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People won't be able to sit back for too long without going crazy and potentially breaking the rules for the sake of their sanity. There has been a number of suicides, some people just cant handle it, myself included. It's mentally killing me being trapped at home | |||
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"Still 100% sure and would still be 100% sure if this goes on for over another year (without vaccines etc) over the rushing due to economic downfall. The reasons are these; The economy and money in general is a human notion. These things can be made, redistributed, removed, at a whim. Food, shelter, heat, comfort can all be given out for free with promises of reimbursing via other means if the entire social structure is changed. The government would change focus to ensuring food is given out as a priority as an example." We will struggle once the furlough scheme comes to an end . Nevermind a year in lockdown. There would be no work to go back to in a years time. | |||
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"The economy will bounce back however long it takes not one lost life will ever bounce back I'm sure if you did a survey 100% of people would rather be alive and a bit worse off financially what about you OP "Great post  | |||
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"Still 100% sure and would still be 100% sure if this goes on for over another year (without vaccines etc) over the rushing due to economic downfall. The reasons are these; The economy and money in general is a human notion. These things can be made, redistributed, removed, at a whim. Food, shelter, heat, comfort can all be given out for free with promises of reimbursing via other means if the entire social structure is changed. The government would change focus to ensuring food is given out as a priority as an example. We will struggle once the furlough scheme comes to an end . Nevermind a year in lockdown. There would be no work to go back to in a years time. " Who says the furlough scheme has to end? Who says that the businesses aren't given a break during the period? Home owners have longer mortgage holidays? Anything that relies on money can be changed. | |||
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"I agree with the lockdown but I believe it came slightly too late, we should have been locked down straight away to minimise the number of deaths. I said at the beginning that the total death figure would be about 20,000 well we're very close to 30k now, its very sad
People won't be able to sit back for too long without going crazy and potentially breaking the rules for the sake of their sanity. There has been a number of suicides, some people just cant handle it, myself included. It's mentally killing me being trapped at home"They are expecting humans to be able to cope while being treated like rats in a cage | |||
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"Still 100% sure and would still be 100% sure if this goes on for over another year (without vaccines etc) over the rushing due to economic downfall. The reasons are these; The economy and money in general is a human notion. These things can be made, redistributed, removed, at a whim. Food, shelter, heat, comfort can all be given out for free with promises of reimbursing via other means if the entire social structure is changed. The government would change focus to ensuring food is given out as a priority as an example. We will struggle once the furlough scheme comes to an end . Nevermind a year in lockdown. There would be no work to go back to in a years time. Who says the furlough scheme has to end? Who says that the businesses aren't given a break during the period? Home owners have longer mortgage holidays? Anything that relies on money can be changed." Sorry but you are living in cloud cuckoo land. The country cannot afford what you are saying. Maybe for the next 3 month but then everyone will be struggling | |||
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"I agree with the lockdown but I believe it came slightly too late, we should have been locked down straight away to minimise the number of deaths. I said at the beginning that the total death figure would be about 20,000 well we're very close to 30k now, its very sad
People won't be able to sit back for too long without going crazy and potentially breaking the rules for the sake of their sanity. There has been a number of suicides, some people just cant handle it, myself included. It's mentally killing me being trapped at home
They are expecting humans to be able to cope while being treated like rats in a cage"I'm sitting in a room, comfortable, warm, safe, with everything I need. I walked down the street earlier today, combining my exercise with getting some milk. I sang. People were smiling and keeping their distance. It was rather pleasant. I think being like a rat in a cage would be several orders of magnitude worse. | |||
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"I agree with the lockdown but I believe it came slightly too late, we should have been locked down straight away to minimise the number of deaths. I said at the beginning that the total death figure would be about 20,000 well we're very close to 30k now, its very sad
People won't be able to sit back for too long without going crazy and potentially breaking the rules for the sake of their sanity. There has been a number of suicides, some people just cant handle it, myself included. It's mentally killing me being trapped at home
They are expecting humans to be able to cope while being treated like rats in a cage
I'm sitting in a room, comfortable, warm, safe, with everything I need.
I walked down the street earlier today, combining my exercise with getting some milk. I sang. People were smiling and keeping their distance. It was rather pleasant.
