FabSwingers.com forum: NHS

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

All hail the NHS they can do nothing wrong.

No a terrible ill person with no Cov19, but with liver failure contracts the virus in one of their hospitals - on one of the so called green wards (virus free).

Result they have signed her death warrant, maybe 1 2 3 days left to live and the nastiness they sprout as they are caught out, is the other untold side of the NHS.

So why should I clap ? I can only cry and pray that she no long feels her pains

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All hail the NHS they can do nothing wrong.

No a terrible ill person with no Cov19, but with liver failure contracts the virus in one of their hospitals - on one of the so called green wards (virus free).

Result they have signed her death warrant, maybe 1 2 3 days left to live and the nastiness they sprout as they are caught out, is the other untold side of the NHS.

So why should I clap ? I can only cry and pray that she no long feels her pains"

I don't know your specific circumstances, but sometimes people who get denied a ventilator survive anyway. maybe you can also try to ask help or an opinion to some other doctor?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"All hail the NHS they can do nothing wrong.

No a terrible ill person with no Cov19, but with liver failure contracts the virus in one of their hospitals - on one of the so called green wards (virus free).

Result they have signed her death warrant, maybe 1 2 3 days left to live and the nastiness they sprout as they are caught out, is the other untold side of the NHS.

So why should I clap ? I can only cry and pray that she no long feels her pains"

Do you have someone with you, that you can talk with, family?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All hail the NHS they can do nothing wrong.

No a terrible ill person with no Cov19, but with liver failure contracts the virus in one of their hospitals - on one of the so called green wards (virus free).

Result they have signed her death warrant, maybe 1 2 3 days left to live and the nastiness they sprout as they are caught out, is the other untold side of the NHS.

So why should I clap ? I can only cry and pray that she no long feels her pains

I don't know your specific circumstances, but sometimes people who get denied a ventilator survive anyway. maybe you can also try to ask help or an opinion to some other doctor?"

What?

She is saying someone went in with liver failure and caught covid 19 on a green ward.

Really who mention a ventilator?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I know more about medicine then the average doctor and I am not a doctor

They have denied a transplant for a new liver sliver as "to weak" to survive and due to infection with Cov19 she has not the time any longer (statement consultant).

Thus 3 days to die in her sleep as she is slipping more and more into a 24hour sleep and her liver has eaten her body to nothing.

Nothing to do with air supply to body but to do with negation and indifference

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know more about medicine then the average doctor and I am not a doctor

They have denied a transplant for a new liver sliver as "to weak" to survive and due to infection with Cov19 she has not the time any longer (statement consultant).

Thus 3 days to die in her sleep as she is slipping more and more into a 24hour sleep and her liver has eaten her body to nothing.

Nothing to do with air supply to body but to do with negation and indifference "

Sorry to hear that

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

Oh no

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All hail the NHS they can do nothing wrong.

No a terrible ill person with no Cov19, but with liver failure contracts the virus in one of their hospitals - on one of the so called green wards (virus free).

Result they have signed her death warrant, maybe 1 2 3 days left to live and the nastiness they sprout as they are caught out, is the other untold side of the NHS.

So why should I clap ? I can only cry and pray that she no long feels her pains

I don't know your specific circumstances, but sometimes people who get denied a ventilator survive anyway. maybe you can also try to ask help or an opinion to some other doctor?

What?

She is saying someone went in with liver failure and caught covid 19 on a green ward.

Really who mention a ventilator?"

I assumed that they refused to treat covid because of her condition. I don't understand your point.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"the nastiness they sprout as they are caught out, is the other untold side of the NHS.

You think the NHS is sprouting nastiness ?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All hail the NHS they can do nothing wrong.

No a terrible ill person with no Cov19, but with liver failure contracts the virus in one of their hospitals - on one of the so called green wards (virus free).

Result they have signed her death warrant, maybe 1 2 3 days left to live and the nastiness they sprout as they are caught out, is the other untold side of the NHS.

So why should I clap ? I can only cry and pray that she no long feels her pains

I don't know your specific circumstances, but sometimes people who get denied a ventilator survive anyway. maybe you can also try to ask help or an opinion to some other doctor?

