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"So it is safer to open a University or a dentist than a restaurant or pub ? " There's a balance to be struck between safety, and importance to the country. It's probably more important to get dentists and universities back up and running, than it is pubs. | |||
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"So it is safer to open a University or a dentist than a restaurant or pub ?" Have you seen the price of them filling kits? They were around 4 quid on ebay. They are now 40 quid and none to be found in chemists...I have a broken front tooth ffs  | |||
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"So it is safer to open a University or a dentist than a restaurant or pub ? There's a balance to be struck between safety, and importance to the country. It's probably more important to get dentists and universities back up and running, than it is pubs. " Its better to let people lose there jobs mortgages houses life sink into depression but where okay so don't have a cold | |||
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"There is no cure or vaccine and maybe never will, so mixing is the only way out heard immunity. When we wake up and relise this we can get back to normal, instead of stretching it out ." There is currently no scientific evidence of heard immunity. In fact that was a phrase most people hadn't heard of 3 monthes ago. Now everyone thinks themselves as pathologists. Ironically none of the so called scientific advisors in the government are actually pathologists. | |||
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"There is no cure or vaccine and maybe never will, so mixing is the only way out heard immunity. When we wake up and relise this we can get back to normal, instead of stretching it out . There is currently no scientific evidence of heard immunity. In fact that was a phrase most people hadn't heard of 3 monthes ago. Now everyone thinks themselves as pathologists. Ironically none of the so called scientific advisors in the government are actually pathologists. " The best most advanced labs in the world or working on a cure. If you want to see one working look in the mirror it's mankind's best hope. | |||
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"There is no cure or vaccine and maybe never will, so mixing is the only way out heard immunity. When we wake up and relise this we can get back to normal, instead of stretching it out . There is currently no scientific evidence of heard immunity. In fact that was a phrase most people hadn't heard of 3 monthes ago. Now everyone thinks themselves as pathologists. Ironically none of the so called scientific advisors in the government are actually pathologists. " There is some evidence that having the condition means you dont get it a second time in 85% of people. Thats from a study in wuhan. Its even possible those people havent recontracted it but sinply havent cleared their system of it fully | |||
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"There is no cure or vaccine and maybe never will, so mixing is the only way out heard immunity. When we wake up and relise this we can get back to normal, instead of stretching it out . There is currently no scientific evidence of heard immunity. In fact that was a phrase most people hadn't heard of 3 monthes ago. Now everyone thinks themselves as pathologists. Ironically none of the so called scientific advisors in the government are actually pathologists. " of course there is evidence. measles was pretty wiped out in uk thanks to the mmr jab - this is herd immunity. then dr wakefield came around with his discredited paper - people stopped giving their kids the mmr jab and cases came back, especially in areas where there was a low uptake of the mmr jab. | |||
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"Just need to understand there will be rounds of this returning, with potential for further lock downs. " More lockdowns at 300 billion a time get real not going to happen. | |||
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"Just need to understand there will be rounds of this returning, with potential for further lock downs. I think there'll be more lockdowns as and when needed " | |||
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"There is no cure or vaccine and maybe never will, so mixing is the only way out heard immunity. When we wake up and relise this we can get back to normal, instead of stretching it out . There is currently no scientific evidence of heard immunity. In fact that was a phrase most people hadn't heard of 3 monthes ago. Now everyone thinks themselves as pathologists. Ironically none of the so called scientific advisors in the government are actually pathologists. There is some evidence that having the condition means you dont get it a second time in 85% of people. Thats from a study in wuhan. Its even possible those people havent recontracted it but sinply havent cleared their system of it fully" Do you have a link? I've always suspected reinfection rates would be low but would love some hard evidence. I tried googling it but nothing came up. | |||
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"Just need to understand there will be rounds of this returning, with potential for further lock downs. More lockdowns at 300 billion a time get real not going to happen. " Really..hate to say it..she right ..your wrong..it's not going to be a quick fix | |||
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"There won’t be a quick fix .... but what’s the difference between being in a supermarket (no way social distancing being adhered too) to being in a pub??? I’m hoping pubs open by start of June .... 15th June being handed about in media " It's about the importance of virtue signalling. They are itching to re-open the schools so ~9m kids can go pack themselves into classrooms of 30. But heaven forbid we let 25 guys run around a football pitch. | |||