I think being like a rat in a cage would be several orders of magnitude worse."I ran with my dog today as I always do and a couple walked down the road and tried to infact walk beside me.........so there you go...thankfully I’m fast and sprinted away | |||
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"Still 100% sure and would still be 100% sure if this goes on for over another year (without vaccines etc) over the rushing due to economic downfall. The reasons are these; The economy and money in general is a human notion. These things can be made, redistributed, removed, at a whim. Food, shelter, heat, comfort can all be given out for free with promises of reimbursing via other means if the entire social structure is changed. The government would change focus to ensuring food is given out as a priority as an example. We will struggle once the furlough scheme comes to an end . Nevermind a year in lockdown. There would be no work to go back to in a years time. " Agreed | |||
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"and many accuse those few who are not sure it's the best strategy of not carrying about peoples lives. Are you still confident that 3 or 4 months of lockdown will save more lives than will be lost due to economic collapse? Are you so sure - that you will agree to any amount of lockdown the government says is necessary? " You’re not Tim Martin are you?  | |||
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"Still 100% sure and would still be 100% sure if this goes on for over another year (without vaccines etc) over the rushing due to economic downfall. The reasons are these; The economy and money in general is a human notion. These things can be made, redistributed, removed, at a whim. Food, shelter, heat, comfort can all be given out for free with promises of reimbursing via other means if the entire social structure is changed. The government would change focus to ensuring food is given out as a priority as an example." And where is the food going to come from ? | |||
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"I agree with lockdown. No I dont think restrictions should be lifted yet. It’s a pandemic and obviously there will be indirect deaths as well as direct deaths from covid, that’s inevitable. The thing is a heart attack in one person doesn’t spread to 3 others does it? You can contain it. If we didn’t have lockdown the numbers would be worse. The economy can’t handle a second peak anymore that NHS staff can. The whole thing must be distressing and hard work, not to mention the mental health issues going along with experiencing that on a daily basis. I get the impression that some would happily just throw the doors open and take the consequences but once your hospitals are over run and the NHS staff become fatigued then what? It’s a pandemic, never seen before and yet some expect to just carry on. So naive in my opinion. " | |||
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"Still 100% sure and would still be 100% sure if this goes on for over another year (without vaccines etc) over the rushing due to economic downfall. The reasons are these; The economy and money in general is a human notion. These things can be made, redistributed, removed, at a whim. Food, shelter, heat, comfort can all be given out for free with promises of reimbursing via other means if the entire social structure is changed. The government would change focus to ensuring food is given out as a priority as an example. We will struggle once the furlough scheme comes to an end . Nevermind a year in lockdown. There would be no work to go back to in a years time. Who says the furlough scheme has to end? Who says that the businesses aren't given a break during the period? Home owners have longer mortgage holidays? Anything that relies on money can be changed." Because some of the investors have pulled out of funding the furlough scheme, Gov are trying to find replacement investors | |||
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"I agree with lockdown. No I dont think restrictions should be lifted yet. It’s a pandemic and obviously there will be indirect deaths as well as direct deaths from covid, that’s inevitable. The thing is a heart attack in one person doesn’t spread to 3 others does it? You can contain it. If we didn’t have lockdown the numbers would be worse. The economy can’t handle a second peak anymore that NHS staff can. The whole thing must be distressing and hard work, not to mention the mental health issues going along with experiencing that on a daily basis. I get the impression that some would happily just throw the doors open and take the consequences but once your hospitals are over run and the NHS staff become fatigued then what? It’s a pandemic, never seen before and yet some expect to just carry on. So naive in my opinion. " There is no easy answers. Do you throw millions into poverty ? | |||
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"I agree with lockdown. No I dont think restrictions should be lifted yet. It’s a pandemic and obviously there will be indirect deaths as well as direct deaths from covid, that’s inevitable. The thing is a heart attack in one person doesn’t spread to 3 others does it? You can contain it. If we didn’t have lockdown the numbers would be worse. The economy can’t handle a second peak anymore that NHS staff can. The whole thing must be distressing and hard work, not to mention the mental health issues going along with experiencing that on a daily basis. I get the impression that some would happily just throw the doors open and take the consequences but once your hospitals are over run and the NHS staff become fatigued then what? It’s a pandemic, never seen before and yet some expect to just carry on. So naive in my opinion. " But that's the point of the lockdown, it's about controlling the numbers with it not stopping it, that cant be done until either we have a vaccine or herd immunity kicks in, its naive to think any different, the vulnerable have to stay isolated until either of the former happens | |||
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"I agree with lockdown. No I dont think restrictions should be lifted yet. It’s a pandemic and obviously there will be indirect deaths as well as direct deaths from covid, that’s inevitable. The thing is a heart attack in one person doesn’t spread to 3 others does it? You can contain it. If we didn’t have lockdown the numbers would be worse. The economy can’t handle a second peak anymore that NHS staff can. The whole thing must be distressing and hard work, not to mention the mental health issues going along with experiencing that on a daily basis. I get the impression that some would happily just throw the doors open and take the consequences but once your hospitals are over run and the NHS staff become fatigued then what? It’s a pandemic, never seen before and yet some expect to just carry on. So naive in my opinion. There is no easy answers. Do you throw millions into poverty ?" Any government that doesn't launch a massive rescue package will be committing political suicide | |||
