with virus.christ it sounds like he thinks there trying to wipe the uk out.im off now to laugh at other sheep.see ya later sweethearts xx"

Come off it...if as you say your neutral in this surely you can see that the handling of this will go down as the biggest fuckup in history given the notice we had.

It's not about who you voted for. It the fact the rest of the world are astounded in the way we dealt with it.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"What do you think the government should be doing but they're not?

First thing would be transparency.

I want to know why they have made the decisions in the way that they have. I dislike the fact everything is shrouded in secrecy. I am big enough and ugly enough to be told the truth."

Ok. You are a prat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out.

labour voter by any chance lol wow u lot are just as laughable as tory voters

Did you vote?

did i fuck.havent voted since the early 90s and have no plans on that changing.vote for one pile of dog shit over qnother pile of dogshit.no thanks

Your opinion matters not. Sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you think the government should be doing but they're not?

First thing would be transparency.

I want to know why they have made the decisions in the way that they have. I dislike the fact everything is shrouded in secrecy. I am big enough and ugly enough to be told the truth.

Then blame the media for asking the same dumbfuck questions every day at the press conference

You don't have to wait until you're asked to tell the truth you know, you can just come out and say it.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"When we have come through this, it will only be a matter of time before the government turns on the scientists. Will be there fault."

I don't think I agree with you this time... It will rumble on for a couple of years.. Most people will be past caring by then.. only the Alf Garnett types will harp on.. and nobody will listen to them...

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out.

labour voter by any chance lol wow u lot are just as laughable as tory voters

Did you vote?

did i fuck.havent voted since the early 90s and have no plans on that changing.vote for one pile of dog shit over qnother pile of dogshit.no thanks

Your opinion matters not. Sorry"

and guess what your on a swingers forum so your opinion matters not just the same as mine.or are you better than me?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Come off it...if as you say your neutral in this surely you can see that the handling of this will go down as the biggest fuckup in history given the notice we had.

It's not about who you voted for. It the fact the rest of the world are astounded in the way we dealt with it."

There are quite a few people who are 'neutral' and don't support any political party who seem to bristle at any criticism of the government, and a few who think they are clever and are 'not judging, just asking questions' yet never seem to ask questions of those who support the government.

Not judging, just making an observation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out.

labour voter by any chance lol wow u lot are just as laughable as tory voters

Did you vote?

did i fuck.havent voted since the early 90s and have no plans on that changing.vote for one pile of dog shit over qnother pile of dogshit.no thanks

Your opinion matters not. Sorry"

Aa if the Government are going to listen to Jack and Bella from the swingers site

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

Come off it...if as you say your neutral in this surely you can see that the handling of this will go down as the biggest fuckup in history given the notice we had.

It's not about who you voted for. It the fact the rest of the world are astounded in the way we dealt with it."

the rest of the world are astounded eh and you know this how? just your opinion like its just my opunion there is no difference between one pile of dogshit running the country than the other pile of dogshit.oh i get it if peeps dont agree with u they are wrong its all opinions and nothing else.who knew all the same brexit experts on here are now virus experts im surprised your heads are big enough to hold all this information lol

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The same people who are complaining about the government now for inactivity are the same people who would have complained if their beloved Cheltenham Festival had been cancelled, or their flights, or their holidays or their Stereophonics concert..

They would have said.. why did the government do this. It was an over reaction. Hardly anyone in the UK was affected by the virus.. Moaners will moan regardless..

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"Come off it...if as you say your neutral in this surely you can see that the handling of this will go down as the biggest fuckup in history given the notice we had.

It's not about who you voted for. It the fact the rest of the world are astounded in the way we dealt with it.

Not judging, just making an observation."

really?if it was labour running the contry id dig out any torys bitching about them.but that dont suit your point of view so im siding with torys.im not the one who throws my hat in with a political party then becomes tribal about it.imm surprised the gov hasnt been on here yet to ask fir advice about what to do.who knew all the experts were on fab

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Come off it...if as you say your neutral in this surely you can see that the handling of this will go down as the biggest fuckup in history given the notice we had.

It's not about who you voted for. It the fact the rest of the world are astounded in the way we dealt with it.

Not judging, just making an observation.

I dunno .... seems like Neil Ferguson’s girlfriend was in an open marriage so it’s possible!.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out.

labour voter by any chance lol wow u lot are just as laughable as tory voters

Did you vote?

did i fuck.havent voted since the early 90s and have no plans on that changing.vote for one pile of dog shit over qnother pile of dogshit.no thanks

Your opinion matters not. Sorry

Aa if the Government are going to listen to Jack and Bella from the swingers site

I for one listen to the Westcliffs.. They are voters who do make a difference at the ballot box. People who don't vote have the right to moan and the right not to vote but as with voting which comes with responsibility I think they should moan with respondibility.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Come off it...if as you say your neutral in this surely you can see that the handling of this will go down as the biggest fuckup in history given the notice we had.

It's not about who you voted for. It the fact the rest of the world are astounded in the way we dealt with it.

Not judging, just making an observation.

I dunno .... seems like Neil Ferguson’s girlfriend was in an open marriage so it’s possible!.

I thought she is a looker..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out.

labour voter by any chance lol wow u lot are just as laughable as tory voters

Did you vote?

did i fuck.havent voted since the early 90s and have no plans on that changing.vote for one pile of dog shit over qnother pile of dogshit.no thanks

Your opinion matters not. Sorry

Aa if the Government are going to listen to Jack and Bella from the swingers site

Doubt he will, but when people become aware they are being misled, we will see at the ballot box.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The same people who are complaining about the government now for inactivity are the same people who would have complained if their beloved Cheltenham Festival had been cancelled, or their flights, or their holidays or their Stereophonics concert..

They would have said.. why did the government do this. It was an over reaction. Hardly anyone in the UK was affected by the virus.. Moaners will moan regardless.."

That's completely inaccurate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Come off it...if as you say your neutral in this surely you can see that the handling of this will go down as the biggest fuckup in history given the notice we had.

It's not about who you voted for. It the fact the rest of the world are astounded in the way we dealt with it.

Not judging, just making an observation.

Try voting mate, we might listen to you then.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I might be wrong but when Nigel Farage visited Southend I was sure I saw Belle and Sebastian in the camera shot in the background. At least they are motivated to listen

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

They would have said.. why did the government do this. It was an over reaction. Hardly anyone in the UK was affected by the virus.. Moaners will moan regardless..

That's completely inaccurate."

Not you again !

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Scientists should do the science bit , leaders then need to make and be accoubtable for the decisions. There’s more to making the decisions than the science

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I might be wrong but when Nigel Farage visited Southend I was sure I saw Belle and Sebastian in the camera shot in the background. At least they are motivated to listen "

I agreed with Nige for once. At the beginning, he said we were not doing enough.

Yeah,he came down. I bought him a 99 and we had a game of Crazy Golf!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They would have said.. why did the government do this. It was an over reaction. Hardly anyone in the UK was affected by the virus.. Moaners will moan regardless.."

It's a lovely straw man that you've built but a straw man all the same. It's simple, it's convenient, it's hard to argue with but is has no basis in fact.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"Come off it...if as you say your neutral in this surely you can see that the handling of this will go down as the biggest fuckup in history given the notice we had.

It's not about who you voted for. It the fact the rest of the world are astounded in the way we dealt with it.

Not judging, just making an observation.

Try voting mate, we might listen to you then.

ah right so if you dont vite your not allowed a point of view eh.gotcha.so im less of a member of the uk than you are

and you think mosy peeps on here listen to you haha the usual suspects mainly but thats about it

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"I might be wrong but when Nigel Farage visited Southend I was sure I saw Belle and Sebastian in the camera shot in the background. At least they are motivated to listen

I agreed with Nige for once. At the beginning, he said we were not doing enough.

Yeah,he came down. I bought him a 99 and we had a game of Crazy Golf!!"

