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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Apparently covid 19 is disproportionately killing poorer people as opposed to people at the other end of the economic scale , now I have some thoughts on why that is but I was wondering what anyone else's thoughts may be on this ?

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By *exycouplesswingCouple
over a year ago

Tunbridge Wells

Think it best you give your thoughts first...

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

I haven't heard that, but maybe an influencing factor is that people with less income may live closer together/ more people per home,therefore less room to self isolate and more chance of something being passed person to person.

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT


"Apparently covid 19 is disproportionately killing poorer people as opposed to people at the other end of the economic scale , now I have some thoughts on why that is but I was wondering what anyone else's thoughts may be on this ?"

Tell us yours

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Think it best you give your thoughts first... "

Ok , well there's the fact that most people at the lower end of the economic scale won't have the option to work from home which will bring them into contact with more people thus increase the chance of catching the virus

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The covid-19 doesn’t know and borders or care about finances of people

It preys on everybody

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe unhealthy diet which leads to underlying health issues?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe unhealthy diet which leads to underlying health issues?"

Agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Poorer people generally live closer to their neighbours, for example.high rise buildings often have to have to shop week to week and are not really able to stockpile food to save them go shopping so frequently.

Also many dont have a garden area in which they can go for excercise.

Factor in less nutritious diet and having to still work, it makes sense.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

I think you'll find that this is the case for most eperdemics, not just covid19.

I'm sure that studies are being done on this right now.

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By *atassaTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I think you'll find that this is the case for most eperdemics, not just covid19.

I'm sure that studies are being done on this right now. "

This.

I think it's inevitable for all the reasons suggested.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It definitely is more of a killer for black and mixed race people that’s a fact also obviously those with underlying health conditions

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

Of course it does ... if your poor you have bad housing poor diet , more likely to drink and smoke more , more likely to exercise less and have under lying health conditions .

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"It definitely is more of a killer for black and mixed race people that’s a fact also obviously those with underlying health conditions "

This definitely seems to be the case

I've heard a few experts say that it could be be linked with vitam D and the darker your skin the less your body makes

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By *riar BelisseWoman
over a year ago

Delightful Bliss


"It definitely is more of a killer for black and mixed race people that’s a fact also obviously those with underlying health conditions

This definitely seems to be the case

I've heard a few experts say that it could be be linked with vitam D and the darker your skin the less your body makes"

And they made everyone stay inside, ironic no...

Also diabetes is prevalent in the BAME population

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

I read it kills disproportionately old, poor, black and Asian. I would expect a virus like this to disproportionately kill old and poor due to health and immunity and poor due to population density.

Increase in BAME deaths has been explained I thought by population density of in cities, increased percentage of frontline transport and care workers and cultural and social differences.

Have read the Vitamin D thing and D is related to immunity. Its speculated that as white Caucasians have more genetic mutations than black, Middle Eastern and Asian, they may have increased immunity.

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By *am62Woman
over a year ago

Bristol

It seems like it might kill a whole generation, of these poor elderly especially in care homes. Heart breaking.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

Parts of London you would not think there is a Lockdown

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

There might just be more people classed as poor than classed as wealthy

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"Parts of London you would not think there is a Lockdown "

Which parts? Genuine question

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"Parts of London you would not think there is a Lockdown

Which parts? Genuine question "

nxt door neighbour is working in london uses edgware road to get in and out.says between padfington green nick and marble arch looks like a normal day with the amount of people walking about.dunno bout other places as he gets into and out of london as quick as he can

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Apparently covid 19 is disproportionately killing poorer people as opposed to people at the other end of the economic scale , now I have some thoughts on why that is but I was wondering what anyone else's thoughts may be on this ?"

Interesting post, I've not seen the data on this.

Are you saying the per capita spread of the virus is similar between rich and poor communities but the likelihood of death for those who catch it is higher for poorer people?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently covid 19 is disproportionately killing poorer people as opposed to people at the other end of the economic scale , now I have some thoughts on why that is but I was wondering what anyone else's thoughts may be on this ?

Interesting post, I've not seen the data on this.

Are you saying the per capita spread of the virus is similar between rich and poor communities but the likelihood of death for those who catch it is higher for poorer people?"

Yes. Death rate of those infected is roughly double in deprived areas. Figures for scotland on the news yesterday....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently covid 19 is disproportionately killing poorer people as opposed to people at the other end of the economic scale , now I have some thoughts on why that is but I was wondering what anyone else's thoughts may be on this ?"