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"I agree with lockdown. No I dont think restrictions should be lifted yet. It’s a pandemic and obviously there will be indirect deaths as well as direct deaths from covid, that’s inevitable. The thing is a heart attack in one person doesn’t spread to 3 others does it? You can contain it. If we didn’t have lockdown the numbers would be worse. The economy can’t handle a second peak anymore that NHS staff can. The whole thing must be distressing and hard work, not to mention the mental health issues going along with experiencing that on a daily basis. I get the impression that some would happily just throw the doors open and take the consequences but once your hospitals are over run and the NHS staff become fatigued then what? It’s a pandemic, never seen before and yet some expect to just carry on. So naive in my opinion. But that's the point of the lockdown, it's about controlling the numbers with it not stopping it, that cant be done until either we have a vaccine or herd immunity kicks in, its naive to think any different, the vulnerable have to stay isolated until either of the former happens" I know that’s the point of lockdown, I have been observing it. You can’t stop this virus but the point is to reduce numbers and open up again gradually, not talk about numbers dropping then go and have a party. Too many people are too keen to end restrictions, it needs a bit more time. | |||
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"I agree with lockdown. No I dont think restrictions should be lifted yet. It’s a pandemic and obviously there will be indirect deaths as well as direct deaths from covid, that’s inevitable. The thing is a heart attack in one person doesn’t spread to 3 others does it? You can contain it. If we didn’t have lockdown the numbers would be worse. The economy can’t handle a second peak anymore that NHS staff can. The whole thing must be distressing and hard work, not to mention the mental health issues going along with experiencing that on a daily basis. I get the impression that some would happily just throw the doors open and take the consequences but once your hospitals are over run and the NHS staff become fatigued then what? It’s a pandemic, never seen before and yet some expect to just carry on. So naive in my opinion. There is no easy answers. Do you throw millions into poverty ? Any government that doesn't launch a massive rescue package will be committing political suicide" I agree but they have to be carefull that they dont bankrupt the country. | |||
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"I agree with lockdown. No I dont think restrictions should be lifted yet. It’s a pandemic and obviously there will be indirect deaths as well as direct deaths from covid, that’s inevitable. The thing is a heart attack in one person doesn’t spread to 3 others does it? You can contain it. If we didn’t have lockdown the numbers would be worse. The economy can’t handle a second peak anymore that NHS staff can. The whole thing must be distressing and hard work, not to mention the mental health issues going along with experiencing that on a daily basis. I get the impression that some would happily just throw the doors open and take the consequences but once your hospitals are over run and the NHS staff become fatigued then what? It’s a pandemic, never seen before and yet some expect to just carry on. So naive in my opinion. There is no easy answers. Do you throw millions into poverty ?" Millions were already in poverty but I don’t recall everyone being in uproar then. It’s funny how perceptions and opinions change when people are directly affected by it. If people lose jobs and businesses close that is not good but if we open and people die I feel that that is worse. | |||
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"I agree with lockdown. No I dont think restrictions should be lifted yet. It’s a pandemic and obviously there will be indirect deaths as well as direct deaths from covid, that’s inevitable. The thing is a heart attack in one person doesn’t spread to 3 others does it? You can contain it. If we didn’t have lockdown the numbers would be worse. The economy can’t handle a second peak anymore that NHS staff can. The whole thing must be distressing and hard work, not to mention the mental health issues going along with experiencing that on a daily basis. I get the impression that some would happily just throw the doors open and take the consequences but once your hospitals are over run and the NHS staff become fatigued then what? It’s a pandemic, never seen before and yet some expect to just carry on. So naive in my opinion. There is no easy answers. Do you throw millions into poverty ? Any government that doesn't launch a massive rescue package will be committing political suicide I agree but they have to be carefull that they dont bankrupt the country." No they won’t. | |||
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"I agree with lockdown. No I dont think restrictions should be lifted yet. It’s a pandemic and obviously there will be indirect deaths as well as direct deaths from covid, that’s inevitable. The thing is a heart attack in one person doesn’t spread to 3 others does it? You can contain it. If we didn’t have lockdown the numbers would be worse. The economy can’t handle a second peak anymore that NHS staff can. The whole thing must be distressing and hard work, not to mention the mental health issues going along with experiencing that on a daily basis. I get the impression that some would happily just throw the doors open and take the consequences but once your hospitals are over run and the NHS staff become fatigued then what? It’s a pandemic, never seen before and yet some expect to just carry on. So naive in my opinion. But that's the point of the lockdown, it's about controlling the numbers with it not stopping it, that cant be done until either we have a vaccine or herd immunity kicks in, its naive to think any different, the vulnerable have to stay isolated until either of the former happens I know that’s the point of lockdown, I have been observing it. You can’t stop this virus but the point is to reduce numbers and open up again gradually, not talk about numbers dropping then go and have a party. Too many people are too keen to end restrictions, it needs a bit more time. " Which is what the government and all countries will and have been doing. Except Sweden, it will interesting to see the total excess deaths that happen from 1st Jan 2020 to say may 2021 in every country to see which way was best. | |||
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"I agree with lockdown. No I dont think restrictions should be lifted yet. It’s a pandemic and obviously there will be indirect deaths as well as direct deaths from covid, that’s inevitable. The thing is a heart attack in one person doesn’t spread to 3 others does it? You can contain it. If we didn’t have lockdown the numbers would be worse. The economy can’t handle a second peak anymore that NHS staff can. The whole thing must be distressing and hard work, not to mention the mental health issues going along with experiencing that on a daily basis. I get the impression that some would happily just throw the doors open and take the consequences but once your hospitals are over run and the NHS staff become fatigued then what? It’s a pandemic, never seen before and yet some expect to just carry on. So naive in my opinion. There is no easy answers. Do you throw millions into poverty ? Any government that doesn't launch a massive rescue package will be committing political suicide I agree but they have to be carefull that they dont bankrupt the country. No they won’t. " Of course they wont | |||
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"and many accuse those few who are not sure it's the best strategy of not carrying about peoples lives. Are you still confident that 3 or 4 months of lockdown will save more lives than will be lost due to economic collapse? Are you so sure - that you will agree to any amount of lockdown the government says is necessary? " do you believe we should ever have been "locked down" OP? curious at what angle you are coming from | |||
