FabSwingers.com forum: Corona Vaccination

By *ickthelick2001 OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

Sir Patrick Vallance, Mat Hancock and the rest of the government seem to be determined to roll out a vaccine as soon as humanely possible. Just wondering what the consensus is about having the vaccine. I personally will not be having the vaccine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sir Patrick Vallance, Mat Hancock and the rest of the government seem to be determined to roll out a vaccine as soon as humanely possible. Just wondering what the consensus is about having the vaccine. I personally will not be having the vaccine.

Why not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you anti vaccination??

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

If it's proven to be safe and effective why on earth wouldn't you have it?

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

I’m certainly not anti-vaccine. But on the other hand not sure I’d want to be the first to try it. Wouldn’t want another Thalidomide incident. These things need time to be properly tested. I fear that the race to be ‘the first’ might put pressure on companies to roll these out too quickly.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Put me at the front of the queue....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Houston we have a problem.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m certainly not anti-vaccine. But on the other hand not sure I’d want to be the first to try it. Wouldn’t want another Thalidomide incident. These things need time to be properly tested. I fear that the race to be ‘the first’ might put pressure on companies to roll these out too quickly.

-Matt"

All medicines have dangers attached to them, it's a question of weighing up the benefits against the potential drawbacks.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

-Matt

All medicines have dangers attached to them, it's a question of weighing up the benefits against the potential drawbacks."

Of course they do. That is what I’m saying. You need to have suitable testing and time to establish what those drawbacks are.

-Matt

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

I wont have it either. My choice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Erm not a medical person but can you get a vaccine for a virus.

Every year they roll out a new flu jab and thats a virus ... just saying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Something for people to think about, there are people who actually CANNOT have vaccines, these are usually people who dont have great immune systems and other health conditions which will make them more likely to be effected seriously. We keep those people safe by enough of us being vaccinated to not spread it about. Think about it, its not just you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Erm not a medical person but can you get a vaccine for a virus.

Every year they roll out a new flu jab and thats a virus ... just saying

Yes, every year there are different types of flu virus because they have mutated, the flu virus is designed to protect you from the most common flu viruses that year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wont have it either. My choice"

Genuinely interested in why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would want to have an antibody test first to see if I’d had the virus before considering a vaccination, but yes it’s important that a large percentage have it to keep those who can’t safe so it’s a difficult decision

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Something for people to think about, there are people who actually CANNOT have vaccines, these are usually people who dont have great immune systems and other health conditions which will make them more likely to be effected seriously. We keep those people safe by enough of us being vaccinated to not spread it about. Think about it, its not just you."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would want to have an antibody test first to see if I’d had the virus before considering a vaccination, but yes it’s important that a large percentage have it to keep those who can’t safe so it’s a difficult decision"

This is what I have been thinking as well, if they can roll out cheap antibody tests that work, it might help, just have to get the % of people with antibodies up to a certain level, doesnt matter how I suppose?

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?"

I would like to read about it more, see some of the effects of having it. When I've had flu jabs I have ended up really unwell. I'm a sceptic. Part of me feels I need to be exposed to it for some immunity. I don't always trust what we are told by Government.

I will wait and see but, wont rush to have the vaccine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Current thinking is that only those who have had a severe case build up enough antibodies to have effective immunity, those who have had a mild case (See footballer Paulo Dybala who has tested positive 4 times in 6 weeks) are no different to people who haven't had it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

I will wait and see but, wont rush to have the vaccine."

That's fair enough, I get a bad reaction to the flu vaccines but I'm aware that's just my immune system kicking in to overdrive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

I will wait and see but, wont rush to have the vaccine."

Do you think youd feel better about it if you were told you only had to have it if you needed it? System a bit like the old bcg where they tested your immunity first? Generally interested in this.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I Respect people’s position if they don’t want it.

For those that wouldn’t have it would you accept the potential restrictions that it could have on your right to travel etc? Perhaps there maybe even restrictions in this country.

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By *atandasmileMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Erm not a medical person but can you get a vaccine for a virus.

Every year they roll out a new flu jab and thats a virus ... just saying

Yes - the first ever vaccine was for a virus: smallpox. That flu jab is also a vaccine. It tends to only give a year or so worth of immunity. I think the main reason for that is the rate at which the flu virus mutates, thus making it unrecognisable to the (vaccine induced) memory of your immune system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Paracetamol, alcohol, salt, sugar.. Cigs.. And much more cause death... Crossing a road gives you 50%chance.

I sure over time ignorance with be over ruled by common sense.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

I will wait and see but, wont rush to have the vaccine.

Do you think youd feel better about it if you were told you only had to have it if you needed it? System a bit like the old bcg where they tested your immunity first? Generally interested in this."

I would have to think about it.

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By *edfred77Couple
over a year ago

warrington

I think it will be mandatory to have the jab..like all the others we have to have..they cant risk another bigger outbreak

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will it be the case that if a person doesn't have the vaccine then that person will be barred entry into another country, large gathering e.g. footie games, concerts, _estivals etc....will they be barred from working in a public environment or just with other colleagues close by....?

Therefore practically making it mandatory.

also has there been a push by big pharma to suggest that if a person develops life threatening conditions because of a bad reaction to the vaccine then the makers cannot be held liable and thus the person cannot sue the company.

all you clever fact checkers will be along in a minute to chuck out the usual 'tin foil hat man' & 'fake news conspiracy theorist' etc etc.

stuff that we've all heard before and is a fantastic retort to someone with a differing opinion about a subject

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Erm not a medical person but can you get a vaccine for a virus.

Every year they roll out a new flu jab and thats a virus ... just saying

Aren't there already multiple different mutations of it though.

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By *atandasmileMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"I think it will be mandatory to have the jab..like all the others we have to have..they cant risk another bigger outbreak"

I don't think there's ever been a mandatory vaccination in the uk before? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

The commonly touted figure for herd immunity for coronavirus is about 70 - 80%. I would think we could probably achieve a higher vaccination rate than that by voluntary means.

I *can* see countries temporarily placing border controls in place which don't allow transit without proof of immunity. Partly because anyone not vaccinated (or otherwise immune) is a potential carrier but perhaps mostly because treating foreigners more strictly than your own citizens is politically easy.

For the record I *would* take a vaccine that has passed the usual safety trials.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

yep i would .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Erm not a medical person but can you get a vaccine for a virus.

Every year they roll out a new flu jab and thats a virus ... just saying

I saw on the news at the start of all this that this professor was saying that they have only ever eradicated one virus in history and that was smallpox.

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By *irtyfuckercoolMan
over a year ago

upton

if the canine is proved too work and is safe yes because cant see any meets until then lol. it would be like having sex without a condom when aids was rife early 80s pot luck lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wont take it either, the approach does carry risks, antibodies to a virus can make a viral infection worse in some cases the best you can do is to work on your immune system to make it better.

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

cheshire

"if the canine is proved too work and is safe yes because cant see any meets until then lol. it would be like having sex without a condom when aids was rife early 80s pot luck lol."

Are you missing your dogging?

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By *atandasmileMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Erm not a medical person but can you get a vaccine for a virus.