What?

She is saying someone went in with liver failure and caught covid 19 on a green ward.

Really who mention a ventilator?

I assumed that they refused to treat covid because of her condition. I don't understand your point."
Read what she wrote it wasnt hard to understand.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All hail the NHS they can do nothing wrong.

No a terrible ill person with no Cov19, but with liver failure contracts the virus in one of their hospitals - on one of the so called green wards (virus free).

Result they have signed her death warrant, maybe 1 2 3 days left to live and the nastiness they sprout as they are caught out, is the other untold side of the NHS.

So why should I clap ? I can only cry and pray that she no long feels her pains"

The NHS is run by human beings, and human beings are not always infallible, no matter how good they may be in so many other ways. I hope your friend/relative pulls through, but does not suffer.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All hail the NHS they can do nothing wrong.

No a terrible ill person with no Cov19, but with liver failure contracts the virus in one of their hospitals - on one of the so called green wards (virus free).

Result they have signed her death warrant, maybe 1 2 3 days left to live and the nastiness they sprout as they are caught out, is the other untold side of the NHS.

So why should I clap ? I can only cry and pray that she no long feels her pains

I don't know your specific circumstances, but sometimes people who get denied a ventilator survive anyway. maybe you can also try to ask help or an opinion to some other doctor?

What?

She is saying someone went in with liver failure and caught covid 19 on a green ward.

Really who mention a ventilator?

I assumed that they refused to treat covid because of her condition. I don't understand your point. Read what she wrote it wasnt hard to understand."

Okay, I misunderstood, you didn't because you are smarter than me, so what?

I can't believe you want to pick a fight in a thread like this. What is wrong with you?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not picking a fight.

It annoyed me because you never gave her the decency of reading what she wrote be answering her post.

That's all move along.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s the luck of the draw! They have to make difficult decisions based on evidence. It’s harsh but nothing can change that! You should blame the government who dragged its heels on testing/didn’t lock down soon enough/didn’t supply sufficient PPE to stop spread in hospitals. The list goes on and on but if you want to blame the whole NHS and it makes you feel better crack on!

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Clapping is a personal choice. People are typically saluting the frontline staff.

Sadly mistaken will sometimes be made by the best of us and I'd hope we'd learn from them. If an organisational response is at odds with its typical glorious staff attitude, thankfully their staff outnumber the others issuing official edicts etc.

This whole period is awash with experiences that are tragic and awful, just as individual cases. Sadly, we're surrounded by thousands of awful incidences that show the horror of this dreadful disease, that's also pushing systems and people beyond what is reasonable and right. We can only hope that infection numbers can stay low and for us all to do our best for each other.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All hail the NHS they can do nothing wrong.

No a terrible ill person with no Cov19, but with liver failure contracts the virus in one of their hospitals - on one of the so called green wards (virus free).

Result they have signed her death warrant, maybe 1 2 3 days left to live and the nastiness they sprout as they are caught out, is the other untold side of the NHS.

So why should I clap ? I can only cry and pray that she no long feels her pains"

I don't understand how you can blame the NHS for your friend getting covid19.

No ward is ever going to be virus free because people- whether it be a patient or staff member could carry the virus without symptoms. Or touch anything from one area of the hospital and transmit it.

Alot of ill people are having to decide whether they are willing to go into hospital and risk dying off the virus or their chronic illness, its a very sad situation to be in but not the NHS fault.

I'm sorry your friend is dying but maybe you should surround yourself (virtually) with friends etc to overcome this shock.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just looked at your profile and can see its your other half of the couples profile.

Obviously you have a lot of stress at the moment, I hope you are getting the support you need.

There are lots of helpline numbers out there and of course if you feel there is an unprofessional issue in the care they have received you can always contact PALS.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am not picking a fight.

It annoyed me because you never gave her the decency of reading what she wrote be answering her post.

That's all move along."

Presumption.

Maybe as I am he is dyslexic and reads things a little differently to you

Devils advocate n all that

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"All hail the NHS they can do nothing wrong.

