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"So really you’re just a bit peeved with the fact we are being asked to be honest " no its another badly run setup by an inept govt that needs debating | |||
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"It didnt crash. All the slots were taken in minutes " 16000 applications total incl self test i think and i never said it crashed it closed | |||
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"So really you’re just a bit peeved with the fact we are being asked to be honest no its another badly run setup by an inept govt that needs debating " Easy to book online System goes live, available slots all booked and more released tomorrow - more and more people getting tested . What’s badly run about that. why are they inept for introducing an easy to book online system ? | |||
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"Just another government bashing thread then?" not at all i mentioned good and bad | |||
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"It didnt crash. All the slots were taken in minutes 16000 applications total incl self test i think and i never said it crashed it closed" there were no more tests available | |||
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"So really you’re just a bit peeved with the fact we are being asked to be honest no its another badly run setup by an inept govt that needs debating Easy to book online System goes live, available slots all booked and more released tomorrow - more and more people getting tested . What’s badly run about that. why are they inept for introducing an easy to book online system ?" no capacity and no validity checks | |||
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"Just another government bashing thread then?" The defenders will be here though eh.. | |||
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"there were no more tests available " so they cant build a system that preempts availability tomorrow next week etc ? | |||
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"So really you’re just a bit peeved with the fact we are being asked to be honest no its another badly run setup by an inept govt that needs debating Easy to book online System goes live, available slots all booked and more released tomorrow - more and more people getting tested . What’s badly run about that. why are they inept for introducing an easy to book online system ? no capacity and no validity checks" Plenty of capacity, without overloading and possibly crashing the system thereby not allowing anyone to book a test. Validity checks - like i said, you are criticising them for asking us to be honest . | |||
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" Plenty of capacity, without overloading and possibly crashing the system thereby not allowing anyone to book a test. Validity checks - like i said, you are criticising them for asking us to be honest ." i understand you LOVE the govt and you have never told a white lie to get what you want either how very honest of you as for capacity simple mathematics would suggest 16K slots/day can only is impractical in a country over 60+ million | |||
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"yet another cock-up by the govt 1. lets setup a site to allow key workers & family members of key workers to get tested ... great 2. the site gets overwhelmed within minutes and shuts down applications ... predictable 3. the govt admits there are no validity checks on whos asking for tests we just "Hope " your all being honest and good citizens lol ... that's just f**king stupid " Good job that your alternative of "Corbyn" didn't get in to power! If he had got in to power and then contracted Corona like Boris did, you would have Diane Abbot running the show! 
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"Yep, how dare the government expand the number of tests they are doing like a million and one people here have been moaning that they should be doing. Testing takes time and has limits to the number of people that can be done in one day. If you don't want to accept that, then come up with some magical solution for testing everyone all at the same time, without anyone having to travel. Oh and make sure it's 100% accurate unlike every test that anyone in the world has developed so far. " ok a simple answr ... use the capacity thats there 50K i think not under utilise as has been happening by 50% | |||
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"Good job that your alternative of "Corbyn" didn't get in to power! If he had got in to power and then contracted Corona like Boris did, you would have Diane Abbot running the show!
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"Yep, how dare the government expand the number of tests they are doing like a million and one people here have been moaning that they should be doing. Testing takes time and has limits to the number of people that can be done in one day. If you don't want to accept that, then come up with some magical solution for testing everyone all at the same time, without anyone having to travel. Oh and make sure it's 100% accurate unlike every test that anyone in the world has developed so far. ok a simple answr ... use the capacity thats there 50K i think not under utilise as has been happening by 50%" You mean like some sort of website where people can go and book one of the testing slots that are available? | |||
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"You put up the capacity and slots you have. When full you decline. This is not hard to understand As capacity increases you have more slots. As people don't rush then those who need the test get it. It's for those showing symptoms. What's the betting this is the same as panic buying and filled by people not needing a test. But hey, let's not ruin a good anti rant" that would be ok if you assume your capacity runs out it wont as its meant to increase over time not deplete | |||
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"yet another cock-up by the govt 1. lets setup a site to allow key workers & family members of key workers to get tested ... great 2. the site gets overwhelmed within minutes and shuts down applications ... predictable 3. the govt admits there are no validity checks on whos asking for tests we just "Hope " your all being honest and good citizens lol ... that's just f**king stupid Good job that your alternative of "Corbyn" didn't get in to power! If he had got in to power and then contracted Corona like Boris did, you would have Diane Abbot running the show!
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" You mean like some sort of website where people can go and book one of the testing slots that are available? " see the gov website "Coronavirus test: capacity reached for today" what about booking for tomorrow next week etc etc oh that doesn't count in your world does it only now obviously you only book a holiday your going in this minute etc and large scale databases dont exist | |||
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" You mean like some sort of website where people can go and book one of the testing slots that are available? yes and it works for every day not just now " How many tests will need to be done on Thursday next week? Or how many will be urgently referred next Tuesday? What will be the maximum capacity available a week Wednesday? Unless you can answer this then you cannot plan that far ahead. Or should people book a test and then be turned away as their pre-book slot had to be given to a higher priority case. It isn't perfect, but it's a step in the right direction. One I would rather they take than not give out any slots to a wider audience until the website has been through a focus group to discuss what extra features you want and exactly how they should be structured. Start the extra tests now, the improvements can come in due course. | |||
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" Plenty of capacity, without overloading and possibly crashing the system thereby not allowing anyone to book a test. Validity checks - like i said, you are criticising them for asking us to be honest . i understand you LOVE the govt and you have never told a white lie to get what you want either how very honest of you as for capacity simple mathematics would suggest 16K slots/day can only is impractical in a country over 60+ million" Are there 60+million frontline, key workers? So the trust is misplaced ? Wouldn’t be the first time during this situation . | |||
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"urgent cases should be hospital admission surely not testing sites " NHS staff that are suspected of having it are sometimes tested where they work, if they are already self isolating they are referred to a test center if it's relatively near. They take priority as they cannot treat patients if their status is unknown. | |||
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" NHS staff that are suspected of having it are sometimes tested where they work, if they are already self isolating they are referred to a test center if it's relatively near. They take priority as they cannot treat patients if their status is unknown." noone said priority doesn't matter just ability to predict capacity should be possible ever had an emergency appt at doctor or dentist they seem to manage to preempt emergencies or allocate capacity at least | |||
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" So the trust is misplaced ? Wouldn’t be the first time during this situation ." and the government doesn't know who or where you work then dont we all have NI numbers for such cases ? | |||
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" Good job that your alternative of "Corbyn" didn't get in to power! If he had got in to power and then contracted Corona like Boris did, you would have Diane Abbot running the show!
