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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool

Watch it tonight.

It will be on I player.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

Next weeks one looks to be very interesting from a science geek point of view

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love Panorama

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Crap programme so negative

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

I'll wait for the movie thanks

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool

Well knock me down with a feather.

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By *emptd2Man
over a year ago

Burgess Hill & Birmingham

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-52440641

Article about said programme. Highlights:

The expert committee that advises the government on pandemics, recommended the purchase of gowns last June.

Of the 33 Million FFP3 masks stockpiled in 2009 only 12 million have been handed out. The government refuses to explain where the other masks have gone.

A government spokesperson said the stockpile was designed for a flu pandemic and that Covid-19 is a different disease with a higher hospitalisation rate.

January - Covid19 classified as High Consequence Infectious Disease (HCID) by British Experts. Healthcare workers should wear a gown, FFP3 Mask and visor when dealing with HCIDs. Covid19 was downgraded by an Advisory committee on March 13th which did not contain the experts who upgraded Covid19 to HCID. The decision to downgrade was a "pragmatic" decision based on current levels of PPE.

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By *mcouple2Couple
over a year ago

Warrington

Yawn

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Does raise the question where 21 millions mask have gone?

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights


"Does raise the question where 21 millions mask have gone? "

Sold to europe as we had excess and we bought gowns which we needed more instead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days"

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease. "

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one. "

Another day when you can say anything, tow the line...

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one. "

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


". But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

"

It's the government's job to manage a crisis like this. It's not the responsibility of an individual citizen, and suggesting you have to be taking practical action yourself before you can criticise is nonsense. Is that what you did before all this? Any time you wanted to criticise the government you made sure you did something practical on the issue yourself? I'm sceptical.

Though if you insist, one practical thing people can do is allow others to be upset, angry, or worried without condescending comments like this.

This 'be quiet, be a good little citizen and don't rock the boat' attitude is nauseating.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one.

Another day when you can say anything, tow the line..."

Sorry? You’re over this forum like a rash. Just because people are biting back at you it doesn’t mean you’re being silenced.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one. "

The solution to not being left unequipped in a war zone, is not to join a underfunded force in the first place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one.

Another day when you can say anything, tow the line...

Sorry? You’re over this forum like a rash. Just because people are biting back at you it doesn’t mean you’re being silenced. "

Sorry for being on a forum, sorry for asking questions. Happy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one.

The solution to not being left unequipped in a war zone, is not to join a underfunded force in the first place.

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Are you saying the same to nurses?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one.

The solution to not being left unequipped in a war zone, is not to join a underfunded force in the first place.

"

That's a bit harsh. I may not agree with some of the conflicts but support all our service men and women. It's bloody awful they don't get what they need either.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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No government can prepare for every eventuality.

At the start of this people were mocking others for taking it seriously, dismissing it as nothing. It will fizzle out before it gets to us, they said.

The government planned for flu, rightly or wrongly. Certainly questions need to be answered but the fact is nobody can totally prepare effectively for the unknown. You simply can’t.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Victoria Atkins.....not long for the job....?

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

The people here defending or deflecting are part of the problem here and that they have worse in the USA. A blinkered refusal to accept the evidence of their own eyes because it's "our side" being criticised.

Regardless of how PPE procurement and distribution was handled, if you can't see that downgrading of an infection that has caused a global lockdown is political decision to enable them to say "we met targets" and has killed NHS staff, I'm afraid you are beyond help.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one.

Another day when you can say anything, tow the line...

Sorry? You’re over this forum like a rash. Just because people are biting back at you it doesn’t mean you’re being silenced.

Sorry for being on a forum, sorry for asking questions. Happy?"

You ask lots of questions and make lots of claims but when called out on them never answer, have you found which years the nhs received less money than the year before yet?

Funny how you criticise Boriscet al for telling lies but tell porkies yourself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one. "

Practical things mmm let's see:

Apart from volunteering for the NHS scheme , help/keep an eye on vulnerable neighbours and above all follow government advice etc etc it's in all our hands .

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Yawn"

Says it all really

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one. "

Do you realise they have deliberately lied?

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By *ess n BenCouple
over a year ago

Didcot


"Yawn"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one.

Do you realise they have deliberately lied?"

Do you think I’m stupid enough not to?

My issue with that one particular post is casting the aspersion that people are deluded or unsympathetic just because they’re getting fed up of being berated for their politics. For some reason, some on the left think they have the monopoly on compassion.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one.

Do you realise they have deliberately lied?"

That's what politicians do.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"

Do you realise they have deliberately lied?"

Fucking hell Lionel, always negative with you! Have you seen the latest shoplifting figures? Also, when this is all over there will be over 50,000 less Potential Shoplifters on the streets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one.

Do you realise they have deliberately lied?

Do you think I’m stupid enough not to?

My issue with that one particular post is casting the aspersion that people are deluded or unsympathetic just because they’re getting fed up of being berated for their politics. For some reason, some on the left think they have the monopoly on compassion. "

I think you will find people with compassion would call out any government that made terrible decisions that cost lives. Could be argued that you are unable to scrutinize this government precisely because of your political stripe

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one.

Do you realise they have deliberately lied?

That's what politicians do."

Some do.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"

Do you realise they have deliberately lied?

Fucking hell Lionel, always negative with you! Have you seen the latest shoplifting figures? Also, when this is all over there will be over 50,000 less Potential Shoplifters on the streets. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one.

Do you realise they have deliberately lied?

Do you think I’m stupid enough not to?

My issue with that one particular post is casting the aspersion that people are deluded or unsympathetic just because they’re getting fed up of being berated for their politics. For some reason, some on the left think they have the monopoly on compassion.

I think you will find people with compassion would call out any government that made terrible decisions that cost lives. Could be argued that you are unable to scrutinize this government precisely because of your political stripe "

Call out the government? What does that mean? What does that actually mean? For most of us it means fuck all till the ballot box.

Scrutinise? You’re not interested in anything other than saying the government is shit and winning an argument on the internet whilst belittling others who you perceive as having a different view.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apparently, fights in pubs are down too. Good news

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one.

Do you realise they have deliberately lied?

Do you think I’m stupid enough not to?

My issue with that one particular post is casting the aspersion that people are deluded or unsympathetic just because they’re getting fed up of being berated for their politics. For some reason, some on the left think they have the monopoly on compassion.

I think you will find people with compassion would call out any government that made terrible decisions that cost lives. Could be argued that you are unable to scrutinize this government precisely because of your political stripe

Call out the government? What does that mean? What does that actually mean? For most of us it means fuck all till the ballot box.

Scrutinise? You’re not interested in anything other than saying the government is shit and winning an argument on the internet whilst belittling others who you perceive as having a different view. "

Said, as they try to win an argument on the internet. Hey, if you don't like it, don't engage. Stay in your echo chamber.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one.

Do you realise they have deliberately lied?

Do you think I’m stupid enough not to?

My issue with that one particular post is casting the aspersion that people are deluded or unsympathetic just because they’re getting fed up of being berated for their politics. For some reason, some on the left think they have the monopoly on compassion.

I think you will find people with compassion would call out any government that made terrible decisions that cost lives. Could be argued that you are unable to scrutinize this government precisely because of your political stripe

Call out the government? What does that mean? What does that actually mean? For most of us it means fuck all till the ballot box.

