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"It would make minimal difference imo. The changes needed are for many jobs that are very low paid, with minimal security and fewer zero hours contracts and pseudo self-employment. Council budgets have had £millions taken from them by national government, forcing them to cut services and suppress pay levels for their lower paid - the emphasis must be on the government to reverse some cuts of taxpayer money to councils. Plus we need to better integrate health and social care services, a change that they have deferred for years. This would sustain greater employment in provision of a more suitable care service for older and disabled people, with staff better paid. " Couldn't agree more.Our council has (unsurprisingly) had one of the biggest cuts in the country. | |||
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"Before normality begins (aside from the NHS): Pay rises should be for: Carers. Bin collection operatives. Pay cuts should be for: Council management, especially those that earn over £100K (for doing WHAT?). I understand some are on 6x the PM salary. What are your thoughts, would you cry and be upset if Council managers took a pay cut? Would you say "here here" if carers received a pay rise and bin workers at least received a bonus? "No argument from me this should be so weather virus ever existed or not. | |||
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"Before normality begins (aside from the NHS): Pay rises should be for: Carers. Bin collection operatives. Pay cuts should be for: Council management, especially those that earn over £100K (for doing WHAT?). I understand some are on 6x the PM salary. What are your thoughts, would you cry and be upset if Council managers took a pay cut? Would you say "here here" if carers received a pay rise and bin workers at least received a bonus? "The Prime Minister gets around £160k. Which council managers are being paid £960k per annum? | |||
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"I can't understand why the chief operating officer (whatever that is) of my local council is on over £370,000 " Your profile says you're in Southport. Chief exec of Sefton, which I thik covers Southport, in their last senior officer's pay report, got paid £140k - £145k. So where did you get your numbers from? | |||
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"Before normality begins (aside from the NHS): Pay rises should be for: Carers. Bin collection operatives. Pay cuts should be for: Council management, especially those that earn over £100K (for doing WHAT?). I understand some are on 6x the PM salary. What are your thoughts, would you cry and be upset if Council managers took a pay cut? Would you say "here here" if carers received a pay rise and bin workers at least received a bonus? "A pay cut to managers to finance the pay increase to the lower paid seems fair  | |||
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"I can't understand why the chief operating officer (whatever that is) of my local council is on over £370,000 Your profile says you're in Southport. Chief exec of Sefton, which I thik covers Southport, in their last senior officer's pay report, got paid £140k - £145k. So where did you get your numbers from?" I didn't say chief exec, it's actually the head of highways and public protection the actual pay package is £372,840 my information is via the taxpayers alliance who made a freedom information request. As a previous poster has mentioned the prime minister is paid £160,000 I can't believe this council tosser is worth over £370,00 | |||
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"Before normality begins (aside from the NHS): Pay rises should be for: Carers. Bin collection operatives. Pay cuts should be for: Council management, especially those that earn over £100K (for doing WHAT?). I understand some are on 6x the PM salary. What are your thoughts, would you cry and be upset if Council managers took a pay cut? Would you say "here here" if carers received a pay rise and bin workers at least received a bonus? "Just another unquantified, uneducated rant. Your spouting Facebook fodder.... no substance to what your actually saying and can’t be discussed sensibly as it’s just you angrily barking at the moon. | |||
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"There are not many council run care homes anymore, most are private now so not enough impact help wise for carers from the councils purse " That's true however there are many in care homes funded either partially or fully because of their individual health or personal circumstances.. Some funding is from central and some from local government.. | |||
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"Before normality begins (aside from the NHS): Pay rises should be for: Carers. Bin collection operatives. Pay cuts should be for: Council management, especially those that earn over £100K (for doing WHAT?). I understand some are on 6x the PM salary. What are your thoughts, would you cry and be upset if Council managers took a pay cut? Would you say "here here" if carers received a pay rise and bin workers at least received a bonus?