The man who invented the ice cream cone with a flake sadly passed away from Covid. He was 99

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Farage on LBC and many others asked why flights from Italy were arriving unchecked from Italy. I said that the Peoples needed to Wake Up but was ridiculed for it. Some of those are now the hindsight police ...

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

The man who invented the ice cream cone with a flake sadly passed away from Covid. He was 99"

It's a shame it's happened during lockdown. Otherwise there would have been hundreds and thousands at the funeral.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

They would have said.. why did the government do this. It was an over reaction. Hardly anyone in the UK was affected by the virus.. Moaners will moan regardless..

That's completely inaccurate.

Not you again !"

Cant stay away

You are wrong though.

Just because you think it's a shit show doesn't mean you think they should have acted sooner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I might be wrong but when Nigel Farage visited Southend I was sure I saw Belle and Sebastian in the camera shot in the background. At least they are motivated to listen

I agreed with Nige for once. At the beginning, he said we were not doing enough.

Yeah,he came down. I bought him a 99 and we had a game of Crazy Golf!!

The man who invented the ice cream cone with a flake sadly passed away from Covid. He was 99"

He is here all week folks....

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By *had MichaelMichaelsMan
over a year ago

tobermore

Think we needed transparency from the Chinese...

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

They would have said.. why did the government do this. It was an over reaction. Hardly anyone in the UK was affected by the virus.. Moaners will moan regardless..

That's completely inaccurate.

Not you again !

Cant stay away

You are wrong though.

Just because you think it's a shit show doesn't mean you think they should have acted sooner.

Correct. I did not say I think that

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Think we needed transparency from the Chinese..."

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The man who invented the ice cream cone with a flake sadly passed away from Covid. He was 99

It's a shame it's happened during lockdown. Otherwise there would have been hundreds and thousands at the funeral."

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By *uysx2Couple (MM)
over a year ago

Birmingham

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out."

What a load of wank!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Come off it...if as you say your neutral in this surely you can see that the handling of this will go down as the biggest fuckup in history given the notice we had.

It's not about who you voted for. It the fact the rest of the world are astounded in the way we dealt with it.

Not judging, just making an observation."

The government done far more then I expected with the furlough.

There you go a good word for them...but it's the only thing they have done well on through this

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Can people please answer the question rather than turn it into a you voted this, you voted that. It is getting tedious when every thread turns into this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think we needed transparency from the Chinese..."

We got it from the Italians and that made no difference, why do you think it would've been different with the Chinese?

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

To the OP, I think a couple already are, now whether that is because the advice they gave wasn't the right advice or that the Government went against it

None of us really know yet and maybe never will

To the other comment of no one would be prepared for a pandemic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cygnus

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"To the OP, I think a couple already are, now whether that is because the advice they gave wasn't the right advice or that the Government went against it

None of us really know yet and maybe never will

To the other comment of no one would be prepared for a pandemic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cygnus

Operation Cygnus was a simulation exercise into the impact of a flu pandemic. By some accounts the results were too terrifying to reveal.

Every 6 months at work we have a fire evacuation simulation and everyone walks down the stairs in an orderly fashion and goes where they should. How do you think we would react if the place was ablaze?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The man who invented the ice cream cone with a flake sadly passed away from Covid. He was 99

It's a shame it's happened during lockdown. Otherwise there would have been hundreds and thousands at the funeral."

Or maybe he covered himself in nuts and raspberry sauce and topped himself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The man who invented the ice cream cone with a flake sadly passed away from Covid. He was 99

It's a shame it's happened during lockdown. Otherwise there would have been hundreds and thousands at the funeral.

Or maybe he covered himself in nuts and raspberry sauce and topped himself."

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"To the OP, I think a couple already are, now whether that is because the advice they gave wasn't the right advice or that the Government went against it

None of us really know yet and maybe never will

To the other comment of no one would be prepared for a pandemic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cygnus

Operation Cygnus was a simulation exercise into the impact of a flu pandemic. By some accounts the results were too terrifying to reveal.

Agreed, a simulated exercise is nowhere near the reality when people are actually dying.

I think the government have made mistakes but I also think they've done a good job saving companies and jobs.

I don't think the scientists will jump ship or get blamed for anything. They haven't made any decisions.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

"To the OP, I think a couple already are, now whether that is because the advice they gave wasn't the right advice or that the Government went against it

None of us really know yet and maybe never will

To the other comment of no one would be prepared for a pandemic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cygnus

Operation Cygnus was a simulation exercise into the impact of a flu pandemic. By some accounts the results were too terrifying to reveal.

I would say a blaze most people would panic, including me. I don't think that is a great comparison though as this pandemic would be more measured than getting everyone out of a fire before they burn to death.

If the Cygnet exercise panned out so bad then hopefully they will have learnt from it, but we won't know that as they didn't and won't make it public.

For me , I think they must have had some idea of how they were going to deal with this as a lot of things they did at the beginning couldn't have been brought out of thin air. I think they have helped keep people at home by the measures they have put in place money wise. However I also think there are some things that don't sit right, but, it is a moving target, things may change as they go along, none of us know what exactly is going on and if I am honest, I wouldn't want their job for a big clock but a bit more honesty and transparency wouldn't hurt I don't think

I think people should be able to call any Government out if they don't think they are doing the right thing or they have cocked up on something and I think they would get a better reaction from people if they just hold their hands up and say so but I also hope they are doing the best they can in a difficult situation.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"To the OP, I think a couple already are, now whether that is because the advice they gave wasn't the right advice or that the Government went against it

None of us really know yet and maybe never will

To the other comment of no one would be prepared for a pandemic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cygnus

Operation Cygnus was a simulation exercise into the impact of a flu pandemic. By some accounts the results were too terrifying to reveal.

I'm not sure if that 1st paragraph makes sense.

If they were scared of causing alarm wouldnt they have done more to prepare?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"To the OP, I think a couple already are, now whether that is because the advice they gave wasn't the right advice or that the Government went against it

None of us really know yet and maybe never will

To the other comment of no one would be prepared for a pandemic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cygnus

Operation Cygnus was a simulation exercise into the impact of a flu pandemic. By some accounts the results were too terrifying to reveal.

Agreed, a simulated exercise is nowhere near the reality when people are actually dying.

I think the government have made mistakes but I also think they've done a good job saving companies and jobs.

I don't think the scientists will jump ship or get blamed for anything. They haven't made any decisions."

Out of cygnus came recommendations for preparedness, these once put to ministers/senior civil servants were sent back to be 'adjusted' which they were but even then it looks like what was suggested by the experts etc was only partially put in place..

There were other priorities for the present government at the time..

And yes I get that it could be said well we've not had one for a hundred years but there have been elsewhere epidemics from which lessons were learnt..

Essentially what will come out is we got some things right, the financial side by the chancellor being one but there have been mistakes and they are evident in lives lost and sadly more to come..

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

They also have preparedness plans for invasion by aliens but not sure if we will be ready due to cost.. mark my words if this ever happens then people will be moaning too..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"They also have preparedness plans for invasion by aliens but not sure if we will be ready due to cost.. mark my words if this ever happens then people will be moaning too.. "

They do?

Every day we learn eh..

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"They also have preparedness plans for invasion by aliens but not sure if we will be ready due to cost.. mark my words if this ever happens then people will be moaning too..

They do?

Every day we learn eh.. "

The international space station is there for a reason..

We will shortly be mining the moon for minerals and beyond..

The space station is our international warning system.

Our biggest threat might be from space

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"They also have preparedness plans for invasion by aliens but not sure if we will be ready due to cost.. mark my words if this ever happens then people will be moaning too..

They do?

Every day we learn eh..

The international space station is there for a reason..

We will shortly be mining the moon for minerals and beyond..

The space station is our international warning system.

Our biggest threat might be from space"

How do you feel about this impending threat?

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

We will shortly be mining the moon for minerals and beyond..

And going to work in flying cars.

