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"Thinking on I'll tell you what I'll do. I can't change what other people do but I can do what I want to do so while some of you are carping, shivering, quivering and shaking in your safety first homes some of us will download the app and get out a bit if they let us. It might not be all that successful but hey, I'll be out and about for a bit more and starting to enjoy the new normal a bit and if it works I'll let you know as sometimes you have to take a bit of a risk to enjoy life a little. Dunno about you lot but I am bored to death of staying at home like frikened children. grrrrrrrrrrr"  whatever risks are within your comfort zone. | |||
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"Thinking on I'll tell you what I'll do. I can't change what other people do but I can do what I want to do so while some of you are carping, shivering, quivering and shaking in your safety first homes some of us will download the app and get out a bit if they let us. It might not be all that successful but hey, I'll be out and about for a bit more and starting to enjoy the new normal a bit and if it works I'll let you know as sometimes you have to take a bit of a risk to enjoy life a little. Dunno about you lot but I am bored to death of staying at home like frikened children. grrrrrrrrrrr whatever risks are within your comfort zone."Glad to see this discussion continuing Mrs Berry thank you for you information on what details we may have to enter. I have not discovered or been told on here about any information I have to give that will do me harm and that is not already available If understand you to sign up just very basic info i.e. phone number and area I live If I test positive or in contact I may have to give further info As long as that info is not financial I do not see the problem ( so far) Today on tv a reporter also said it does not even know your location only if you have been near someone that later tested positive | |||
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"Thinking on I'll tell you what I'll do. I can't change what other people do but I can do what I want to do so while some of you are carping, shivering, quivering and shaking in your safety first homes some of us will download the app and get out a bit if they let us. It might not be all that successful but hey, I'll be out and about for a bit more and starting to enjoy the new normal a bit and if it works I'll let you know as sometimes you have to take a bit of a risk to enjoy life a little. Dunno about you lot but I am bored to death of staying at home like frikened children. grrrrrrrrrrr whatever risks are within your comfort zone.
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Mrs Berry thank you for you information on what details we may have to enter.
I have not discovered or been told on here about any information I have to give that will do me harm and that is not already available
If understand you to sign up just very basic info i.e. phone number and area I live
If I test positive or in contact I may have to give further info
As long as that info is not financial I do not see the problem ( so far)
Today on tv a reporter also said it does not even know your location only if you have been near someone that later tested positive
"Essentially this is it. My issue with the app is that it's centralised and can be modified, built on top off (that officials already mentioned as a possibility) without control, regulation and accountability. I don't trust the government being open about what exactly they add and what data they will be collecting in the future. And I don't trust them to he opened when things will go wrong, say the system is hacked for example. It's way outside my comfort zone and my personal choice not to use it. | |||
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"Thinking on I'll tell you what I'll do. I can't change what other people do but I can do what I want to do so while some of you are carping, shivering, quivering and shaking in your safety first homes some of us will download the app and get out a bit if they let us. It might not be all that successful but hey, I'll be out and about for a bit more and starting to enjoy the new normal a bit and if it works I'll let you know as sometimes you have to take a bit of a risk to enjoy life a little. Dunno about you lot but I am bored to death of staying at home like frikened children. grrrrrrrrrrr whatever risks are within your comfort zone.
Glad to see this discussion continuing
Mrs Berry thank you for you information on what details we may have to enter.
I have not discovered or been told on here about any information I have to give that will do me harm and that is not already available
If understand you to sign up just very basic info i.e. phone number and area I live
If I test positive or in contact I may have to give further info
As long as that info is not financial I do not see the problem ( so far)
Today on tv a reporter also said it does not even know your location only if you have been near someone that later tested positive
Essentially this is it. My issue with the app is that it's centralised and can be modified, built on top off (that officials already mentioned as a possibility) without control, regulation and accountability. I don't trust the government being open about what exactly they add and what data they will be collecting in the future. And I don't trust them to he opened when things will go wrong, say the system is hacked for example. It's way outside my comfort zone and my personal choice not to use it."Thank you for your insight and observations. Yes it could be a smallish thing now but grow into a beast. Something you have prompted in my head is that governments do change eventually and we have no way of knowing how a future government will use it. For me I will most probably use it as long as I don't have to give them info they don't already have / can get without the app Unless someone can show me otherwise of course | |||
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"Something else to consider: "Britons will not be able to ask NHS admins to delete their COVID-19 contact-tracking data from government servers, digital arm NHSX's chief exec Matthew Gould admitted to MPs this afternoon. Gould also told Parliament's Human Rights Committee that data harvested from Britons through NHSX's COVID-19 contact tracing app would be "pseudonymised" - and appeared to leave the door open for that data to be sold on for "research"."" Yes the article is very vague and I highlighted a couple of paragraphs from it on the last post. It may be developed for the greater good however as there is no requirement to have it, I'm not going to install it. | |||
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"It seems folk have an issue with the government changing the app to collect more information and release it to third parties at a later date. Maybe these people would be happier with an app written by apple and google,two of the largest data collectors on the planet who will retain the right to change the app at any time. Contact tracing is how countries like South Korea have kept their numbers so low. It is something we need to move out of lockdown, it is not about personal safety but controlling the spread which we still need to do. Maybe the people moaning about imagined uses for the app in the future should think of the possible deaths they may cause by carrying the virus but showing no symptoms and infecting others. In a country with the highest rate of surveillance cameras in the world people are kicking off about an app with collects non personal information and stores it on their own phone, only releasing their movements, name and address to the NHS when they become a possible health risk. The government and the NHS already know where you live ffs. " Very eloquently put. Thank you for putting it in perspective so well. | |||
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"Why are folks getting bent out of shape regarding the answers in this post. You either download it or you don't. " Yep, that is a fair way of putting it too. No fuss. No nonsense. | |||
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"Whats the feedback on the trials they are conducting on the Isle of Wight? " It is only available for NHS and council workers now, everyone else from tomorrow. A few reports coming in that once the app is downloaded - it says it's not compatible with the users phone operating system. Also, a lot of employers on the island (expect the same everywhere else) do not allow personal phones on you while at work. So that's something else the government haven't thought about. | |||
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"Why are folks getting bent out of shape regarding the answers in this post. You either download it or you don't. " Should see the posts on the island. According to one of the news publishers if you're not downloading the app - you're against the community. Just waiting for them to add that if you don't have the smartphone to download it - you'll burn in hell for not running to the shop to buy one and turning against the community  | |||
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"Whats the feedback on the trials they are conducting on the Isle of Wight? It is only available for NHS and council workers now, everyone else from tomorrow. A few reports coming in that once the app is downloaded - it says it's not compatible with the users phone operating system. Also, a lot of employers on the island (expect the same everywhere else) do not allow personal phones on you while at work. So that's something else the government haven't thought about."