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"The nhs are coping that’s why there are so many empty beds. The centres built are empty so they are coping. Maybe restrictions should be lifted to some extend ..younger ones out first as the virus does not kill everyone it’s targeting the old and impaired ..I know there’s always others that can get it and it can kill but people talk like everyone’s gonna die that catches it and that’s not true. My best mate works I. A large hospital. She told me it’s empty and only a couple of covid patients. Another friend who is a nurse at her hospital has had a letter to say they’re closing it for covid as there’s no one coming in with it. " There are empty beds and that is why discussions are taking place about taking more patients into hospital and opening up clinics but that is happening now because it can happen now. You couldn’t carry on as normal when you didn’t know what the numbers would be. If they hadn’t prepared for high numbers then beds wouldn’t have been available. You have to look at areas and numbers. Not every area has the same high numbers. But they are conversations for now which is why that is happening. | |||
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"I agree with lockdown. No I dont think restrictions should be lifted yet. It’s a pandemic and obviously there will be indirect deaths as well as direct deaths from covid, that’s inevitable. The thing is a heart attack in one person doesn’t spread to 3 others does it? You can contain it. If we didn’t have lockdown the numbers would be worse. The economy can’t handle a second peak anymore that NHS staff can. The whole thing must be distressing and hard work, not to mention the mental health issues going along with experiencing that on a daily basis. I get the impression that some would happily just throw the doors open and take the consequences but once your hospitals are over run and the NHS staff become fatigued then what? It’s a pandemic, never seen before and yet some expect to just carry on. So naive in my opinion. There is no easy answers. Do you throw millions into poverty ? Millions were already in poverty but I don’t recall everyone being in uproar then. It’s funny how perceptions and opinions change when people are directly affected by it. If people lose jobs and businesses close that is not good but if we open and people die I feel that that is worse. " Yes. Poverty was bad before, but we heard a lot less about it. | |||
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"I agree with lockdown. No I dont think restrictions should be lifted yet. It’s a pandemic and obviously there will be indirect deaths as well as direct deaths from covid, that’s inevitable. The thing is a heart attack in one person doesn’t spread to 3 others does it? You can contain it. If we didn’t have lockdown the numbers would be worse. The economy can’t handle a second peak anymore that NHS staff can. The whole thing must be distressing and hard work, not to mention the mental health issues going along with experiencing that on a daily basis. I get the impression that some would happily just throw the doors open and take the consequences but once your hospitals are over run and the NHS staff become fatigued then what? It’s a pandemic, never seen before and yet some expect to just carry on. So naive in my opinion. There is no easy answers. Do you throw millions into poverty ? Any government that doesn't launch a massive rescue package will be committing political suicide I agree but they have to be carefull that they dont bankrupt the country. No they won’t. Of course they wont "That’s what I said but without the eye roll  | |||
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"I agree with lockdown. No I dont think restrictions should be lifted yet. It’s a pandemic and obviously there will be indirect deaths as well as direct deaths from covid, that’s inevitable. The thing is a heart attack in one person doesn’t spread to 3 others does it? You can contain it. If we didn’t have lockdown the numbers would be worse. The economy can’t handle a second peak anymore that NHS staff can. The whole thing must be distressing and hard work, not to mention the mental health issues going along with experiencing that on a daily basis. I get the impression that some would happily just throw the doors open and take the consequences but once your hospitals are over run and the NHS staff become fatigued then what? It’s a pandemic, never seen before and yet some expect to just carry on. So naive in my opinion. But that's the point of the lockdown, it's about controlling the numbers with it not stopping it, that cant be done until either we have a vaccine or herd immunity kicks in, its naive to think any different, the vulnerable have to stay isolated until either of the former happens I know that’s the point of lockdown, I have been observing it. You can’t stop this virus but the point is to reduce numbers and open up again gradually, not talk about numbers dropping then go and have a party. Too many people are too keen to end restrictions, it needs a bit more time. Which is what the government and all countries will and have been doing. Except Sweden, it will interesting to see the total excess deaths that happen from 1st Jan 2020 to say may 2021 in every country to see which way was best." I know that’s the intention and I agree that there should be a gradual process when the time is right. The OP was referring to the cost to life after lockdown - delayed treatments etc and was it worth it. I’m saying that even with that to factor in, I believe it to be the right decision. | |||
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"Personally lockdown should remain for a few more weeks at least. Currently the infection rate of the UK pollulation is 0.25% Death rate of thoses infected is 15.6% No lockdown, more cases, more deaths. Staying home saves lifes and helps our NHS." The death rate will drop the more people get tested. | |||
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" But that's the point of the lockdown, it's about controlling the numbers with it not stopping it, that cant be done until either we have a vaccine or herd immunity kicks in, its naive to think any different, the vulnerable have to stay isolated until either of the former happens" Indeed that is the whole point. Containment can't work in a country like the UK and the virus will thus run it's course until herd immunity is reached or a vaccine comes along (if it does). Meanwhile several thousand extra deaths in the UK each week are now attributable to lockdown (e.g. routine operation delays, people not going to hospital when the should etc. and suicides) not the virus. If anyone can explain the logic of an 'off licence' being an essential business you can visit but a walk, with all the benefits that bestows, in open countryside is banned by certain police forces; then I'm all ears. So I'm totally against the lockdown as we should have just protected the at risk groups and not crashed the economy. The fall out from that hasn't even started. Millions of jobs will be lost, huge mental health issues and increases in suicides are coming. As crass as it sounds to some this all has to be paid for by us and future generations and the economic and social costs are huge and will reverberate for many years. Remember that air pollution kills 40,000 a year in the UK alone and no one here has ever called for vehicle to be banned in cities and towns. Why the hypocrisy? Are those lesser deaths? | |||
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"The economy can and will recover, you can't recover from being dead....." amen to this!!!!
we are going to be in a "new normal" for a while... so think of this time for companies to work out how they work under the new circumstances safely....
so if it means "takeout only"... or reduced capacities with much more social distancing... then it is what it is!