Pie in the sky. We have all the minerals we need on earth, and it cost about $50,000 per gram to bring the rocks from the moon back to earth.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

No, our governments have had a pandemic at the top of the threats list for a long time. So yes they could foresee how this would pan out.

We have people with experience and knowledge in this country (they won awards for their work in Africa around dealing with ebola for example).

We have regularly run exercises to discover more about dealing with this sort of thing. We had the examples of the countries falling under Covid-19 before us.

With all of that, we have still managed to make the wrong decision at just about every point.

Where's the evidence to support that statement?

The reality is is that, although the government has got some things wrong (PPE, testing) it must also be doing quite a lot right as the NHS has not been overwhelmed and our death rate is about the same as most of Europe. In my opinion the government is handling this crisis pretty well and a lot better than I thought it would.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out.

labour voter by any chance lol wow u lot are just as laughable as tory voters"

This!

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By *quarerootMan
over a year ago

Helston

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

They’ll be plenty of time for a full enquiry once this crisis is over. Really grips my shit when all you hear is “why didn’t you do this.. or why didn’t you do that?”.... it’s in chartered waters... people think they can do better... become an MP then

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out.

labour voter by any chance lol wow u lot are just as laughable as tory voters

Did you vote?

did i fuck.havent voted since the early 90s and have no plans on that changing.vote for one pile of dog shit over qnother pile of dogshit.no thanks

I am the same, they are all self serving pigs with their snouts in the trough regardless what party they belong to every mp is the same."

They don't look the same to me. Some are men, some are women, some are white, some are black, some are asian, some work hard, some are lazy. How does that make them 'all the same'?

The 'there all the same' tag is only used by those who can't be arsed to put the effort into finding our the truth or those who's ideas are so way out that no one electable would ever suggest or back them.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"They also have preparedness plans for invasion by aliens but not sure if we will be ready due to cost.. mark my words if this ever happens then people will be moaning too..

They do?

Every day we learn eh..

The international space station is there for a reason..

We will shortly be mining the moon for minerals and beyond..

The space station is our international warning system.

Our biggest threat might be from space

How do you feel about this impending threat?

You know me. It's worrying !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are a in it for themselves.

The expenses scandal showed that .

I have never voted since.

I was disgusted by mps on all sides of the commons.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

Good luck with that enquiry

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out.

labour voter by any chance lol wow u lot are just as laughable as tory voters

Did you vote?

did i fuck.havent voted since the early 90s and have no plans on that changing.vote for one pile of dog shit over qnother pile of dogshit.no thanks

I am the same, they are all self serving pigs with their snouts in the trough regardless what party they belong to every mp is the same.

They don't look the same to me. Some are men, some are women, some are white, some are black, some are asian, some work hard, some are lazy. How does that make them 'all the same'?

The expenses scandal demonstrated to me everything I need to know...

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Come off it...if as you say your neutral in this surely you can see that the handling of this will go down as the biggest fuckup in history given the notice we had.

It's not about who you voted for. It the fact the rest of the world are astounded in the way we dealt with it."

I honestly don't think it will go down as the biggest fuck-up in history. If you actually analyse the numbers yourself you'll soon see that, while we're definitely not the best in the world, we're far from the worst and we're definitely not the worst so far in Europe.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

When the media were rightly holding Labour to account over the disgusting policy of sending guys out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds there was no backlash against them..

Why are they now 'Vile'?

I always will hold to the fact that one of the fundamental and central requirements of an open democracy is that those in power should be open to scrutiny and accountable..

To bin such things is to head down the not so pleasant path to regimes like Russia where journalists are murdered for daring to ask uncomfortable questions..

Just after that is living in North Korea or China..

Is that where people want to be?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"They are a in it for themselves.

The expenses scandal showed that .

I have never voted since.

I was disgusted by mps on all sides of the commons. "

What about the ones who did nothing wrong?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, our governments have had a pandemic at the top of the threats list for a long time. So yes they could foresee how this would pan out.

We have people with experience and knowledge in this country (they won awards for their work in Africa around dealing with ebola for example).

We have regularly run exercises to discover more about dealing with this sort of thing. We had the examples of the countries falling under Covid-19 before us.

With all of that, we have still managed to make the wrong decision at just about every point.

Where's the evidence to support that statement?

We'd say the same. There are plenty of banana skins ahead. One last night with that scientist bloke slipping over one.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Come off it...if as you say your neutral in this surely you can see that the handling of this will go down as the biggest fuckup in history given the notice we had.

It's not about who you voted for. It the fact the rest of the world are astounded in the way we dealt with it.

I thought we had the worst figs in Europe?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"They also have preparedness plans for invasion by aliens but not sure if we will be ready due to cost.. mark my words if this ever happens then people will be moaning too..

They do?

Every day we learn eh..

The international space station is there for a reason..

We will shortly be mining the moon for minerals and beyond..

The space station is our international warning system.

Our biggest threat might be from space

How do you feel about this impending threat?

You know me. It's worrying !"

They may not be like us so it could all be OK..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

No, our governments have had a pandemic at the top of the threats list for a long time. So yes they could foresee how this would pan out.

We have people with experience and knowledge in this country (they won awards for their work in Africa around dealing with ebola for example).

We have regularly run exercises to discover more about dealing with this sort of thing. We had the examples of the countries falling under Covid-19 before us.

With all of that, we have still managed to make the wrong decision at just about every point.

Where's the evidence to support that statement?

We'd say the same. There are plenty of banana skins ahead. One last night with that scientist bloke slipping over one. "

That happened a month ago..

The story was held back till today, one could almost surmise to keep the figures off the front pages..

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

They would have said.. why did the government do this. It was an over reaction. Hardly anyone in the UK was affected by the virus.. Moaners will moan regardless..

It's a lovely straw man that you've built but a straw man all the same. It's simple, it's convenient, it's hard to argue with but is has no basis in fact."

Well I'm going to stick my neck out and say I definitely would have said it was an over reaction if the government had introduced the lockdown sooner than it did. I'm still not totally convinced that ultimately this lockdown might not be causing more problems eventually more deaths than a less complete lockdown but with better Tracking, Isolating, Treating and Suppression.

Maybe they didn't do that because they didn't like acronym!

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

When the media were rightly holding Labour to account over the disgusting policy of sending guys out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds there was no backlash against them..

Why are they now 'Vile'?

I always will hold to the fact that one of the fundamental and central requirements of an open democracy is that those in power should be open to scrutiny and accountable..

To bin such things is to head down the not so pleasant path to regimes like Russia where journalists are murdered for daring to ask uncomfortable questions..

Just after that is living in North Korea or China..

Is that where people want to be? "

Scrutinizing is fine, but I think there's a time and a place for it. Mid crisis probably isn't the best time and continually posting the same negative stuff everyday isn't really achieving anything, it's causing upset and stress for many people. It's also not holding anybody account for any mistakes, it's just ranting.

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Come off it...if as you say your neutral in this surely you can see that the handling of this will go down as the biggest fuckup in history given the notice we had.

It's not about who you voted for. It the fact the rest of the world are astounded in the way we dealt with it.

I thought we had the worst figs in Europe?"

We that's statistics for you. However on deaths per million, which is a better measurement, that honour falls to Belgium.

But even Belgium is not statistically significantly different from most of Europe. We may end up with the highest death rate in Europe or we may not but currently our death rate does not significantly differ from France, Spain, Italy, Belgium or Europe generally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

When the media were rightly holding Labour to account over the disgusting policy of sending guys out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds there was no backlash against them..

Why are they now 'Vile'?

I always will hold to the fact that one of the fundamental and central requirements of an open democracy is that those in power should be open to scrutiny and accountable..

To bin such things is to head down the not so pleasant path to regimes like Russia where journalists are murdered for daring to ask uncomfortable questions..

Just after that is living in North Korea or China..

Is that where people want to be?

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody."

Sorry but I feel the government need to be held to account now. That is the time to question what is happening whilst a lot of people have needlessly died.

