FabSwingers.com forum: A fifth of retailers gone

By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

How many will be left after another two months of lockdown?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Certainly one way to cut down on the needless acquisition of "stuff"

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"Certainly one way to cut down on the needless acquisition of "stuff""

Define Stuff?

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

cheshire

Very sad for all the hard working business owners and employees

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Certainly one way to cut down on the needless acquisition of "stuff""
nope folk will just order more "stuff" online then moan about all the extra trucks and Van's moving and delivering it

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

The high Street in my home town was already on knees. Its lost many of the big name retailers as well as some smaller independent shops.

The place will be a ghost town after this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Certainly one way to cut down on the needless acquisition of "stuff"nope folk will just order more "stuff" online then moan about all the extra trucks and Van's moving and delivering it "

Lots wont have jobs to earn the money to spend on "stuff"

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

I've never been a big shopper. I'm not very materialistic

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"Certainly one way to cut down on the needless acquisition of "stuff"nope folk will just order more "stuff" online then moan about all the extra trucks and Van's moving and delivering it

Lots wont have jobs to earn the money to spend on "stuff" "

Disposal income will be an issue for many, however clever marketing and pricing will see goods moved.

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By *pmsldCouple
over a year ago

kettering

The ones that have gone down so far are retailers that were struggling already and would have likely gone into administration with or without the virus.

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By *ehind closed curtainsCouple
over a year ago

East Midlands

High street retail as a leisure activity was already on its way out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Certainly one way to cut down on the needless acquisition of "stuff"nope folk will just order more "stuff" online then moan about all the extra trucks and Van's moving and delivering it

Lots wont have jobs to earn the money to spend on "stuff"

Disposal income will be an issue for many, however clever marketing and pricing will see goods moved.

Sales will plummet,leading to knock-on closures

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"Certainly one way to cut down on the needless acquisition of "stuff"nope folk will just order more "stuff" online then moan about all the extra trucks and Van's moving and delivering it

Lots wont have jobs to earn the money to spend on "stuff"

Disposal income will be an issue for many, however clever marketing and pricing will see goods moved.

Sales will plummet,leading to knock-on closures "

Sales will go down but manufacturers and suppliers will adapt to this.

The retail industry won't stop it will just evolve to suit the current market.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is what I fear. Our streets were dead enough already because of Internet shopping. Its going to drive more people into online shopping and many of them may continue to do so more than before after the ban is lifted.

I imagine in time there will be only takeaways, nail bars and barbers on our shopping streets. Sad and it's been slowly going this way for years.

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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago

birmingham

1.3 million unemployed before the wuhan bat plague hit us. I can't even begin to think how many will be unemployed this time next year. Millions upon millions of lives permanently destroyed. Are we sure lockdown is still the best strategy?

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"This is what I fear. Our streets were dead enough already because of Internet shopping. Its going to drive more people into online shopping and many of them may continue to do so more than before after the ban is lifted.

I imagine in time there will be only takeaways, nail bars and barbers on our shopping streets. Sad and it's been slowly going this way for years.

You have just described my home town

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I imagine in time there will be only takeaways, nail bars and barbers on our shopping streets. Sad and it's been slowly going this way for years.

You have just described my home town

I've seen this happening all over with my job. I travel to towns and cities all over the UK and every year when I go back I see more and more places closed down.

Usually they tell me its because of Internet prices. Some manafactures are selling things online at wholesale prices! Retailers can't compete.

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"1.3 million unemployed before the wuhan bat plague hit us. I can't even begin to think how many will be unemployed this time next year. Millions upon millions of lives permanently destroyed. Are we sure lockdown is still the best strategy? "

You can bet the pressure is on the government from the big retailers and investors to have a plan in place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People in government and council are taking back handers from companies like Tesco and Morrisons to allow them to build supermarkets in areas where nobody else would have a look in.

Those supermarkets sell just about anything.. And that is knock on effect on the small independant traders.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"People in government and council are taking back handers from companies like Tesco and Morrisons to allow them to build supermarkets in areas where nobody else would have a look in.

