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By *ETSHAVEFUN1 OP Man
over a year ago

bromsgrove

I'm not a greate contributor of these forums.

But

The NHS are doing a good job .

No doubt.

Is it just palative care ???.

How many come out of hospital not dead .

????????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

More than go in .....

What is your question / point you want to make?

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By *ETSHAVEFUN1 OP Man
over a year ago

bromsgrove

Were told about the deaths.all the time

What is the treatment????

Why aren't we told about the recovery ???.

No figures about hospital success????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is easier to factually report on "number of patients that died of X communicable disease".

Someone could go into hospital for a knee operation, in for a week.... gets COVID, symptoms clear up.... patient released.... now should that patient be included in number of cases, got covid and recovered..... as this patient was admitted with that.

death certificates are easier.

The treatment..... don't get sick.... don't be overweight.... don't smoke .. don't have an immune system that doesn't want to throw nukes at your own body..... at the moment you personally can treat yourself better than any wonder drug....

Stay well

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By *ETSHAVEFUN1 OP Man
over a year ago

bromsgrove

Yes.

I agree.

There is no treatment.

So look after yourself the best you can.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Oxygen

Psychological support

Trachy with ventilator

IV fluids, medication if needed

Intensive monitoring

Catheter, possible central line

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By *ETSHAVEFUN1 OP Man
over a year ago

bromsgrove

That's looking after the dying !!!!.

It's not treatment !!!!

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"That's looking after the dying !!!!.

It's not treatment !!!!"

Really ?? I think people have and do get discharged from ICU and hospital and, not in a herse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"More than go in .....

What is your question / point you want to make?

How do more come out than go in??

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Oxygen is a treatment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"More than go in .....

What is your question / point you want to make?

How do more come out than go in??"

Maybe maternity?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oxygen is a treatment"

I'm thinking OP is wanting treatment specifically for the virus itself rather than the disease caused by the virus

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"More than go in .....

What is your question / point you want to make?

How do more come out than go in??"

Whoops

I meant... more than die

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By *ETSHAVEFUN1 OP Man
over a year ago

bromsgrove

The point is.

We are not told.

Thay are keen to tell us about the dead.

Why not the survivors????????????

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"The point is.

We are not told.

Thay are keen to tell us about the dead.

Why not the survivors????????????"

I have no idea but, people are surviving.

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By *ETSHAVEFUN1 OP Man
over a year ago

bromsgrove

Yes sure.

Buts wrong with some good news ??

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By *havennaturistsCouple
over a year ago

Banff

Nobody buys newspapers with good news headlines.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

My understanding is that they're working out treatments. As this is new, they're having to guess, with mixed results. But it is getting better, it sounds like. Things are being figured out.

But those in a bad way with this thing are in a very, very bad way.

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By *ETSHAVEFUN1 OP Man
over a year ago

bromsgrove

That's just how sad and wrong all this is.

It keeps coming back to greed.

I believe it's a sin

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"The point is.

We are not told.

Thay are keen to tell us about the dead.

Why not the survivors????????????"
Yes hey do because they tell you how many are in hospital and how many die,work it out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's looking after the dying !!!!.

It's not treatment !!!!"

Palliative care does not give proactive care. It just treats the symptoms. In ICU there's a chance that treatment results in recovery. In palliative care the prognosis is death.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's just how sad and wrong all this is.

It keeps coming back to greed.

I believe it's a sin"

How does someone getting treatment result in greed?

And what's with the?????? Or!!!!!!!

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By *ETSHAVEFUN1 OP Man
over a year ago

bromsgrove

And.

How many come out ??????

We are no told

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's just how sad and wrong all this is.

It keeps coming back to greed.

I believe it's a sin"

Some people view sex outside of marriage as a sin

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"And.

How many come out ??????

We are no told"

There are many possible reasons for this, not just lying.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"That's just how sad and wrong all this is.

It keeps coming back to greed.

I believe it's a sin"

What context do you mean sin

I'm sure figures for recovered from itus exists

I may agree the media does not seems to communicate this data so readily

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By *uliette500Woman
over a year ago

Hull

There is not treatment as there is no cure. They just try to help to support the body as it fights the disease.

Most win some lose.

Sounds a bit brutal but as things stand at the moment that's all there is.

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By *emptd2Man
over a year ago

Burgess Hill & Birmingham

Is a little bit surprising that there's no mention of the recoveries. There surely must be some data.

According to worldometers.info we're one of 8 countries/overseas territories not to publish data on recoveries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is a little bit surprising that there's no mention of the recoveries. There surely must be some data.

According to worldometers.info we're one of 8 countries/overseas territories not to publish data on recoveries.

