FabSwingers.com forum: Petition

By *j48 OP Man
over a year ago

Wigan

Signed a petition to end this nonsense (my opinion so don't need slagging off for it) it's there for anyone else that wants to sign it

Just google "end the lockdown"

Make a change

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh god!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Signed a petition to end this nonsense (my opinion so don't need slagging off for it) it's there for anyone else that wants to sign it

Just google "end the lockdown"

Make a change

End it when?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

I won’t be signing that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I won't be signing it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pass

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Signed a petition to end this nonsense (my opinion so don't need slagging off for it) it's there for anyone else that wants to sign it

Just google "end the lockdown"

Make a change

So what evidence are you basing your opinion on?

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

This crisis could put us out of business but I will not sign this as the situation is bigger than one person and their circumstances

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I won’t be signing that. "

Ditto..

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

Not sure how on line petitions work but hopefully whoever has signed has also had to give their address.

That way the authorities can go round there and seal them in until the lock down has ended.

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster

No thanks op

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I definitely wont be signing.

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By *esireXposedMan
over a year ago

East sussex

There's no law that states opinions must be shared. Sometimes it's better to keep them special.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's no law that states opinions must be shared. Sometimes it's better to keep them special."

Why? Everyone else shares them here. Wouldn’t want a forum to become an echo chamber would we?

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

I woukdnt be signing it as I'm not an expert

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By *j48 OP Man
over a year ago

Wigan

It is in my opinion that I agree with what the petition states..

So I signed it in support

End it by 9th of May and basically continue protecting the vulnerable.

Maybe read it..

If you don't agree then that's fine, some do

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

"It is in my opinion that I agree with what the petition states..

So I signed it in support

End it by 9th of May and basically continue protecting the vulnerable.

Maybe read it..

If you don't agree then that's fine, some do "

I won't be signing but I agree with the sentiment. If we are still in a mess by may 9th then the approach isn't working

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"It is in my opinion that I agree with what the petition states..

So I signed it in support

End it by 9th of May and basically continue protecting the vulnerable.

Maybe read it..

If you don't agree then that's fine, some do "
problem is we wont know what situation we are in by then..I'd hope it would be lifted in some way then but then I have been anti lock down since the start ( wanted us to follow Sweden's way)

But they wont keep it on longer than needed as its costing the country to much money x

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Signed. It's not saying "let's have a free for all".

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia

"Signed. It's not saying "let's have a free for all". "

It's saying "let's ignore the scientific advice and try to save some lives because it's too much trouble"

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By *damAnalMan
over a year ago

Leicester

Since when has a petition ever worked?

Literally a waste of time as the powers that be aren’t the least bit interested in your opinion or mine for that fact.

I think they are more interested in the state of the economy long term instead of the fact that you have to stay home for a few months

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm also not signing something that goes against scientific advice.

For some reason an admin removed my previous post saying this.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Signed. It's not saying "let's have a free for all".

It's saying "let's ignore the scientific advice and try to save some lives because it's too much trouble" "

Actually there's precisely zero scientific advice that lockdowns work better than other measures. So don't try to bullshit like lockdown = science. It doesn't. Go listen to Johan Giesecke, the worlds most senior epidemiologist and tell me lockdown = science.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah great idea, then it flares up again and we're here for longer

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I'm also not signing something that goes against scientific advice.

For some reason an admin removed my previous post saying this."

So sweden isn't following scientific advice?

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By *ornykinkycouple84Couple
over a year ago

Chesterfield

Wow... just wow... there are no words

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lockdown is bullshit there's loads of people out and about and definitely this week there's more and more people about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm also not signing something that goes against scientific advice.

For some reason an admin removed my previous post saying this.

So sweden isn't following scientific advice? "

Correct

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

The economy has to come into play at sometime. If people werent being paid I wonder how long they would be ok with the lockdown

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By *j48 OP Man
over a year ago

Wigan

"Signed. It's not saying "let's have a free for all". "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The economy has to come into play at sometime. If people werent being paid I wonder how long they would be ok with the lockdown"

I'd rather not be paid, than have a single more death.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I woukdnt be signing it as I'm not an expert

Yea I can read the reports etc but just because now the reports are starting to suggest the lockdown may harm more people than the virus ( just Google for the reports) I'm sure the people making the decisions have in depth reports and a bigger variety of sources than the ones thr papers publish to rule up the british public"
unfortunately the medical and scientific bodies are advising the government, then the ministers yes them that have botched up everything ppe, the nhs for years, let down the nhs front line workers ( over 100 deaths)the care homes and there staff and were only just starting to get probable figures and other front line people, and there still letting people into the country not quarantine them , and these minister then dictate what we do???????

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

"I'm also not signing something that goes against scientific advice.

For some reason an admin removed my previous post saying this."

You quoted someone abusing another. It is best not to question posts being removed on the forum

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Don't abuse people on the forum even if their view is different than yours

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm also not signing something that goes against scientific advice.

For some reason an admin removed my previous post saying this.

So sweden isn't following scientific advice?

Correct"

But there death toll is increasing, Sweden is currently at 118 per million and rising, Denmark next door 55 per million.

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By *damAnalMan
over a year ago

Leicester

"The economy has to come into play at sometime. If people werent being paid I wonder how long they would be ok with the lockdown"

About 2 days, which is why we are being paid.

I’ve literally been paid to sunbathe in my garden for the last month .. good for me .. also I’m sitting on a fair chunk of cash so waiting for the bargains to roll around once this is over

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

"The economy has to come into play at sometime. If people werent being paid I wonder how long they would be ok with the lockdown

I'd rather not be paid, than have a single more death. "

Easy words, but when you can't feed your children and your house is being repossessed your view might change

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The economy has to come into play at sometime. If people werent being paid I wonder how long they would be ok with the lockdown

I'd rather not be paid, than have a single more death. "

No, no. What you’re really saying is you’d rather take money from the government. That’s your choice.

Unfortunately some of us do t have that choice.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I'm also not signing something that goes against scientific advice.

For some reason an admin removed my previous post saying this.

So sweden isn't following scientific advice?

Correct"

Based on which epidemiologist being more senior than Johan Giesecke?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I'm also not signing something that goes against scientific advice.

For some reason an admin removed my previous post saying this.

So sweden isn't following scientific advice?

Correct

But there death toll is increasing, Sweden is currently at 118 per million and rising, Denmark next door 55 per million."

Ours is 255 per million

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

Lock down has always been to help stop the NHS being over run.

To not have a lock down or end it too early will not help the NHS.

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By *j48 OP Man
over a year ago

Wigan

"Lock down has always been to help stop the NHS being over run.

To not have a lock down or end it too early will not help the NHS."

Correct and it isn't...

Time to slowly start getting back to normal

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I won't be signing and I hope this petition is dismissed as foolish.

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia

"I'm also not signing something that goes against scientific advice.

For some reason an admin removed my previous post saying this.

So sweden isn't following scientific advice?

Correct

But there death toll is increasing, Sweden is currently at 118 per million and rising, Denmark next door 55 per million.

Ours is 255 per million"

The best comparison is here, on the island of Ireland. The Republic of Ireland went on lockdown 2 weeks ahead of Northern Ireland (which acted in line with the rest of the UK). ROI death rate 71 per million, NI death rate 117 per million, you do the math

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

We need to listen to the science not someone online without the relevant (or any) qualifications.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So I watched the BBC news the other night. The report was from Milwaukee regarding the anti-lockdown protests. I got the impression that they were trying to make out the protesters were morons, especially when they aired the interview with one who said “why should we believe scientists, they always get it wrong. I know better”.