Scrutinise? You’re not interested in anything other than saying the government is shit and winning an argument on the internet whilst belittling others who you perceive as having a different view.

Said, as they try to win an argument on the internet. Hey, if you don't like it, don't engage. Stay in your echo chamber."

Did we ever get that face palm emoji?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one.

Do you realise they have deliberately lied?

Do you think I’m stupid enough not to?

My issue with that one particular post is casting the aspersion that people are deluded or unsympathetic just because they’re getting fed up of being berated for their politics. For some reason, some on the left think they have the monopoly on compassion.

I think you will find people with compassion would call out any government that made terrible decisions that cost lives. Could be argued that you are unable to scrutinize this government precisely because of your political stripe

Call out the government? What does that mean? What does that actually mean? For most of us it means fuck all till the ballot box.

Scrutinise? You’re not interested in anything other than saying the government is shit and winning an argument on the internet whilst belittling others who you perceive as having a different view.

Said, as they try to win an argument on the internet. Hey, if you don't like it, don't engage. Stay in your echo chamber.

Did we ever get that face palm emoji?"

I actually think Sunak is doing a great job. They seem to be handling the economic side pretty well, under extreme circumstances. The emphasis on domestic violence is very welcome to. So, there you go, I can praise them too. I think Matt Hancock has been ok too. I won't blame him if the 100,000 tests are not reached. Not his fault if there isn't the capacity. Probably a mistake stating the number though

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

The disgusting practise by labour of sending British troops out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds was rightly condemned..

And yet this is deflected, yawned at, used to ask 'what are you doing in this crisis' against those raising it..

Fucks sake, they downgraded their own rating for covid 19 which meant NHS staff were in contact with people carrying or showing symptoms of it because they knew they had not prepared as they were told to..

Some of the NHS staff now dead from being in contact with the virus would probably be alive if they had the same level of ppe that they should have had if the government not changed the guidance to hide the fact that they made the decision they did..

If we truly are at a point where some are excusing this or deflecting it then that's a real problem for us as members of this society..

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over a year ago


"The disgusting practise by labour of sending British troops out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds was rightly condemned..

And yet this is deflected, yawned at, used to ask 'what are you doing in this crisis' against those raising it..

Fucks sake, they downgraded their own rating for covid 19 which meant NHS staff were in contact with people carrying or showing symptoms of it because they knew they had not prepared as they were told to..

Some of the NHS staff now dead from being in contact with the virus would probably be alive if they had the same level of ppe that they should have had if the government not changed the guidance to hide the fact that they made the decision they did..

If we truly are at a point where some are excusing this or deflecting it then that's a real problem for us as members of this society..

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one.

Do you realise they have deliberately lied?

Do you think I’m stupid enough not to?

My issue with that one particular post is casting the aspersion that people are deluded or unsympathetic just because they’re getting fed up of being berated for their politics. For some reason, some on the left think they have the monopoly on compassion. "

Its actually nothing to do with left or right.

The Iraq war was one of the biggest fuck ups labour have ever done and will haunt them for years.

But what is happening now is absolutely disgusting and people simply dont care.Without a shadow of a doubt these same people saying yawn are out in the street clapping on a thurs night.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yawn"

The government lying and causing the deaths NHS staff is boring to you?

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Yawn

The government lying and causing the deaths NHS staff is boring to you?"

Clearly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think Matt Hancock has been ok too. I won't blame him if the 100,000 tests are not reached. Not his fault if there isn't the capacity. Probably a mistake stating the number though"

So who is to blame then if not the man in charge?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one.

Do you realise they have deliberately lied?

Do you think I’m stupid enough not to?

My issue with that one particular post is casting the aspersion that people are deluded or unsympathetic just because they’re getting fed up of being berated for their politics. For some reason, some on the left think they have the monopoly on compassion.

Its actually nothing to do with left or right.

The Iraq war was one of the biggest fuck ups labour have ever done and will haunt them for years.

But what is happening now is absolutely disgusting and people simply dont care.Without a shadow of a doubt these same people saying yawn are out in the street clapping on a thurs night."

Dont you suspect that no matter who was in power these wars would have taken place anyway?

I always feel that our (UK) Government go to war when told, not when they decide.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one.

Do you realise they have deliberately lied?

Do you think I’m stupid enough not to?

My issue with that one particular post is casting the aspersion that people are deluded or unsympathetic just because they’re getting fed up of being berated for their politics. For some reason, some on the left think they have the monopoly on compassion.

Its actually nothing to do with left or right.

The Iraq war was one of the biggest fuck ups labour have ever done and will haunt them for years.

But what is happening now is absolutely disgusting and people simply dont care.Without a shadow of a doubt these same people saying yawn are out in the street clapping on a thurs night.

Dont you suspect that no matter who was in power these wars would have taken place anyway?

I always feel that our (UK) Government go to war when told, not when they decide."

Of course but labour where in power at the time and blair and co have blood on their hands.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool

I think when this is over the gmnt are going to have a few negligence cases on their hands.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

Had the second world war been judged by individual battles at the time we would have probably lost and surrendered by 1942

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"Had the second world war been judged by individual battles at the time we would have probably lost and surrendered by 1942

"

And a lot of journalists would probably have been shot for treason had they been alive then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think Matt Hancock has been ok too. I won't blame him if the 100,000 tests are not reached. Not his fault if there isn't the capacity. Probably a mistake stating the number though

So who is to blame then if not the man in charge?"
I don't think you can blame personally him for years of cuts and underfunding of lab capacity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Had the second world war been judged by individual battles at the time we would have probably lost and surrendered by 1942

And a lot of journalists would probably have been shot for treason had they been alive then"

A lot of folks on here probably wouldn't mind journalists being shot..

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire


"I think Matt Hancock has been ok too. I won't blame him if the 100,000 tests are not reached. Not his fault if there isn't the capacity. Probably a mistake stating the number though

So who is to blame then if not the man in charge?"

Genuine question - Why does there always have to be someone to blame?

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By *eneral HysteriaMan
over a year ago

Newcastle


"...I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic... What are you doing other than typing words on a phone? "

It's clear that many people are just getting things off their chest. It's also clear that some are posting unhelpful comments, eg. a lone comment such as 'yawn' is just rude.

They could have read and moved on. Adding those types of comments is ignorant and unnecessary.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Had the second world war been judged by individual battles at the time we would have probably lost and surrendered by 1942

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Totally relevant.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Yawn

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For the people who are not interested in the thread, please ignore the thread altogether

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"I think Matt Hancock has been ok too. I won't blame him if the 100,000 tests are not reached. Not his fault if there isn't the capacity. Probably a mistake stating the number though

So who is to blame then if not the man in charge?

Genuine question - Why does there always have to be someone to blame? "

Someting called accountability?you think if a

member of gmnt deliberately lies to the public and media it should just be ignored?

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"I think Matt Hancock has been ok too. I won't blame him if the 100,000 tests are not reached. Not his fault if there isn't the capacity. Probably a mistake stating the number though

So who is to blame then if not the man in charge?I don't think you can blame personally him for years of cuts and underfunding of lab capacity."

I dont think he is solely to blame.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Write to your MP

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

OK, this is not the political section. If you want to argue politics start a thread in the right section but stop bringing it into the virus section/ threads.