I think the "poorer people are more likely to still be working or out there caring for others and the"richer" don't need to leave the house because they don't worry about when the next paycheck is coming etc etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently covid 19 is disproportionately killing poorer people as opposed to people at the other end of the economic scale , now I have some thoughts on why that is but I was wondering what anyone else's thoughts may be on this ?"

Lack of money number 1 factor.

Employment or low end employment cos of number one factor = unfit people!

.... but you could say that about most diseases and virus'...

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Apparently covid 19 is disproportionately killing poorer people as opposed to people at the other end of the economic scale , now I have some thoughts on why that is but I was wondering what anyone else's thoughts may be on this ?

Lack of money number 1 factor.

Employment or low end employment cos of number one factor = unfit people!

.... but you could say that about most diseases and virus'... "

Covid-SARS2 is just another disease

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Apparently covid 19 is disproportionately killing poorer people as opposed to people at the other end of the economic scale , now I have some thoughts on why that is but I was wondering what anyone else's thoughts may be on this ?

Interesting post, I've not seen the data on this.

Are you saying the per capita spread of the virus is similar between rich and poor communities but the likelihood of death for those who catch it is higher for poorer people?

Yes. Death rate of those infected is roughly double in deprived areas. Figures for scotland on the news yesterday...."

Thanks, that's really interesting, suggests the increased deaths are due to intrinsic characteristics (eg underlying health issues) more than lockdown behaviours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe after 12 years of austerity there are more extremes of wealth and poverty and maybe there are more poor people having to live in less space?

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"The covid-19 doesn’t know and borders or care about finances of people

It preys on everybody"

Yes. But the ones with money can do a damn sight better at avoiding it and can get better care if they do get it.

The initial cases in Europe were mainly limited to the better off, as these are the ones that could afford to go travelling to the far side of the world, stopping off for skiing in the alps and sightseeing hither and yon. Then coming back to their more affluent neighbourhoods, playing golf or tennis with their friends... But once it got out into the general population, via the taxi drivers taking these people home from the airport, the shop workers serving them in Sainsburys or Next, the minimum wage cleaners at their gym...

The more people live in close proximity to each other, the more they have to use public transport services, the more they have to keep working even if they feel a bit ill because they can't afford to miss a shift and could even be instantly dismissed from their zero hours job it they don't turn up, the more likely they are to be forced to be close to people that are forced to be close to other people that are forced to be close to still more people...

Let's face it, the only reason that Boris and Cummings got it is that they were being dicks and ignoring all sensible advice about a dangerous disease. Playing the "it's not going to hurt me because I'm a man and it's only flu really and I have top doctors that can treat any minor problems" game. Deliberately shaking hands with sick people in hospitals, as a publicity stunt.

Meanwhile the billionaire Barclay brothers can retreat to their private castle on their private island with their private staff, no doubt getting whatever supplies and luxuries they desire brought in by private boat and unpacked by the lesser staff that live outside and never enter the castle...

So yes the virus might not care whether someone is rich or poor, but it was carried around the world by the rich then allowed to infect the poor. The rich can spend to maximise their chances of avoiding it, and to mitigate the effects if they do get it. The poor find themselves cleaning the hospital floors 16 hours a day with no rubber gloves, then go home to give it to grandad who shares the two bedroomed flat...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently covid 19 is disproportionately killing poorer people as opposed to people at the other end of the economic scale , now I have some thoughts on why that is but I was wondering what anyone else's thoughts may be on this ?

Lack of money number 1 factor.

Employment or low end employment cos of number one factor = unfit people!

.... but you could say that about most diseases and virus'...

Covid-SARS2 is just another disease

"

As I wrote thank you...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I heard about this aswell. I think it's a combination of things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One of the factors I have noticed in the less affluent areas is that I see lots congregating outside of shops...talking upclose to friends as if nothing is happening.

I'm not saying this is the main cause, but it's a bloody big part of it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Well said


"The covid-19 doesn’t know and borders or care about finances of people

It preys on everybody

Yes. But the ones with money can do a damn sight better at avoiding it and can get better care if they do get it.

The initial cases in Europe were mainly limited to the better off, as these are the ones that could afford to go travelling to the far side of the world, stopping off for skiing in the alps and sightseeing hither and yon. Then coming back to their more affluent neighbourhoods, playing golf or tennis with their friends... But once it got out into the general population, via the taxi drivers taking these people home from the airport, the shop workers serving them in Sainsburys or Next, the minimum wage cleaners at their gym...

