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"Given where just about every country on the plant to a greater or lesser extent is today, it appears for human sustainability to flourish certain behaviours and expectations have to change. My thoughts on some are, and for clarity they don’t necessarily apply to just CV-19: 1. Reduce/stop deforestation and take-up of natural habitat -provide adequate separation of humans and naturalised species. 2. Governments must cooperate globally and without barriers to better manage human health concerns for example but not limited to: share health related information, identify new risks to health, manage outbreaks and prevent transmission. 3. Cease the introduction of exotic fauna based foods into the human food chain. 4. Globally educate and test on the risks of uncontrolled and unsafe food preparation. 5. Introduce internationally consistent licensing and monitoring standards for all human food handling activities. 6. Limit human international travel (particularly by air and cruise liners) and accept that stringent health checks to ensure being ‘fit to travel’ may prevent departure. " So nuke china then | |||
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"Given where just about every country on the plant to a greater or lesser extent is today, it appears for human sustainability to flourish certain behaviours and expectations have to change. My thoughts on some are, and for clarity they don’t necessarily apply to just CV-19: 1. Reduce/stop deforestation and take-up of natural habitat -provide adequate separation of humans and naturalised species. 2. Governments must cooperate globally and without barriers to better manage human health concerns for example but not limited to: share health related information, identify new risks to health, manage outbreaks and prevent transmission. 3. Cease the introduction of exotic fauna based foods into the human food chain. 4. Globally educate and test on the risks of uncontrolled and unsafe food preparation. 5. Introduce internationally consistent licensing and monitoring standards for all human food handling activities. 6. Limit human international travel (particularly by air and cruise liners) and accept that stringent health checks to ensure being ‘fit to travel’ may prevent departure. " Who sets these standards then? Who decides what's exotic? Who decides on what exactly is safe food preparation? How do you make Countries that disagree comply, who inforces that decision? Other than that yeah its doable  | |||
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"You’ll probably find that some cultures find our eating cattle barbaric." They can think what they want but the fact remains that some species are worse than others for disease risk | |||
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"Given where just about every country on the plant to a greater or lesser extent is today, it appears for human sustainability to flourish certain behaviours and expectations have to change. My thoughts on some are, and for clarity they don’t necessarily apply to just CV-19: 1. Reduce/stop deforestation and take-up of natural habitat -provide adequate separation of humans and naturalised species. 2. Governments must cooperate globally and without barriers to better manage human health concerns for example but not limited to: share health related information, identify new risks to health, manage outbreaks and prevent transmission. 3. Cease the introduction of exotic fauna based foods into the human food chain. 4. Globally educate and test on the risks of uncontrolled and unsafe food preparation. 5. Introduce internationally consistent licensing and monitoring standards for all human food handling activities. 6. Limit human international travel (particularly by air and cruise liners) and accept that stringent health checks to ensure being ‘fit to travel’ may prevent departure. Who sets these standards then? Who decides what's exotic? Who decides on what exactly is safe food preparation? How do you make Countries that disagree comply, who inforces that decision? Other than that yeah its doable "The points you make are relevant but somewhat downstream of the overarching point, that global agreement for change is needed in the first instance. If civilisation is content to maintain the status quo then the experience we are having now and all end of unknowns to come will keep repeating themselves and with greater frequency as well as intensity. The global challenge is to come together on the key issues affecting human health ..... Also please note I am stopping short of suggesting a global love-in here but do believe human health is a cross-border matter that now demands new behaviours and expectations. Comparable to the air we breathe and the water we drink, nobody owns them but collectively we are taking early steps to maintain their quality and their supply to everyone... | |||
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"Automatic shut down of global transport systems and quarantining all returning home until it has been dealt with locally or a chance to take stock of the effects. Not popular but many lives may have been saved, not withstanding the economies and the years of misery and loss this one is going to cause. Now that is looking likely the virus entered both the UK and US as well as Europe mid to late January. " Well before then buddy, cases were confirmed in January. I know people who probably had it in December. Of course I can't prove that because there were no coronavirus tests then, but I'm convinced. | |||