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire


"I think Matt Hancock has been ok too. I won't blame him if the 100,000 tests are not reached. Not his fault if there isn't the capacity. Probably a mistake stating the number though

So who is to blame then if not the man in charge?

Genuine question - Why does there always have to be someone to blame?

Someting called accountability?you think if a

member of gmnt deliberately lies to the public and media it should just be ignored?"

There is a huge difference between lying and failing to meet a prediction. I feel sure when he said 100000 he thought it was feasible and I don’t doubt the relevant people are doing what they can to get there.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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He did say at the beginning it was a target

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"OK, this is not the political section. If you want to argue politics start a thread in the right section but stop bringing it into the virus section/ threads."

This

Almost every thread turns into politics crap.

There is a political section.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"OK, this is not the political section. If you want to argue politics start a thread in the right section but stop bringing it into the virus section/ threads.

This

Almost every thread turns into politics crap.

There is a political section."

It's that politics 'crap' that leads to situations where nurses and doctors have most probably died because someone decided to cover up their mistakes..

Sorry if that offends your sense of what is and isn't in which thread..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The disgusting practise by labour of sending British troops out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds was rightly condemned..

And yet this is deflected, yawned at, used to ask 'what are you doing in this crisis' against those raising it..

Fucks sake, they downgraded their own rating for covid 19 which meant NHS staff were in contact with people carrying or showing symptoms of it because they knew they had not prepared as they were told to..

Some of the NHS staff now dead from being in contact with the virus would probably be alive if they had the same level of ppe that they should have had if the government not changed the guidance to hide the fact that they made the decision they did..

If we truly are at a point where some are excusing this or deflecting it then that's a real problem for us as members of this society..

"

What a lot of you don’t seem to understand is that it’s not about the message, it’s about the way it’s delivered. That’s what gets people backs up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

However you think the government are doing, and personally I think some of them are doing a lot better than I ever expected/hoped, the fact is there was a pandemic exercise three years ago which (probably because of being preoccupied with the brexit lunacy) the government failed to act on the recommendations of so they do bear responsibility for that lack of action. Simples

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Talking about mistakes you think the Government has made on the subject in hand is fine as is anything positive for the Government who happen to be in charge..going onto what each government has done in the past and turning the threads into he did this, they did that many moons ago isn't

People should try and keep to the subject as much as they can , if they want to use the threads to discuss politics altogether they should move to the right section and start a thread for it.

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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire and London


"Some of the comments on here...ye gods. 'Yawn', it's people's fucking lives. Just waiting for a 'it's the BBC, fake news, needs dismantling' kinda comment. Great days

Some deluded / unsympathetic people about. Is it a case of "I'm ok Jack" and have no empathy for those affected by this horrible new disease.

I don’t think anyone is deluded or unsympathetic. But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

Whilst no one can deny that this and other governments round the world have got PPE wrong, I bet there are many reading this thinking back to when they were deployed to a war zone, under all governments, and the kit has been shit or short. The truth is, most governments only plan for adequately for the last crisis, not the next one. "

That’s alright then...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The disgusting practise by labour of sending British troops out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds was rightly condemned..

And yet this is deflected, yawned at, used to ask 'what are you doing in this crisis' against those raising it..

Fucks sake, they downgraded their own rating for covid 19 which meant NHS staff were in contact with people carrying or showing symptoms of it because they knew they had not prepared as they were told to..

Some of the NHS staff now dead from being in contact with the virus would probably be alive if they had the same level of ppe that they should have had if the government not changed the guidance to hide the fact that they made the decision they did..

If we truly are at a point where some are excusing this or deflecting it then that's a real problem for us as members of this society..

What a lot of you don’t seem to understand is that it’s not about the message, it’s about the way it’s delivered. That’s what gets people backs up. "

Being told to shut up ain't great either

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

OK back to the OP please

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"OK, this is not the political section. If you want to argue politics start a thread in the right section but stop bringing it into the virus section/ threads."

The way the virus is dealt with is political.

I appreciate you're trying to keep politics out of the rest of the forum, but when you have a section dedicated to a huge current affairs issue, expecting people to not talk about/criticise the way it's being dealt with is not reasonable.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"The disgusting practise by labour of sending British troops out in soft skinned vehicles to face ieds was rightly condemned..

And yet this is deflected, yawned at, used to ask 'what are you doing in this crisis' against those raising it..

Fucks sake, they downgraded their own rating for covid 19 which meant NHS staff were in contact with people carrying or showing symptoms of it because they knew they had not prepared as they were told to..

Some of the NHS staff now dead from being in contact with the virus would probably be alive if they had the same level of ppe that they should have had if the government not changed the guidance to hide the fact that they made the decision they did..

If we truly are at a point where some are excusing this or deflecting it then that's a real problem for us as members of this society..

What a lot of you don’t seem to understand is that it’s not about the message, it’s about the way it’s delivered. That’s what gets people backs up. "

Is that why you start to bring personal stuff into the debate?

It really has no place, it's the classic I don't know so I'll have a dig and try and deflect..

And part of the time the assumptions you make such as yesterday on a topic which was pulled as I was responding to your assumptions about myself were wrong..

Whilst not assuming I'm referring to yourself it may not be easy I grant you for anyone to look at what they think is the norm, that their party in government will be better, less incompetent and duplicitous, more trustworthy and more caring than the other lot..

And the penny to drop that it's bollocks..

And when that's shown its easier to chuck verbal brickbats at those rightly raising valid concerns..

And if its not the 'right time' to highlight that this government have put the very peoples lives at greater risk than necessary because they fucked up then there is no time because those increased risks are there today for the people who the PM was so thankful for in his praise two weeks ago..

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"OK, this is not the political section. If you want to argue politics start a thread in the right section but stop bringing it into the virus section/ threads.

The way the virus is dealt with is political.

I appreciate you're trying to keep politics out of the rest of the forum, but when you have a section dedicated to a huge current affairs issue, expecting people to not talk about/criticise the way it's being dealt with is not reasonable. "

See my next post after that one which clarified what was being asked for any people who didn't understand

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

I don’t think it was a very balanced programme.

It’s ok to investigate and present what you think you have found.

Not showing a response to your findings from a government representative just makes it look like a witch hunt .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don’t think it was a very balanced programme.

It’s ok to investigate and present what you think you have found.

Not showing a response to your findings from a government representative just makes it look like a witch hunt .

"

But don't they get to respond in the media? Nick Ferrari had Matt Hancock on today and asked him about it

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By *ister.mrMan
over a year ago

birmingham

Cant complain about how the government is handling this crisis,seem to know more about it than me ,with all the scientific evidence presented to them they surely must be making the right decisions for queen and country,its unpresedented.So i will leave it to them ,follow their instructions and go look at some porn lol

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"I don’t think it was a very balanced programme.

It’s ok to investigate and present what you think you have found.

Not showing a response to your findings from a government representative just makes it look like a witch hunt .

"

Didnt they decline to comment?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I don’t think it was a very balanced programme.

It’s ok to investigate and present what you think you have found.

Not showing a response to your findings from a government representative just makes it look like a witch hunt .

"

What was the actual response?

If it addressed the salient and worrying points raised then yes it should be included..