The more people live in close proximity to each other, the more they have to use public transport services, the more they have to keep working even if they feel a bit ill because they can't afford to miss a shift and could even be instantly dismissed from their zero hours job it they don't turn up, the more likely they are to be forced to be close to people that are forced to be close to other people that are forced to be close to still more people...

Let's face it, the only reason that Boris and Cummings got it is that they were being dicks and ignoring all sensible advice about a dangerous disease. Playing the "it's not going to hurt me because I'm a man and it's only flu really and I have top doctors that can treat any minor problems" game. Deliberately shaking hands with sick people in hospitals, as a publicity stunt.

Meanwhile the billionaire Barclay brothers can retreat to their private castle on their private island with their private staff, no doubt getting whatever supplies and luxuries they desire brought in by private boat and unpacked by the lesser staff that live outside and never enter the castle...

So yes the virus might not care whether someone is rich or poor, but it was carried around the world by the rich then allowed to infect the poor. The rich can spend to maximise their chances of avoiding it, and to mitigate the effects if they do get it. The poor find themselves cleaning the hospital floors 16 hours a day with no rubber gloves, then go home to give it to grandad who shares the two bedroomed flat..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To say "poor" people probably isn't right, in many cases it might be down to personal choice to live in a High Rise or other such accommodation.

That said, people that live in such Accommodation will be sharing the elevator, the elevator buttons, the stairwells and bannisters and the building door entry system.

Once a person in that environment is infected, it will go through there like wildfire.

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By *heHookyMonsterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"The covid-19 doesn’t know and borders or care about finances of people

It preys on everybody"

Exactly! Sounds like a ridiculous Conspiracy again. I wonder what they make of a higher proportion of people from the BAME communities dying? This thing is evil and random, appears to be killing whoever it likes, healthy and with medical issues, money and standard of living hardly comes into it,although it's clear where I live that people in the lower socio-economic brackets seem to primarily be the ones acting like it's not real, are having parties and routinely visiting each others houses, ignoring what's going on - and I'm not talking about heading out to work, caring for others or 'exercising'. You can't teach stupid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Exactly! Sounds like a ridiculous Conspiracy again. I wonder what they make of a higher proportion of people from the BAME communities dying? This thing is evil and random, appears to be killing whoever it likes, healthy and with medical issues, money and standard of living hardly comes into it,although it's clear where I live that people in the lower socio-economic brackets seem to primarily be the ones acting like it's not real, are having parties and routinely visiting each others houses, ignoring what's going on - and I'm not talking about heading out to work, caring for others or 'exercising'. You can't teach stupid. "

Strange that you say that, but I think you have a very valid point!

Caveat: This is purely factual, not intentionally racial in the slightest

We have a known "rough" area a mile away from us and they are having BBQ's and parties more or less every day.

As you say, "you can't teach Stupid"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Parts of London you would not think there is a Lockdown "

Absolutely right. Places like Lambeth and Southwark it's not being adhered to at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Forget the virus world lockdown could kill upto 10 million the 250,000 killed by the virus is a joke.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"The covid-19 doesn’t know and borders or care about finances of people

It preys on everybody

Exactly! Sounds like a ridiculous Conspiracy again. I wonder what they make of a higher proportion of people from the BAME communities dying? This thing is evil and random, appears to be killing whoever it likes, healthy and with medical issues, money and standard of living hardly comes into it,although it's clear where I live that people in the lower socio-economic brackets seem to primarily be the ones acting like it's not real, are having parties and routinely visiting each others houses, ignoring what's going on - and I'm not talking about heading out to work, caring for others or 'exercising'. You can't teach stupid. "

How do you know that isnt happening in rich areas?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" How do you know that isnt happening in rich areas?"

What a ridiculous statement! I would imagine that "Hookster" like us lives in a Rich area and everyone in these posh areas seem to be adhering to the lockdown.

They do seem to think that the 1 hours exercise is mandatory though which we find strange

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


" How do you know that isnt happening in rich areas?

What a ridiculous statement! I would imagine that "Hookster" like us lives in a Rich area and everyone in these posh areas seem to be adhering to the lockdown.

They do seem to think that the 1 hours exercise is mandatory though which we find strange "

Why is it?

I find the claim that only poor people are disobeying the rules more than a little bit anecdotal.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield


"Apparently covid 19 is disproportionately killing poorer people as opposed to people at the other end of the economic scale , now I have some thoughts on why that is but I was wondering what anyone else's thoughts may be on this ?"