Americans, eh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm also not signing something that goes against scientific advice.

For some reason an admin removed my previous post saying this.

So sweden isn't following scientific advice?

Correct

But there death toll is increasing, Sweden is currently at 118 per million and rising, Denmark next door 55 per million.

Ours is 255 per million"

But we've had the stronger strain, and ours is coming down. Swedens is starting to rise quite bad now. Denmark lockdown quite soon and theres is 55 per million, so it clearly works.

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By *otsolittlesecretWoman
over a year ago

prestatyn

Getting back to normal??

I've lost friends colleagues and a family member to this damn virus. These people would have loved to have been at home locked down. Bored broke Safe and healthy.

So when people woke up this morning and thought of another boring day ahead... my friends and family wasn't that lucky.

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By *j48 OP Man
over a year ago

Wigan

"Getting back to normal??

I've lost friends colleagues and a family member to this damn virus. These people would have loved to have been at home locked down. Bored broke Safe and healthy.

So when people woke up this morning and thought of another boring day ahead... my friends and family wasn't that lucky.

I'm so sorry to hear of your loss..

As a side note, I lost my father to hospital pneumonia on 25th February.. The NHS stance is - sorry but its one of those things.. I was with him when he breathed his last breath..

Shit happens and no one nor governments can save every life by keeping millions at home..

Trashing the economy by being misguided (medics believe they can save everyone) and inept is not a solution as the consequences are going to be far more serious in the long run..

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Some deaths are inevitable. Opening back up will mean many more deaths (and disability in those with serious illness who survive).

The UK is in a position to climb out of the economic devastation caused by lockdown.

What price do you put on human lives? How many people are you prepared to see die, who didn't need to? Or have lifelong respiratory issues? Possibly kidney or neurological issues?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I'm also not signing something that goes against scientific advice.

For some reason an admin removed my previous post saying this.

So sweden isn't following scientific advice?

Correct

But there death toll is increasing, Sweden is currently at 118 per million and rising, Denmark next door 55 per million.

Ours is 255 per million

Northern Ireland population density 133 per square km, republic 57. Anyone can pick a country that suits their narrative. What I'm saying is that the goal is R1, there's no science that say lockdown does that better than other measures. The UK hasn't done any other measures so all we have is a fucked economy and the 4th worst death toll, pretty much the worst combination possible.

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

If the government ended lockdown tomorrow what would I do ?

I wouldn't be going to the pubs, I wouldn't be eating out, I wouldn't be visiting friends for a party.

I may, and just may visit my son down south, but mostly I would stay home, stay safe, and work when i have to.

Oh yeh much as I am at the moment.

I have relatives in south America, where he is they have fewer cases and fewer deaths, and lockdown is much more severe and the penalties for breaching it are also.

This needs to be stopped, we cant provide a cure, or a vaccine, but WE can stop (or reduce) the spread of this damned thing !

who would anyone want to be out and about at the moment.

NO ONE EVER DIED OF BOREDOM !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whey hey Anarchy in the UK

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By *hipsChainsRocknRollMan
over a year ago

North Ayrshire

Well said, _otsolittlesecret.

My condolences on your losses and my compliments on your eloquence in relating their effect.

Sadly, too many people are STILL all about 'me, me, me' and are too arrogant and too selfish to accept that mere common sense and empathy for others, let alone history and scientific evidence is more important than their bank balance or, as some on here are STILL meeting strangers for sex, their sex lives.

Freedom is nothing without responsibility.

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By *otsolittlesecretWoman
over a year ago

prestatyn

"Getting back to normal??

I've lost friends colleagues and a family member to this damn virus. These people would have loved to have been at home locked down. Bored broke Safe and healthy.

So when people woke up this morning and thought of another boring day ahead... my friends and family wasn't that lucky.

I'm so sorry to hear of your loss..

As a side note, I lost my father to hospital pneumonia on 25th February.. The NHS stance is - sorry but its one of those things.. I was with him when he breathed his last breath..

Shit happens and no one nor governments can save every life by keeping millions at home..

Trashing the economy by being misguided (medics believe they can save everyone) and inept is not a solution as the consequences are going to be far more serious in the long run.. "

Not everyone can and will be saved. But to limit the deaths is Importent. Not just to "save the nhs" it's so my sister who also tested positive wouldn't have been put at risk and caught it while at work (frontline). Life is going to be damn hard afterwards. Money is going to be tight. Life is going to be bad for alot of people. But we can re build. Its going to take years and a hell of alot of problems will arise.. But if my life and others can be saved then it's going to be possible. We probably wont have the luxerys we are used to.. But being alive is the luxury that I want.

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By *revaunanceCouple
over a year ago

Exeter

I won't sign a death warrant for myself or my family.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

think i'll skip it...

I did sign a petition the other day though....

it was the one the said instead of the govt giving overseas people an extra yr to leave the country (how nice of them) that all those non-british people working in essential key worker roles should be given indefinite leave to remain as a thank you for helping us in this time of crisis.....

feel free to sign that one!!!

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I'm also not signing something that goes against scientific advice.

For some reason an admin removed my previous post saying this.

So sweden isn't following scientific advice?

Correct

But there death toll is increasing, Sweden is currently at 118 per million and rising, Denmark next door 55 per million.

Ours is 255 per million

But we've had the stronger strain, and ours is coming down. Swedens is starting to rise quite bad now. Denmark lockdown quite soon and theres is 55 per million, so it clearly works. "

I'm not sure it's fact we've had the stronger strain. We do primarily have type B as opposed to type A predominant in America and type C predominant in Italy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If the government ended lockdown tomorrow what would I do ?

I wouldn't be going to the pubs, I wouldn't be eating out, I wouldn't be visiting friends for a party.

I may, and just may visit my son down south, but mostly I would stay home, stay safe, and work when i have to.

Oh yeh much as I am at the moment.

I have relatives in south America, where he is they have fewer cases and fewer deaths, and lockdown is much more severe and the penalties for breaching it are also.

This needs to be stopped, we cant provide a cure, or a vaccine, but WE can stop (or reduce) the spread of this damned thing !

who would anyone want to be out and about at the moment.

NO ONE EVER DIED OF BOREDOM !

Well said that man...we’re too soft in the UK re lockdown and punishments. As for boredom...when it’s nice and sunny, all anyone wants to do is be at home and not in office/work...now most of us can do that, you get folks wanting do dick about.

Me thinks when this is all over and they do finally left the lockdown, there’ll be so many parties etc..the virus will come back with a vengeance....I mean they still haven’t found a cure that works yet.

I suggest if folks wanna break the lockdown..go for it..but then take their details and if they fall sick, don’t treat them...I mean enough of our frontline workers are laying the price ..and for what. They should have all just stayed home with their own families...at least they may still be alive.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm actively involved in the voluntary sector for a very vulnerable population. They're really suffering right now and our hands are very much tied.

Opening up the economy prematurely will reduce the effects of shielding and mean they'll have to shield longer.

So they'll suffer more, and more of them will die needlessly and prematurely. We're already losing them.

Does this suck? Yes. Will this have bad outcomes? Yes. Is it worth condemning more people to awful deaths? Absolutely not.

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia

"I'm also not signing something that goes against scientific advice.

For some reason an admin removed my previous post saying this.