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"Given where just about every country on the plant to a greater or lesser extent is today, it appears for human sustainability to flourish certain behaviours and expectations have to change. My thoughts on some are, and for clarity they don’t necessarily apply to just CV-19: 1. Reduce/stop deforestation and take-up of natural habitat -provide adequate separation of humans and naturalised species. 2. Governments must cooperate globally and without barriers to better manage human health concerns for example but not limited to: share health related information, identify new risks to health, manage outbreaks and prevent transmission. 3. Cease the introduction of exotic fauna based foods into the human food chain. 4. Globally educate and test on the risks of uncontrolled and unsafe food preparation. 5. Introduce internationally consistent licensing and monitoring standards for all human food handling activities. 6. Limit human international travel (particularly by air and cruise liners) and accept that stringent health checks to ensure being ‘fit to travel’ may prevent departure. " Why not put the tooth fairy in charge | |||
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"You’ll probably find that some cultures find our eating cattle barbaric." Others cultures do not accept the consumption of bacon or alcohol.. As others have said, who is to be the global arbitrator to state what is right and what is wrong? | |||
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"You’ll probably find that some cultures find our eating cattle barbaric. Others cultures do not accept the consumption of bacon or alcohol.. As others have said, who is to be the global arbitrator to state what is right and what is wrong? " When did alcohol crash the world economy  | |||
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"You’ll probably find that some cultures find our eating cattle barbaric. Others cultures do not accept the consumption of bacon or alcohol.. As others have said, who is to be the global arbitrator to state what is right and what is wrong? " Clearly there isn’t a ‘global arbitration facility’ as of today. But the circumstances of now demand we either accept a repetitive and increasingly intense pandemic style of events (such as CV-19), or the global community engages across borders in a manner to protect health as well as other key resources such as air that we breathe or water to drink. Note, I’m not advocating an entire review of global governance but believe that a global system of health management is needed to prevent the crisis conditions happening right now from repeating themselves in the future. | |||
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"Automatic shut down of global transport systems and quarantining all returning home until it has been dealt with locally or a chance to take stock of the effects. Not popular but many lives may have been saved, not withstanding the economies and the years of misery and loss this one is going to cause. Now that is looking likely the virus entered both the UK and US as well as Europe mid to late January. Well before then buddy, cases were confirmed in January. I know people who probably had it in December. Of course I can't prove that because there were no coronavirus tests then, but I'm convinced. " If there where cases earlier why did increased cases of respiratory illness not show up earlier? People get ill every day every year, long before CV19 appeared. I have in my life had very very nasty, proper fked me up for months flu, twice, now I know 100% those illnesses were not covid19. If i had been having one of those cases of flu this year rather than 10 years ago then without a test I too would be 100% convinced my illness is Covid 19 when there is a 99.9% probability it wasn’t. All the science shows we are no more than 3% of the UK population infected now and probably still below 2%. | |||
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"You’ll probably find that some cultures find our eating cattle barbaric. Others cultures do not accept the consumption of bacon or alcohol.. As others have said, who is to be the global arbitrator to state what is right and what is wrong? When did alcohol crash the world economy "When did eating cattle crash the world economy? | |||
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" Clearly there isn’t a ‘global arbitration facility’ as of today. But the circumstances of now demand we either accept a repetitive and increasingly intense pandemic style of events (such as CV-19), or the global community engages across borders in a manner to protect health as well as other key resources such as air that we breathe or water to drink. Note, I’m not advocating an entire review of global governance but believe that a global system of health management is needed to prevent the crisis conditions happening right now from repeating themselves in the future." Is this not the whole reason for the existence of the WHO? | |||
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"You’ll probably find that some cultures find our eating cattle barbaric. Others cultures do not accept the consumption of bacon or alcohol.. As others have said, who is to be the global arbitrator to state what is right and what is wrong? When did alcohol crash the world economy