Those supermarkets sell just about anything.. And that is knock on effect on the small independant traders. "

Sadly, some independents were greedy

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By *layfull pairingCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

The biggest problem is lazy arse people led on their sofas pressing the ‘add to basket’ button on the likes of amazon, etc.... then moaning there’s no shops left on the high streets ....

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"People in government and council are taking back handers from companies like Tesco and Morrisons to allow them to build supermarkets in areas where nobody else would have a look in.

Those supermarkets sell just about anything.. And that is knock on effect on the small independant traders.

Sadly, some independents were greedy"

Yep my town council was under scrutiny for execesive rates on retail property.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People in government and council are taking back handers from companies like Tesco and Morrisons to allow them to build supermarkets in areas where nobody else would have a look in.

Those supermarkets sell just about anything.. And that is knock on effect on the small independant traders.

Sadly, some independents were greedy"

Supermarkets are very greedy.

At the moment electrical stores like curries are closed, but supermarkets are still allowed to sell thrir items. That doesn't sound fair.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People in government and council are taking back handers from companies like Tesco and Morrisons to allow them to build supermarkets in areas where nobody else would have a look in.

Those supermarkets sell just about anything.. And that is knock on effect on the small independant traders.

Sadly, some independents were greedy

Yep my town council was under scrutiny for execesive rates on retail property.

Oh, the money some of them charge for rent is ridiculous!!

Id rather sell out of the back of a van before I'd give them a penny.. The robbing bastards.

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"The biggest problem is lazy arse people led on their sofas pressing the ‘add to basket’ button on the likes of amazon, etc.... then moaning there’s no shops left on the high streets ...."

I agree ish

By Internet retail you are cutting out the middle man and get access to the worlds largest shops.

Most retail parks are the same generic retailers all over the country. If you want something unique you normally need to go on line.

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By *abriellajackCouple
over a year ago

Newport

"Certainly one way to cut down on the needless acquisition of "stuff""

How exactly do you define this? Surely people can buy whatever they want with their own money? Whether it's defined as'needed' by a third party is irrelevant.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"High street retail as a leisure activity was already on its way out"
Sadly true and this lock down has soeeded it up.In the future we need to have a new type of town centre a hub for people to enjoy themselves it is a new future that must be speeded up.People still want have a coffee watch the world go bu see things etc.Town centres can be thereputic if done right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There probably will be a new type of town centre in the future. I imagine there will be stores which will be used for display purposes only.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"Certainly one way to cut down on the needless acquisition of "stuff"nope folk will just order more "stuff" online then moan about all the extra trucks and Van's moving and delivering it "

Vans delivering Vanns

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Certainly one way to cut down on the needless acquisition of "stuff"

How exactly do you define this? Surely people can buy whatever they want with their own money? Whether it's defined as'needed' by a third party is irrelevant."

And we wonder why the planet is dying, our endless consumption has consequences.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

This could well end with worst recession we have known since the 30s ,who will lead world out of it ?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm expecting that this will expedite the introduction of more tech to replace shop staff. You'll face risks from using it but the shops won't be liable for staff getting sick etc. I dislike shops who have reduced staff levels, imposing tech for use instead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many will be left after another two months of lockdown? "

Can I ask where u heard this statistic ?

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

I imagine in time there will be only takeaways, nail bars and barbers on our shopping streets. Sad and it's been slowly going this way for years.

Add bookies, so many bookies and those cash for goods places and you've got our local shopping centre

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By *ovegames42Man
over a year ago

london

"Certainly one way to cut down on the needless acquisition of "stuff"nope folk will just order more "stuff" online then moan about all the extra trucks and Van's moving and delivering it "

The sky’s will be full of drones soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The big winner out of this will be amazon which is following the Usa wall mart example of destroying competition..they will undercut competition and take a loss until the competition is gone then prices will rise..in these days with the global players like amazon where manufacturers can sell retail through them then a retailer with premises for browsing is always in a no win situation. Possibly more like argos may appear where you can browse catalogues and collect from a town centre premises..the larger shopping centres have been changing for some years by adding restaurants and entertainment centres so it becomes a day out experience. The biggest issue to high street retailers in the uk is taxes in the form of business rates..big Bill's and little or no returns for it..no police on the beat to ensure against anti social behaviour or shop lifting etc poor cleaning on high streets etc..so retail has to change so does the government's policy on rates and taxes..if retail distribution warehouses had the same rates as big high street stores it would be a good start to evening the playing field...