I would suggest if it is upsetting anyone that they avoid threads that might upset them.

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By *ixenhixCouple
over a year ago

colchester

Lets wait for the 'science' that locked us up to be reconsidered by the guy who recomended enforced isolation shall we.... Mr Neil Furguson.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/05/exclusive-government-scientist-neil-ferguson-resigns-breaking/

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By *ixenhixCouple
over a year ago

colchester

How about following their owwn scientific advice to remain in isolation

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"How about following their owwn scientific advice to remain in isolation

He's already had the virus.

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By *ixenhixCouple
over a year ago

colchester

"How about following their owwn scientific advice to remain in isolation

He's already had the virus."

She had said she visited him when her husband had symtoms of the virus. Thats the story......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

When the media were rightly holding Labour to account over the disgusting policy of sending guys out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds there was no backlash against them..

Why are they now 'Vile'?

I always will hold to the fact that one of the fundamental and central requirements of an open democracy is that those in power should be open to scrutiny and accountable..

To bin such things is to head down the not so pleasant path to regimes like Russia where journalists are murdered for daring to ask uncomfortable questions..

Just after that is living in North Korea or China..

Is that where people want to be?

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Sorry but I feel the government need to be held to account now. That is the time to question what is happening whilst a lot of people have needlessly died.

I would suggest if it is upsetting anyone that they avoid threads that might upset them."

The time to "hold the government to account" is absolutely not slap bang in the middle of one of the most serious situations to affect the globe in a century. All is does is serve to distract from the efforts to actually deal with the issue. Every time something is delayed because the time is taken up answering the same questions over and over again could be someone else dying. Deal with the situation now, then hold the inquisition. Even Labour have noticeably stopped lambasting the government at every single opportunity because they understand now is not the time and place. That does not mean their actions aren't being looked and and suggestions made if things need to be done differently, it just means the finger pointing and blaming helps no one and nothing right now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Come off it...if as you say your neutral in this surely you can see that the handling of this will go down as the biggest fuckup in history given the notice we had.

It's not about who you voted for. It the fact the rest of the world are astounded in the way we dealt with it.

I thought we had the worst figs in Europe?

We that's statistics for you. However on deaths per million, which is a better measurement, that honour falls to Belgium.

The death rate per 100,000 is significantly lower than Belgium 70.2 to 44.3 which is statistically significant, but unfortunately I just don’t get reassurance from knowing that we aren’t as bad as Belgium, or indeed Spain and Italy.

Why try and justify how badly the government has done by saying ‘well we’re only the third worst in Europe when Denmark and Germany’s deaths per 100k is less than a fifth of ours, Austria’s is less than a sixth and Slovenia’s is 10 times better?

Last time I checked not being the absolute worst was not a reason for celebration. People are rightly angry and rightly asking questions of the government because we are the 29th best in Europe at keeping or people alive. In the Eurovision Song Contest it’s fucking hilarious when we are 29th, but not so much when it’s our friends and family who are dying because of the negligence of the government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Every time something is delayed because the time is taken up answering the same questions over and over again could be someone else dying."

I’m not entirely sure what you think Dominic Raab does when he’s not in front of the cameras for an hour, but I can assure you that hour lost from whatever it is, is not slowing down the search for a cure.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

When the media were rightly holding Labour to account over the disgusting policy of sending guys out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds there was no backlash against them..

Why are they now 'Vile'?

I always will hold to the fact that one of the fundamental and central requirements of an open democracy is that those in power should be open to scrutiny and accountable..

To bin such things is to head down the not so pleasant path to regimes like Russia where journalists are murdered for daring to ask uncomfortable questions..

Just after that is living in North Korea or China..

Is that where people want to be?

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Sorry but I feel the government need to be held to account now. That is the time to question what is happening whilst a lot of people have needlessly died.

I would suggest if it is upsetting anyone that they avoid threads that might upset them.

Labour have been doing anything but lambasting them..quite the opposite in fact.Its only been the last few days starmer has started to begin to hold them too account.

The idea that journalists asking them questions is making the situation is frankly ludicrous.

I find it quite ironic we mock the Chinese for being so authoritarian but then ask why we havent got such a passive press.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

And if anyone is doing the finger pointing people should look at those handling the crises.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

When the media were rightly holding Labour to account over the disgusting policy of sending guys out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds there was no backlash against them..

Why are they now 'Vile'?

I always will hold to the fact that one of the fundamental and central requirements of an open democracy is that those in power should be open to scrutiny and accountable..

To bin such things is to head down the not so pleasant path to regimes like Russia where journalists are murdered for daring to ask uncomfortable questions..

Just after that is living in North Korea or China..

Is that where people want to be?

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Sorry but I feel the government need to be held to account now. That is the time to question what is happening whilst a lot of people have needlessly died.

I would suggest if it is upsetting anyone that they avoid threads that might upset them.

Can I asked what brought you to the thread?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

When the media were rightly holding Labour to account over the disgusting policy of sending guys out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds there was no backlash against them..

Why are they now 'Vile'?

I always will hold to the fact that one of the fundamental and central requirements of an open democracy is that those in power should be open to scrutiny and accountable..

To bin such things is to head down the not so pleasant path to regimes like Russia where journalists are murdered for daring to ask uncomfortable questions..

Just after that is living in North Korea or China..

Is that where people want to be?

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Sorry but I feel the government need to be held to account now. That is the time to question what is happening whilst a lot of people have needlessly died.

I would suggest if it is upsetting anyone that they avoid threads that might upset them.

Labour have been doing anything but lambasting them..quite the opposite in fact.Its only been the last few days starmer has started to begin to hold them too account.

The idea that journalists asking them questions is making the situation is frankly ludicrous.

I find it quite ironic we mock the Chinese for being so authoritarian but then ask why we havent got such a passive press.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

When the media were rightly holding Labour to account over the disgusting policy of sending guys out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds there was no backlash against them..

Why are they now 'Vile'?

I always will hold to the fact that one of the fundamental and central requirements of an open democracy is that those in power should be open to scrutiny and accountable..

To bin such things is to head down the not so pleasant path to regimes like Russia where journalists are murdered for daring to ask uncomfortable questions..

Just after that is living in North Korea or China..

Is that where people want to be?

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody."

Please do not take this the wrong way but if anything your reading on any forum is causing upset or stress then the answer to that lies with yourself..

This forum is only one if many and tbh it's just peoples opinions which is not worth stressing over and should not affect your own positivity..

Wish you well..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Please do not take this the wrong way but if anything your reading on any forum is causing upset or stress then the answer to that lies with yourself..

This forum is only one if many and tbh it's just peoples opinions which is not worth stressing over and should not affect your own positivity..

Wish you well.. "

That's about what I said...but you put it much more elegantly

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Please do not take this the wrong way but if anything your reading on any forum is causing upset or stress then the answer to that lies with yourself..

This forum is only one if many and tbh it's just peoples opinions which is not worth stressing over and should not affect your own positivity..

Wish you well..

That's about what I said...but you put it much more elegantly

Well there's a first..

Been called many things but never that..

Thank you

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

When the media were rightly holding Labour to account over the disgusting policy of sending guys out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds there was no backlash against them..

Why are they now 'Vile'?

I always will hold to the fact that one of the fundamental and central requirements of an open democracy is that those in power should be open to scrutiny and accountable..

To bin such things is to head down the not so pleasant path to regimes like Russia where journalists are murdered for daring to ask uncomfortable questions..

Just after that is living in North Korea or China..

Is that where people want to be?

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Please do not take this the wrong way but if anything your reading on any forum is causing upset or stress then the answer to that lies with yourself..

This forum is only one if many and tbh it's just peoples opinions which is not worth stressing over and should not affect your own positivity..

Wish you well.. "

It's not causing me stress, I've managed to stay pretty positive.