plus actually we have found that a lot of work can get done... for example, working from home | |||
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"The purpose for lockdown was to help the nhs ....they have been helped ......empty hospitals on tv proves that. The centres built remain empty......therefore lockdown restriction can be in place but lifted somehow slowly ....it won’t be a second wave it will be a continuation of the wave we are having . If the nhs can’t cope again then tight restrictions apply again. What if there’s no cure for ten years ....can’t see everyone staying in for ten years can you...already more people about" No, we have to find a way to live with it, but those who think lifting all the restrictions will allow things to get back to how it used to be quickly, are in for a shock. | |||
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"The world is gonna start moving ..yes slowly but it is and it’s gonna be soon enough. I feel sorry for all the peop,e with cancer etc that are gonna be dead due to being thrown on the ..you don’t matter for now help " Heap | |||
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"Personally lockdown should remain for a few more weeks at least. Currently the infection rate of the UK pollulation is 0.25% Death rate of thoses infected is 15.6% No lockdown, more cases, more deaths. Staying home saves lifes and helps our NHS." There is no way that is the death rate of those infected. Many infected will not even know they have it | |||
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"and many accuse those few who are not sure it's the best strategy of not carrying about peoples lives. Are you still confident that 3 or 4 months of lockdown will save more lives than will be lost due to economic collapse? Are you so sure - that you will agree to any amount of lockdown the government says is necessary? do you believe we should ever have been "locked down" OP? curious at what angle you are coming from" My thoughts too, certainly given the Op has been like a dog on a bone with this it seems for him that lives come a second place to prosperity.. Happy to be proven wrong on that.. | |||
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"Personally lockdown should remain for a few more weeks at least. Currently the infection rate of the UK pollulation is 0.25% Death rate of thoses infected is 15.6% No lockdown, more cases, more deaths. Staying home saves lifes and helps our NHS. There is no way that is the death rate of those infected. Many infected will not even know they have it" This is from the figures recorded. | |||
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"The world s slowly starting to move again and uk will be the same ...look st B&Q and the likes that are open already for the masses to buy essential plants .....already it’s getting busier it’s all gonna happen before there’s a vaccine " B&Q opened and that straight away put business upon business back into work, all opening back up within a heartbeat, think of all the supply chain into there, it’s massive | |||
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"The world s slowly starting to move again and uk will be the same ...look st B&Q and the likes that are open already for the masses to buy essential plants .....already it’s getting busier it’s all gonna happen before there’s a vaccine B&Q opened and that straight away put business upon business back into work, all opening back up within a heartbeat, think of all the supply chain into there, it’s massive "Correct. Loads more building merchants and such have opened up too. That’s a fact | |||
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"and many accuse those few who are not sure it's the best strategy of not carrying about peoples lives. Are you still confident that 3 or 4 months of lockdown will save more lives than will be lost due to economic collapse? Are you so sure - that you will agree to any amount of lockdown the government says is necessary? do you believe we should ever have been "locked down" OP? curious at what angle you are coming from" I think we should have locked down for 3 to 4 weeks max to flatten the sombraro and ramp up capacity with nightingale. Any more lockdown then that and the devastation to the economy will not save lives - just change what people die of | |||
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"Personally lockdown should remain for a few more weeks at least. Currently the infection rate of the UK pollulation is 0.25% Death rate of thoses infected is 15.6% No lockdown, more cases, more deaths. Staying home saves lifes and helps our NHS. There is no way that is the death rate of those infected. Many infected will not even know they have it This is from the figures recorded." The death rate will be high because they were only testing people who were hospitalized. So the were very ill to start with. The more they test none hospitalized people the more the death rate will drop dramatically | |||
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"The economy can and will recover, you can't recover from being dead..... "What about those that end up loosing their life to cancer and other illnesses because their treatments stopped because of this, are their lives not as worthy to save as those with covid? It’s a fine balance that needs to be found. | |||
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"The economy can and will recover, you can't recover from being dead.....
What about those that end up loosing their life to cancer and other illnesses because their treatments stopped because of this, are their lives not as worthy to save as those with covid? It’s a fine balance that needs to be found."Exactly I know someone that’s been left to their own devices with cancer and last he was told he only had months without treatment...now no one cares cos the hospital is not dealing with him no more cos he’s not got corona. The hospitals will have a third wave of all their backlogged cancer patients | |||
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"Personally lockdown should remain for a few more weeks at least. Currently the infection rate of the UK pollulation is 0.25% Death rate of thoses infected is 15.6% No lockdown, more cases, more deaths. Staying home saves lifes and helps our NHS. There is no way that is the death rate of those infected. Many infected will not even know they have it This is from the figures recorded. The death rate will be high because they were only testing people who were hospitalized. So the were very ill to start with. The more they test none hospitalized people the more the death rate will drop dramatically " Agreed, my point is still valid tho, lifting this lockdown will increase infection rate and more deaths will follow. | |||
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"Personally lockdown should remain for a few more weeks at least. Currently the infection rate of the UK pollulation is 0.25% Death rate of thoses infected is 15.6% No lockdown, more cases, more deaths. Staying home saves lifes and helps our NHS. There is no way that is the death rate of those infected. Many infected will not even know they have it This is from the figures recorded. The death rate will be high because they were only testing people who were hospitalized. So the were very ill to start with. The more they test none hospitalized people the more the death rate will drop dramatically Agreed, my point is still valid tho, lifting this lockdown will increase infection rate and more deaths will follow." They need to find a balance . I dont envy who has to make these decisions but they need an exit plan . | |||
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"The economy can and will recover, you can't recover from being dead.....
What about those that end up loosing their life to cancer and other illnesses because their treatments stopped because of this, are their lives not as worthy to save as those with covid? It’s a fine balance that needs to be found.
Exactly I know someone that’s been left to their own devices with cancer and last he was told he only had months without treatment...now no one cares cos the hospital is not dealing with him no more cos he’s not got corona.
The hospitals will have a third wave of all their backlogged cancer patients "No one life is more worthy than another, I’m sure people don’t think that way at all but the fact is left uncontrolled it has the potential to kill millions never mind thousands. People can still seek treatment, and should. Hospitals are making plans to restart clinics in a controlled way. Not all treatments were stopped. | |||
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"The economy can and will recover, you can't recover from being dead.....