So be careful what you wish for "Corbyn probably wouldn't have been shaking hands in a hospital to contract a severe dose in the first place. That comes from the self entitled arrogance of privilege that makes you think you know better than everyone else. A website that millions want to access probably won't respond perfectly when it goes live, and I welcome the arrival of a system to get the testing increased. Hopefully it has the results we all want. Introducing fantasy politics to the argument though? That just means you've run out of arguments. "You think these guys are incompetent? Look at what could have happened!" | |||
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" NHS staff that are suspected of having it are sometimes tested where they work, if they are already self isolating they are referred to a test center if it's relatively near. They take priority as they cannot treat patients if their status is unknown. noone said priority doesn't matter just ability to predict capacity should be possible ever had an emergency appt at doctor or dentist they seem to manage to preempt emergencies or allocate capacity at least " Yes because they set aside times of the day for emergency appointments, use cancellation slots to accommodate some (ever been told to phone the surgery first thing in the morning?) And in worst cases, they bump other people so they can treat the most urgent cases. Otherwise, they have a certain number of cases they expect to see in a day and they fill them, if they don't have more, you can't have an appointment that day. They also aren't potentially adding extra capacity the next day so they know what their appointment maximum is. It would be like them booking appointments for a doctor that may or may not start tomorrow, if they don't and you've filled the appointment slots, can you imagine how much flack they would get? | |||
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" NHS staff that are suspected of having it are sometimes tested where they work, if they are already self isolating they are referred to a test center if it's relatively near. They take priority as they cannot treat patients if their status is unknown. noone said priority doesn't matter just ability to predict capacity should be possible ever had an emergency appt at doctor or dentist they seem to manage to preempt emergencies or allocate capacity at least " If they opened up 2 weeks at a time, that full 2 weeks would have booked out today in not much more time than the - day did, same as when the shops allowed people unlimited access they loaded trollies with stuff, people are inherently selfish If we allow that 2 weeks to book out in full today and the situation changes on monday then what happens? | |||
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" Yes because they set aside times of the day for emergency appointments, use cancellation slots to accommodate some (ever been told to phone the surgery first thing in the morning?) And in worst cases, they bump other people so they can treat the most urgent cases. Otherwise, they have a certain number of cases they expect to see in a day and they fill them, if they don't have more, you can't have an appointment that day. They also aren't potentially adding extra capacity the next day so they know what their appointment maximum is. It would be like them booking appointments for a doctor that may or may not start tomorrow, if they don't and you've filled the appointment slots, can you imagine how much flack they would get?" so you've agreed that preempting is possible or trying to fight your argument that makes no sense im not sure which now | |||
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" So the trust is misplaced ? Wouldn’t be the first time during this situation . and the government doesn't know who or where you work then dont we all have NI numbers for such cases ? " NI numbers are useless for someone co habiting with a key worker, should they provide the key workers NI and their marriage certificate, what if its flat mates? A copy of the lease signed by both, oh wait the letting agency is closed now what ... and who is completing all the validation admin? They have made the process as easy and simple as possible to use And just ask the public not to be selfish c*nts and rush in if it doesn’t apply to them, i wouldnt have thought it was too much to ask | |||
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" linking other systems, verification required etc.. adding to the efficiency of making it a quick and easy process ... Or ... Let’s trust the public to do the right thing and be honest. " the system already inn place gov.uk is a linked site already the backend systems are already connected or have you never used it ? | |||
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"yet another cock-up by the govt 1. lets setup a site to allow key workers & family members of key workers to get tested ... great 2. the site gets overwhelmed within minutes and shuts down applications ... predictable 3. the govt admits there are no validity checks on whos asking for tests we just "Hope " your all being honest and good citizens lol ... that's just f**king stupid Good job that your alternative of "Corbyn" didn't get in to power! If he had got in to power and then contracted Corona like Boris did, you would have Diane Abbot running the show!
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" They have made the process as easy and simple as possible to use And just ask the public not to be selfish c*nts and rush in if it doesn’t apply to them, i wouldnt have thought it was too much to ask " I only wish i lived in your perfect world where nobody lies or cheats the system to get what they want | |||
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" linking other systems, verification required etc.. adding to the efficiency of making it a quick and easy process ... Or ... Let’s trust the public to do the right thing and be honest. the system already inn place gov.uk is a linked site already the backend systems are already connected or have you never used it ? " Those systems are not going to already have people categorised as key worker or living with a key worker , its additional admin and maintenance that is not required, it is eventually going to be rolled out to everyone at which point they would have to back out the restrictions from the system ... if people can just be adults snd not jump the queue then there is no issue ... british people love queue etiquette right? | |||
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" They have made the process as easy and simple as possible to use And just ask the public not to be selfish c*nts and rush in if it doesn’t apply to them, i wouldnt have thought it was too much to ask I only wish i lived in your perfect world where nobody lies or cheats the system to get what they want " Government can’t be held responsible for people being dishonest | |||
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" They have made the process as easy and simple as possible to use And just ask the public not to be selfish c*nts and rush in if it doesn’t apply to them, i wouldnt have thought it was too much to ask I only wish i lived in your perfect world where nobody lies or cheats the system to get what they want " Of course they do but obviously the number expected to cheat the system was weighed up against the extra admin and we settled on lets treat people as adults... isnt that what everyone is arguing for on the other threads about tell us what the after lockdown plan in? We are adults? | |||
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" Yes because they set aside times of the day for emergency appointments, use cancellation slots to accommodate some (ever been told to phone the surgery first thing in the morning?) And in worst cases, they bump other people so they can treat the most urgent cases. Otherwise, they have a certain number of cases they expect to see in a day and they fill them, if they don't have more, you can't have an appointment that day. They also aren't potentially adding extra capacity the next day so they know what their appointment maximum is. It would be like them booking appointments for a doctor that may or may not start tomorrow, if they don't and you've filled the appointment slots, can you imagine how much flack they would get? so you've agreed that preempting is possible or trying to fight your argument that makes no sense im not sure which now " No preempting is not possible if you wish to utilize all of the daily capacity. You have to have some slack in the system to accommodate emergencies otherwise and as I have just stated, how do you preemptively book appointments when you don't know what your total capacity it going to be in a few days, let alone a few weeks! | |||
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" No preempting is not possible if you wish to utilize all of the daily capacity. You have to have some slack in the system to accommodate emergencies otherwise and as I have just stated, how do you preemptively book appointments when you don't know what your total capacity it going to be in a few days, let alone a few weeks!" they DONT utilise all the capacity thats the point am i talking to thick sheeple here bah bah | |||
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" No preempting is not possible if you wish to utilize all of the daily capacity. You have to have some slack in the system to accommodate emergencies otherwise and as I have just stated, how do you preemptively book appointments when you don't know what your total capacity it going to be in a few days, let alone a few weeks!" right to explain as quoted on gov site ... "If your condition gets worse, or you do not get better after 7 days, use the NHS 111 online coronavirus service. Only call 111 if you cannot get help online. For a medical emergency, dial 999" so capacity doesn't come into the equation your sick you go hospital not a test site | |||
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" No preempting is not possible if you wish to utilize all of the daily capacity. You have to have some slack in the system to accommodate emergencies otherwise and as I have just stated, how do you preemptively book appointments when you don't know what your total capacity it going to be in a few days, let alone a few weeks! they DONT utilise all the capacity thats the point am i talking to thick sheeple here bah bah " What the hell are you actually complaining about!? You started off moaning because the government opened up more testing to more people and it got filled up. | |||
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" No preempting is not possible if you wish to utilize all of the daily capacity. You have to have some slack in the system to accommodate emergencies otherwise and as I have just stated, how do you preemptively book appointments when you don't know what your total capacity it going to be in a few days, let alone a few weeks! right to explain as quoted on gov site ... "If your condition gets worse, or you do not get better after 7 days, use the NHS 111 online coronavirus service. Only call 111 if you cannot get help online. For a medical emergency, dial 999" so capacity doesn't come into the equation your sick you go hospital not a test site " That's because that is the advice for the general population. They have been reserving the testing sites for frontline staff, they are now expanding that to family of front line staff. Eventually they will expand it to the general population. | |||
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" What the hell are you actually complaining about!? You started off moaning because the government opened up more testing to more people and it got filled up." no i didn't read the initial post not make accusations | |||
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" That's because that is the advice for the general population. They have been reserving the testing sites for frontline staff, they are now expanding that to family of front line staff. Eventually they will expand it to the general population. " your statement just serves no purpose | |||
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" That's because that is the advice for the general population. They have been reserving the testing sites for frontline staff, they are now expanding that to family of front line staff. Eventually they will expand it to the general population. your statement just serves no purpose " Clearly not as you aren't able to understand the simple advice on the government website. | |||
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" Clearly not as you aren't able to understand the simple advice on the government website." i understand it very well thank you. your the one trying to say that emergency cases should go to test sites and the sites should have capacity to test them | |||
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"It's not perfect, but surely it's a step in the right direction? The ironic thing is that people tested today might have caught it during the time between testing and getting their result in a few days. It is only a snapshot and lags behind real time." no your wrong testing is for symptomatic cases not asymptomatic or clear of signs | |||