People saying we need to hold the government to account, what is posting the same stuff everyday actually doing? It's not holding anyone to account. I've asked this repeatedly and nobody will answer, what is it achieving?

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

When the media were rightly holding Labour to account over the disgusting policy of sending guys out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds there was no backlash against them..

Why are they now 'Vile'?

I always will hold to the fact that one of the fundamental and central requirements of an open democracy is that those in power should be open to scrutiny and accountable..

To bin such things is to head down the not so pleasant path to regimes like Russia where journalists are murdered for daring to ask uncomfortable questions..

Just after that is living in North Korea or China..

Is that where people want to be?

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Please do not take this the wrong way but if anything your reading on any forum is causing upset or stress then the answer to that lies with yourself..

This forum is only one if many and tbh it's just peoples opinions which is not worth stressing over and should not affect your own positivity..

Wish you well..

It's not causing me stress, I've managed to stay pretty positive.

The Truth, that is what it is achieving. The truth in the face of evasion, lies, failure of leadership and preparation. I think it was you on another thread that I asked if you wanted the truth or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

When the media were rightly holding Labour to account over the disgusting policy of sending guys out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds there was no backlash against them..

Why are they now 'Vile'?

I always will hold to the fact that one of the fundamental and central requirements of an open democracy is that those in power should be open to scrutiny and accountable..

To bin such things is to head down the not so pleasant path to regimes like Russia where journalists are murdered for daring to ask uncomfortable questions..

Just after that is living in North Korea or China..

Is that where people want to be?

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Please do not take this the wrong way but if anything your reading on any forum is causing upset or stress then the answer to that lies with yourself..

This forum is only one if many and tbh it's just peoples opinions which is not worth stressing over and should not affect your own positivity..

Wish you well..

It's not causing me stress, I've managed to stay pretty positive.

In a nutshell...we are all frustrated you in your way of thinking leave the government alone.

Then there are some of us who have been frustrated watching this all pan out to our worst fears as we were shouting to do things long before they were doing them.

So we are all sounding off to some extent...let's just hope all of us come through it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

When the media were rightly holding Labour to account over the disgusting policy of sending guys out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds there was no backlash against them..

Why are they now 'Vile'?

I always will hold to the fact that one of the fundamental and central requirements of an open democracy is that those in power should be open to scrutiny and accountable..

To bin such things is to head down the not so pleasant path to regimes like Russia where journalists are murdered for daring to ask uncomfortable questions..

Just after that is living in North Korea or China..

Is that where people want to be?

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Please do not take this the wrong way but if anything your reading on any forum is causing upset or stress then the answer to that lies with yourself..

This forum is only one if many and tbh it's just peoples opinions which is not worth stressing over and should not affect your own positivity..

Wish you well..

It's not causing me stress, I've managed to stay pretty positive.

the vast majority of the threads on here have absolutely nothing to do with the truth. They consist of carefully selected, edited and twisted statistics and opinions. All trying to support a political blame game that does nothing to help people understand the situation or help people who are dying.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

When the media were rightly holding Labour to account over the disgusting policy of sending guys out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds there was no backlash against them..

Why are they now 'Vile'?

I always will hold to the fact that one of the fundamental and central requirements of an open democracy is that those in power should be open to scrutiny and accountable..

To bin such things is to head down the not so pleasant path to regimes like Russia where journalists are murdered for daring to ask uncomfortable questions..

Just after that is living in North Korea or China..

Is that where people want to be?

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Please do not take this the wrong way but if anything your reading on any forum is causing upset or stress then the answer to that lies with yourself..

This forum is only one if many and tbh it's just peoples opinions which is not worth stressing over and should not affect your own positivity..

Wish you well..

It's not causing me stress, I've managed to stay pretty positive.

Is it though? Alot of what is posted is more media bullshit. Nobody except those in charge know the truth.

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over a year ago

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Please do not take this the wrong way but if anything your reading on any forum is causing upset or stress then the answer to that lies with yourself..

This forum is only one if many and tbh it's just peoples opinions which is not worth stressing over and should not affect your own positivity..

Wish you well..

That's about what I said...but you put it much more elegantly

Well there's a first..

Been called many things but never that..

Thank you"

Your welcome...by the way I took your advice and got in touch with the GP about calf.

Not good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

When the media were rightly holding Labour to account over the disgusting policy of sending guys out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds there was no backlash against them..

Why are they now 'Vile'?

I always will hold to the fact that one of the fundamental and central requirements of an open democracy is that those in power should be open to scrutiny and accountable..

To bin such things is to head down the not so pleasant path to regimes like Russia where journalists are murdered for daring to ask uncomfortable questions..

Just after that is living in North Korea or China..

Is that where people want to be?

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Please do not take this the wrong way but if anything your reading on any forum is causing upset or stress then the answer to that lies with yourself..

This forum is only one if many and tbh it's just peoples opinions which is not worth stressing over and should not affect your own positivity..

Wish you well..

It's not causing me stress, I've managed to stay pretty positive.

Well said.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

When the media were rightly holding Labour to account over the disgusting policy of sending guys out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds there was no backlash against them..

Why are they now 'Vile'?

I always will hold to the fact that one of the fundamental and central requirements of an open democracy is that those in power should be open to scrutiny and accountable..

To bin such things is to head down the not so pleasant path to regimes like Russia where journalists are murdered for daring to ask uncomfortable questions..

Just after that is living in North Korea or China..

Is that where people want to be?

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Please do not take this the wrong way but if anything your reading on any forum is causing upset or stress then the answer to that lies with yourself..

This forum is only one if many and tbh it's just peoples opinions which is not worth stressing over and should not affect your own positivity..

Wish you well..

It's not causing me stress, I've managed to stay pretty positive.

When people have direct experience s of some of the issues with this virus and know full well the facts are being distorted, ignored or they are being blamed for misusing vital resources as a means of deflection during such a time by those who are at the helm then there is and will be those and their families wanting the actual reality to be shone a light upon..

I see nothing wrong and in fact we all should be asking questions because some of the mistakes are directly affecting us, however we may have voted now..

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

When the media were rightly holding Labour to account over the disgusting policy of sending guys out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds there was no backlash against them..

Why are they now 'Vile'?

I always will hold to the fact that one of the fundamental and central requirements of an open democracy is that those in power should be open to scrutiny and accountable..

To bin such things is to head down the not so pleasant path to regimes like Russia where journalists are murdered for daring to ask uncomfortable questions..

Just after that is living in North Korea or China..

Is that where people want to be?

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Please do not take this the wrong way but if anything your reading on any forum is causing upset or stress then the answer to that lies with yourself..

This forum is only one if many and tbh it's just peoples opinions which is not worth stressing over and should not affect your own positivity..

Wish you well..

It's not causing me stress, I've managed to stay pretty positive.

In a nutshell...we are all frustrated you in your way of thinking leave the government alone.

Then there are some of us who have been frustrated watching this all pan out to our worst fears as we were shouting to do things long before they were doing them.

So we are all sounding off to some extent...let's just hope all of us come through it

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Please do not take this the wrong way but if anything your reading on any forum is causing upset or stress then the answer to that lies with yourself..

This forum is only one if many and tbh it's just peoples opinions which is not worth stressing over and should not affect your own positivity..

Wish you well..

That's about what I said...but you put it much more elegantly

Well there's a first..

Been called many things but never that..

Thank you

Your welcome...by the way I took your advice and got in touch with the GP about calf.

Not good

Ah, how bad is not good?

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Please do not take this the wrong way but if anything your reading on any forum is causing upset or stress then the answer to that lies with yourself..

This forum is only one if many and tbh it's just peoples opinions which is not worth stressing over and should not affect your own positivity..

Wish you well..

That's about what I said...but you put it much more elegantly

Well there's a first..

Been called many things but never that..

Thank you

Your welcome...by the way I took your advice and got in touch with the GP about calf.