When did eating cattle crash the world economy?"Hence why people who think eating cows and drinking alcohol is as bad as fucking around with bats and pangolins are fucking idiots | |||
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"Automatic shut down of global transport systems and quarantining all returning home until it has been dealt with locally or a chance to take stock of the effects. Not popular but many lives may have been saved, not withstanding the economies and the years of misery and loss this one is going to cause. Now that is looking likely the virus entered both the UK and US as well as Europe mid to late January. Well before then buddy, cases were confirmed in January. I know people who probably had it in December. Of course I can't prove that because there were no coronavirus tests then, but I'm convinced. If there where cases earlier why did increased cases of respiratory illness not show up earlier? People get ill every day every year, long before CV19 appeared. I have in my life had very very nasty, proper fked me up for months flu, twice, now I know 100% those illnesses were not covid19. If i had been having one of those cases of flu this year rather than 10 years ago then without a test I too would be 100% convinced my illness is Covid 19 when there is a 99.9% probability it wasn’t. All the science shows we are no more than 3% of the UK population infected now and probably still below 2%. " Not sure what you're asking really. Coronavirus traces back to confirmed cases in November and there's direct flights between wuhan and London. You think it really took 2 months to make that trip!? | |||
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"Given where just about every country on the plant to a greater or lesser extent is today, it appears for human sustainability to flourish certain behaviours and expectations have to change. My thoughts on some are, and for clarity they don’t necessarily apply to just CV-19: 1. Reduce/stop deforestation and take-up of natural habitat -provide adequate separation of humans and naturalised species. 2. Governments must cooperate globally and without barriers to better manage human health concerns for example but not limited to: share health related information, identify new risks to health, manage outbreaks and prevent transmission. 3. Cease the introduction of exotic fauna based foods into the human food chain. 4. Globally educate and test on the risks of uncontrolled and unsafe food preparation. 5. Introduce internationally consistent licensing and monitoring standards for all human food handling activities. 6. Limit human international travel (particularly by air and cruise liners) and accept that stringent health checks to ensure being ‘fit to travel’ may prevent departure. " No 2..but it's getting a consensus isnt it? Especially with that lunatic over the pond. Makes absolute sense to have some international cooperation but human beings are inherently selfish. | |||
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" Clearly there isn’t a ‘global arbitration facility’ as of today. But the circumstances of now demand we either accept a repetitive and increasingly intense pandemic style of events (such as CV-19), or the global community engages across borders in a manner to protect health as well as other key resources such as air that we breathe or water to drink. Note, I’m not advocating an entire review of global governance but believe that a global system of health management is needed to prevent the crisis conditions happening right now from repeating themselves in the future. Is this not the whole reason for the existence of the WHO?" The WHO represents signatory nations only and even only offers leadership through guidance and coordination of expertise. It is an important aspect of what is needed going forward but it stops way short of what is actually required to prevent global pandemics reoccurring. CV-19 is, an unfortunate example of where the WHO has not been able to sufficiently influence global action to prevent what we have today.... | |||
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"Automatic shut down of global transport systems and quarantining all returning home until it has been dealt with locally or a chance to take stock of the effects. Not popular but many lives may have been saved, not withstanding the economies and the years of misery and loss this one is going to cause. Now that is looking likely the virus entered both the UK and US as well as Europe mid to late January. Well before then buddy, cases were confirmed in January. I know people who probably had it in December. Of course I can't prove that because there were no coronavirus tests then, but I'm convinced. If there where cases earlier why did increased cases of respiratory illness not show up earlier? People get ill every day every year, long before CV19 appeared. I have in my life had very very nasty, proper fked me up for months flu, twice, now I know 100% those illnesses were not covid19. If i had been having one of those cases of flu this year rather than 10 years ago then without a test I too would be 100% convinced my illness is Covid 19 when there is a 99.9% probability it wasn’t. All the science shows we are no more than 3% of the UK population infected now and probably still below 2%. Not sure what you're asking really. Coronavirus traces back to confirmed cases in November and there's direct flights between wuhan and London. You think it really took 2 months to make that trip!? " The flip side of that is that given people are dying within weeks of contracting it, but we didnt see this upsurge in hospital admission and deaths til feb/ march, if it was here in November do you really think it lay silent for 3 months | |||