What about those that end up loosing their life to cancer and other illnesses because their treatments stopped because of this, are their lives not as worthy to save as those with covid? It’s a fine balance that needs to be found."Obviously. However Cancer isn't contagious. Covid is. | |||
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"The economy can and will recover, you can't recover from being dead.....
What about those that end up loosing their life to cancer and other illnesses because their treatments stopped because of this, are their lives not as worthy to save as those with covid? It’s a fine balance that needs to be found.
Obviously.
However Cancer isn't contagious. Covid is. "But why have they stopped treatment for cancer when they can do this alongside. Empty hospital beds and no patients in some hospitals I know for a fact as my mates are nurses They should treat covid AND cancer. More people gonna die of cancer ...one in 3 do. The nhs is gonna be on its knees with cases put on the back burner | |||
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"No one life is more worthy than another" Google Quality-Adjusted Life Years | |||
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"No one has the answer. It's a bit like asking how long is a piece of string or how many full stops are there in a bottle of ink. One thing is for sure there will be plenty of fab experts ready to pillory the government and say how thoroughly rotten they are no matter which way it goes." Couldn’t agree more. Gotta love a Fab scientific / financial expert | |||
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"The economy can and will recover, you can't recover from being dead.....
What about those that end up loosing their life to cancer and other illnesses because their treatments stopped because of this, are their lives not as worthy to save as those with covid? It’s a fine balance that needs to be found.
Obviously.
However Cancer isn't contagious. Covid is.
But why have they stopped treatment for cancer when they can do this alongside. Empty hospital beds and no patients in some hospitals I know for a fact as my mates are nurses They should treat covid AND cancer. More people gonna die of cancer ...one in 3 do. The nhs is gonna be on its knees with cases put on the back burner "I thought they stopped because chemo messes up the immune system. So they were shielding cancer patients by keeping them away from hospitals where covid is more likely. | |||
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"The economy can and will recover, you can't recover from being dead.....
What about those that end up loosing their life to cancer and other illnesses because their treatments stopped because of this, are their lives not as worthy to save as those with covid? It’s a fine balance that needs to be found.
Obviously.
However Cancer isn't contagious. Covid is.
But why have they stopped treatment for cancer when they can do this alongside. Empty hospital beds and no patients in some hospitals I know for a fact as my mates are nurses They should treat covid AND cancer. More people gonna die of cancer ...one in 3 do. The nhs is gonna be on its knees with cases put on the back burner
I thought they stopped because chemo messes up the immune system. So they were shielding cancer patients by keeping them away from hospitals where covid is more likely.
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"Personally lockdown should remain for a few more weeks at least. Currently the infection rate of the UK pollulation is 0.25% Death rate of thoses infected is 15.6% No lockdown, more cases, more deaths. Staying home saves lifes and helps our NHS. There is no way that is the death rate of those infected. Many infected will not even know they have it This is from the figures recorded. The death rate will be high because they were only testing people who were hospitalized. So the were very ill to start with. The more they test none hospitalized people the more the death rate will drop dramatically Agreed, my point is still valid tho, lifting this lockdown will increase infection rate and more deaths will follow." Yes its will and if it stays the other non covid-19 deaths rise,and these figures include thousands of under 18's with suicide, dv fatalities and agressive sexual abuse. The samaritans and nspcc volunteers are just as traumatised as the nhs staff. The care homes have it now so lockdown won't protect them, we need to find a medium and that will be found over the next 6 weeks which is how long the vulnerable who were told to self isolate have left to go. | |||
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"Personally lockdown should remain for a few more weeks at least. Currently the infection rate of the UK pollulation is 0.25% Death rate of thoses infected is 15.6% No lockdown, more cases, more deaths. Staying home saves lifes and helps our NHS. There is no way that is the death rate of those infected. Many infected will not even know they have it This is from the figures recorded. The death rate will be high because they were only testing people who were hospitalized. So the were very ill to start with. The more they test none hospitalized people the more the death rate will drop dramatically Agreed, my point is still valid tho, lifting this lockdown will increase infection rate and more deaths will follow." Then we stay locked down permanently | |||
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"Personally lockdown should remain for a few more weeks at least. Currently the infection rate of the UK pollulation is 0.25% Death rate of thoses infected is 15.6% No lockdown, more cases, more deaths. Staying home saves lifes and helps our NHS. There is no way that is the death rate of those infected. Many infected will not even know they have it This is from the figures recorded. The death rate will be high because they were only testing people who were hospitalized. So the were very ill to start with. The more they test none hospitalized people the more the death rate will drop dramatically Agreed, my point is still valid tho, lifting this lockdown will increase infection rate and more deaths will follow." Ofcourse lifting the lock down will increase infection rate thats a given no matter when we lift lock down. The whole point of lock down was to give the NHS a chance and not be overrun by the tail end of winter flu season. Well 8 newly built nightingale hospitals later and now the warmer spring weather soon to be summer. We need to get back to some kind of normal and end this lock down. | |||
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"People with cancer etc should have their treatments surely they can isolate after the life saving treatment they need so therefore protected from covid...but no they are told their immune system is too low so they may get the virus. My friend has been told he has months to live unless he has chemo yet when covid came he was t old he was not allowed chemo as that would reduce his immune system so he’s happy to have treatment and stay in the hospital for those extra years or even self isolate with a career but no he’s been told no it’s not even an option now " I’m so sorry to hear about your friend I too have a friend who’s treatment has been stopped It’s shocking that so many people are suffering in silence at home | |||
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"People with cancer etc should have their treatments surely they can isolate after the life saving treatment they need so therefore protected from covid...but no they are told their immune system is too low so they may get the virus. My friend has been told he has months to live unless he has chemo yet when covid came he was t old he was not allowed chemo as that would reduce his immune system so he’s happy to have treatment and stay in the hospital for those extra years or even self isolate with a career but no he’s been told no it’s not even an option now I’m so sorry to hear about your friend I too have a friend who’s treatment has been stopped It’s shocking that so many people are suffering in silence at home " Oh sweetie Thankyou. Sadly this virus has taken over the world and has stopped everything in its tracks. Fingers crossed for a vaccine and all the people that need desperate cancer treatment etc get it fast. You too my thoughts are with you and your friend x | |||
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"People with cancer etc should have their treatments surely they can isolate after the life saving treatment they need so therefore protected from covid...but no they are told their immune system is too low so they may get the virus. My friend has been told he has months to live unless he has chemo yet when covid came he was t old he was not allowed chemo as that would reduce his immune system so he’s happy to have treatment and stay in the hospital for those extra years or even self isolate with a career but no he’s been told no it’s not even an option now I’m so sorry to hear about your friend I too have a friend who’s treatment has been stopped It’s shocking that so many people are suffering in silence at home Oh sweetie Thankyou. Sadly this virus has taken over the world and has stopped everything in its tracks. Fingers crossed for a vaccine and all the people that need desperate cancer treatment etc get it fast. You too my thoughts are with you and your friend x" Yes it has stopped all sorts of other treatment and I feel for anyone in pain physically or mentally Thank you xx | |||
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"The economy can and will recover, you can't recover from being dead.....