Every year they roll out a new flu jab and thats a virus ... just saying

Aren't there already multiple different mutations of it though.

Yes there are. I'm not sure how much the people testing the virus will have to take account of that when testing the vaccine. Someone more knowledgable than I might like to comment.

But coronavirus would appear to have a much slower mutation rate than flu so there is at least a chance that a coronavirus vaccine would confer immunity for longer. But there are other mechanisms by which vaccine conferred immunity fades, so maybe not. It might have to be a yearly shot, like the flu jab or immunity might last a few years. I think the possibility remains open that it might only last a few months (I hope not!)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If enough people take it voluntarily we won't have any reason to make it mandatory.

If the trial follows the usual phases (maybe in parallel to speed up the process) on a large set of volunteers, this vaccine won't be more dangerous than any other new medicine or flu jab.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm interested if those saying they won't risk it are willing to stay in lockdown, or are they expecting others to take the risk to build up immunity in the population.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

I wouldn’t be at the front of the queue for a vaccine ...

I will take my chances without it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will have the vaccine as soon as its available for me.

If I could, I'd have signed up to be part of the current vaccine testing.

I'm a mother. I'm a community carer. So for me, the potential or being able to work without the fear of catching this crap, out weighs the risks or having a jab that will have been tested as far as it can be before it gets to me.

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By *atandasmileMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"For the record I *would* take a vaccine that has passed the usual safety trials."

And I'll add that perhaps the biggest reason I would be vaccinated is so that I was not able to carry and pass the disease on to others. I'm personally in a pretty low risk group.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well said

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

I won’t be having any vaccine thank you ... don’t even have a flu one !!!!

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"I'm interested if those saying they won't risk it are willing to stay in lockdown, or are they expecting others to take the risk to build up immunity in the population."

I haven't been in lockdown, I work as a nurse. I expect nothing of others, it's their choice to have it or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wont take it either, the approach does carry risks, antibodies to a virus can make a viral infection worse in some cases the best you can do is to work on your immune system to make it better."

Some of us have damaged immune systems that don't work properly and never will so we rely on herd immunity to help keep us safe.

I will be at the front of the queue to have it if i'm medically allowed it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won’t be having any vaccine thank you ... don’t even have a flu one !!!!"

But are you in an at risk group..re flu vaccine..? Not everyone gets that. As for most people it doesn't kill them.... CoVid19 on the other hand can kill healthy people..or from a recovering friend..it's far far worse then the worst flu he's had and hit him for 6, for weeks..

So if there is a vaccine..why not?

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By *irtyfuckercoolMan
over a year ago

upton

Vaccine lol

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By *irtyfuckercoolMan
over a year ago

upton

Cant see it being given anyone untill proved safe and works

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By *irtyfuckercoolMan
over a year ago

upton

Does any think meets will be going on before vaccine available ????

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

"I won’t be having any vaccine thank you ... don’t even have a flu one !!!!

So if there is a vaccine..why not?"

I’m a key worker so yes I’m at risk but If you know about your immune system and how to have a healthy one no need to vaccinate ... plus do you know what is in vaccinations .. the trouble is people don’t know how to look after their immune systems what to eat and what supplements to take ... too many people take their body’s health as a given ... smoking obesity drinking poor food lack of exercise and expect to fight these things off

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

wont be putting myself up for it straight away.will wait to see what sort of side effects there may be.yiu look at how long medicines and othrr vacs take to go to market .they tend to wana make sure its safe thats why theres so many ttials on animals first the people.so nope think i will wait and see.anyone remember to peeps who swelled up like balloons at northwick park hospital a few years back during drug trials and tgat was something they had been wirking on for years not something that had been rushed out in months.im no anti vaxer but im very dubious abouy how safe it could be with so little testing

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

It’s takes 15 to 20 years to safely develop a vaccine !!

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"I think it will be mandatory to have the jab..like all the others we have to have..they cant risk another bigger outbreak"

vaccinations aint mandatory

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

You can’t be forced to have a vaccination it’s against your human rights!!!

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

I would seriously google vaccine contents .... fetal aborted cells are in a flu jab!!

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won’t be having any vaccine thank you ... don’t even have a flu one !!!!

So if there is a vaccine..why not?

Being healthy is important but you can't build immunity to flu for 10 years and in general your immune system can't protect you from everything no matter how healthy are you, that is why modern medicine exists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won’t be having any vaccine thank you ... don’t even have a flu one !!!!

So if there is a vaccine..why not?

I had flu 7 yrs ago that will build my immunity up for another couple of years I usually catch it every 10 or so .... your body is a highly organised machine capable of fighting things off but if your not healthy to begin with then you lessen your chances !!"
That is right and as well, a good diet and well being is the key and it can even cure modern day illnesses, bacteria and viruses thrive on sugar, but you never hear anything about it in the media. I wonder why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would seriously google vaccine contents .... fetal aborted cells are in a flu jab!!"

You will never imagine what you average hamburger contains... minced dead animals parts!

Some vaccine (not flu) are produced using some fetal cells obtained in the '60s. Those cells are not part of the vaccine.

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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago

taunton

I think you can be fairly sure if various vaccines had not been invented and used the human race would have probably disappeared many years ago, doubtful if anything is 100% safe for everyone but if we want life back similar to pre lockdown it may be a choice between vaccine and herd immunity.

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By *irtyfuckercoolMan
over a year ago

upton

U think your hoping your body wikl fight it i hope your right x as healthy people young and fit have died x

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

"I would seriously google vaccine contents .... fetal aborted cells are in a flu jab!!

You will never imagine what you average hamburger contains... minced dead animals parts!

Some vaccine (not flu) are produced using some fetal cells obtained in the '60s. Those cells are not part of the vaccine."

Reason why I don’t eat meat !!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I won’t be having any vaccine thank you ... don’t even have a flu one !!!!

So if there is a vaccine..why not?

You're very unlucky if you get flu every 10 years. I've had genuine influenza twice in 63 years, I wouldn't want it again.

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

"U think your hoping your body wikl fight it i hope your right x as healthy people young and fit have died x"

But probably some underlying health issue which not been revealed

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

"I won’t be having any vaccine thank you ... don’t even have a flu one !!!!

So if there is a vaccine..why not?

You're very unlucky if you get flu every 10 years. I've had genuine influenza twice in 63 years, I wouldn't want it again. "

I’m able to manage it I’m fit and healthy !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"U think your hoping your body wikl fight it i hope your right x as healthy people young and fit have died x

But probably some underlying health issue which not been revealed "

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I won’t be having any vaccine thank you ... don’t even have a flu one !!!!

So if there is a vaccine..why not?

I had flu 7 yrs ago that will build my immunity up for another couple of years I usually catch it every 10 or so .... your body is a highly organised machine capable of fighting things off but if your not healthy to begin with then you lessen your chances !!That is right and as well, a good diet and well being is the key and it can even cure modern day illnesses, bacteria and viruses thrive on sugar, but you never hear anything about it in the media. I wonder why?"

Why do you think that is Shag?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I won’t be having any vaccine thank you ... don’t even have a flu one !!!!