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" Clearly not as you aren't able to understand the simple advice on the government website. i understand it very well thank you. your the one trying to say that emergency cases should go to test sites and the sites should have capacity to test them " You do understand they don't actually test samples at the drive in sites don't you? They all get sent to labs for processing whether they have come from hospitals (unless they have on site facilities) or other testing sites. The capacity is driven by how many labs are available to process. Not how many people you can get through a carpark testing site. | |||
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"So really you’re just a bit peeved with the fact we are being asked to be honest no its another badly run setup by an inept govt that needs debating " If a lot of us want to discuss this issue, would it be mass debating? | |||
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" You do understand they don't actually test samples at the drive in sites don't you? They all get sent to labs for processing whether they have come from hospitals (unless they have on site facilities) or other testing sites. The capacity is driven by how many labs are available to process. Not how many people you can get through a carpark testing site." yes im not stupid as you maybe trying to infer and your not adding to your claim that emergencies need capacity at the test sites ... the labs are under utilised | |||
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"So really you’re just a bit peeved with the fact we are being asked to be honest no its another badly run setup by an inept govt that needs debating If a lot of us want to discuss this issue, would it be mass debating? "You tosser  | |||
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"So really you’re just a bit peeved with the fact we are being asked to be honest no its another badly run setup by an inept govt that needs debating If a lot of us want to discuss this issue, would it be mass debating? " | |||
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"Obviously differences across the country. My local council are providing tests to key workers and families.... but myself as an employer has to sign people up to be swabbed as well as justify if their families need the test. I have to reference all requests with my registration number if not a direct employee of mine and have to prove a tenable link to the key worker in one of two ways. Either cohabiting, direct contact. I can also only sign off on the tests for non key workers if I can show that it would affect the key workers ability to carry on working. I would be risking my registration if found to be sending for non essential testing. Yes I think some things could have been differently and approach could have been better initially but as it stands at the minute I can’t fault the provisions put in place to be able to continue to do my job and protect my staff. " your talking about existing testing not the self referral that opened today i think which is what my comments were about | |||
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"It's not perfect, but surely it's a step in the right direction? The ironic thing is that people tested today might have caught it during the time between testing and getting their result in a few days. It is only a snapshot and lags behind real time. no your wrong testing is for symptomatic cases not asymptomatic or clear of signs" Sorry, but I am not wrong. Testing is not exclusively for those with symptoms. Tests can be administered to keyworkers who live with someone who has symptoms, but who do not have symptoms themselves. | |||
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" That's because that is the advice for the general population. They have been reserving the testing sites for frontline staff, they are now expanding that to family of front line staff. Eventually they will expand it to the general population. your statement just serves no purpose Clearly not as you aren't able to understand the simple advice on the government website." I thought the advice on the website was clear | |||
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"It's not perfect, but surely it's a step in the right direction? The ironic thing is that people tested today might have caught it during the time between testing and getting their result in a few days. It is only a snapshot and lags behind real time. no your wrong testing is for symptomatic cases not asymptomatic or clear of signs Sorry, but I am not wrong. Testing is not exclusively for those with symptoms. Tests can be administered to keyworkers who live with someone who has symptoms, but who do not have symptoms themselves." This | |||
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" You do understand they don't actually test samples at the drive in sites don't you? They all get sent to labs for processing whether they have come from hospitals (unless they have on site facilities) or other testing sites. The capacity is driven by how many labs are available to process. Not how many people you can get through a carpark testing site. yes im not stupid as you maybe trying to infer and your not adding to your claim that emergencies need capacity at the test sites ... the labs are under utilised " You have actually lost me. What are you actually moaning about apart from trying to have a pop at the government? I am clearly stating that you cannot book out every single slot of testing for elective tests unless you are prepared to cancel some at very short notice to accommodate emergency tests. If they did do this, I'm sure you'd be the first to complain that it was somehow " incompetence" that they did this. | |||
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"Sorry, but I am not wrong. Testing is not exclusively for those with symptoms. Tests can be administered to keyworkers who live with someone who has symptoms, but who do not have symptoms themselves." fine but that is not the topic here it was the website launched today and sign up which IS for symptomatic cases only not current testing for key workers who are referred from there businesses | |||
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"Sorry, but I am not wrong. Testing is not exclusively for those with symptoms. Tests can be administered to keyworkers who live with someone who has symptoms, but who do not have symptoms themselves. fine but that is not the topic here it was the website launched today and sign up which IS for symptomatic cases only not current testing for key workers who are referred from there businesses " no the site is for key workers and their families...including those that are asymptomatic. I know this as I fall into this group from about 5 different family / contact angles | |||
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" You have actually lost me. What are you actually moaning about apart from trying to have a pop at the government? I am clearly stating that you cannot book out every single slot of testing for elective tests unless you are prepared to cancel some at very short notice to accommodate emergency tests. If they did do this, I'm sure you'd be the first to complain that it was somehow " incompetence" that they did this. " why dont you sit down and calmly re read and try to understand your own comments before throwing wild accusations around ok | |||
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"Sorry, but I am not wrong. Testing is not exclusively for those with symptoms. Tests can be administered to keyworkers who live with someone who has symptoms, but who do not have symptoms themselves. fine but that is not the topic here it was the website launched today and sign up which IS for symptomatic cases only not current testing for key workers who are referred from there businesses no the site is for key workers and their families...including those that are asymptomatic. I know this as I fall into this group from about 5 different family / contact angles" you need to reread my comment not just regurgitate your response | |||
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" You have actually lost me. What are you actually moaning about apart from trying to have a pop at the government? I am clearly stating that you cannot book out every single slot of testing for elective tests unless you are prepared to cancel some at very short notice to accommodate emergency tests. If they did do this, I'm sure you'd be the first to complain that it was somehow " incompetence" that they did this. why dont you sit down and calmly re read and try to understand your own comments before throwing wild accusations around ok " I'm all good thanks, I can understand my comments perfectly. | |||
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"Sorry, but I am not wrong. Testing is not exclusively for those with symptoms. Tests can be administered to keyworkers who live with someone who has symptoms, but who do not have symptoms themselves. fine but that is not the topic here it was the website launched today and sign up which IS for symptomatic cases only not current testing for key workers who are referred from there businesses no the site is for key workers and their families...including those that are asymptomatic. I know this as I fall into this group from about 5 different family / contact angles you need to reread my comment not just regurgitate your response " you need to stop being rude to people that dont agree with you. | |||
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"Sorry, but I am not wrong. Testing is not exclusively for those with symptoms. Tests can be administered to keyworkers who live with someone who has symptoms, but who do not have symptoms themselves. fine but that is not the topic here it was the website launched today and sign up which IS for symptomatic cases only not current testing for key workers who are referred from there businesses " Feel free to provide evidence, I can. The self referral portal guide can be found here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/881043/covid-19-testing-self-referral-portal-user-guide.pdf And it VERY clearly states: The self referral portal allows essential workers who are self-isolating either because they or member(s) of their household have coronavirus-like symptoms, to register to be tested So, lets see your evidence that the self referral portal IS only for people with symptoms? | |||
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"Sorry, but I am not wrong. Testing is not exclusively for those with symptoms. Tests can be administered to keyworkers who live with someone who has symptoms, but who do not have symptoms themselves. fine but that is not the topic here it was the website launched today and sign up which IS for symptomatic cases only not current testing for key workers who are referred from there businesses no the site is for key workers and their families...including those that are asymptomatic. I know this as I fall into this group from about 5 different family / contact angles" to make it simple for you the site says Who can be tested Our priority is testing patients to inform their clinical diagnosis. In addition, we are now also testing: essential workers with symptoms people who live with essential workers and have symptoms | |||
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"Sorry, but I am not wrong. Testing is not exclusively for those with symptoms. Tests can be administered to keyworkers who live with someone who has symptoms, but who do not have symptoms themselves. fine but that is not the topic here it was the website launched today and sign up which IS for symptomatic cases only not current testing for key workers who are referred from there businesses Feel free to provide evidence, I can. The self referral portal guide can be found here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/881043/covid-19-testing-self-referral-portal-user-guide.pdf And it VERY clearly states: The self referral portal allows essential workers who are self-isolating either because they or member(s) of their household have coronavirus-like symptoms, to register to be tested So, lets see your evidence that the self referral portal IS only for people with symptoms? " https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-getting-tested#arrange-a-test | |||
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" You have actually lost me. What are you actually moaning about apart from trying to have a pop at the government? I am clearly stating that you cannot book out every single slot of testing for elective tests unless you are prepared to cancel some at very short notice to accommodate emergency tests. If they did do this, I'm sure you'd be the first to complain that it was somehow " incompetence" that they did this. why dont you sit down and calmly re read and try to understand your own comments before throwing wild accusations around ok I'm all good thanks, I can understand my comments perfectly." good for you as you make no sense to me | |||
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"Yep, how dare the government expand the number of tests they are doing like a million and one people here have been moaning that they should be doing. Testing takes time and has limits to the number of people that can be done in one day. If you don't want to accept that, then come up with some magical solution for testing everyone all at the same time, without anyone having to travel. Oh and make sure it's 100% accurate unlike every test that anyone in the world has developed so far. ok a simple answr ... use the capacity thats there 50K i think not under utilise as has been happening by 50% You mean like some sort of website where people can go and book one of the testing slots that are available? " Yes, that's the sort of thing. Someone should do that... 