Not good

Ah, how bad is not good? "

Down to diabetes causing bad circulation. Well that was her thought over the phone plus just to do 10 minute walks per day....I could walk for miles a couple of months back

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over a year ago

in Lancashire

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Please do not take this the wrong way but if anything your reading on any forum is causing upset or stress then the answer to that lies with yourself..

This forum is only one if many and tbh it's just peoples opinions which is not worth stressing over and should not affect your own positivity..

Wish you well..

That's about what I said...but you put it much more elegantly

Well there's a first..

Been called many things but never that..

Thank you

Your welcome...by the way I took your advice and got in touch with the GP about calf.

Not good

Ah, how bad is not good?

Down to diabetes causing bad circulation. Well that was her thought over the phone plus just to do 10 minute walks per day....I could walk for miles a couple of months back

Could you not alternate with something none weight bearing, cycling possibly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Please do not take this the wrong way but if anything your reading on any forum is causing upset or stress then the answer to that lies with yourself..

This forum is only one if many and tbh it's just peoples opinions which is not worth stressing over and should not affect your own positivity..

Wish you well..

That's about what I said...but you put it much more elegantly

Well there's a first..

Been called many things but never that..

Thank you

Your welcome...by the way I took your advice and got in touch with the GP about calf.

Not good

Ah, how bad is not good?

Down to diabetes causing bad circulation. Well that was her thought over the phone plus just to do 10 minute walks per day....I could walk for miles a couple of months back

Could you not alternate with something none weight bearing, cycling possibly? "

Jeez it's been years since I was on a bike...but yeah I need to find some other way to exercise size the legs

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Please do not take this the wrong way but if anything your reading on any forum is causing upset or stress then the answer to that lies with yourself..

This forum is only one if many and tbh it's just peoples opinions which is not worth stressing over and should not affect your own positivity..

Wish you well..

That's about what I said...but you put it much more elegantly

Well there's a first..

Been called many things but never that..

Thank you

Your welcome...by the way I took your advice and got in touch with the GP about calf.

Not good

Ah, how bad is not good?

Down to diabetes causing bad circulation. Well that was her thought over the phone plus just to do 10 minute walks per day....I could walk for miles a couple of months back

Could you not alternate with something none weight bearing, cycling possibly?

Jeez it's been years since I was on a bike...but yeah I need to find some other way to exercise size the legs

Swimming and a rowing machine are good too, clearly not an option just yet..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things. "

Totally agree with you here.

There is a political section for them to rant in.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

When the media were rightly holding Labour to account over the disgusting policy of sending guys out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds there was no backlash against them..

Why are they now 'Vile'?

I always will hold to the fact that one of the fundamental and central requirements of an open democracy is that those in power should be open to scrutiny and accountable..

To bin such things is to head down the not so pleasant path to regimes like Russia where journalists are murdered for daring to ask uncomfortable questions..

Just after that is living in North Korea or China..

Is that where people want to be?

I just feel that so much negativity during a shitty time helps nobody.

Please do not take this the wrong way but if anything your reading on any forum is causing upset or stress then the answer to that lies with yourself..

This forum is only one if many and tbh it's just peoples opinions which is not worth stressing over and should not affect your own positivity..

Wish you well..

It's not causing me stress, I've managed to stay pretty positive.

How is talking about the situation correspond in any way to people dying?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

Totally agree with you here.

There is a political section for them to rant in."

And theres also the lounge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

Totally agree with you here.

There is a political section for them to rant in.

And theres also the lounge."

For ?

I come in the virus section to debate things about that.

Not to hear certain people constantly ranting with their hatred for our government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

Totally agree with you here.

There is a political section for them to rant in.

And theres also the lounge.

For ?

I come in the virus section to debate things about that.

Not to hear certain people constantly ranting with their hatred for our government. "

But both are linked together...I dont read every thread on the virus.

Take conspiracy theories...I just skip it as it's about the virus but if no interest to me.

We will never agree but the virus thread is for all to use

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nobody except those in charge know the truth.

Doesn't that strike you as being a problem?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I come in the virus section to debate things about that.

Not to hear certain people constantly ranting with their hatred for our government. "

Have you considered that perhaps 'hatred' for the government is linked to the government's negligence in it's dealing with Covid 19?

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

No, our governments have had a pandemic at the top of the threats list for a long time. So yes they could foresee how this would pan out.

We have people with experience and knowledge in this country (they won awards for their work in Africa around dealing with ebola for example).

We have regularly run exercises to discover more about dealing with this sort of thing. We had the examples of the countries falling under Covid-19 before us.

With all of that, we have still managed to make the wrong decision at just about every point.

Tell us that in about a year or two when there is a chance to compare the real situation. So far they have been pretty spot on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

Totally agree with you here.

There is a political section for them to rant in.

And theres also the lounge.

For ?

I come in the virus section to debate things about that.

Not to hear certain people constantly ranting with their hatred for our government.

But both are linked together...I dont read every thread on the virus.

Take conspiracy theories...I just skip it as it's about the virus but if no interest to me.

We will never agree but the virus thread is for all to use

I just have to learn not to read a thread when I see certain names made the last post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

Totally agree with you here.

There is a political section for them to rant in.

And theres also the lounge.

For ?

I come in the virus section to debate things about that.

Not to hear certain people constantly ranting with their hatred for our government.

But both are linked together...I dont read every thread on the virus.

Take conspiracy theories...I just skip it as it's about the virus but if no interest to me.

We will never agree but the virus thread is for all to use

I just have to learn not to read a thread when I see certain names made the last post.

Aye you do that bonny lad or lass

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

OK back to the OP please, keep it clean

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By *xycpl699Couple
over a year ago

kilmarnock

"Farage on LBC and many others asked why flights from Italy were arriving unchecked from Italy. I said that the Peoples needed to Wake Up but was ridiculed for it. Some of those are now the hindsight police ... "

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Couldn’t agree more!

The vile media are like petulant children and making things worse.

When the media were rightly holding Labour to account over the disgusting policy of sending guys out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds there was no backlash against them..

Why are they now 'Vile'?

I always will hold to the fact that one of the fundamental and central requirements of an open democracy is that those in power should be open to scrutiny and accountable..

To bin such things is to head down the not so pleasant path to regimes like Russia where journalists are murdered for daring to ask uncomfortable questions..

Just after that is living in North Korea or China..

Is that where people want to be? "

So true

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided."

I've said numerous times that scrutinizing is fine but it's pointless in the middle of a crisis and on every thread where anyone tries to discuss anything to do with the virus. The negativity takes over every thread and it's always the same people.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity? "

It's only negative if that's your perception, others will see that differently and both views are fine but moaning about something you won't ever change is pointless..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity? "

You took the words out of my mouth.

It's the same faces all the time too.

Luckily today they have mostly stuck to one thread back slapping each other and hating on the government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity? "

I'm I one of "those people"? If so I've just green narrowed yo and we only have 2 threads in common...so it's hardly every thread if I am...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity? "

Yes, we should all be happy and not ask questions. Probably not that easy for people who have relatives that died, and probably didn't need to? I personally get sick of threads where people seem to deny the evidence of their own eyes with regards stuff like testing figures or death rates, but, hey ho

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity?

I'm I one of "those people"? If so I've just green narrowed yo and we only have 2 threads in common...so it's hardly every thread if I am..."

Like I told you yesterday I've learned not to post in those threads.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity?

Such a ray of sunshine you are lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity?

I'm I one of "those people"? If so I've just green narrowed yo and we only have 2 threads in common...so it's hardly every thread if I am...

Like I told you yesterday I've learned not to post in those threads."

The quote and question was not to you though...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity?

I'm I one of "those people"? If so I've just green narrowed yo and we only have 2 threads in common...so it's hardly every thread if I am..."

Actually you are not, you just seem to join in the back slapping sometimes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity?

Such a ray of sunshine you are lol"

Luckily, you can laugh, plenty of people out there are not.

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over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity?

