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"I'm Carrer and to be quite honest this subject is starting to wind me up how about instead of meaningless gestures the government step up and support carrers looking after disabled relatives at a far reduced rate taking alot of stress of the system. "Let's see if anything meaningful is done when all this is over. | |||
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"When a significant number of the NHS staff come out and say enough is enough I'll continue to ignore those saying it's virtue signalling." Me too  | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. " 
I'd go further and say it's a disincentive to front line NHS/care workers being more militant about the awful conditions they work in for fear of alienating the great British public who stand on their door steps clapping every Thursday night. | |||
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"I'm Carrer and to be quite honest this subject is starting to wind me up how about instead of meaningless gestures the government step up and support carrers looking after disabled relatives at a far reduced rate taking alot of stress of the system. "Although informal carers save the government money (although there are benefits for people with disabilities and their carers), once upon a time society would look after their own. You do see this still occur in Italian communities and Asian families. | |||
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"I'm Carrer and to be quite honest this subject is starting to wind me up how about instead of meaningless gestures the government step up and support carrers looking after disabled relatives at a far reduced rate taking alot of stress of the system.
Although informal carers save the government money (although there are benefits for people with disabilities and their carers), once upon a time society would look after their own. You do see this still occur in Italian communities and Asian families. ", we look after our own. I'm looking after my 90year old Dad and my recently widowed, disabled brother. I do it because I love them and want to look after them. I can get help from carers, but whilst I can do it, I will | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. " Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365. | |||
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"I'm Carrer and to be quite honest this subject is starting to wind me up how about instead of meaningless gestures the government step up and support carrers looking after disabled relatives at a far reduced rate taking alot of stress of the system.
Although informal carers save the government money (although there are benefits for people with disabilities and their carers), once upon a time society would look after their own. You do see this still occur in Italian communities and Asian families. ,
we look after our own. I'm looking after my 90year old Dad and my recently widowed, disabled brother. I do it because I love them and want to look after them. I can get help from carers, but whilst I can do it, I will " and the government is then left to cater for those who have nobody (if they don't fall through the net). | |||
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"I'm Carrer and to be quite honest this subject is starting to wind me up how about instead of meaningless gestures the government step up and support carrers looking after disabled relatives at a far reduced rate taking alot of stress of the system.
Although informal carers save the government money (although there are benefits for people with disabilities and their carers), once upon a time society would look after their own. You do see this still occur in Italian communities and Asian families. "I still think this happens tbf. And you have to go through hoops to get any type of help.Me mum looks after me dad who has dementia and hasnt been given any help. | |||
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"I'm Carrer and to be quite honest this subject is starting to wind me up how about instead of meaningless gestures the government step up and support carrers looking after disabled relatives at a far reduced rate taking alot of stress of the system.
Although informal carers save the government money (although there are benefits for people with disabilities and their carers), once upon a time society would look after their own. You do see this still occur in Italian communities and Asian families. ,
we look after our own. I'm looking after my 90year old Dad and my recently widowed, disabled brother. I do it because I love them and want to look after them. I can get help from carers, but whilst I can do it, I will
and the government is then left to cater for those who have nobody (if they don't fall through the net)."Exactly my thinking there may be a time when I can't cope with them both, then I will ask for help | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365." Imagine the scenario - excellent parents, supported their children in various ways especially emotionally - now only one left and needs some support (not medical and just a few days a week), shouldn't children want to do it? | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365." Spot on. Especially taking into account how much money they save the gmnt. | |||
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"I think the clapping should stop. As OP said. People need to show more respect all the time not just one day" , I would like to think we show respect all the time. My niece is an A&E doctor, she is happy for me to clap for her, so I will continue | |||
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"I think the clapping should stop. As OP said. People need to show more respect all the time not just one day" Someone was outed on Facebook yesterday for not coming out to clap. | |||
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"I'm Carrer and to be quite honest this subject is starting to wind me up how about instead of meaningless gestures the government step up and support carrers looking after disabled relatives at a far reduced rate taking alot of stress of the system.
Although informal carers save the government money (although there are benefits for people with disabilities and their carers), once upon a time society would look after their own. You do see this still occur in Italian communities and Asian families.
I still think this happens tbf.