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"Sorry, but I am not wrong. Testing is not exclusively for those with symptoms. Tests can be administered to keyworkers who live with someone who has symptoms, but who do not have symptoms themselves. fine but that is not the topic here it was the website launched today and sign up which IS for symptomatic cases only not current testing for key workers who are referred from there businesses Feel free to provide evidence, I can. The self referral portal guide can be found here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/881043/covid-19-testing-self-referral-portal-user-guide.pdf And it VERY clearly states: The self referral portal allows essential workers who are self-isolating either because they or member(s) of their household have coronavirus-like symptoms, to register to be tested So, lets see your evidence that the self referral portal IS only for people with symptoms? https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-getting-tested#arrange-a-test" Now, feel free to open the self referral portal user guide on that page. It'll help you be a little more informed. | |||
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"Yep, how dare the government expand the number of tests they are doing like a million and one people here have been moaning that they should be doing. Testing takes time and has limits to the number of people that can be done in one day. If you don't want to accept that, then come up with some magical solution for testing everyone all at the same time, without anyone having to travel. Oh and make sure it's 100% accurate unlike every test that anyone in the world has developed so far. ok a simple answr ... use the capacity thats there 50K i think not under utilise as has been happening by 50% You mean like some sort of website where people can go and book one of the testing slots that are available? Yes, that's the sort of thing. Someone should do that...
I honestly think some people don't understand or can't be bothered to think before they go of on a tirade.......
Or maybe they just lack the capacity to think.
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"So really you’re just a bit peeved with the fact we are being asked to be honest no its another badly run setup by an inept govt that needs debating Easy to book online System goes live, available slots all booked and more released tomorrow - more and more people getting tested . What’s badly run about that. why are they inept for introducing an easy to book online system ?" People booked online, got confirmation on the website that they had an appointment , informed they would receive a text within minutes with details then nothing for over 6 hours then a text at the end of the day saying no more appointments available try again tomorrow. What could be better  | |||
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"Sorry, but I am not wrong. Testing is not exclusively for those with symptoms. Tests can be administered to keyworkers who live with someone who has symptoms, but who do not have symptoms themselves. fine but that is not the topic here it was the website launched today and sign up which IS for symptomatic cases only not current testing for key workers who are referred from there businesses no the site is for key workers and their families...including those that are asymptomatic. I know this as I fall into this group from about 5 different family / contact angles to make it simple for you the site says Who can be tested Our priority is testing patients to inform their clinical diagnosis. In addition, we are now also testing: essential workers with symptoms people who live with essential workers and have symptoms " 2 lots of honesty required You are a key worker or live in a key worker household and, have symptoms or live with someone who has symptoms. that would be quite difficult to verify, check? | |||
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"Sorry, but I am not wrong. Testing is not exclusively for those with symptoms. Tests can be administered to keyworkers who live with someone who has symptoms, but who do not have symptoms themselves. fine but that is not the topic here it was the website launched today and sign up which IS for symptomatic cases only not current testing for key workers who are referred from there businesses Feel free to provide evidence, I can. The self referral portal guide can be found here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/881043/covid-19-testing-self-referral-portal-user-guide.pdf And it VERY clearly states: The self referral portal allows essential workers who are self-isolating either because they or member(s) of their household have coronavirus-like symptoms, to register to be tested So, lets see your evidence that the self referral portal IS only for people with symptoms? https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-getting-tested#arrange-a-test Now, feel free to open the self referral portal user guide on that page. It'll help you be a little more informed. i know it does i read it page 4 "they or member(s) of their household have coronavirus-like symptoms" NOT ASYMPTOMATIC YOU IDIOT " No need to be abusive. Look at the phrase: "they or member(s) of their household have coronavirus-like symptoms". That means that a keyworker living with someone who has symptoms. If my daughetr had symptoms then I, as a key worker could be tested because I would match that statement - I, or a member of my household would have symptoms, though I may not have them myself. | |||
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"Yep, how dare the government expand the number of tests they are doing like a million and one people here have been moaning that they should be doing. Testing takes time and has limits to the number of people that can be done in one day. If you don't want to accept that, then come up with some magical solution for testing everyone all at the same time, without anyone having to travel. Oh and make sure it's 100% accurate unlike every test that anyone in the world has developed so far. ok a simple answr ... use the capacity thats there 50K i think not under utilise as has been happening by 50% You mean like some sort of website where people can go and book one of the testing slots that are available? Yes, that's the sort of thing. Someone should do that...
I honestly think some people don't understand or can't be bothered to think before they go of on a tirade.......
Or maybe they just lack the capacity to think.
Oh well.......
who are you throwing those accusations at ?
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" No need to be abusive. Look at the phrase: "they or member(s) of their household have coronavirus-like symptoms". That means that a keyworker living with someone who has symptoms. If my daughetr had symptoms then I, as a key worker could be tested because I would match that statement - I, or a member of my household would have symptoms, though I may not have them myself. " You initially stated "The ironic thing is that people tested today might have caught it during the time between testing and getting their result in a few days. It is only a snapshot and lags behind real time." you were wrong at the very start ... end of | |||
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"So really you’re just a bit peeved with the fact we are being asked to be honest no its another badly run setup by an inept govt that needs debating Easy to book online System goes live, available slots all booked and more released tomorrow - more and more people getting tested . What’s badly run about that. why are they inept for introducing an easy to book online system ? People booked online, got confirmation on the website that they had an appointment , informed they would receive a text within minutes with details then nothing for over 6 hours then a text at the end of the day saying no more appointments available try again tomorrow. What could be better "Admittedly that’s not great . Hopefully that’s been fixed and now the site will only allow the daily quota to actually complete the process and get a confirmation. They should have a word with Travis Perkins web designers as every time I’ve gone on to the Wickes website in the past week I’m put in to a queuing system they have introduced to browse the site and keep it running smoothly   | |||
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"Yep, how dare the government expand the number of tests they are doing like a million and one people here have been moaning that they should be doing. Testing takes time and has limits to the number of people that can be done in one day. If you don't want to accept that, then come up with some magical solution for testing everyone all at the same time, without anyone having to travel. Oh and make sure it's 100% accurate unlike every test that anyone in the world has developed so far. ok a simple answr ... use the capacity thats there 50K i think not under utilise as has been happening by 50% You mean like some sort of website where people can go and book one of the testing slots that are available? Yes, that's the sort of thing. Someone should do that...
I honestly think some people don't understand or can't be bothered to think before they go of on a tirade.......
Or maybe they just lack the capacity to think.
Oh well.......
who are you throwing those accusations at ?
Observations not accusations.
To answer your question;
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"[Removed by poster at 24/04/20 19:17:07]" I read that. You weren't quick enough. So, you ARE having a pop at the government? | |||
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its a fact not an accusation
if you have nothing sensible to say keep quiet "Hummm, pot and kettle me thinks. | |||
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"So really you’re just a bit peeved with the fact we are being asked to be honest no its another badly run setup by an inept govt that needs debating Easy to book online System goes live, available slots all booked and more released tomorrow - more and more people getting tested . What’s badly run about that. why are they inept for introducing an easy to book online system ? People booked online, got confirmation on the website that they had an appointment , informed they would receive a text within minutes with details then nothing for over 6 hours then a text at the end of the day saying no more appointments available try again tomorrow. What could be better
Admittedly that’s not great . Hopefully that’s been fixed and now the site will only allow the daily quota to actually complete the process and get a confirmation.