So sweden isn't following scientific advice?

Correct

But there death toll is increasing, Sweden is currently at 118 per million and rising, Denmark next door 55 per million.

Ours is 255 per million

That statistic takes no regard of rural/urban populations. Your cognitive dissonance will not allow you to consider any information that doesn't fit your narative. But it's absolutely aparant to anyone who thinks objectively, that of course the R1 will rise proportionally the more interactions there are

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By *otsolittlesecretWoman
over a year ago

prestatyn

"Well said, _otsolittlesecret.

My condolences on your losses and my compliments on your eloquence in relating their effect.

Freedom is nothing without responsibility.

Thankyou. I'm out everyday working scared that I'm at risk. I havnt seen my children in weeks or my mum.

I know not everyone will agree and that's up to them, but mixing with others will keep this virus very much alive and spreading and killing. I will gladly give up anything to keep my family safer.

I genuinly can't believe the amount of messages I get from people complaining they are bored... I'm absolutely heartbroken to hear that as my friends don't have that luxury. And any of these days while I'm out at work could be the day i lose that luxuery too

Stay safe please

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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago

birmingham

Signed. If we don't get back to something like normal in a few weeks there will be nothing left to unlock

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The economy has to come into play at sometime. If people werent being paid I wonder how long they would be ok with the lockdown

I'd rather not be paid, than have a single more death. "
Here speaks a man with plenty of money or no brains

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Signed. If we don't get back to something like normal in a few weeks there will be nothing left to unlock"

so how many people is an acceptable amount to lose to get back to your "Normal"....

just curious?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Signed. If we don't get back to something like normal in a few weeks there will be nothing left to unlock"

Money is less important than human life.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

That statistic takes no regard of rural/urban populations."

Exactly my point. Using your logic then we would conclude that trump is doing a fantastic job in South Dakota.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Those who are signing, I hope you're prepared for your loved ones to die, suffocating, alone, for the economy.

I'm not. I don't want your loved ones to die either.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

I suppose stupid is what stupid does.

Nope. Won't sign that.

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By *eavy-Metal-CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Liverpool

We both think why there a few people wanting this to end is that they seeing how others have dealt with this pandemic and also seems our government doesn't have a plan or strategy and seem to be making it up as it goes along. Also doesn't help that the mainstream media depending on there political leanings are saying conflicting reports and what most people want is the cold hard facts.

I feel sorry for anyone that has losted a friend or loved one during this time and hope after these 3 weeks are over the pandemic is starting to stabilise and our asinine government have a plan to bring us out of this and we can start gaining a sense of normality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The economy has to come into play at sometime. If people werent being paid I wonder how long they would be ok with the lockdown

I'd rather not be paid, than have a single more death. Here speaks a man with plenty of money or no brains "

I don't have plenty of money.

So I'll take the "no brains" option.

I'm comfortable with my opinion than human life has more value than money, therefore your arbitrary insults don't have any meaning to me.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"The economy has to come into play at sometime. If people werent being paid I wonder how long they would be ok with the lockdown

I'd rather not be paid, than have a single more death. Here speaks a man with plenty of money or no brains

I don't have plenty of money.

So I'll take the "no brains" option.

I'm comfortable with my opinion than human life has more value than money, therefore your arbitrary insults don't have any meaning to me."

I heard on a podcast yesterday that very poor countries may not have the luxury to lock down and will just have to hope for the best.

I'm glad that we have the option of lockdown, recession/depression, and rescue package, rather than likely carnage.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

"It is in my opinion that I agree with what the petition states..

So I signed it in support

End it by 9th of May and basically continue protecting the vulnerable.

Maybe read it..

If you don't agree then that's fine, some do problem is we wont know what situation we are in by then..I'd hope it would be lifted in some way then but then I have been anti lock down since the start ( wanted us to follow Sweden's way)

But they wont keep it on longer than needed as its costing the country to much money x"

I have a friend who lives in Sweden, she moved there from Wales about 10 years ago. She completely disagrees with how the Swedish government are handling things, basically it’s business as usual. Homeschooling is illegal in Sweden but she has chosen to take her 3 children out of school for the moment to reduce any risk to her and all her family. One of her daughters has asthma which has seen her hospitalised a few times. Her 45 year old ex partner, father of her two youngest children, shares custody of the girls. He had a heart attack last year and had to have a triple bypass. If he catches Covid there is a very high chance he will not live to see his 8 and 9 year old girls grow up!

Her decision to remove her kids from school has caught the attention of the authorities and so far, they are leaving her alone and providing school work for the children. However, she has very serious concerns that at some point she will find herself in big trouble as what she has chosen to do to protect her family is breaking the law

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Signed. If we don't get back to something like normal in a few weeks there will be nothing left to unlock

so how many people is an acceptable amount to lose to get back to your "Normal"....

just curious?"

The sensible way would be to look at the entire deaths for 2020 to prevent these false comparisons where you have people who lost a few months of their life to 'coronavirus', whilst you ignore all the people who die of other things because the country stopped. To answer your question, if there were less than 650,000 deaths in 2020 then it wouldn't even be the worst year in the last 30.

Lockdown will not give you much less than 650,000. It will destroy the economy. There are other measures that would give you the same or better death toll.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The economy has to come into play at sometime. If people werent being paid I wonder how long they would be ok with the lockdown

I'd rather not be paid, than have a single more death. Here speaks a man with plenty of money or no brains

I don't have plenty of money.

So I'll take the "no brains" option.

I'm comfortable with my opinion than human life has more value than money, therefore your arbitrary insults don't have any meaning to me."
so human life is worth more than money try telling that to people how don't have any, if you had really seen that and not just on the news you would understand. When you have nothing life means nothing.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"The economy has to come into play at sometime. If people werent being paid I wonder how long they would be ok with the lockdown

I'd rather not be paid, than have a single more death. Here speaks a man with plenty of money or no brains

I don't have plenty of money.

So I'll take the "no brains" option.

I'm comfortable with my opinion than human life has more value than money, therefore your arbitrary insults don't have any meaning to me.so human life is worth more than money try telling that to people how don't have any, if you had really seen that and not just on the news you would understand. When you have nothing life means nothing. "

When you have nothing you fight like hell to get something.

And fortunately in the UK we have the resources to keep everyone fed.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"It is in my opinion that I agree with what the petition states..

So I signed it in support

End it by 9th of May and basically continue protecting the vulnerable.

Maybe read it..

But they wont keep it on longer than needed as its costing the country to much money x

Retail visits down 41%, work place visits down 24%, travel down 36%. Hardly "business as usual".

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

"think i'll skip it...

I did sign a petition the other day though....

feel free to sign that one!!!

now that one I will sign !Imagine how the NHS would be coping without the nurses from Europe or even further away; they wouldn't (not that I have any evidence for that before anyone shoots me down).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The economy has to come into play at sometime. If people werent being paid I wonder how long they would be ok with the lockdown

I'd rather not be paid, than have a single more death. Here speaks a man with plenty of money or no brains

I don't have plenty of money.

So I'll take the "no brains" option.

I'm comfortable with my opinion than human life has more value than money, therefore your arbitrary insults don't have any meaning to me.

so human life is worth more than money try telling that to people how don't have any, if you had really seen that and not just on the news you would understand. When you have nothing life means nothing. "

I disagree. I would rather that my friends, family, myself and everyone I know, to be alive and poor than to be rich and dead.