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"Why are folks getting bent out of shape regarding the answers in this post. You either download it or you don't. Should see the posts on the island. According to one of the news publishers if you're not downloading the app - you're against the community. Just waiting for them to add that if you don't have the smartphone to download it - you'll burn in hell for not running to the shop to buy one and turning against the community "Media manipulating things as usual. | |||
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"It seems folk have an issue with the government changing the app to collect more information and release it to third parties at a later date. Maybe these people would be happier with an app written by apple and google,two of the largest data collectors on the planet who will retain the right to change the app at any time. Contact tracing is how countries like South Korea have kept their numbers so low. It is something we need to move out of lockdown, it is not about personal safety but controlling the spread which we still need to do. Maybe the people moaning about imagined uses for the app in the future should think of the possible deaths they may cause by carrying the virus but showing no symptoms and infecting others. In a country with the highest rate of surveillance cameras in the world people are kicking off about an app with collects non personal information and stores it on their own phone, only releasing their movements, name and address to the NHS when they become a possible health risk. The government and the NHS already know where you live ffs. " Ok first of all, apple and google are day and night when it comes to data collection and what it is used for. It is exceptional for them to collaborate on such a project. To conflate them is ignorance or bad faith. They collaborated to integrate a warning system into their respective operating systems that didn't record location data and protected privacy Contact tracing was not how countries that were successful against CV19. It was a tool that was used in conjunction with mass testing, quarantines and lockdowns. To call concern about our civil liberties and privacy moaning and to use the dead as an emotive argument, well I think that speaks for itself. CV19 will eventually be defeated, but the data will still be there. That data can be used in all sorts of ways that is harmful to a democracy. | |||
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"Why are folks getting bent out of shape regarding the answers in this post. You either download it or you don't. Should see the posts on the island. According to one of the news publishers if you're not downloading the app - you're against the community. Just waiting for them to add that if you don't have the smartphone to download it - you'll burn in hell for not running to the shop to buy one and turning against the community
Media manipulating things as usual.
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"It beats me why people would not have an app that could protect their family, friends and relatives.Once restrictions are eased and we are allowed to meet a few friends and family it would be a big piece of mind to know you have not been near anyone with the virus so less chance of passing it on to loved ones.These same people are happy for google,amazon etc to have data on them but not the government who already have. You have NI,NHS number a birth certificate a passport fill in a census every 10 years a bank account,polling card in elections a mobile phone,internet contract,etc fuck me how much more info do you think they can glean from an app?" ———————- Who you meet, where and when. That info. ————————- | |||
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"It beats me why people would not have an app that could protect their family, friends and relatives.Once restrictions are eased and we are allowed to meet a few friends and family it would be a big piece of mind to know you have not been near anyone with the virus so less chance of passing it on to loved ones.These same people are happy for google,amazon etc to have data on them but not the government who already have. You have NI,NHS number a birth certificate a passport fill in a census every 10 years a bank account,polling card in elections a mobile phone,internet contract,etc fuck me how much more info do you think they can glean from an app? ———————- Who you meet, where and when. That info. ————————-" No it doesn't. | |||
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"Why are folks getting bent out of shape regarding the answers in this post. You either download it or you don't. Should see the posts on the island. According to one of the news publishers if you're not downloading the app - you're against the community. Just waiting for them to add that if you don't have the smartphone to download it - you'll burn in hell for not running to the shop to buy one and turning against the community
Media manipulating things as usual.
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What exactly are “they” manipulating?
An easy refrain. I wish people would stop and think a little of the ramifications of *not* having a free press before propagating comments like this.
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"It seems folk have an issue with the government changing the app to collect more information and release it to third parties at a later date. Maybe these people would be happier with an app written by apple and google,two of the largest data collectors on tyhe planet who will retain the right to change the app at any time. Contact tracing is how countries like South Korea have kept their numbers so low. It is something we need to move out of lockdown, it is not about personal safety but controlling the spread which we still need to do. Maybe the people moaning about imagined uses for the app in the future should think of the possible deaths they may cause by carrying the virus but showing no symptoms and infecting others. In a country with the highest rate of surveillance cameras in the world people are kicking off about an app with collects non personal information and stores it on their own phone, only releasing their movements, name and address to the NHS when they become a possible health risk. The government and the NHS already know where you live ffs. Ok first of all, apple and google are day and night when it comes to data collection and what it is used for. It is exceptional for them to collaborate on such a project. To conflate them is ignorance or bad faith. They collaborated to integrate a warning system into their respective operating systems that didn't record location data and protected privacy Contact tracing was not how countries that were successful against CV19. It was a tool that was used in conjunction with mass testing, quarantines and lockdowns. To call concern about our civil liberties and privacy moaning and to use the dead as an emotive argument, well I think that speaks for itself. CV19 will eventually be defeated, but the data will still be there. That data can be used in all sorts of ways that is harmful to a democracy. " First off, I did not conflate them, I pointed out that they both collect data you, apples figures for directions requests have been used on the governments coronavirus updates. Their governments used contact tracing apps. Targeted testing and targeted isolation will get the infection rate down and everyone out of isolation. I personally am a key worker so not under isolation but go home to my partner who is furloughed every day hopefully not carrying anything. The app will not cure anything, the only way to do it is social distancing but if we know who needs to isolate then the rest of us can return to work. Once this is over we still have a lot to do before we can return to our pre virus days. And yes, let's ignore how many sisters, brothers, fathers, mothers and spouses are dying if it doesn't suit your point. They are not an emotive argument they are unfortunately a fact of life at the moment. I think putting your concerns about your civil liberties before potentially thousands of peoples lives screams of a world more worrying than one where people have an app on their phone. Coronavirus will eventually be beaten, we all know that, but let's keep the death toll as low as we can until it is. | |||
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"Why are folks getting bent out of shape regarding the answers in this post. You either download it or you don't. " this and to those getting bent out of shape.....
Unless you've been living under a rock for the last 20 years it's too late. All the apps even basic ones - access phone contacts, gallery, camera etc. Social media outlets as soon as you've created a profile and accepted their terms you've sold your soul. All websites you visit and blindly 'accept all cookies' again tracked/targeted with specific ads from your browsing habits. Log your daily walk/run and upload it, again tracked.