They should have a word with Travis Perkins web designers as every time I’ve gone on to the Wickes website in the past week I’m put in to a queuing system they have introduced to browse the site and keep it running smoothly "exactly ...why can industry build a site that work's and the govt fails every time | |||
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its a fact not an accusation
if you have nothing sensible to say keep quiet "You might want to take your own advice there. | |||
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" What the hell are you actually complaining about!? You started off moaning because the government opened up more testing to more people and it got filled up. no i didn't read the initial post not make accusations The opening line of your opening post says; "yet another cock-up by the govt" But somehow you're not having a pop at the government?
its a fact not an accusation
if you have nothing sensible to say keep quiet
Hummm, pot and kettle me thinks. "ha ha abuse when you cant think of an intelligent reply grow up | |||
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its a fact not an accusation
if you have nothing sensible to say keep quiet
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"So really you’re just a bit peeved with the fact we are being asked to be honest no its another badly run setup by an inept govt that needs debating Easy to book online System goes live, available slots all booked and more released tomorrow - more and more people getting tested . What’s badly run about that. why are they inept for introducing an easy to book online system ? People booked online, got confirmation on the website that they had an appointment , informed they would receive a text within minutes with details then nothing for over 6 hours then a text at the end of the day saying no more appointments available try again tomorrow. What could be better
Admittedly that’s not great . Hopefully that’s been fixed and now the site will only allow the daily quota to actually complete the process and get a confirmation.
They should have a word with Travis Perkins web designers as every time I’ve gone on to the Wickes website in the past week I’m put in to a queuing system they have introduced to browse the site and keep it running smoothly
exactly ...why can industry build a site that work's and the govt fails every time "Because the industry have done this over the course of years, with goalposts that are well known and don't change unexpectedly by and large from week to week. Or like I said before, should we not offer any extra testing until the website is perfect? | |||
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"So really you’re just a bit peeved with the fact we are being asked to be honest no its another badly run setup by an inept govt that needs debating Easy to book online System goes live, available slots all booked and more released tomorrow - more and more people getting tested . What’s badly run about that. why are they inept for introducing an easy to book online system ? People booked online, got confirmation on the website that they had an appointment , informed they would receive a text within minutes with details then nothing for over 6 hours then a text at the end of the day saying no more appointments available try again tomorrow. What could be better
Admittedly that’s not great . Hopefully that’s been fixed and now the site will only allow the daily quota to actually complete the process and get a confirmation.
They should have a word with Travis Perkins web designers as every time I’ve gone on to the Wickes website in the past week I’m put in to a queuing system they have introduced to browse the site and keep it running smoothly
exactly ...why can industry build a site that work's and the govt fails every time "Who do you think built the site? Someone in government or someone in industry?  | |||
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" No need to be abusive. Look at the phrase: "they or member(s) of their household have coronavirus-like symptoms". That means that a keyworker living with someone who has symptoms. If my daughetr had symptoms then I, as a key worker could be tested because I would match that statement - I, or a member of my household would have symptoms, though I may not have them myself. You initially stated "The ironic thing is that people tested today might have caught it during the time between testing and getting their result in a few days. It is only a snapshot and lags behind real time." you were wrong at the very start ... end of " If you test me right this instant, the results will not be delivered to me for 48 hours. So conceivably in that 48 hours I could come into contact with and contract the virus. So no. I don't believe I am wrong. Unlike you were regarding the issue of testing of people living with those with symptoms. It takes just a moment to be gracious and admit that you misunderstood something. | |||
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"Maybe we wouldn’t be in this position had the government not stopped testing in Feb when they were being told that the threat to the uk was moderate? And we might not be here had the herd immunity strategy not been pursued? Now we are fighting with everyone else for the necessary equipment to make tests instead of being ahead of the game. " well said mark i couldn't say it better myself | |||
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" What the hell are you actually complaining about!? You started off moaning because the government opened up more testing to more people and it got filled up. no i didn't read the initial post not make accusations The opening line of your opening post says; "yet another cock-up by the govt" But somehow you're not having a pop at the government?
its a fact not an accusation
if you have nothing sensible to say keep quiet
Hummm, pot and kettle me thinks.
ha ha abuse when you cant think of an intelligent reply grow up "From someone who just called another poster an idiot. My irony-ometer just blew a fuse. | |||
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" What the hell are you actually complaining about!? You started off moaning because the government opened up more testing to more people and it got filled up. no i didn't read the initial post not make accusations The opening line of your opening post says; "yet another cock-up by the govt" But somehow you're not having a pop at the government?
its a fact not an accusation
if you have nothing sensible to say keep quiet
You might want to take your own advice there.
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"So really you’re just a bit peeved with the fact we are being asked to be honest no its another badly run setup by an inept govt that needs debating Easy to book online System goes live, available slots all booked and more released tomorrow - more and more people getting tested . What’s badly run about that. why are they inept for introducing an easy to book online system ? People booked online, got confirmation on the website that they had an appointment , informed they would receive a text within minutes with details then nothing for over 6 hours then a text at the end of the day saying no more appointments available try again tomorrow. What could be better
Admittedly that’s not great . Hopefully that’s been fixed and now the site will only allow the daily quota to actually complete the process and get a confirmation.
They should have a word with Travis Perkins web designers as every time I’ve gone on to the Wickes website in the past week I’m put in to a queuing system they have introduced to browse the site and keep it running smoothly
exactly ...why can industry build a site that work's and the govt fails every time
Because the industry have done this over the course of years, with goalposts that are well known and don't change unexpectedly by and large from week to week. Or like I said before, should we not offer any extra testing until the website is perfect?"These same people would have been moaning that the government had not reached the target of 100,000 tests a day by the end of the month. | |||
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" What the hell are you actually complaining about!? You started off moaning because the government opened up more testing to more people and it got filled up. no i didn't read the initial post not make accusations The opening line of your opening post says; "yet another cock-up by the govt" But somehow you're not having a pop at the government?
its a fact not an accusation
if you have nothing sensible to say keep quiet
Hummm, pot and kettle me thinks.
ha ha abuse when you cant think of an intelligent reply grow up
From someone who just called another poster an idiot.