No a terrible ill person with no Cov19, but with liver failure contracts the virus in one of their hospitals - on one of the so called green wards (virus free).

Result they have signed her death warrant, maybe 1 2 3 days left to live and the nastiness they sprout as they are caught out, is the other untold side of the NHS.

So why should I clap ? I can only cry and pray that she no long feels her pains

I don't understand how you can blame the NHS for your friend getting covid19.

No ward is ever going to be virus free because people- whether it be a patient or staff member could carry the virus without symptoms. Or touch anything from one area of the hospital and transmit it.

Alot of ill people are having to decide whether they are willing to go into hospital and risk dying off the virus or their chronic illness, its a very sad situation to be in but not the NHS fault.

I'm sorry your friend is dying but maybe you should surround yourself (virtually) with friends etc to overcome this shock.

A) Ward was a green ward so called virus free

B) Mouse was a patient with special care needs the minute she entered the hospital

Other hospitals they place such patients in dedicated single rooms so they don't get any infections

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *arentsgonebadCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

It is vertually impossible to create a virus free zone in hospitals due to the incubation period of the virus , patients are managed as best as possible.side rooms are been used for palliative patients, potential or positive covid patients.

I'm sorry to here about your friend but Im not sure fab is the right place I think if you feel their is such a big error in treatment then pals is the place you need to take this up .

Again sorry for your friend it's a hard time for everyone never mind anyone who is greaving their is support out their

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sending love x

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m sorry for what you’re going through. Anger, hurt and fear are normal emotions at this time.

However, the best thing at the moment may be to concentrate on Mouse and yourself. You’re the only two that matter right now.

The hospital will be able to put you both in touch chaplaincy (which will include all denominations and none) if you feel the need to.

Look after yourself.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 03/05/20 08:07:18]

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ilmissplumpyWoman
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"All hail the NHS they can do nothing wrong.

No a terrible ill person with no Cov19, but with liver failure contracts the virus in one of their hospitals - on one of the so called green wards (virus free).

Result they have signed her death warrant, maybe 1 2 3 days left to live and the nastiness they sprout as they are caught out, is the other untold side of the NHS.

So why should I clap ? I can only cry and pray that she no long feels her pains

I don't know your specific circumstances, but sometimes people who get denied a ventilator survive anyway. maybe you can also try to ask help or an opinion to some other doctor?

What?

She is saying someone went in with liver failure and caught covid 19 on a green ward.

Really who mention a ventilator?

I assumed that they refused to treat covid because of her condition. I don't understand your point."

I think the Op is angry that the lady has gone into hospital & caught Covid19. Very sad indeed

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ottielayWoman
over a year ago

by the bay

So sorry to hear this xx

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Remember to try and look after yourself at this time Op. Sounds like a perfectly natural reaction you are going through.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

So, so sorry OP...this is tragic.I hope you have someone supporting you at this time x

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All hail the NHS they can do nothing wrong.

No a terrible ill person with no Cov19, but with liver failure contracts the virus in one of their hospitals - on one of the so called green wards (virus free).

Result they have signed her death warrant, maybe 1 2 3 days left to live and the nastiness they sprout as they are caught out, is the other untold side of the NHS.

So why should I clap ? I can only cry and pray that she no long feels her pains"

The thing is and without meaning to sound harsh but without the NHS treating her she would have died of liver failure anyway, and potentially a long time ago as it is not an acute condition.

Maybe they should have condemned them to death by refusing to admit them just to be sure they didnt catch covid-19 while an inpatient?

I think your post is quite spiteful in ignoring the care and treatment received over a long period of time.

Sorry for your loss but it's not the fault if the NHS

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Remember to try and look after yourself at this time Op. Sounds like a perfectly natural reaction you are going through. "

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know more about medicine then the average doctor and I am not a doctor

Trust me, you really don't.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"I know more about medicine then the average doctor and I am not a doctor

Trust me, you really don't."

Mate I really don’t think they need anymore pile on at this time.

It’s natural to have all sorts of things going off in the mind surely?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"I know more about medicine then the average doctor and I am not a doctor

Trust me, you really don't.