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"Just need to understand there will be rounds of this returning, with potential for further lock downs. More lockdowns at 300 billion a time get real not going to happen. Really..hate to say it..she right ..your wrong..it's not going to be a quick fix" Pretty definitive there... Can we lend your crystal ball mate? Can we just have a reality check for all the experts on here.....nobody actually knows what will happen or when it will happen. | |||
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"There is no cure or vaccine and maybe never will, so mixing is the only way out heard immunity. When we wake up and relise this we can get back to normal, instead of stretching it out ." I hope you don't have to remember saying that when your 36th in the queue for an icu bed | |||
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"It's about the importance of virtue signalling. They are itching to re-open the schools so ~9m kids can go pack themselves into classrooms of 30. But heaven forbid we let 25 guys run around a football pitch." Surely it’s more about those going to watch the football match and them all being in close proximity? | |||
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"It's about the importance of virtue signalling. They are itching to re-open the schools so ~9m kids can go pack themselves into classrooms of 30. But heaven forbid we let 25 guys run around a football pitch. Surely it’s more about those going to watch the football match and them all being in close proximity? " The premier league should resume in closed stadiums right away. It's a good source of tax revenue and helps kill the boredom of quarantine. | |||
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" Having a good shit cures alot of evils. " Yeah but nobody has got any toilet paper anymore  | |||
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" Having a good shit cures alot of evils. " Aw god that's just reminded me of that awful 1 priest 1 nun video. | |||
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"Just need to understand there will be rounds of this returning, with potential for further lock downs. More lockdowns at 300 billion a time get real not going to happen. " I bet in january you would have said the same about a first lockdown... get real it we are in the middle of it | |||
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"There won’t be a quick fix .... but what’s the difference between being in a supermarket (no way social distancing being adhered too) to being in a pub??? I’m hoping pubs open by start of June .... 15th June being handed about in media It's about the importance of virtue signalling. They are itching to re-open the schools so ~9m kids can go pack themselves into classrooms of 30. But heaven forbid we let 25 guys run around a football pitch." Because education is more important than entertainment And the same for the pubs and supermarkets comment... the ability to buy food is somewhat more essential than the ability to get d*unk around friends ... people really aren’t so obtuse that they can’t see the difference are they? | |||
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" Having a good shit cures alot of evils. Aw god that's just reminded me of that awful 1 priest 1 nun video. "  | |||
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"There won’t be a quick fix .... but what’s the difference between being in a supermarket (no way social distancing being adhered too) to being in a pub??? I’m hoping pubs open by start of June .... 15th June being handed about in media It's about the importance of virtue signalling. They are itching to re-open the schools so ~9m kids can go pack themselves into classrooms of 30. But heaven forbid we let 25 guys run around a football pitch. Because education is more important than entertainment And the same for the pubs and supermarkets comment... the ability to buy food is somewhat more essential than the ability to get d*unk around friends ... people really aren’t so obtuse that they can’t see the difference are they? " And some people don't seem to appreciate economics or probability. Send 9 million kids and half a million teachers into an activity that is funded by taxes or send a few hundred people out to generate some tax revenue, yeah hard choice  | |||
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"So does anyone think this site should encourage meets whilst there is still a government lockdown " Definately not in my opinion, what is yours? | |||
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"So does anyone think this site should encourage meets whilst there is still a government lockdown " No and it's against Fab rules to do so. | |||
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" Test, trace contacts and fully isolate anyone infected. " Im not trying to be challenging here , genuinely interested Ive seen a number of people talk about how quickly we gave up our civil liberties and how wrong that is ... what are these peoples thoughts on the level of monitoring that would be required for the track and trace? And then what locking away the sick... how does that sit with your thoughts on human rights and civil liberty? | |||
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"So does anyone think this site should encourage meets whilst there is still a government lockdown " Absolutely definitely not. You may as well ask if the site would encourage russian roulette, using a gatling gun pointed at other people. | |||
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" Test, trace contacts and fully isolate anyone infected. Im not trying to be challenging here , genuinely interested Ive seen a number of people talk about how quickly we gave up our civil liberties and how wrong that is ... what are these peoples thoughts on the level of monitoring that would be required for the track and trace? And then what locking away the sick... how does that sit with your thoughts on human rights and civil liberty? " I bought up civil liberties and yes I'm perfectly happy with a tracing scheme. The minor loss of liberty allowing the government to trace me via a mobile phone isn't comparable to depriving people of their right to earn a living from their chosen profession, which is what we currently have now. Likewise I'd give a swab test as part of a mass testing programme too. | |||