Maybe the govt feels it would have an adverse effect on our compliance to the lockdown.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

50/50 if you're on a ventilator

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By *ustalittleKinkWoman
over a year ago

in the shadows

"Is a little bit surprising that there's no mention of the recoveries. There surely must be some data.

According to worldometers.info we're one of 8 countries/overseas territories not to publish data on recoveries.

Yes I noted this a while back. Most countries give a % of recovery but the uk don't. Working with the figures I've found via various sites the uk recovery rate seems a hell of a lot lower than other countries. Maybe that's the reason it isn't in black and white for all to see.

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By *emptd2Man
over a year ago

Burgess Hill & Birmingham

"Yes I noted this a while back. Most countries give a % of recovery but the uk don't. Working with the figures I've found via various sites the uk recovery rate seems a hell of a lot lower than other countries. Maybe that's the reason it isn't in black and white for all to see. "
Could also be that it might be difficult to determine the number of recovered especially since it's possible to be reinfected. At this current moment anyway don't think it's been denied yet.

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By *emptd2Man
over a year ago

Burgess Hill & Birmingham

"Maybe the govt feels it would have an adverse effect on our compliance to the lockdown. "
I suppose that might be true in a sense given the protests elsewhere but they are few and far between from what I've read on the net. Excluding the US and that's because POTUS is encouraging them protest which seems highly illogical to me.

Additionally we saw that with a bit of good weather people were disregarding social distancing measures anyway. I don't think the number of recovered would influence the populace greatly if at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is a little bit surprising that there's no mention of the recoveries. There surely must be some data.

According to worldometers.info we're one of 8 countries/overseas territories not to publish data on recoveries.

They were asked this at a briefing a couple of days back. The reply was that they dont know the recovery rate as they don't know how many have been infected due to low testing...or something along that line...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They stopped giving recovery numbers weeks ago. Probably because the numbers were too low.

Many people survive, but they are discharged from hospital

before they recover completely

and in many cases they still have the virus, so can't be officially counted as "recovered". Once they are out of hospital the govern simply don't keep track of them, they didn't even count deaths out of hospitals until few days ago.

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By *rincessvenusCouple
over a year ago

Hull

our local hospital and treated and sent home 2oo plus

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

How?

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By *emptd2Man
over a year ago

Burgess Hill & Birmingham

"They stopped giving recovery numbers weeks ago. Probably because the numbers were too low.

Many people survive, but they are discharged from hospital

before they recover completely

The only figure I can find is 135 but that was from 22nd March.

They also mentioned difficulties capturing numbers due to the lag time, resources being focused elsewhere & inability to document non hospitalised patients.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Figures would be available but you'd need to hunt them down. It's been a tough task getting the death rates sourced for all parts of the health service every day - and only this week have they added care home deaths.

Hospital admissions and treatments are only going to a minority of those infected, so the hospital deaths are from a minority of the population who caught the bug.

Until we've suspended large volumes of testing for long enough, we'll remain somewhat ignorant of how many people are more accurately getting infected.

Once we have widespread accurate testing that can indicate who has been inflected and has antibodies to the virus, and the scale of operation and resources to process, we'll be better able to calculate how much of the population has been exposed. The earlier test types had poorer accuracy levels than are needed. I think they may be planning a trial of 1000 people to be tested, to gauge the effectiveness, before much larger trials that would result in sufficient statistical power to estimate the prevalence in 66 million people.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

How?"

Get pissed and post shite ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's looking after the dying !!!!.

It's not treatment !!!!"

It's treating the knock on effects of the virus.

The virus does not kill you, the virus causes side effects that kill you and them side effects have treatments that the success depends on the serverity you have, underlying health conditions and exposure time before treatment.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"That's looking after the dying !!!!.

It's not treatment !!!!

It's treating the knock on effects of the virus.

What side effects does it cause?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's looking after the dying !!!!.

It's not treatment !!!!

It's treating the knock on effects of the virus.

What side effects does it cause?"

I seen a article last night on about kidney failure in quite a good %. They need more dialysis machines as they dont want to use the ones in the community.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I was more asking the question to this comment.

"The virus does not kill you, the virus causes side effects that kill you"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was more asking the question to this comment.

"The virus does not kill you, the virus causes side effects that kill you""

Ah ok

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I was more asking the question to this comment.

"The virus does not kill you, the virus causes side effects that kill you""

My understanding is that the virus promotes, in some, an extreme overreaction of the immune system, and it's that that leads to death in most cases. But I'm not sure the distinction is desperately meaningful for our purposes as lay people. It's very relevant, probably, for finding treatment.

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