I totally understand the concern but unless you've never owned a mobile phone/used the internet it's too late. I mean fab even lists your profile in g00gle unless you turn the option off. | |||
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"It seems folk have an issue with the government changing the app to collect more information and release it to third parties at a later date. Maybe these people would be happier with an app written by apple and google,two of the largest data collectors on tyhe planet who will retain the right to change the app at any time. Contact tracing is how countries like South Korea have kept their numbers so low. It is something we need to move out of lockdown, it is not about personal safety but controlling the spread which we still need to do. Maybe the people moaning about imagined uses for the app in the future should think of the possible deaths they may cause by carrying the virus but showing no symptoms and infecting others. In a country with the highest rate of surveillance cameras in the world people are kicking off about an app with collects non personal information and stores it on their own phone, only releasing their movements, name and address to the NHS when they become a possible health risk. The government and the NHS already know where you live ffs. Ok first of all, apple and google are day and night when it comes to data collection and what it is used for. It is exceptional for them to collaborate on such a project. To conflate them is ignorance or bad faith. They collaborated to integrate a warning system into their respective operating systems that didn't record location data and protected privacy Contact tracing was not how countries that were successful against CV19. It was a tool that was used in conjunction with mass testing, quarantines and lockdowns. To call concern about our civil liberties and privacy moaning and to use the dead as an emotive argument, well I think that speaks for itself. CV19 will eventually be defeated, but the data will still be there. That data can be used in all sorts of ways that is harmful to a democracy. First off, I did not conflate them, I pointed out that they both collect data you, apples figures for directions requests have been used on the governments coronavirus updates. Their governments used contact tracing apps. Targeted testing and targeted isolation will get the infection rate down and everyone out of isolation. I personally am a key worker so not under isolation but go home to my partner who is furloughed every day hopefully not carrying anything. The app will not cure anything, the only way to do it is social distancing but if we know who needs to isolate then the rest of us can return to work. Once this is over we still have a lot to do before we can return to our pre virus days. And yes, let's ignore how many sisters, brothers, fathers, mothers and spouses are dying if it doesn't suit your point. They are not an emotive argument they are unfortunately a fact of life at the moment. I think putting your concerns about your civil liberties before potentially thousands of peoples lives screams of a world more worrying than one where people have an app on their phone. Coronavirus will eventually be beaten, we all know that, but let's keep the death toll as low as we can until it is. " Apple are primarily a hardware company, Google's business is data. They worked together to create a decentralised option. The UK govt instead chose a centralised alternative run by persons with a history of re appropriating datasets. The centralised model wouldn't be acceptable in Europe or the USA. As I said already contact tracing will only work as part of a strategy, which so far has been piecemeal. People aren't dying because the UK hasn't been using contact tracing. They have been dying because of a slow ineffective response from the UK govt As we both have acknowledged, CV19 will eventually be beaten. The dataset will be priceless, what will happen with that. | |||
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"It beats me why people would not have an app that could protect their family, friends and relatives.Once restrictions are eased and we are allowed to meet a few friends and family it would be a big piece of mind to know you have not been near anyone with the virus so less chance of passing it on to loved ones.These same people are happy for google,amazon etc to have data on them but not the government who already have. You have NI,NHS number a birth certificate a passport fill in a census every 10 years a bank account,polling card in elections a mobile phone,internet contract,etc fuck me how much more info do you think they can glean from an app? ———————- Who you meet, where and when. That info. ————————-" Are you sure on the 'where you are' claim as the BBC guy yesterday said it does not know where you are only that you have been close to another app user who at some point tests positive? What is the problem with them knowing who you meet and where if it helps saves lives If waitrose in the future find out I once went to another shop I'm sure they will survive Can other apps that are used be changed / abused as some speculate I keep hearing that my data will at risk but so far no personal data has been claimed that is not already freely available Sorry if I'm being slow but so far this app seems to require less info or no more info than many apps people use Many people have complained we have not done things done in other countries that have had more success. I trust these people are not the same ones that now refuse to help save lives | |||
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"The Chinese have been using this same app for a while this is Chinese tech not a British app, would you trust it at this present time, don't know if I would, and who is hacking all our systems" No, this is not using "Chinese tech". It was written from scratch by NHSX in the UK. It is probably secure enough for its specified use and allows additional analysis. The issue is with what will happen to the centrally stored information once it's infection reduction use is over. | |||
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"It beats me why people would not have an app that could protect their family, friends and relatives.Once restrictions are eased and we are allowed to meet a few friends and family it would be a big piece of mind to know you have not been near anyone with the virus so less chance of passing it on to loved ones.These same people are happy for google,amazon etc to have data on them but not the government who already have. You have NI,NHS number a birth certificate a passport fill in a census every 10 years a bank account,polling card in elections a mobile phone,internet contract,etc fuck me how much more info do you think they can glean from an app? ———————- Who you meet, where and when. That info. ————————- Are you sure on the 'where you are' claim as the BBC guy yesterday said it does not know where you are only that you have been close to another app user who at some point tests positive? What is the problem with them knowing who you meet and where if it helps saves lives If waitrose in the future find out I once went to another shop I'm sure they will survive Can other apps that are used be changed / abused as some speculate I keep hearing that my data will at risk but so far no personal data has been claimed that is not already freely available Sorry if I'm being slow but so far this app seems to require less info or no more info than many apps people use Many people have complained we have not done things done in other countries that have had more success. I trust these people are not the same ones that now refuse to help save lives" The state knowing with whom we meet and where is, actually, quite a big change. It is something that we are, rightly, horrified about China doing. Imagine other totalitarian regimes having this power. How would history have turned out. I do not have a problem with a temporary reduction in some freedoms and protections. The problem is what happens to the data afterwards. | |||
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"It beats me why people would not have an app that could protect their family, friends and relatives.Once restrictions are eased and we are allowed to meet a few friends and family it would be a big piece of mind to know you have not been near anyone with the virus so less chance of passing it on to loved ones.These same people are happy for google,amazon etc to have data on them but not the government who already have. You have NI,NHS number a birth certificate a passport fill in a census every 10 years a bank account,polling card in elections a mobile phone,internet contract,etc fuck me how much more info do you think they can glean from an app? ———————- Who you meet, where and when. That info. ————————- Are you sure on the 'where you are' claim as the BBC guy yesterday said it does not know where you are only that you have been close to another app user who at some point tests positive? What is the problem with them knowing who you meet and where if it helps saves lives If waitrose in the future find out I once went to another shop I'm sure they will survive Can other apps that are used be changed / abused as some speculate I keep hearing that my data will at risk but so far no personal data has been claimed that is not already freely available Sorry if I'm being slow but so far this app seems to require less info or no more info than many apps people use Many people have complained we have not done things done in other countries that have had more success. I trust these people are not the same ones that now refuse to help save lives The state knowing with whom we meet and where is, actually, quite a big change. It is something that we are, rightly, horrified about China doing. Imagine other totalitarian regimes having this power. How would history have turned out. I do not have a problem with a temporary reduction in some freedoms and protections. The problem is what happens to the data afterwards." I assume the data will be analysed and used to find out how the virus spreads, the type of communities it spreads fastest in, the age and sex proportions. It would also be good to know if the contact was on public transport, in supermarkets, regular shops etc. Then the data might be passed on internationally to help other countries with learning or to compare with there data. Or it could just be a damp squib and deemed useless and purged All assumptions I must add | |||