Such a ray of sunshine you are lol

Luckily, you can laugh, plenty of people out there are not."

I lost both my parents earlier in the year.

Not covid19.

But I am getting on with my life the best I can.

What's wrong at looking at life positivity.

My wife 3 kids and 7 kids gives me a reason to get up and smile every morning.

I would hate to be a person that gets up each morning with so much hatred in their heart from someone in power.

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over a year ago

7 grandkids that should be

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over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity?

Such a ray of sunshine you are lol

Luckily, you can laugh, plenty of people out there are not.

I lost both my parents earlier in the year.

Not covid19.

But I am getting on with my life the best I can.

What's wrong at looking at life positivity.

My wife 3 kids and 7 kids gives me a reason to get up and smile every morning.

I would hate to be a person that gets up each morning with so much hatred in their heart from someone in power."

No hatred here, just a belief that people in this country deserve better. Fair enough if you don't

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over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity?

Such a ray of sunshine you are lol

Luckily, you can laugh, plenty of people out there are not.

I lost both my parents earlier in the year.

Not covid19.

But I am getting on with my life the best I can.

What's wrong at looking at life positivity.

My wife 3 kids and 7 kids gives me a reason to get up and smile every morning.

I would hate to be a person that gets up each morning with so much hatred in their heart from someone in power.

No hatred here, just a belief that people in this country deserve better. Fair enough if you don't"

Who would do it better ?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity?

Such a ray of sunshine you are lol

Luckily, you can laugh, plenty of people out there are not.

I lost both my parents earlier in the year.

Not covid19.

But I am getting on with my life the best I can.

What's wrong at looking at life positivity.

My wife 3 kids and 7 kids gives me a reason to get up and smile every morning.

I would hate to be a person that gets up each morning with so much hatred in their heart from someone in power.

No hatred here, just a belief that people in this country deserve better. Fair enough if you don't

Who would do it better ?"

The chuckle brothers?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity?

Such a ray of sunshine you are lol

Luckily, you can laugh, plenty of people out there are not.

I lost both my parents earlier in the year.

Not covid19.

But I am getting on with my life the best I can.

What's wrong at looking at life positivity.

My wife 3 kids and 7 kids gives me a reason to get up and smile every morning.

I would hate to be a person that gets up each morning with so much hatred in their heart from someone in power.

No hatred here, just a belief that people in this country deserve better. Fair enough if you don't

Who would do it better ?

The chuckle brothers?"

Very insightful.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity?

Such a ray of sunshine you are lol

Luckily, you can laugh, plenty of people out there are not.

I lost both my parents earlier in the year.

Not covid19.

But I am getting on with my life the best I can.

What's wrong at looking at life positivity.

My wife 3 kids and 7 kids gives me a reason to get up and smile every morning.

I would hate to be a person that gets up each morning with so much hatred in their heart from someone in power.

No hatred here, just a belief that people in this country deserve better. Fair enough if you don't

Who would do it better ?

The chuckle brothers?

Very insightful. "

We don't know.its an irreverent question.

The gmnt are in power and should be open to scrutiny.

As said previously saying 'well labour wouldn't do any better'is a feeble excuse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity?

Such a ray of sunshine you are lol

Luckily, you can laugh, plenty of people out there are not.

I lost both my parents earlier in the year.

Not covid19.

But I am getting on with my life the best I can.

What's wrong at looking at life positivity.

My wife 3 kids and 7 kids gives me a reason to get up and smile every morning.

I would hate to be a person that gets up each morning with so much hatred in their heart from someone in power.

No hatred here, just a belief that people in this country deserve better. Fair enough if you don't

Who would do it better ?

The chuckle brothers?

Very insightful.

We don't know.its an irreverent question.

The gmnt are in power and should be open to scrutiny.

As said previously saying 'well labour wouldn't do any better'is a feeble excuse "

I asked a question.

I never said anything about labour.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

Op Cygnus report has now been leaked. I haven't read it yet but at least the information is now out there.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/revealed-the-secret-report-that-gave-ministers-warning-of-care-home-coronavirus-crisis

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity?

Such a ray of sunshine you are lol

Luckily, you can laugh, plenty of people out there are not.

I lost both my parents earlier in the year.

Not covid19.

But I am getting on with my life the best I can.

What's wrong at looking at life positivity.

My wife 3 kids and 7 kids gives me a reason to get up and smile every morning.

I would hate to be a person that gets up each morning with so much hatred in their heart from someone in power.

No hatred here, just a belief that people in this country deserve better. Fair enough if you don't

Who would do it better ?

The chuckle brothers?

Very insightful.

We don't know.its an irreverent question.

The gmnt are in power and should be open to scrutiny.

As said previously saying 'well labour wouldn't do any better'is a feeble excuse

I asked a question.

I never said anything about labour. "

Well,if we can't find anybody more competent than Boris, this country is fucked

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity?

Such a ray of sunshine you are lol

Luckily, you can laugh, plenty of people out there are not.

I lost both my parents earlier in the year.

Not covid19.

But I am getting on with my life the best I can.

What's wrong at looking at life positivity.

My wife 3 kids and 7 kids gives me a reason to get up and smile every morning.

I would hate to be a person that gets up each morning with so much hatred in their heart from someone in power.

No hatred here, just a belief that people in this country deserve better. Fair enough if you don't

Who would do it better ?

The chuckle brothers?

Very insightful.

We don't know.its an irreverent question.

The gmnt are in power and should be open to scrutiny.

As said previously saying 'well labour wouldn't do any better'is a feeble excuse

I asked a question.

I never said anything about labour. "

Who said who would do better?

Who did you have in mind?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Starmer has only been there 5 minutes and has already made Boris look like he is a schoolboy

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach

No hatred here, just a belief that people in this country deserve better. Fair enough if you don't

Who would do it better ?

The chuckle brothers?

Very insightful.

We don't know.its an irreverent question.

The gmnt are in power and should be open to scrutiny.

As said previously saying 'well labour wouldn't do any better'is a feeble excuse

I asked a question.

I never said anything about labour. "

Whether you mentioned labour or not, is again irrelevant. The answer is the same. This "team" in one form or another, have been in government for 10 years. They completely own the state of the NHS, the state of preparedness, and the response so far.

I think it is quite fair to say, they have performed dismally across all of those things. Which in combination has left this country dealing more poorly with this pandemic than just about anywhere else in the world.

For that they should certainly be scrutinised very closely, and if doing so during the crisis causes them to make improvements, then it should definitely happen.

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over a year ago

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

No hatred here, just a belief that people in this country deserve better. Fair enough if you don't

Who would do it better ?

The chuckle brothers?

Very insightful.

We don't know.its an irreverent question.

The gmnt are in power and should be open to scrutiny.

As said previously saying 'well labour wouldn't do any better'is a feeble excuse

I asked a question.

I never said anything about labour.

For that they should certainly be scrutinised very closely, and if doing so during the crisis causes them to make improvements, then it should definitely happen.

But has anything that's been said anywhere on the fab forums made any difference at all?

The state of the nhs is not only the fault of the current government, if you research into privatisation of the nhs you'll see that labour have played a part too.

Yes, there have been mistakes in the dealing with of covid, I've never said they haven't made mistakes, I just think repeating the same stuff everyday and passing it off as holding them accountable is tedious, it happens in alot of the virus threads.

I'm choosing to focus on the positives.

Out of curiosity, how many of you government haters are claiming any of the hand outs in order to keep your job/save your business while simultaneously saying they haven't done anything right?

Anyway, I'm going to leave it there now, apparently only opinions that match certain people's are valid on the virus forums. God forbid should anyone try to stay positive in a shitty time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No hatred here, just a belief that people in this country deserve better. Fair enough if you don't

Who would do it better ?

The chuckle brothers?

Very insightful.

We don't know.its an irreverent question.

The gmnt are in power and should be open to scrutiny.