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" Test, trace contacts and fully isolate anyone infected. Im not trying to be challenging here , genuinely interested Ive seen a number of people talk about how quickly we gave up our civil liberties and how wrong that is ... what are these peoples thoughts on the level of monitoring that would be required for the track and trace? And then what locking away the sick... how does that sit with your thoughts on human rights and civil liberty? I bought up civil liberties and yes I'm perfectly happy with a tracing scheme. The minor loss of liberty allowing the government to trace me via a mobile phone isn't comparable to depriving people of their right to earn a living from their chosen profession, which is what we currently have now. Likewise I'd give a swab test as part of a mass testing programme too. " Im surprised that you think of tracking you via your mobile phone as minor, i would have thought it was a massive invasion of privacy, and unlike a lockdown which can only ever be temporary, I think tracing citizens would be the genie out the bottle as there will always be a “risk” of a future new virus so they always need that data available... given how strongly the country did not want national ID cards I dont see that sitting well with people generally | |||
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" Test, trace contacts and fully isolate anyone infected. Im not trying to be challenging here , genuinely interested Ive seen a number of people talk about how quickly we gave up our civil liberties and how wrong that is ... what are these peoples thoughts on the level of monitoring that would be required for the track and trace? And then what locking away the sick... how does that sit with your thoughts on human rights and civil liberty? I bought up civil liberties and yes I'm perfectly happy with a tracing scheme. The minor loss of liberty allowing the government to trace me via a mobile phone isn't comparable to depriving people of their right to earn a living from their chosen profession, which is what we currently have now. Likewise I'd give a swab test as part of a mass testing programme too. Im surprised that you think of tracking you via your mobile phone as minor, i would have thought it was a massive invasion of privacy, and unlike a lockdown which can only ever be temporary, I think tracing citizens would be the genie out the bottle as there will always be a “risk” of a future new virus so they always need that data available... given how strongly the country did not want national ID cards I dont see that sitting well with people generally " There are about 8 tools at the governments disposal to fight coronavirus. Lockdown is the most invasive, most expensive and doesn't even generate superior health outcomes. Given the alternatives people need to get a grip on the choices we have. | |||
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""If it's something that has no value other than entertainment, and by it's very nature involves many people packing together closely - it will not happen until covid-19 is no longer any threat." everything has a value....everything. From football to Formula 1 From listening to a classical recital to watching the Rocky Horror Picture Show. If all of these activities are laid low until Coronavirus is stopped...there will be no sports pastimes or entertainment venues as well as pubs and restaurants. You cannot keep locking down until a vaccine is found the same as you cannot force people to isolate for months on end. This virus will still be around when we come out of lockdown.... what happens then... lockdown again? I'm self employed with no savings and absolutely no income now.... no grants no handouts... nothing. My one passion is kayaking....good for mental health etc and fitness...I can launch into the water about 10 minutes from my house...no human contact ..BUT...not allowed and enforceable with a police fine ? This is a tragic horrible virus... but we have to be disciplined and try to lead a normal life again as soon as possible. For our mental health our fitness and health..and the economy. Millions will soon be unemployed..poverty will rise...poor health will be on the up...companies will go bust...sports will cease to exist, you cannot race or play football etc in locked out arenas..the fans make the sports. " It doesn't need an indefinite lockdown. It needs several weeks of lockdown with people actually obeying the rules, to allow people who are already infected to either get better or die. Then lockdown rules can be gradually reduced, but because there will still be a small number of asymptomatic carriers remaining, we have to keep enforcing social distancing to prevent any future mass flare up. There may be small flare ups, but with social distancing these will not spread far and should be containable with testing and short term isolation of individuals. But any activity that has potential to allow one individual to infect many in an untraceable way is simply not going to be allowed, it's not just danger to the ones taking part in the activity, it is a massive danger to the entire population, and by extension to the economy. 20 thousand people all crowded into a stadium for 3 hours, then scattering to the four corners of the country? Multiplied by dozens of similar events during each week, with the attendees of each one mixing with a different lot of attendees from another the next week? So no, there will be no more football matches until there is either vaccine or effective treatment. But solitary kayaking? Yes, as soon as rules are relaxed, there's no reason to prevent anybody doing solitary sports - as long as they remain solitary. | |||