The study did not say that it said there were roughly twice as many people in the most deprived places dying of covid-19 than in the least deprived places.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would say that it is doest matter who, the virus dont discriminate.

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish


"Maybe unhealthy diet which leads to underlying health issues?"

Yes i agree also with this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" How do you know that isnt happening in rich areas?

What a ridiculous statement! I would imagine that "Hookster" like us lives in a Rich area and everyone in these posh areas seem to be adhering to the lockdown.

They do seem to think that the 1 hours exercise is mandatory though which we find strange

Why is it?

I find the claim that only poor people are disobeying the rules more than a little bit anecdotal."

Our initial reply was tongue in cheek.

That said, we can only comment upon what we factually see with our own eyes!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I think having to go out to work is a big factor

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


" How do you know that isnt happening in rich areas?

What a ridiculous statement! I would imagine that "Hookster" like us lives in a Rich area and everyone in these posh areas seem to be adhering to the lockdown.

They do seem to think that the 1 hours exercise is mandatory though which we find strange

Why is it?

I find the claim that only poor people are disobeying the rules more than a little bit anecdotal.

Our initial reply was tongue in cheek.

That said, we can only comment upon what we factually see with our own eyes!

"

I thought it may have been

Sorry

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By *arksxMan
over a year ago

Leicester / London

Can you think of any international or even national health crisis that HAS NOT disproportionately targeted lower income classes.

It's already tearing through South America

India and surrounding countries are also are facinf major problems economically and with health care.

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By *iddle ManMan
over a year ago

Walsall


"The covid-19 doesn’t know and borders or care about finances of people

It preys on everybody

Yes. But the ones with money can do a damn sight better at avoiding it and can get better care if they do get it.

The initial cases in Europe were mainly limited to the better off, as these are the ones that could afford to go travelling to the far side of the world, stopping off for skiing in the alps and sightseeing hither and yon. Then coming back to their more affluent neighbourhoods, playing golf or tennis with their friends... But once it got out into the general population, via the taxi drivers taking these people home from the airport, the shop workers serving them in Sainsburys or Next, the minimum wage cleaners at their gym...

The more people live in close proximity to each other, the more they have to use public transport services, the more they have to keep working even if they feel a bit ill because they can't afford to miss a shift and could even be instantly dismissed from their zero hours job it they don't turn up, the more likely they are to be forced to be close to people that are forced to be close to other people that are forced to be close to still more people...

Let's face it, the only reason that Boris and Cummings got it is that they were being dicks and ignoring all sensible advice about a dangerous disease. Playing the "it's not going to hurt me because I'm a man and it's only flu really and I have top doctors that can treat any minor problems" game. Deliberately shaking hands with sick people in hospitals, as a publicity stunt.

Meanwhile the billionaire Barclay brothers can retreat to their private castle on their private island with their private staff, no doubt getting whatever supplies and luxuries they desire brought in by private boat and unpacked by the lesser staff that live outside and never enter the castle...

So yes the virus might not care whether someone is rich or poor, but it was carried around the world by the rich then allowed to infect the poor. The rich can spend to maximise their chances of avoiding it, and to mitigate the effects if they do get it. The poor find themselves cleaning the hospital floors 16 hours a day with no rubber gloves, then go home to give it to grandad who shares the two bedroomed flat..."

A very good point made.

These are just some of the factors that have made it disproportionately worse for certain section of the community. When it is analysed in years to come it will be obvious as to the reason why too. Although what you do to prevent this is a hugely difficult question with easy answers. It's nothing genetic just a society and cultural problem that has led to these results.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"Can you think of any international or even national health crisis that HAS NOT disproportionately targeted lower income classes.

It's already tearing through South America

India and surrounding countries are also are facinf major problems economically and with health care.

"

Gout

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe unhealthy diet which leads to underlying health issues?

Yes i agree also with this."
Yes I believe that too, bacteria and viruses feeds from sugar.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


" Exactly! Sounds like a ridiculous Conspiracy again. I wonder what they make of a higher proportion of people from the BAME communities dying? This thing is evil and random, appears to be killing whoever it likes, healthy and with medical issues, money and standard of living hardly comes into it,although it's clear where I live that people in the lower socio-economic brackets seem to primarily be the ones acting like it's not real, are having parties and routinely visiting each others houses, ignoring what's going on - and I'm not talking about heading out to work, caring for others or 'exercising'. You can't teach stupid.