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"It beats me why people would not have an app that could protect their family, friends and relatives.Once restrictions are eased and we are allowed to meet a few friends and family it would be a big piece of mind to know you have not been near anyone with the virus so less chance of passing it on to loved ones.These same people are happy for google,amazon etc to have data on them but not the government who already have. You have NI,NHS number a birth certificate a passport fill in a census every 10 years a bank account,polling card in elections a mobile phone,internet contract,etc fuck me how much more info do you think they can glean from an app? ———————- Who you meet, where and when. That info. ————————- Are you sure on the 'where you are' claim as the BBC guy yesterday said it does not know where you are only that you have been close to another app user who at some point tests positive? What is the problem with them knowing who you meet and where if it helps saves lives If waitrose in the future find out I once went to another shop I'm sure they will survive Can other apps that are used be changed / abused as some speculate I keep hearing that my data will at risk but so far no personal data has been claimed that is not already freely available Sorry if I'm being slow but so far this app seems to require less info or no more info than many apps people use Many people have complained we have not done things done in other countries that have had more success. I trust these people are not the same ones that now refuse to help save lives The state knowing with whom we meet and where is, actually, quite a big change. It is something that we are, rightly, horrified about China doing. Imagine other totalitarian regimes having this power. How would history have turned out. I do not have a problem with a temporary reduction in some freedoms and protections. The problem is what happens to the data afterwards." As said according to the news it does not know where you are only that you have been near another user They can get that info now without the app if they want to- normally to help in fight against crime So far all the fears for this app could be applied to most apps | |||
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"so no problem having it then all info requested is freely available to the government now I notice the word MAY in the title again not proof and even if they do use it to help in the future is that not a good thing I still cant get past the fact we are not being asked to provide any info that can not be accessed now when I opened the links I was asked to accept cookies. What was that for? Did I give up info If they keep it to learn then all the better I can maybe see people who up to no good being worried but thats another thing " Are you trying to convince yourself or others to download the app? | |||
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"so no problem having it then all info requested is freely available to the government now I notice the word MAY in the title again not proof and even if they do use it to help in the future is that not a good thing I still cant get past the fact we are not being asked to provide any info that can not be accessed now when I opened the links I was asked to accept cookies. What was that for? Did I give up info If they keep it to learn then all the better I can maybe see people who up to no good being worried but thats another thing Are you trying to convince yourself or others to download the app?" Myself its not for me or anyone else to convince others I fully respect people have different views and fears. I am not technical and have a few apps on my phone plus things like facebook ect I am trying to find if there is any info needed for this app that is not already available. So far none but have learnt the data could be stored by the government and used to to reseach in the future. I dont have a problem with this as it may help future situations I have heard a few claims like Its going through parliment so they can force it on you and if your seen using your phone you may be challenged. Turns out to be incorrect so many claims but still waiting to find out how the info differs to anything else we use or that the government can easily access. we can all put claims up like david Icke but thought if the problems people fear can be shown as fact it will help me. I hope i'm making sense but if not I apologise | |||
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"so no problem having it then all info requested is freely available to the government now I notice the word MAY in the title again not proof and even if they do use it to help in the future is that not a good thing I still cant get past the fact we are not being asked to provide any info that can not be accessed now when I opened the links I was asked to accept cookies. What was that for? Did I give up info If they keep it to learn then all the better I can maybe see people who up to no good being worried but thats another thing " "I can maybe see people who up to no good being worried but thats another thing" is rephrasing of "You have nothing to fear, if you have nothing to hide" which is attributed to Joseph Goebbels and others including Tony Blair and William Hague. May I ask if you have curtains or windows blinds in your home? | |||
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"so no problem having it then all info requested is freely available to the government now I notice the word MAY in the title again not proof and even if they do use it to help in the future is that not a good thing I still cant get past the fact we are not being asked to provide any info that can not be accessed now when I opened the links I was asked to accept cookies. What was that for? Did I give up info If they keep it to learn then all the better I can maybe see people who up to no good being worried but thats another thing I can maybe see people who up to no good being worried but thats another thing is rephrasing of "You have nothing to fear, if you have nothing to hide" which is attributed to Joseph Goebbels and others including Tony Blair and William Hague. May I ask if you have curtains or windows blinds in your home? " Looks like I am not doing a very good job of explaining as usual for which I apologise Yes I have curtains If people could see in my house even with the curtains closed I would not bother as the view would be available whether curtains are closed or not Hence my reasoning if the government have the same info now through other apps ect ect why not put it on this app I may be wrong but I think it was not me that said ' if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear' it was another poster | |||
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"Just thinking out loud here...If its all anonymous and self automated....why do the government need 18000 contact tracers in place for when th eApp goes live??" Those are to trace contacts if you don't have an app. They'll be quizzing you over the phone who you've been in close proximity to, for how long, when and where. | |||
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"Just thinking out loud here...If its all anonymous and self automated....why do the government need 18000 contact tracers in place for when th eApp goes live??" Im not sure on the level of automation or even that contact tracers are needed. I would guess and yes it is a guess that they maybe the ones helping contact people if they have been near another user thats later tested positive I thought it might automatically tell you but given the delay between being close to someone and them having a positive test it may need human intervention All they would need is your phone number to call or text you | |||
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"Contact tracers interview people who have tested positive for covid-19 to establish their potential close contacts with others. They then contact people who may have been exposed to the coronavirus to advise them to self-isolate. Some of the 18,000 are expected to be existing and recently retired healthcare professionals, who will be recruited over the next few weeks. If you have been identified as having 'symtoms' that may be associated with the virus and you are living with a person of high risk they or you may be found alternative accomodation to enable isolation for the required period. "Thank you for the info That all sounds perfectly sensible and makes sense to have so many people involved. Hope 18000 is enough given the size of the job | |||
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"Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."" Wise words but not sure it applies in this case . My reasoning is that so far the only info required is not essential info The info / liberty being asked for is already given up via other routes hence my confusion If they asked for things like financial details I would be worried and not proceed As ever I thank you | |||
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"I am trying to find if there is any info needed for this app that is not already available. So far none but have learnt the data could be stored by the government and used to to reseach in the future. I dont have a problem with this as it may help future situations I have heard a few claims like Its going through parliment so they can force it on you and if your seen using your phone you may be challenged. Turns out to be incorrect " so would you like your insurance premiums going up because they know your health would you like to pestered with scams https://www.wired.co.uk/article/nhs-contact-tracing-app-data-privacy the simple thing is you can be traced by any info. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/13/nhs-coronavirus-app-memo-discussed-giving-ministers-power-to-de-anonymise-users https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/02/s_korean_anonymised_health_data_sharing_a_breach_in_waiting/ all to be added to the care data system that uk pms would love to sell to anyone https://www.digitalhealth.net/2019/12/nhs-risks-repeat-care-data-commercialise-medical-records/ yet refuse to do anything with scams | |||
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"I am trying to find if there is any info needed for this app that is not already available. So far none but have learnt the data could be stored by the government and used to to reseach in the future. I dont have a problem with this as it may help future situations I have heard a few claims like Its going through parliment so they can force it on you and if your seen using your phone you may be challenged. Turns out to be incorrect so would you like your insurance premiums going up because they know your health would you like to pestered with scams https://www.wired.co.uk/article/nhs-contact-tracing-app-data-privacy the simple thing is you can be traced by any info. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/13/nhs-coronavirus-app-memo-discussed-giving-ministers-power-to-de-anonymise-users https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/02/s_korean_anonymised_health_data_sharing_a_breach_in_waiting/ all to be added to the care data system that uk pms would love to sell to anyone https://www.digitalhealth.net/2019/12/nhs-risks-repeat-care-data-commercialise-medical-records/ yet refuse to do anything with scams " Sorry for being thick but I do not see what the info requested is any different to what's already available. Insurance for what? Assuming health I would expect an application to ask if you have had covid or not regardless if the app is used or not. Unless someone lies on there application it makes no difference Regarding being pestered well we get that now which highlights the fact the info is already out there Maybe I'm stupid was just trying to get actual facts rather than speculation. You guys have worried me saying about these potential problems hence why I'm asking Thank you | |||
