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"Lift the lockdown get the economy back on track and see who makes the cut ... " You do know that nerfs are known vectors of C19 Virus!.... you probably will not make the cut. (The first bit of that is untrue...the second bit is true.) We don't know who will/won't make the cut if we follow your advice. | |||
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"Lift the lockdown get the economy back on track and see who makes the cut ... " Do you think if the lockdown was lifted tomorrow say people would flock to the pubs, book their summer holidays, visit their families, allow builders etc into their homes, take driving lessons, visit the gym...etc?!! | |||
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"Lift the lockdown get the economy back on track and see who makes the cut ... " Going first, as Guineapig, after your exposure? | |||
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"By the end oMay it will be 11 weeks ....from someone who’s been out working through all this I have the feeling that people are now becoming a bit more relaxed about . Traffic is getting heavier and more people are out and about ... The economy will never recover at this rate "The roads are a LOT busier today than they have been | |||
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"By the end oMay it will be 11 weeks ....from someone who’s been out working through all this I have the feeling that people are now becoming a bit more relaxed about . Traffic is getting heavier and more people are out and about ... The economy will never recover at this rate
The roads are a LOT busier today than they have been "It's hard to keep people locked up its human nature to mix and socialise, can't change thousands of year's over night. | |||
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"Willing to take the risk at least ... I’ve faced far deadlier odds ... if I die I die ... " Good for you, the nurses that would have to treat you might not feel the same. Still, at least you aren't selfish eh? | |||
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"Willing to take the risk at least ... I’ve faced far deadlier odds ... if I die I die ... " I don't understand how anyone can come out with such an insensitive comment  | |||
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"By the end oMay it will be 11 weeks ....from someone who’s been out working through all this I have the feeling that people are now becoming a bit more relaxed about . Traffic is getting heavier and more people are out and about ... The economy will never recover at this rate
The roads are a LOT busier today than they have been It's hard to keep people locked up its human nature to mix and socialise, can't change thousands of year's over night. "We have to abide by the guidelines regardless of how hard that is for us all. So lockdown for another 3 weeks at least. | |||
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"Willing to take the risk at least ... I’ve faced far deadlier odds ... if I die I die ... " And that's your choice, as long as you don't pass on the virus to anyone else , should you catch it. | |||
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"Willing to take the risk at least ... I’ve faced far deadlier odds ... if I die I die ... " I don't think there is anything stopping you rolling them dice now. | |||
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"Lift the lockdown get the economy back on track and see who makes the cut ... " Wow 
You going to put yourself on the line first yes?? | |||
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"Lift the lockdown get the economy back on track and see who makes the cut ... Wow
You going to put yourself on the line first yes?? "There are millions of us on the front line now. Apart from those in the vulnerable group we all need to face it, far more will die from economic armageddon than the virus. | |||
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"The virus is not about you.i am sure you wi be fine. Many will just get the snifffles But its about the vulnarable, you could carry it and spread it to god knows how many. " This!! Wish more people understood this!! | |||
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"Willing to take the risk at least ... I’ve faced far deadlier odds ... if I die I die ... " If you promise not to call on the resources of the NHS I say go for it. | |||
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"The lockdown will start to be lifted in late May, but I think it’s goi g to take 6-12 months for it to be fully lifted"  | |||
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"The virus is not about you.i am sure you wi be fine. Many will just get the snifffles But its about the vulnarable, you could carry it and spread it to god knows how many. This!! Wish more people understood this!!" That's why the vulnerable need to keep safe, the rest of us need to catch it to protect the vulnerable in the long term. By the nature of their vulnerability they will need to see doctors, go to hospitals etc etc that puts them at risk, if the majority of us have it by late autumn those needing health care will be at less risk then if we have a test to show who has had it and cant spread it | |||
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"Why are we all guessing. All these posts on sites like this and other sites are not helpful to those with anxiety issues. We dont know. We have already been told that after the end of may even big companies are going to struggle... so I would imagine they are not going to let the whole country go under. We are trying to delay not stop the virus " If someone has anxiety issues which are being compounded by discussing the topic of the virus, there's kind of an onus on them to stop wandering around the "virus" section of a forum. And we're speculating because it's in our nature to. | |||
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"Willing to take the risk at least ... I’ve faced far deadlier odds ... if I die I die ... " I really doubt you would have that attitude if it came to you | |||
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"3 weeks seems reasonable to me. Can anyone argue to the contrary? " I think arguing is a bit wrong. I mean alternate view? | |||
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"Why are we all guessing. All these posts on sites like this and other sites are not helpful to those with anxiety issues. We dont know. We have already been told that after the end of may even big companies are going to struggle... so I would imagine they are not going to let the whole country go under. We are trying to delay not stop the virus If someone has anxiety issues which are being compounded by discussing the topic of the virus, there's kind of an onus on them to stop wandering around the "virus" section of a forum. And we're speculating because it's in our nature to. " Exactly! If I struggled with anxiety I'd play sudoku or do jigsaw puzzles rather than listen to us and our twaddle  | |||
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"The virus is not about you.i am sure you wi be fine. Many will just get the snifffles But its about the vulnarable, you could carry it and spread it to god knows how many. This!! Wish more people understood this!! That's why the vulnerable need to keep safe, the rest of us need to catch it to protect the vulnerable in the long term. By the nature of their vulnerability they will need to see doctors, go to hospitals etc etc that puts them at risk, if the majority of us have it by late autumn those needing health care will be at less risk then if we have a test to show who has had it and cant spread it" No disrespect sir, but have you seen how many 50-60 year old men in particular who have died and/or required ICU?! I think we can include ourselves very much as 'raised' risk unfortunately | |||
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"The virus is not about you.i am sure you wi be fine. Many will just get the snifffles But its about the vulnarable, you could carry it and spread it to god knows how many. This!! Wish more people understood this!! That's why the vulnerable need to keep safe, the rest of us need to catch it to protect the vulnerable in the long term. By the nature of their vulnerability they will need to see doctors, go to hospitals etc etc that puts them at risk, if the majority of us have it by late autumn those needing health care will be at less risk then if we have a test to show who has had it and cant spread it No disrespect sir, but have you seen how many 50-60 year old men in particular who have died and/or required ICU?! I think we can include ourselves very much as 'raised' risk unfortunately" I work in an industry that has a bad record for deaths and suicide but Im fit and not bothered, we have without doubt come into contact with it so may have already had it, certainly had some symptoms. We all need to catch it or hide away until the vaccine, we are statistically just as likely to die next year from other causes as we are from this, I have no intention of hiding away, | |||
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"I cant see it ending in may. not fully. once places like mcdonalds are allowed to reopen every idiot will be queuing up and infecting loads more. you can see now people don't care by the way they are all out in parks and having parties. you'll see a drop in numbers then a sudden hotspot of infections and death. some people just do not care" Oi i like macdonalds lol | |||
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"Why don't we just wait for the experts to decide instead of random people telling us what's going to happen? Nobody knows yet,including the experts. " Who are these experts you speak of? The twats at the WHO who told us it didn't spread human to human when it had already spread outside China? That dim wit at Imperial whose model we are basing predictions off of despite his appalling track record of rubbish predictions and his model being full of basic flaws? Or perhaps it's Mr Herd Immunity himself, Chris Whitty himself who never thought testing people was all that important. There are no fucking experts in multi-disciplinary problems like this. It's actually a problem a generalist would be better placed to solve. | |||
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"If the economy collapses deaths will soar at a far greater rate!! Without an economy how do you suppose we trade? Pay staff? Keep the NHS going?" Has the economy crashed anywhere else? | |||
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"Willing to take the risk at least ... I’ve faced far deadlier odds ... if I die I die ... " I'm sure you will be as positive as your gasping for air and drowning in fluid | |||
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"Why don't we just wait for the experts to decide instead of random people telling us what's going to happen? Nobody knows yet,including the experts. Who are these experts you speak of? The twats at the WHO who told us it didn't spread human to human when it had already spread outside China? That dim wit at Imperial whose model we are basing predictions off of despite his appalling track record of rubbish predictions and his model being full of basic flaws? Or perhaps it's Mr Herd Immunity himself, Chris Whitty himself who never thought testing people was all that important. There are no fucking experts in multi-disciplinary problems like this. It's actually a problem a generalist would be better placed to solve. " Really? | |||
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"The virus is not about you.i am sure you wi be fine. Many will just get the snifffles But its about the vulnarable, you could carry it and spread it to god knows how many. " 1 in 10 patients in hospital have no underlying health issues... | |||
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"The virus is not about you.i am sure you wi be fine. Many will just get the snifffles But its about the vulnarable, you could carry it and spread it to god knows how many. 1 in 10 patients in hospital have no underlying health issues..." So 9 in 10 do | |||
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"Why don't we just wait for the experts to decide instead of random people telling us what's going to happen? Nobody knows yet,including the experts. Who are these experts you speak of? The twats at the WHO who told us it didn't spread human to human when it had already spread outside China? That dim wit at Imperial whose model we are basing predictions off of despite his appalling track record of rubbish predictions and his model being full of basic flaws? Or perhaps it's Mr Herd Immunity himself, Chris Whitty himself who never thought testing people was all that important. There are no fucking experts in multi-disciplinary problems like this. It's actually a problem a generalist would be better placed to solve. Really? "If you're in any way satisfied with the performance of the 'experts' or leaders then I think you must be suffering from some version of Stockholm syndrome | |||
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"If the economy collapses deaths will soar at a far greater rate!! Without an economy how do you suppose we trade? Pay staff? Keep the NHS going? Has the economy crashed anywhere else?" The chancellor has been warned we are on course for the biggest economy crash in 300 years. If things don't change soon. Whilst none have crashed yet it's only a matter of time. | |||
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"If the economy collapses deaths will soar at a far greater rate!! Without an economy how do you suppose we trade? Pay staff? Keep the NHS going? Has the economy crashed anywhere else? The chancellor has been warned we are on course for the biggest economy crash in 300 years. If things don't change soon. Whilst none have crashed yet it's only a matter of time. " What happened 300 years ago? | |||
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"Why don't we just wait for the experts to decide instead of random people telling us what's going to happen? Nobody knows yet,including the experts. Who are these experts you speak of? The twats at the WHO who told us it didn't spread human to human when it had already spread outside China? That dim wit at Imperial whose model we are basing predictions off of despite his appalling track record of rubbish predictions and his model being full of basic flaws? Or perhaps it's Mr Herd Immunity himself, Chris Whitty himself who never thought testing people was all that important. There are no fucking experts in multi-disciplinary problems like this. It's actually a problem a generalist would be better placed to solve. Really?