But I'd it's just as the ministers thus far trotted out clichéd claims of doing our best, difficult times then it's not worthy of air time..

By now I would think the government are working on a point by point response/rebuttal of the programme..

It'll be telling how that is because a lot of what's come out thus far they will want to push into the long grass..

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool

Its always reassuring to know we have such an enlightened electorate.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"I don’t think it was a very balanced programme.

It’s ok to investigate and present what you think you have found.

Not showing a response to your findings from a government representative just makes it look like a witch hunt .

What was the actual response?

If it addressed the salient and worrying points raised then yes it should be included..

But I'd it's just as the ministers thus far trotted out clichéd claims of doing our best, difficult times then it's not worthy of air time..

By now I would think the government are working on a point by point response/rebuttal of the programme..

It'll be telling how that is because a lot of what's come out thus far they will want to push into the long grass.. "

I hope there will be an opportunity for a response from the NHS and government to the programme.

The programme simply laid out what they think they have uncovered.

There has to be balance for the viewer to be able to form a considered opinion .

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"I don’t think it was a very balanced programme.

It’s ok to investigate and present what you think you have found.

Not showing a response to your findings from a government representative just makes it look like a witch hunt .

What was the actual response?

If it addressed the salient and worrying points raised then yes it should be included..

But I'd it's just as the ministers thus far trotted out clichéd claims of doing our best, difficult times then it's not worthy of air time..

By now I would think the government are working on a point by point response/rebuttal of the programme..

It'll be telling how that is because a lot of what's come out thus far they will want to push into the long grass..

I hope there will be an opportunity for a response from the NHS and government to the programme.

The programme simply laid out what they think they have uncovered.

There has to be balance for the viewer to be able to form a considered opinion ."

There was 1 bit where they asked for clarification on levels of ppe and they declined to comment.

I'd be surprised if the bbc didn't ask for some sort of response in the current climate.

They will give it a few days to let it blow over and then go on sooty or something and dismiss it.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"I hope there will be an opportunity for a response from the NHS and government to the programme.

The programme simply laid out what they think they have uncovered.

There has to be balance for the viewer to be able to form a considered opinion ."

You could always ask your MP to pressure the govenment to publish the Cygnus report. Answers to questions have been put to paper, we're just not allowed to read them.

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By *eneral HysteriaMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think Matt Hancock has been ok too. I won't blame him if the 100,000 tests are not reached. Not his fault if there isn't the capacity. Probably a mistake stating the number though

So who is to blame then if not the man in charge?I don't think you can blame personally him for years of cuts and underfunding of lab capacity."

But he is in charge of it, and he made the pledge. So why should he not be blamed? If he knew he was never going to be able to hit the target why did he make the pledge in the first place? Did he tell a barefaced lie just to make it sound as though he was doing something?

If he didn't know that he couldn't meet the target he proposed then surely he should've found out what he could've achieved before making promises?

We spend far too much time in this country letting the people in charge blame other people for their incompetence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think Matt Hancock has been ok too. I won't blame him if the 100,000 tests are not reached. Not his fault if there isn't the capacity. Probably a mistake stating the number though

So who is to blame then if not the man in charge?I don't think you can blame personally him for years of cuts and underfunding of lab capacity.

But he is in charge of it, and he made the pledge. So why should he not be blamed? If he knew he was never going to be able to hit the target why did he make the pledge in the first place? Did he tell a barefaced lie just to make it sound as though he was doing something?

If he didn't know that he couldn't meet the target he proposed then surely he should've found out what he could've achieved before making promises?

We spend far too much time in this country letting the people in charge blame other people for their incompetence."

Careful, you are making me defend the government here! As I said, the figure was not a good idea. The testing capacity is t his fault. How long has he had the job?

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA


"I think Matt Hancock has been ok too. I won't blame him if the 100,000 tests are not reached. Not his fault if there isn't the capacity. Probably a mistake stating the number though

So who is to blame then if not the man in charge?I don't think you can blame personally him for years of cuts and underfunding of lab capacity.

But he is in charge of it, and he made the pledge. So why should he not be blamed? If he knew he was never going to be able to hit the target why did he make the pledge in the first place? Did he tell a barefaced lie just to make it sound as though he was doing something?

If he didn't know that he couldn't meet the target he proposed then surely he should've found out what he could've achieved before making promises?

We spend far too much time in this country letting the people in charge blame other people for their incompetence."

A target is not a pledge and I think they will probably get there anyway, by hook or by.....

I don't really understand the fixation on 100k when we are not testing the quota we currently have. I think that is a bigger question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think Matt Hancock has been ok too. I won't blame him if the 100,000 tests are not reached. Not his fault if there isn't the capacity. Probably a mistake stating the number though

So who is to blame then if not the man in charge?

Genuine question - Why does there always have to be someone to blame?

Someting called accountability?you think if a

member of gmnt deliberately lies to the public and media it should just be ignored?

There is a huge difference between lying and failing to meet a prediction. I feel sure when he said 100000 he thought it was feasible and I don’t doubt the relevant people are doing what they can to get there.

"

They've sent out a message to all hospitals insisting that they test every patient for Covid 19, symptomatic or not, they had previously said that only symptomatic people should be tested. They are in fact still saying that only symptomatic front line workers should be tested. Why such a change of advice do you think? Could it perhaps be be so they can meet their self declared target?

I absolutely agree with people being held to account rather than blamed but when you have people like Hancock lying about PPE numbers and including paper towels and bin bags in the total then I think we've gone way past the stage of accountability and into the realms of disciplinary action.

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over a year ago


"Careful, you are making me defend the government here! As I said, the figure was not a good idea. The testing capacity is t his fault. How long has he had the job? "

So why did he come out with the figure in the first place? Surely he knew about the capacity issues.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


". But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

It's the government's job to manage a crisis like this. It's not the responsibility of an individual citizen, and suggesting you have to be taking practical action yourself before you can criticise is nonsense. Is that what you did before all this? Any time you wanted to criticise the government you made sure you did something practical on the issue yourself? I'm sceptical.

Though if you insist, one practical thing people can do is allow others to be upset, angry, or worried without condescending comments like this.

This 'be quiet, be a good little citizen and don't rock the boat' attitude is nauseating.

"

It’s the oppositions job to whine at the government, we all do it but it’s not actually constructive is it? we can all do practical things to help , looking out for vulnerable people, supporting the NHS, fundraising etc. When this is all over and you’re telling stories to grandkids - what do you want to be saying ? You say around wanking, watching Netflix and whining on forums? Or you helped save lives. ?

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over a year ago


"A target is not a pledge and I think they will probably get there anyway, by hook or by.....

I don't really understand the fixation on 100k when we are not testing the quota we currently have. I think that is a bigger question.

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Then why did he say it? If he knew that we couldn't do it then I can only think he came up with the number to placate those who said we weren't testing enough, and is a government that will say anything just to get people off their back really what we want?

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over a year ago


"Careful, you are making me defend the government here! As I said, the figure was not a good idea. The testing capacity is t his fault. How long has he had the job?

So why did he come out with the figure in the first place? Surely he knew about the capacity issues."