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"Automatic shut down of global transport systems and quarantining all returning home until it has been dealt with locally or a chance to take stock of the effects. Not popular but many lives may have been saved, not withstanding the economies and the years of misery and loss this one is going to cause. Now that is looking likely the virus entered both the UK and US as well as Europe mid to late January. Well before then buddy, cases were confirmed in January. I know people who probably had it in December. Of course I can't prove that because there were no coronavirus tests then, but I'm convinced. If there where cases earlier why did increased cases of respiratory illness not show up earlier? People get ill every day every year, long before CV19 appeared. I have in my life had very very nasty, proper fked me up for months flu, twice, now I know 100% those illnesses were not covid19. If i had been having one of those cases of flu this year rather than 10 years ago then without a test I too would be 100% convinced my illness is Covid 19 when there is a 99.9% probability it wasn’t. All the science shows we are no more than 3% of the UK population infected now and probably still below 2%. Not sure what you're asking really. Coronavirus traces back to confirmed cases in November and there's direct flights between wuhan and London. You think it really took 2 months to make that trip!? " It’s possible but if there where earlier cases it would be a handful of people in a population of 66 million... if you know more than 1 of them I would say you have very unlucky friends | |||
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"Automatic shut down of global transport systems and quarantining all returning home until it has been dealt with locally or a chance to take stock of the effects. Not popular but many lives may have been saved, not withstanding the economies and the years of misery and loss this one is going to cause. Now that is looking likely the virus entered both the UK and US as well as Europe mid to late January. Well before then buddy, cases were confirmed in January. I know people who probably had it in December. Of course I can't prove that because there were no coronavirus tests then, but I'm convinced. If there where cases earlier why did increased cases of respiratory illness not show up earlier? People get ill every day every year, long before CV19 appeared. I have in my life had very very nasty, proper fked me up for months flu, twice, now I know 100% those illnesses were not covid19. If i had been having one of those cases of flu this year rather than 10 years ago then without a test I too would be 100% convinced my illness is Covid 19 when there is a 99.9% probability it wasn’t. All the science shows we are no more than 3% of the UK population infected now and probably still below 2%. Not sure what you're asking really. Coronavirus traces back to confirmed cases in November and there's direct flights between wuhan and London. You think it really took 2 months to make that trip!? The flip side of that is that given people are dying within weeks of contracting it, but we didnt see this upsurge in hospital admission and deaths til feb/ march, if it was here in November do you really think it lay silent for 3 months " Not silent. An exponential curve takes a while to get going to levels that make us pay attention and the real death rate for this thing is about 0.6%. I think a lot of people have had it and don't know, the deaths were passed off as flu and other things. We expect to see around 1,700 people die every day so I think it takes a while to get noticed. | |||
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"Automatic shut down of global transport systems and quarantining all returning home until it has been dealt with locally or a chance to take stock of the effects. Not popular but many lives may have been saved, not withstanding the economies and the years of misery and loss this one is going to cause. Now that is looking likely the virus entered both the UK and US as well as Europe mid to late January. Well before then buddy, cases were confirmed in January. I know people who probably had it in December. Of course I can't prove that because there were no coronavirus tests then, but I'm convinced. If there where cases earlier why did increased cases of respiratory illness not show up earlier? People get ill every day every year, long before CV19 appeared. I have in my life had very very nasty, proper fked me up for months flu, twice, now I know 100% those illnesses were not covid19. If i had been having one of those cases of flu this year rather than 10 years ago then without a test I too would be 100% convinced my illness is Covid 19 when there is a 99.9% probability it wasn’t. All the science shows we are no more than 3% of the UK population infected now and probably still below 2%. Not sure what you're asking really. Coronavirus traces back to confirmed cases in November and there's direct flights between wuhan and London. You think it really took 2 months to make that trip!? It’s possible but if there where earlier cases it would be a handful of people in a population of 66 million... if you know more than 1 of them I would say you have very unlucky friends " I visited (what is now) one of the worst effected parts of Europe so that's how I know them. I admit my chances of knowing them randomly are as you say. | |||