If you're in any way satisfied with the performance of the 'experts' or leaders then I think you must be suffering from some version of Stockholm syndrome "Oh and where are the 3.5 million anti bodies tests they bought on expert advice? Biggest mistake we made was not shutting the borders to china during the peak of their outbreak. Because WHO told us not to.... as they 'didnt think' human to human transmission was possible. Which was bogus. | |||
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"If the economy collapses deaths will soar at a far greater rate!! Without an economy how do you suppose we trade? Pay staff? Keep the NHS going? Has the economy crashed anywhere else? The chancellor has been warned we are on course for the biggest economy crash in 300 years. If things don't change soon. Whilst none have crashed yet it's only a matter of time. What happened 300 years ago?" Sorry correction I thought I'd read 300 years somewhere but it was 100 years. Which I'm assuming was post ww1 and the spanish flu pandemic. Before that was 1812 which was post the napoleonic wars | |||
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"Why don't we just wait for the experts to decide instead of random people telling us what's going to happen? Nobody knows yet,including the experts. Who are these experts you speak of? The twats at the WHO who told us it didn't spread human to human when it had already spread outside China? That dim wit at Imperial whose model we are basing predictions off of despite his appalling track record of rubbish predictions and his model being full of basic flaws? Or perhaps it's Mr Herd Immunity himself, Chris Whitty himself who never thought testing people was all that important. There are no fucking experts in multi-disciplinary problems like this. It's actually a problem a generalist would be better placed to solve. Really?
If you're in any way satisfied with the performance of the 'experts' or leaders then I think you must be suffering from some version of Stockholm syndrome
Oh and where are the 3.5 million anti bodies tests they bought on expert advice?
Biggest mistake we made was not shutting the borders to china during the peak of their outbreak. Because WHO told us not to.... as they 'didnt think' human to human transmission was possible. Which was bogus. "Given the incubation period, it's almost certain that the virus had already left china when the WHO were saying it wasn't human to human! Fuck knows what our government actually did in the ~8 weeks between then and march. In terms of the countries doing well, they all seem to be Asian ones that learn from SARS that you stockpile the materials to make tests asap, not wait for a crisis when everyone is trying to get their hands on them - South Korea, vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore... | |||
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"Why don't we just wait for the experts to decide instead of random people telling us what's going to happen? Nobody knows yet,including the experts. Who are these experts you speak of? The twats at the WHO who told us it didn't spread human to human when it had already spread outside China? That dim wit at Imperial whose model we are basing predictions off of despite his appalling track record of rubbish predictions and his model being full of basic flaws? Or perhaps it's Mr Herd Immunity himself, Chris Whitty himself who never thought testing people was all that important. There are no fucking experts in multi-disciplinary problems like this. It's actually a problem a generalist would be better placed to solve. Really?
If you're in any way satisfied with the performance of the 'experts' or leaders then I think you must be suffering from some version of Stockholm syndrome
Oh and where are the 3.5 million anti bodies tests they bought on expert advice?
Biggest mistake we made was not shutting the borders to china during the peak of their outbreak. Because WHO told us not to.... as they 'didnt think' human to human transmission was possible. Which was bogus. "To be fair, Italy closed its borders to China. It didn't really help. The virus was carried by a German travelling from Munich. The WHO wasn't probably super quick in telling the world about human-to-human contagion but when thay did nothing really changed. Some governs are try to use WHO as scapegoat for their own failures. All countries in Europe and America had all the information they needed to prepare, they just ignored it. | |||
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"Why don't we just wait for the experts to decide instead of random people telling us what's going to happen? Nobody knows yet,including the experts. Who are these experts you speak of? The twats at the WHO who told us it didn't spread human to human when it had already spread outside China? That dim wit at Imperial whose model we are basing predictions off of despite his appalling track record of rubbish predictions and his model being full of basic flaws? Or perhaps it's Mr Herd Immunity himself, Chris Whitty himself who never thought testing people was all that important. There are no fucking experts in multi-disciplinary problems like this. It's actually a problem a generalist would be better placed to solve. Really?
If you're in any way satisfied with the performance of the 'experts' or leaders then I think you must be suffering from some version of Stockholm syndrome "Please don't try to tell me what I am or am not suffering from. You have no clue. Are you not satisfied with anything the government have done? | |||
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"Why don't we just wait for the experts to decide instead of random people telling us what's going to happen? Nobody knows yet,including the experts. Who are these experts you speak of? The twats at the WHO who told us it didn't spread human to human when it had already spread outside China? That dim wit at Imperial whose model we are basing predictions off of despite his appalling track record of rubbish predictions and his model being full of basic flaws? Or perhaps it's Mr Herd Immunity himself, Chris Whitty himself who never thought testing people was all that important. There are no fucking experts in multi-disciplinary problems like this. It's actually a problem a generalist would be better placed to solve. Really?
If you're in any way satisfied with the performance of the 'experts' or leaders then I think you must be suffering from some version of Stockholm syndrome
Please don't try to tell me what I am or am not suffering from. You have no clue.
Are you not satisfied with anything the government have done? "What on earth have they done that I should be grateful for? We're the 5th worst hit country, am I supposed to look at that like "hey at least we're not Italy?". | |||
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"Why don't we just wait for the experts to decide instead of random people telling us what's going to happen? Nobody knows yet,including the experts. Who are these experts you speak of? The twats at the WHO who told us it didn't spread human to human when it had already spread outside China? That dim wit at Imperial whose model we are basing predictions off of despite his appalling track record of rubbish predictions and his model being full of basic flaws? Or perhaps it's Mr Herd Immunity himself, Chris Whitty himself who never thought testing people was all that important. There are no fucking experts in multi-disciplinary problems like this. It's actually a problem a generalist would be better placed to solve. Really?
If you're in any way satisfied with the performance of the 'experts' or leaders then I think you must be suffering from some version of Stockholm syndrome
Oh and where are the 3.5 million anti bodies tests they bought on expert advice?
Biggest mistake we made was not shutting the borders to china during the peak of their outbreak. Because WHO told us not to.... as they 'didnt think' human to human transmission was possible. Which was bogus.