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"There is no cure or vaccine and maybe never will, so mixing is the only way out heard immunity. When we wake up and relise this we can get back to normal, instead of stretching it out . There is currently no scientific evidence of heard immunity. In fact that was a phrase most people hadn't heard of 3 monthes ago. Now everyone thinks themselves as pathologists. Ironically none of the so called scientific advisors in the government are actually pathologists. " I think anyone that has children, and has to go through getting them vaccinated as babies and preschoolers will of heard of and understand herd immunity | |||
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" Test, trace contacts and fully isolate anyone infected. Im not trying to be challenging here , genuinely interested Ive seen a number of people talk about how quickly we gave up our civil liberties and how wrong that is ... what are these peoples thoughts on the level of monitoring that would be required for the track and trace? And then what locking away the sick... how does that sit with your thoughts on human rights and civil liberty? " Nobody is locking away sick people indefinitely. It is a totally different thing to isolate people who are suffering from a communicable deadly dangerous disease until they have recovered and can no longer pass it to others. If this was ebola, with sick people leaking blood from eyes, nose, mouth and other orifices, would there be even a single person having a problem with isolating those known to be sick, or even isolating those suspected to have been in contact with someone who had the disease? If this was ebola I'm bloody sure that the first thought of everybody would be to keep as far away from everyone else as possible, and fuck civil liberties! | |||
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" Test, trace contacts and fully isolate anyone infected. Im not trying to be challenging here , genuinely interested Ive seen a number of people talk about how quickly we gave up our civil liberties and how wrong that is ... what are these peoples thoughts on the level of monitoring that would be required for the track and trace? And then what locking away the sick... how does that sit with your thoughts on human rights and civil liberty? Nobody is locking away sick people indefinitely. It is a totally different thing to isolate people who are suffering from a communicable deadly dangerous disease until they have recovered and can no longer pass it to others. If this was ebola, with sick people leaking blood from eyes, nose, mouth and other orifices, would there be even a single person having a problem with isolating those known to be sick, or even isolating those suspected to have been in contact with someone who had the disease? If this was ebola I'm bloody sure that the first thought of everybody would be to keep as far away from everyone else as possible, and fuck civil liberties! " | |||
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" Test, trace contacts and fully isolate anyone infected. Im not trying to be challenging here , genuinely interested Ive seen a number of people talk about how quickly we gave up our civil liberties and how wrong that is ... what are these peoples thoughts on the level of monitoring that would be required for the track and trace? And then what locking away the sick... how does that sit with your thoughts on human rights and civil liberty? " We should have limited loosening on our liberties, where essential. Infections transmitted to others will we'd hope be reduced to fewer than 1 person per individual carrying the infection. Huge volumes of testing undertaken will help to narrow down who is infected. We'd start to identify locations that are hotspots. Testing is intrusive but most people would prefer to know and to isolate but be under observation at a distance, to ensure that they get care if needed. Tech used for contact tracing is an option but not fully ready due to apple and Google having limitations atm, plus many older vulnerable people may not have the tech or aptitude to use it in isolation. I think the solution is to have many testing stations and affiliations, such as with employers etc, to help to facilitate mass testing. Testing has a cost, including loss of personal time and travel. It would initially give a much clearer picture of how widespread the disease is here. It would also help those who are infected to not infect any further people and trace those they're engaged with, further reducing additional infections. By targeting resources on to those who most are in need of it and reducing risks each time, we would be using our resources wisely. | |||
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" Test, trace contacts and fully isolate anyone infected. Im not trying to be challenging here , genuinely interested Ive seen a number of people talk about how quickly we gave up our civil liberties and how wrong that is ... what are these peoples thoughts on the level of monitoring that would be required for the track and trace? And then what locking away the sick... how does that sit with your thoughts on human rights and civil liberty? We should have limited loosening on our liberties, where essential. Infections transmitted to others will we'd hope be reduced to fewer than 1 person per individual carrying the infection. Huge volumes of testing undertaken will help to narrow down who is infected. We'd start to identify locations that are hotspots. Testing is intrusive but most people would prefer to know and to isolate but be under observation at a distance, to ensure that they get care if needed. Tech used for contact tracing is an option but not fully ready due to apple and Google having limitations atm, plus many older vulnerable people may not have the tech or aptitude to use it in isolation. I think the solution is to have many testing stations and affiliations, such as with employers etc, to help to facilitate mass testing. Testing has a cost, including loss of personal time and travel. It would initially give a much clearer picture of how widespread the disease is here. It would also help those who are infected to not infect any further people and trace those they're engaged with, further reducing additional infections. By targeting resources on to those who most are in need of it and reducing risks each time, we would be using our resources wisely. " Precisely  | |||
