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PPE and private care homes

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By *acko9568 OP   Man
over a year ago

saltburn

Great letter in today’s paper:

Many people have sold their homes to pay for their stay in a care home. Surely these private businesses should provide their own PPE and not rely on the NHS to provide them free, subsidising the businesses

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Great letter in today’s paper:

Many people have sold their homes to pay for their stay in a care home. Surely these private businesses should provide their own PPE and not rely on the NHS to provide them free, subsidising the businesses"

I mentioned this before..what type of responsibility do the gmnt have re social care?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Care house needs sorting out when thus is over its just a money making machine. They not there really for care it's there for profit.

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By *acko9568 OP   Man
over a year ago

saltburn


"Care house needs sorting out when thus is over its just a money making machine. They not there really for care it's there for profit. "

As is being proven now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think they do buy it themselves...but COVID-19 requires added ppe that is not available on the open market apart from amazon and ebay at inflated prices.

They deal with government approved companies for this... but they are simply not delivering...

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By *acko9568 OP   Man
over a year ago

saltburn

It would be interesting to know HOW MUCH stock these had, as a matter of routine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It would be interesting to know HOW MUCH stock these had, as a matter of routine."

Probably buy like groceries...little more then a few weeks supply. But it has rocketed in price and very little stock to buy. Not really thier fault so it's pointless just looking for SOMEONE to lash out at

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

Many Care Providers are saying there just isn't enough PPE to be got because it has mostly been marked for distribution to the NHS.

Although most local autorities commission care provision from private companies they also provide those units in-house too.

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By *oved Up 2Couple
over a year ago

nottingham

Care homes do supply their own PPE. However we are in unusual times and, not only are they having difficulty sourcing it, but when they do prices are hiked up considerably

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

Care homes have a mixture of residents.

Some are placed there by the local authority who don't pay the full amount.

Some are privately there and are paid for in other waus like own assets or relatives.

Care homes do not force people to sell their homes in order to pay for care, that's the Government.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

There's global competition for supplies and the government remains responsible for the health of the nation. It would be irresponsible, at best, to knowingly let residents remain in homes, rather than be in hospital, whilst staff can pick up the infection or pass it on to others.

Published death rates have excluded those from care homes at daily briefings but hundreds have died, many more infected.

It's obvious that we need a drastic change to our social care system, with greater state investment and involvement. We can change some things now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's global competition for supplies and the government remains responsible for the health of the nation. It would be irresponsible, at best, to knowingly let residents remain in homes, rather than be in hospital, whilst staff can pick up the infection or pass it on to others.

Published death rates have excluded those from care homes at daily briefings but hundreds have died, many more infected.

It's obvious that we need a drastic change to our social care system, with greater state investment and involvement. We can change some things now. "
A lot of people get very rich running care homes, go down any sea front and see how much money worth of property are in the care sector. Why have we let this go on for so long,time to bring it into public sector and save some money plus lives.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"There's global competition for supplies and the government remains responsible for the health of the nation. It would be irresponsible, at best, to knowingly let residents remain in homes, rather than be in hospital, whilst staff can pick up the infection or pass it on to others.

Published death rates have excluded those from care homes at daily briefings but hundreds have died, many more infected.

It's obvious that we need a drastic change to our social care system, with greater state investment and involvement. We can change some things now. A lot of people get very rich running care homes, go down any sea front and see how much money worth of property are in the care sector. Why have we let this go on for so long,time to bring it into public sector and save some money plus lives. "

Because they have already been sold off?

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"There's global competition for supplies and the government remains responsible for the health of the nation. It would be irresponsible, at best, to knowingly let residents remain in homes, rather than be in hospital, whilst staff can pick up the infection or pass it on to others.

Published death rates have excluded those from care homes at daily briefings but hundreds have died, many more infected.

It's obvious that we need a drastic change to our social care system, with greater state investment and involvement. We can change some things now. "

If other european countries are anything to go by, approx half of covid 19 deaths have occurred in care homes. The second last number in each column is the relevant one.

Date Source Deaths of care home residents linked to COVID-19 % of total COVID-19 deaths % of care home beds

Belgium 10/04/2020 Official data 1.405 42 0,8

France 11/04/2020 Official data 6,177 45 0,7

Nouvelle Aquitanie (FR) 11/04/2020 Official data 82 45 0,2

Ireland 11/04/2020 Official data 156 54 0,5

Italy 6/04/2020 Survey by official institute (extrapolation) 9,509 53 3,2

Spain 8/04/2020 Media 9.756 57 2,5

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's global competition for supplies and the government remains responsible for the health of the nation. It would be irresponsible, at best, to knowingly let residents remain in homes, rather than be in hospital, whilst staff can pick up the infection or pass it on to others.

Published death rates have excluded those from care homes at daily briefings but hundreds have died, many more infected.

It's obvious that we need a drastic change to our social care system, with greater state investment and involvement. We can change some things now. A lot of people get very rich running care homes, go down any sea front and see how much money worth of property are in the care sector. Why have we let this go on for so long,time to bring it into public sector and save some money plus lives.