To be fair, Italy closed its borders to China. It didn't really help. The virus was carried by a German travelling from Munich. The WHO wasn't probably super quick in telling the world about human-to-human contagion but when thay did nothing really changed. Some governs are try to use WHO as scapegoat for their own failures. All countries in Europe and America had all the information they needed to prepare, they just ignored it."Within a week of them saying there was no evidence of human to human transmission, all the worst hit countries had their first confirmed cases. Given the incubation period then it means some of those countries probably had cases when the damn statement was made. I'm not saying it's entirely their fault or that national governments did a good job, but the WHO has been like a condom with a hole cut at the tip - worse than useless and a false sense of security. | |||
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"Why don't we just wait for the experts to decide instead of random people telling us what's going to happen? Nobody knows yet,including the experts. Who are these experts you speak of? The twats at the WHO who told us it didn't spread human to human when it had already spread outside China? That dim wit at Imperial whose model we are basing predictions off of despite his appalling track record of rubbish predictions and his model being full of basic flaws? Or perhaps it's Mr Herd Immunity himself, Chris Whitty himself who never thought testing people was all that important. There are no fucking experts in multi-disciplinary problems like this. It's actually a problem a generalist would be better placed to solve. Really?
If you're in any way satisfied with the performance of the 'experts' or leaders then I think you must be suffering from some version of Stockholm syndrome
Oh and where are the 3.5 million anti bodies tests they bought on expert advice?
Biggest mistake we made was not shutting the borders to china during the peak of their outbreak. Because WHO told us not to.... as they 'didnt think' human to human transmission was possible. Which was bogus.
To be fair, Italy closed its borders to China. It didn't really help. The virus was carried by a German travelling from Munich. The WHO wasn't probably super quick in telling the world about human-to-human contagion but when thay did nothing really changed. Some governs are try to use WHO as scapegoat for their own failures. All countries in Europe and America had all the information they needed to prepare, they just ignored it.
Within a week of them saying there was no evidence of human to human transmission, all the worst hit countries had their first confirmed cases. Given the incubation period then it means some of those countries probably had cases when the damn statement was made. I'm not saying it's entirely their fault or that national governments did a good job, but the WHO has been like a condom with a hole cut at the tip - worse than useless and a false sense of security. "Well I couldn't imagine them saying anything apart from "there is no evidence of human to human transmission" if they had no evidence. Actually China hid the information just for a week, before the end of January everyone knew "the truth". But this didn't produce any policy change. Even without that unfortunate tweet by WHO things wouldn't be different. | |||
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"Why don't we just wait for the experts to decide instead of random people telling us what's going to happen? Nobody knows yet,including the experts. Who are these experts you speak of? The twats at the WHO who told us it didn't spread human to human when it had already spread outside China? That dim wit at Imperial whose model we are basing predictions off of despite his appalling track record of rubbish predictions and his model being full of basic flaws? Or perhaps it's Mr Herd Immunity himself, Chris Whitty himself who never thought testing people was all that important. There are no fucking experts in multi-disciplinary problems like this. It's actually a problem a generalist would be better placed to solve. Really?
If you're in any way satisfied with the performance of the 'experts' or leaders then I think you must be suffering from some version of Stockholm syndrome
Oh and where are the 3.5 million anti bodies tests they bought on expert advice?
Biggest mistake we made was not shutting the borders to china during the peak of their outbreak. Because WHO told us not to.... as they 'didnt think' human to human transmission was possible. Which was bogus.
To be fair, Italy closed its borders to China. It didn't really help. The virus was carried by a German travelling from Munich. The WHO wasn't probably super quick in telling the world about human-to-human contagion but when thay did nothing really changed. Some governs are try to use WHO as scapegoat for their own failures. All countries in Europe and America had all the information they needed to prepare, they just ignored it.
Within a week of them saying there was no evidence of human to human transmission, all the worst hit countries had their first confirmed cases. Given the incubation period then it means some of those countries probably had cases when the damn statement was made. I'm not saying it's entirely their fault or that national governments did a good job, but the WHO has been like a condom with a hole cut at the tip - worse than useless and a false sense of security.
Well I couldn't imagine them saying anything apart from "there is no evidence of human to human transmission" if they had no evidence. Actually China hid the information just for a week, before the end of January everyone knew "the truth".
But this didn't produce any policy change.
Even without that unfortunate tweet by WHO things wouldn't be different."But there was evidence, China has records going back to November 17th 2019 for cases. The WHO gets hundreds of millions of dollars to find the evidence, not to sit there complaining it didn't fall into their lap. There were whistleblowers in China, people who knew what was happening. Ask the right questions and you get the right answers. That tweet plus their advice not to shut borders made it much harder for democratically elected politicians to go against their advice. | |||
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"Some points I'd like to make. The UK is still NOT widespread testing. Nor are they delaying discharge from hospital until a patient tests negative. The UK has not actually shut its borders. Never did. The UK is NOT providing front line staff with suitable PPE everywhere as of yet. Our government has tried to put the PPE shortage at the blame of those working desperately to save people. Saying they are over using it!! The UK waited too long to close borders and make decisions about what to do!! People cannot be tested unless they are almost dying from the virus currently. Care homes are not getting full support. In spain and italy some worrying things happened when it hit care homes. Yes they are locking people down, offering support with pay, trying to protect the vulnerable, issuing advice for those who are very high risk. So some positives but is it enough?? At this point I dont think it is. But most things now are too little too late. " I can't figure out the people who are satisfied with what the government has done. They must be either: A) unemployed people who have no idea how organisations are supposed to function or how bad the economy is B) people who have jobs but work for shitty organisations that are in chronic chaos themselves so this seems normal C) suffering from Stockholm syndrome For the life of me, I can't imagine how anyone who works at a moderately successful, large organisation could possibly think the performance has been acceptable. | |||
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"Some points I'd like to make. The UK is still NOT widespread testing. Nor are they delaying discharge from hospital until a patient tests negative. The UK has not actually shut its borders. Never did. The UK is NOT providing front line staff with suitable PPE everywhere as of yet. Our government has tried to put the PPE shortage at the blame of those working desperately to save people. Saying they are over using it!! The UK waited too long to close borders and make decisions about what to do!! People cannot be tested unless they are almost dying from the virus currently. Care homes are not getting full support. In spain and italy some worrying things happened when it hit care homes. Yes they are locking people down, offering support with pay, trying to protect the vulnerable, issuing advice for those who are very high risk. So some positives but is it enough?? At this point I dont think it is. But most things now are too little too late. I can't figure out the people who are satisfied with what the government has done. They must be either: A) unemployed people who have no idea how organisations are supposed to function or how bad the economy is B) people who have jobs but work for shitty organisations that are in chronic chaos themselves so this seems normal C) suffering from Stockholm syndrome For the life of me, I can't imagine how anyone who works at a moderately successful, large organisation could possibly think the performance has been acceptable. " Why do you feel the need to try to insult people that don't agree with you? It's pretty childish to be honest. Do you actually know what Stockholm syndrome is? | |||
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"Read the Patty Hearst story. It's fascinating. How a hostage bonds with captors is a subject that fascinates me. Some soldiers are taught techniques how to exploit this and how to bond with captors and how to humanise themselves in order to try and be treated better and possibly escape." Yep, feck all to do with the current situation. | |||
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"Why are we all guessing. All these posts on sites like this and other sites are not helpful to those with anxiety issues. We dont know. We have already been told that after the end of may even big companies are going to struggle... so I would imagine they are not going to let the whole country go under. We are trying to delay not stop the virus If someone has anxiety issues which are being compounded by discussing the topic of the virus, there's kind of an onus on them to stop wandering around the "virus" section of a forum. And we're speculating because it's in our nature to. " and everywhere else.. as it's all that's being discussed. What I'm saying is all the false news and speculation isnt helping. For me it is what it is. I'm keeping busy helping out ( not because I am some sort of saint but because it means I a) get social interaction and see people b) I get to drive my car which cheers me up.. so not really selfless actions x) | |||