Mate I really don’t think they need anymore pile on at this time.

It’s natural to have all sorts of things going off in the mind surely? "
,

. Yes it is. It's the hardest thing sitting with a loved one whilst they pass away , all sorts of emotions come in to play.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ampshirehotwifeWoman
over a year ago

Hampshire

"All hail the NHS they can do nothing wrong.

No a terrible ill person with no Cov19, but with liver failure contracts the virus in one of their hospitals - on one of the so called green wards (virus free).

Result they have signed her death warrant, maybe 1 2 3 days left to live and the nastiness they sprout as they are caught out, is the other untold side of the NHS.

So why should I clap ? I can only cry and pray that she no long feels her pains

The thing is and without meaning to sound harsh but without the NHS treating her she would have died of liver failure anyway, and potentially a long time ago as it is not an acute condition.

Maybe they should have condemned them to death by refusing to admit them just to be sure they didnt catch covid-19 while an inpatient?

I think your post is quite spiteful in ignoring the care and treatment received over a long period of time.

Sorry for your loss but it's not the fault if the NHS "

I have to agree.

Op I am sincerely sorry for what you are going through.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *hyguy187Man
over a year ago

Maybe near to you!

Sorry to hear this, it all sounds so awful. Sending love x

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's an awful time and losing a loved one you do want to blame someone.....it takes a while to accept when nothing further can actually be done

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

Without knowing all the personal details of op and their situation am I correct in thinking that if the consultant and their team think a transplant won’t be successful they won’t go ahead also they take into consideration age health etc

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ottielayWoman
over a year ago

by the bay

"All hail the NHS they can do nothing wrong.

No a terrible ill person with no Cov19, but with liver failure contracts the virus in one of their hospitals - on one of the so called green wards (virus free).

Result they have signed her death warrant, maybe 1 2 3 days left to live and the nastiness they sprout as they are caught out, is the other untold side of the NHS.

So why should I clap ? I can only cry and pray that she no long feels her pains

The thing is and without meaning to sound harsh but without the NHS treating her she would have died of liver failure anyway, and potentially a long time ago as it is not an acute condition.

Maybe they should have condemned them to death by refusing to admit them just to be sure they didnt catch covid-19 while an inpatient?

I think your post is quite spiteful in ignoring the care and treatment received over a long period of time.

Sorry for your loss but it's not the fault if the NHS "

Very heartless comment

Have some compassion

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All hail the NHS they can do nothing wrong.

No a terrible ill person with no Cov19, but with liver failure contracts the virus in one of their hospitals - on one of the so called green wards (virus free).

Result they have signed her death warrant, maybe 1 2 3 days left to live and the nastiness they sprout as they are caught out, is the other untold side of the NHS.

So why should I clap ? I can only cry and pray that she no long feels her pains

The thing is and without meaning to sound harsh but without the NHS treating her she would have died of liver failure anyway, and potentially a long time ago as it is not an acute condition.

Maybe they should have condemned them to death by refusing to admit them just to be sure they didnt catch covid-19 while an inpatient?

I think your post is quite spiteful in ignoring the care and treatment received over a long period of time.

Sorry for your loss but it's not the fault if the NHS

Very heartless comment

Have some compassion "

If people are going to slag off the NHS with a very one sided take on events then they have to expect that those of us working in that system might want to defend it.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ottielayWoman
over a year ago

by the bay

"All hail the NHS they can do nothing wrong.

No a terrible ill person with no Cov19, but with liver failure contracts the virus in one of their hospitals - on one of the so called green wards (virus free).

Result they have signed her death warrant, maybe 1 2 3 days left to live and the nastiness they sprout as they are caught out, is the other untold side of the NHS.

So why should I clap ? I can only cry and pray that she no long feels her pains

The thing is and without meaning to sound harsh but without the NHS treating her she would have died of liver failure anyway, and potentially a long time ago as it is not an acute condition.

Maybe they should have condemned them to death by refusing to admit them just to be sure they didnt catch covid-19 while an inpatient?

I think your post is quite spiteful in ignoring the care and treatment received over a long period of time.