Because they have already been sold off?"
Who sold what off?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Care house needs sorting out when thus is over its just a money making machine. They not there really for care it's there for profit. "

gonna be a lot more expensive after this. a whole load of laws will be bought in which will mean care home owners forking out.

and that will only be passed on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's global competition for supplies and the government remains responsible for the health of the nation. It would be irresponsible, at best, to knowingly let residents remain in homes, rather than be in hospital, whilst staff can pick up the infection or pass it on to others.

Published death rates have excluded those from care homes at daily briefings but hundreds have died, many more infected.

It's obvious that we need a drastic change to our social care system, with greater state investment and involvement. We can change some things now. A lot of people get very rich running care homes, go down any sea front and see how much money worth of property are in the care sector. Why have we let this go on for so long,time to bring it into public sector and save some money plus lives.

Because they have already been sold off?Who sold what off? "

Our local authority privatised all our care homes 9 years ago. However they still "own" a percentage of the beds. So what you may may think is a private home isn't as cut and dry as you may think it is, financial wise

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"There's global competition for supplies and the government remains responsible for the health of the nation. It would be irresponsible, at best, to knowingly let residents remain in homes, rather than be in hospital, whilst staff can pick up the infection or pass it on to others.

Published death rates have excluded those from care homes at daily briefings but hundreds have died, many more infected.

It's obvious that we need a drastic change to our social care system, with greater state investment and involvement. We can change some things now. A lot of people get very rich running care homes, go down any sea front and see how much money worth of property are in the care sector. Why have we let this go on for so long,time to bring it into public sector and save some money plus lives.

Because they have already been sold off?Who sold what off? "

I'm assuming care for the elderly was at one point The response of the state?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"There's global competition for supplies and the government remains responsible for the health of the nation. It would be irresponsible, at best, to knowingly let residents remain in homes, rather than be in hospital, whilst staff can pick up the infection or pass it on to others.

Published death rates have excluded those from care homes at daily briefings but hundreds have died, many more infected.

It's obvious that we need a drastic change to our social care system, with greater state investment and involvement. We can change some things now. A lot of people get very rich running care homes, go down any sea front and see how much money worth of property are in the care sector. Why have we let this go on for so long,time to bring it into public sector and save some money plus lives.

Because they have already been sold off?Who sold what off?

Our local authority privatised all our care homes 9 years ago. However they still "own" a percentage of the beds. So what you may may think is a private home isn't as cut and dry as you may think it is, financial wise "

Yeah from what ive learnt today it seems to be a mix of public and private.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's global competition for supplies and the government remains responsible for the health of the nation. It would be irresponsible, at best, to knowingly let residents remain in homes, rather than be in hospital, whilst staff can pick up the infection or pass it on to others.

Published death rates have excluded those from care homes at daily briefings but hundreds have died, many more infected.

It's obvious that we need a drastic change to our social care system, with greater state investment and involvement. We can change some things now. A lot of people get very rich running care homes, go down any sea front and see how much money worth of property are in the care sector. Why have we let this go on for so long,time to bring it into public sector and save some money plus lives.

Because they have already been sold off?Who sold what off?

I'm assuming care for the elderly was at one point The response of the state?"
No unlike schools and hospitals we never bothered with the care homes, shame we are paying for it now. Going to be hard because it's big business now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Care house needs sorting out when thus is over its just a money making machine. They not there really for care it's there for profit.

gonna be a lot more expensive after this. a whole load of laws will be bought in which will mean care home owners forking out.

and that will only be passed on"

we are already coverd by strict laws the same laws that apply to hospitals and gp surgeries .. we are all govern by the cqc ... all care home managers are registered to the cqc so if you think care homes are slack because they are private then you are very wrong a care home not following the law is quickly shut down....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Care house needs sorting out when thus is over its just a money making machine. They not there really for care it's there for profit.

gonna be a lot more expensive after this. a whole load of laws will be bought in which will mean care home owners forking out.

and that will only be passed on

we are already coverd by strict laws the same laws that apply to hospitals and gp surgeries .. we are all govern by the cqc ... all care home managers are registered to the cqc so if you think care homes are slack because they are private then you are very wrong a care home not following the law is quickly shut down...."
Yes we all know you have to work to standards, but how much of the charges for care are creamed off to pay owner's. After all they are there to make a profit.

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By *utcock61Man
over a year ago

glasgow

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent

For an update re. learning disabilities see:

Coronavirus: Government plan to support social care (16 April 2020)

In NAS website.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


" but how much of the charges for care are creamed off to pay owner's. After all they are there to make a profit. "

FYI 600 new care homes opened last year but 900 shut because of financial pressures.

As a get rich scheme it's sorely lacking.

Also remember this isn't a 9-5 job, a care home has to be staffed 24 hours a day, so their staff g costs are 3x that of a 9-5 business.

Professional fees, insurance, compliance with local authority and CQC requirements also adds to this expense.

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