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"Some points I'd like to make. The UK is still NOT widespread testing. Nor are they delaying discharge from hospital until a patient tests negative. The UK has not actually shut its borders. Never did. The UK is NOT providing front line staff with suitable PPE everywhere as of yet. Our government has tried to put the PPE shortage at the blame of those working desperately to save people. Saying they are over using it!! The UK waited too long to close borders and make decisions about what to do!! People cannot be tested unless they are almost dying from the virus currently. Care homes are not getting full support. In spain and italy some worrying things happened when it hit care homes. Yes they are locking people down, offering support with pay, trying to protect the vulnerable, issuing advice for those who are very high risk. So some positives but is it enough?? At this point I dont think it is. But most things now are too little too late. I can't figure out the people who are satisfied with what the government has done. They must be either: A) unemployed people who have no idea how organisations are supposed to function or how bad the economy is B) people who have jobs but work for shitty organisations that are in chronic chaos themselves so this seems normal C) suffering from Stockholm syndrome For the life of me, I can't imagine how anyone who works at a moderately successful, large organisation could possibly think the performance has been acceptable. Why do you feel the need to try to insult people that don't agree with you? It's pretty childish to be honest. Do you actually know what Stockholm syndrome is? " 2/3 of those aren't insults. I'm genuinely fascinated how anyone could think our government has done a good job. It's not a political thing, I certainly don't think we'd be in a better position with Jeremy Corbyn as PM. It's much worse than just a lousy PM, those 2 advisors next him are beyond incompetent. I'm just shocked how anyone things the situation could be much worse. By all means just tell me the answer instead of getting in a huff about it. I'd love some good news. | |||
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"Some points I'd like to make. The UK is still NOT widespread testing. Nor are they delaying discharge from hospital until a patient tests negative. The UK has not actually shut its borders. Never did. The UK is NOT providing front line staff with suitable PPE everywhere as of yet. Our government has tried to put the PPE shortage at the blame of those working desperately to save people. Saying they are over using it!! The UK waited too long to close borders and make decisions about what to do!! People cannot be tested unless they are almost dying from the virus currently. Care homes are not getting full support. In spain and italy some worrying things happened when it hit care homes. Yes they are locking people down, offering support with pay, trying to protect the vulnerable, issuing advice for those who are very high risk. So some positives but is it enough?? At this point I dont think it is. But most things now are too little too late. I can't figure out the people who are satisfied with what the government has done. They must be either: A) unemployed people who have no idea how organisations are supposed to function or how bad the economy is B) people who have jobs but work for shitty organisations that are in chronic chaos themselves so this seems normal C) suffering from Stockholm syndrome For the life of me, I can't imagine how anyone who works at a moderately successful, large organisation could possibly think the performance has been acceptable. Why do you feel the need to try to insult people that don't agree with you? It's pretty childish to be honest. Do you actually know what Stockholm syndrome is? 2/3 of those aren't insults. I'm genuinely fascinated how anyone could think our government has done a good job. It's not a political thing, I certainly don't think we'd be in a better position with Jeremy Corbyn as PM. It's much worse than just a lousy PM, those 2 advisors next him are beyond incompetent. I'm just shocked how anyone things the situation could be much worse. By all means just tell me the answer instead of getting in a huff about it. I'd love some good news. " Do you seriously think the situation couldn't be worse? I'm not in a huff, I just don't like it when people try to put others down to prove their point, it's unnecessary. | |||
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"Some points I'd like to make. The UK is still NOT widespread testing. Nor are they delaying discharge from hospital until a patient tests negative. The UK has not actually shut its borders. Never did. The UK is NOT providing front line staff with suitable PPE everywhere as of yet. Our government has tried to put the PPE shortage at the blame of those working desperately to save people. Saying they are over using it!! The UK waited too long to close borders and make decisions about what to do!! People cannot be tested unless they are almost dying from the virus currently. Care homes are not getting full support. In spain and italy some worrying things happened when it hit care homes. Yes they are locking people down, offering support with pay, trying to protect the vulnerable, issuing advice for those who are very high risk. So some positives but is it enough?? At this point I dont think it is. But most things now are too little too late. I can't figure out the people who are satisfied with what the government has done. They must be either: A) unemployed people who have no idea how organisations are supposed to function or how bad the economy is B) people who have jobs but work for shitty organisations that are in chronic chaos themselves so this seems normal C) suffering from Stockholm syndrome For the life of me, I can't imagine how anyone who works at a moderately successful, large organisation could possibly think the performance has been acceptable. Why do you feel the need to try to insult people that don't agree with you? It's pretty childish to be honest. Do you actually know what Stockholm syndrome is? 2/3 of those aren't insults. I'm genuinely fascinated how anyone could think our government has done a good job. It's not a political thing, I certainly don't think we'd be in a better position with Jeremy Corbyn as PM. It's much worse than just a lousy PM, those 2 advisors next him are beyond incompetent. I'm just shocked how anyone things the situation could be much worse. By all means just tell me the answer instead of getting in a huff about it. I'd love some good news. Do you seriously think the situation couldn't be worse? I'm not in a huff, I just don't like it when people try to put others down to prove their point, it's unnecessary. " The economy is entirely fucked. Millions of people have lost everything because the government help is shite unless you're an employee. Our government, which already had record peace time debt, is keeping people from starving by adding more debt. We have the fifth highest deaths, the situation was entirely unmitigated, there are countries not much smaller than ours who have barely had a scratch on them because they weren't so flipping ignorant about the importance of testing, which we've still done very little of. Unless you expect me to be grateful that we're not Italy or Spain then I really don't understand your position. | |||
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"Some points I'd like to make. The UK is still NOT widespread testing. Nor are they delaying discharge from hospital until a patient tests negative. The UK has not actually shut its borders. Never did. The UK is NOT providing front line staff with suitable PPE everywhere as of yet. Our government has tried to put the PPE shortage at the blame of those working desperately to save people. Saying they are over using it!! The UK waited too long to close borders and make decisions about what to do!! People cannot be tested unless they are almost dying from the virus currently. Care homes are not getting full support. In spain and italy some worrying things happened when it hit care homes. Yes they are locking people down, offering support with pay, trying to protect the vulnerable, issuing advice for those who are very high risk. So some positives but is it enough?? At this point I dont think it is. But most things now are too little too late. I can't figure out the people who are satisfied with what the government has done. They must be either: A) unemployed people who have no idea how organisations are supposed to function or how bad the economy is B) people who have jobs but work for shitty organisations that are in chronic chaos themselves so this seems normal C) suffering from Stockholm syndrome For the life of me, I can't imagine how anyone who works at a moderately successful, large organisation could possibly think the performance has been acceptable. Why do you feel the need to try to insult people that don't agree with you? It's pretty childish to be honest. Do you actually know what Stockholm syndrome is? 2/3 of those aren't insults. I'm genuinely fascinated how anyone could think our government has done a good job. It's not a political thing, I certainly don't think we'd be in a better position with Jeremy Corbyn as PM. It's much worse than just a lousy PM, those 2 advisors next him are beyond incompetent. I'm just shocked how anyone things the situation could be much worse. By all means just tell me the answer instead of getting in a huff about it. I'd love some good news. Do you seriously think the situation couldn't be worse? I'm not in a huff, I just don't like it when people try to put others down to prove their point, it's unnecessary. The economy is entirely fucked. Millions of people have lost everything because the government help is shite unless you're an employee. Our government, which already had record peace time debt, is keeping people from starving by adding more debt. We have the fifth highest deaths, the situation was entirely unmitigated, there are countries not much smaller than ours who have barely had a scratch on them because they weren't so flipping ignorant about the importance of testing, which we've still done very little of. Unless you expect me to be grateful that we're not Italy or Spain then I really don't understand your position. " Wow, so do you think the government should let people starve to save adding more debt? Have you benefit from the government's assistance? Millions of people haven't lost everything at all, I've seen some hateful and negative people on these forums since this began but you have really outdone them. | |||
