FabSwingers.com forum: Virus tracking and technology

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Listening to the radio, talk of contact tracing systems via phone apps and location tracking. Will give us more freedom but we may have to give away privacy. It's worked in South Korea, would we be comfortable with that here??

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doubt if d@@g dealers would turn on their Bluetooth

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you have to answer that question by thinking about the implications.

You are in a shopping queue and the old dear in front is taking ages and your phone goes off or You've accidently strayed near someone as you've sat in the cafe or dancing at the local walkabout for more than 15 mins. What do you do. Self Isolate or turn a blind eye. Trouble is the central computer has logged you and you will get a stern warning to self isolate. But you haven't got any symptoms. It would only work if we all played it by the rules as usual.

Singapore has tried it and people there obviously see it as an intrusion of privacy. The take up has only been 20%. What does that tell you about a voluntary app ?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Yes it's a worthy, temporary trade of liberty for the benefit. I'd download it and use it.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Listening to the radio, talk of contact tracing systems via phone apps and location tracking. Will give us more freedom but we may have to give away privacy. It's worked in South Korea, would we be comfortable with that here??"

kinda.... the actual system in itself would be anonymous in that they wouldn't know who you were individually...

basically you would register your phone and details... and if you were in close contact someone else who registered, who then was found to have Covid, then you would get an alert to suggest it would be worth getting checked yourself.....

it wouldn't tell you who is was or give you some sort of phone number clue...

me personally.... anything that is going to us get out and about is going to be worth a compromise on a tiny bit of privacy , in this case its not different to having the GPS on your phone on anyway

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As long as there is

A. No way the data can be accessed otherwise I would have to leave my phone at home for certain club visits!

B. That you could get a test if it showed you had been at risk. Otherwise someone pisses about and puts a fake positive in and you end up isolating for no reason.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *emmabTV/TS
over a year ago

Brighton

Population tracking would only work if there is accessible, accurate and rapid testing on demand.

You get a warning of a case in an area the you have been in, you get tested ASAP and then you have 1 or 2 more tests over the next 7 days.

We really must sort out the the testing regime in the UK.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As long as there is

A. No way the data can be accessed otherwise I would have to leave my phone at home for certain club visits!

B. That you could get a test if it showed you had been at risk. Otherwise someone pisses about and puts a fake positive in and you end up isolating for no reason.

What club visits?....even with this kind of tech the clubs wont be opening any time this year....

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Population tracking would only work if there is accessible, accurate and rapid testing on demand.

You get a warning of a case in an area the you have been in, you get tested ASAP and then you have 1 or 2 more tests over the next 7 days.

We really must sort out the the testing regime in the UK. "

It's definitely only gonna work if our testing capability is improved

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

kinda.... the actual system in itself would be anonymous in that they wouldn't know who you were individually...

it wouldn't tell you who is was or give you some sort of phone number clue...

me personally.... anything that is going to us get out and about is going to be worth a compromise on a tiny bit of privacy , in this case its not different to having the GPS on your phone on anyway"

I think you are right Fabio, gotta give some stuff to get through this

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The fear of lack of privacy is a like a bucketful of sand. Big brother can already trace your mobile phone whereabouts or your car GPS whereabouts.

The papers spread nonsense and paranoia about data leaks.

If Ivan from the east wants to see my medical records then go ahead chum. I am sure he will be fascinated by my skin rash.

They already know anything they want about us. Don't be fools peoples. Just type in the B word on here and they will check you out as sure as a hill of beans ..

It matters to me not a jot

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Contact tracing teams have been around in the uk for some time but were stopped a month or so ago. We need them reestablished, supplemented with more people, as our primary tracing facility, possibly augmented by technology. If we continue 2 metres distancing and hygiene measures, we will probably largely spend 10-15 minutes very close to people who we know anyway, for the foreseeable future.

We need to redress our dismal testing resources. All NHS, care and core staff need frequent regular testing and the public needs high volume testing programmes, especially in virus hot spots that emerge.

You probably need in excess of 60%, probably 80%, to use the tech and always have it active with a powered phone, to have useful a tool. Many will need smartphones that they don't have or understand, as well as the income to pay to buy and run them.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

And people glued to their screens even more than usual...

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Could it lead to possible physical attacks if people get too close and the phone beeps..

This development is very very worrying

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"Could it lead to possible physical attacks if people get too close and the phone beeps..

This development is very very worrying"

Lol

The idea is that IF someone tests positive then everyone they were in close contact with gets an alert through the app.