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"NOT ASYMPTOMATIC YOU IDIOT" Followed shortly by "ha ha abuse when you cant think of an intelligent reply grow up " Oh the irony | |||
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" No need to be abusive. Look at the phrase: "they or member(s) of their household have coronavirus-like symptoms". That means that a keyworker living with someone who has symptoms. If my daughetr had symptoms then I, as a key worker could be tested because I would match that statement - I, or a member of my household would have symptoms, though I may not have them myself. You initially stated "The ironic thing is that people tested today might have caught it during the time between testing and getting their result in a few days. It is only a snapshot and lags behind real time." you were wrong at the very start ... end of If you test me right this instant, the results will not be delivered to me for 48 hours. So conceivably in that 48 hours I could come into contact with and contract the virus. So no. I don't believe I am wrong. Unlike you were regarding the issue of testing of people living with those with symptoms. It takes just a moment to be gracious and admit that you misunderstood something." your still wrong as your in contact already or shouldn't be going for a test your own evidence states that must be the case | |||
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"NOT ASYMPTOMATIC YOU IDIOT Followed shortly by ha ha abuse when you cant think of an intelligent reply grow up Oh the irony "I've got spare fuses if your irony-ometer just blew one. I bought a pack of 10 after mine went bang the first time. | |||
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" No need to be abusive. Look at the phrase: "they or member(s) of their household have coronavirus-like symptoms". That means that a keyworker living with someone who has symptoms. If my daughetr had symptoms then I, as a key worker could be tested because I would match that statement - I, or a member of my household would have symptoms, though I may not have them myself. You initially stated "The ironic thing is that people tested today might have caught it during the time between testing and getting their result in a few days. It is only a snapshot and lags behind real time." you were wrong at the very start ... end of If you test me right this instant, the results will not be delivered to me for 48 hours. So conceivably in that 48 hours I could come into contact with and contract the virus. So no. I don't believe I am wrong. Unlike you were regarding the issue of testing of people living with those with symptoms. It takes just a moment to be gracious and admit that you misunderstood something." You would surely isolate until you got your results wouldn’t you? I know I would | |||
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" No need to be abusive. Look at the phrase: "they or member(s) of their household have coronavirus-like symptoms". That means that a keyworker living with someone who has symptoms. If my daughetr had symptoms then I, as a key worker could be tested because I would match that statement - I, or a member of my household would have symptoms, though I may not have them myself. You initially stated "The ironic thing is that people tested today might have caught it during the time between testing and getting their result in a few days. It is only a snapshot and lags behind real time." you were wrong at the very start ... end of If you test me right this instant, the results will not be delivered to me for 48 hours. So conceivably in that 48 hours I could come into contact with and contract the virus. So no. I don't believe I am wrong. Unlike you were regarding the issue of testing of people living with those with symptoms. It takes just a moment to be gracious and admit that you misunderstood something. your still wrong as your in contact already or shouldn't be going for a test your own evidence states that must be the case " No. My evidence clearly states that the self referral portal is for key workers who do not have to have symptoms but might be living with someone who has the symptoms: "The self referral portal allows essential workers who are self-isolating either because they or member(s) of their household have coronavirus-like symptoms, to register to be tested". As written in the user guide for the portal. At no stage have I said anything other than that. So. I stand by my original statement that by the time a person gets their test results they may have contracted the virus between the test and being delivered the result. | |||
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" No need to be abusive. Look at the phrase: "they or member(s) of their household have coronavirus-like symptoms". That means that a keyworker living with someone who has symptoms. If my daughetr had symptoms then I, as a key worker could be tested because I would match that statement - I, or a member of my household would have symptoms, though I may not have them myself. You initially stated "The ironic thing is that people tested today might have caught it during the time between testing and getting their result in a few days. It is only a snapshot and lags behind real time." you were wrong at the very start ... end of If you test me right this instant, the results will not be delivered to me for 48 hours. So conceivably in that 48 hours I could come into contact with and contract the virus. So no. I don't believe I am wrong. Unlike you were regarding the issue of testing of people living with those with symptoms. It takes just a moment to be gracious and admit that you misunderstood something. You would surely isolate until you got your results wouldn’t you? I know I would " likewise | |||
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" No need to be abusive. Look at the phrase: "they or member(s) of their household have coronavirus-like symptoms". That means that a keyworker living with someone who has symptoms. If my daughetr had symptoms then I, as a key worker could be tested because I would match that statement - I, or a member of my household would have symptoms, though I may not have them myself. You initially stated "The ironic thing is that people tested today might have caught it during the time between testing and getting their result in a few days. It is only a snapshot and lags behind real time." you were wrong at the very start ... end of If you test me right this instant, the results will not be delivered to me for 48 hours. So conceivably in that 48 hours I could come into contact with and contract the virus. So no. I don't believe I am wrong. Unlike you were regarding the issue of testing of people living with those with symptoms. It takes just a moment to be gracious and admit that you misunderstood something. your still wrong as your in contact already or shouldn't be going for a test your own evidence states that must be the case No. My evidence clearly states that the self referral portal is for key workers who do not have to have symptoms but might be living with someone who has the symptoms: "The self referral portal allows essential workers who are self-isolating either because they or member(s) of their household have coronavirus-like symptoms, to register to be tested". As written in the user guide for the portal. At no stage have I said anything other than that. So. I stand by my original statement that by the time a person gets their test results they may have contracted the virus between the test and being delivered the result. " repeating yourself is not discussion as mark said you should be isolating which would stop transmission wouldn't it | |||
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" No need to be abusive. Look at the phrase: "they or member(s) of their household have coronavirus-like symptoms". That means that a keyworker living with someone who has symptoms. If my daughetr had symptoms then I, as a key worker could be tested because I would match that statement - I, or a member of my household would have symptoms, though I may not have them myself. You initially stated "The ironic thing is that people tested today might have caught it during the time between testing and getting their result in a few days. It is only a snapshot and lags behind real time." you were wrong at the very start ... end of If you test me right this instant, the results will not be delivered to me for 48 hours. So conceivably in that 48 hours I could come into contact with and contract the virus. So no. I don't believe I am wrong. Unlike you were regarding the issue of testing of people living with those with symptoms. It takes just a moment to be gracious and admit that you misunderstood something. your still wrong as your in contact already or shouldn't be going for a test your own evidence states that must be the case No. My evidence clearly states that the self referral portal is for key workers who do not have to have symptoms but might be living with someone who has the symptoms: "The self referral portal allows essential workers who are self-isolating either because they or member(s) of their household have coronavirus-like symptoms, to register to be tested". As written in the user guide for the portal. At no stage have I said anything other than that. So. I stand by my original statement that by the time a person gets their test results they may have contracted the virus between the test and being delivered the result. " The tests carry the same warranty as a car Mot. Valid only at point of issue. | |||
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"You would surely isolate until you got your results wouldn’t you? I know I would " We are fortunate enough that we could isolate members of our household within our own home, but some people are just not that fortunate. A single mum for instance, can not isolate herself from her young children for 48 hours. | |||
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"no there Valid only at point of test only " No, they're not valid at the point of test. How can they be? They're valid when the result of the test is know. | |||
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"They are valid from the result coming back via text" This. | |||
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"goodnight sensible people, sheeple and the rest of you idiots who dont understand a debate when you see one " So are you going or not? And I'm still not clear - are we mass debators? | |||
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"Not wanting to let facts get in the way of a good rant, but has anyone considered that there is a daily capacity of tests that can actually be tested IN A LAB? The finite capacity is not so much the mechanics of taking the test; in the nicest possible way, it doesn't require a great deal of expertise to insert a swab into your nose/throat and stick it back in the plastic tube. However, the tests are not like magic pregnancy type tests, which suddenly ping "positive" at the person administering it. The samples have to be stored adequately, transported (by some people) to a lab, where fairly highly trained people will carry out the actual testing. We can't expand lab capability as quickly as we can roll out swabbing sites because you need trained and qualified people to do the lab work. There has been a huge recruitment drive, requests for secondment from industry, repurposing of research facilities that use similar techniques, but ultimately, if we have to recruit anyone who hasn't done qPCR and associated techniques before, then it takes time to train them. Also the equipment to carry out the tests is pretty specialist, and so it also takes time to equip repurposed labs, tests have been optimised for certain types of equipment and those pieces of equipment are in VERY short supply, being in demand worldwide. And its far more complex machinery than can be doled out on a 3D printer, or reinvented by Dyson overnight. So, just remember who is generating the results and the expertise and equipment they need to do it. " | |||
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"They are valid from the result coming back via text" I think he means that you could give a swab and then go to Sainsbury's and pick up the virus in the next hour. The test results will generate results of the person's Covid-19 status at the time they took the swab. In the 48hrs or so it takes to get results, the person could become infected if they weren't already. In theory. | |||
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"Not wanting to let facts get in the way of a good rant, but has anyone considered that there is a daily capacity of tests that can actually be tested IN A LAB? The finite capacity is not so much the mechanics of taking the test; in the nicest possible way, it doesn't require a great deal of expertise to insert a swab into your nose/throat and stick it back in the plastic tube. However, the tests are not like magic pregnancy type tests, which suddenly ping "positive" at the person administering it. The samples have to be stored adequately, transported (by some people) to a lab, where fairly highly trained people will carry out the actual testing. We can't expand lab capability as quickly as we can roll out swabbing sites because you need trained and qualified people to do the lab work. There has been a huge recruitment drive, requests for secondment from industry, repurposing of research facilities that use similar techniques, but ultimately, if we have to recruit anyone who hasn't done qPCR and associated techniques before, then it takes time to train them. Also the equipment to carry out the tests is pretty specialist, and so it also takes time to equip repurposed labs, tests have been optimised for certain types of equipment and those pieces of equipment are in VERY short supply, being in demand worldwide. And its far more complex machinery than can be doled out on a 3D printer, or reinvented by Dyson overnight. So, just remember who is generating the results and the expertise and equipment they need to do it. " | |||
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"You would surely isolate until you got your results wouldn’t you? I know I would We are fortunate enough that we could isolate members of our household within our own home, but some people are just not that fortunate. A single mum for instance, can not isolate herself from her young children for 48 hours." Where would her young children get infected at the moment? | |||
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"You would surely isolate until you got your results wouldn’t you? I know I would We are fortunate enough that we could isolate members of our household within our own home, but some people are just not that fortunate. A single mum for instance, can not isolate herself from her young children for 48 hours. Where would her young children get infected at the moment? " There are still people being diagnosed on a daily basis, which means there are still routes for transmission. | |||
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"You would surely isolate until you got your results wouldn’t you? I know I would We are fortunate enough that we could isolate members of our household within our own home, but some people are just not that fortunate. A single mum for instance, can not isolate herself from her young children for 48 hours. Where would her young children get infected at the moment? There are still people being diagnosed on a daily basis, which means there are still routes for transmission. " I don’t disagree - but you used the example of the single mother. | |||
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"So really you’re just a bit peeved with the fact we are being asked to be honest no its another badly run setup by an inept govt that needs debating Easy to book online System goes live, available slots all booked and more released tomorrow - more and more people getting tested . What’s badly run about that. why are they inept for introducing an easy to book online system ? People booked online, got confirmation on the website that they had an appointment , informed they would receive a text within minutes with details then nothing for over 6 hours then a text at the end of the day saying no more appointments available try again tomorrow. What could be better
Admittedly that’s not great . Hopefully that’s been fixed and now the site will only allow the daily quota to actually complete the process and get a confirmation.