As said previously saying 'well labour wouldn't do any better'is a feeble excuse

I asked a question.

I never said anything about labour.

For that they should certainly be scrutinised very closely, and if doing so during the crisis causes them to make improvements, then it should definitely happen.

But has anything that's been said anywhere on the fab forums made any difference at all?

The state of the nhs is not only the fault of the current government, if you research into privatisation of the nhs you'll see that labour have played a part too.

I'm choosing to focus on the positives.

Out of curiosity, how many of you government haters are claiming any of the hand outs in order to keep your job/save your business while simultaneously saying they haven't done anything right?

Anyway, I'm going to leave it there now, apparently only opinions that match certain people's are valid on the virus forums. God forbid should anyone try to stay positive in a shitty time. "

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I'm not frustrated, I just think it's sad that people insist on adding more negativity to an already crappy situation.

There are other forums if people don't want to read these threads, it saves anyone reading what they think is negative.

Yes, but I'd like to join in some of the virus threads without it turning into a political point scoring game and without getting snide insults thrown at me for daring to disagree with things.

To be fair that isn't what you are saying on your posts. You were saying you don't want people to scrutinise. Also the digs or attacking is not one sided.

Why can't we have a single thread where those people don't take over with the negativity? "

But if people want to scrutinise they can do, i you don't want to see that you can avoid the threads

I am not sure there is much positive to report about the virus and any related subjects to it so you may find it hard to find any , but you can avoid any threads that bother you

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Again, can we go back to the OP

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Again, can we go back to the OP"

Which was about a scientist breaking ranks and the gmnt response!

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

"I'm choosing to focus on the positives.

Out of curiosity, how many of you government haters are claiming any of the hand outs in order to keep your job/save your business while simultaneously saying they haven't done anything right?

Anyway, I'm going to leave it there now, apparently only opinions that match certain people's are valid on the virus forums. God forbid should anyone try to stay positive in a shitty time. "

Several of the more critical people here (myself included) have praised the financial response to the crisis. I've even posted a few times asking for government supporters to give examples of what they've done right. I would welcome another opportunity to praise them - it would likely mean one less body bag has been filled. Unfortunately good news and good decisions seem to be as hard to come by as PPE.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

"Again, can we go back to the OP

Which was about a scientist breaking ranks and the gmnt response!

So which one do we think leaked the Cygnus report today? Neil Ferguson?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Again, can we go back to the OP

Which was about a scientist breaking ranks and the gmnt response!

So which one do we think leaked the Cygnus report today? Neil Ferguson?

Is that The one who got in trouble?

Hancock was talking about getting the police involved.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

"Again, can we go back to the OP

Which was about a scientist breaking ranks and the gmnt response!

So which one do we think leaked the Cygnus report today? Neil Ferguson?

Is that The one who got in trouble?

Hancock was talking about getting the police involved."

Yes, Neil Ferguson is the scientist most likely to be a member here. Police took no action as he acknowledged what he'd done wrong.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Again, can we go back to the OP

Which was about a scientist breaking ranks and the gmnt response!

So which one do we think leaked the Cygnus report today? Neil Ferguson?

Is that The one who got in trouble?

Hancock was talking about getting the police involved.

Yes, Neil Ferguson is the scientist most likely to be a member here. Police took no action as he acknowledged what he'd done wrong."

Yeah my money is on him getting his own back

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over a year ago

"Again, can we go back to the OP

Which was about a scientist breaking ranks and the gmnt response!

So which one do we think leaked the Cygnus report today? Neil Ferguson?

Is that The one who got in trouble?

Hancock was talking about getting the police involved.

Yes, Neil Ferguson is the scientist most likely to be a member here. Police took no action as he acknowledged what he'd done wrong."

He might be a dick with his dick,but without him I could have been just herd immunity

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Come off it...if as you say your neutral in this surely you can see that the handling of this will go down as the biggest fuckup in history given the notice we had.

It's not about who you voted for. It the fact the rest of the world are astounded in the way we dealt with it.

I thought we had the worst figs in Europe?

We that's statistics for you. However on deaths per million, which is a better measurement, that honour falls to Belgium.

I'm not celebrating that we are not the absolute worst, although I'm glad we're not. All I'm saying is that we aren't the worst, which we aren't, and that the government's performance, so far, while not being great, is about average for Europe and, as such, is not terrible.

I'm no Johnson fan and I definitely want to hold him and his government accountable for how they've handled somethings but we won't achieve that it we just say everything thing they've done is rubbish and we're the worst in Europe when anyone with any intelligence who cares to look can see that that is clearly not the case.

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over a year ago

Come off it...if as you say your neutral in this surely you can see that the handling of this will go down as the biggest fuckup in history given the notice we had.

It's not about who you voted for. It the fact the rest of the world are astounded in the way we dealt with it.

I thought we had the worst figs in Europe?

We that's statistics for you. However on deaths per million, which is a better measurement, that honour falls to Belgium.

Trouble is, we had the opportunity not to be as bad as are. We had some prior warning and just sat on our hands.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

And who warned ?

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

Come off it...if as you say your neutral in this surely you can see that the handling of this will go down as the biggest fuckup in history given the notice we had.

It's not about who you voted for. It the fact the rest of the world are astounded in the way we dealt with it.

I thought we had the worst figs in Europe?

We that's statistics for you. However on deaths per million, which is a better measurement, that honour falls to Belgium.

You are not about average in Europe

Highest death toll in Europe and Boris isn't finished yet

His mixed messages and poor decisions are continuing which will result in many many more needless deaths

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"And who warned ?"

I think they were told by Chinese scientists it would definitely get out.It was in that piece in the times.

They were warned again in feb.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"And who warned ?"

The WHO..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And who warned ?"

You and I would have agreed with you

But I was still deciding whether to come back on here...so was still in lurker mode

And yeah you took some stick

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

Come off it...if as you say your neutral in this surely you can see that the handling of this will go down as the biggest fuckup in history given the notice we had.

It's not about who you voted for. It the fact the rest of the world are astounded in the way we dealt with it.

I thought we had the worst figs in Europe?

We that's statistics for you. However on deaths per million, which is a better measurement, that honour falls to Belgium.

Trouble is, we had the opportunity not to be as bad as are. We had some prior warning and just sat on our hands."

If Boris only sat on his hands and did nothing it wouldn't have been as bad as it is but he did much worse

When rest of Europe well into shutdown he was billigerantly saying he was going to stay open a be a beacon of economic freedom for the world and continue shaking hands and this was in mid march

Mid fucking march

While rest of world in lockdown

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over a year ago

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out.

A lot of scientists have already disagreed with them.

Its easy to criticise a hypothesis when you are 8 weeks into the experiment and have all that additional data to assess

The fact is someone had to step up on day 1 and give their (calculated) estimate of how it would pan out and what the best approach would be , unless time machines have been invented or crystal balls started working, The experts did the best they could with the limited information they had available

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out.

A lot of scientists have already disagreed with them.

Its easy to criticise a hypothesis when you are 8 weeks into the experiment and have all that additional data to assess

Well it wasnt really day 1 was it?

It had already tore through china and had hit Italy and Spain quite hard.

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

I don’t think it will be to long before they turn on him in self preservation and call him and his shysters out.

A lot of scientists have already disagreed with them.

Its easy to criticise a hypothesis when you are 8 weeks into the experiment and have all that additional data to assess

Other governments came to those conclusions much earlier than Boris

He was still banging on about immunity and shaking people's hands

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Come off it...if as you say your neutral in this surely you can see that the handling of this will go down as the biggest fuckup in history given the notice we had.

It's not about who you voted for. It the fact the rest of the world are astounded in the way we dealt with it.

I thought we had the worst figs in Europe?

We that's statistics for you. However on deaths per million, which is a better measurement, that honour falls to Belgium.

Out of 31 European countries we have the 4th worst number of deaths per 100k, that is not ‘about average’ it is way below average. Anyone with any intelligence can see that.

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