So if there is a vaccine..why not?

You're very unlucky if you get flu every 10 years. I've had genuine influenza twice in 63 years, I wouldn't want it again.

I’m able to manage it I’m fit and healthy !!"

Me too.

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

"I won’t be having any vaccine thank you ... don’t even have a flu one !!!!

So if there is a vaccine..why not?

I had flu 7 yrs ago that will build my immunity up for another couple of years I usually catch it every 10 or so .... your body is a highly organised machine capable of fighting things off but if your not healthy to begin with then you lessen your chances !!That is right and as well, a good diet and well being is the key and it can even cure modern day illnesses, bacteria and viruses thrive on sugar, but you never hear anything about it in the media. I wonder why?

Why do you think that is Shag?

Sugar is a killer !!!! Because being ill is an industry a money making machine ... imagine all these people healthy ... bloody hell!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not a chance will we be having the vaccine, chances are it will take 8-10 years for the fatal side effects to be known.

Chances of them finding a vaccine at all are so remote.

A reason we have never been able to vaccinate against the common cold is why we are in this situation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won’t be having any vaccine thank you ... don’t even have a flu one !!!!

So if there is a vaccine..why not?

I had flu 7 yrs ago that will build my immunity up for another couple of years I usually catch it every 10 or so .... your body is a highly organised machine capable of fighting things off but if your not healthy to begin with then you lessen your chances !!That is right and as well, a good diet and well being is the key and it can even cure modern day illnesses, bacteria and viruses thrive on sugar, but you never hear anything about it in the media. I wonder why?

Why do you think that is Shag?

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I think cos they want to make money on vaccines as hysteria causes a panic as a direct cause of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won’t be having any vaccine thank you ... don’t even have a flu one !!!!

So if there is a vaccine..why not?

I had flu 7 yrs ago that will build my immunity up for another couple of years I usually catch it every 10 or so .... your body is a highly organised machine capable of fighting things off but if your not healthy to begin with then you lessen your chances !!That is right and as well, a good diet and well being is the key and it can even cure modern day illnesses, bacteria and viruses thrive on sugar, but you never hear anything about it in the media. I wonder why?"

Because it doesn't make sense?

Human beings thrive on sugar too, you would be dead much before your sugar level is too low for viruses and bacteria.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"I won’t be having any vaccine thank you ... don’t even have a flu one !!!!

So if there is a vaccine..why not?

I had flu 7 yrs ago that will build my immunity up for another couple of years I usually catch it every 10 or so .... your body is a highly organised machine capable of fighting things off but if your not healthy to begin with then you lessen your chances !!That is right and as well, a good diet and well being is the key and it can even cure modern day illnesses, bacteria and viruses thrive on sugar, but you never hear anything about it in the media. I wonder why?

Why do you think that is Shag?

I think cos they want to make money on vaccines as hysteria causes a panic as a direct cause of it."

They being the pharmaceutical companies?

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

"I won’t be having any vaccine thank you ... don’t even have a flu one !!!!

So if there is a vaccine..why not?

I had flu 7 yrs ago that will build my immunity up for another couple of years I usually catch it every 10 or so .... your body is a highly organised machine capable of fighting things off but if your not healthy to begin with then you lessen your chances !!That is right and as well, a good diet and well being is the key and it can even cure modern day illnesses, bacteria and viruses thrive on sugar, but you never hear anything about it in the media. I wonder why?

Why do you think that is Shag?

I think cos they want to make money on vaccines as hysteria causes a panic as a direct cause of it."

Spot on Shag ...., Good old bill gates set to make billions if he has his say !!

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"I won’t be having any vaccine thank you ... don’t even have a flu one !!!!

So if there is a vaccine..why not?

You're very unlucky if you get flu every 10 years. I've had genuine influenza twice in 63 years, I wouldn't want it again.

I’m able to manage it I’m fit and healthy !!"

So was a 39 year old who was in hospital texting his mates chatting to my son who's a physio there when suddenly his sats dropped and he died three days later

You're obviously invincible.

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

Nobody’s saying anyone is invincible ... I just make sure I’m given the best fighting chance possible ... did you know his full medical history ??? And why have 103yr olds recovered ???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Looks like the Tesco workers must all be invincible too as they don't seem to understand what social distancing means

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won’t be having any vaccine thank you ... don’t even have a flu one !!!!

So if there is a vaccine..why not?

I had flu 7 yrs ago that will build my immunity up for another couple of years I usually catch it every 10 or so .... your body is a highly organised machine capable of fighting things off but if your not healthy to begin with then you lessen your chances !!That is right and as well, a good diet and well being is the key and it can even cure modern day illnesses, bacteria and viruses thrive on sugar, but you never hear anything about it in the media. I wonder why?

Because it doesn't make sense?

Human beings thrive on sugar too, you would be dead much before your sugar level is too low for viruses and bacteria."
Not at all, there is good and bad sugars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won’t be having any vaccine thank you ... don’t even have a flu one !!!!

So if there is a vaccine..why not?

I had flu 7 yrs ago that will build my immunity up for another couple of years I usually catch it every 10 or so .... your body is a highly organised machine capable of fighting things off but if your not healthy to begin with then you lessen your chances !!That is right and as well, a good diet and well being is the key and it can even cure modern day illnesses, bacteria and viruses thrive on sugar, but you never hear anything about it in the media. I wonder why?

Why do you think that is Shag?

I think cos they want to make money on vaccines as hysteria causes a panic as a direct cause of it.

Spot on Shag ...., Good old bill gates set to make billions if he has his say !!"
Ty and that is right, he tried it as well in afrika with his vaccines and we have all seen how it went there.

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over a year ago

"I won’t be having any vaccine thank you ... don’t even have a flu one !!!!

So if there is a vaccine..why not?

I had flu 7 yrs ago that will build my immunity up for another couple of years I usually catch it every 10 or so .... your body is a highly organised machine capable of fighting things off but if your not healthy to begin with then you lessen your chances !!That is right and as well, a good diet and well being is the key and it can even cure modern day illnesses, bacteria and viruses thrive on sugar, but you never hear anything about it in the media. I wonder why?

Why do you think that is Shag?

I think cos they want to make money on vaccines as hysteria causes a panic as a direct cause of it.

They being the pharmaceutical companies? "
Yes and the globalists to get even more richer, fear is the biggest weapon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck me. I do wish you had to take a test to be allowed on the internet. Maybe something like a driving test? Just to show you’re capable of safely handing a keyboard.

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By *irtyfuckercoolMan
over a year ago

upton

Ok if we dont have a vaccine in place wat do we do, lockdown hasnt worked it started too latè and was too lax. Wat will we do too get back to a normal life, lockdown be over in a few weeks millions be back working, pubs wont be shut for that much longer or there wont be any and this aint just going to bugger off and dissapear lol

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By *69BANMan
over a year ago

Reading

I never knew swinging could equate to such pseudoscientific views and opinions. There is a complete lack of understanding of the scientific method by many, which is understandable if you don't work in the field or familiar with the process of creating new medicines (including the regulatory process - the same one that brings new cancer treatments to market but aren't subject to the same hysteria). But how many of you against vaccines also feel the need to tell a pilot how to land a plane? Or question a vet on why your dog needs to vaccinated against parvo?