And you have to go through hoops to get any type of help.Me mum looks after me dad who has dementia and hasnt been given any help."Social care isn't free (albeit assessment etc), medical care is. People may think it's a medical need when it's not (ie do they need hospitalising or a nursing home?). | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365. Imagine the scenario - excellent parents, supported their children in various ways especially emotionally - now only one left and needs some support (not medical and just a few days a week), shouldn't children want to do it? " Suppose it depends on the circumstances. If they have kids/work full time etc it can be hard. If you cant afford a care home you havent got much choice. | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365. Imagine the scenario - excellent parents, supported their children in various ways especially emotionally - now only one left and needs some support (not medical and just a few days a week), shouldn't children want to do it? " Exactly this. My parents looked after and supported me for 20 years, whilst I lived at home and beyond that when I fled the nest! It's a pleasure looking after my family | |||
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"I think the clapping should stop. As OP said. People need to show more respect all the time not just one day" Reread - the OP wants (more) money. | |||
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"I'm Carrer and to be quite honest this subject is starting to wind me up how about instead of meaningless gestures the government step up and support carrers looking after disabled relatives at a far reduced rate taking alot of stress of the system. "I'm still working f/t looking after disabled adults for minimum wage and my disabled son with me all the time I'm not working. Those of a slightly higher social strata, those not working ATM, have no f***ing idea. | |||
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"I think the clapping should stop. As OP said. People need to show more respect all the time not just one day, I would like to think we show respect all the time. My niece is an A&E doctor, she is happy for me to clap for her, so I will continue "I hope people still act like this once this is all over | |||
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"I think the clapping should stop. As OP said. People need to show more respect all the time not just one day Someone was outed on Facebook yesterday for not coming out to clap." Which is one reason I don't go on there... | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365. Spot on. Especially taking into account how much money they save the gmnt." The govt cannot pay for everything in life! The social bill would be endless. | |||
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"I think the clapping should stop. As OP said. People need to show more respect all the time not just one day, I would like to think we show respect all the time. My niece is an A&E doctor, she is happy for me to clap for her, so I will continue
I hope people still act like this once this is all over"Well I will be, others will have to do what's right for them | |||
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"Its turned into a weekly social event for my street... we plan for it and get dressed up for it. So for us its something to look forward to. We also do a dance on the street on a Sunday.. There will always be people that find something a good thing and others that dont. No one is forced to do it and it helps to keep some focused. " I'm usually working on a Thursday evening. Week before last I wasn't. Seems my lane doesn't bother with the clapping and I was eating my tea at 8 o'clock anyway. | |||
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"From an NHS worker, the sentiment was nice but since people started clapping for Boris, it's become redundant, plus people are gathering in crowds to clap, not observing social distancing, fucking morons. " I didn't clap for Boris and was nowhere near my neighbours | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365. Imagine the scenario - excellent parents, supported their children in various ways especially emotionally - now only one left and needs some support (not medical and just a few days a week), shouldn't children want to do it? Suppose it depends on the circumstances. If they have kids/work full time etc it can be hard. If you cant afford a care home you havent got much choice." Parents (not all hence my previous example of excellent parents) made sacrifices shouldn't their kids "pay" a little back? When I mentioned Italian and Asian families, the parent needing support would go and live with their children. | |||
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"The nhs is still open for business we are told....broken front tooth. No dentist...hardly walk on feet. Chiropodist redeployed....daughter suffers seriously with mental health and is really struggling...not been seen for over 6 weeks. The only person dealing with this is me and I'm supposed to be shielded..." Yep, not good...xx | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365. Imagine the scenario - excellent parents, supported their children in various ways especially emotionally - now only one left and needs some support (not medical and just a few days a week), shouldn't children want to do it? Suppose it depends on the circumstances. If they have kids/work full time etc it can be hard. If you cant afford a care home you havent got much choice. Parents (not all hence my previous example of excellent parents) made sacrifices shouldn't their kids "pay" a little back? When I mentioned Italian and Asian families, the parent needing support would go and live with their children. " That's more a cultural thing in italy. I think kids do 'pay back'their parents. I help out me mum and dad and millions do more than me(look at that post above) | |||
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"From an NHS worker, the sentiment was nice but since people started clapping for Boris, it's become redundant, plus people are gathering in crowds to clap, not observing social distancing, fucking morons. I didn't clap for Boris and was nowhere near my neighbours "Did anyone give him the clap? Wasn't me  | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365. Spot on. Especially taking into account how much money they save the gmnt. The govt cannot pay for everything in life! The social bill would be endless. " , Yes, we have to take responsibility for our own, in my view | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365. Imagine the scenario - excellent parents, supported their children in various ways especially emotionally - now only one left and needs some support (not medical and just a few days a week), shouldn't children want to do it? Suppose it depends on the circumstances. If they have kids/work full time etc it can be hard. If you cant afford a care home you havent got much choice. Parents (not all hence my previous example of excellent parents) made sacrifices shouldn't their kids "pay" a little back? When I mentioned Italian and Asian families, the parent needing support would go and live with their children. " , and often still do. We see that locally | |||
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"I agree with this ... once was a great gesture ... it’s now become the new virtue signalling craze ... second only to vilifying those who don’t go out every week on Facebook. " You could also argue that villifying those that do clap, and saying "I respect/support the nhs all the time, not just for a minute on Thursdays" is the next level of virtue signalling... | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365. Imagine the scenario - excellent parents, supported their children in various ways especially emotionally - now only one left and needs some support (not medical and just a few days a week), shouldn't children want to do it? Suppose it depends on the circumstances. If they have kids/work full time etc it can be hard. If you cant afford a care home you havent got much choice. Parents (not all hence my previous example of excellent parents) made sacrifices shouldn't their kids "pay" a little back? When I mentioned Italian and Asian families, the parent needing support would go and live with their children. That's more a cultural thing in italy. I think kids do 'pay back'their parents. I help out me mum and dad and millions do more than me(look at that post above) " Yes it is a cultural thing both for Italians and Asians. It was for us Brits a millions years ago  but now we want the govt to pay for everything.