Just another unquantified, uneducated rant. Your spouting Facebook fodder.... no substance to what your actually saying and can’t be discussed sensibly as it’s just you angrily barking at the moon. "Let me guess you work for the Council in management and are trying to climb the ladder (couldn't give a damn about the real workers of the country). It's a good job we are not within 6foot right at the moment lad. Your response sounds like a typical FAB troll response.....Get a life and be friendly or have you forgotten that?  | |||
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"Before normality begins (aside from the NHS): Pay rises should be for: Carers. Bin collection operatives. Pay cuts should be for: Council management, especially those that earn over £100K (for doing WHAT?). I understand some are on 6x the PM salary. What are your thoughts, would you cry and be upset if Council managers took a pay cut? Would you say "here here" if carers received a pay rise and bin workers at least received a bonus?
Just another unquantified, uneducated rant. Your spouting Facebook fodder.... no substance to what your actually saying and can’t be discussed sensibly as it’s just you angrily barking at the moon.
Let me guess you work for the Council in management and are trying to climb the ladder (couldn't give a damn about the real workers of the country). It's a good job we are not within 6foot right at the moment lad. Your response sounds like a typical FAB troll response.....Get a life and be friendly or have you forgotten that? "Can you define real workers? | |||
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"Raise minimum wage to £11ph and commit to annual rises in line with RPI Raise ALL public sector workers pay by 8% Increase corporation tax Reduce military spending Introduce a scheme of beneficial business rates where companies tie salary of the top earning person to max 9x the lowest paid worker" Can you see that happening? | |||
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"There are not many council run care homes anymore, most are private now so not enough impact help wise for carers from the councils purse " Reason no PPE Equipment as private companies ,whom charge exuberant rates for residents. Probably a Tory on the board taking it in...  | |||
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"I can't understand why the chief operating officer (whatever that is) of my local council is on over £370,000 Your profile says you're in Southport. Chief exec of Sefton, which I thik covers Southport, in their last senior officer's pay report, got paid £140k - £145k. So where did you get your numbers from? I didn't say chief exec, it's actually the head of highways and public protection the actual pay package is £372,840 my information is via the taxpayers alliance who made a freedom information request. As a previous poster has mentioned the prime minister is paid £160,000 I can't believe this council tosser is worth over £370,00" The taxpayers alliance, a unelected pressure group of largely tory supporters who want public spending cut to the bone and who see any form of public forms/documents etc published in anything apart from English as a waste of money | |||
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"Before normality begins (aside from the NHS): Pay rises should be for: Carers. Bin collection operatives. Pay cuts should be for: Council management, especially those that earn over £100K (for doing WHAT?). I understand some are on 6x the PM salary. What are your thoughts, would you cry and be upset if Council managers took a pay cut? Would you say "here here" if carers received a pay rise and bin workers at least received a bonus?
Just another unquantified, uneducated rant. Your spouting Facebook fodder.... no substance to what your actually saying and can’t be discussed sensibly as it’s just you angrily barking at the moon.
Let me guess you work for the Council in management and are trying to climb the ladder (couldn't give a damn about the real workers of the country). It's a good job we are not within 6foot right at the moment lad. Your response sounds like a typical FAB troll response.....Get a life and be friendly or have you forgotten that? "Nope, dont work for a council and I’m climbing no ladder. Not sure who you claim are ‘real’ workers.... I can give an educated guess tho. And what you would do if I was within 6 ft is.... absolutely nothing. So back in your box sweetheart  | |||
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"I can't understand why the chief operating officer (whatever that is) of my local council is on over £370,000 Your profile says you're in Southport. Chief exec of Sefton, which I thik covers Southport, in their last senior officer's pay report, got paid £140k - £145k. So where did you get your numbers from? I didn't say chief exec, it's actually the head of highways and public protection the actual pay package is £372,840 my information is via the taxpayers alliance who made a freedom information request. As a previous poster has mentioned the prime minister is paid £160,000 I can't believe this council tosser is worth over £370,00 The taxpayers alliance, a unelected pressure group of largely tory supporters who want public spending cut to the bone and who see any form of public forms/documents etc published in anything apart from English as a waste of money" I like the way they imply they are the only people who pay tax. | |||
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"Before normality begins (aside from the NHS): Pay rises should be for: Carers. Bin collection operatives. Pay cuts should be for: Council management, especially those that earn over £100K (for doing WHAT?). I understand some are on 6x the PM salary. What are your thoughts, would you cry and be upset if Council managers took a pay cut? Would you say "here here" if carers received a pay rise and bin workers at least received a bonus?