What about those that end up loosing their life to cancer and other illnesses because their treatments stopped because of this, are their lives not as worthy to save as those with covid? It’s a fine balance that needs to be found.
Obviously.
However Cancer isn't contagious. Covid is.
But why have they stopped treatment for cancer when they can do this alongside. Empty hospital beds and no patients in some hospitals I know for a fact as my mates are nurses They should treat covid AND cancer. More people gonna die of cancer ...one in 3 do. The nhs is gonna be on its knees with cases put on the back burner
I thought they stopped because chemo messes up the immune system. So they were shielding cancer patients by keeping them away from hospitals where covid is more likely.
Yep but they’ve stopped operations too. Everything they’ve stopped with cancer. A bloke just been on news saying why is covid being put before him. They can shield them too. Have your treatment and then isolate in another hospital "I've seen that suggested. Have the nightingales as covid hospitals and have 'normal' hospitals for everything else. Hopefully the operations and other treatments will start again soon. X | |||
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"and many accuse those few who are not sure it's the best strategy of not carrying about peoples lives. Are you still confident that 3 or 4 months of lockdown will save more lives than will be lost due to economic collapse? Are you so sure - that you will agree to any amount of lockdown the government says is necessary? " It’s possibly 1/ age /health related - people of a certain age and health should indeed favour lockdown 2/ trust in the government, I mean if you let go of that it can be a little scary 3/ as with Brexit , not too fussed about the economy and I suspect 2&3 are related. I think social distancing and hygiene and certain types of lockdown were needed e.g tubes, airports pubs etc but the rest is simply because they fucked the NHS first | |||
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"The economy can and will recover, you can't recover from being dead.....
What about those that end up loosing their life to cancer and other illnesses because their treatments stopped because of this, are their lives not as worthy to save as those with covid? It’s a fine balance that needs to be found.
Obviously.
However Cancer isn't contagious. Covid is.
But why have they stopped treatment for cancer when they can do this alongside. Empty hospital beds and no patients in some hospitals I know for a fact as my mates are nurses They should treat covid AND cancer. More people gonna die of cancer ...one in 3 do. The nhs is gonna be on its knees with cases put on the back burner
I thought they stopped because chemo messes up the immune system. So they were shielding cancer patients by keeping them away from hospitals where covid is more likely.
Yep but they’ve stopped operations too. Everything they’ve stopped with cancer. A bloke just been on news saying why is covid being put before him. They can shield them too. Have your treatment and then isolate in another hospital
I've seen that suggested. Have the nightingales as covid hospitals and have 'normal' hospitals for everything else.