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"From an NHS worker, the sentiment was nice but since people started clapping for Boris, it's become redundant, plus people are gathering in crowds to clap, not observing social distancing, fucking morons. I didn't clap for Boris and was nowhere near my neighbours
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365. Imagine the scenario - excellent parents, supported their children in various ways especially emotionally - now only one left and needs some support (not medical and just a few days a week), shouldn't children want to do it? Suppose it depends on the circumstances. If they have kids/work full time etc it can be hard. If you cant afford a care home you havent got much choice. Parents (not all hence my previous example of excellent parents) made sacrifices shouldn't their kids "pay" a little back? When I mentioned Italian and Asian families, the parent needing support would go and live with their children. , and often still do. We see that locally "I worked in the community (NHS) - I saw it a great deal. | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365. Spot on. Especially taking into account how much money they save the gmnt. The govt cannot pay for everything in life! The social bill would be endless. , Yes, we have to take responsibility for our own, in my view "If we don't then we have to see our NI contributions and tax rise in an "unprecedented" manner. Who hates that word?  | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365. Imagine the scenario - excellent parents, supported their children in various ways especially emotionally - now only one left and needs some support (not medical and just a few days a week), shouldn't children want to do it? Suppose it depends on the circumstances. If they have kids/work full time etc it can be hard. If you cant afford a care home you havent got much choice. Parents (not all hence my previous example of excellent parents) made sacrifices shouldn't their kids "pay" a little back? When I mentioned Italian and Asian families, the parent needing support would go and live with their children. , and often still do. We see that locally
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365. Spot on. Especially taking into account how much money they save the gmnt. The govt cannot pay for everything in life! The social bill would be endless. , Yes, we have to take responsibility for our own, in my view
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"As much as it's a nice gesture I find it quite uncomfortable if I'm honest , we have never been clapped before and we having been going about doing our jobs day in day out every day of the year every year , leaving loved ones at home on birthdays Christmas new years and so on and so on , under staged over worked. We havent had a meaning full pay rise in best part of 10 years and the one we did eventually get isn't even at the rate of inflation. I didn't sign to the profession to be clapped 8pm on a Thursday. I much rather working conditions as a hole improved for the future right staffing so patients can get the time and care they need and should get. But that's just me " Two of my children work in the NHS in roles where they interact with the public, they'd totally agree with your view. | |||
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"I agree with this ... once was a great gesture ... it’s now become the new virtue signalling craze ... second only to vilifying those who don’t go out every week on Facebook. You could also argue that villifying those that do clap, and saying "I respect/support the nhs all the time, not just for a minute on Thursdays" is the next level of virtue signalling..." ..but this is all a distraction from the fact clapping doesn't provide any protection for front line NHS workers and carers. | |||
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"As much as it's a nice gesture I find it quite uncomfortable if I'm honest , we have never been clapped before and we having been going about doing our jobs day in day out every day of the year every year , leaving loved ones at home on birthdays Christmas new years and so on and so on , under staged over worked. We havent had a meaning full pay rise in best part of 10 years and the one we did eventually get isn't even at the rate of inflation. I didn't sign to the profession to be clapped 8pm on a Thursday. I much rather working conditions as a hole improved for the future right staffing so patients can get the time and care they need and should get. But that's just me " I have the greatest respect for you all, having received the best care for my family, in the recent past. I think this has made us all realise just how much you're underpaid and how desperately bad your conditions are. I sincerely hope something changes for you all. | |||
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"Furthermore half the ones stood on their door step are still nipping to home bargains ect for abit of fence paint and some charcoal for their BBQ ... Because that fits right into the essential guidelines right ! "Agreed | |||
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"As much as it's a nice gesture I find it quite uncomfortable if I'm honest , we have never been clapped before and we having been going about doing our jobs day in day out every day of the year every year , leaving loved ones at home on birthdays Christmas new years and so on and so on , under staged over worked. We havent had a meaning full pay rise in best part of 10 years and the one we did eventually get isn't even at the rate of inflation. I didn't sign to the profession to be clapped 8pm on a Thursday. I much rather working conditions as a hole improved for the future right staffing so patients can get the time and care they need and should get. But that's just me I have the greatest respect for you all, having received the best care for my family, in the recent past. I think this has made us all realise just how much you're underpaid and how desperately bad your conditions are. I sincerely hope something changes for you all." | |||
