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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

People reportedly breathing better from reduction in fossil fuel consumption.

After all this is over, will lessons be learned, or will we go back to killing off the planet with ships, cars and flying in aeroplanes on fancy holidays?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The effects of less fuel consumption shows how damaging us humans are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes the environmental impact of us humans..is being reduced...but will we become better for it...nope sadly I don't think as a whole we will.... there is bound to be some changes big and small..a change in how people travel, holiday etc..but on the whole...nope..

Just look at football for example...all the debates about continuing the season..to restarting it....oh it creates business and trade etc...but I mean really do we need large-scale events like that..that a selected few earn millions from...

Do we actually need flights that are cheaper then trains...Awhile back on a cost level..it was cheaper to fly Birmingham to Amsterdam to Manchester..and return via Frankfurt to Birmingham..then to take a train.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

What ever happens you will pay for it. With money. The whole coronavirus playout has been judged on how much each death costs in terms of money money money

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yes the environmental impact of us humans..is being reduced...but will we become better for it...nope sadly I don't think as a whole we will.... there is bound to be some changes big and small..a change in how people travel, holiday etc..but on the whole...nope..

Just look at football for example...all the debates about continuing the season..to restarting it....oh it creates business and trade etc...but I mean really do we need large-scale events like that..that a selected few earn millions from...

Do we actually need flights that are cheaper then trains...Awhile back on a cost level..it was cheaper to fly Birmingham to Amsterdam to Manchester..and return via Frankfurt to Birmingham..then to take a train."

Yeah this is the thing..

The train more expensive monitarily, yet less pollution than an aeroplane . Id like to know why its cheaper to fly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We will not learn and once this is over the environment will be affected even more than it previously was.

There will be more vehicles on the road because each vehicle will be carrying just one person.

There will be more planes in the Air because of reduced seats due to social distancing.

Pollution will spiral after this.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What ever happens you will pay for it. With money. The whole coronavirus playout has been judged on how much each death costs in terms of money money money

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Yeah the cynic in me thinks the funeral directors are behsving sympathetically yet laughing up their sleeves

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"We will not learn and once this is over the environment will be affected even more than it previously was.

There will be more vehicles on the road because each vehicle will be carrying just one person.

There will be more planes in the Air because of reduced seats due to social distancing.

Pollution will spiral after this."

I think so too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What ever happens you will pay for it. With money. The whole coronavirus playout has been judged on how much each death costs in terms of money money money

Yeah the cynic in me thinks the funeral directors are behsving sympathetically yet laughing up their sleeves "

Im the world's worst cynic

One of my neighbours is a funeral director. He is the most upbeat guy ever. I saw him a couple of weeks ago, coming home from work. He said he had done a 16 hr day and was nearly in tears

I really felt for him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah so we are all going to en mass stop going on holiday. Forgive the cynic in me but I have family that are driving me dotty at the moment, having shock horror cancelled their trips to Russia and Poland and Madeira this year.

Some of them have been round the world twice and Polluted the planet 10x more than I ever have but have suddenly become all uber green in their old age and telling everyone and their dog how wonderful this all is. I just ignore them to be honest. I smell Bullshit.

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

A quick Google shows aviation contributes 2% to greenhouse gases

Livestock contribute 14%

Airlines are an easy target but how about fast food joints such as mc'ds

I like my far flung trips and hate burgers so I am not very impartial

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By *omplexchiqueTV/TS
over a year ago

Sale


"People reportedly breathing better from reduction in fossil fuel consumption.

After all this is over, will lessons be learned, or will we go back to killing off the planet with ships, cars and flying in aeroplanes on fancy holidays? "

Feel the need to ensure there is a true reflection of why the air quality appears better but also to signal caution that this is NOT the way forwards to a greener planet and healthier life.….

What we are experiencing during lockdown is undoubtedly a massive reduction in the local use of motorised transport and some small scale manufacturing activities. As a result, the air quality in our cities, towns and local countryside appears cleaner and fresher to breathe. This correlates directly to reduced levels of Soot (unburnt carbon) and Nitrogen Dioxide levels and in itself should be celebrated.

However, this event is somewhat of a false dawn announcement and should not be seen as the silver bullet to either our national or global fossil fuel emissions problem. Far outweighing the local air quality improvements is the almost constant increase (yes even during lockdown) of the invisible and odourless gas CO2. Whereas as we may feel the air is better to breathe, daily emissions from fossil fuel consumption have hardly altered nationally or globally, in fact they may well have increased.

This is evident as everyone still has power to our homes, so power stations are still burning coal, oil and gas. Large manufacturing (steel, other metals, plastics, cement and a myriad of other construction materials) are still producing at the same output as their operations are too expensive to keep shutting down and starting up. Agriculture is still chugging along producing its own CO2 and well as discharging the other problematic gas methane (from cows, pigs and chicken). Freight movement by ship, air (not passenger) and road have all increased during the pandemic in response to our demand from online ordering. And guess what, each type of transport produces CO2 and in enormous quantities.