I'm not suggesting you should think the same way as me, and I am not insulting you because. 1. I am comfortable with my opinion, and 2. I am comfortable with you having an opposing opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t know though, this petition may gain some traction. I can just see Dominic Raab giving today’s update “...well, we were following scientific advice, then some middle aged northern males weighed in with their famous opinions, and that changed our whole outlook”.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don’t know though, this petition may gain some traction. I can just see Dominic Raab giving today’s update “...well, we were following scientific advice, then some middle aged northern males weighed in with their famous opinions, and that changed our whole outlook”.

Worked for Brexit!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"And if some more pensioners die, plus a whole lot of NHS staff and a chunk of mothers, father's, daughters and sons scattered throughout the community as well, so what?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Worked for Brexit!

BOOM!

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

"It is in my opinion that I agree with what the petition states..

So I signed it in support

End it by 9th of May and basically continue protecting the vulnerable.

Maybe read it..

But they wont keep it on longer than needed as its costing the country to much money x

Retail visits down 41%, work place visits down 24%, travel down 36%. Hardly "business as usual". "

The local authorities and in particular in the Kommun where she lives are trying to encourage people to get out and behave as if there were no pandemic, even to the point of encouraging gatherings of large numbers of people by advertising carnivals and the like. However, it appears that many people have more sense than their local authority and they are choosing to stay at home, to implement their own lockdown as it were. My friend is of the opinion that Sweden need more formal measures to halt Covid before it gets as bad as Italy, Spain, and Uk.

One thing to consider though. Maybe if the British public had shown some sense when we were first advised about social distancing and followed it instead of flicking in huge numbers for family days out at the seaside and having bbq’s in the park etc, we may not have needed such extreme measures as we have now!

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"It is in my opinion that I agree with what the petition states..

So I signed it in support

End it by 9th of May and basically continue protecting the vulnerable.

Maybe read it..

But they wont keep it on longer than needed as its costing the country to much money x

Retail visits down 41%, work place visits down 24%, travel down 36%. Hardly "business as usual".

There's some myth that british people don't follow lockdown. 87% are following it all the time or nearly all the time. 2% less than half the time. Our Google data isn't all that different to Italy.

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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago

birmingham

"Signed. If we don't get back to something like normal in a few weeks there will be nothing left to unlock

so how many people is an acceptable amount to lose to get back to your "Normal"....

just curious?"

No more than will die of the effects of lockdown. Once lockdown starts leading to more longterm deaths through cancelled ops, mass unemployment and poverty and subsequent suicides then it is a worse option

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

"Signed. If we don't get back to something like normal in a few weeks there will be nothing left to unlock

so how many people is an acceptable amount to lose to get back to your "Normal"....

just curious?

Which would be awful obviously however if we didn’t have lockdown then the numbers would be significantly higher and constant.

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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago

birmingham

"Signed. If we don't get back to something like normal in a few weeks there will be nothing left to unlock

so how many people is an acceptable amount to lose to get back to your "Normal"....

just curious?

Which would be awful obviously however if we didn’t have lockdown then the numbers would be significantly higher and constant. "

Lockdown is pointless if you don't have a plan on how to unlock. As I see it the only point of lockdown is to wait for a vaccine that will be 18 months away. At that stage we will be a third world economy

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Signed. If we don't get back to something like normal in a few weeks there will be nothing left to unlock

so how many people is an acceptable amount to lose to get back to your "Normal"....

just curious?

Which would be awful obviously however if we didn’t have lockdown then the numbers would be significantly higher and constant. "

No they wouldn't! It's not a choice between lockdown or nothing.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

"Signed. If we don't get back to something like normal in a few weeks there will be nothing left to unlock

so how many people is an acceptable amount to lose to get back to your "Normal"....

just curious?

Which would be awful obviously however if we didn’t have lockdown then the numbers would be significantly higher and constant.

That isn’t the point of lockdown though.

There is a plan. I can’t for a second believe that they wake up and say ‘today we will come out of lockdown’. Just because it isn’t spoken about it doesn’t mean it isn’t being discussed behind the scenes. I think it would send the wrong message if it is discussed too soon.

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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago

birmingham

"Signed. If we don't get back to something like normal in a few weeks there will be nothing left to unlock

so how many people is an acceptable amount to lose to get back to your "Normal"....

just curious?

Which would be awful obviously however if we didn’t have lockdown then the numbers would be significantly higher and constant.

That isn’t the point of lockdown though.

It sends the wrong message not to discuss how the lockdown will be lifted

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Signed. If we don't get back to something like normal in a few weeks there will be nothing left to unlock

so how many people is an acceptable amount to lose to get back to your "Normal"....

just curious?

Which would be awful obviously however if we didn’t have lockdown then the numbers would be significantly higher and constant.

That isn’t the point of lockdown though.

It sends the wrong message not to discuss how the lockdown will be lifted"

Absolutely, give people the facts ffs. People will only speculate otherwise except the lockdown lovers.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

"Signed. If we don't get back to something like normal in a few weeks there will be nothing left to unlock

so how many people is an acceptable amount to lose to get back to your "Normal"....

just curious?

Which would be awful obviously however if we didn’t have lockdown then the numbers would be significantly higher and constant.

That isn’t the point of lockdown though.

It sends the wrong message not to discuss how the lockdown will be lifted"

I disagree. Everyone wants to jump to the next step. We haven’t overcome this one yet. I do find increasingly that people appear to have little patience if they are asked to wait for something

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Signed. If we don't get back to something like normal in a few weeks there will be nothing left to unlock

so how many people is an acceptable amount to lose to get back to your "Normal"....

just curious?

Which would be awful obviously however if we didn’t have lockdown then the numbers would be significantly higher and constant.

That isn’t the point of lockdown though.

It sends the wrong message not to discuss how the lockdown will be lifted

I disagree. Everyone wants to jump to the next step. We haven’t overcome this one yet. I do find increasingly that people appear to have little patience if they are asked to wait for something

Yeah it's only people's lives, careers and houses on the line, why can't they take a chill pill

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I encourage people to take a look at it and read the reasons that those who have signed it are giving

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"I encourage people to take a look at it and read the reasons that those who have signed it are giving

I've not signed it but many of the reasons given by people who signed it are a little mind boggling

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Signed. It's not saying "let's have a free for all".

It's saying "let's ignore the scientific advice and try to save some lives because it's too much trouble"

Epidemiologists, just like everyone else, have different views on the best ways to tackle a pandemic, and none of them can claim with absolute certainty that they are correct, however senior they may be. Time will tell.

Personally, I think we should have carried on with tracking, tracing and quarantining, instead of abandoning that approach in favour of 'herd immunity'.

Had we done that, we probably wouldn't be in the situation we are now, but it is what it is, and signing a petition won't change anything.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

"Signed. If we don't get back to something like normal in a few weeks there will be nothing left to unlock

so how many people is an acceptable amount to lose to get back to your "Normal"....

just curious?

Which would be awful obviously however if we didn’t have lockdown then the numbers would be significantly higher and constant.

That isn’t the point of lockdown though.

It sends the wrong message not to discuss how the lockdown will be lifted

I disagree. Everyone wants to jump to the next step. We haven’t overcome this one yet. I do find increasingly that people appear to have little patience if they are asked to wait for something

Yeah it's only people's lives, careers and houses on the line, why can't they take a chill pill

Why the eye roll? We are supposed to be adults able to have a discussion. I didn’t tell anyone to take a chill pill.