Just another unquantified, uneducated rant. Your spouting Facebook fodder.... no substance to what your actually saying and can’t be discussed sensibly as it’s just you angrily barking at the moon.
Let me guess you work for the Council in management and are trying to climb the ladder (couldn't give a damn about the real workers of the country). It's a good job we are not within 6foot right at the moment lad. Your response sounds like a typical FAB troll response.....Get a life and be friendly or have you forgotten that? ""Real workers", can you define who they are please | |||
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"I’ve friends who are senior managers within councils; compared to the private sector, they earn on the lower end of the scale for comparable jobs. The main benefits being that their pensions are protected so slightly better (don’t moan about those who have a better deal, ask why you haven’t got one). Remember if you want decent public services, you need good managers and workers; pay peanuts and get monkeys. Let’s not forget, that council budgets have been slashed over the last 10 years" A common sense post backed up with some actual substance.... back over to OP for more barking please | |||
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"I’ve friends who are senior managers within councils; compared to the private sector, they earn on the lower end of the scale for comparable jobs. The main benefits being that their pensions are protected so slightly better (don’t moan about those who have a better deal, ask why you haven’t got one). Remember if you want decent public services, you need good managers and workers; pay peanuts and get monkeys. Let’s not forget, that council budgets have been slashed over the last 10 years" Put quite simply, no Council manager is worth over £100K no matter what job they do. | |||
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"I’ve friends who are senior managers within councils; compared to the private sector, they earn on the lower end of the scale for comparable jobs. The main benefits being that their pensions are protected so slightly better (don’t moan about those who have a better deal, ask why you haven’t got one). Remember if you want decent public services, you need good managers and workers; pay peanuts and get monkeys. Let’s not forget, that council budgets have been slashed over the last 10 years Put quite simply, no Council manager is worth over £100K no matter what job they do." Are they not? Why not... the reality is you have zero idea what important people actually do or achieve... youre just angry about it. What about plumbers??? Are they worth 100K a year... cos there are plumbers earning that? I’m just trying to gauge where your anger stops and starts??? | |||
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"I have the best idea - raise all public sector wages in line with MPs wages "This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have.. All in it together eh..  | |||
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"I’ve friends who are senior managers within councils; compared to the private sector, they earn on the lower end of the scale for comparable jobs. The main benefits being that their pensions are protected so slightly better (don’t moan about those who have a better deal, ask why you haven’t got one). Remember if you want decent public services, you need good managers and workers; pay peanuts and get monkeys. Let’s not forget, that council budgets have been slashed over the last 10 years Put quite simply, no Council manager is worth over £100K no matter what job they do." Why? Do they work less harder than those on The private sector? | |||
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"I have the best idea - raise all public sector wages in line with MPs wages
This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have..
All in it together eh.. "Excellent point. | |||
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"I have the best idea - raise all public sector wages in line with MPs wages
This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have..
All in it together eh.. "Hahahahahahahahahahahahhahah You're joking. Police, a pay rise hahahaha. I am about to faint at the stupidity and insult of that. | |||
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"I have the best idea - raise all public sector wages in line with MPs wages
This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have..
All in it together eh..
Hahahahahahahahahahahahhahah You're joking. Police, a pay rise hahahaha. I am about to faint at the stupidity and insult of that."It wasnt just police..it was nurses,teachers etc. | |||
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"In all honesty I can't be arsed arguing with Trolls." Firstly I’m not a troll, little green tick will show that. But what’s happened is you’ve spouted your non sensical anger.... and when it hasn’t gone the way you’d hoped you’ve rolled over and wanted to take your anger out on others. Others that you have zero idea about, no idea what they do, why they earn what they earn etc. Now of course their are council management employees that may be overpaid, but there are also plenty that are underpaid. Yet you dint know that because your just angrily spouting nonsense. Hopefully you can chsnnel your anger at life more productively and I wish you well. | |||
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"I have the best idea - raise all public sector wages in line with MPs wages
This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have..