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

Eeeeeeerrrrrr cos it’s my body and I know it best !!! It don’t need a vaccine it’s been with me 60yrs !!! So where’s the cure for cancer???

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

Fuck me some people are morons !!!

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

I won't be having it either OP. By the way, I'm not anti vaccination before anyone starts down that road. I'm choosing not to have this particular one.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?"

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"I never knew swinging could equate to such pseudoscientific views and opinions. There is a complete lack of understanding of the scientific method by many, which is understandable if you don't work in the field or familiar with the process of creating new medicines (including the regulatory process - the same one that brings new cancer treatments to market but aren't subject to the same hysteria). But how many of you against vaccines also feel the need to tell a pilot how to land a plane? Or question a vet on why your dog needs to vaccinated against parvo?"

and how many of these cancer drugs they bring to market have less than a years animal and human trials.like i said earlier i not an anti vaxer but will be waiting to see how the first 5 or 10 million people go with the vaccine first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please don't suggests new weird things to do. The last thing we need is antivaxer trying to land planes

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"I think you can be fairly sure if various vaccines had not been invented and used the human race would have probably disappeared many years ago, doubtful if anything is 100% safe for everyone but if we want life back similar to pre lockdown it may be a choice between vaccine and herd immunity."

the hunan race wouldnt of dissapeared it just wouldnt be as big as it is.look in the slanimal kingdom the striingest survive the week dont.thats what would of happend.did they find a vaccine forr spanish flu or the plauge or did they just run there course?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?"

I lead a very healthy lifestyle (eat well, exercise, dont drink/smoke), whilst others do not.

This makes my immune system stronger and better equipped to fight of disease whilst people who dont lead a healthy lifestyle will have weaker immune systems and more vulnerable to diseases.

If my rights get taken away to cater to them do i have the right to force then to start leading a healthy lifestyle?

Or maybe just maybe we should all just respect each others freedom of choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

I lead a very healthy lifestyle (eat well, exercise, dont drink/smoke), whilst others do not.

This makes my immune system stronger and better equipped to fight of disease whilst people who dont lead a healthy lifestyle will have weaker immune systems and more vulnerable to diseases.

If my rights get taken away to cater to them do i have the right to force then to start leading a healthy lifestyle?

Or maybe just maybe we should all just respect each others freedom of choice."

If being obese was an infective disease I think you should have the right to force them to lose weight.

You are free to do whatever you want until your choices don't put other people lives at risk.

This is why murderers are kept in prison and lose many civil rights.

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By *69BANMan
over a year ago

Reading

"Eeeeeeerrrrrr cos it’s my body and I know it best !!! It don’t need a vaccine it’s been with me 60yrs !!! So where’s the cure for cancer??? "

There are plenty of cancer cures. This shows your ignorance as cancer is not one disease, that's like saying where's the cure for virus.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that. "

It's a choice that will affect other people's lives. Some people can't have vaccines for health reasons, and if enough others just go about unvaccinated for 'personal choice' then they risk spreading the disease and hurting those vulnerable people.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

By that statement, I'll assume you are in favour of taking away people's freedom to choose and compulsory vaccination then. I don't think it will ever end with just compulsory vaccination for one minute.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won’t be having any vaccine thank you ... don’t even have a flu one !!!!

So if there is a vaccine..why not?

You're very unlucky if you get flu every 10 years. I've had genuine influenza twice in 63 years, I wouldn't want it again. "

This .

I have only had flu twice in my life and when I had it 4 year ago it was far far worse than my covid19 experience.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

I didn't say anything about compulsory vaccination.

Do you have anything to say about the fact that your choice not to be vaccinated would put others at risk and potentially kill people?

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By *69BANMan
over a year ago

Reading

That's because 1) the developmental process for cancer drugs is different from vaccines, ie cancer drugs have to specifically target rapidly dividing human cells as best possible (tho immunotherapy is different), whereas vaccines allow our immune system to identify a foreign invader as a preventative step (basic explanation), 2) Vaccines can be developed quickly once we identify the antigen(s), it is the stringent testing that takes the time, 3) vaccines can be an attenuated version to elicit a response (measles, h1n1).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not have vacine well should make que I less for rest of uk at 57 years old you are wll into risk sector

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

I didn't say anything about compulsory vaccination.

Do you have anything to say about the fact that your choice not to be vaccinated would put others at risk and potentially kill people? "

I don't have to justify my decision to you or anyone else. If others want to have it, then fine, that's their choice,they don't have to justify it either. I personally don't want it. I'm pro choice not anti vaccination.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

I didn't say anything about compulsory vaccination.

Do you have anything to say about the fact that your choice not to be vaccinated would put others at risk and potentially kill people?

If you prefer to harm other people than be vaccinated then you clearly are anti-vaccination, and deeply selfish too.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

I didn't say anything about compulsory vaccination.

Do you have anything to say about the fact that your choice not to be vaccinated would put others at risk and potentially kill people?

If you prefer to harm other people than be vaccinated then you clearly are anti-vaccination, and deeply selfish too.

No need to get personal.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I will take any vaccination that's gone through the appropriate approval process, and I will write to my MP to argue that those who do not take it without clear medical reason remain socially distanced from the rest of us, for our safety.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

I didn't say anything about compulsory vaccination.

Do you have anything to say about the fact that your choice not to be vaccinated would put others at risk and potentially kill people?

If you prefer to harm other people than be vaccinated then you clearly are anti-vaccination, and deeply selfish too.

No need to get personal.

Just a statement of fact.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

I didn't say anything about compulsory vaccination.

Do you have anything to say about the fact that your choice not to be vaccinated would put others at risk and potentially kill people?

If you prefer to harm other people than be vaccinated then you clearly are anti-vaccination, and deeply selfish too.

No need to get personal.

Just a statement of fact. "
please feel free to block me and ignore my posts then as I think we should agree to disagree here. You have your reasons, I have mine.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"I will take any vaccination that's gone through the appropriate approval process, and I will write to my MP to argue that those who do not take it without clear medical reason remain socially distanced from the rest of us, for our safety."

Interesting how liberals often come across as the most tyrannical.

If you've had the vaccine and are "immune" then what do you have to worry about in the first place?

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

I genuinely think I've already had it and should therefore hopefully be immune ( Google South Koreas findings on this ) but yes if I hadnt I would have it.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

Interesting how liberals often come across as the most tyrannical.

If you've had the vaccine and are "immune" then what do you have to worry about in the first place?

A very good point.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

I didn't say anything about compulsory vaccination.

Do you have anything to say about the fact that your choice not to be vaccinated would put others at risk and potentially kill people?

If you prefer to harm other people than be vaccinated then you clearly are anti-vaccination, and deeply selfish too.

No need to get personal.

Just a statement of fact. please feel free to block me and ignore my posts then as I think we should agree to disagree here. You have your reasons, I have mine.

Nah, I won't agree to disagree. That's for disagreements where you can respect the other person's point of view.