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"I agree with this ... once was a great gesture ... it’s now become the new virtue signalling craze ... second only to vilifying those who don’t go out every week on Facebook. You could also argue that villifying those that do clap, and saying "I respect/support the nhs all the time, not just for a minute on Thursdays" is the next level of virtue signalling... ..but this is all a distraction from the fact clapping doesn't provide any protection for front line NHS workers and carers." Not clapping doesn't provide any protection either, neither does moaning about people that want to show their appreciation. In fact criticising someone making a nice gesture and turning it political is likely to alienate and offend those that once supported your cause. | |||
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"I think the clapping should stop. As OP said. People need to show more respect all the time not just one day Someone was outed on Facebook yesterday for not coming out to clap." The shaming culture on social media is one of my many pet hates. | |||
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"I agree with this ... once was a great gesture ... it’s now become the new virtue signalling craze ... second only to vilifying those who don’t go out every week on Facebook. You could also argue that villifying those that do clap, and saying "I respect/support the nhs all the time, not just for a minute on Thursdays" is the next level of virtue signalling... ..but this is all a distraction from the fact clapping doesn't provide any protection for front line NHS workers and carers. Not clapping doesn't provide any protection either, neither does moaning about people that want to show their appreciation. In fact criticising someone making a nice gesture and turning it political is likely to alienate and offend those that once supported your cause." I wasn't criticising anybody, moaning or being political. If the public can be 'offended' by someone advocating for health workers to be given adequate PPE, then perhaps the appreciation wasn't so sincere in the first place. | |||
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"I agree with this ... once was a great gesture ... it’s now become the new virtue signalling craze ... second only to vilifying those who don’t go out every week on Facebook. You could also argue that villifying those that do clap, and saying "I respect/support the nhs all the time, not just for a minute on Thursdays" is the next level of virtue signalling... ..but this is all a distraction from the fact clapping doesn't provide any protection for front line NHS workers and carers. Not clapping doesn't provide any protection either, neither does moaning about people that want to show their appreciation. In fact criticising someone making a nice gesture and turning it political is likely to alienate and offend those that once supported your cause. I wasn't criticising anybody, moaning or being political. If the public can be 'offended' by someone advocating for health workers to be given adequate PPE, then perhaps the appreciation wasn't so sincere in the first place. " You aren't the only contributor in this topic and not being overtly critical or political in your first post is pretty much negated by you then choosing to belittle anyone that takes offence at the implication that clapping is just virtue signalling. An implication that you have just reinforced | |||
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"I agree with this ... once was a great gesture ... it’s now become the new virtue signalling craze ... second only to vilifying those who don’t go out every week on Facebook. You could also argue that villifying those that do clap, and saying "I respect/support the nhs all the time, not just for a minute on Thursdays" is the next level of virtue signalling... ..but this is all a distraction from the fact clapping doesn't provide any protection for front line NHS workers and carers. Not clapping doesn't provide any protection either, neither does moaning about people that want to show their appreciation. In fact criticising someone making a nice gesture and turning it political is likely to alienate and offend those that once supported your cause. I wasn't criticising anybody, moaning or being political. If the public can be 'offended' by someone advocating for health workers to be given adequate PPE, then perhaps the appreciation wasn't so sincere in the first place. You aren't the only contributor in this topic and not being overtly critical or political in your first post is pretty much negated by you then choosing to belittle anyone that takes offence at the implication that clapping is just virtue signalling. An implication that you have just reinforced " Crikey, I don't see that at all, they didn't mention virtue signalling and they weren't belittling anyone in my opinion. Your view is really what I was referring to in my first post on this thread, health workers are almost afraid to demand the right equipment for fear of upsetting well meaning people who clap them, it's a great distraction tactic for HMG! | |||
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"Lack of ppe Low wages Self employed so no income if i don't work as my job is part of key worker I get bad stares when I jump the supermarket queues. Shopping for others not myself. No bonuses when supermarket staff getting some So i continue to work instead of self isolating because i can't afford it and who i care for still need me... "I feel desperately sorry for you and the thousands of others who've been continuing to work during this crisis whilst putting yourselves at great risk, at least NHS have comprehensive employee benefits. | |||
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"I'm Carrer and to be quite honest this subject is starting to wind me up how about instead of meaningless gestures the government step up and support carrers looking after disabled relatives at a far reduced rate taking alot of stress of the system. " | |||
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"As much as it's a nice gesture I find it quite uncomfortable if I'm honest , we have never been clapped before and we having been going about doing our jobs day in day out every day of the year every year , leaving loved ones at home on birthdays Christmas new years and so on and so on , under staged over worked. We havent had a meaning full pay rise in best part of 10 years and the one we did eventually get isn't even at the rate of inflation. I didn't sign to the profession to be clapped 8pm on a Thursday. I much rather working conditions as a hole improved for the future right staffing so patients can get the time and care they need and should get. But that's just me " You are 100% correct. | |||