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" Test, trace contacts and fully isolate anyone infected. Im not trying to be challenging here , genuinely interested Ive seen a number of people talk about how quickly we gave up our civil liberties and how wrong that is ... what are these peoples thoughts on the level of monitoring that would be required for the track and trace? And then what locking away the sick... how does that sit with your thoughts on human rights and civil liberty? Nobody is locking away sick people indefinitely. It is a totally different thing to isolate people who are suffering from a communicable deadly dangerous disease until they have recovered and can no longer pass it to others. If this was ebola, with sick people leaking blood from eyes, nose, mouth and other orifices, would there be even a single person having a problem with isolating those known to be sick, or even isolating those suspected to have been in contact with someone who had the disease? If this was ebola I'm bloody sure that the first thought of everybody would be to keep as far away from everyone else as possible, and fuck civil liberties! " You see how it is fuck civil liberties as long as its not your own though? I don't actually have a problem being traced, i am one of the bunch with an alexa in every room of my house, spy away i have nothing to hide ... also don't have a problem being tested ...despite it bring invasive as someone has said i doubt anyone will object to a test (can see some objecting to a vaccine but thats another matter) I just find it interesting that people don’t really have an issue with civil liberty in general being infringed upon , they have an issue with what impacts them personally most negatively | |||
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" I just find it interesting that people don’t really have an issue with civil liberty in general being infringed upon , they have an issue with what impacts them personally most negatively " For the record, I'm working and my job isn't effected by this. I just don't like seeing other people lose their entire businesses and life savings unnecessarily but I just I'm a bleeding heart type. | |||
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" Test, trace contacts and fully isolate anyone infected. Im not trying to be challenging here , genuinely interested Ive seen a number of people talk about how quickly we gave up our civil liberties and how wrong that is ... what are these peoples thoughts on the level of monitoring that would be required for the track and trace? And then what locking away the sick... how does that sit with your thoughts on human rights and civil liberty? We should have limited loosening on our liberties, where essential. Infections transmitted to others will we'd hope be reduced to fewer than 1 person per individual carrying the infection. Huge volumes of testing undertaken will help to narrow down who is infected. We'd start to identify locations that are hotspots. Testing is intrusive but most people would prefer to know and to isolate but be under observation at a distance, to ensure that they get care if needed. Tech used for contact tracing is an option but not fully ready due to apple and Google having limitations atm, plus many older vulnerable people may not have the tech or aptitude to use it in isolation. I think the solution is to have many testing stations and affiliations, such as with employers etc, to help to facilitate mass testing. Testing has a cost, including loss of personal time and travel. It would initially give a much clearer picture of how widespread the disease is here. It would also help those who are infected to not infect any further people and trace those they're engaged with, further reducing additional infections. By targeting resources on to those who most are in need of it and reducing risks each time, we would be using our resources wisely. " This makes alot of sense but i guess its a bit like how people talk about std tests on here, its not worth the paper its written on by the time the results come out because how many more have you been in contact with since then? It will reduce the risk but definitely wont remove it , they need to prove out the antibody theory if possible and start testing that way, get those people back out working permanently and others phased in and out with repeat testing til they also have antibodies | |||
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" Test, trace contacts and fully isolate anyone infected. Im not trying to be challenging here , genuinely interested Ive seen a number of people talk about how quickly we gave up our civil liberties and how wrong that is ... what are these peoples thoughts on the level of monitoring that would be required for the track and trace? And then what locking away the sick... how does that sit with your thoughts on human rights and civil liberty? Nobody is locking away sick people indefinitely. It is a totally different thing to isolate people who are suffering from a communicable deadly dangerous disease until they have recovered and can no longer pass it to others. If this was ebola, with sick people leaking blood from eyes, nose, mouth and other orifices, would there be even a single person having a problem with isolating those known to be sick, or even isolating those suspected to have been in contact with someone who had the disease? If this was ebola I'm bloody sure that the first thought of everybody would be to keep as far away from everyone else as possible, and fuck civil liberties! You see how it is fuck civil liberties as long as its not your own though? I don't actually have a problem being traced, i am one of the bunch with an alexa in every room of my