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By *oodhe1Man
over a year ago

Coleford

"The high Street in my home town was already on knees. Its lost many of the big name retailers as well as some smaller independent shops.

The place will be a ghost town after this

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but surely the health and safety of people comes first?

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

"How many will be left after another two months of lockdown?

Can I ask where u heard this statistic ?"

https://www.soundhealthandlastingwealth.com/health-news/coronavirus-uk-a-fifth-of-retailers-have-shut-permanently/

I think this is what was meant?

Not set in stone yet, but suggested.

If true, will be disastrous for many people and towns.

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

"How many will be left after another two months of lockdown? "

Not many and more people staying in will only encourage people to shop online.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"This could well end with worst recession we have known since the 30s ,who will lead world out of it ? "
Us by hard work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The high Street in my home town was already on knees. Its lost many of the big name retailers as well as some smaller independent shops.

The place will be a ghost town after this

but surely the health and safety of people comes first?"

People need money to pay rent, bills and buy food. How does locking people in their homes too long so they don’t have a job at the end of this help with health and safety. We still have HIV what makes you think Covid is going to go away in the short term. Are you saying stay home for years.

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"The high Street in my home town was already on knees. Its lost many of the big name retailers as well as some smaller independent shops.

The place will be a ghost town after this

but surely the health and safety of people comes first?"

This was pre covid. The demise of my local high street was enevitable due to several factors, covid has just sped up the process.

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS
over a year ago

Belpre

There's been many hard times in the last hundred years, we will get through this as well. It's going to be tough for awhile, but we'll make it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quote, Dan O'Brien, economist

"Compare the Great Depression and Spanish flu. Does anyone doubt that the former had a much longer lasting effect on the world + led to great societal traumatisation? There are no simple choices dealing with the Covid-19 health and socioeconomic effects.

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By *aretobareCouple
over a year ago

Central Portugal

Just hope that this doesn't lead to a war with China by the orange blamanche - It is like having a 3 year old uncharge of the "greatest economy ever!" - he just gets further and further away from reality every day!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just hope that this doesn't lead to a war with China by the orange blamanche - It is like having a 3 year old uncharge of the "greatest economy ever!" - he just gets further and further away from reality every day!

The further he gets from reality the better at this stage...he will have less voting for him hopefully

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"People in government and council are taking back handers from companies like Tesco and Morrisons to allow them to build supermarkets in areas where nobody else would have a look in.

Those supermarkets sell just about anything.. And that is knock on effect on the small independant traders.

Sadly, some independents were greedy

Yep my town council was under scrutiny for execesive rates on retail property.

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Given that town councils have fuck all power over business rates that's a waste of scrutiny then....

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"How many will be left after another two months of lockdown?

Can I ask where u heard this statistic ?

https://www.soundhealthandlastingwealth.com/health-news/coronavirus-uk-a-fifth-of-retailers-have-shut-permanently/

I think this is what was meant?

Not set in stone yet, but suggested.

If true, will be disastrous for many people and towns."
You'd probably get a better perspective looking for people like Bill Grimsey on Twitter - he actually knows what he's on about.

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"People in government and council are taking back handers from companies like Tesco and Morrisons to allow them to build supermarkets in areas where nobody else would have a look in.

Those supermarkets sell just about anything.. And that is knock on effect on the small independant traders.

Sadly, some independents were greedy

Yep my town council was under scrutiny for execesive rates on retail property.

Given that town councils have fuck all power over business rates that's a waste of scrutiny then....

I don't own a business and don't know ow about commercial business rates however, if the council own the property and they rent it out is rent not a rate?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People in government and council are taking back handers from companies like Tesco and Morrisons to allow them to build supermarkets in areas where nobody else would have a look in.

Those supermarkets sell just about anything.. And that is knock on effect on the small independant traders.

Sadly, some independents were greedy

Yep my town council was under scrutiny for execesive rates on retail property.