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"I agree with this ... once was a great gesture ... it’s now become the new virtue signalling craze ... second only to vilifying those who don’t go out every week on Facebook. You could also argue that villifying those that do clap, and saying "I respect/support the nhs all the time, not just for a minute on Thursdays" is the next level of virtue signalling... ..but this is all a distraction from the fact clapping doesn't provide any protection for front line NHS workers and carers. Not clapping doesn't provide any protection either, neither does moaning about people that want to show their appreciation. In fact criticising someone making a nice gesture and turning it political is likely to alienate and offend those that once supported your cause. I wasn't criticising anybody, moaning or being political. If the public can be 'offended' by someone advocating for health workers to be given adequate PPE, then perhaps the appreciation wasn't so sincere in the first place. " Your post was spot on | |||
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"I agree with this ... once was a great gesture ... it’s now become the new virtue signalling craze ... second only to vilifying those who don’t go out every week on Facebook. You could also argue that villifying those that do clap, and saying "I respect/support the nhs all the time, not just for a minute on Thursdays" is the next level of virtue signalling... ..but this is all a distraction from the fact clapping doesn't provide any protection for front line NHS workers and carers. Not clapping doesn't provide any protection either, neither does moaning about people that want to show their appreciation. In fact criticising someone making a nice gesture and turning it political is likely to alienate and offend those that once supported your cause. I wasn't criticising anybody, moaning or being political. If the public can be 'offended' by someone advocating for health workers to be given adequate PPE, then perhaps the appreciation wasn't so sincere in the first place. You aren't the only contributor in this topic and not being overtly critical or political in your first post is pretty much negated by you then choosing to belittle anyone that takes offence at the implication that clapping is just virtue signalling. An implication that you have just reinforced Crikey, I don't see that at all, they didn't mention virtue signalling and they weren't belittling anyone in my opinion. Your view is really what I was referring to in my first post on this thread, health workers are almost afraid to demand the right equipment for fear of upsetting well meaning people who clap them, it's a great distraction tactic for HMG!" The thing is, you can ask for proper equipment and virtually nobody would disagree. People clapping has absoloutly no relevance to that argument yet once again the pitchforks are out saying the clappers are not supporting the NHS. Its not one or the other, people can, and do both clap and advocate for fair treatment of nhs staff. Claiming staff are scared of upsetting the clappers is blatant bullshit as proven by all the people criticising the clappers in this thread. As for your comment about not seeing the belittling and virtue signalling I refer you to their comment - "If the public can be 'offended' by someone advocating for health workers to be given adequate PPE, then perhaps the appreciation wasn't so sincere in the first place." It completely bypasses the point made about people taking offence at being told they are clapping for selfish reasons and goes straight to the guilt trip and implication (once again) they must not care about the nhs and its staff. It's the standard war cry of the militant supporter which aims to guilt trip and scare people into blindly agreeing and supporting. If you read back not one person has been offended, or has a problem with staff requesting proper ppe yet the poster you defend chooses to imply they have as they know people will support that viewpoint. That is actual distraction and manipulation. | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365." I'm actually ok with my carers allowance rate, I'm a full time carer to my mum, I don't think we are in any financial difficulty, my bills are paid, we aren't struggling. I used to get my Friday evening out as my 'break time', that's now out of the window since lockdown but it's not too bad. | |||
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"First week I was sat waiting and honestly very meaningful and emotional Now it’s nice but lost it’s value Tbh I’m the first out just to see how everyone has up there game we had this week fireworks tambourine and on neighbouring st someone has saxophone There has been cases of people being shamed which is out of order people show appreciation and gratitude in different way 1 guy on our st works for nhs doesn’t like it" It's a case of one upnanship. The guy with the sax sounds like a whopper. | |||
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"I always clap every thursday "We're a pair of clappers, aren't we Shag | |||
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We're a pair of clappers, aren't we Shag Yes we are, it is good to show support by doing it "Yes it is. The NHS has played a big part in my family's life for past 7 years, could never thank them enough | |||
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We're a pair of clappers, aren't we Shag Yes we are, it is good to show support by doing it
Yes it is. The NHS has played a big part in my family's life for past 7 years, could never thank them enough "That is good it have been doing that too, they are doing a great job | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365. Spot on. Especially taking into account how much money they save the gmnt." You're not saving the government though. You are doing what should be done in any family and any government assistance is a bonus. | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365. Spot on. Especially taking into account how much money they save the gmnt. You're not saving the government though. You are doing what should be done in any family and any government assistance is a bonus." When about if you are old and have no one to look after you? What if you cannot afford to take any time work to provide support? | |||