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"Some points I'd like to make. The UK is still NOT widespread testing. Nor are they delaying discharge from hospital until a patient tests negative. The UK has not actually shut its borders. Never did. The UK is NOT providing front line staff with suitable PPE everywhere as of yet. Our government has tried to put the PPE shortage at the blame of those working desperately to save people. Saying they are over using it!! The UK waited too long to close borders and make decisions about what to do!! People cannot be tested unless they are almost dying from the virus currently. Care homes are not getting full support. In spain and italy some worrying things happened when it hit care homes. Yes they are locking people down, offering support with pay, trying to protect the vulnerable, issuing advice for those who are very high risk. So some positives but is it enough?? At this point I dont think it is. But most things now are too little too late. I can't figure out the people who are satisfied with what the government has done. They must be either: A) unemployed people who have no idea how organisations are supposed to function or how bad the economy is B) people who have jobs but work for shitty organisations that are in chronic chaos themselves so this seems normal C) suffering from Stockholm syndrome For the life of me, I can't imagine how anyone who works at a moderately successful, large organisation could possibly think the performance has been acceptable. Why do you feel the need to try to insult people that don't agree with you? It's pretty childish to be honest. Do you actually know what Stockholm syndrome is? 2/3 of those aren't insults. I'm genuinely fascinated how anyone could think our government has done a good job. It's not a political thing, I certainly don't think we'd be in a better position with Jeremy Corbyn as PM. It's much worse than just a lousy PM, those 2 advisors next him are beyond incompetent. I'm just shocked how anyone things the situation could be much worse. By all means just tell me the answer instead of getting in a huff about it. I'd love some good news. Do you seriously think the situation couldn't be worse? I'm not in a huff, I just don't like it when people try to put others down to prove their point, it's unnecessary. The economy is entirely fucked. Millions of people have lost everything because the government help is shite unless you're an employee. Our government, which already had record peace time debt, is keeping people from starving by adding more debt. We have the fifth highest deaths, the situation was entirely unmitigated, there are countries not much smaller than ours who have barely had a scratch on them because they weren't so flipping ignorant about the importance of testing, which we've still done very little of. Unless you expect me to be grateful that we're not Italy or Spain then I really don't understand your position. Wow, so do you think the government should let people starve to save adding more debt? Have you benefit from the government's assistance? Millions of people haven't lost everything at all, I've seen some hateful and negative people on these forums since this began but you have really outdone them. " With such an intellectual dishonest interpretation of what I said, i'm no longer interested in your opinion so we'll end it there. You don't answer questions and you can seem to understand what I'm saying | |||
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"Some points I'd like to make. The UK is still NOT widespread testing. Nor are they delaying discharge from hospital until a patient tests negative. The UK has not actually shut its borders. Never did. The UK is NOT providing front line staff with suitable PPE everywhere as of yet. Our government has tried to put the PPE shortage at the blame of those working desperately to save people. Saying they are over using it!! The UK waited too long to close borders and make decisions about what to do!! People cannot be tested unless they are almost dying from the virus currently. Care homes are not getting full support. In spain and italy some worrying things happened when it hit care homes. Yes they are locking people down, offering support with pay, trying to protect the vulnerable, issuing advice for those who are very high risk. So some positives but is it enough?? At this point I dont think it is. But most things now are too little too late. I can't figure out the people who are satisfied with what the government has done. They must be either: A) unemployed people who have no idea how organisations are supposed to function or how bad the economy is B) people who have jobs but work for shitty organisations that are in chronic chaos themselves so this seems normal C) suffering from Stockholm syndrome For the life of me, I can't imagine how anyone who works at a moderately successful, large organisation could possibly think the performance has been acceptable. Why do you feel the need to try to insult people that don't agree with you? It's pretty childish to be honest. Do you actually know what Stockholm syndrome is? 2/3 of those aren't insults. I'm genuinely fascinated how anyone could think our government has done a good job. It's not a political thing, I certainly don't think we'd be in a better position with Jeremy Corbyn as PM. It's much worse than just a lousy PM, those 2 advisors next him are beyond incompetent. I'm just shocked how anyone things the situation could be much worse. By all means just tell me the answer instead of getting in a huff about it. I'd love some good news. Do you seriously think the situation couldn't be worse? I'm not in a huff, I just don't like it when people try to put others down to prove their point, it's unnecessary. The economy is entirely fucked. Millions of people have lost everything because the government help is shite unless you're an employee. Our government, which already had record peace time debt, is keeping people from starving by adding more debt. We have the fifth highest deaths, the situation was entirely unmitigated, there are countries not much smaller than ours who have barely had a scratch on them because they weren't so flipping ignorant about the importance of testing, which we've still done very little of. Unless you expect me to be grateful that we're not Italy or Spain then I really don't understand your position. Wow, so do you think the government should let people starve to save adding more debt? Have you benefit from the government's assistance? Millions of people haven't lost everything at all, I've seen some hateful and negative people on these forums since this began but you have really outdone them. With such an intellectual dishonest interpretation of what I said, i'm no longer interested in your opinion so we'll end it there. You don't answer questions and you can seem to understand what I'm saying "You didn't ask me anything and you haven't answered any of the questions I asked you
I didnt interpret anything dishonestly, I asked you a question about your statement.
Do you think that the government should let people starve rather than adding to the debt?
Have you benefit from the government assistance?
Why do you think telling people they must have an awful psychological disorder is a valid way of discussing differing views?
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"We need to increase our testing rates, similarly to other countries including Germany. If we also trace all contacts of those infected, we can reduce the number of infected people, when those who are positive results go in to isolation. If every one catching this infects less than 1 person, the virus will die out. The government needs to reopen its contact tracing teams and recruit more, if needed. " If you think this virus will die out you are very much misinformed, as much as I wish it would, can you name ONE virus that has died out when vaccination hasn't been introduced. I'm on a skiing forum that has lots of French members they said earlier today that the French are stopping plans for mass testing as the advice is it doesn't stop the spread. This virus will infect almost everyone at some point unless A they have no contact with anyone until an effective vaccine is available or B herd immunity means the risk is lower, | |||
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"We need to increase our testing rates, similarly to other countries including Germany. If we also trace all contacts of those infected, we can reduce the number of infected people, when those who are positive results go in to isolation. If every one catching this infects less than 1 person, the virus will die out. The government needs to reopen its contact tracing teams and recruit more, if needed. If you think this virus will die out you are very much misinformed, as much as I wish it would, can you name ONE virus that has died out when vaccination hasn't been introduced. I'm on a skiing forum that has lots of French members they said earlier today that the French are stopping plans for mass testing as the advice is it doesn't stop the spread. This virus will infect almost everyone at some point unless A they have no contact with anyone until an effective vaccine is available or B herd immunity means the risk is lower," I can name one: SARs | |||
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"We need to increase our testing rates, similarly to other countries including Germany. If we also trace all contacts of those infected, we can reduce the number of infected people, when those who are positive results go in to isolation. If every one catching this infects less than 1 person, the virus will die out. The government needs to reopen its contact tracing teams and recruit more, if needed. If you think this virus will die out you are very much misinformed, as much as I wish it would, can you name ONE virus that has died out when vaccination hasn't been introduced. I'm on a skiing forum that has lots of French members they said earlier today that the French are stopping plans for mass testing as the advice is it doesn't stop the spread. This virus will infect almost everyone at some point unless A they have no contact with anyone until an effective vaccine is available or B herd immunity means the risk is lower, I can name one: SARs" There have been no cases in the last few years but the who still spend lots of time keeping an eye out for it, sars although far more deadly than corvid19 is not in the same league, it is far harder to catch it and symptoms tend to appear quicker, there less than 9000 cases, | |||
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"We need to increase our testing rates, similarly to other countries including Germany. If we also trace all contacts of those infected, we can reduce the number of infected people, when those who are positive results go in to isolation. If every one catching this infects less than 1 person, the virus will die out. The government needs to reopen its contact tracing teams and recruit more, if needed. If you think this virus will die out you are very much misinformed, as much as I wish it would, can you name ONE virus that has died out when vaccination hasn't been introduced. I'm on a skiing forum that has lots of French members they said earlier today that the French are stopping plans for mass testing as the advice is it doesn't stop the spread. This virus will infect almost everyone at some point unless A they have no contact with anyone until an effective vaccine is available or B herd immunity means the risk is lower, I can name one: SARs There have been no cases in the last few years but the who still spend lots of time keeping an eye out for it, sars although far more deadly than corvid19 is not in the same league, it is far harder to catch it and symptoms tend to appear quicker, there less than 9000 cases, " You asked for ONE virus that died out without a vaccination and I gave you one. The French are delusional if they think mass testing isn't the way to go, sounds like a bullshit excuse to mask the fact they don't have enough tests to do it. Just like the UK is pretending face masks aren't necessary to hide the fact that the NHS might run out if the public started wearing them. Vietnam achieved the same thing as mass testing with aggressive contact tracing. Ultimately it is all about getting each infected person to infect less than 1 other person. That will be achieved long before a vaccine is available. The only question is how many people die first. | |||