house, spy away i have nothing to hide ... also don't have a problem being tested ...despite it bring invasive as someone has said i doubt anyone will object to a test (can see some objecting to a vaccine but thats another matter) I just find it interesting that people don’t really have an issue with civil liberty in general being infringed upon , they have an issue with what impacts them personally most negatively " I don't hold my civil liberties above the right of the society i live in to be protected if i am carrying a dangerous disease. Civil liberties do not exist as absolutes, they are conditional upon social obligations. In this specific case society has to necessarily endure a period of change in order to accommodate a new circumstance that threatens global health. Many things may go back to normal within weeks or months. Some things may be altered for ever. The "right" that we have become used to, of large numbers of people to gather in public or private without having to get approval from authorities - or in most cases to even notify authorities - is temporarily incompatible with the "right" of other people to not be exposed to a major health hazard. In this particular case, in my particular opinion (but i would hope most sensible folk would agree with me), the needs of public health should come first - because there is always the opportunity to have that mass gathering tomorrow, but dead today is dead forever. | |||
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"So does anyone think this site should encourage meets whilst there is still a government lockdown " No. People maybe meeting privately but it would be irresponsible for the site to encourage meets at a time when you can't even see family or friends. Plus many of the users support what fab are doing | |||
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" Test, trace contacts and fully isolate anyone infected. Im not trying to be challenging here , genuinely interested Ive seen a number of people talk about how quickly we gave up our civil liberties and how wrong that is ... what are these peoples thoughts on the level of monitoring that would be required for the track and trace? And then what locking away the sick... how does that sit with your thoughts on human rights and civil liberty? Nobody is locking away sick people indefinitely. It is a totally different thing to isolate people who are suffering from a communicable deadly dangerous disease until they have recovered and can no longer pass it to others. If this was ebola, with sick people leaking blood from eyes, nose, mouth and other orifices, would there be even a single person having a problem with isolating those known to be sick, or even isolating those suspected to have been in contact with someone who had the disease? If this was ebola I'm bloody sure that the first thought of everybody would be to keep as far away from everyone else as possible, and fuck civil liberties! You see how it is fuck civil liberties as long as its not your own though? I don't actually have a problem being traced, i am one of the bunch with an alexa in every room of my house, spy away i have nothing to hide ... also don't have a problem being tested ...despite it bring invasive as someone has said i doubt anyone will object to a test (can see some objecting to a vaccine but thats another matter) I just find it interesting that people don’t really have an issue with civil liberty in general being infringed upon , they have an issue with what impacts them personally most negatively I don't hold my civil liberties above the right of the society i live in to be protected if i am carrying a dangerous disease. Civil liberties do not exist as absolutes, they are conditional upon social obligations. In this specific case society has to necessarily endure a period of change in order to accommodate a new circumstance that threatens global health. Many things may go back to normal within weeks or months. Some things may be altered for ever. The "right" that we have become used to, of large numbers of people to gather in public or private without having to get approval from authorities - or in most cases to even notify authorities - is temporarily incompatible with the "right" of other people to not be exposed to a major health hazard. In this particular case, in my particular opinion (but i would hope most sensible folk would agree with me), the needs of public health should come first - because there is always the opportunity to have that mass gathering tomorrow, but dead today is dead forever." I think we might have gotten crossed wires in earlier post because i agree with everything you just said ... i think its right that its society collectively just now though, taking responsibility together until reliable testing is in place, if we tried to quarantine only the sick too soon it would become a witch hunt used to cover up all manner of other bias | |||
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"... Im surprised that you think of tracking you via your mobile phone as minor, i would have thought it was a massive invasion of privacy..." It already happens. They just don't make it public. Don't you know about your own timeline in Google maps? How many switch it off? And if you switch it off do you really believe it's off 100%? | |||
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"... Im surprised that you think of tracking you via your mobile phone as minor, i would have thought it was a massive invasion of privacy... It already happens. They just don't make it public. Don't you know about your own timeline in Google maps? How many switch it off? And if you switch it off do you really believe it's off 100%?" The capability is there regardless of whether you have maps or gps data running in the background. Switching your phone off will not change the ability to be tracked. This technology has been around for years and helps solve crime / find missing persons amongst other things. Contrary to the belief of some, a police force (or anyone else for that matter) cannot just access this information nor can they use it indiscriminately. | |||