Sorry for your loss but it's not the fault if the NHS

Very heartless comment

Have some compassion

If people are going to slag off the NHS with a very one sided take on events then they have to expect that those of us working in that system might want to defend it. "

I also work in that system and I understand that it’s far from perfect and can see why he’s angry

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

We have had great service from the NHS over the past few years, in my family, so many thanks to them, but there will be those that haven't, unfortunately.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"We have had great service from the NHS over the past few years, in my family, so many thanks to them, but there will be those that haven't, unfortunately."

Totally this, as a family with several members who have been in the NHS for decades and some newer with some on the front line and others working from home albeit all are clinical staff we are very much supportive of it..

And we have in the past had the demise of a much loved one quickened because of a mistake during surgery..

It was a genuine mistake and we met the guy just to get an explanation but also to say we don't bear any ill will..

Bike monkey, I can only think that with what your going through at thus time it's affected your responses in this thread because you normally come across as an empathic sort of guy..

Op, it's a shitty old time your going through at the moment and in the next few days and weeks but this will pass and get easier..

In time you may be able to focus on the shared good times..

Best wishes..

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have had great service from the NHS over the past few years, in my family, so many thanks to them, but there will be those that haven't, unfortunately.

And we have in the past had the demise of a much loved one quickened because of a mistake during surgery..

It was a genuine mistake and we met the guy just to get an explanation but also to say we don't bear any ill will..

Bike monkey, I can only think that with what your going through at thus time it's affected your responses in this thread because you normally come across as an empathic sort of guy..

Op, it's a shitty old time your going through at the moment and in the next few days and weeks but this will pass and get easier..

In time you may be able to focus on the shared good times..

Best wishes..

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know more about medicine then the average doctor and I am not a doctor

Stop it Karen. You don’t.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Sometimes saying nothing is better than sticking the knife in

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Back to the OP

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

That's very sad, but testing positive 6 days after being brought into hospital most likely means she was infected before that given the incubation time between infection and showing symptoms or even testing positive.

Sorry for your pain

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

If people are going to slag off the NHS with a very one sided take on events then they have to expect that those of us working in that system might want to defend it. "

I empathise OP. It is a horrible horrible situation. I hope at least you have support networks in place for yourself or have access to them.

I hope that NHS workers who in the main do a fantastic job in difficult times don't feel undervalued. I am not commenting on the case but please have empathy for a distressed soul whether you are a NHS worker or not.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ottielayWoman
over a year ago

by the bay

“Please have empathy for a distressed soul “

Thank you Tom

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"“Please have empathy for a distressed soul “ "

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

Oh my god,

Please don't turn this into a point scoring exercise !

I'm a great believer that there are three sides to every story, in this case it is the OP on one side with the NHS on the other and the truth somewhere in the middle.

Op is at a low point (understandably) and obviously genuinely feels the NHS has failed her.

Better to take down the thread and deal with it through the official routes imo.

I've got to many friends and family involved in the NHS (two confirmed with Covid, infected trying to save and serve others) so I find it insulting for anyone to slag them off.

PLEASE take it down admin it's not the right place or time to see this as peoples rightly feel strongly about how amazing the NHS are right now.

This doesn't take away from what the OP believes has happened but it's the wrong place to vent.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"“Please have empathy for a distressed soul “

Ditto..

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am not picking a fight.

It annoyed me because you never gave her the decency of reading what she wrote be answering her post.

That's all move along.

Presumption.

Maybe as I am he is dyslexic and reads things a little differently to you

Devils advocate n all that"

I'm not dyslexic. Liver failure isn't necessarily an immediate life threat, COVID-19 often is.

I don't know them personally I had no idea of their clinical history or situation.

I just tried to fill the gaps to give a suggestion.

I prefer to think that this person is emotionally involved in the situation and is not thinking lucidly, as I can't think of any other reason why someone could act like this.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By * and R cple4Couple
over a year ago

swansea

If people are going to slag off the NHS with a very one sided take on events then they have to expect that those of us working in that system might want to defend it.