I believe that putting other people's lives at risk because you don't like the idea of vaccines is selfish and morally abhorrent, and you apparently think it's fine.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

I didn't say anything about compulsory vaccination.

Do you have anything to say about the fact that your choice not to be vaccinated would put others at risk and potentially kill people?

If you prefer to harm other people than be vaccinated then you clearly are anti-vaccination, and deeply selfish too.

No need to get personal.

Just a statement of fact. please feel free to block me and ignore my posts then as I think we should agree to disagree here. You have your reasons, I have mine.

Nah, I won't agree to disagree. That's for disagreements where you can respect the other person's point of view.

I believe that putting other people's lives at risk because you don't like the idea of vaccines is selfish and morally abhorrent, and you apparently think it's fine.

Only someone who is medically ignorant and knows nothing of the matter makes such a blanket statement.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"I genuinely think I've already had it and should therefore hopefully be immune ( Google South Koreas findings on this ) but yes if I hadnt I would have it. "

This ^ I wouldn’t waste a vaccine that someone else could use. I’d much prefer an immunity test first to see if had it already and whether immune to it.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

I didn't say anything about compulsory vaccination.

Do you have anything to say about the fact that your choice not to be vaccinated would put others at risk and potentially kill people?

If you prefer to harm other people than be vaccinated then you clearly are anti-vaccination, and deeply selfish too.

No need to get personal.

Just a statement of fact. please feel free to block me and ignore my posts then as I think we should agree to disagree here. You have your reasons, I have mine.

Nah, I won't agree to disagree. That's for disagreements where you can respect the other person's point of view.

I believe that putting other people's lives at risk because you don't like the idea of vaccines is selfish and morally abhorrent, and you apparently think it's fine.

Only someone who is medically ignorant and knows nothing of the matter makes such a blanket statement."

An impressively fact and argument free post. Well done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Serious lack of scientific knowledge on this subject shown by a lot of people. This is not a criticism, its an observation. Clearly we need to get some scientists people can trust to explain things properly in a way they can understand, because at the moment some of the statements being made are nothing but utter rubbish, the ones about the science that is.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

I didn't say anything about compulsory vaccination.

Do you have anything to say about the fact that your choice not to be vaccinated would put others at risk and potentially kill people?

If you prefer to harm other people than be vaccinated then you clearly are anti-vaccination, and deeply selfish too.

No need to get personal.

Just a statement of fact. please feel free to block me and ignore my posts then as I think we should agree to disagree here. You have your reasons, I have mine.

Nah, I won't agree to disagree. That's for disagreements where you can respect the other person's point of view.

I believe that putting other people's lives at risk because you don't like the idea of vaccines is selfish and morally abhorrent, and you apparently think it's fine.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

I didn't say anything about compulsory vaccination.

Do you have anything to say about the fact that your choice not to be vaccinated would put others at risk and potentially kill people?

If you prefer to harm other people than be vaccinated then you clearly are anti-vaccination, and deeply selfish too.

No need to get personal.

Just a statement of fact. please feel free to block me and ignore my posts then as I think we should agree to disagree here. You have your reasons, I have mine.

Nah, I won't agree to disagree. That's for disagreements where you can respect the other person's point of view.

I believe that putting other people's lives at risk because you don't like the idea of vaccines is selfish and morally abhorrent, and you apparently think it's fine.

Only someone who is medically ignorant and knows nothing of the matter makes such a blanket statement.

An impressively fact and argument free post. Well done. "

There's no use in presenting facts to someone who from their posts is so driven by ideology that they would insult others who don't agree with them

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

How can they enforce that though?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

There's no use in presenting facts to someone who from their posts is so driven by ideology that they would insult others who don't agree with them

My 'ideology' that people who don't get vaccinated out of choice are risking the lives of those that can't be vaccinated?

Please, give it a try. Tell me why this position is wrong.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

I didn't say anything about compulsory vaccination.

Do you have anything to say about the fact that your choice not to be vaccinated would put others at risk and potentially kill people?

If you prefer to harm other people than be vaccinated then you clearly are anti-vaccination, and deeply selfish too.

No need to get personal.

Just a statement of fact. please feel free to block me and ignore my posts then as I think we should agree to disagree here. You have your reasons, I have mine.

Nah, I won't agree to disagree. That's for disagreements where you can respect the other person's point of view.

I believe that putting other people's lives at risk because you don't like the idea of vaccines is selfish and morally abhorrent, and you apparently think it's fine.

Only someone who is medically ignorant and knows nothing of the matter makes such a blanket statement.

An impressively fact and argument free post. Well done.

There's no use in presenting facts to someone who from their posts is so driven by ideology that they would insult others who don't agree with them

That's exactly why I felt no need to justify my reasons for not having it. Thanks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And i will be writing to my MP to argue that those who do take the vaccine have to stay in strict lock down for the next 30 days because they will be shredding and spreading the virus to people they come into contact.

Same goes for people that get the flu vaccine in future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am aware of the rights of each individual to be able to choose. However all though each person is a whole they are part of a bigger whole that is everyone. Our choices have consequences on not only ourselves but others too. It behoves us all to think about what is good for us all. It is a lesson that Covid is encouraging us all to learn.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"I am aware of the rights of each individual to be able to choose. However all though each person is a whole they are part of a bigger whole that is everyone. Our choices have consequences on not only ourselves but others too. It behoves us all to think about what is good for us all. It is a lesson that Covid is encouraging us all to learn."

Tolerance would be another lesson to learn for some people as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tolerance would be another lesson to learn for some people as well. "

Indeed tolerance is an important lesson. I wouldn’t disagree.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

Tolerance is great.

So is consideration for other people's actual lives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tolerance is great.

So is consideration for other people's actual lives. "
they are not mutually exclusive.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

Tolerance would be another lesson to learn for some people as well.

Indeed tolerance is an important lesson. I wouldn’t disagree."

I think this virus has truly brought out the worst in some people. Such a shame as its not just on here, either.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

So those that are asking for all to have the vaccination, as and when it becomes available, to stop infecting others.

Will you now be expecting every individual to have a flu jab every year for the same reason ? It’s still contagious and kills thousands every year

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"So those that are asking for all to have the vaccination, as and when it becomes available, to stop infecting others.

Will you now be expecting every individual to have a flu jab every year for the same reason ? It’s still contagious and kills thousands every year"

I had a bad reaction to a flu jab, not had another one since. Fortunately I haven't had flu either since then. I only drink the odd alcoholic drink and no longer smoke or vape, so my health is fairly good.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"So those that are asking for all to have the vaccination, as and when it becomes available, to stop infecting others.

Will you now be expecting every individual to have a flu jab every year for the same reason ? It’s still contagious and kills thousands every year"

Well, the research so far suggests that covid is more dangerous and spreads more easily than flu.

But the more people vaccinated against flu the better, for sure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So those that are asking for all to have the vaccination, as and when it becomes available, to stop infecting others.

Will you now be expecting every individual to have a flu jab every year for the same reason ? It’s still contagious and kills thousands every year"

Exactly and remember a flu jab only covers you for certain strains, not all

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"So those that are asking for all to have the vaccination, as and when it becomes available, to stop infecting others.