They should have a word with Travis Perkins web designers as every time I’ve gone on to the Wickes website in the past week I’m put in to a queuing system they have introduced to browse the site and keep it running smoothly "That's where I went wrong then, I'll try DIY. Com tomorrow | |||
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"You would surely isolate until you got your results wouldn’t you? I know I would We are fortunate enough that we could isolate members of our household within our own home, but some people are just not that fortunate. A single mum for instance, can not isolate herself from her young children for 48 hours. Where would her young children get infected at the moment? There are still people being diagnosed on a daily basis, which means there are still routes for transmission. I don’t disagree - but you used the example of the single mother. " OK. So Mum is a keyworker and her child gets symptoms; perhaps the child touched something contaminated with the virus on a trip to the supermarket a few days before, the trolley handle for instance. Or maybe the postie passed it on when he delivered the mail. Five days later the child goes down with symptoms so Mum books a test for the pair of them. Now the child could have spread the virus to any number of surfaces in the preceding days, surfaces that mum may now touch and contract the virus from between the time of the test and the results coming through 48 hours or so later. | |||
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"You would surely isolate until you got your results wouldn’t you? I know I would We are fortunate enough that we could isolate members of our household within our own home, but some people are just not that fortunate. A single mum for instance, can not isolate herself from her young children for 48 hours. Where would her young children get infected at the moment? There are still people being diagnosed on a daily basis, which means there are still routes for transmission. I don’t disagree - but you used the example of the single mother. OK. So Mum is a keyworker and her child gets symptoms; perhaps the child touched something contaminated with the virus on a trip to the supermarket a few days before, the trolley handle for instance. Or maybe the postie passed it on when he delivered the mail. Five days later the child goes down with symptoms so Mum books a test for the pair of them. Now the child could have spread the virus to any number of surfaces in the preceding days, surfaces that mum may now touch and contract the virus from between the time of the test and the results coming through 48 hours or so later. " I’m not sure there’s a down side to testing - better than endless lockdown | |||
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"Correct me if I'm wrong please. Firstly it is open to key workers only. Then the idea of going to get a test is if you are currently showing symptoms of Covid-19 you are isolating but not knowing if it actually Covid-19. Also for those you live with who show the symptoms in which case the whole household would be isolating. Once tested you go home and wait for the result. If anyone is positive you continue the isolation process. If all negative the key worker can return to work? " Spot on | |||
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"Correct me if I'm wrong please. Firstly it is open to key workers only. Then the idea of going to get a test is if you are currently showing symptoms of Covid-19 you are isolating but not knowing if it actually Covid-19. Also for those you live with who show the symptoms in which case the whole household would be isolating. Once tested you go home and wait for the result. If anyone is positive you continue the isolation process. If all negative the key worker can return to work? " The test is for keyworkers and members of their household, not the key worker only. But you are correct in all other ways. | |||
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"You would surely isolate until you got your results wouldn’t you? I know I would We are fortunate enough that we could isolate members of our household within our own home, but some people are just not that fortunate. A single mum for instance, can not isolate herself from her young children for 48 hours. Where would her young children get infected at the moment? There are still people being diagnosed on a daily basis, which means there are still routes for transmission. I don’t disagree - but you used the example of the single mother. OK. So Mum is a keyworker and her child gets symptoms; perhaps the child touched something contaminated with the virus on a trip to the supermarket a few days before, the trolley handle for instance. Or maybe the postie passed it on when he delivered the mail. Five days later the child goes down with symptoms so Mum books a test for the pair of them. Now the child could have spread the virus to any number of surfaces in the preceding days, surfaces that mum may now touch and contract the virus from between the time of the test and the results coming through 48 hours or so later. I’m not sure there’s a down side to testing - better than endless lockdown " 100% agree. There are two nurses, an NHS support worker and a firefighter in our household. We want to be sure we are disease free | |||
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"Correct me if I'm wrong please. Firstly it is open to key workers only. Then the idea of going to get a test is if you are currently showing symptoms of Covid-19 you are isolating but not knowing if it actually Covid-19. Also for those you live with who show the symptoms in which case the whole household would be isolating. Once tested you go home and wait for the result. If anyone is positive you continue the isolation process. If all negative the key worker can return to work? The test is for keyworkers and members of their household, not the key worker only. But you are correct in all other ways. " I thought I said that if not that's what I meant and I apologise for wording it wrong. | |||
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"On the plus side they are also sending out antibody tests now too x that should help a lot x " I really do hope so, although the tests don't appear to be 100% reliable which is a worry. | |||
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"Mass testing allows us to isolate those testing positive and allows those testing negative to carry on with their lives - in theory at least " Until those testing negative catch it. | |||
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"Mass testing allows us to isolate those testing positive and allows those testing negative to carry on with their lives - in theory at least Until those testing negative catch it." Curse that incubation period... | |||
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"On the plus side they are also sending out antibody tests now too x that should help a lot x I really do hope so, although the tests don't appear to be 100% reliable which is a worry." yeah.. that's a worry but... it's a start x | |||
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"Mass testing allows us to isolate those testing positive and allows those testing negative to carry on with their lives - in theory at least Until those testing negative catch it. Curse that incubation period... "I knowwwwww. Who'd a thunk it eh? Despite the wealth of genuine information and advice out there, I'm genuinely amazed at how ill informed some people still are. | |||
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" NHS staff that are suspected of having it are sometimes tested where they work, if they are already self isolating they are referred to a test center if it's relatively near. They take priority as they cannot treat patients if their status is unknown. noone said priority doesn't matter just ability to predict capacity should be possible ever had an emergency appt at doctor or dentist they seem to manage to preempt emergencies or allocate capacity at least " Are you really comparing fitting in a one off emergency appointment at your local dentist with predicting how many people need a Covid 19 test and accomodating every single person? This thread has at least cheered me up no end. Thanks OP. | |||
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" You mean like some sort of website where people can go and book one of the testing slots that are available? see the gov website "Coronavirus test: capacity reached for today" what about booking for tomorrow next week etc etc oh that doesn't count in your world does it only now obviously you only book a holiday your going in this minute etc and large scale databases dont exist " You do understand the theory that you get infected, show symptoms, get better, all possible within two weeks ? Do you want people to get tested in two weeks time in case they get infected next week or you want them tested after they recover ? | |||
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"yet another cock-up by the govt 1. lets setup a site to allow key workers & family members of key workers to get tested ... great 2. the site gets overwhelmed within minutes and shuts down applications ... predictable 3. the govt admits there are no validity checks on whos asking for tests we just "Hope " your all being honest and good citizens lol ... that's just f**king stupid Good job that your alternative of "Corbyn" didn't get in to power! If he had got in to power and then contracted Corona like Boris did, you would have Diane Abbot running the show!