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"... Im surprised that you think of tracking you via your mobile phone as minor, i would have thought it was a massive invasion of privacy... It already happens. They just don't make it public. Don't you know about your own timeline in Google maps? How many switch it off? And if you switch it off do you really believe it's off 100%? The capability is there regardless of whether you have maps or gps data running in the background. Switching your phone off will not change the ability to be tracked. This technology has been around for years and helps solve crime / find missing persons amongst other things. Contrary to the belief of some, a police force (or anyone else for that matter) cannot just access this information nor can they use it indiscriminately. " Presumably until we freely give them permission for virus tracing purposes, then how long til they are able to argue to a judge it is information freely offered up to the state so how can it be refused as evidence ... or maybe i watch too many tv shows  | |||
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"... Im surprised that you think of tracking you via your mobile phone as minor, i would have thought it was a massive invasion of privacy... It already happens. They just don't make it public. Don't you know about your own timeline in Google maps? How many switch it off? And if you switch it off do you really believe it's off 100%? The capability is there regardless of whether you have maps or gps data running in the background. Switching your phone off will not change the ability to be tracked. This technology has been around for years and helps solve crime / find missing persons amongst other things. Contrary to the belief of some, a police force (or anyone else for that matter) cannot just access this information nor can they use it indiscriminately. Presumably until we freely give them permission for virus tracing purposes, then how long til they are able to argue to a judge it is information freely offered up to the state so how can it be refused as evidence ... or maybe i watch too many tv shows "You’re kind of on the right lines, although any authority applying for data has to satisfy 3 conditions. Necessity - could the information be obtained in another (simpler) means, Proportionality - does the offence justify acquiring this information, Collateral Intrusion - what 3rd parties could be affected by this information and how will their data be managed safely. All applications have to be signed off at the appropriate level which would never happen in this instance. | |||
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"There can be a cautious restart of services such as dentists where hygiene precautions are already taken, higher level education where it is possible to enforce distancing between students, various types of businesses which by their nature do not involve close personal contact, etc. But the very nature of pubs, concerts, mass audience sporting events, is to concentrate people together, reduce social distance, promote personal contact. So of course there will be a sliding scale unlock and restart. If it's essential, it's continued anyway, although with attempts to do it as safely as possible. If it's non-essential, but useful and valuable long term, and can be operated in a safe way, it will be restarted as soon as it can be. If it's something that has no value other than entertainment, and by it's very nature involves many people packing together closely - it will not happen until covid-19 is no longer any threat." Somewhere between 12 and 18 months | |||
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" of course there is evidence. measles was pretty wiped out in uk thanks to the mmr jab - this is herd immunity. then dr wakefield came around with his discredited paper - people stopped giving their kids the mmr jab and cases came back, especially in areas where there was a low uptake of the mmr jab." That was one of the reasons but for many the main reason was the Government dropped the single vaccinations in favour of the triple vaccination that a number of groups with medical conditions were advised not to take. | |||
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"There is no cure or vaccine and maybe never will, so mixing is the only way out heard immunity. When we wake up and relise this we can get back to normal, instead of stretching it out . There is currently no scientific evidence of heard immunity. In fact that was a phrase most people hadn't heard of 3 monthes ago. Now everyone thinks themselves as pathologists. Ironically none of the so called scientific advisors in the government are actually pathologists. " Heard. To have recieved a sound ie i heard the door shut,i heard the motorbikes Herd a group or gathering of animals ie a gaggle of geese, a swarm of bees. | |||
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"Just need to understand there will be rounds of this returning, with potential for further lock downs. More lockdowns at 300 billion a time get real not going to happen. Really..hate to say it..she right ..your wrong..it's not going to be a quick fix Pretty definitive there... Can we lend your crystal ball mate? Can we just have a reality check for all the experts on here.....nobody actually knows what will happen or when it will happen. " And what he said sounded a bit like shite! | |||
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"... Im surprised that you think of tracking you via your mobile phone as minor, i would have thought it was a massive invasion of privacy... It already happens. They just don't make it public. Don't you know about your own timeline in Google maps? How many switch it off? And if you switch it off do you really believe it's off 100%? The capability is there regardless of whether you have maps or gps data running in the background. Switching your phone off will not change the ability to be tracked. This technology has been around for years and helps solve crime / find missing persons amongst other things. Contrary to the belief of some, a police force (or anyone else for that matter) cannot just access this information nor can they use it indiscriminately. Presumably until we freely give them permission for virus tracing purposes, then how long til they are able to argue to a judge it is information freely offered up to the state so how can it be refused as evidence ... or maybe i watch too many tv shows