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"Person I'm currently carinng for has lost mobility in their lower body due to medical negligence and miss management of the NHS. Lost their job then the house then the will to live now depends on me. I get no assistance from any outside agencies unless the dwp want to send them threatening letters ect. Court dates are almost set though so fingers crossed for a big pay out" Is that a relative? | |||
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"Person I'm currently carinng for has lost mobility in their lower body due to medical negligence and miss management of the NHS. Lost their job then the house then the will to live now depends on me. I get no assistance from any outside agencies unless the dwp want to send them threatening letters ect. Court dates are almost set though so fingers crossed for a big pay out" Physiotherapy? | |||
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"Not worked just caused more pain it's a pretty big case atm" Different hospital and pain clinic? Some hospitals have psychology experts to help manage pain non pharmaceutical, prior to that anaesthetists and specialist nurses run clinics, includes botox for migraines, acupuncture, spinal injections (intrathecally). | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365. Spot on. Especially taking into account how much money they save the gmnt. You're not saving the government though. You are doing what should be done in any family and any government assistance is a bonus. When about if you are old and have no one to look after you? What if you cannot afford to take any time work to provide support?" So take the help and stop moaning. This country is better than most | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365. Spot on. Especially taking into account how much money they save the gmnt. You're not saving the government though. You are doing what should be done in any family and any government assistance is a bonus. When about if you are old and have no one to look after you? What if you cannot afford to take any time work to provide support? So take the help and stop moaning. This country is better than most" Who the fuck is moaning? | |||
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"Been all over the country even abroad this is not something as simple as I think you imagine it's medical negligence " It comes under failure of duty of care, however, I'm not thinking on those lines I'm thinking of the poor guy's pain. Pain itself is complex due to the different pathways and context, hence mentioning different things. | |||
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"A week you knew what I meant " £60 a week. That must be a struggle to survive on that. | |||
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"Some people here need to be more open minded those of you in your 40s 50s could have your kids washing you and wiping your arse sooner than later. Be more compassionate" I'll do what I can for my parents and hope my kids will rally for me | |||
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"Depends on person to person not every carer can work whilst doing the job 24/7. Im not the only person in this boat and as for government support they would sooner attempt to not pay you rather than acknowledge a disabled vulnerable adult. The stigma surrounding alone is bonkers " I certainly dont think they make it easy to Claim benefits. They seem to view everyone as a scrounger. | |||
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"As a NHS worker I can assure you me and my collegues love it. We are taking the time during the clap to think of our fallen collegues. It really does boost morale too and it also acts as a way to check on our elderly neighbours as we wave over and check they are ok" | |||
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"As a NHS worker I can assure you me and my collegues love it. We are taking the time during the clap to think of our fallen collegues. It really does boost morale too and it also acts as a way to check on our elderly neighbours as we wave over and check they are ok" Aah bless you | |||
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"As a NHS worker I can assure you me and my collegues love it. We are taking the time during the clap to think of our fallen collegues. It really does boost morale too and it also acts as a way to check on our elderly neighbours as we wave over and check they are ok" Going to pretty awkward if your Norfolk and Norwich hospital | |||
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" Although informal carers save the government money (although there are benefits for people with disabilities and their carers), once upon a time society would look after their own. You do see this still occur in Italian communities and Asian families. , " I think there have been many changes in society than mean for many its just not possible now You could say the same about mothers staying home to care for children while they grow up , how many families have the luxury of that being a practical option these days People have families later these days (or second families) and therefore have their children at home to take care of til a much later age, build that around a full time job, no chance of early retirement and both parents probably out at work , its not physically possible to be a carer for someone who needs that support full time | |||
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" Although informal carers save the government money (although there are benefits for people with disabilities and their carers), once upon a time society would look after their own. You do see this still occur in Italian communities and Asian families. , I think there have been many changes in society than mean for many its just not possible now You could say the same about mothers staying home to care for children while they grow up , how many families have the luxury of that being a practical option these days People have families later these days (or second families) and therefore have their children at home to take care of til a much later age, build that around a full time job, no chance of early retirement and both parents probably out at work , its not physically possible to be a carer for someone who needs that support full time " This is true. I just wanted to open people's eyes to the fact that the govt provides a safety net, they are not actually there to pay a wage to everyone who looks after family. | |||