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"We need to increase our testing rates, similarly to other countries including Germany. If we also trace all contacts of those infected, we can reduce the number of infected people, when those who are positive results go in to isolation. If every one catching this infects less than 1 person, the virus will die out. The government needs to reopen its contact tracing teams and recruit more, if needed. If you think this virus will die out you are very much misinformed, as much as I wish it would, can you name ONE virus that has died out when vaccination hasn't been introduced. I'm on a skiing forum that has lots of French members they said earlier today that the French are stopping plans for mass testing as the advice is it doesn't stop the spread. This virus will infect almost everyone at some point unless A they have no contact with anyone until an effective vaccine is available or B herd immunity means the risk is lower, I can name one: SARs" Gladly cov-sars1 was so nasty it gave little room for asymptomatic spread Cov-sars2 however will remain possibly forever in what as known as virus reservoirs I'd suggest unless EVERY human in the world complies we cannot irradiate by isolation Thus even if by restrictions a counties infection rate reduces any time its restriction is lifted whoever's not been infected is there to die become Ill recover or just spread it Technically speaking if you are vulnerable like my mother you are in total lock down isolation until anyone she meets has either recovered or been vaccinated Ie if you dont want the vulnerable to die they must stay in total isolation for months , xmas ? Next March? Unless also we have mis calculated and the 100 000 tested cases is not 10 percent of a real million its actually. 5 percent of 20 million (not a chance) Then currently we have about 64 million all ready to spread at an exponential rate anytime a lockdown is removed | |||
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"We need to increase our testing rates, similarly to other countries including Germany. If we also trace all contacts of those infected, we can reduce the number of infected people, when those who are positive results go in to isolation. If every one catching this infects less than 1 person, the virus will die out. The government needs to reopen its contact tracing teams and recruit more, if needed. If you think this virus will die out you are very much misinformed, as much as I wish it would, can you name ONE virus that has died out when vaccination hasn't been introduced. I'm on a skiing forum that has lots of French members they said earlier today that the French are stopping plans for mass testing as the advice is it doesn't stop the spread. This virus will infect almost everyone at some point unless A they have no contact with anyone until an effective vaccine is available or B herd immunity means the risk is lower, I can name one: SARs Gladly cov-sars1 was so nasty it gave little room for asymptomatic spread Cov-sars2 however will remain possibly forever in what as known as virus reservoirs I'd suggest unless EVERY human in the world complies we cannot irradiate by isolation Thus even if by restrictions a counties infection rate reduces any time its restriction is lifted whoever's not been infected is there to die become Ill recover or just spread it Technically speaking if you are vulnerable like my mother you are in total lock down isolation until anyone she meets has either recovered or been vaccinated Ie if you dont want the vulnerable to die they must stay in total isolation for months , xmas ? Next March? Unless also we have mis calculated and the 100 000 tested cases is not 10 percent of a real million its actually. 5 percent of 20 million (not a chance) Then currently we have about 64 million all ready to spread at an exponential rate anytime a lockdown is removed " Perhaps your mother will be pleased to know there isn't any evidence of a bounce back effect. Also you can take Taiwan, Singapore, Vietnam and South Korea, combine them and you have a population the same as the UK + Italy + Spain. The first group have had 247 deaths total with no vaccine. | |||
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"We need to increase our testing rates, similarly to other countries including Germany. If we also trace all contacts of those infected, we can reduce the number of infected people, when those who are positive results go in to isolation. If every one catching this infects less than 1 person, the virus will die out. The government needs to reopen its contact tracing teams and recruit more, if needed. If you think this virus will die out you are very much misinformed, as much as I wish it would, can you name ONE virus that has died out when vaccination hasn't been introduced. I'm on a skiing forum that has lots of French members they said earlier today that the French are stopping plans for mass testing as the advice is it doesn't stop the spread. This virus will infect almost everyone at some point unless A they have no contact with anyone until an effective vaccine is available or B herd immunity means the risk is lower, I can name one: SARs Gladly cov-sars1 was so nasty it gave little room for asymptomatic spread Cov-sars2 however will remain possibly forever in what as known as virus reservoirs I'd suggest unless EVERY human in the world complies we cannot irradiate by isolation Thus even if by restrictions a counties infection rate reduces any time its restriction is lifted whoever's not been infected is there to die become Ill recover or just spread it Technically speaking if you are vulnerable like my mother you are in total lock down isolation until anyone she meets has either recovered or been vaccinated Ie if you dont want the vulnerable to die they must stay in total isolation for months , xmas ? Next March? Unless also we have mis calculated and the 100 000 tested cases is not 10 percent of a real million its actually. 5 percent of 20 million (not a chance) Then currently we have about 64 million all ready to spread at an exponential rate anytime a lockdown is removed Perhaps your mother will be pleased to know there isn't any evidence of a bounce back effect. Also you can take Taiwan, Singapore, Vietnam and South Korea, combine them and you have a population the same as the UK + Italy + Spain. The first group have had 247 deaths total with no vaccine. " Of course there will be bounce back else somewhere we have not been given the truth Please convince me why the re occurrence is not inevitable? | |||
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"We need to increase our testing rates, similarly to other countries including Germany. If we also trace all contacts of those infected, we can reduce the number of infected people, when those who are positive results go in to isolation. If every one catching this infects less than 1 person, the virus will die out. The government needs to reopen its contact tracing teams and recruit more, if needed. If you think this virus will die out you are very much misinformed, as much as I wish it would, can you name ONE virus that has died out when vaccination hasn't been introduced. I'm on a skiing forum that has lots of French members they said earlier today that the French are stopping plans for mass testing as the advice is it doesn't stop the spread. This virus will infect almost everyone at some point unless A they have no contact with anyone until an effective vaccine is available or B herd immunity means the risk is lower, I can name one: SARs Gladly cov-sars1 was so nasty it gave little room for asymptomatic spread Cov-sars2 however will remain possibly forever in what as known as virus reservoirs I'd suggest unless EVERY human in the world complies we cannot irradiate by isolation Thus even if by restrictions a counties infection rate reduces any time its restriction is lifted whoever's not been infected is there to die become Ill recover or just spread it Technically speaking if you are vulnerable like my mother you are in total lock down isolation until anyone she meets has either recovered or been vaccinated Ie if you dont want the vulnerable to die they must stay in total isolation for months , xmas ? Next March? Unless also we have mis calculated and the 100 000 tested cases is not 10 percent of a real million its actually. 5 percent of 20 million (not a chance) Then currently we have about 64 million all ready to spread at an exponential rate anytime a lockdown is removed Perhaps your mother will be pleased to know there isn't any evidence of a bounce back effect. Also you can take Taiwan, Singapore, Vietnam and South Korea, combine them and you have a population the same as the UK + Italy + Spain. The first group have had 247 deaths total with no vaccine. Of course there will be bounce back else somewhere we have not been given the truth Please convince me why the re occurrence is not inevitable?" Nah I'm good. Some people will believe whatever they want, regardless of the data. I've already named 4 countries that your mum would be perfectly safe in. | |||
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"We need to increase our testing rates, similarly to other countries including Germany. If we also trace all contacts of those infected, we can reduce the number of infected people, when those who are positive results go in to isolation. If every one catching this infects less than 1 person, the virus will die out. The government needs to reopen its contact tracing teams and recruit more, if needed. If you think this virus will die out you are very much misinformed, as much as I wish it would, can you name ONE virus that has died out when vaccination hasn't been introduced. I'm on a skiing forum that has lots of French members they said earlier today that the French are stopping plans for mass testing as the advice is it doesn't stop the spread. This virus will infect almost everyone at some point unless A they have no contact with anyone until an effective vaccine is available or B herd immunity means the risk is lower, I can name one: SARs Gladly cov-sars1 was so nasty it gave little room for asymptomatic spread Cov-sars2 however will remain possibly forever in what as known as virus reservoirs I'd suggest unless EVERY human in the world complies we cannot irradiate by isolation Thus even if by restrictions a counties infection rate reduces any time its restriction is lifted whoever's not been infected is there to die become Ill recover or just spread it Technically speaking if you are vulnerable like my mother you are in total lock down isolation until anyone she meets has either recovered or been vaccinated Ie if you dont want the vulnerable to die they must stay in total isolation for months , xmas ? Next March? Unless also we have mis calculated and the 100 000 tested cases is not 10 percent of a real million its actually. 5 percent of 20 million (not a chance) Then currently we have about 64 million all ready to spread at an exponential rate anytime a lockdown is removed Perhaps your mother will be pleased to know there isn't any evidence of a bounce back effect. Also you can take Taiwan, Singapore, Vietnam and South Korea, combine them and you have a population the same as the UK + Italy + Spain. The first group have had 247 deaths total with no vaccine. Of course there will be bounce back else somewhere we have not been given the truth Please convince me why the re occurrence is not inevitable? Nah I'm good. Some people will believe whatever they want, regardless of the data. I've already named 4 countries that your mum would be perfectly safe in. " Erm they are all in lock down are they not Are you seriously suggesting that my mum could safely walk into a German shop or airport My point is of course they are safe in lockdown There is no data beyond that I do follow the data You suggesting it will be ok in Germany is not data Now maybe I've miss heard if the data is Germany has now reduced all lock down rules and there has been no new cases and it is absolutely not permitting travel in or out without a strict quarantine policy I may take note So have I missed where Germany has been out of a restrictions policy for weeks with zero cases? If not I think you may find data illustrates Germany had no cases Only a couple were needed with an uninfected population for uncontrolled spread Very strict lock down has prevented a large spread but not removed it from the world Anything less than fairly restrictive movement will inevitably allow the virus to continue its journey As illustrated if there are more than 6 cases that are asymptomatic and hidden a month of relaxed rules will lead to spread I'm open to any data that illustrates otherwise | |||