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"I am trying to find if there is any info needed for this app that is not already available. So far none but have learnt the data could be stored by the government and used to to reseach in the future. I dont have a problem with this as it may help future situations I have heard a few claims like Its going through parliment so they can force it on you and if your seen using your phone you may be challenged. Turns out to be incorrect so would you like your insurance premiums going up because they know your health would you like to pestered with scams https://www.wired.co.uk/article/nhs-contact-tracing-app-data-privacy the simple thing is you can be traced by any info. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/13/nhs-coronavirus-app-memo-discussed-giving-ministers-power-to-de-anonymise-users https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/02/s_korean_anonymised_health_data_sharing_a_breach_in_waiting/ all to be added to the care data system that uk pms would love to sell to anyone https://www.digitalhealth.net/2019/12/nhs-risks-repeat-care-data-commercialise-medical-records/ yet refuse to do anything with scams Sorry for being thick but I do not see what the info requested is any different to what's already available. Insurance for what? Assuming health I would expect an application to ask if you have had covid or not regardless if the app is used or not. Unless someone lies on there application it makes no difference Regarding being pestered well we get that now which highlights the fact the info is already out there Maybe I'm stupid was just trying to get actual facts rather than speculation. You guys have worried me saying about these potential problems hence why I'm asking Thank you" He means with all your medical data on a server the data could be sold to insurance companies to adjust their premiums based on the information. Banks and Mortgage lenders could also do the same. Loads of things the information could be used for. | |||
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"I am trying to find if there is any info needed for this app that is not already available. So far none but have learnt the data could be stored by the government and used to to reseach in the future. I dont have a problem with this as it may help future situations I have heard a few claims like Its going through parliment so they can force it on you and if your seen using your phone you may be challenged. Turns out to be incorrect so would you like your insurance premiums going up because they know your health would you like to pestered with scams https://www.wired.co.uk/article/nhs-contact-tracing-app-data-privacy the simple thing is you can be traced by any info. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/13/nhs-coronavirus-app-memo-discussed-giving-ministers-power-to-de-anonymise-users https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/02/s_korean_anonymised_health_data_sharing_a_breach_in_waiting/ all to be added to the care data system that uk pms would love to sell to anyone https://www.digitalhealth.net/2019/12/nhs-risks-repeat-care-data-commercialise-medical-records/ yet refuse to do anything with scams Sorry for being thick but I do not see what the info requested is any different to what's already available. Insurance for what? Assuming health I would expect an application to ask if you have had covid or not regardless if the app is used or not. Unless someone lies on there application it makes no difference Regarding being pestered well we get that now which highlights the fact the info is already out there Maybe I'm stupid was just trying to get actual facts rather than speculation. You guys have worried me saying about these potential problems hence why I'm asking Thank you He means with all your medical data on a server the data could be sold to insurance companies to adjust their premiums based on the information. Banks and Mortgage lenders could also do the same. Loads of things the information could be used for. " But your medical data is already there so nothing is changing Banks and mortgage lenders already pass vast amount of data about you including personal data outside of their systems, for example to all the credit reference agencies | |||
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"I am trying to find if there is any info needed for this app that is not already available. So far none but have learnt the data could be stored by the government and used to to reseach in the future. I dont have a problem with this as it may help future situations I have heard a few claims like Its going through parliment so they can force it on you and if your seen using your phone you may be challenged. Turns out to be incorrect so would you like your insurance premiums going up because they know your health would you like to pestered with scams https://www.wired.co.uk/article/nhs-contact-tracing-app-data-privacy the simple thing is you can be traced by any info. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/13/nhs-coronavirus-app-memo-discussed-giving-ministers-power-to-de-anonymise-users https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/02/s_korean_anonymised_health_data_sharing_a_breach_in_waiting/ all to be added to the care data system that uk pms would love to sell to anyone https://www.digitalhealth.net/2019/12/nhs-risks-repeat-care-data-commercialise-medical-records/ yet refuse to do anything with scams Sorry for being thick but I do not see what the info requested is any different to what's already available. Insurance for what? Assuming health I would expect an application to ask if you have had covid or not regardless if the app is used or not. Unless someone lies on there application it makes no difference Regarding being pestered well we get that now which highlights the fact the info is already out there Maybe I'm stupid was just trying to get actual facts rather than speculation. You guys have worried me saying about these potential problems hence why I'm asking Thank you He means with all your medical data on a server the data could be sold to insurance companies to adjust their premiums based on the information. Banks and Mortgage lenders could also do the same. Loads of things the information could be used for. " Thank you I was guessing that was was meant hence why I said these things will be on application forms and medical history is already check able so no difference Thinking out loud the only info that the app / NHS will know extra is whether you have had covid or not. This info will be have to be declared on any application anyway like pre existing conditions are. If someone enters false data on their application it can be found out just as it can now. Anyway I will await some data that proves this app / info is any worse than what we already use and leave you all in piece as you have been all so kind Xx | |||
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"As someone who works extensively with cyber security I can assure you the protocols used to maintain anonymity in this app are highly robust. There is nothing to fear from app and lots to gain if it alerts you to a potential infection. As for information sharing from the government out to private companies, such as insurance companies for example, there is plenty of constitutional legislation which absolutely prohibits this from happening. The government will only share your data they hold with their own departments, which admittedly might include subcontractors but they are highly legislated as to what they can do with it. If you're worried about any data being striped from your phone I strongly recommend you uninstall ALL Apple apps, navigation apps & anything relating to your banking. There is nothing to fear here. " You may be correct which leads my back to my previous comment Either download it or don't. | |||
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"As someone who works extensively with cyber security I can assure you the protocols used to maintain anonymity in this app are highly robust. " Doesn't a Fab or Facebook degree in cyber security and virology trump your meagre experience tho  | |||
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"Why are folks getting bent out of shape regarding the answers in this post. You either download it or you don't. Should see the posts on the island. According to one of the news publishers if you're not downloading the app - you're against the community. Just waiting for them to add that if you don't have the smartphone to download it - you'll burn in hell for not running to the shop to buy one and turning against the community
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An easy refrain. I wish people would stop and think a little of the ramifications of *not* having a free press before propagating comments like this.
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Lol I'm just replying to the comment that was made by someone who lives and reads the local press.
Her comments, According to one of the news publishers if you're not downloading the app - you're against the community.
So the news publishers have the right to decide "—————- “lol” Yes I read the previous comment as well. One news publisher wrote one item. You turned it into a generalised criticism of “the media”. Which was what I commented about. “Lol” ————————— | |||
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"It beats me why people would not have an app that could protect their family, friends and relatives.Once restrictions are eased and we are allowed to meet a few friends and family it would be a big piece of mind to know you have not been near anyone with the virus so less chance of passing it on to loved ones.These same people are happy for google,amazon etc to have data on them but not the government who already have. You have NI,NHS number a birth certificate a passport fill in a census every 10 years a bank account,polling card in elections a mobile phone,internet contract,etc fuck me how much more info do you think they can glean from an app? ———————- Who you meet, where and when. That info. ————————-No it doesn't." How so? That is what it is *specifically* designed to do. Report back to the centre your contacts, and then contact them. If it knows your phone then it knows your number and it knows your name. It then knows everyone you interact with. And the NHS has such a good relationship with data security and not having links with US data analysts don’t they? ——- | |||