So, in summary, the change needed in behaviour to truly reduce fossil fuel emissions is far bigger than what we are experiencing during lockdown, but it is at lease a good, if not exceedingly small, first step.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent


"A quick Google shows aviation contributes 2% to greenhouse gases

Livestock contribute 14%

Airlines are an easy target but how about fast food joints such as mc'ds

I like my far flung trips and hate burgers so I am not very impartial "

Why can't people just eat less (much less if I had my way) meat? It's bad for them and is destroying the planet and most of it is shite.

For example: go to a BBQ (when it was possible) offering a vegetarian option: Whilst most won't admit to it the meat eaters will all want some of the vegetarian stuff. Sometimes leaving the poor vegetarians with nothing to have, awwww. Then there's always loads of uneaten crap sausages and burgers left at the end.

I've digressed maybe but why not just cut down on the meat? For the sake of everyone except big business.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh dear the meat arguement .

Fresh meatin the right amount is not bad for you.

Processed meat its terrible for you.

Not all meat is bad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A quick Google shows aviation contributes 2% to greenhouse gases

Livestock contribute 14%

Airlines are an easy target but how about fast food joints such as mc'ds

I like my far flung trips and hate burgers so I am not very impartial "

I googled this as well and you are correct, Aviation just 2%.

Quite frankly I am of the opinion this is political and I do not believe it!

Heathrow has a plane taking off and landing every single minute of every single day, all laden with literally Tons of fuel.

Heathrow is just one of many airports throughout the UK. Every other country is similar - frankly I do not believe that all of those millions of tons of fuel every single day only contribute towards 2% of our pollution.

If correct, they should convert all of cars to work on the same fuel

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"A quick Google shows aviation contributes 2% to greenhouse gases

Livestock contribute 14%

Airlines are an easy target but how about fast food joints such as mc'ds

I like my far flung trips and hate burgers so I am not very impartial

Why can't people just eat less (much less if I had my way) meat? It's bad for them and is destroying the planet and most of it is shite.

For example: go to a BBQ (when it was possible) offering a vegetarian option: Whilst most won't admit to it the meat eaters will all want some of the vegetarian stuff. Sometimes leaving the poor vegetarians with nothing to have, awwww. Then there's always loads of uneaten crap sausages and burgers left at the end.

I've digressed maybe but why not just cut down on the meat? For the sake of everyone except big business. "

Actually you haven't digressed, if people see and notice a change in the local environment, hopefully they may think of other things like meat production as mentioned earlier. Im trying to cut the meat option snd going for alternatives

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Animals have been on the planet since the year Dot!

Industry, Planes and automobiles not quite so much.

Anyone spot the problem?

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent


"A quick Google shows aviation contributes 2% to greenhouse gases

Livestock contribute 14%

Airlines are an easy target but how about fast food joints such as mc'ds

I like my far flung trips and hate burgers so I am not very impartial

Why can't people just eat less (much less if I had my way) meat? It's bad for them and is destroying the planet and most of it is shite.

For example: go to a BBQ (when it was possible) offering a vegetarian option: Whilst most won't admit to it the meat eaters will all want some of the vegetarian stuff. Sometimes leaving the poor vegetarians with nothing to have, awwww. Then there's always loads of uneaten crap sausages and burgers left at the end.

I've digressed maybe but why not just cut down on the meat? For the sake of everyone except big business.

Actually you haven't digressed, if people see and notice a change in the local environment, hopefully they may think of other things like meat production as mentioned earlier. Im trying to cut the meat option snd going for alternatives "

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA


"Animals have been on the planet since the year Dot!

Industry, Planes and automobiles not quite so much.

Anyone spot the problem?

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Yes, we have created a whole industry around meat production meaning we breed more and more cattle so satisfy our perceived need to eat burgers

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By *ortadowncplCouple
over a year ago

Portadown

We are moving about less but we are consuming as much or even more.

Climate change is happening, as it always does. The human factor is exponentially speeding this up and we will reach the “tipping point” that flips is over to a glacial stage. We don’t quite know what this will look like but looking to the past it might well start when temperature rises and ocean levels change enough to effect the deep ocean currents.

This will cause parts of the planet to cool down rapidly, grow ice which reflects solar radiation cooling more, causing more ice until this positive feedback loop pushes us into a glacial period. It happens often, our pumping the atmosphere with carbon and methane is speeding it up to the point we won’t be able to adapt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes the environmental impact of us humans..is being reduced...but will we become better for it...nope sadly I don't think as a whole we will.... there is bound to be some changes big and small..a change in how people travel, holiday etc..but on the whole...nope..

Just look at football for example...all the debates about continuing the season..to restarting it....oh it creates business and trade etc...but I mean really do we need large-scale events like that..that a selected few earn millions from...