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"By the end oMay it will be 11 weeks ....from someone who’s been out working through all this I have the feeling that people are now becoming a bit more relaxed about . Traffic is getting heavier and more people are out and about ... The economy will never recover at this rate "Totally agree with you i have also been working it was deserted for the first 2 weeks. Now everyone is out i work in retail and alot are very abusive towards staff as well. If they all keep coming out lockdown will never end. | |||
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"We need to increase our testing rates, similarly to other countries including Germany. If we also trace all contacts of those infected, we can reduce the number of infected people, when those who are positive results go in to isolation. If every one catching this infects less than 1 person, the virus will die out. The government needs to reopen its contact tracing teams and recruit more, if needed. If you think this virus will die out you are very much misinformed, as much as I wish it would, can you name ONE virus that has died out when vaccination hasn't been introduced. I'm on a skiing forum that has lots of French members they said earlier today that the French are stopping plans for mass testing as the advice is it doesn't stop the spread. This virus will infect almost everyone at some point unless A they have no contact with anyone until an effective vaccine is available or B herd immunity means the risk is lower, I can name one: SARs Gladly cov-sars1 was so nasty it gave little room for asymptomatic spread Cov-sars2 however will remain possibly forever in what as known as virus reservoirs I'd suggest unless EVERY human in the world complies we cannot irradiate by isolation Thus even if by restrictions a counties infection rate reduces any time its restriction is lifted whoever's not been infected is there to die become Ill recover or just spread it Technically speaking if you are vulnerable like my mother you are in total lock down isolation until anyone she meets has either recovered or been vaccinated Ie if you dont want the vulnerable to die they must stay in total isolation for months , xmas ? Next March? Unless also we have mis calculated and the 100 000 tested cases is not 10 percent of a real million its actually. 5 percent of 20 million (not a chance) Then currently we have about 64 million all ready to spread at an exponential rate anytime a lockdown is removed Perhaps your mother will be pleased to know there isn't any evidence of a bounce back effect. Also you can take Taiwan, Singapore, Vietnam and South Korea, combine them and you have a population the same as the UK + Italy + Spain. The first group have had 247 deaths total with no vaccine. Of course there will be bounce back else somewhere we have not been given the truth Please convince me why the re occurrence is not inevitable? Nah I'm good. Some people will believe whatever they want, regardless of the data. I've already named 4 countries that your mum would be perfectly safe in. " Oh and I think I read an untruth We need to increase our testing rates, similarly to other countries including Germany. If we also trace all contacts of those infected, we can reduce the number of infected people, when those who are positive results go in to isolation. So every German who enters a German shop must log the name and address of everyone in that shop You propose that you can do that here I think that fanciful fiction I wish we could eradicate it However unless the world the entire world changes everything then it's not going to go away without immunisation | |||
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"We need to increase our testing rates, similarly to other countries including Germany. If we also trace all contacts of those infected, we can reduce the number of infected people, when those who are positive results go in to isolation. If every one catching this infects less than 1 person, the virus will die out. The government needs to reopen its contact tracing teams and recruit more, if needed. If you think this virus will die out you are very much misinformed, as much as I wish it would, can you name ONE virus that has died out when vaccination hasn't been introduced. I'm on a skiing forum that has lots of French members they said earlier today that the French are stopping plans for mass testing as the advice is it doesn't stop the spread. This virus will infect almost everyone at some point unless A they have no contact with anyone until an effective vaccine is available or B herd immunity means the risk is lower, I can name one: SARs Gladly cov-sars1 was so nasty it gave little room for asymptomatic spread Cov-sars2 however will remain possibly forever in what as known as virus reservoirs I'd suggest unless EVERY human in the world complies we cannot irradiate by isolation Thus even if by restrictions a counties infection rate reduces any time its restriction is lifted whoever's not been infected is there to die become Ill recover or just spread it Technically speaking if you are vulnerable like my mother you are in total lock down isolation until anyone she meets has either recovered or been vaccinated Ie if you dont want the vulnerable to die they must stay in total isolation for months , xmas ? Next March? Unless also we have mis calculated and the 100 000 tested cases is not 10 percent of a real million its actually. 5 percent of 20 million (not a chance) Then currently we have about 64 million all ready to spread at an exponential rate anytime a lockdown is removed Perhaps your mother will be pleased to know there isn't any evidence of a bounce back effect. Also you can take Taiwan, Singapore, Vietnam and South Korea, combine them and you have a population the same as the UK + Italy + Spain. The first group have had 247 deaths total with no vaccine. Of course there will be bounce back else somewhere we have not been given the truth Please convince me why the re occurrence is not inevitable? Nah I'm good. Some people will believe whatever they want, regardless of the data. I've already named 4 countries that your mum would be perfectly safe in. Erm they are all in lock down are they not Are you seriously suggesting that my mum could safely walk into a German shop or airport My point is of course they are safe in lockdown There is no data beyond that I do follow the data You suggesting it will be ok in Germany is not data Now maybe I've miss heard if the data is Germany has now reduced all lock down rules and there has been no new cases and it is absolutely not permitting travel in or out without a strict quarantine policy I may take note So have I missed where Germany has been out of a restrictions policy for weeks with zero cases? If not I think you may find data illustrates Germany had no cases Only a couple were needed with an uninfected population for uncontrolled spread Very strict lock down has prevented a large spread but not removed it from the world Anything less than fairly restrictive movement will inevitably allow the virus to continue its journey As illustrated if there are more than 6 cases that are asymptomatic and hidden a month of relaxed rules will lead to spread I'm open to any data that illustrates otherwise " No South Korea is not in lockdown and never has been. I never mentioned Germany so you're arguing with yourself. | |||
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"Willing to take the risk at least ... I’ve faced far deadlier odds ... if I die I die ... And he gets meets. Omg!! So hes prepared to put people at risk and himself??hope he never gets a meet again after that statement. He should stay home protect NHS save lives in any circumstance. Grr!! Your really going to loose you shit then when you discover I’m also married (she’s on here too) ... to a nurse .. Wel your not the hero are you??" “All the hero’s I know are dead” - never a truer quote - I’ve seen true hero’s , no I’m not a hero never claimed to be I hope I get the chance to be one day. | |||
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"Willing to take the risk at least ... I’ve faced far deadlier odds ... if I die I die ... And he gets meets. Omg!! So hes prepared to put people at risk and himself??hope he never gets a meet again after that statement. He should stay home protect NHS save lives in any circumstance. Grr!! Your really going to loose you shit then when you discover I’m also married (she’s on here too) ... to a nurse .. Wel your not the hero are you?? “All the hero’s I know are dead” - never a truer quote - I’ve seen true hero’s , no I’m not a hero never claimed to be I hope I get the chance to be one day." If i die i die?? Take a seat and think about the poor familys that are losing people every day without any chance of saying goodbye holding there hands looking into there eyes for the last time. The poor nurses having to watch a person pass away on there own. All you got is if i die i die. OMG. When this started they said youll see the best and worst in people and my god you are one of the worst. I think for all humanity you should stay home protect the nhs save lives. | |||
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"Lift the lockdown get the economy back on track and see who makes the cut ... Do you think if the lockdown was lifted tomorrow say people would flock to the pubs, book their summer holidays, visit their families, allow builders etc into their homes, take driving lessons, visit the gym...etc?!! " I think you would find that’s what most people would do. That will be the case whenever this lockdown gets lifted | |||
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"Don’t know about you guys but we’re gagging for a holiday, I just hope it’s all over soon and we can start to live again instead of just existing "I know us too. I keep dreaming about all the places we want to go too. I get the feeling holiday companies will put their prices up unfortunately, trouble is think people will pay it as many are desperate for a holiday. | |||
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"Lift the lockdown get the economy back on track and see who makes the cut ... " What a top statement! See if you feel the same macho bullshit as you're gasping you're last, as an unknown nurse is the only one to comfort you just before you croak ...total Muppet fgs! | |||
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"Don’t know about you guys but we’re gagging for a holiday, I just hope it’s all over soon and we can start to live again instead of just existing
I know us too. I keep dreaming about all the places we want to go too.
I get the feeling holiday companies will put their prices up unfortunately, trouble is think people will pay it as many are desperate for a holiday. "I’m not so sure about the prices, people will be hesitant so the market will be competitive to entice the punters, Top of the list, a return to Venus star for us xx  | |||
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"Don’t know about you guys but we’re gagging for a holiday, I just hope it’s all over soon and we can start to live again instead of just existing
I know us too. I keep dreaming about all the places we want to go too.