Probably pressure for one thing. He was probably advised that testing could be ramped up to that extent, but it hasn't been met. Still might be, looks doubtful

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over a year ago


"Probably pressure for one thing. He was probably advised that testing could be ramped up to that extent, but it hasn't been met. Still might be, looks doubtful "

I'm afraid I consider that to be a failure of character on his part then. He should not come up with figures and announce them when he has been advised they cannot be met.

It will inevitably, and rightly, lead to criticism down the line. Why not be truthful and explain why we can't test as many as we'd like rather than lie?

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


". But what do you expect people to do? What practical thing do you actually expect people to do? What are you doing other than typing words on a phone?

It's the government's job to manage a crisis like this. It's not the responsibility of an individual citizen, and suggesting you have to be taking practical action yourself before you can criticise is nonsense. Is that what you did before all this? Any time you wanted to criticise the government you made sure you did something practical on the issue yourself? I'm sceptical.

Though if you insist, one practical thing people can do is allow others to be upset, angry, or worried without condescending comments like this.

This 'be quiet, be a good little citizen and don't rock the boat' attitude is nauseating.

It’s the oppositions job to whine at the government, we all do it but it’s not actually constructive is it? we can all do practical things to help , looking out for vulnerable people, supporting the NHS, fundraising etc. When this is all over and you’re telling stories to grandkids - what do you want to be saying ? You say around wanking, watching Netflix and whining on forums? Or you helped save lives. ? "

Cant you do both?

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over a year ago


"Probably pressure for one thing. He was probably advised that testing could be ramped up to that extent, but it hasn't been met. Still might be, looks doubtful

I'm afraid I consider that to be a failure of character on his part then. He should not come up with figures and announce them when he has been advised they cannot be met.

It will inevitably, and rightly, lead to criticism down the line. Why not be truthful and explain why we can't test as many as we'd like rather than lie?"

Your guess is as good as mine. I dare say he will be pressured to go. Be interesting if Boris stands by him. If I were Hancock, looking at Boris's past form, I'd not be confident.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Probably pressure for one thing. He was probably advised that testing could be ramped up to that extent, but it hasn't been met. Still might be, looks doubtful

I'm afraid I consider that to be a failure of character on his part then. He should not come up with figures and announce them when he has been advised they cannot be met.

It will inevitably, and rightly, lead to criticism down the line. Why not be truthful and explain why we can't test as many as we'd like rather than lie?

Your guess is as good as mine. I dare say he will be pressured to go. Be interesting if Boris stands by him. If I were Hancock, looking at Boris's past form, I'd not be confident."

I think he could possibly be the fall guy.

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over a year ago


"Your guess is as good as mine. I dare say he will be pressured to go. Be interesting if Boris stands by him. If I were Hancock, looking at Boris's past form, I'd not be confident."

I have absolutely no doubt he'll be hung out to dry but half the cabinet have done things that 20 years ago would've meant the end of their political careers and they are still around. If he goes he will be quietly brought back into the fold in 6 months.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Watch it tonight.

It will be on I player."

Why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Your guess is as good as mine. I dare say he will be pressured to go. Be interesting if Boris stands by him. If I were Hancock, looking at Boris's past form, I'd not be confident.

I have absolutely no doubt he'll be hung out to dry but half the cabinet have done things that 20 years ago would've meant the end of their political careers and they are still around. If he goes he will be quietly brought back into the fold in 6 months."

Yep, I think you are right. I think there is lack of talent in the Tory party, hence the recycling

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Watch it tonight.

It will be on I player.

Why?"

Why what?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/tv/piers-morgan-accuses-clueless-minister-18161409

Piers Morgan and minister Victoria Atkins interview.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

I really don’t think Piers Morgan has anything to be proud of in the way he dealt with the Minister, especially when you consider what she was actually there to highlight

This isn’t scrutiny

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By *nto My ArmsMan
over a year ago

Herts/London

I just bought 200 items of bathroom equipment.

Anyone who calls it a toilet roll is wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe sometimes...when the government fail to reply to serious matters ...

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"I just bought 200 items of bathroom equipment.

Anyone who calls it a toilet roll is wrong. "

If that's quilted then it's not PPE, it's a luxury item.

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

Oh dear, looks like whatever credibility this programme had has now been lost

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"Oh dear, looks like whatever credibility this programme had has now been lost"
Why?

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire


"Oh dear, looks like whatever credibility this programme had has now been lostWhy?"

Turns out every one who was interviewed is a Labour activist. I’m not saying there isn’t a valid argument but when it’s propaganda dressed up as journalism it loses impact

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Oh dear, looks like whatever credibility this programme had has now been lostWhy?

Turns out every one who was interviewed is a Labour activist. I’m not saying there isn’t a valid argument but when it’s propaganda dressed up as journalism it loses impact"

Outstanding.

Yep credibility in tatters now

Where did you read this exactly?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Oh dear, looks like whatever credibility this programme had has now been lostWhy?

Turns out every one who was interviewed is a Labour activist. I’m not saying there isn’t a valid argument but when it’s propaganda dressed up as journalism it loses impact"

Source?

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool

One of the nurses who spoke actually said she was in the trade union as others were scared of speaking out.They had actually been 'advised'not too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh dear, looks like whatever credibility this programme had has now been lostWhy?

Turns out every one who was interviewed is a Labour activist. I’m not saying there isn’t a valid argument but when it’s propaganda dressed up as journalism it loses impact"

They've got to discredit the findings somehow, now haven't they.

If what was said in the programme was the truth then it really doesn't matter what anyone's political affiliations are, and as many of the accusations were already in the public domain then the credibility of the programme has not been lost, however much the government wishes it had.

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire


"Oh dear, looks like whatever credibility this programme had has now been lostWhy?

Turns out every one who was interviewed is a Labour activist. I’m not saying there isn’t a valid argument but when it’s propaganda dressed up as journalism it loses impact

Source? "

It’s all over Twitter, with links to their previous exploits. I did wonder why nobody from the Army were asked to comment, but then remembered they were critical of procurement and logistics so that didn’t fit the agenda.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't know if the program was telling the truth or not, that's the point we watched Brexit and seen them push they version on us without the other sides having a say. Now the virus so I wait till its over before I believe what they are saying.

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By *ungscotsman26Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I've not read the full forum as frankly some of the comments are just nasty and personal...

But on the original topic I watched panorama last night and it's quite shocking that the government downgraded the threat of Corona virus and the way PPE has been handled.

After the dust settles people need to be held accountable. Poor NHS staff out trying to save lives not being protected and dying as a result. Disgraceful to be honest.

Remembered at the next election

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool

And it suddenly becomes clear why the gmnt didnt respond straight away.Give them a day or too to dig up some 'dirt' (union member=labour activist)and discredit the source.

And people actually think when all this is over the nhs will be treated with respect.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Oh dear, looks like whatever credibility this programme had has now been lostWhy?

Turns out every one who was interviewed is a Labour activist. I’m not saying there isn’t a valid argument but when it’s propaganda dressed up as journalism it loses impact

Source?

It’s all over Twitter, with links to their previous exploits. I did wonder why nobody from the Army were asked to comment, but then remembered they were critical of procurement and logistics so that didn’t fit the agenda. "

It's all over Twitter.

Its gets better and better.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"Oh dear, looks like whatever credibility this programme had has now been lostWhy?