I empathise OP. It is a horrible horrible situation. I hope at least you have support networks in place for yourself or have access to them.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am not picking a fight.

It annoyed me because you never gave her the decency of reading what she wrote be answering her post.

That's all move along.

Presumption.

Maybe as I am he is dyslexic and reads things a little differently to you

Devils advocate n all that

I'm not dyslexic. Liver failure isn't necessarily an immediate life threat, COVID-19 often is.

I don't know them personally I had no idea of their clinical history or situation.

I just tried to fill the gaps to give a suggestion.

I prefer to think that this person is emotionally involved in the situation and is not thinking lucidly, as I can't think of any other reason why someone could act like this."

I'm not getting into specifics about anything as too many people have become C-19 experts in this current state of affairs and as a nurse im well aware of the fact you have stated regarding liver failure.

I was simple trying to say that maybe you had read it differently to how the op was trying to state there opinion.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I am not picking a fight.

It annoyed me because you never gave her the decency of reading what she wrote be answering her post.

That's all move along.

Presumption.

Maybe as I am he is dyslexic and reads things a little differently to you

Devils advocate n all that

I'm not dyslexic. Liver failure isn't necessarily an immediate life threat, COVID-19 often is.

I don't know them personally I had no idea of their clinical history or situation.

I just tried to fill the gaps to give a suggestion.

I prefer to think that this person is emotionally involved in the situation and is not thinking lucidly, as I can't think of any other reason why someone could act like this."

Sir

I do not know you nor you me. I am a very cold calculating person and do not mix things.

The facts are clear and straight, in example it is the right of every patient to obtain a 2nd opinion per NHS charter. Did this hospital do this ? Only after legal threats are they going to obtain this after waiting days

Why must a partner, family member, friend resort to legal threats to obtain basic rights of a patient?

Should it not be that the hospital does it upon request and not deny it ?

So just think of it Sir, when (may God not bring you in such situation) something the same happens to you.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *omesticflightMan
over a year ago

Burton-on-Trent

Theres no predicting with this virus. The green zones could be hermetically-sealed immaculate for a patient's entire stay with 1-to-1 care, but they could catch the virus the second before having entered (or leaving) the building.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

OP your obviously in a very bad place now... and nothing anyone says here will either give you comfort or make you feel any less angry.

Unfortunately we could all plays devils advocate but it wont matter for you...

Green wards dont guarentee though that people wont get it. Someone Could have been tested on entry but not show up as positive for several days.

I lost a family member years ago due to a doctor refusing to refer and knowing better. We did eventually get a 2nd opinion but he died anyway. So I understand the anger as at the time I was fuming. However as time has gone on I've realised that the delay only denied us the truth of what was coming... as there was no treatment that would have helped or prolonged his life sadly.

And whatever the nhs staff are still working risking their lives and those of their families by being in the one place that the virus is most likely to be.

Sorry your going though this

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am not picking a fight.

It annoyed me because you never gave her the decency of reading what she wrote be answering her post.

That's all move along.

Presumption.

Maybe as I am he is dyslexic and reads things a little differently to you

Devils advocate n all that

I'm not dyslexic. Liver failure isn't necessarily an immediate life threat, COVID-19 often is.

I don't know them personally I had no idea of their clinical history or situation.

I just tried to fill the gaps to give a suggestion.

I prefer to think that this person is emotionally involved in the situation and is not thinking lucidly, as I can't think of any other reason why someone could act like this.

Sir

I do not know you nor you me. I am a very cold calculating person and do not mix things.

Why must a partner, family member, friend resort to legal threats to obtain basic rights of a patient?

Should it not be that the hospital does it upon request and not deny it ?

So just think of it Sir, when (may God not bring you in such situation) something the same happens to you.

Infact I suggested you to seek a 2nd opinion from another doctor.

And I totally agree that you should get all the help you need without resorting to legal means.

I'm sorry for you situation, I just tried to help, but maybe there was a bit of misunderstanding.

Take care.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *urekamanfor2Man
over a year ago

Shoreham

Blame the Chinese not the NHS

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"OP your obviously in a very bad place now... and nothing anyone says here will either give you comfort or make you feel any less angry.