I would rather have my life than a house but then we all have different values in life. And I say that as a person with the same concerns as every else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The economy has to come into play at sometime. If people werent being paid I wonder how long they would be ok with the lockdown"

I’m not being paid. My work has dried up and I’m living off savings but why would I risk the health of myself and others when it flies in the face of scientific fact?

Staying home, staying safe, protecting the NHS

Once we are free I will be spending my money with self employed businesses and the super swing clubs we have that will need to get back on their feet.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Signed. If we don't get back to something like normal in a few weeks there will be nothing left to unlock

so how many people is an acceptable amount to lose to get back to your "Normal"....

just curious?

Which would be awful obviously however if we didn’t have lockdown then the numbers would be significantly higher and constant.

That isn’t the point of lockdown though.

It sends the wrong message not to discuss how the lockdown will be lifted

I disagree. Everyone wants to jump to the next step. We haven’t overcome this one yet. I do find increasingly that people appear to have little patience if they are asked to wait for something

Yeah it's only people's lives, careers and houses on the line, why can't they take a chill pill

Why the eye roll? We are supposed to be adults able to have a discussion. I didn’t tell anyone to take a chill pill.

I would rather have my life than a house but then we all have different values in life. And I say that as a person with the same concerns as every else. "

Do you really not understand how patronising it is to tell adults to have patience and they'd panic if they knew the truth, when their livelihood is on the line.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

"Signed. If we don't get back to something like normal in a few weeks there will be nothing left to unlock

so how many people is an acceptable amount to lose to get back to your "Normal"....

just curious?

Which would be awful obviously however if we didn’t have lockdown then the numbers would be significantly higher and constant.

That isn’t the point of lockdown though.

It sends the wrong message not to discuss how the lockdown will be lifted

I disagree. Everyone wants to jump to the next step. We haven’t overcome this one yet. I do find increasingly that people appear to have little patience if they are asked to wait for something

Yeah it's only people's lives, careers and houses on the line, why can't they take a chill pill

Why the eye roll? We are supposed to be adults able to have a discussion. I didn’t tell anyone to take a chill pill.

I would rather have my life than a house but then we all have different values in life. And I say that as a person with the same concerns as every else.

Do you really not understand how patronising it is to tell adults to have patience and they'd panic if they knew the truth, when their livelihood is on the line. "

I don’t find what is happening patronising. We clearly have a different perspective there.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

“Nissan’s Sunderland plant has announced that 50 employees will return to work in its powertrains division on a trial basis.”

Maybe more industry/business will take it upon themselves to wind things up, where they can and within government guidelines, thereby getting ahead of the “restarting the economy” curve.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

"Signed. It's not saying "let's have a free for all".

It's saying "let's ignore the scientific advice and try to save some lives because it's too much trouble"

Giesecke is working with Sweden who are following his advice. Despite Ireland and Sweden having the same number of cases Swedens mortality rate is nearly triple Irelands. Not going very well for the Swedes really or Gieseckes theory.

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan
over a year ago

Not sure about all the facts on deaths due to the virus and deaths due to other reasons as I've seen so many graphs shown, I do think as do a lot of other people we need the lock down just to ease the pressure on the NHS, In a couple of weeks they will slowly start to ease up on the lock down,

On a side note, Out of the people that have posted and want to end it now or think the government was wrong in doing it, How many are self employed or was earning a lot more then the £2500 cut of pay ?

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

"Signed. It's not saying "let's have a free for all".

It's saying "let's ignore the scientific advice and try to save some lives because it's too much trouble"

Sweden does have twice the population though.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

"Signed. It's not saying "let's have a free for all".

It's saying "let's ignore the scientific advice and try to save some lives because it's too much trouble"

Sweden does have twice the population though. "

And an older population compared to Ireland.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"Signed. It's not saying "let's have a free for all".

It's saying "let's ignore the scientific advice and try to save some lives because it's too much trouble"

Sweden does have twice the population though. "

So basic maths means Sweden are doing 50% worse?

Not a ringing endorsement for a non lock down approach

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"Signed. It's not saying "let's have a free for all".

It's saying "let's ignore the scientific advice and try to save some lives because it's too much trouble"

Sweden does have twice the population though.

And an older population compared to Ireland. "

You also have to account for population density.

The UK is a pretty packed island compared to Sweden.

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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago

birmingham

"Signed. It's not saying "let's have a free for all".

It's saying "let's ignore the scientific advice and try to save some lives because it's too much trouble"

Sweden does have twice the population though.

So basic maths means Sweden are doing 50% worse?

Not a ringing endorsement for a non lock down approach

It depends if they have less deaths caused by economic collapse

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

You also have to be cautious with death stats as each country will record deaths in slightly different ways.

Only an end of year comparison of the growth in deaths per million will have anything close to a true reflection, but it will not take population density and relative population ages into account.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Could be worse, you could be classed as one of the vulnerable people and be locked down for a minimum of 12 weeks, so a month is nothing. Only another 8 weeks of lockdown to go for me

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"Could be worse, you could be classed as one of the vulnerable people and be locked down for a minimum of 12 weeks, so a month is nothing. Only another 8 weeks of lockdown to go for me"

Not to be a grey cloud but I'm not sure whether 12 weeks is optimistic.

I don't expect to see those at high risk till Xmas at the earliest

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

"You also have to be cautious with death stats as each country will record deaths in slightly different ways.

Only an end of year comparison of the growth in deaths per million will have anything close to a true reflection, but it will not take population density and relative population ages into account. "

I think they are important points

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By *j48 OP Man
over a year ago

Wigan

"Signed. If we don't get back to something like normal in a few weeks there will be nothing left to unlock"

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

No thanks op would rather lose my summer than lose a family member or friend

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a daft petition. We had a general election in December where people were put in charge whether we like it or not to make executive decisions on our behalf. They listened to the eggheads who are saying this is what we need to do, unless we want a bloke wandering up and down our cul de sac shouting " bring out your dead".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Signed a petition to end this nonsense (my opinion so don't need slagging off for it) it's there for anyone else that wants to sign it

Just google "end the lockdown"

Make a change

Stupid is as stupid does

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Could be worse, you could be classed as one of the vulnerable people and be locked down for a minimum of 12 weeks, so a month is nothing. Only another 8 weeks of lockdown to go for me

Not to be a grey cloud but I'm not sure whether 12 weeks is optimistic.

I don't expect to see those at high risk till Xmas at the earliest "

It's 12 weeks minimum but yeah I see the vulnerable being in lockdown a lot longer and being one of the last back out, so for the majority of the country stop moaning a grin and bear it for a month or two, it could be worse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Could be worse, you could be classed as one of the vulnerable people and be locked down for a minimum of 12 weeks, so a month is nothing. Only another 8 weeks of lockdown to go for me

Not to be a grey cloud but I'm not sure whether 12 weeks is optimistic.