Will you now be expecting every individual to have a flu jab every year for the same reason ? It’s still contagious and kills thousands every year

I’ve never had the flu and never had a vaccine, what they thought was flu turned out to be glandular fever. I occasionally drink now but do still smoke, but I’ve never once thought about having the yearly vaccine nor about giving it to my lad.

Again for me it’s one of those they only make so many of and id rather it’s goes to those that need it and don’t have the ability to fight the slightest of infections

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"So those that are asking for all to have the vaccination, as and when it becomes available, to stop infecting others.

Will you now be expecting every individual to have a flu jab every year for the same reason ? It’s still contagious and kills thousands every year

Well, the research so far suggests that covid is more dangerous and spreads more easily than flu.

But the more people vaccinated against flu the better, for sure. "

It’s a different strain every year you are vaccinated against, doesn’t stop you catching it if a new / different strain is circulating.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"So those that are asking for all to have the vaccination, as and when it becomes available, to stop infecting others.

Will you now be expecting every individual to have a flu jab every year for the same reason ? It’s still contagious and kills thousands every year

Again for me it’s one of those they only make so many of and id rather it’s goes to those that need it and don’t have the ability to fight the slightest of infections "

I think the same way. I'd rather the more vulnerable had it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tolerance would be another lesson to learn for some people as well.

Indeed tolerance is an important lesson. I wouldn’t disagree.

I think this virus has truly brought out the worst in some people. Such a shame as its not just on here, either. "

yes I have been feeling disbelieving, sad, angry, fearful, anxious, elated, hopeful, stuck, paralysed, excited, curious, contemplative, galvanised and joyful at different times throughout this outbreak. I have heard of the worst of human behaviour and seen some of the best and everything in between.

We have the opportunity to stop, listen and really think about what is happening and what needs to happen in the future for the good of us all. whether vaccination is good for the whole needs to be questioned so that proper testing of effects can be done and also recognise that if it is safe for most people it isn’t necessarily safe for all. We need to be able to make informed decisions based on evidence that shared transparently. We need to give each other space and listen. Behaving as warriors in our discussions just prevents us from listening, just as much as eye rolling and passively aggressively dismissing others opinions prevents us from hearing the truths in what each other says.

Our solutions won’t come from the same level of thinking that created them.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

Tolerance would be another lesson to learn for some people as well.

Indeed tolerance is an important lesson. I wouldn’t disagree.

I think this virus has truly brought out the worst in some people. Such a shame as its not just on here, either.

Our solutions won’t come from the same level of thinking that created them."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know I said this earlier in the thread but going to say it again, a lot of the most vulnerable people cant actually have vaccines, the science on it takes this into account, its about stopping transmission in the community to protect these people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Listen not one person on here has any more expertise on this subject that any one else.

Even the "experts" change their views on a daily basis.

Covid 19 is a brutal killer that does not discriminate about who gets it, anyone is at risk. Fit and healthy has nothing to with it.

If it didn't then only the at risk people would be falling ill with it.

Sadly everyday different people are being found to be in the at risk category and not even knowing it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Healthy people need to get the vaccine to save lives of vulnerable people. If you think you are healthy (most people who claim being healthy probably aren't) and decide to not take the vaccine because "who cares I'm going to be okay anyway" are both naive and selfish.

If this offends you, you should reconsider your position.

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By *ensualguy70TV/TS
over a year ago

paisley

Hancock has shares in the pharmacutical company who is rolling out these vaccinations

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"So those that are asking for all to have the vaccination, as and when it becomes available, to stop infecting others.

Will you now be expecting every individual to have a flu jab every year for the same reason ? It’s still contagious and kills thousands every year

Well, the research so far suggests that covid is more dangerous and spreads more easily than flu.

But the more people vaccinated against flu the better, for sure.

It’s a different strain every year you are vaccinated against, doesn’t stop you catching it if a new / different strain is circulating. "

Yes? Not sure what that has to do with my post.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hancock has shares in the pharmacutical company who is rolling out these vaccinations"

Can you name the company?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hancock has shares in the pharmacutical company who is rolling out these vaccinations"

He had shares in Oxford Uni?

Stop talking shit!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hancock has shares in the pharmacutical company who is rolling out these vaccinations"

That is an interesting assertion. What is your source?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hancock has shares in the pharmacutical company who is rolling out these vaccinations"

Probably most of us have through pension schemes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m a key worker so yes I’m at risk"

No just being a key worker doesn't place you at risk (re flu)..they offer the vaccine..as 1..if lots of key workers get the flue it massively impacts on those services ability to function.. 2..you are lily to come into repeat contact..there for risk if exposure..

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Healthy people need to get the vaccine to save lives of vulnerable people. If you think you are healthy (most people who claim being healthy probably aren't) and decide to not take the vaccine because "who cares I'm going to be okay anyway" are both naive and selfish.

If this offends you, you should reconsider your position."

Strong rhetoric

Excellent

Now could you list the contraindications of the cov-sars2 vaccine please

Knowing these may indeed persuade the unsure to take it

I'm aware a number of NOVEL ways are being tried and would know how we will know the implications on unborn children until tested

I'm not sure quite why so much trust and hope is being placed upon a vaccine that will not have had adequate testing that may normally give us the ability to claim emphatically scientific method had proven something

Bearing in mind cov-SARS1 and the other corona virus that have infected humanity for over a decade still have no vaccine

Now I understand a lot of resources are being thrown at this and its plausible this will speed up a discovery

However I think it perfectly rational to be sceptical of a rushed alleged vaccine

Harsh words regarding selfishness appear to me to be social posturing rather than an articulate rational considerate view

I'll ask clearly once more

Now could you list the contraindications of the cov-sars2 vaccine please

Because if a poster cannot list these they have little weight to their argument of selfishness

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

If this offends you, you should reconsider your position.

Strong rhetoric

Excellent

Now could you list the contraindications of the cov-sars2 vaccine please

Knowing these may indeed persuade the unsure to take it

I'm aware a number of NOVEL ways are being tried and would know how we will know the implications on unborn children until tested

Bearing in mind cov-SARS1 and the other corona virus that have infected humanity for over a decade still have no vaccine

Now I understand a lot of resources are being thrown at this and its plausible this will speed up a discovery

However I think it perfectly rational to be sceptical of a rushed alleged vaccine

Harsh words regarding selfishness appear to me to be social posturing rather than an articulate rational considerate view

I'll ask clearly once more

Now could you list the contraindications of the cov-sars2 vaccine please

Because if a poster cannot list these they have little weight to their argument of selfishness

Very well said.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

If it's fully passed standard safety and efficacy tests, not likely to be superceded by an alternative that has better credentials for the purpose, then I would likely have it.

It will have been researched, with its full details accessible.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

If this offends you, you should reconsider your position.