Strange that you say that, but I think you have a very valid point!

Caveat: This is purely factual, not intentionally racial in the slightest

We have a known "rough" area a mile away from us and they are having BBQ's and parties more or less every day.

As you say, "you can't teach Stupid" "

Not intentionally racist but nevertheless you're conflating intelligence with race and ethnicity.

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island


"Apparently covid 19 is disproportionately killing poorer people as opposed to people at the other end of the economic scale , now I have some thoughts on why that is but I was wondering what anyone else's thoughts may be on this ?"

Poor people can't afford to stay at home.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Strange that you say that, but I think you have a very valid point!

Caveat: This is purely factual, not intentionally racial in the slightest

We have a known "rough" area a mile away from us and they are having BBQ's and parties more or less every day.

As you say, "you can't teach Stupid"

Not intentionally racist but nevertheless you're conflating intelligence with race and ethnicity."

Race and ethnicity were not mentioned, but good try anyway - now jog on there's a good chap.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Poor people tend to be less healthy for a variety of reasons, poverty is the biggest killer in the world.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


" Strange that you say that, but I think you have a very valid point!

Caveat: This is purely factual, not intentionally racial in the slightest

We have a known "rough" area a mile away from us and they are having BBQ's and parties more or less every day.

As you say, "you can't teach Stupid"

Not intentionally racist but nevertheless you're conflating intelligence with race and ethnicity.

Race and ethnicity were not mentioned, but good try anyway - now jog on there's a good chap."

"We have a known "rough" area a mile away from us and they are having BBQ's and parties more or less every day"

Not even a subtle dog whistle but more akin to a pantomime stage wink.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently covid 19 is disproportionately killing poorer people as opposed to people at the other end of the economic scale , now I have some thoughts on why that is but I was wondering what anyone else's thoughts may be on this ?

The study did not say that it said there were roughly twice as many people in the most deprived places dying of covid-19 than in the least deprived places.

"

The study said that the fatality rate of those infected was higher...not that the contraction rate was any different.

Survival rate is worse....

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I think it's perhaps that poorer people are twice as likely to die, compared to the more affluent. I may be out on the numbers and wouldn't be surprised if the risk levels aren't higher.

Reasons - poorer people typically have worse health prospects and life expectancy.

Harsher physical conditions experienced, including working life.

Poorer diet and subsequent impact.

Poorer health care treatments on average through life.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Was watching a live stream out of Atlanta last night. I can see why this is killing poorer people and hitting the black community.

They were partying hard.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it's perhaps that poorer people are twice as likely to die, compared to the more affluent. I may be out on the numbers and wouldn't be surprised if the risk levels aren't higher.

Reasons - poorer people typically have worse health prospects and life expectancy.

Harsher physical conditions experienced, including working life.

Poorer diet and subsequent impact.

Poorer health care treatments on average through life. "

Its definitely this...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The truth as always is there are poor people forced to carry on working because of their circumstances and ending up at higher risk of catching Covid and there are dickheads who think its a paid holiday or are so self-important that they dont see why they should have to conform to social distancing (a recent study said that about 9 per cent of the population - predominantly younger males - were not adhering to the advice) but I have also heard of a very alternative and posh psychotherapist who recently had a party in their front garden because they felt they were complying by not letting people inside their house. The point is that not all poor people are bad and stupid, some very clever and wealthy ones are equally as arrogant, its just they get away with it because they have more space to hide it.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"I think it's perhaps that poorer people are twice as likely to die, compared to the more affluent. I may be out on the numbers and wouldn't be surprised if the risk levels aren't higher.

Reasons - poorer people typically have worse health prospects and life expectancy.

Harsher physical conditions experienced, including working life.

Poorer diet and subsequent impact.

Poorer health care treatments on average through life.

Its definitely this... "

Agreed but this is all well known pre COVID-19 and general health and life expectancy by post code.

What’s new and impacting BAME and Poor people more is additional things like housing and entertainment density, social and cultural , and percentage of front line transport and care workers, because - it’s because so contagious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The covid-19 doesn’t know and borders or care about finances of people

It preys on everybody"

yes true, but it prays on "some" more than others

and does more damage to some more than it does to others

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The truth as always is there are poor people forced to carry on working because of their circumstances and ending up at higher risk of catching Covid and there are dickheads who think its a paid holiday or are so self-important that they dont see why they should have to conform to social distancing (a recent study said that about 9 per cent of the population - predominantly younger males - were not adhering to the advice) but I have also heard of a very alternative and posh psychotherapist who recently had a party in their front garden because they felt they were complying by not letting people inside their house. The point is that not all poor people are bad and stupid, some very clever and wealthy ones are equally as arrogant, its just they get away with it because they have more space to hide it. "

Twas a big fail for boris though

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Was watching a live stream out of Atlanta last night. I can see why this is killing poorer people and hitting the black community.