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"Automatic shut down of global transport systems and quarantining all returning home until it has been dealt with locally or a chance to take stock of the effects. Not popular but many lives may have been saved, not withstanding the economies and the years of misery and loss this one is going to cause. Now that is looking likely the virus entered both the UK and US as well as Europe mid to late January. Well before then buddy, cases were confirmed in January. I know people who probably had it in December. Of course I can't prove that because there were no coronavirus tests then, but I'm convinced. If there where cases earlier why did increased cases of respiratory illness not show up earlier? People get ill every day every year, long before CV19 appeared. I have in my life had very very nasty, proper fked me up for months flu, twice, now I know 100% those illnesses were not covid19. If i had been having one of those cases of flu this year rather than 10 years ago then without a test I too would be 100% convinced my illness is Covid 19 when there is a 99.9% probability it wasn’t. All the science shows we are no more than 3% of the UK population infected now and probably still below 2%. Not sure what you're asking really. Coronavirus traces back to confirmed cases in November and there's direct flights between wuhan and London. You think it really took 2 months to make that trip!? The flip side of that is that given people are dying within weeks of contracting it, but we didnt see this upsurge in hospital admission and deaths til feb/ march, if it was here in November do you really think it lay silent for 3 months Not silent. An exponential curve takes a while to get going to levels that make us pay attention and the real death rate for this thing is about 0.6%. I think a lot of people have had it and don't know, the deaths were passed off as flu and other things. We expect to see around 1,700 people die every day so I think it takes a while to get noticed. " I think given how contagious it is , if we were mistaking it for flu or similar, too many health workers would have contracted it from treating patients without the proper precautions for it to go unnoticed even if the exponential curve was taking longer to impact wider society | |||
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"Automatic shut down of global transport systems and quarantining all returning home until it has been dealt with locally or a chance to take stock of the effects. Not popular but many lives may have been saved, not withstanding the economies and the years of misery and loss this one is going to cause. Now that is looking likely the virus entered both the UK and US as well as Europe mid to late January. Well before then buddy, cases were confirmed in January. I know people who probably had it in December. Of course I can't prove that because there were no coronavirus tests then, but I'm convinced. If there where cases earlier why did increased cases of respiratory illness not show up earlier? People get ill every day every year, long before CV19 appeared. I have in my life had very very nasty, proper fked me up for months flu, twice, now I know 100% those illnesses were not covid19. If i had been having one of those cases of flu this year rather than 10 years ago then without a test I too would be 100% convinced my illness is Covid 19 when there is a 99.9% probability it wasn’t. All the science shows we are no more than 3% of the UK population infected now and probably still below 2%. Not sure what you're asking really. Coronavirus traces back to confirmed cases in November and there's direct flights between wuhan and London. You think it really took 2 months to make that trip!? The flip side of that is that given people are dying within weeks of contracting it, but we didnt see this upsurge in hospital admission and deaths til feb/ march, if it was here in November do you really think it lay silent for 3 months Not silent. An exponential curve takes a while to get going to levels that make us pay attention and the real death rate for this thing is about 0.6%. I think a lot of people have had it and don't know, the deaths were passed off as flu and other things. We expect to see around 1,700 people die every day so I think it takes a while to get noticed. I think given how contagious it is , if we were mistaking it for flu or similar, too many health workers would have contracted it from treating patients without the proper precautions for it to go unnoticed even if the exponential curve was taking longer to impact wider society " I do get what you're saying but I can't unsee what I've seen with my own eyes. As I say, I was in (what is now) one of the worst effected parts of europe and I saw people getting "flu" that never get flu. Lots of them. | |||
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