Your phone won't publically shame you

If someone doesn't want traced don't leave home, app or no app you're being traced

Facial recognition

Apnr

Credit card

Loyalty card

Finger prints

Dna

If someone wants to know about you they will find out, no hiding nowadays

Of course some "single men" will be troubled lol

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

That's a relief but still could lead to an unwanted attack. You pop out for a loaf of bread and ten minutes later the app says that you were in the proximity of a super spreader. You don protective clothing and lay a trap for the baker.. he gets biffed (it's usually a he) then you remember you stopped for petrol before visiting the bakery.. very concerning.. could lead to mistaken identity ...

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

France are trying to pressurise google and apple to make it possible for them to identify people that from the contact notification. So the next thing is that if you have been told to isolate and the phone detects that you have left your home location you will automatically be fined.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Never trust the frogs...

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

[Removed by poster at 23/04/20 17:10:50]

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Never trust the frogs..."

Straight from the front page of the sun

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Bloody hell.. is it in the Sun too.. more to this story than meets the eye..

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds like a means of raising funds via fines.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Never trust the frogs...

Straight from the front page of the sun"

I actually like the Sun.. it's part of our heritage ..

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Never trust the frogs...

Straight from the front page of the sun

I actually like the Sun.. it's part of our heritage .."

It's a poisonous lying rag but each to their own.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ighlander80884Man
over a year ago

Inverness

Look at Google maps or whatever is on apple, it's knows where you are and have been for years. Facebook knows where you are too that's even before you check yourself in anyway.

The mobile phone companies know where you are as long as you are in range.

If you don't want anyone to know where you are you need to switch off your phone, haven't you watched Hunted

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

Currently apps can only monitor bluetooth when the user has the app open on the screen. Google and apple are making it possible to monitor bluetooth in the background but the app has to confirm to the privacy rules. France don't want adhere to the privacy rules.

The next thing they will ask for is to prevent Bluetooth from being completely off.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Never trust the frogs...

Straight from the front page of the sun

I actually like the Sun.. it's part of our heritage ..

It's a poisonous lying rag but each to their own."

Evidence?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Look at Google maps or whatever is on apple, it's knows where you are and have been for years. Facebook knows where you are too that's even before you check yourself in anyway.

The mobile phone companies know where you are as long as you are in range.

If you don't want anyone to know where you are you need to switch off your phone, haven't you watched Hunted

And don't drive a car with satnav..

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Look at Google maps or whatever is on apple, it's knows where you are and have been for years. Facebook knows where you are too that's even before you check yourself in anyway.

The mobile phone companies know where you are as long as you are in range.

If you don't want anyone to know where you are you need to switch off your phone, haven't you watched Hunted

And don't drive a car with satnav.. "

... and wrap yourself up in kitchen foil

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Yes it's a worthy, temporary trade of liberty for the benefit. I'd download it and use it. "

It won't ever be temporary. They are thinking of making vaccination mandatory and issuing passports on that basis.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes it's a worthy, temporary trade of liberty for the benefit. I'd download it and use it.

It won't ever be temporary. They are thinking of making vaccination mandatory and issuing passports on that basis. "
Welcome to the new world order god help us .

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"Look at Google maps or whatever is on apple, it's knows where you are and have been for years. Facebook knows where you are too that's even before you check yourself in anyway.

The mobile phone companies know where you are as long as you are in range.

If you don't want anyone to know where you are you need to switch off your phone, haven't you watched Hunted

Switching it off won’t work - you’d have to disconnect quite a few components

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Look at Google maps or whatever is on apple, it's knows where you are and have been for years. Facebook knows where you are too that's even before you check yourself in anyway.

The mobile phone companies know where you are as long as you are in range.

If you don't want anyone to know where you are you need to switch off your phone, haven't you watched Hunted

And don't drive a car with satnav..

... and wrap yourself up in kitchen foil

Trust me... Just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not watching you...

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Yes it's a worthy, temporary trade of liberty for the benefit. I'd download it and use it.

It won't ever be temporary. They are thinking of making vaccination mandatory and issuing passports on that basis. "

It's an app ffs. You have to compromise something to get R1. They'd have to change the law to make the vaccine mandatory so I'm not worried about that yet.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *nimaginativeUsernameMan
over a year ago

Rochester, Kent

Leave the phone at home?

I’m not advocating it, but surely that would circumvent any concerns. We coped ok without mobile phones before.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Yes it's a worthy, temporary trade of liberty for the benefit. I'd download it and use it.

It won't ever be temporary. They are thinking of making vaccination mandatory and issuing passports on that basis.

It's an app ffs. You have to compromise something to get R1. They'd have to change the law to make the vaccine mandatory so I'm not worried about that yet. "

They can change the law before you can say Jack Russell

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Testing en masse and in local hotspots.