Do we actually need flights that are cheaper then trains...Awhile back on a cost level..it was cheaper to fly Birmingham to Amsterdam to Manchester..and return via Frankfurt to Birmingham..then to take a train."

I am more optimistic than yourself.

I think/hope many people will change for the better.

One thing we can agree on though is, train prices are far to high. Thats what you get when you sell it to a foreign company who then use our fares to keep fares in their own country low.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cattle and Co2

In the US there are 600,000 cows making Co2

In 1870s the us killed off the buffalo by paying for their hides to kill off the Indians. Total killed 950,000 so must have had Co2 levels then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't believe all the bullshit the tree huggers tell you.

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA


"Cattle and Co2

In the US there are 600,000 cows making Co2

In 1870s the us killed off the buffalo by paying for their hides to kill off the Indians. Total killed 950,000 so must have had Co2 levels then?

"

You sure about the 600k number?

I know a guy who farms 3 million chickens a year there so find 600k cattle a very low number

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"People reportedly breathing better from reduction in fossil fuel consumption.

After all this is over, will lessons be learned, or will we go back to killing off the planet with ships, cars and flying in aeroplanes on fancy holidays? "

Not me my asthma has been off the charts since this all started.

I think high pollen count has taken from emissions.

Hayfever and asthma never been so bad.

Perhaps it's the fact my body is used to emissions where as it's not used to such a high pollen count??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cattle and Co2

In the US there are 600,000 cows making Co2

In 1870s the us killed off the buffalo by paying for their hides to kill off the Indians. Total killed 950,000 so must have had Co2 levels then?

You sure about the 600k number?

I know a guy who farms 3 million chickens a year there so find 600k cattle a very low number"
600,000 cows take up a lot of room a chicken doesn't lol

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA


"Cattle and Co2

In the US there are 600,000 cows making Co2

In 1870s the us killed off the buffalo by paying for their hides to kill off the Indians. Total killed 950,000 so must have had Co2 levels then?

You sure about the 600k number?

I know a guy who farms 3 million chickens a year there so find 600k cattle a very low number600,000 cows take up a lot of room a chicken doesn't lol "

It's a big place that there USA

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"Cattle and Co2

In the US there are 600,000 cows making Co2

In 1870s the us killed off the buffalo by paying for their hides to kill off the Indians. Total killed 950,000 so must have had Co2 levels then?

You sure about the 600k number?

I know a guy who farms 3 million chickens a year there so find 600k cattle a very low number600,000 cows take up a lot of room a chicken doesn't lol "

What about cow sized chickens??

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

I'm Google educated here but

'the United States is home to 94.8 million cattle and calves as of 2019'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cattle and Co2

In the US there are 600,000 cows making Co2

In 1870s the us killed off the buffalo by paying for their hides to kill off the Indians. Total killed 950,000 so must have had Co2 levels then?

You sure about the 600k number?

I know a guy who farms 3 million chickens a year there so find 600k cattle a very low number600,000 cows take up a lot of room a chicken doesn't lol

What about cow sized chickens??"
like to see that at KFC

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cattle and Co2

In the US there are 600,000 cows making Co2

In 1870s the us killed off the buffalo by paying for their hides to kill off the Indians. Total killed 950,000 so must have had Co2 levels then?

You sure about the 600k number?

I know a guy who farms 3 million chickens a year there so find 600k cattle a very low number600,000 cows take up a lot of room a chicken doesn't lol

What about cow sized chickens??like to see that at KFC "

I often wonder what bits of the chicken you get at kfc

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Cattle and Co2

In the US there are 600,000 cows making Co2

In 1870s the us killed off the buffalo by paying for their hides to kill off the Indians. Total killed 950,000 so must have had Co2 levels then?

You sure about the 600k number?

I know a guy who farms 3 million chickens a year there so find 600k cattle a very low number600,000 cows take up a lot of room a chicken doesn't lol

What about cow sized chickens??like to see that at KFC

I often wonder what bits of the chicken you get at kfc

"

Possibly no chicken derived protein.. Cockroach?

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent

https://www.facebook.com/13312631635/posts/10158238836091636/

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By *ny1localMan
over a year ago

READING

Okay, so cows are bad for the environment, I'm doing my bit to help. The more I can eat them, the less there'll be

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Pollution is much less, it's great. It will resurge because we are locked in to our destructive ways of living

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

Seems

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS
over a year ago

Belpre


"A quick Google shows aviation contributes 2% to greenhouse gases

Livestock contribute 14%

Airlines are an easy target but how about fast food joints such as mc'ds

I like my far flung trips and hate burgers so I am not very impartial "

That 2% they report is bull shit. Globally, the airlines used nearly 100 billion gallons of jet fuel in 2019, which is kerosene. Kerosene is nearly as bad a pollutant as diesel fuel, and the airlines are depositing that pollutant at high altitudes. They should have converted their jet engines to run on clean burning fuel years ago, because they know they could have.

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