Strong rhetoric

Excellent

Now could you list the contraindications of the cov-sars2 vaccine please

Knowing these may indeed persuade the unsure to take it

I'm aware a number of NOVEL ways are being tried and would know how we will know the implications on unborn children until tested

Bearing in mind cov-SARS1 and the other corona virus that have infected humanity for over a decade still have no vaccine

Now I understand a lot of resources are being thrown at this and its plausible this will speed up a discovery

However I think it perfectly rational to be sceptical of a rushed alleged vaccine

Harsh words regarding selfishness appear to me to be social posturing rather than an articulate rational considerate view

I'll ask clearly once more

Now could you list the contraindications of the cov-sars2 vaccine please

Because if a poster cannot list these they have little weight to their argument of selfishness

We don't have a vaccine available yet, so the efficacy and contraindications of something that doesn't exist are also zero.

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Dorset

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Erm not a medical person but can you get a vaccine for a virus.

Every year they roll out a new flu jab and thats a virus ... just saying

Measles,mumps and rubella are all viral

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

I didn't say anything about compulsory vaccination.

Do you have anything to say about the fact that your choice not to be vaccinated would put others at risk and potentially kill people?

If you prefer to harm other people than be vaccinated then you clearly are anti-vaccination, and deeply selfish too.

No need to get personal.

Just a statement of fact. please feel free to block me and ignore my posts then as I think we should agree to disagree here. You have your reasons, I have mine.

Nah, I won't agree to disagree. That's for disagreements where you can respect the other person's point of view.

I believe that putting other people's lives at risk because you don't like the idea of vaccines is selfish and morally abhorrent, and you apparently think it's fine.

Only someone who is medically ignorant and knows nothing of the matter makes such a blanket statement.

An impressively fact and argument free post. Well done.

There's no use in presenting facts to someone who from their posts is so driven by ideology that they would insult others who don't agree with them

It would really help your case Chill if you could back up your assertions with some evidence to the contrary. I find it hard to see what underpins your opinions.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Same goes for people that get the flu vaccine in future.

It's an interesting proposal that carries weight, though we don't have a vaccine yet. The vaccine constituents aren't available because of this, though I'm assuming that people won't get the live virus, which could be deadly.

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By *aastyKnixWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

It seems to me that it would be quite unlikely for a vaccine to be made mandatory. That's just not how we do things but, I can easily imagine scenarios where people are denied access to travel,public places and employment premises if they have not been vaccinated.

It may not be compulsory but, there are ways of making life very difficult for those who don't comply.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

Now could you list the contraindications of the cov-sars2 vaccine please

Because if a poster cannot list these they have little weight to their argument of selfishness

It's really not relevant. The argument is that people who are able to safely have the vaccine should do so.

People in this thread aren't saying they won't be vaccinated because they can't, they're saying they won't because 'it's my choice'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

HELL NO!!

Thankfully the rest of the Internet are waking up and will not be taking the vaccine.

Fab as always is well asleep.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

I didn't say anything about compulsory vaccination.

Do you have anything to say about the fact that your choice not to be vaccinated would put others at risk and potentially kill people?

If you prefer to harm other people than be vaccinated then you clearly are anti-vaccination, and deeply selfish too.

No need to get personal.

Just a statement of fact. please feel free to block me and ignore my posts then as I think we should agree to disagree here. You have your reasons, I have mine.

Nah, I won't agree to disagree. That's for disagreements where you can respect the other person's point of view.

I believe that putting other people's lives at risk because you don't like the idea of vaccines is selfish and morally abhorrent, and you apparently think it's fine.

Only someone who is medically ignorant and knows nothing of the matter makes such a blanket statement.

An impressively fact and argument free post. Well done.

There's no use in presenting facts to someone who from their posts is so driven by ideology that they would insult others who don't agree with them

It would really help your case Chill if you could back up your assertions with some evidence to the contrary. I find it hard to see what underpins your opinions."

I think the gist of what he is saying in his last post is that even if facts are presented, they will be ignored by by the more rabid pro-vaccers with their 100% right and holier than thou attitudes, so there's no point in doing it in the first place.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

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By *aastyKnixWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"It seems to me that it would be quite unlikely for a vaccine to be made mandatory. That's just not how we do things but, I can easily imagine scenarios where people are denied access to travel,public places and employment premises if they have not been vaccinated.

It may not be compulsory but, there are ways of making life very difficult for those who don't comply.

And those who can't have it for medical reasons who would like to comply as well. Let's not forget them. "

I can imagine a very divided society in the not too distant future, where some people are considered 'untouchable' or second class. It's not a pleasant thought.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Erm not a medical person but can you get a vaccine for a virus.

Every year they roll out a new flu jab and thats a virus ... just saying

That's because it ..mutates..and they try and figure out what version is doing the rounds each year. And vaccinate against that one...hence the yearly vaccine..

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

'I'm right but you don't deserve to hear why I'm right' is a common refrain from people with no actual facts or logical argument.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

It may not be compulsory but, there are ways of making life very difficult for those who don't comply.

And those who can't have it for medical reasons who would like to comply as well. Let's not forget them.

I can imagine a very divided society in the not too distant future, where some people are considered 'untouchable' or second class. It's not a pleasant thought.

Yup we will have a large group of society who won't have it mixed with a large group of society who can't have it all having our lives made more difficult, so you see it's not just us pro choices this will affect.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Interesting how liberals often come across as the most tyrannical.

If you've had the vaccine and are "immune" then what do you have to worry about in the first place?

I didn't realise that exercising my political franchise was objectionable.

First, no vaccine guarantees immunity in all recipients (see, for example, World Health Organisation, "Six common misconceptions about immunization"). Some may result in milder illness rather than complete protection upon recipients (Centers for Disease Control, Vaccines: How Well Flu Vaccines Work). Given the growing concerns about morbidity (cardiac, respiratory, neurological) as well as mortality in serious Covid-19 cases, and the unknowns, milder illness may still be insufficient to prevent serious illness or disability. In order to protect those who do not achieve immunity or cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons, we need to achieve herd immunity, which requires a high level of vaccination depending on the transmissibility of the disease, and vaccine refusers threaten that (Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, "What is Herd Immunity and How Do We Achieve it With Covid-19?")

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

I’m torn because I don’t want or need it , generally avoid pharma unless at high risk but I don’t want to risk carrying and passing it to others or having my travel restricted so would probably have it . Would like to understand about reinfection first, it it’s likely then yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

I didn't say anything about compulsory vaccination.

Do you have anything to say about the fact that your choice not to be vaccinated would put others at risk and potentially kill people?

If you prefer to harm other people than be vaccinated then you clearly are anti-vaccination, and deeply selfish too.

No need to get personal.

Just a statement of fact. please feel free to block me and ignore my posts then as I think we should agree to disagree here. You have your reasons, I have mine.

Nah, I won't agree to disagree. That's for disagreements where you can respect the other person's point of view.

I believe that putting other people's lives at risk because you don't like the idea of vaccines is selfish and morally abhorrent, and you apparently think it's fine.

Only someone who is medically ignorant and knows nothing of the matter makes such a blanket statement.

An impressively fact and argument free post. Well done.

There's no use in presenting facts to someone who from their posts is so driven by ideology that they would insult others who don't agree with them

It would really help your case Chill if you could back up your assertions with some evidence to the contrary. I find it hard to see what underpins your opinions.