Use teams of people linked to the testing teams, to trace contacts and have focused testing on contacts. Lots of employment potential and can start straight away, without needing vulnerable elderly people to get and use smartphones, with millions - 40 million plus - of people in the UK needing them switched on all the time.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Yes it's a worthy, temporary trade of liberty for the benefit. I'd download it and use it.

It won't ever be temporary. They are thinking of making vaccination mandatory and issuing passports on that basis.

It's an app ffs. You have to compromise something to get R1. They'd have to change the law to make the vaccine mandatory so I'm not worried about that yet.

They can change the law before you can say Jack Russell"

Maybe check the history of the matter before saying the first thing that comes into your head. Vaccines have been made mandatory in the past and nobody got dragged into a doctors office and forcibly had a needle stuck in them.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Leave the phone at home?

I’m not advocating it, but surely that would circumvent any concerns. We coped ok without mobile phones before. "

This guy gets it

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Yes it's a worthy, temporary trade of liberty for the benefit. I'd download it and use it.

It won't ever be temporary. They are thinking of making vaccination mandatory and issuing passports on that basis.

It's an app ffs. You have to compromise something to get R1. They'd have to change the law to make the vaccine mandatory so I'm not worried about that yet.

They can change the law before you can say Jack Russell

That was before people rejected blind faith in Authority and Doctors.. take MMR rejected by many..

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yes it's a worthy, temporary trade of liberty for the benefit. I'd download it and use it.

It won't ever be temporary. They are thinking of making vaccination mandatory and issuing passports on that basis. Welcome to the new world order god help us ."

I knew it wouldn't be long...

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

People have been willingly giving their data away for years. If an app helps us get out of this mess, I'd not care. People give far more info away everyday on Facebook.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"People have been willingly giving their data away for years. If an app helps us get out of this mess, I'd not care. People give far more info away everyday on Facebook."

It is quite ironic people put their lives on fb and complain about intrusion.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I am with Belle and Sebastian on this...

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"I am with Belle and Sebastian on this...

Who?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I am with Belle and Sebastian on this...

We are Belle and Sebastian! You can normally see us performing such hits like 'Judy and her Dream of Horses' 'Like Dylan in the Movies' and 'Fox in the Snow'. Tom regularly comes to our gigs and we sign his pants!

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

His lucky big pants actually

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

If it means better ads popping up on YouTube then it’s a good thing

, we have to start to question the whole premise of digital privacy

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"Testing en masse and in local hotspots.

That's a grest idea, instead of using technology use a sick persons memory

Who did you contact exactly ?

Well I'm pretty sure I saw a, b and c

So a, b and c get a knock on the door and told to isolate even though sick patient was mistaken

I think I'd prefer to whip out my phone and reasonably prove where I was that day

Phone technology will be the way forward for now and maybe forever at least until we are chipped like dogs, and don't rubbish it, it may replace the passport.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"I am with Belle and Sebastian on this...

Ahh thanks for clearing that up, your profile names are different lol. X

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *xycpl699Couple
over a year ago

kilmarnock

"Could it lead to possible physical attacks if people get too close and the phone beeps..

This development is very very worrying"

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

As long as I don't have to wait for a shit advert for a game I have no intention of downloading before my phone tells me why it beeped!

If you're massively concerned by big brother then use a vpn.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"As long as I don't have to wait for a shit advert for a game I have no intention of downloading before my phone tells me why it beeped!

If you're massively concerned by big brother then use a vpn. "

A VPN won't help

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"Leave the phone at home?

I’m not advocating it, but surely that would circumvent any concerns. We coped ok without mobile phones before. "

This.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Leave the phone at home?

I’m not advocating it, but surely that would circumvent any concerns. We coped ok without mobile phones before.

This."

Until they insist we are all microchipped by law lol.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

One day it will happen and we will be told it's in our interests

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"One day it will happen and we will be told it's in our interests "

Already happening in some places.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"One day it will happen and we will be told it's in our interests "

It could certainly solve a number of problems

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *wickermanMan
over a year ago

Staines

Drug dealers don't have Bluetooth or GPS on their dodgy old Nokia burner phones.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes it's a worthy, temporary trade of liberty for the benefit. I'd download it and use it.

It won't ever be temporary. They are thinking of making vaccination mandatory and issuing passports on that basis. "

If they'll add nanochips in the vaccine then the tracking problem will be solved forever too. We might just as well lose the curtains from the windows and replace brick walls with clear glass.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

I have no smart phone no plans to get one,quite a lot like me so system cannot work well

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At the moment only time we are out is shopping and walking dog never take my phone with me so I won’t bother with the app

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Love these conversations. Btw who is “They”

We are in a very small way helping light dark fibre and connecting national and global loops maybe even we're part of “They” and never even knew ... whatever “They” is.... just be good citizens, close the curtains when you have a fook and you’ll be fine

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

Post new Message to Thread