I get the feeling holiday companies will put their prices up unfortunately, trouble is think people will pay it as many are desperate for a holiday. I’m not so sure about the prices, people will be hesitant so the market will be competitive to entice the punters, Top of the list, a return to Venus star for us xx "I hope your right, then we could have a couple of holidays if price is low 
Venus blimey your travelling a way ha ha! I didn’t even know we could get flights there lol! | |||
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"Lift the lockdown get the economy back on track and see who makes the cut ... "  No and you know why ! | |||
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"Life will return to normal quicker than people think Humans adapt " What do you mean by normal ? To the way life was in January ? March ? You are right that humans adapt and we will have to. Other ways of living will become the new norm and if anyone thinks you aren't going to pay very highly for this epidemic with your hard earned cash... think again. Some things will never return but others will take their place. | |||
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"If the economy collapses deaths will soar at a far greater rate!! Without an economy how do you suppose we trade? Pay staff? Keep the NHS going? Has the economy crashed anywhere else? The chancellor has been warned we are on course for the biggest economy crash in 300 years. If things don't change soon. Whilst none have crashed yet it's only a matter of time. What happened 300 years ago? Sorry correction I thought I'd read 300 years somewhere but it was 100 years. Which I'm assuming was post ww1 and the spanish flu pandemic. Before that was 1812 which was post the napoleonic wars " And 300 years ago ( ish ) was the economy crash due to the big freeze. | |||
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"Don’t know about you guys but we’re gagging for a holiday, I just hope it’s all over soon and we can start to live again instead of just existing
I know us too. I keep dreaming about all the places we want to go too.
I get the feeling holiday companies will put their prices up unfortunately, trouble is think people will pay it as many are desperate for a holiday. I’m not so sure about the prices, people will be hesitant so the market will be competitive to entice the punters, Top of the list, a return to Venus star for us xx
I hope your right, then we could have a couple of holidays if price is low
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"Lift the lockdown get the economy back on track and see who makes the cut ... Do you think if the lockdown was lifted tomorrow say people would flock to the pubs, book their summer holidays, visit their families, allow builders etc into their homes, take driving lessons, visit the gym...etc?!! " The very same people who have been seen drinking with their mates in parks, driving 170 + miles to go their second home would definitely do just that. | |||
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"Don’t know about you guys but we’re gagging for a holiday, I just hope it’s all over soon and we can start to live again instead of just existing
I know us too. I keep dreaming about all the places we want to go too.
I get the feeling holiday companies will put their prices up unfortunately, trouble is think people will pay it as many are desperate for a holiday. "A holiday from what, exactly? Unless you're front line NHS or some other key worker we haven't done anything in the last 5 weeks to warrant a holiday. And if you're at home during this, doing nothing effectively, what's different about being on holiday to that other than the location? Sitting on your arse all day with the family around you | |||
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"Lift the lockdown get the economy back on track and see who makes the cut ... Do you think if the lockdown was lifted tomorrow say people would flock to the pubs, book their summer holidays, visit their families, allow builders etc into their homes, take driving lessons, visit the gym...etc?!! The very same people who have been seen drinking with their mates in parks, driving 170 + miles to go their second home would definitely do just that." ...and this madness will begin again. | |||
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"Don’t know about you guys but we’re gagging for a holiday, I just hope it’s all over soon and we can start to live again instead of just existing
I know us too. I keep dreaming about all the places we want to go too.
I get the feeling holiday companies will put their prices up unfortunately, trouble is think people will pay it as many are desperate for a holiday.
A holiday from what, exactly?
Unless you're front line NHS or some other key worker we haven't done anything in the last 5 weeks to warrant a holiday.
And if you're at home during this, doing nothing effectively, what's different about being on holiday to that other than the location? Sitting on your arse all day with the family around you "Another one under the misconception that only key workers are working currently. There are millions of people still working in this country that aren’t front line or key workers. Are you aware of that ? | |||
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"Don’t know about you guys but we’re gagging for a holiday, I just hope it’s all over soon and we can start to live again instead of just existing
I know us too. I keep dreaming about all the places we want to go too.
I get the feeling holiday companies will put their prices up unfortunately, trouble is think people will pay it as many are desperate for a holiday.
A holiday from what, exactly?
Unless you're front line NHS or some other key worker we haven't done anything in the last 5 weeks to warrant a holiday.
And if you're at home during this, doing nothing effectively, what's different about being on holiday to that other than the location? Sitting on your arse all day with the family around you
Another one under the misconception that only key workers are working currently. There are millions of people still working in this country that aren’t front line or key workers. Are you aware of that ? "Yes, and I'm one of them. However, I don't think that I am in any way deserving of, or needing, a holiday of any kind because my second job is currently cancelled and so I'm less busy than I am usually. As are probably most people | |||
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"Don’t know about you guys but we’re gagging for a holiday, I just hope it’s all over soon and we can start to live again instead of just existing
I know us too. I keep dreaming about all the places we want to go too.
I get the feeling holiday companies will put their prices up unfortunately, trouble is think people will pay it as many are desperate for a holiday.
A holiday from what, exactly?
Unless you're front line NHS or some other key worker we haven't done anything in the last 5 weeks to warrant a holiday.
And if you're at home during this, doing nothing effectively, what's different about being on holiday to that other than the location? Sitting on your arse all day with the family around you
Another one under the misconception that only key workers are working currently. There are millions of people still working in this country that aren’t front line or key workers. Are you aware of that ?
Yes, and I'm one of them.
However, I don't think that I am in any way deserving of, or needing, a holiday of any kind because my second job is currently cancelled and so I'm less busy than I am usually. As are probably most people "Deserving? This isn't communism where you apply for permission to take a fudging holiday. What an odd view of the world | |||
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"Don’t you just adore the lockdown lovers? " What do we want? *people on fab* "stricter lock down rules" When do we want it. *people on fab* "forever" | |||
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"Don’t you just adore the lockdown lovers? What do we want? *people on fab* "stricter lock down rules" When do we want it. *people on fab* "forever" "Lol - so true! For some people, ‘home’ isn’t a very nice place. | |||
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"Don’t know about you guys but we’re gagging for a holiday, I just hope it’s all over soon and we can start to live again instead of just existing
I know us too. I keep dreaming about all the places we want to go too.
I get the feeling holiday companies will put their prices up unfortunately, trouble is think people will pay it as many are desperate for a holiday.
A holiday from what, exactly?
Unless you're front line NHS or some other key worker we haven't done anything in the last 5 weeks to warrant a holiday.
And if you're at home during this, doing nothing effectively, what's different about being on holiday to that other than the location? Sitting on your arse all day with the family around you "It's not a case of warranting a holiday. Some may feel they need a holiday and it is different than being at home, sitting on your arse. We like our holidays, getting away from responsibilities, walking on a beach, swimming in the sea and experiencing a different culture.Also meeting up with old friends. We are looking forward to a holiday, whenever that is possible. | |||
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"Don’t you just adore the lockdown lovers? What do we want? *people on fab* "stricter lock down rules" When do we want it. *people on fab* "forever"
Lol - so true! For some people, ‘home’ isn’t a very nice place. "I love my home and am happy to spend time in it, I also like my holidays | |||
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"Don’t know about you guys but we’re gagging for a holiday, I just hope it’s all over soon and we can start to live again instead of just existing "I'm still hoping my holiday at the end of the year will still go ahead x | |||
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"Why are we all guessing. All these posts on sites like this and other sites are not helpful to those with anxiety issues. We dont know. We have already been told that after the end of may even big companies are going to struggle... so I would imagine they are not going to let the whole country go under. We are trying to delay not stop the virus " It is a forum, if people have anxiety issues then it would make sense for them not to come onto the forums and read these types of threads ?? | |||
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"The virus is not about you.i am sure you wi be fine. Many will just get the snifffles But its about the vulnarable, you could carry it and spread it to god knows how many. 1 in 10 patients in hospital have no underlying health issues..." That are pre-known... | |||
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"Younger people with zero current health issues are still dying. " You mean zero known current health conditions... | |||
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"Why are we all guessing. All these posts on sites like this and other sites are not helpful to those with anxiety issues. We dont know. We have already been told that after the end of may even big companies are going to struggle... so I would imagine they are not going to let the whole country go under. We are trying to delay not stop the virus It is a forum, if people have anxiety issues then it would make sense for them not to come onto the forums and read these types of threads ??" it would but people also come on the forums for support. Personally I dont believe most of what I read in the news..and have been finding myself resfing medical and scientific journals. | |||
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