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"As someone who works extensively with cyber security I can assure you the protocols used to maintain anonymity in this app are highly robust. There is nothing to fear from app and lots to gain if it alerts you to a potential infection. As for information sharing from the government out to private companies, such as insurance companies for example, there is plenty of constitutional legislation which absolutely prohibits this from happening. The government will only share your data they hold with their own departments, which admittedly might include subcontractors but they are highly legislated as to what they can do with it. If you're worried about any data being striped from your phone I strongly recommend you uninstall ALL Apple apps, navigation apps & anything relating to your banking. There is nothing to fear here. " Forgive me but that sounds as if it was written by Dominic Cummings. The issue is not that the app may or may not be secure (but let’s err on the side of “it probably won’t be” for the time being. The issue is the government being able to track where you have been and who you have interacted with on a pretty extensive basis. ————- | |||
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"As someone who works extensively with cyber security I can assure you the protocols used to maintain anonymity in this app are highly robust. There is nothing to fear from app and lots to gain if it alerts you to a potential infection. As for information sharing from the government out to private companies, such as insurance companies for example, there is plenty of constitutional legislation which absolutely prohibits this from happening. The government will only share your data they hold with their own departments, which admittedly might include subcontractors but they are highly legislated as to what they can do with it. If you're worried about any data being striped from your phone I strongly recommend you uninstall ALL Apple apps, navigation apps & anything relating to your banking. There is nothing to fear here. Forgive me but that sounds as if it was written by Dominic Cummings. The issue is not that the app may or may not be secure (but let’s err on the side of “it probably won’t be” for the time being. The issue is the government being able to track where you have been and who you have interacted with on a pretty extensive basis. ————-" How is the app registering your location if it’s not using gps ? | |||
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"Always read the small print! Quoted from the apps privacy notice Data Protection Regulation” (GDPR) applies to our processing of your personal data, even if you do not live in Europe. We process two kinds of information about you: This is information about you, your health and your symptoms if unwell, as well as data shared by your phone such as your IP address and location. We process this data in order that: We can better understand symptoms of COVID-19We can track the spread of COVID-19We can advance scientific research into the links between patient's health and their response to infection by COVID-19. In the future we may use this data to help the NHS support sick individuals. Sometimes, when we share data with researchers we export it to countries such as the USA, which have very different kinds of rules on data protection that may not protect your data in the same way as, or as well as, under GDPR. We are permitted to do this, because you consent to our doing it. Because of the nature of the research we carry out, we are unable to set any particular time limit on the storage of your sensitive personal data, but we will keep it under regular review and ensure that it is not kept longer than is necessary. " This is from the Covid-19 Zoe app?? Different app to the NHSX one being discussed | |||
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"As someone who works extensively with cyber security I can assure you the protocols used to maintain anonymity in this app are highly robust. There is nothing to fear from app and lots to gain if it alerts you to a potential infection. As for information sharing from the government out to private companies, such as insurance companies for example, there is plenty of constitutional legislation which absolutely prohibits this from happening. The government will only share your data they hold with their own departments, which admittedly might include subcontractors but they are highly legislated as to what they can do with it. If you're worried about any data being striped from your phone I strongly recommend you uninstall ALL Apple apps, navigation apps & anything relating to your banking. There is nothing to fear here. Forgive me but that sounds as if it was written by Dominic Cummings. The issue is not that the app may or may not be secure (but let’s err on the side of “it probably won’t be” for the time being. The issue is the government being able to track where you have been and who you have interacted with on a pretty extensive basis. ————- How is the app registering your location if it’s not using gps ?" Here's 3 methods, Bluetooth Beacons, the mobile network infrastructure and finally the nationwide mapping of routers. | |||
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"Always read the small print! Quoted from the apps privacy notice Data Protection Regulation” (GDPR) applies to our processing of your personal data, even if you do not live in Europe. We process two kinds of information about you: This is information about you, your health and your symptoms if unwell, as well as data shared by your phone such as your IP address and location. We process this data in order that: We can better understand symptoms of COVID-19We can track the spread of COVID-19We can advance scientific research into the links between patient's health and their response to infection by COVID-19. In the future we may use this data to help the NHS support sick individuals. Sometimes, when we share data with researchers we export it to countries such as the USA, which have very different kinds of rules on data protection that may not protect your data in the same way as, or as well as, under GDPR. We are permitted to do this, because you consent to our doing it. Because of the nature of the research we carry out, we are unable to set any particular time limit on the storage of your sensitive personal data, but we will keep it under regular review and ensure that it is not kept longer than is necessary. " Right at the end not kept longer than necessary - so that means as long as they want it to 
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"As someone who works extensively with cyber security I can assure you the protocols used to maintain anonymity in this app are highly robust. There is nothing to fear from app and lots to gain if it alerts you to a potential infection. As for information sharing from the government out to private companies, such as insurance companies for example, there is plenty of constitutional legislation which absolutely prohibits this from happening. The government will only share your data they hold with their own departments, which admittedly might include subcontractors but they are highly legislated as to what they can do with it. If you're worried about any data being striped from your phone I strongly recommend you uninstall ALL Apple apps, navigation apps & anything relating to your banking. There is nothing to fear here. Forgive me but that sounds as if it was written by Dominic Cummings. The issue is not that the app may or may not be secure (but let’s err on the side of “it probably won’t be” for the time being. The issue is the government being able to track where you have been and who you have interacted with on a pretty extensive basis. ————- How is the app registering your location if it’s not using gps ? Here's 3 methods, Bluetooth Beacons, the mobile network infrastructure and finally the nationwide mapping of routers." None of which are being used by the app or the networks. So how will your location be registered and used? | |||
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" How is the app registering your location if it’s not using gps ?" This is from the T&C of the correct NHS app: "APPLE. In order to use the NHS Covid-19 App and experience the full benefits of the Services, you are required to enable Bluetooth and to allow push notifications from the NHS Covid-19 App. ANDROID. In order to use the NHS Covid-19 App and experience the full benefits of the Services, you are required to enable Bluetooth and location services and to allow push notifications from the NHS Covid-19 App." I don't know how apple works as I'm android user but the question is: Why am I required to enable location services to use the app if it is not monitoring where I am every minute of the day? | |||
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"Apple push notifications use location as triggers. So for example you have a app pertaining to a business on the high street, you could get a notification depending on your location." So much for "not tracking your location" then. | |||
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"Apple push notifications use location as triggers. So for example you have a app pertaining to a business on the high street, you could get a notification depending on your location. So much for "not tracking your location" then." Bluetooth Push notifications has nothing to do with it's GPS location. The app is not registering your physical location . | |||
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"What is the problem with the app, the NHS or the government knowing where you are? Got something to hide? Name and address on electoral roll. Too ten favourite albums, name of pet, favourite colour etc. Etc. On fb. Tesco et al. Probably have more personal information about you than this app will ever have. You do realise that your position can be triangulated from normal mobile phone masts? Then with all the CCTV you can be found. Down load the app, help end lockdown." I don't want every numpty on fab to know where I am. That's what enabling location will do. How easy with social distancing and most people at home to tell who I am if it'll say I'm 0.2 miles away from someone? There are other apps I'm not turning my location on for too. | |||
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"What is the problem with the app, the NHS or the government knowing where you are? Got something to hide? Name and address on electoral roll. Too ten favourite albums, name of pet, favourite colour etc. Etc. On fb. Tesco et al. Probably have more personal information about you than this app will ever have. You do realise that your position can be triangulated from normal mobile phone masts? Then with all the CCTV you can be found. Down load the app, help end lockdown. I don't want every numpty on fab to know where I am. That's what enabling location will do. How easy with social distancing and most people at home to tell who I am if it'll say I'm 0.2 miles away from someone? There are other apps I'm not turning my location on for too." Well switch of location on fab, and other apps that are having no positive effect on ending lockdown. Ps not a very big place you live, never far from anyone | |||