I don't expect to see those at high risk till Xmas at the earliest

All very well for you to say but some of us like a bit of partying on here LOL. But I know what you mean. I for one try not to moan and just take the porridge dolled out. I have had a great life, done a lot more than most so a few weeks of inconvenience is not end of the world. Or....... maybe it could but who knows eh. C'est la vie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone singing a petition should come and see what we as frontline workers have to go through every day that will make you change your viewpoint I can tell you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Deny the trolls the attention

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By *eicsbimaleMan
over a year ago

loughborough

Op sounds a bit like the American woman seen on Facebook, her interview on beaches in southern Florida being allowed to open because the don't have Mexicans drinking corona beer out of glass bottles down there so they are safe

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By *arialoueWoman
over a year ago

bradford

I want the lockdown lifted just as much as many people do but only if its safe to do so, not because people signed this petition, if lockdown got lifted coz of this petition n the virus got worse everything that everyone has done, will be for nothing, especially all those people out there that risk there lives NHS n other nursing staff, ya key workers that keeps the supermarkets stocked up with food etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This crisis could put us out of business but I will not sign this as the situation is bigger than one person and their circumstances"
we really hope not

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By *j48 OP Man
over a year ago

Wigan

"I want the lockdown lifted just as much as many people do but only if its safe to do so, not because people signed this petition, if lockdown got lifted coz of this petition n the virus got worse everything that everyone has done, will be for nothing, especially all those people out there that risk there lives NHS n other nursing staff, ya key workers that keeps the supermarkets stocked up with food etc"

Have a read what the petition states...

It's bloody obvious that we won't be returning back to normal any time soon.

But a portion of the population and their jobs and services have to..

Common sense

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

The most likely thing is that most shops will reopen and the "you can only leave home with a reasonable excuse" will stay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shan’t be signing that....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is in my opinion that I agree with what the petition states..

So I signed it in support

End it by 9th of May and basically continue protecting the vulnerable.

Maybe read it..

If you don't agree then that's fine, some do "

So not evidence based then, that's fine to agree with none evidence based facts I guess

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"Signed a petition to end this nonsense (my opinion so don't need slagging off for it) it's there for anyone else that wants to sign it

Just google "end the lockdown"

Make a change

"
Currently a petition to make hedgehogs a protected species has forty times more signatures than this.Sounds right to me, since hedeghogs are nice despite having lots of pricks, whereas the petition to end the lockdown just has lots of....

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Signed. It's not saying "let's have a free for all".

It's saying "let's ignore the scientific advice and try to save some lives because it's too much trouble"

It's not triple. Ireland 148 deaths per million, Sweden 192. I know how to cherry pick countries that suit what I'm saying too, so I see your Ireland and raise you South Korea.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

I will not be signing

Nor do I suggest lockdown should be ended for at least 18 34 months

However I do ask

Why does anyone think it is or will be

"Safe" to come out of a lock down ???

I would also ask the question

At what point of inevitable will people decide permanent lockdown is unacceptable ?

It is quite plausible that a contagious disease could be amongst us for the rest of humanity

The ONLY way to keep deaths low would be perpetual social restrictions

No swinging ever

No pubs ever

No casual aquentence

No casual hugging

Ppe worn forever

Else excessive people die

What is the acceptable level of death from contagious diseases? If we can cope as many as we can cope with or if social restrictions save x then so be it ?

Oh and if you think I have an angle I dont

The moral can is open and I have zero idea

It's now common rhetoric to day one life saved is worth all this

I may or may not agree but what I do know is if the world followed its current shutdown then lives from other contagious diseases current and future will be saved

And thus ?????

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

"Signed. It's not saying "let's have a free for all".

It's saying "let's ignore the scientific advice and try to save some lives because it's too much trouble"

It's not triple. Ireland 148 deaths per million, Sweden 192. I know how to cherry pick countries that suit what I'm saying too, so I see your Ireland and raise you South Korea.

Did you even read what you replied to?

Obviously not, so let me try again and Ill try and be a bit clearer for you.

Sweden and Ireland have the same number of cases. This number is approx 16,000 each. This figure, because it is the same number of total cases, means there are some things we can compare and somethings we cant.

"Raising me South Korea" not only makes no sense, has nothing close to an explanation behind it and it isnt comporable.

In sweden you are 3 times more likely to die from the disease than in Ireland. Why? Because they are not taking the same measures to protect people at risk.

There are different strains of the virus that exist, including at least 3 different ones in ireland, none have been shown to be more or less lethal than others.

In Sweden the measures, or lack thereof, have resulted in extra deaths. 3 times as many as than if they had adopted the measures that Ireland had.

If you have a specific disagreement with an actual logical argument Im always open to having my mind changed. Or you can just "raise me" timbuctu or some other place youve heard of.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Signed. It's not saying "let's have a free for all".

It's saying "let's ignore the scientific advice and try to save some lives because it's too much trouble"

It's not triple. Ireland 148 deaths per million, Sweden 192. I know how to cherry pick countries that suit what I'm saying too, so I see your Ireland and raise you South Korea.

Did you even read what you replied to?

Obviously not, so let me try again and Ill try and be a bit clearer for you.

"Raising me South Korea" not only makes no sense, has nothing close to an explanation behind it and it isnt comporable.

In sweden you are 3 times more likely to die from the disease than in Ireland. Why? Because they are not taking the same measures to protect people at risk.

There are different strains of the virus that exist, including at least 3 different ones in ireland, none have been shown to be more or less lethal than others.

In Sweden the measures, or lack thereof, have resulted in extra deaths. 3 times as many as than if they had adopted the measures that Ireland had.

If you have a specific disagreement with an actual logical argument Im always open to having my mind changed. Or you can just "raise me" timbuctu or some other place youve heard of."

What you just said it utter nonsense. You have absolutely zero idea on the real actual case numbers to make that kind of comparison. Are you really not aware of why the reported case numbers only represent a small percentage of the real cases. Comparing deaths is the only meaningful comparison you can do between countries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Signed a petition to end this nonsense (my opinion so don't need slagging off for it) it's there for anyone else that wants to sign it

Just google "end the lockdown"

Make a change

I'm curious can you explain what you mean by "nonsense"

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

There are different strains of the virus that exist, including at least 3 different ones in ireland"

Daily mail?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I won’t be signing. Nor will I be getting a vaccine or my children

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I won’t be signing. Nor will I be getting a vaccine or my children "

So when will you decided to start taking an extra risk ?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"think i'll skip it...

I did sign a petition the other day though....

feel free to sign that one!!!

That's good Fabio. They've currently not even given all NHS staff an extension of 1 year and they've done this by making statements on their website, which have been changed several times. Apparently it may require a statutory instrument, to ensure that they remain here legally. It's a better petition to be considered and I posted a few weeks ago about support for all NHS staff who are so generous to us all, to get free permanent residency permits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won’t be signing. Nor will I be getting a vaccine or my children

So when will you decided to start taking an extra risk ? "

As in? How do you mean “extra “ risk?

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

Those going on about deaths per million.. this is the amounts as of today

Belgium. 525.12

Spain. 455.49

Italy 407.87

France. 310.45

United Kingdom 261.37

Netherlands. 227.26

Switzerland 173.54

Sweden 173.33

Ireland150.41

There are other countries and this is per million.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I won’t be signing. Nor will I be getting a vaccine or my children

So when will you decided to start taking an extra risk ?

As in? How do you mean “extra “ risk?"

I assume you are currently adhering to the rules thus mitigating your risk

That's not going away if they lift or not

You're not taking a vaccination

Thus at what point will your mind say that your vulnerable lungs are going to risk the big wide world by not following lock down style precautions

Ie theoretically no meets for 2 4 6 years ever ??

Just curious how you're making your risk decisions

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Those going on about deaths per million.. this is the amounts as of today

Belgium. 525.12

Spain. 455.49

Italy 407.87

France. 310.45

United Kingdom 261.37

Netherlands. 227.26

Switzerland 173.54

Sweden 173.33

Ireland150.41

There are other countries and this is per million. "

And that tells us what exactly???