Unfortunately we could all plays devils advocate but it wont matter for you...

Green wards dont guarentee though that people wont get it. Someone Could have been tested on entry but not show up as positive for several days.

And whatever the nhs staff are still working risking their lives and those of their families by being in the one place that the virus is most likely to be.

Sorry your going though this "

I'm just going to second this x

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know more about medicine then the average doctor and I am not a doctor

Trust me, you really don't."

There are such things as expert patients. Your average doctor may know how to treat liver disease but he isn't going to have the in depth knowledge as an heptologist. Many patients learn about their own diseases and in relation to themselves, so may have an insight that doctors don't have - Mouse's partner maybe that expert.

Sorry for your circumstances C.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All hail the NHS they can do nothing wrong.

No a terrible ill person with no Cov19, but with liver failure contracts the virus in one of their hospitals - on one of the so called green wards (virus free).

Result they have signed her death warrant, maybe 1 2 3 days left to live and the nastiness they sprout as they are caught out, is the other untold side of the NHS.

So why should I clap ? I can only cry and pray that she no long feels her pains

The thing is and without meaning to sound harsh but without the NHS treating her she would have died of liver failure anyway, and potentially a long time ago as it is not an acute condition.

Maybe they should have condemned them to death by refusing to admit them just to be sure they didnt catch covid-19 while an inpatient?

I think your post is quite spiteful in ignoring the care and treatment received over a long period of time.

Sorry for your loss but it's not the fault if the NHS

Very heartless comment

Have some compassion

If people are going to slag off the NHS with a very one sided take on events then they have to expect that those of us working in that system might want to defend it. "

I was always such an advocate until I became a victim I mean patient of the NHS. It really is a postcode lottery out there.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's very sad, but testing positive 6 days after being brought into hospital most likely means she was infected before that given the incubation time between infection and showing symptoms or even testing positive.

Sorry for your pain"

Impossible to say - the mean time is 5 days, but can be 2-14 (although 11 is in my head for some reason - sorry wobbly brain).

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh my god,

Please don't turn this into a point scoring exercise !

I'm a great believer that there are three sides to every story, in this case it is the OP on one side with the NHS on the other and the truth somewhere in the middle.

Op is at a low point (understandably) and obviously genuinely feels the NHS has failed her.

Better to take down the thread and deal with it through the official routes imo.

I've got to many friends and family involved in the NHS (two confirmed with Covid, infected trying to save and serve others) so I find it insulting for anyone to slag them off.

PLEASE take it down admin it's not the right place or time to see this as peoples rightly feel strongly about how amazing the NHS are right now.

This doesn't take away from what the OP believes has happened but it's the wrong place to vent."

No! No need to remove it! C is not going against any rules. Who are you to say it's the wrong place. People often express their mental health issues here and get support so why shouldn't some other emotional point be shared?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"I know more about medicine then the average doctor and I am not a doctor

Trust me, you really don't.

Sorry for your circumstances C. "

Yes I agree with this. Patients do learn about their own illnesses

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Google is no substitute for a Medical Degree. I would think that the DRs making the decisions work in unison as a team and you have already had a second and third opinion. I lost a good friend this Week but don’t blame the NHS. I could blame the Government for not providing the right PPE but life’s to short! He was unlucky. I have moved on!

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"Google is no substitute for a Medical Degree. I would think that the DRs making the decisions work in unison as a team and you have already had a second and third opinion. I lost a good friend this Week but don’t blame the NHS. I could blame the Government for not providing the right PPE but life’s to short! He was unlucky. I have moved on! "

I am sorry for your loss and I agree Google is no substitute. However, you can take an interest in your illness. My family member was diagnosed with terminal cancer 7 years ago and was given 18 months. She was selected for 3drugs trials. She was treated by a top oncologist in the Royal Marsden in London. She read every paper he had written and every lecture he gave, she knew her illness inside out. He was so impressed with her understanding of detail, she was mentioned in many of his lectures, she was a scientist, which helped.She has only recently passed.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

Post new Message to Thread