Hopefully the operations and other treatments will start again soon. X"Yes now wouldn’t that be a perfect idea if they can just make it happen xx | |||
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"Maybe look to treat covid patients in the new hospitals specially set up for just that as seems they are 90% empty and leave the hospitals dealing with other life threatening illnesses and operations for just that, instead of mixing it up, surely this would be the best option, mammoth task to start maybe but isn’t that what we have anyway and at least it will give some control of the virus within hospitals so allowing others to return to or receive much needed treatment. I feel it’s wrong to deprive those that have had treatment stopped because of this, I saw a guy on the news earlier with stage 3 cancer who has his treatment stopped, he’s got a couple of young children so living in fear now where as before he had hope, makes you feel for them. I know my mum and dad would have been more than pissed off if they cancelled my life saving operation when I was a little toddler and there’s thousands of people living with things like that now." Nail hit firmly on the head there | |||
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"Forget all the restriction arguments. Just give the cancer patients the choice of continuing with their treatment or not, others shouldn't be making choices for them. " this has now all restarted this week. Along with heart issues and limited mental health services To answer the OP. Do I agree with the restrictions we have... well no. I don't agree with the level we locked down too. I especially will be interested to see the final figures of Sweden vs other countries.. as for me its the final figures. Sweden's arguement (one I agree with) is that you cant lock down without damaging the country and all a more severe lockdown does is move the number of cases over a extended period of time..and had the potential the 2nd and 3rd peaks to be worse than the first. Sweden have however been doing things we havent to if you read all the science stuff.. they have recommended face coverings in public etc which we havent. But mostly its the fact that for them they have said that while initially they will seem to have the higher rates.. they hope ( and that's all any of us really have) they hope that over the full length of the outbreak that they will be in a good position. Of course it's a gamble. Some think we should have locked down earlier.. others stronger. Some not at all. No country is going to get it 100% right. There will be things they and the rest of the world could maybe learn from other countries mistakes. It's okay for us all to sit and read the articles and judge but thankfully we havent got the responsibility of making the decisions that mean life and death to different people. Lockdown to long and you start to lose to many to indirect deaths and you risk a national mental health crisis ( and it was already suffering ) you also risk crippling the country financially too. And while I may have my own opinions. From day one I've been helping those less able or fortunate than myself to get through this.... as the only thing I do know for sure is that we are all in this together | |||
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"Forget all the restriction arguments. Just give the cancer patients the choice of continuing with their treatment or not, others shouldn't be making choices for them. this has now all restarted this week. Along with heart issues and limited mental health services To answer the OP. Do I agree with the restrictions we have... well no. I don't agree with the level we locked down too. I especially will be interested to see the final figures of Sweden vs other countries.. as for me its the final figures. Sweden's arguement (one I agree with) is that you cant lock down without damaging the country and all a more severe lockdown does is move the number of cases over a extended period of time..and had the potential the 2nd and 3rd peaks to be worse than the first. Sweden have however been doing things we havent to if you read all the science stuff.. they have recommended face coverings in public etc which we havent. But mostly its the fact that for them they have said that while initially they will seem to have the higher rates.. they hope ( and that's all any of us really have) they hope that over the full length of the outbreak that they will be in a good position. Of course it's a gamble. Some think we should have locked down earlier.. others stronger. Some not at all. No country is going to get it 100% right. There will be things they and the rest of the world could maybe learn from other countries mistakes. It's okay for us all to sit and read the articles and judge but thankfully we havent got the responsibility of making the decisions that mean life and death to different people. Lockdown to long and you start to lose to many to indirect deaths and you risk a national mental health crisis ( and it was already suffering ) you also risk crippling the country financially too. And while I may have my own opinions. From day one I've been helping those less able or fortunate than myself to get through this.... as the only thing I do know for sure is that we are all in this together " A balanced, well thought out and written response. | |||
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"The number of people saying that medical services in their are stopped surprises me. Locally cancer treatments have continued along with essential operations and mental health services. Most GPs continued to see patients where deemed necessary too, cases being triaged before being given face to face appointments. It is only non-essential services and medical services that stopped. I also completely agree with the lockdown/ social distancing and think it needs to continue for the time being. However, I do think that those struggling should be getting more support. " Sadly not so. People not getting treatment for cancer...vital treatment | |||
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"I agree with lockdown. No I dont think restrictions should be lifted yet. It’s a pandemic and obviously there will be indirect deaths as well as direct deaths from covid, that’s inevitable. The thing is a heart attack in one person doesn’t spread to 3 others does it? You can contain it. If we didn’t have lockdown the numbers would be worse. The economy can’t handle a second peak anymore that NHS staff can. The whole thing must be distressing and hard work, not to mention the mental health issues going along with experiencing that on a daily basis. I get the impression that some would happily just throw the doors open and take the consequences but once your hospitals are over run and the NHS staff become fatigued then what? It’s a pandemic, never seen before and yet some expect to just carry on. So naive in my opinion. But that's the point of the lockdown, it's about controlling the numbers with it not stopping it, that cant be done until either we have a vaccine or herd immunity kicks in, its naive to think any different, the vulnerable have to stay isolated until either of the former happens I know that’s the point of lockdown, I have been observing it. You can’t stop this virus but the point is to reduce numbers and open up again gradually, not talk about numbers dropping then go and have a party. Too many people are too keen to end restrictions, it needs a bit more time. Which is what the government and all countries will and have been doing. Except Sweden, it will interesting to see the total excess deaths that happen from 1st Jan 2020 to say may 2021 in every country to see which way was best." there has been 4 vivid deaths in Malta they acted fast closed there borders and only 4 deaths all elderly. Hollie | |||
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"I agree with lockdown. No I dont think restrictions should be lifted yet. It’s a pandemic and obviously there will be indirect deaths as well as direct deaths from covid, that’s inevitable. The thing is a heart attack in one person doesn’t spread to 3 others does it? You can contain it. If we didn’t have lockdown the numbers would be worse. The economy can’t handle a second peak anymore that NHS staff can. The whole thing must be distressing and hard work, not to mention the mental health issues going along with experiencing that on a daily basis. I get the impression that some would happily just throw the doors open and take the consequences but once your hospitals are over run and the NHS staff become fatigued then what? It’s a pandemic, never seen before and yet some expect to just carry on. So naive in my opinion. But that's the point of the lockdown, it's about controlling the numbers with it not stopping it, that cant be done until either we have a vaccine or herd immunity kicks in, its naive to think any different, the vulnerable have to stay isolated until either of the former happens I know that’s the point of lockdown, I have been observing it. You can’t stop this virus but the point is to reduce numbers and open up again gradually, not talk about numbers dropping then go and have a party. Too many people are too keen to end restrictions, it needs a bit more time. Which is what the government and all countries will and have been doing. Except Sweden, it will interesting to see the total excess deaths that happen from 1st Jan 2020 to say may 2021 in every country to see which way was best. there has been 4 vivid deaths in Malta they acted fast closed there borders and only 4 deaths all elderly. Hollie " ptedictibe text meant covid | |||
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