Could you give us the numbers that require hospital treatment at the peak

That's the numbers you need

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"Those going on about deaths per million.. this is the amounts as of today

Belgium. 525.12

Spain. 455.49

Italy 407.87

France. 310.45

United Kingdom 261.37

Netherlands. 227.26

Switzerland 173.54

Sweden 173.33

Ireland150.41

There are other countries and this is per million.

And that tells us what exactly???

Could you give us the numbers that require hospital treatment at the peak

That's the numbers you need

"
we have already had the peak apparently ... and I put the figures due to the number of people quoting them but incorrectly

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Those going on about deaths per million.. this is the amounts as of today

Belgium. 525.12

Spain. 455.49

Italy 407.87

France. 310.45

United Kingdom 261.37

Netherlands. 227.26

Switzerland 173.54

Sweden 173.33

Ireland150.41

There are other countries and this is per million.

And that tells us what exactly???

Could you give us the numbers that require hospital treatment at the peak

That's the numbers you need

we have already had the peak apparently ... and I put the figures due to the number of people quoting them but incorrectly "

You have had A peak before the exponential expansion was stemmed

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Those going on about deaths per million.. this is the amounts as of today

Belgium. 525.12

Spain. 455.49

Italy 407.87

France. 310.45

United Kingdom 261.37

Netherlands. 227.26

Switzerland 173.54

Sweden 173.33

Ireland150.41

There are other countries and this is per million.

And that tells us what exactly???

Could you give us the numbers that require hospital treatment at the peak

That's the numbers you need

Didnt realise Belgium was hit so hard

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see the lockdown as a fine social/ economic balance. Glad I don't have to make the decision but there will be a time when the lockdown if allowed to go on too long causes more anxiety, hardship and death than the virus.

I can understand people wanting lockdown to finish and those wanting it to continue. Whatever happens we have to all work together to protect the most vulnerable.

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By *merald Eyes XWoman
over a year ago

Can you find me….

I won’t be signing!!

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

You have had A peak before the exponential expansion was stemmed

We wont really know till years after this and we have many more figures to work with.

The figures arent going to be much good till we test more... I've been reading a lot of the reports about then concerns of non covid 19 deaths... suicide attempts and deaths are already climbing along with other areas. I dont envy those having to make the decisions as it's a balancing act that I'd not like to try to do.

I'll abide by the lockdown ( already got my own ways to get out within the rules) but doesnt mean I'm not worried about the impact of it being too much longer. And I'm meaning on people not financially as thats a whole other part of this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you really not understand how patronising it is to tell adults to have patience and they'd panic if they knew the truth, when their livelihood is on the line. "

While we have differing opinions on the lockdown, it is clear from the posts you make that you are a sensible, educated individual

You might be able to take the truth in one go, absorb it and rationalise it and make sensible decisions off the back of it, however we really can’t credit everyone with the same intellect

You only have to look at the panic buying that went on last month or some of the hysterical posts on these forums to see that there is a fine line to be found between keeping people informed to stop speculation, and keeping people calm and unpanicked ... I am not saying they have it perfectly right , just that because you could handle that information doesn’t mean everyone could

Oh and the percentage you mentioned earlier of people staying home, i think it depends where you live, pretty sure that whole other 11% unnacounted for in your stats spend their days in the park across from my house

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Signed. It's not saying "let's have a free for all".

It's saying "let's ignore the scientific advice and try to save some lives because it's too much trouble"

It's not triple. Ireland 148 deaths per million, Sweden 192. I know how to cherry pick countries that suit what I'm saying too, so I see your Ireland and raise you South Korea.

Did you even read what you replied to?

Obviously not, so let me try again and Ill try and be a bit clearer for you.

"Raising me South Korea" not only makes no sense, has nothing close to an explanation behind it and it isnt comporable.

In sweden you are 3 times more likely to die from the disease than in Ireland. Why? Because they are not taking the same measures to protect people at risk.

There are different strains of the virus that exist, including at least 3 different ones in ireland, none have been shown to be more or less lethal than others.

In Sweden the measures, or lack thereof, have resulted in extra deaths. 3 times as many as than if they had adopted the measures that Ireland had.

If you have a specific disagreement with an actual logical argument Im always open to having my mind changed. Or you can just "raise me" timbuctu or some other place youve heard of."

We will only be able to see which course of action was right in a couple of years and after all the analysis has been done, Sweden may have high numbers now but deaths may drop sharply as the vulnerable catch it quicker than say Ireland or NZ who lockdown in a different way and so deaths carry on slower but longer, then of course there may be deaths due to financial problems, remember some make wild claims austerity caused 160,000. The fall out from corvid may well be far worse financially

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By *ax777Man
over a year ago

Not here

"I'm also not signing something that goes against scientific advice.

For some reason an admin removed my previous post saying this.

So sweden isn't following scientific advice?

Correct

But there death toll is increasing, Sweden is currently at 118 per million and rising, Denmark next door 55 per million."

Sweden is now up to 192 deaths per million population, compared to the UKs 267. But Sweden has a population only 3/4 million greater than London

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"I'm also not signing something that goes against scientific advice.

For some reason an admin removed my previous post saying this.

So sweden isn't following scientific advice?

Correct

But there death toll is increasing, Sweden is currently at 118 per million and rising, Denmark next door 55 per million.

Sweden is now up to 192 deaths per million population, compared to the UKs 267. But Sweden has a population only 3/4 million greater than London"
where was that source from as the one I just read said it was lower than that as of today.

Thing is we wont know till years down the line if Sweden's actions worked or not x

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By *ax777Man
over a year ago

Not here

"I'm also not signing something that goes against scientific advice.

For some reason an admin removed my previous post saying this.

So sweden isn't following scientific advice?

Correct

But there death toll is increasing, Sweden is currently at 118 per million and rising, Denmark next door 55 per million.

Sweden is now up to 192 deaths per million population, compared to the UKs 267. But Sweden has a population only 3/4 million greater than Londonwhere was that source from as the one I just read said it was lower than that as of today.

Thing is we wont know till years down the line if Sweden's actions worked or not x"

Worldometers.info updated daily

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Do you really not understand how patronising it is to tell adults to have patience and they'd panic if they knew the truth, when their livelihood is on the line.

While we have differing opinions on the lockdown, it is clear from the posts you make that you are a sensible, educated individual

You might be able to take the truth in one go, absorb it and rationalise it and make sensible decisions off the back of it, however we really can’t credit everyone with the same intellect

Well I'll take any compliment i get these days so thank you. Ok what you said was entirely sensible so let's speculate. 2% of society are being absolute cunts and I'm in not way defending people ignoring lockdown. As much as I bitch about it, I've been following the rules as much as humanly possible... you know what it's like trying to navigate a big supermarket. 11% are in the middle and some of them way well be breaking it to earn money. But there's a dangerous myth that the only reason the virus is still spreading is because of the 2-13%. Which means lockdown can never fail because the answer to a failed lockdown will be more lockdown. The reality is that we need to learn to keep our economy functioning whilst keeping R1. So here's the speculation:

I speculate that the idiots who can't handle the news aren't very bright and don't run businesses, employ others or really make decisions that impact many other people. The worst they can do is get infected, infect others and end up in ICU.