Turns out every one who was interviewed is a Labour activist. I’m not saying there isn’t a valid argument but when it’s propaganda dressed up as journalism it loses impact"

And which details of the report does that make untrue? The counting of a pair of gloves as 2 items of PPE, the counting of hand towels as PPE, downgrading of the virus to meet the PPE stock available?

It's like when BBCQT get Prof John Ashton or Dr Rachel Clarke and they are critical. Some discount their opinions because of their political views, but where are the medical professionals who support the government? They are all very quiet. There must be at least 1 tory doctor who wants to step forward, no?

Prof Ashton told us this mess was coming over a month ago but got shouted down. Everything he predicted has come true.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I'm calling BS deflection..

Ooh twitter, wonder if the same people involved in the bollocks where NHS workers were on twitter saying yes all is great with PPE and when some if the actual NHS staff pointed out that there pictures were being used with fictitious names all of a sudden 130 such accounts were deleted at the very same time..

Rats stink..

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire


"Don't know if the program was telling the truth or not, that's the point we watched Brexit and seen them push they version on us without the other sides having a say. Now the virus so I wait till its over before I believe what they are saying. "

Precisely

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool

I particular like the phrase..their previous exploits.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"Oh dear, looks like whatever credibility this programme had has now been lostWhy?

Turns out every one who was interviewed is a Labour activist. I’m not saying there isn’t a valid argument but when it’s propaganda dressed up as journalism it loses impact"

Did you mention John Ashton?

I mentioned earlier... not a very balanced programme.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Don't know if the program was telling the truth or not, that's the point we watched Brexit and seen them push they version on us without the other sides having a say. Now the virus so I wait till its over before I believe what they are saying.

Precisely "

You'll be wanting it swept under the carpet is what you really mean..

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Don't know if the program was telling the truth or not, that's the point we watched Brexit and seen them push they version on us without the other sides having a say. Now the virus so I wait till its over before I believe what they are saying. "

I stopped reading at the line..I dont know if the programme was telling the truth or not x

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool

Dunno why I out a kiss there

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"And it suddenly becomes clear why the gmnt didnt respond straight away.Give them a day or too to dig up some 'dirt' (union member=labour activist)and discredit the source.

And people actually think when all this is over the nhs will be treated with respect."

Funny that there's been no official rebuttal but people are happy to believe what someone on twitter says..

Classic cummings, muddy the waters..

So far the government have not responded which is interested given they were out of the traps like grey hounds over the Telegraph reporting..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And it suddenly becomes clear why the gmnt didnt respond straight away.Give them a day or too to dig up some 'dirt' (union member=labour activist)and discredit the source.

And people actually think when all this is over the nhs will be treated with respect.

Funny that there's been no official rebuttal but people are happy to believe what someone on twitter says..

Classic cummings, muddy the waters..

So far the government have not responded which is interested given they were out of the traps like grey hounds over the Telegraph reporting..? "

Briefing is on now...I hope the press ask the right question, but I doubt it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite why it would be a shock that caring, empathetic, intelligent people who devote their lives to looking after others aren't Tories is beyond me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Classic cummings, muddy the waters"

Populist propaganda, going all the way back to the Nazis, has never been about being about getting people to believe the lies but about getting people not to believe the truth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't know if the program was telling the truth or not, that's the point we watched Brexit and seen them push they version on us without the other sides having a say. Now the virus so I wait till its over before I believe what they are saying.

I stopped reading at the line..I dont know if the programme was telling the truth or not x"
I read most of your quotes and your very anti government, yes mistakes was made but the way it's put out only Britain fucked up. News flash now there's a joke, we have more capacity and ppe than most countries but MSN won't tell you that, what say something positive now that's news.

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire


"Oh dear, looks like whatever credibility this programme had has now been lostWhy?

Turns out every one who was interviewed is a Labour activist. I’m not saying there isn’t a valid argument but when it’s propaganda dressed up as journalism it loses impact"

You’ve missed my point entirely - when a serious current affairs programme only interviews those with long standing axes to grind it can only be a biased view

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

PMQs will be interesting tomorrow. And not just for Keir Starmer's line on all this. He should be like junior minister sent out to the media on breakfast tv for the whole 30 minutes.

How many of Johnson's backbenchers will ask "Does my Rt Hon friend agree that he's awesome?". Even Peter Bone turned on government policy last week.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"Oh dear, looks like whatever credibility this programme had has now been lostWhy?

Turns out every one who was interviewed is a Labour activist. I’m not saying there isn’t a valid argument but when it’s propaganda dressed up as journalism it loses impact

You’ve missed my point entirely - when a serious current affairs programme only interviews those with long standing axes to grind it can only be a biased view"

This has been 2 months now and I don't recall a single heathcare professional saying anything positive beyond the 4 or 5 who do the daily briefings. Last week the twitter bots had to fake supportive NHS accounts.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Oh dear, looks like whatever credibility this programme had has now been lostWhy?

Turns out every one who was interviewed is a Labour activist. I’m not saying there isn’t a valid argument but when it’s propaganda dressed up as journalism it loses impact

You’ve missed my point entirely - when a serious current affairs programme only interviews those with long standing axes to grind it can only be a biased view"

Because the modern equivalent of a bloke down the pub told you that does not make it so and yes that can apply to what panorama said last night which the government have not yet responded to..

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool

Being a member of a union=long axe to grind

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"Quite why it would be a shock that caring, empathetic, intelligent people who devote their lives to looking after others aren't Tories is beyond me."

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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Labour MP Wes Streeting, responding to a question of whether it was ok to only use 4 pro-Labour activists for interview answered, “No, I think that’s a legitimate question/criticism to put to the BBC”

That’s not to say the opinions they expressed are wrong, but it does call in to question the credibility of the findings of the programme if they only interviewed 1 set of people all with one political view point.

Not very balanced reporting .

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Labour MP Wes Streeting, responding to a question of whether it was ok to only use 4 pro-Labour activists for interview answered, “No, I think that’s a legitimate question/criticism to put to the BBC”

That’s not to say the opinions they expressed are wrong, but it does call in to question the credibility of the findings of the programme if they only interviewed 1 set of people all with one political view point.

Not very balanced reporting .

"

So before they interviewed anyone..they should have asked them who they voted for?

If it was labour..their opinion was invalidated?

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool

A quick Google search of wes streetam..with friend like that who needs enemies?

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over a year ago


"Labour MP Wes Streeting, responding to a question of whether it was ok to only use 4 pro-Labour activists for interview answered, “No, I think that’s a legitimate question/criticism to put to the BBC”

That’s not to say the opinions they expressed are wrong, but it does call in to question the credibility of the findings of the programme if they only interviewed 1 set of people all with one political view point.

Not very balanced reporting .

"

Given that more than 70% of doctors describe themselves as left wing or liberal and that only 6% of nurses planned to vote Conservative at the last election it is hardly surprising that when you interview NHS staff they aren't Tories.

When you work in a sector that has been constantly attacked by the Conservatives you tend not to support them.

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By *typical guyMan
over a year ago

wigan


"Labour MP Wes Streeting, responding to a question of whether it was ok to only use 4 pro-Labour activists for interview answered, “No, I think that’s a legitimate question/criticism to put to the BBC”

That’s not to say the opinions they expressed are wrong, but it does call in to question the credibility of the findings of the programme if they only interviewed 1 set of people all with one political view point.