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"What is the problem with the app, the NHS or the government knowing where you are? Got something to hide? Name and address on electoral roll. Too ten favourite albums, name of pet, favourite colour etc. Etc. On fb. Tesco et al. Probably have more personal information about you than this app will ever have. You do realise that your position can be triangulated from normal mobile phone masts? Then with all the CCTV you can be found. Down load the app, help end lockdown. I don't want every numpty on fab to know where I am. That's what enabling location will do. How easy with social distancing and most people at home to tell who I am if it'll say I'm 0.2 miles away from someone? There are other apps I'm not turning my location on for too. Well switch of location on fab, and other apps that are having no positive effect on ending lockdown. Ps not a very big place you live, never far from anyone "You'll have your chance to test the app. Let my know how you get on then. | |||
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"Always read the small print! Quoted from the apps privacy notice Data Protection Regulation” (GDPR) applies to our processing of your personal data, even if you do not live in Europe. We process two kinds of information about you: This is information about you, your health and your symptoms if unwell, as well as data shared by your phone such as your IP address and location. We process this data in order that: We can better understand symptoms of COVID-19We can track the spread of COVID-19We can advance scientific research into the links between patient's health and their response to infection by COVID-19. In the future we may use this data to help the NHS support sick individuals. Sometimes, when we share data with researchers we export it to countries such as the USA, which have very different kinds of rules on data protection that may not protect your data in the same way as, or as well as, under GDPR. We are permitted to do this, because you consent to our doing it. Because of the nature of the research we carry out, we are unable to set any particular time limit on the storage of your sensitive personal data, but we will keep it under regular review and ensure that it is not kept longer than is necessary. " ... Yes I just looked at my Covid Zoe app and as stated that's from there. | |||
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"What is the problem with the app, the NHS or the government knowing where you are? Got something to hide? Name and address on electoral roll. Too ten favourite albums, name of pet, favourite colour etc. Etc. On fb. Tesco et al. Probably have more personal information about you than this app will ever have. You do realise that your position can be triangulated from normal mobile phone masts? Then with all the CCTV you can be found. Down load the app, help end lockdown." Since you use the reference nothing to hide have you informed the doctors that you are a swinger? The app info is attached to your medical info. The app only works with newer phones the older ones cant download the app. | |||
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"Is there a reason that Singapore is choosing to rewrite it's app to uses the Android and iPhone protocols?" More than likely for the same reason the Uk will have to do the same. | |||
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"What is the problem with the app, the NHS or the government knowing where you are? Got something to hide? Name and address on electoral roll. Too ten favourite albums, name of pet, favourite colour etc. Etc. On fb. Tesco et al. Probably have more personal information about you than this app will ever have. You do realise that your position can be triangulated from normal mobile phone masts? Then with all the CCTV you can be found. Down load the app, help end lockdown. I don't want every numpty on fab to know where I am. That's what enabling location will do. How easy with social distancing and most people at home to tell who I am if it'll say I'm 0.2 miles away from someone? There are other apps I'm not turning my location on for too." That's a reply typical of someone who has no basic understanding of how your phone works and your ability to change basic privacy settings. | |||
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"Nothing to hide nothing to fear Either use the app or don't use any apps or anything online, never take out insurance or subscribe to any products like sky, close your bank account and keep your money in cash at home to name a few Try to put energy I to helping not hindering stated from a person that dosnt know the difference between an app and online use from a computer. apps record more than your average computer does. unless your familier how your phone works and companys are honest on what there appps are doing then you can choose. wait till you read these https://www.thecanary.co/feature/2020/05/07/us-surveillance-companys-involvement-with-nhs-is-crossing-a-red-line-warns-civil-liberties-group/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/05/09/coronavirus_tracing_app_source_code/ For example, the apps, which are supposed to be pro-privacy, use Google Analytics and the Firebase Analytics framework, configured in a way to allow personalized web advertisements. Also, they generate a private key that's not private because it gets created on a remote server rather than on the user's device. And they link to insecure HTTP resources. " It's all available now Your trying to protect stuff you gave up years ago I will use it without fear. I prefer to help others especially in times of crisis. People lives could be saved Nothing to hide nothing to fear | |||
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"It's all available now Your trying to protect stuff you gave up years ago I will use it without fear. I prefer to help others especially in times of crisis. People lives could be saved Nothing to hide nothing to fear" I haven't given up to anybody who doesn't need to know or see my bank account details, my login details to any websites I use, my emails, my children's pictures etc. But that's what you will be giving up to those who don't need to know and see when your phone will be hacked in via Bluetooth (the easiest technology to hack) as you'll have to have it on 24/7. | |||
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"It's all available now Your trying to protect stuff you gave up years ago I will use it without fear. I prefer to help others especially in times of crisis. People lives could be saved Nothing to hide nothing to fear I haven't given up to anybody who doesn't need to know or see my bank account details, my login details to any websites I use, my emails, my children's pictures etc. But that's what you will be giving up to those who don't need to know and see when your phone will be hacked in via Bluetooth (the easiest technology to hack) as you'll have to have it on 24/7." All things are hackable. Your bank details are stored and can be accessed by government. All details on your phone can be accessed if needed.your movements are shown on cams. If you are a site supporter on fab you would have taken a risk in paying for it.Being on fab could be used against you if someone really wanted to. If what you will happen is true it will already of happened. Nothing to fear nothing to hide (Yes even on a swinging website) | |||
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"It's all available now Your trying to protect stuff you gave up years ago I will use it without fear. I prefer to help others especially in times of crisis. People lives could be saved Nothing to hide nothing to fear I haven't given up to anybody who doesn't need to know or see my bank account details, my login details to any websites I use, my emails, my children's pictures etc. But that's what you will be giving up to those who don't need to know and see when your phone will be hacked in via Bluetooth (the easiest technology to hack) as you'll have to have it on 24/7. All things are hackable. Your bank details are stored and can be accessed by government. All details on your phone can be accessed if needed.your movements are shown on cams. If you are a site supporter on fab you would have taken a risk in paying for it.Being on fab could be used against you if someone really wanted to. If what you will happen is true it will already of happened. Nothing to fear nothing to hide (Yes even on a swinging website)" I'm not worried about what government knows about me. They know my account? Fine! Hackers on the other hand don't know, and they're the ones I worry about. And yes, everything is hackable, but I'm more comfortable with the odds of being hack via other ways than Bluetooth. | |||
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"It's all available now Your trying to protect stuff you gave up years ago I will use it without fear. I prefer to help others especially in times of crisis. People lives could be saved Nothing to hide nothing to fear I haven't given up to anybody who doesn't need to know or see my bank account details, my login details to any websites I use, my emails, my children's pictures etc. But that's what you will be giving up to those who don't need to know and see when your phone will be hacked in via Bluetooth (the easiest technology to hack) as you'll have to have it on 24/7. All things are hackable. Your bank details are stored and can be accessed by government. All details on your phone can be accessed if needed.your movements are shown on cams. If you are a site supporter on fab you would have taken a risk in paying for it.Being on fab could be used against you if someone really wanted to. If what you will happen is true it will already of happened. Nothing to fear nothing to hide (Yes even on a swinging website) I'm not worried about what government knows about me. They know my account? Fine! Hackers on the other hand don't know, and they're the ones I worry about. And yes, everything is hackable, but I'm more comfortable with the odds of being hack via other ways than Bluetooth." I am not saying only the government can hack if needed but as you mentioned criminals can. They can do this now so all your info is at risk now and has been for some time. Are what you are saying is not so much your details which as we know is already at risk but the method the app uses - Bluetooth? I suppose if you are worried you need to make sure you never use Bluetooth again. Sadly as eluded to before it does not protect you for sure. It's a fact of life today after many years of giving away our details. It seems several countries are using apps in one way or another to help. I can imagine the outrage in the UK did not do this. I just want to do whatever I can for the greater good | |||