You’re kind of on the right lines, although any authority applying for data has to satisfy 3 conditions. Necessity - could the information be obtained in another (simpler) means, Proportionality - does the offence justify acquiring this information, Collateral Intrusion - what 3rd parties could be affected by this information and how will their data be managed safely. All applications have to be signed off at the appropriate level which would never happen in this instance. "In which instance? You mention offences and it’s a cv thread.... unsure what the instance is..? | |||
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"There is no cure or vaccine and maybe never will, so mixing is the only way out heard immunity. When we wake up and relise this we can get back to normal, instead of stretching it out . There is currently no scientific evidence of heard immunity. In fact that was a phrase most people hadn't heard of 3 monthes ago. Now everyone thinks themselves as pathologists. Ironically none of the so called scientific advisors in the government are actually pathologists. Heard. To have recieved a sound ie i heard the door shut,i heard the motorbikes Herd a group or gathering of animals ie a gaggle of geese, a swarm of bees. " The best you could do on this thread?!!! | |||
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" Test, trace contacts and fully isolate anyone infected. Im not trying to be challenging here , genuinely interested Ive seen a number of people talk about how quickly we gave up our civil liberties and how wrong that is ... what are these peoples thoughts on the level of monitoring that would be required for the track and trace? And then what locking away the sick... how does that sit with your thoughts on human rights and civil liberty? I bought up civil liberties and yes I'm perfectly happy with a tracing scheme. The minor loss of liberty allowing the government to trace me via a mobile phone isn't comparable to depriving people of their right to earn a living from their chosen profession, which is what we currently have now. Likewise I'd give a swab test as part of a mass testing programme too. Im surprised that you think of tracking you via your mobile phone as minor, i would have thought it was a massive invasion of privacy, and unlike a lockdown which can only ever be temporary, I think tracing citizens would be the genie out the bottle as there will always be a “risk” of a future new virus so they always need that data available... given how strongly the country did not want national ID cards I dont see that sitting well with people generally " Compared to other countries this isn't a lockdown, in France everytime you go further than 1km from your house you have to fill out a form. If you venture too far, or don't fill in the form you get a fine, then the fine goes up, continue to break the rules could lead to a €4000 fine, wearing a tag for two months. | |||
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" Test, trace contacts and fully isolate anyone infected. Im not trying to be challenging here , genuinely interested Ive seen a number of people talk about how quickly we gave up our civil liberties and how wrong that is ... what are these peoples thoughts on the level of monitoring that would be required for the track and trace? And then what locking away the sick... how does that sit with your thoughts on human rights and civil liberty? I bought up civil liberties and yes I'm perfectly happy with a tracing scheme. The minor loss of liberty allowing the government to trace me via a mobile phone isn't comparable to depriving people of their right to earn a living from their chosen profession, which is what we currently have now. Likewise I'd give a swab test as part of a mass testing programme too. Im surprised that you think of tracking you via your mobile phone as minor, i would have thought it was a massive invasion of privacy, and unlike a lockdown which can only ever be temporary, I think tracing citizens would be the genie out the bottle as there will always be a “risk” of a future new virus so they always need that data available... given how strongly the country did not want national ID cards I dont see that sitting well with people generally Compared to other countries this isn't a lockdown, in France everytime you go further than 1km from your house you have to fill out a form. If you venture too far, or don't fill in the form you get a fine, then the fine goes up, continue to break the rules could lead to a €4000 fine, wearing a tag for two months." And France figures are worse than the UK so what's your point ? | |||
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"The teams can afford to test all the players privately. So as long as all the players tested clear, that could work. " | |||
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"So does anyone think this site should encourage meets whilst there is still a government lockdown " The site isn't encouraging meets, quite the reverse. | |||
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"Just need to understand there will be rounds of this returning, with potential for further lock downs. More lockdowns at 300 billion a time get real not going to happen. Really..hate to say it..she right ..your wrong..it's not going to be a quick fix Pretty definitive there... Can we lend your crystal ball mate? Can we just have a reality check for all the experts on here.....nobody actually knows what will happen or when it will happen. " This
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