They were partying hard. "

That doesn't explain the increased per capita death rate amongst those groups though, only the increased infection rate if your assumption's correct.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

A delivery driver had a relevant observation. When he goes to affluent neighbour hoods the occupants are generally holed up in their detached or semi detached property. When he goes to less affluent areas he finds there is more of a community atmosphere with people often in and out of each other’s houses and children running between homes... good for community bad for restricting the spread of CV19 it’s more of a social effect than one of wealth.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"Was watching a live stream out of Atlanta last night. I can see why this is killing poorer people and hitting the black community.

They were partying hard.

That doesn't explain the increased per capita death rate amongst those groups though, only the increased infection rate if your assumption's correct."

Increase infection rate means more deaths. Is there stats to show a difference in mortality rates between ethnic groups who have confirmed infections?

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest


"Was watching a live stream out of Atlanta last night. I can see why this is killing poorer people and hitting the black community.

They were partying hard.

That doesn't explain the increased per capita death rate amongst those groups though, only the increased infection rate if your assumption's correct."

Increased mortality among the black community in the states can probably be attributed to two big factors.

One is diet. Covid-19 strikes harder at people who are obese and diabetic and this is more prevalent on an individual basis in their community.

Second is their darker skin tone. It doesn't absorb as much sunlight and therefore they tend to present diminished Vitamin D levels. Vitamin D is one of the most important factors that contribute to a healthy immune system.

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By *ounty durham bbw coupleCouple
over a year ago

darlington

Poorer people are more likely to have underlying health conditions higher levels of smoking etc. Plus people with little or no food in the house are less likely to stick to restrictions

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By *oft_SensualTV/TS
over a year ago

Yorkshire

I'm not sure why this is news- it's been an accepted maxim within medicine/science/sociology for years, that illness and disease hit poorer people harder!

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By *ob rodMan
over a year ago

lancaster

Poorer people smokes and drink more so have a lower level of general health

The environment is more densely populated .

I work for the utilities go the the better areas people won’t let in there house and very aware and take precautions gloves and keeping there distance

We are doing a lot of work on a large housing association estate . They really don’t care in groups in and out of each other’s houses

We have had engineers threaten because they won’t go into peoples houses to install new service and told they are being ridiculous. They just don’t care

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

Preexisting health conditions and population densities aside, maybe it has something to do with messaging.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Was watching a live stream out of Atlanta last night. I can see why this is killing poorer people and hitting the black community.

They were partying hard.

That doesn't explain the increased per capita death rate amongst those groups though, only the increased infection rate if your assumption's correct.

Increase infection rate means more deaths. Is there stats to show a difference in mortality rates between ethnic groups who have confirmed infections?"

Yes I know, which is why it's important to compare the per capita numbers rather than the totals, yet these groups still appear to be over represented in the numbers of fatalities, which I'd suggested previously could be due to inherent factors rather than behavioural ones which was a point being made by the poster I responded to.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Was watching a live stream out of Atlanta last night. I can see why this is killing poorer people and hitting the black community.

They were partying hard.

That doesn't explain the increased per capita death rate amongst those groups though, only the increased infection rate if your assumption's correct.

Increased mortality among the black community in the states can probably be attributed to two big factors.

One is diet. Covid-19 strikes harder at people who are obese and diabetic and this is more prevalent on an individual basis in their community.

Second is their darker skin tone. It doesn't absorb as much sunlight and therefore they tend to present diminished Vitamin D levels. Vitamin D is one of the most important factors that contribute to a healthy immune system."

This is probably the most logical explanation, there are also other comorbidities which affect BAME groups more significantly than Caucasian ones and increase the Covid19 mortality risk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh and don’t forget that as many bame groups are much more religious than the general population they may have been more likely to have met at their places of worship or charitable works and spread the infection through social contact that way

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Oh and don’t forget that as many bame groups are much more religious than the general population they may have been more likely to have met at their places of worship or charitable works and spread the infection through social contact that way"

I think the question is if you have 100 BAME patients with the virus and 100 Caucasian patients with the virus, why is the number of fatalities in the former group higher?

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