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"It's all available now Your trying to protect stuff you gave up years ago I will use it without fear. I prefer to help others especially in times of crisis. People lives could be saved Nothing to hide nothing to fear I haven't given up to anybody who doesn't need to know or see my bank account details, my login details to any websites I use, my emails, my children's pictures etc. But that's what you will be giving up to those who don't need to know and see when your phone will be hacked in via Bluetooth (the easiest technology to hack) as you'll have to have it on 24/7. All things are hackable. Your bank details are stored and can be accessed by government. All details on your phone can be accessed if needed.your movements are shown on cams. If you are a site supporter on fab you would have taken a risk in paying for it.Being on fab could be used against you if someone really wanted to. If what you will happen is true it will already of happened. Nothing to fear nothing to hide (Yes even on a swinging website) I'm not worried about what government knows about me. They know my account? Fine! Hackers on the other hand don't know, and they're the ones I worry about. And yes, everything is hackable, but I'm more comfortable with the odds of being hack via other ways than Bluetooth. I am not saying only the government can hack if needed but as you mentioned criminals can. They can do this now so all your info is at risk now and has been for some time. Are what you are saying is not so much your details which as we know is already at risk but the method the app uses - Bluetooth? I suppose if you are worried you need to make sure you never use Bluetooth again. Sadly as eluded to before it does not protect you for sure. It's a fact of life today after many years of giving away our details. It seems several countries are using apps in one way or another to help. I can imagine the outrage in the UK did not do this. I just want to do whatever I can for the greater good " I have never turned Bluetooth on on my phone before and not intending to turn it on anytime soon. If I had a second smartphone, bracelet or whatever device that the app works on and the device has Bluetooth connectivity - I'd use it. Until then I'm out. | |||
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"It beats me why people would not have an app that could protect their family, friends and relatives.Once restrictions are eased and we are allowed to meet a few friends and family it would be a big piece of mind to know you have not been near anyone with the virus so less chance of passing it on to loved ones.These same people are happy for google,amazon etc to have data on them but not the government who already have. You have NI,NHS number a birth certificate a passport fill in a census every 10 years a bank account,polling card in elections a mobile phone,internet contract,etc fuck me how much more info do you think they can glean from an app?" Totally agree here..... People forget that most of us have Google maps, or some kind of map service on our phones already, that tracks all of us already. The first thing police try get their hands on when someone is suspected of a crime is the person's phone because it's a treasure trove of evidence ..... You not giving over information that Google and apple dont already have on you. And we give that information over without the threat of a pandemic | |||
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"The first thing police try get their hands on when someone is suspected of a crime is the person's phone because it's a treasure trove of evidence ..... . " And for those with nothing to hide it can work on their favour. I had my car cloned  | |||
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"If you use this app you will be giving permission to be be tracked via your phone wherever you go. Biggest invasion of personal liberty and privacy ever in this country. Not for me unless I am forced to." they cant force you.dont want it get rid of your smaet phone for bog standard nokia.myself even if i wanted the app it wont run on my fone its to old.fuck even watsapp wont run on my oparating system anymore that gave up the ghost end of january | |||
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"Thinking on I'll tell you what I'll do. I can't change what other people do but I can do what I want to do so while some of you are carping, shivering, quivering and shaking in your safety first homes some of us will download the app and get out a bit if they let us. It might not be all that successful but hey, I'll be out and about for a bit more and starting to enjoy the new normal a bit and if it works I'll let you know as sometimes you have to take a bit of a risk to enjoy life a little. Dunno about you lot but I am bored to death of staying at home like frikened children. grrrrrrrrrrr" I missed the first. Ive been trying to find the NHS APP. Is it the same one they used for the isle of wight trial | |||
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"Don't spend 15 minutes close to anyone and you don't need the app. " No worries there. I'll be like a virgin the next time I fuck. Maybe get to 2 minutes if I picture Ann Widdecome while I'm doing it.  | |||
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"I've been reporting on the App daily since it was first started "Is that the Covid Symptom chevker app Foxy? I've been using that for 2-3 months. The new NHS track and tracing app is a separate app. I'm unsure if it is in the app stores, ss I've not downloaded it. I did look a couple of weeks ago but didn't see it and assumed it was witheld to just Isle of Wight trial participants. | |||
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"Just to die this off; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53105642 Apple 'not told' about UK's latest app plans Apple says it did not know the UK was working on a "hybrid" version of the NHS coronavirus contact-tracing app using tech it developed with Google. The firm took the unusual step of saying it was also unaware of an issue regarding distance-measuring, which was flagged by Health Secretary Matt Hancock in Thursday's daily briefing. Apple said it was "difficult to understand" the claims. "At what point do they transcend satire? | |||
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"And the new one won't be ready until "the winter". Nice and precise. The Germans and the Swiss apparently have each put their app source code - open source - on github. Can't see a problem with the UK picking that up - but then it wouldn't be "world-beating" would it? " its been cancelled and if anyone wants to use it use either google or apple covid app if you want to do | |||
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"And the new one won't be ready until "the winter". Nice and precise. The Germans and the Swiss apparently have each put their app source code - open source - on github. Can't see a problem with the UK picking that up - but then it wouldn't be "world-beating" would it? its been cancelled and if anyone wants to use it use either google or apple covid app if you want to do " Google and Apple have only modified their operating systems, the phone equivalents of Windows on a desktop computer, so that they can support covid-19 apps that others, such as governments, can make for users to install and run. The 2 companies aren't giving people apps on the phones, that's for others to do. The UK government has suspended its plan for irs original app, as it wasn't functionally possible. They're planning a new one, for launch later this year now | |||
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"I've been reporting on the App daily since it was first started
Is that the Covid Symptom chevker app Foxy? I've been using that for 2-3 months. The new NHS track and tracing app is a separate app. I'm unsure if it is in the app stores, ss I've not downloaded it. I did look a couple of weeks ago but didn't see it and assumed it was witheld to just Isle of Wight trial participants. "Sorry, I didn't see your reply originally, yes it is the Covid reporting App I have been using daily, sorry for any confusion | |||
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"Anything where the government keep tabs on me is an absolute no. Same as going to pubs or whatever and leaving your details - No Thanks. It's bad enough them trying to tell us what to do by staying indoors and what not. No Thanks. ------------------- trying to tell us what to do by staying indoors and what not " You might try reading up on what happened in the last six months. | |||
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"I would have written an app that didn't work for a million, I am not greedy" Ah, you have no future in the government procurement arena then... | |||
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"Thinking on I'll tell you what I'll do. I can't change what other people do but I can do what I want to do so while some of you are carping, shivering, quivering and shaking in your safety first homes some of us will download the app and get out a bit if they let us. It might not be all that successful but hey, I'll be out and about for a bit more and starting to enjoy the new normal a bit and if it works I'll let you know as sometimes you have to take a bit of a risk to enjoy life a little. Dunno about you lot but I am bored to death of staying at home like frikened children. grrrrrrrrrrr whatever risks are within your comfort zone.
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Mrs Berry thank you for you information on what details we may have to enter.
I have not discovered or been told on here about any information I have to give that will do me harm and that is not already available
If understand you to sign up just very basic info i.e. phone number and area I live
If I test positive or in contact I may have to give further info
As long as that info is not financial I do not see the problem ( so far)
Today on tv a reporter also said it does not even know your location only if you have been near someone that later tested positive
Essentially this is it. My issue with the app is that it's centralised and can be modified, built on top off (that officials already mentioned as a possibility) without control, regulation and accountability. I don't trust the government being open about what exactly they add and what data they will be collecting in the future. And I don't trust them to he opened when things will go wrong, say the system is hacked for example. It's way outside my comfort zone and my personal choice not to use it."Do you actually think they don’t have your data anyway..... think you need to turn off all your Wi-fi and get shot of all your smart devices.... | |||
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"Anything where the government keep tabs on me is an absolute no. Same as going to pubs or whatever and leaving your details - No Thanks. It's bad enough them trying to tell us what to do by staying indoors and what not. No Thanks. " They already have data on you it won’t make any difference unless you doing something that illegal activity You have a driving licence and an inter net service and a mobile phone they know who and where you are if you don’t want to be tracked get off the planet | |||
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"Would others prefer a Visitors Book, kept by the pub with name and phone number, or to have something like a website where you recorded name and number, that gave you a scannable QR code etc? The latter would need each pub to have a database of the scanned visitors etc? How would you do it? " You just ring their number on entry. They then have the numbers of all their customers. | |||
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