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" Although informal carers save the government money (although there are benefits for people with disabilities and their carers), once upon a time society would look after their own. You do see this still occur in Italian communities and Asian families. , I think there have been many changes in society than mean for many its just not possible now You could say the same about mothers staying home to care for children while they grow up , how many families have the luxury of that being a practical option these days People have families later these days (or second families) and therefore have their children at home to take care of til a much later age, build that around a full time job, no chance of early retirement and both parents probably out at work , its not physically possible to be a carer for someone who needs that support full time " I guess I'm one of the lucky ones that can care for my family | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365. Spot on. Especially taking into account how much money they save the gmnt. You're not saving the government though. You are doing what should be done in any family and any government assistance is a bonus. Some people who need a carer have more complex needs than a family member should have to take care of. For instance, my mum has become violent with me, has locked me out of my house in the rain, has verbally and mentally abused me, is that really what someone should put up with? Your lack of empathy speaks volumes. I'm certainly glad I'm not one of your relatives that might need assistance. " Absolutely. There are also cases where a parent was abusive. Just because that person is now frail/vulnerable, I would never advocate their children should now look after them. It could be detrimental to their mental health or the parent could be at risk due to a power switch. I've seen the former. | |||
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"It helps to distract from the government though. When it gets worse, it will be due to insufficient doses of the clap somewhere. It was a sweet and simple way to show support but it is virtue signalling to a great extent. Carers and health workers have been monumentally let down. Carers seem to be taken for granted - Carers Allowance is insulting and an utter disgrace - just over £60/week I think and many carers do 24/7/365. Spot on. Especially taking into account how much money they save the gmnt. You're not saving the government though. You are doing what should be done in any family and any government assistance is a bonus. Some people who need a carer have more complex needs than a family member should have to take care of. For instance, my mum has become violent with me, has locked me out of my house in the rain, has verbally and mentally abused me, is that really what someone should put up with? Your lack of empathy speaks volumes. I'm certainly glad I'm not one of your relatives that might need assistance. " You are quite right, that is very difficult and that's when you need support with looking after your family members, but I appreciate it's not ready available to you. | |||
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"Nobody gave a fuck before this virus so why now " Think i know why. Everything governments do is for show. Now there's a health crisis around the world we all of a sudden have to show we have the best care, the best NHS, the best citizens to provide care for others. Ignoring the fact that this government has cut pretty much every single social care thing that's possible. But it's ok to be a hypocrite so long as the world doesn't know about it. As for the populace, i like to think they always appreciated caring people.* I'm just gonna ignore that hate crimes, attacks on disabled etc have gone up since this government got into power and the corona virus kinda made it ok to be racist to asians too if you're a racist. Oh yeah and UC has gone up by £20 a week, yay. Just gonna ignore the fact that you only get paid UC once a month and not 4 weekly like other benefits so anyone claiming that loses 1 whole months welfare... It's amazing how you can make something seem better than i really is just with a few tweaks and some ignorance. *I know many do appreciate caring people, just surprised to see how many people seem to live off hate for others. I was brought up in the PC age where you had to keep your gob shut if you were a racist or whatever, which was quite pleasant. | |||
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"Furthermore half the ones stood on their door step are still nipping to home bargains ect for abit of fence paint and some charcoal for their BBQ ... Because that fits right into the essential guidelines right ! "okay as long as that's not the only thing they go for though. My shopping this week has included bunting for ve day street party.. ( obviously likely to be confined to our own gardens) For many the Thursday isnt just about the support for key workers.. it's about bringing communities together when many feel so far apart. My daughter with disabilities loves the Thursday clapping.. she feels the buzz in the air and smiles ( I'll keep doing it for that as well as the people that within the nhs and beyond find it a weekly lift) | |||
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" For many the Thursday isnt just about the support for key workers.. it's about bringing communities together when many feel so far apart. My daughter with disabilities loves the Thursday clapping.. she feels the buzz in the air and smiles ( I'll keep doing it for that as well as the people that within the nhs and beyond find it a weekly lift)" ^This. Obviously everyone who claps will never consider voting Tory again, and the NHS and all our care workers will get everything they need after the next general election. | |||
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"Furthermore half the ones stood on their door step are still nipping to home bargains ect for abit of fence paint and some charcoal for their BBQ ... Because that fits right into the essential guidelines right ! okay as long as that's not the only thing they go for though.