Not very balanced reporting .

So before they interviewed anyone..they should have asked them who they voted for?

If it was labour..their opinion was invalidated?"

The implication is that they did ask, or at least knew their political persuasion and were chosen accordingly.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Labour MP Wes Streeting, responding to a question of whether it was ok to only use 4 pro-Labour activists for interview answered, “No, I think that’s a legitimate question/criticism to put to the BBC”

That’s not to say the opinions they expressed are wrong, but it does call in to question the credibility of the findings of the programme if they only interviewed 1 set of people all with one political view point.

Not very balanced reporting .

So before they interviewed anyone..they should have asked them who they voted for?

If it was labour..their opinion was invalidated?

The implication is that they did ask, or at least knew their political persuasion and were chosen accordingly."

You have proof of this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Labour MP Wes Streeting, responding to a question of whether it was ok to only use 4 pro-Labour activists for interview answered, “No, I think that’s a legitimate question/criticism to put to the BBC”

That’s not to say the opinions they expressed are wrong, but it does call in to question the credibility of the findings of the programme if they only interviewed 1 set of people all with one political view point.

Not very balanced reporting .

So before they interviewed anyone..they should have asked them who they voted for?

If it was labour..their opinion was invalidated?

The implication is that they did ask, or at least knew their political persuasion and were chosen accordingly."

The vast majority of NHS staff do not vote Conservative, and you'd struggle to find any that are supportive of the way the government has handled Covid 19.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A quick Google search of wes streetam..with friend like that who needs enemies?"

I remember him after the last election ...giving off about losing it saying "I didn't join labour to fight austerity "

Bout says it all eh.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool

The lengths some people will go to..to defend them is actually comical.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Labour MP Wes Streeting, responding to a question of whether it was ok to only use 4 pro-Labour activists for interview answered, “No, I think that’s a legitimate question/criticism to put to the BBC”

That’s not to say the opinions they expressed are wrong, but it does call in to question the credibility of the findings of the programme if they only interviewed 1 set of people all with one political view point.

Not very balanced reporting .

Given that more than 70% of doctors describe themselves as left wing or liberal and that only 6% of nurses planned to vote Conservative at the last election it is hardly surprising that when you interview NHS staff they aren't Tories.

When you work in a sector that has been constantly attacked by the Conservatives you tend not to support them."

This is a fair point.

The claims the programme make may not be incorrect, however they have to be looked upon differently if those interviewed are pre-selected for their strong political persuasion.

It’s fair to say not every Labour voter is a party member and recognised activist.

Also bear in mind the expert they used for large portions of the programme is also a very vocal Labour Party member and activist.

If the views and findings are a true then it wouldn’t be difficult to find and use a group of people who do not have such strong political connections.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Labour MP Wes Streeting, responding to a question of whether it was ok to only use 4 pro-Labour activists for interview answered, “No, I think that’s a legitimate question/criticism to put to the BBC”

That’s not to say the opinions they expressed are wrong, but it does call in to question the credibility of the findings of the programme if they only interviewed 1 set of people all with one political view point.

Not very balanced reporting .

So before they interviewed anyone..they should have asked them who they voted for?

If it was labour..their opinion was invalidated?

The implication is that they did ask, or at least knew their political persuasion and were chosen accordingly.

The vast majority of NHS staff do not vote Conservative, and you'd struggle to find any that are supportive of the way the government has handled Covid 19."

Funny I know four nhs staff well enough to discuss politics and they all voted conservative at the last election and they understand how and why the government has responded in the way it has and support it. Now I'm sure you know all the other 1.5 million nhs staff personally and how they voted

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool

Panorama to nurse..who did you vote for?

Nurse the liberals

Next

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Panorama to nurse..who did you vote for?

Nurse the liberals

Next"

Are you Diane Abbott in disguise? yesterday you claimed the nhs budget was 4 billion today one nurse voting liberal means they all did in your world

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Panorama to nurse..who did you vote for?

Nurse the liberals

Next

Are you Diane Abbott in disguise? yesterday you claimed the nhs budget was 4 billion today one nurse voting liberal means they all did in your world

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Spectactually missing my point.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Would you accept a non bias viewpoint from the same number of Tory activists?

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over a year ago


"Labour MP Wes Streeting, responding to a question of whether it was ok to only use 4 pro-Labour activists for interview answered, “No, I think that’s a legitimate question/criticism to put to the BBC”

That’s not to say the opinions they expressed are wrong, but it does call in to question the credibility of the findings of the programme if they only interviewed 1 set of people all with one political view point.

Not very balanced reporting .

So before they interviewed anyone..they should have asked them who they voted for?

If it was labour..their opinion was invalidated?

The implication is that they did ask, or at least knew their political persuasion and were chosen accordingly.

The vast majority of NHS staff do not vote Conservative, and you'd struggle to find any that are supportive of the way the government has handled Covid 19.

Funny I know four nhs staff well enough to discuss politics and they all voted conservative at the last election and they understand how and why the government has responded in the way it has and support it. Now I'm sure you know all the other 1.5 million nhs staff personally and how they voted "

So you've been spending the lock down having discussions with NHS staff about how they voted and whether they support the government in how they are dealing with Covid 19?

Does anyone else smell anything?

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By *typical guyMan
over a year ago

wigan


"Labour MP Wes Streeting, responding to a question of whether it was ok to only use 4 pro-Labour activists for interview answered, “No, I think that’s a legitimate question/criticism to put to the BBC”

That’s not to say the opinions they expressed are wrong, but it does call in to question the credibility of the findings of the programme if they only interviewed 1 set of people all with one political view point.

Not very balanced reporting .

So before they interviewed anyone..they should have asked them who they voted for?

If it was labour..their opinion was invalidated?

The implication is that they did ask, or at least knew their political persuasion and were chosen accordingly.

You have proof of this?"

Can you prove they didn't? I was mearly pointing out the flaws in your understanding of the point.

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire


"Being a member of a union=long axe to grind "

Spectacularly missing my point...touché

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Labour MP Wes Streeting, responding to a question of whether it was ok to only use 4 pro-Labour activists for interview answered, “No, I think that’s a legitimate question/criticism to put to the BBC”

That’s not to say the opinions they expressed are wrong, but it does call in to question the credibility of the findings of the programme if they only interviewed 1 set of people all with one political view point.

Not very balanced reporting .

So before they interviewed anyone..they should have asked them who they voted for?

If it was labour..their opinion was invalidated?

The implication is that they did ask, or at least knew their political persuasion and were chosen accordingly.

You have proof of this?

Can you prove they didn't? I was mearly pointing out the flaws in your understanding of the point. "

No..you made the suggestion they were chosen because of their political persuasion.The onus of proof is on you I believe.

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Being a member of a union=long axe to grind

Spectacularly missing my point...touché "

Your exact words..long axe to grind..you know this how?

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By *typical guyMan
over a year ago

wigan


"Labour MP Wes Streeting, responding to a question of whether it was ok to only use 4 pro-Labour activists for interview answered, “No, I think that’s a legitimate question/criticism to put to the BBC”

That’s not to say the opinions they expressed are wrong, but it does call in to question the credibility of the findings of the programme if they only interviewed 1 set of people all with one political view point.