I speculate that there is a much larger group of people who need the info. Most people work for a small business, not a large one. These are the people that make or break the economy. I know lots of these people and I expect you do too. I don't know any of them that had more than 3 months wages to pay staff, even at 20%. Given 45 days redundancy period and 3 month rolling lockdowns, we are never more than a couple of weeks away from them pulling the plug on jobs. How tragic would it be if millions of people became unemployed just weeks before the government said "ok go out but not in groups bigger than 25 and keep your distance as much as possible" which would probably make most jobs viable. Every hairdresser, restaurant, yoga instructor would be given a lifeline.

We can't be a lowest common denominator society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you really not understand how patronising it is to tell adults to have patience and they'd panic if they knew the truth, when their livelihood is on the line.

While we have differing opinions on the lockdown, it is clear from the posts you make that you are a sensible, educated individual

You might be able to take the truth in one go, absorb it and rationalise it and make sensible decisions off the back of it, however we really can’t credit everyone with the same intellect

We can't be a lowest common denominator society. "

Fair points, i think it though it seems like it is based in lockdown vs no lockdown which I’ve already seen you comment are not the only options

I think it will be phased not an over night change, i imagine hairdressers will be open quite a bit before restaurants , i would hope the information would be phased too, but don’t think that we would get more than a few weeks notice ... to be honest some companies will beed the notice to even get restocked and going again

We are getting tiny snippets more just now and I know you think its not enough but there is probably a huge amount of debate going on in the background about what business can be phased in because its safe, what needs to be phased in with additional safety measures because its one step down from key workers , and if they come out with decisions prematurely and change their mind they will get lynched

I also think while phasing seems like the sensible / safe trade off ... It will still cause uproar from the industries not included in the release of measures and alot of well if they can be out so can I

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won’t be signing. Nor will I be getting a vaccine or my children

So when will you decided to start taking an extra risk ?

As in? How do you mean “extra “ risk?

I assume you are currently adhering to the rules thus mitigating your risk

That's not going away if they lift or not

You're not taking a vaccination

Thus at what point will your mind say that your vulnerable lungs are going to risk the big wide world by not following lock down style precautions

Ie theoretically no meets for 2 4 6 years ever ??

Just curious how you're making your risk decisions "

I’ll make my risk decision as I choose. I don’t go out anyway before lockdown (very occasionally) I have common sense and awareness, I won’t be having a vaccine as that’s my choice. I am starting back at work next week as a nursing assistant in mental health so I am well aware of risks.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Fair points, i think it though it seems like it is based in lockdown vs no lockdown which I’ve already seen you comment are not the only options

Right now we have a sledgehammer approach which is frankly fucking stupid. We need to get past what's "essential" and start picking up the easy wins. How can anyone possibly argue against re-starting the premier league in closed stadiums. We're talking about a number of workers who wouldn't fill 2 schools and generate billions in tax revenues. It's frankly a no-brainer. It's got to be about risk vs reward, not just a blanket ban on everything non-essential. Yes we don't need 60,000 fans in stadiums but babies and bathwater.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would imagine there is alot more organisation goes on behind the scenes than just getting fans into the stadium normally but its not unrealistic for it to be done from home i guess. How do they make the revenue behind closed doors though? Is the tv revenue per game or per season (i genuinely have no clue)

I guess it also kicks starts a whole load of gambling revenue back up again with people betting on sports on apps

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

I guess it also kicks starts a whole load of gambling revenue back up again with people betting on sports on apps "

It's the TV revenue. The income from matchday tickets isn't what the majority of clubs in the premiership rely on to be profitable. More games = more TV ads = more money for TV rights to screen the games.

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By *ooljoeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

It's simple,good health is wealth and when there's no life then there's absolutely nothing thus no business, no customers....

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"think i'll skip it...

I did sign a petition the other day though....

feel free to sign that one!!!

Now that's a petition I will look at signing.

I don't agree with the opinion of the OP so won't be signing that. In my opinion, we need to stay in lockdown as long as is necessary, to reduce the death toll and pressure on hospitals.

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By *j48 OP Man
over a year ago

Wigan

I'm going to bet there are going to be a lot of people complaining in a few days when there wages arrive, if they arrive..

80% of net pay less tax at a guess

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By *j48 OP Man
over a year ago

Wigan

*their

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess it also kicks starts a whole load of gambling revenue back up again with people betting on sports on apps "

Premier League has to be voided. This whole thing will be worth it just to hear the scousers whining on about it for another 30 years of not winning the league

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm going to bet there are going to be a lot of people complaining in a few days when there wages arrive, if they arrive..

80% of net pay less tax at a guess

Got mine today. But my 20% cut goes towards topping up wages of Furloughed staff so no complaints from me.

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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago

birmingham

"think i'll skip it...

I did sign a petition the other day though....

feel free to sign that one!!!

Now that's a petition I will look at signing.

I don't agree with the opinion of the OP so won't be signing that. In my opinion, we need to stay in lockdown as long as is necessary, to reduce the death toll and pressure on hospitals. "

What if it's necessary to destroy the economy? Isn't that something we should be able to at least have a debate about?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

I guess it also kicks starts a whole load of gambling revenue back up again with people betting on sports on apps

Premier League has to be voided. This whole thing will be worth it just to hear the scousers whining on about it for another 30 years of not winning the league

National league ended today. Seems they are going to declare some promotion and relegation anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm going to bet there are going to be a lot of people complaining in a few days when there wages arrive, if they arrive..

80% of net pay less tax at a guess

Got mine today. But my 20% cut goes towards topping up wages of Furloughed staff so no complaints from me."

I get paid Friday but hopefully full pay. For how long. Who knows

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm going to bet there are going to be a lot of people complaining in a few days when there wages arrive, if they arrive..

80% of net pay less tax at a guess

Got mine today. But my 20% cut goes towards topping up wages of Furloughed staff so no complaints from me."

I dont understand this ... have you taken a 20% cut while working to bring people at 80% back up to 100%?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"think i'll skip it...

I did sign a petition the other day though....

feel free to sign that one!!!

Now that's a petition I will look at signing.

I don't agree with the opinion of the OP so won't be signing that. In my opinion, we need to stay in lockdown as long as is necessary, to reduce the death toll and pressure on hospitals.

What if it's necessary to destroy the economy? Isn't that something we should be able to at least have a debate about? "

Have a debate about what ? Allowing hundreds of thousands to contract the virus and pass it on as opposed to all going the pub?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm going to bet there are going to be a lot of people complaining in a few days when there wages arrive, if they arrive..

80% of net pay less tax at a guess

Got mine today. But my 20% cut goes towards topping up wages of Furloughed staff so no complaints from me.

I dont understand this ... have you taken a 20% cut while working to bring people at 80% back up to 100%?"

No. A large proportion furloughed will not even get 50%. The few of us still working means their wage is topped up to about 60%.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"think i'll skip it...

I did sign a petition the other day though....

feel free to sign that one!!!

Now that's a petition I will look at signing.

I don't agree with the opinion of the OP so won't be signing that. In my opinion, we need to stay in lockdown as long as is necessary, to reduce the death toll and pressure on hospitals.

What if it's necessary to destroy the economy? Isn't that something we should be able to at least have a debate about?

Have a debate about what ? Allowing hundreds of thousands to contract the virus and pass it on as opposed to all going the pub?"

It's not about going to the pub is it.

It's about people's livelihoods their house.

Their family.

If they can put food in their kids mouths.

What people are saying is that there needs to be a fine balance .

People cant survive on fresh air.

People need to work.

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