My shopping this week has included bunting for ve day street party.. ( obviously likely to be confined to our own gardens)
For many the Thursday isnt just about the support for key workers.. it's about bringing communities together when many feel so far apart.
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" For many the Thursday isnt just about the support for key workers.. it's about bringing communities together when many feel so far apart. My daughter with disabilities loves the Thursday clapping.. she feels the buzz in the air and smiles ( I'll keep doing it for that as well as the people that within the nhs and beyond find it a weekly lift) ^This. Obviously everyone who claps will never consider voting Tory again, and the NHS and all our care workers will get everything they need after the next general election." Why wont those that clap vote Tory again. I know most of my street has and probably will again. Let's face it every government let's the nhs down | |||
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" For many the Thursday isnt just about the support for key workers.. it's about bringing communities together when many feel so far apart. My daughter with disabilities loves the Thursday clapping.. she feels the buzz in the air and smiles ( I'll keep doing it for that as well as the people that within the nhs and beyond find it a weekly lift) ^This. Obviously everyone who claps will never consider voting Tory again, and the NHS and all our care workers will get everything they need after the next general election." How come ? | |||
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"Quote... You could say the same about mothers staying at home...... You decide to have children it's a choice, you don't decide to go blind in nine months time that's my point and why the two things are not the same! Children make you busy but they don't stop you from opening a packet.... Perhaps the question should be what was your point? Why do you think the situation compares?" You have lost me aswell tbh.Isnt it about people looking after their parents?I dont really get the connection with being disabled. | |||
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"They are looking after the parent mainly because they are disabled, and the original post states the carer should be better looked after........ "It was me that mentioned it being the similar for mothers looking after children , i wasn't suggesting having a child was like having a disability i have no idea how its even come across like that I was responding to “years gone by people looked after their own” My point was society has changed in many ways that makes things that there were possible in years gone by not so practical now IE in years gone by mothers stayed at home to look after the children, now generally both parents in a household have to work I was trying to get across that its not always through choice And just not wanting to that people don't look after their parents these days, life is much more complicated than it used to be and circumstance often doesn't make it possible, certainly not full time anyway | |||
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Yes carers should be given help if required, especially if looking after a disabled person, I know. I don't know if the OP has had a care assessment of his family member, they will see what help they can give. Especially difficult if you are caring full time and thus can't work."I was about to have an assessment but my worker went on holiday for 3 weeks just before the lockdown, not heard anything from them since. Totally forgot about them because i'm just used to doing everything without support by now anyway. | |||
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Yes carers should be given help if required, especially if looking after a disabled person, I know. I don't know if the OP has had a care assessment of his family member, they will see what help they can give. Especially difficult if you are caring full time and thus can't work.
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"I'm Carrer and to be quite honest this subject is starting to wind me up how about instead of meaningless gestures the government step up and support carrers looking after disabled relatives at a far reduced rate taking alot of stress of the system.
Although informal carers save the government money (although there are benefits for people with disabilities and their carers), once upon a time society would look after their own. You do see this still occur in Italian communities and Asian families. "It’s changing though, 2nd and 3rd gen Asian families don’t do it so much anymore , charities and social enterprises do using gov funding, they’ve been assimilated into “modern” British culture now and expect the state to do it like everyone else. If you take all money out the system and keep people on low wages for 3-5 decades, they can no longer afford to look after old and disabled like before, it’s simple maths | |||
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"They are looking after the parent mainly because they are disabled, and the original post states the carer should be better looked after........
Yes carers should be given help if required, especially if looking after a disabled person, I know. I don't know if the OP has had a care assessment of his family member, they will see what help they can give. Especially difficult if you are caring full time and thus can't work.
I was about to have an assessment but my worker went on holiday for 3 weeks just before the lockdown, not heard anything from them since. Totally forgot about them because i'm just used to doing everything without support by now anyway.
That's not good..
"It's not too bad because i sorted out my own support network outside of organisations, i was dealing with social services initially when i first became a carer and they didn't help with anything (not even a washing machine when mine broke down and i need one because the person i care for is incontinent). Eventually another parent told me i should be claiming DLA for my son, she also had a disabled son and gave me more advice when i'd bump into her in the street and randomly chat with her than any of SS did in years of interfering. So i'm sort of meh about them helping me, although i've got some stuff in my house now for my mobility issues so that's been good. | |||
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