Maybe if we spent time understanding why each other think the way we do we could empathise more and find a much more effective way to communicate.

Normally there is good reason why people feel strongly and inquiring into that can help jus to understand. Similarly if we illustrate our assertions and advocacies others have the chance to understand what underpins our opinions.

We are talking here about a specific vaccine that we know nothing about yet. The arguments flying around are based on personal opinions, assumptions, past experiences, health conditions, personal beliefs and some scientific knowledge. If there is real expertise in ~Covid vaccines in this thread it isn’t evident amongst all the shouting each other down.

What would it look like in the forum if we knew how to have a compassionate conversation, that respected each person as having their truth, that won’t be an absolute truth, and listened and inquired rather than belting each other verbally as if each is the enemy.

I feel sad when I see this happening. We are losing so many opportunities to understand better.

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By *aastyKnixWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

It may not be compulsory but, there are ways of making life very difficult for those who don't comply.

And those who can't have it for medical reasons who would like to comply as well. Let's not forget them.

I can imagine a very divided society in the not too distant future, where some people are considered 'untouchable' or second class. It's not a pleasant thought.

At the moment, a persons medical status (other than a disability) is not a protected characteristic under the equality act.

I can well imagine scenarios where non vaccinated people are subjected to discrimination in many areas of life.

As you have pointed out,a person may remain un vaccinated through no fault of their own and still be subjected to discrimination because of it.

If and when we do come out of this, I have no expectation that we will all emerge into a bright sunlit future.I imagine future society to be filled with suspicion and mistrust.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

My acceptance of a vaccine does, of course, rely on the scientific consensus around a safety profile.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

I didn't say anything about compulsory vaccination.

Do you have anything to say about the fact that your choice not to be vaccinated would put others at risk and potentially kill people?

If you prefer to harm other people than be vaccinated then you clearly are anti-vaccination, and deeply selfish too.

No need to get personal.

Just a statement of fact. please feel free to block me and ignore my posts then as I think we should agree to disagree here. You have your reasons, I have mine.

Nah, I won't agree to disagree. That's for disagreements where you can respect the other person's point of view.

I believe that putting other people's lives at risk because you don't like the idea of vaccines is selfish and morally abhorrent, and you apparently think it's fine.

Only someone who is medically ignorant and knows nothing of the matter makes such a blanket statement.

An impressively fact and argument free post. Well done.

There's no use in presenting facts to someone who from their posts is so driven by ideology that they would insult others who don't agree with them

It would really help your case Chill if you could back up your assertions with some evidence to the contrary. I find it hard to see what underpins your opinions."

You merely have to check the stats from the VAERS reporting system. If you don't know what this is then you have no knowledge of vaccines. It plainly shows how many severe adverse reactions people get from vaccination every year.

Btw, were you aware that pharmaceutical companies are not liable for damages caused by vaccination?

Ever heard of thimerosal? How it's common in most vaccines and is a mercury derivative? Last I checked it was highly toxic to nerve cells in even minute doses.

Aluminium hydroxide? How it turbo charges an unnatural immune response and puts you at greater risk for auto-immune issues?

How about the polio vaccine that was tainted with the simian SV40 virus that was administered to hundreds of millions of people and was later found to be cancer causing?

The ridiculously high number of cases of narcolepsy discovered from people who took a swine flu jab?

The numerous adverse effects the HPV vaccine was causing in young girls that had the Japanese government suspend its use?

Gulf war syndrome that's affected thousands upon thousands of ex servicemen who received an experimental anthrax jab during the first gulf war?

I've worked in the NHS and loads of doctors and nurses refuse the flu jab due to safety concerns but are wary of saying it out loud?

I could go on but a healthy debate based on facts is useless when speaking with zealots who think anyone who refuses or is skeptical of vaccination is a danger.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

I didn't say anything about compulsory vaccination.

Do you have anything to say about the fact that your choice not to be vaccinated would put others at risk and potentially kill people?

If you prefer to harm other people than be vaccinated then you clearly are anti-vaccination, and deeply selfish too.

No need to get personal.

Just a statement of fact. please feel free to block me and ignore my posts then as I think we should agree to disagree here. You have your reasons, I have mine.

Nah, I won't agree to disagree. That's for disagreements where you can respect the other person's point of view.

I believe that putting other people's lives at risk because you don't like the idea of vaccines is selfish and morally abhorrent, and you apparently think it's fine.

Only someone who is medically ignorant and knows nothing of the matter makes such a blanket statement.

An impressively fact and argument free post. Well done.

There's no use in presenting facts to someone who from their posts is so driven by ideology that they would insult others who don't agree with them

It would really help your case Chill if you could back up your assertions with some evidence to the contrary. I find it hard to see what underpins your opinions.

Maybe if we spent time understanding why each other think the way we do we could empathise more and find a much more effective way to communicate.

I feel sad when I see this happening. We are losing so many opportunities to understand better."

Yes it's sad, but unfortunately there are some very intolerant people who believe their opinion/way is the only correct one and no one else should be allowed to differ.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

It may not be compulsory but, there are ways of making life very difficult for those who don't comply.

And those who can't have it for medical reasons who would like to comply as well. Let's not forget them.

I can imagine a very divided society in the not too distant future, where some people are considered 'untouchable' or second class. It's not a pleasant thought.

At the moment, a persons medical status (other than a disability) is not a protected characteristic under the equality act.

I can well imagine scenarios where non vaccinated people are subjected to discrimination in many areas of life.

As you have pointed out,a person may remain un vaccinated through no fault of their own and still be subjected to discrimination because of it.

If and when we do come out of this, I have no expectation that we will all emerge into a bright sunlit future.I imagine future society to be filled with suspicion and mistrust.

I agree, I think sadly we are already halfway there at least. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wont have it either. My choice

Genuinely interested in why?

People shouldn't have to justify why not. It's choice, simple as that.

I didn't say anything about compulsory vaccination.

Do you have anything to say about the fact that your choice not to be vaccinated would put others at risk and potentially kill people?

If you prefer to harm other people than be vaccinated then you clearly are anti-vaccination, and deeply selfish too.

No need to get personal.

Just a statement of fact. please feel free to block me and ignore my posts then as I think we should agree to disagree here. You have your reasons, I have mine.

Nah, I won't agree to disagree. That's for disagreements where you can respect the other person's point of view.

I believe that putting other people's lives at risk because you don't like the idea of vaccines is selfish and morally abhorrent, and you apparently think it's fine.

Only someone who is medically ignorant and knows nothing of the matter makes such a blanket statement.

An impressively fact and argument free post. Well done.

There's no use in presenting facts to someone who from their posts is so driven by ideology that they would insult others who don't agree with them

It would really help your case Chill if you could back up your assertions with some evidence to the contrary. I find it hard to see what underpins your opinions.

Maybe if we spent time understanding why each other think the way we do we could empathise more and find a much more effective way to communicate.

I feel sad when I see this happening. We are losing so many opportunities to understand better.

Yes it's sad, but unfortunately there are some very intolerant people who believe their opinion/way is the only correct one and no one else should be allowed to differ.

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hopefully they will see this an think....