Given that town councils have fuck all power over business rates that's a waste of scrutiny then....

I don't own a business and don't know ow about commercial business rates however, if the council own the property and they rent it out is rent not a rate?

No it’s an entirely different thing, think of it like rent your pay on your home and council tax.

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"People in government and council are taking back handers from companies like Tesco and Morrisons to allow them to build supermarkets in areas where nobody else would have a look in.

Those supermarkets sell just about anything.. And that is knock on effect on the small independant traders.

Sadly, some independents were greedy

Yep my town council was under scrutiny for execesive rates on retail property.

Given that town councils have fuck all power over business rates that's a waste of scrutiny then....

I don't own a business and don't know ow about commercial business rates however, if the council own the property and they rent it out is rent not a rate?

No it’s an entirely different thing, think of it like rent your pay on your home and council tax. "

Ah so I worded it incorrectly before the fab expert corrected me

Falkirk Council were under scrutiny for excessive rent charges. Is that a better way to phrase it?

If you check the Falkirk Hearald web pages there are a few articles on it.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

People who moan about the demise of the high street do they never shop online?.Its a sign of the times the world has gone digital cash is becoming a thing of the past and so will high streets.Everything changes with time.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Certainly one way to cut down on the needless acquisition of "stuff"

Define Stuff?"

Crap you don't really need but buy anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Certainly one way to cut down on the needless acquisition of "stuff"

Define Stuff?

Crap you don't really need but buy anyway.

Perfect definition

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Certainly one way to cut down on the needless acquisition of "stuff"

Define Stuff?

Crap you don't really need but buy anyway.

Perfect definition "

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"Certainly one way to cut down on the needless acquisition of "stuff"

Define Stuff?

Crap you don't really need but buy anyway.

Perfect definition

Or essential stuff you need.

You can use it as a negative or a positive.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Certainly one way to cut down on the needless acquisition of "stuff"

Define Stuff?

Crap you don't really need but buy anyway.

Perfect definition

Or essential stuff you need.

You can use it as a negative or a positive.

This is very true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The biggest problem is lazy arse people led on their sofas pressing the ‘add to basket’ button on the likes of amazon, etc.... then moaning there’s no shops left on the high streets ...."

I am not lazy and yes i do order online . No car parking charges or rude shop assistants who in my opinion dont assist .

It leaves me with valuable time to spend doing other things.

It's my money and i will spend it as i wish ...that doesn't make me a lazy arse !

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By *bsolutebeginnersCouple
over a year ago

Planet Ork

Our local independent greengrocers and butchers are actually thriving since the lockdown because people would rather pay a few pence extra now instead of queuing up for 15 minutes to get into a supermarket. Our local handyman store is also busy as people are trying to fill their time by catching up with their odd jobs around the house and garden. Some garden centres have started a home delivery service and are also busy at the moment. The local chip shop seems to be doing a great trade now that there’s no competition from the giants of take away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I imagine in time there will be only takeaways, nail bars and barbers on our shopping streets. Sad and it's been slowly going this way for years.

Inevitably this was going to happen. I have suspected it for many years once the big supermarkets have destroyed theittle shops.prices of food etc are likely to rise. That may be replicated by online sellers also who recognise that cystomers have little to no alternative options.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"High street retail as a leisure activity was already on its way outSadly true and this lock down has soeeded it up.In the future we need to have a new type of town centre a hub for people to enjoy themselves it is a new future that must be speeded up.People still want have a coffee watch the world go bu see things etc.Town centres can be thereputic if done right"

Our council has a similar vision to this they had planned to e acute over the next few years. Problem we have in Scotland is the weather. I cant see people congregating in the evening to enjoy social spaces when it's cold and wet.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"Our local independent greengrocers and butchers are actually thriving since the lockdown because people would rather pay a few pence extra now instead of queuing up for 15 minutes to get into a supermarket. Our local handyman store is also busy as people are trying to fill their time by catching up with their odd jobs around the house and garden. Some garden centres have started a home delivery service and are also busy at the moment. The local chip shop seems to be doing a great trade now that there’s no competition from the giants of take away. "
This, there will be winners as well as losers...

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