Not very balanced reporting .

So before they interviewed anyone..they should have asked them who they voted for?

If it was labour..their opinion was invalidated?

The implication is that they did ask, or at least knew their political persuasion and were chosen accordingly.

You have proof of this?

Can you prove they didn't? I was mearly pointing out the flaws in your understanding of the point.

No..you made the suggestion they were chosen because of their political persuasion.The onus of proof is on you I believe."

I didnt make the suggestion, I pointed out that you didnt understand what someone else had suggested. Keep up, and try to keep on point.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

It's time like these, when we need ITV to bring back World In Action, proper telly and a banging theme tune.

This wouldn't be the Beeb's POV, so a different angle would always be welcome.

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire


"Being a member of a union=long axe to grind

Spectacularly missing my point...touché

Your exact words..long axe to grind..you know this how?"

My exact words were that the programme was losing its credibility but you chose to ignore that and pick up on me highlighting those interviewed having axes to grind. I was merely scrutinising the standard of journalism...which I know you’re all for.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

And still no official rebuttal of the salient points raised..?

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By *typical guyMan
over a year ago

wigan


"Would you accept a non bias viewpoint from the same number of Tory activists? "

Good point. The militants here do not hesitate to call bullshit on anything that is said/written but quick to ask for proof when any of their points are questioned.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"And still no official rebuttal of the salient points raised..?

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Mr Hancock did refer to it in today’s briefing, but no response to the actual claims of the programme ...

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Labour MP Wes Streeting, responding to a question of whether it was ok to only use 4 pro-Labour activists for interview answered, “No, I think that’s a legitimate question/criticism to put to the BBC”

That’s not to say the opinions they expressed are wrong, but it does call in to question the credibility of the findings of the programme if they only interviewed 1 set of people all with one political view point.

Not very balanced reporting .

So before they interviewed anyone..they should have asked them who they voted for?

If it was labour..their opinion was invalidated?

The implication is that they did ask, or at least knew their political persuasion and were chosen accordingly.

The vast majority of NHS staff do not vote Conservative, and you'd struggle to find any that are supportive of the way the government has handled Covid 19.

Funny I know four nhs staff well enough to discuss politics and they all voted conservative at the last election and they understand how and why the government has responded in the way it has and support it. Now I'm sure you know all the other 1.5 million nhs staff personally and how they voted

So you've been spending the lock down having discussions with NHS staff about how they voted and whether they support the government in how they are dealing with Covid 19?

Does anyone else smell anything?"

No I'm married to one and two of the others are her friends who we go skiing with and one is a daughter of one. The daughter has had the virus and possibly her mum too.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Labour MP Wes Streeting, responding to a question of whether it was ok to only use 4 pro-Labour activists for interview answered, “No, I think that’s a legitimate question/criticism to put to the BBC”

That’s not to say the opinions they expressed are wrong, but it does call in to question the credibility of the findings of the programme if they only interviewed 1 set of people all with one political view point.

Not very balanced reporting .

So before they interviewed anyone..they should have asked them who they voted for?

If it was labour..their opinion was invalidated?

The implication is that they did ask, or at least knew their political persuasion and were chosen accordingly.

The vast majority of NHS staff do not vote Conservative, and you'd struggle to find any that are supportive of the way the government has handled Covid 19.

Funny I know four nhs staff well enough to discuss politics and they all voted conservative at the last election and they understand how and why the government has responded in the way it has and support it. Now I'm sure you know all the other 1.5 million nhs staff personally and how they voted

So you've been spending the lock down having discussions with NHS staff about how they voted and whether they support the government in how they are dealing with Covid 19?

Does anyone else smell anything?

No I'm married to one and two of the others are her friends who we go skiing with and one is a daughter of one. The daughter has had the virus and possibly her mum too.

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Are they OK?

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By *alecumguyMan
over a year ago

Cowbridge

So?? Typical BBC bias and to think we fund it!

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over a year ago


"So?? Typical BBC bias and to think we fund it! "

'yes, bring down the BBC, it's too left wing, no, it's too right wing...oh I dunno. It just doesn't agree with me all the time....'

Great days

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"So?? Typical BBC bias and to think we fund it! "

Based on twitter?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

4 Labour Party activists and a labour activist expert...

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/exclusive-top-public-health-expert-compared-zionists-to-nazis-1.499275

Balanced journalism BBC Panorama ?

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"Being a member of a union=long axe to grind

Spectacularly missing my point...touché

Your exact words..long axe to grind..you know this how?

My exact words were that the programme was losing its credibility but you chose to ignore that and pick up on me highlighting those interviewed having axes to grind. I was merely scrutinising the standard of journalism...which I know you’re all for."

So has anyone actually provided evidence that all the nurses and doctors on The show were rabid communists yet?

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"4 Labour Party activists and a labour activist expert...

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/exclusive-top-public-health-expert-compared-zionists-to-nazis-1.499275

Balanced journalism BBC Panorama ?"

You are seriously bringing anti semitism into it?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"So?? Typical BBC bias and to think we fund it!

'yes, bring down the BBC, it's too left wing, no, it's too right wing...oh I dunno. It just doesn't agree with me all the time....'

Great days"

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"Crap programme so negative"

Nice double negative

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By *ister.mrMan
over a year ago

birmingham

No we just seen you spouting off your political crap during a global pandemic,as if you got all the answers ,are you from some sect or something

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By *ionelhutz OP   Man
over a year ago

liverpool


"No we just seen you spouting off your political crap during a global pandemic,as if you got all the answers ,are you from some sect or something "

So you havent seen it?

Next?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Labour MP Wes Streeting, responding to a question of whether it was ok to only use 4 pro-Labour activists for interview answered, “No, I think that’s a legitimate question/criticism to put to the BBC”

That’s not to say the opinions they expressed are wrong, but it does call in to question the credibility of the findings of the programme if they only interviewed 1 set of people all with one political view point.

Not very balanced reporting .

So before they interviewed anyone..they should have asked them who they voted for?

If it was labour..their opinion was invalidated?

The implication is that they did ask, or at least knew their political persuasion and were chosen accordingly.

The vast majority of NHS staff do not vote Conservative, and you'd struggle to find any that are supportive of the way the government has handled Covid 19.

Funny I know four nhs staff well enough to discuss politics and they all voted conservative at the last election and they understand how and why the government has responded in the way it has and support it. Now I'm sure you know all the other 1.5 million nhs staff personally and how they voted

So you've been spending the lock down having discussions with NHS staff about how they voted and whether they support the government in how they are dealing with Covid 19?

Does anyone else smell anything?

No I'm married to one and two of the others are her friends who we go skiing with and one is a daughter of one. The daughter has had the virus and possibly her mum too.

Are they OK?

"

Yes thanks, the daughter was rough for a few days but is back at work, her mum had vague symptoms as did we a few days after skiing with us in the area of France where it started, but could have been anything. A friend of another of K friends is an ICU nurse in a kids hospital and her friend also picked it up in France the week before lockdown there, mild symptoms and both back at work.

We know around 20 at least who have either been tested positve as nhs or been told by nhs111 they probably have had it, one older friend of mine picked it up while in hospital passed away a week or so ago but had a lot of health issues

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