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"Mass testing allows us to isolate those testing positive and allows those testing negative to carry on with their lives - in theory at least Until those testing negative catch it." If they are only coming into contact with other people who are negative then how will they catch it? | |||
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"Mass testing allows us to isolate those testing positive and allows those testing negative to carry on with their lives - in theory at least Until those testing negative catch it. Curse that incubation period...
I knowwwwww. Who'd a thunk it eh?
Despite the wealth of genuine information and advice out there, I'm genuinely amazed at how ill informed some people still are.
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"Mass testing allows us to isolate those testing positive and allows those testing negative to carry on with their lives - in theory at least Until those testing negative catch it. If they are only coming into contact with other people who are negative then how will they catch it? " because it's a bit like a test for sexually transmitted diseases.... it's only good for a few days prior to the test. You could have caught it on your way.. or catch it on your way home etc | |||
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"Mass testing allows us to isolate those testing positive and allows those testing negative to carry on with their lives - in theory at least Until those testing negative catch it. If they are only coming into contact with other people who are negative then how will they catch it? " At the beginning of the infection you can result negative but you already have the virus in your body and become positive after few days, without being exposed again. | |||
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"Wonder how many are booking or trying to book tests without symptoms? This testing is pointless unless you are unwell and needing confirmation. However I do think the government bashing needs to stop, 2 days there was no way of trying to book a test, 2 weeks ago we were nowhere near 51,000 available slots for testing. 51,000 slots is only 0.07% of uk population, 10 million key workers = 15% of uk population possibly trying to book tests. Have some patience and understanding. Testing centres cant be at the end if everyones road. They need to be in out of the way places, would you want 100's of covid possible people queuing past your front door?" they are asking people to test even if asymptomatic and another house hold member has symptoms. | |||
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"On the plus side they are also sending out antibody tests now too x that should help a lot x " Is there a government press release stating that ? Just asking because I get them emailed to me and I don't remember that one | |||
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"Wonder how many are booking or trying to book tests without symptoms? This testing is pointless unless you are unwell and needing confirmation. However I do think the government bashing needs to stop, 2 days there was no way of trying to book a test, 2 weeks ago we were nowhere near 51,000 available slots for testing. 51,000 slots is only 0.07% of uk population, 10 million key workers = 15% of uk population possibly trying to book tests. Have some patience and understanding. Testing centres cant be at the end if everyones road. They need to be in out of the way places, would you want 100's of covid possible people queuing past your front door? they are asking people to test even if asymptomatic and another house hold member has symptoms. " Which is fair enough, but is it any good? Someone in your house has covid-19, you'll go for a test, out of say 5 of you 3 test positive, 2 negative. Then you have to stay at home for the rest of your isolation, are you still negative? Do you go for another test? Do you go back to work? I'm a key worker, still working, each year I get hayfever symptoms and cold around this time of year. Do I go and get a test? I have a cough (non continuous) no fever, runny nose, sneezing....all now apparently could be symptoms. No I dont go and get a test, but I wonder how many are. | |||
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"On the plus side they are also sending out antibody tests now too x that should help a lot x Is there a government press release stating that ? Just asking because I get them emailed to me and I don't remember that one" it's been on every news outlet and answered in some of the recent briefings... it was definately said on the same day as the addition tests were mentioned | |||
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"On the plus side they are also sending out antibody tests now too x that should help a lot x Is there a government press release stating that ? Just asking because I get them emailed to me and I don't remember that one it's been on every news outlet and answered in some of the recent briefings... it was definately said on the same day as the addition tests were mentioned " That they are sending them out ? | |||
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"On the plus side they are also sending out antibody tests now too x that should help a lot x Is there a government press release stating that ? Just asking because I get them emailed to me and I don't remember that one it's been on every news outlet and answered in some of the recent briefings... it was definately said on the same day as the addition tests were mentioned " The Government had been hoping to roll out millions of antibody tests in the coming weeks, but supplies from China have so far failed to pass sensitivity and specificity tests. Ministers will attempt to recoup taxpayers' money spent on the fingerprick tests after an Oxford University trial found they returned inaccurate results. The failure is a significant setback because it had been hoped the antibody tests would show who had already built up immunity, therefore offering a swifter route out of lockdown. Last week, however, Professor Karol Sikora, a private oncologist and Dean of Medicine at the University of Buckingham, validated a test kit using samples from staff at his clinics, which were then verified by a private lab. Around six per cent of staff were found to have had the virus but, crucially, under-40s who had tested positive came back negative, suggesting the test may not be useful for the wider population. | |||
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"On the plus side they are also sending out antibody tests now too x that should help a lot x Is there a government press release stating that ? Just asking because I get them emailed to me and I don't remember that one it's been on every news outlet and answered in some of the recent briefings... it was definately said on the same day as the addition tests were mentioned That they are sending them out ?" yes they said sending them out https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-begins-large-scale-virus-infection-and-antibody-test-study | |||
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"Tried booking an appointment again today, total fucking shambles 08:30 applied online at gov.uk 11am received text from gov.uk inviting to book a time slot Chose test centre which stated 3 available slots in the next 5 days but every day said none available right upto a week on Monday Other test centres 35 to 100 miles away All the same... Inept website and allocation design Fucking useless, either I'll be fucking dead or the virus will be dead by the time I'd get my essential worker covid-19 test for me and my family I'm not fucking bothering again now and I'll remember how magnificent this has been organised come next General Election "Are you personally or any manner of family you live with symptomatic? | |||
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"Sorry you're confused They aren't sending out anti body tests, they're sending out swabs to a select group of people as part of a study. These swabs will be tested for the virus not anti bodies Participants will provide samples taken from self-administered nose and throat swabs and answer a few short questions during a home visit by a trained health worker. The swab tests will show whether or not participants currently have the virus. They will be asked to take further tests every week for the first 5 weeks, then every month for 12 months. In total, 25,000 people will take part in the pilot phase of the survey, with plans to extend it to up to around 300,000 over the next 12 months. Adults from around 1,000 households will also provide a blood sample taken by a trained nurse, phlebotomist or healthcare assistant. These tests will help determine what proportion of the population has developed antibodies to COVID-19. Participants will be asked to give further samples monthly for the next 12 months. " they are still sending them out. Its not part of the same test regime but are sending them out. | |||
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"Sorry you're confused They aren't sending out anti body tests, they're sending out swabs to a select group of people as part of a study. These swabs will be tested for the virus not anti bodies Participants will provide samples taken from self-administered nose and throat swabs and answer a few short questions during a home visit by a trained health worker. The swab tests will show whether or not participants currently have the virus. They will be asked to take further tests every week for the first 5 weeks, then every month for 12 months. In total, 25,000 people will take part in the pilot phase of the survey, with plans to extend it to up to around 300,000 over the next 12 months. Adults from around 1,000 households will also provide a blood sample taken by a trained nurse, phlebotomist or healthcare assistant. These tests will help determine what proportion of the population has developed antibodies to COVID-19. Participants will be asked to give further samples monthly for the next 12 months. they are still sending them out. Its not part of the same test regime but are sending them out. " They aren't sending out anti body tests .. nobody is I give up lol | |||
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"Mass testing allows us to isolate those testing positive and allows those testing negative to carry on with their lives - in theory at least Until those testing negative catch it. If they are only coming into contact with other people who are negative then how will they catch it? At the beginning of the infection you can result negative but you already have the virus in your body and become positive after few days, without being exposed again." I’d rather that than the pot luck we are living with now. As any good epidemiologist would tell you, testing reduces the risk. It does eliminate it, but it does mitigate it. Until the point we have a vaccine (if that ever happens) this is our best bet. | |||
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"Mass testing allows us to isolate those testing positive and allows those testing negative to carry on with their lives - in theory at least Until those testing negative catch it. If they are only coming into contact with other people who are negative then how will they catch it? At the beginning of the infection you can result negative but you already have the virus in your body and become positive after few days, without being exposed again. I’d rather that than the pot luck we are living with now. As any good epidemiologist would tell you, testing reduces the risk. It does eliminate it, but it does mitigate it. Until the point we have a vaccine (if that ever happens) this is our best bet. " Should say it does not eliminate it | |||
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