All in it together eh.. "I cannot see MPs accepting pay freezes or 1% rise. So it would have to benefit the many rather than the few | |||
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"I’ve friends who are senior managers within councils; compared to the private sector, they earn on the lower end of the scale for comparable jobs. The main benefits being that their pensions are protected so slightly better (don’t moan about those who have a better deal, ask why you haven’t got one). Remember if you want decent public services, you need good managers and workers; pay peanuts and get monkeys. Let’s not forget, that council budgets have been slashed over the last 10 years Put quite simply, no Council manager is worth over £100K no matter what job they do." How do you know? If that job is benchmarked (which it will be) against a similar job in the private sector then why shouldn’t it be paid a similar amount. If you pay less you won’t get the best people who are capable at delivering a good service. They will have tighter goals and even tighter budgets to manage | |||
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"I’ve friends who are senior managers within councils; compared to the private sector, they earn on the lower end of the scale for comparable jobs. The main benefits being that their pensions are protected so slightly better (don’t moan about those who have a better deal, ask why you haven’t got one). Remember if you want decent public services, you need good managers and workers; pay peanuts and get monkeys. Let’s not forget, that council budgets have been slashed over the last 10 years Put quite simply, no Council manager is worth over £100K no matter what job they do. How do you know? If that job is benchmarked (which it will be) against a similar job in the private sector then why shouldn’t it be paid a similar amount. If you pay less you won’t get the best people who are capable at delivering a good service. They will have tighter goals and even tighter budgets to manage" You’re wasting your time... he won’t get it | |||
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"I’ve friends who are senior managers within councils; compared to the private sector, they earn on the lower end of the scale for comparable jobs. The main benefits being that their pensions are protected so slightly better (don’t moan about those who have a better deal, ask why you haven’t got one). Remember if you want decent public services, you need good managers and workers; pay peanuts and get monkeys. Let’s not forget, that council budgets have been slashed over the last 10 years Put quite simply, no Council manager is worth over £100K no matter what job they do. How do you know? If that job is benchmarked (which it will be) against a similar job in the private sector then why shouldn’t it be paid a similar amount. If you pay less you won’t get the best people who are capable at delivering a good service. They will have tighter goals and even tighter budgets to manage" Quite often people are head hunted for top managerial positions to tempt them into the public sector, they then can dictate their salary to some extent. | |||
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"I have the best idea - raise all public sector wages in line with MPs wages
This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have..
All in it together eh.. "This would an excellent idea
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"I have the best idea - raise all public sector wages in line with MPs wages
This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have..
All in it together eh..
I cannot see MPs accepting pay freezes or 1% rise. So it would have to benefit the many rather than the few "Ok. Let’s try to get it back on track. I’m going to stick my neck out. I’m not concerned at MPs pay rises at the moment. In the scheme of things it’s not huge. However I do think £160k to run the country is crap. However, I do think there should be some minimum level of ability for them. At the moment if you’re in somewhere like Tunbridge Wells, a donkey wearing a blue rose would win. Similarly a baboon in Barnsley would win for labour. That can’t be a good way to select our leaders. | |||
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"Before normality begins (aside from the NHS): Pay rises should be for: Carers. Bin collection operatives. Pay cuts should be for: Council management, especially those that earn over £100K (for doing WHAT?). I understand some are on 6x the PM salary. What are your thoughts, would you cry and be upset if Council managers took a pay cut? Would you say "here here" if carers received a pay rise and bin workers at least received a bonus? "What I would like to know is why managers must take a pay cut just because they are a manager. Surely their performance in their duties is the important thing, not just their job title. I would also argue that a pay rise for carers is a good idea, but as they are almost all working for commercial care providers the only suitable method would be to raise the minimum wage, which won't be perceived as a reward targetted solely at the carers. | |||
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"I have the best idea - raise all public sector wages in line with MPs wages
This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have..
All in it together eh..
I cannot see MPs accepting pay freezes or 1% rise. So it would have to benefit the many rather than the few
Ok. Let’s try to get it back on track. I’m going to stick my neck out.
I’m not concerned at MPs pay rises at the moment. In the scheme of things it’s not huge. However I do think £160k to run the country is crap.
However, I do think there should be some minimum level of ability for them. At the moment if you’re in somewhere like Tunbridge Wells, a donkey wearing a blue rose would win. Similarly a baboon in Barnsley would win for labour. That can’t be a good way to select our leaders. "Off topic, as the post was about Council managers getting a cut to fund lower paid workers. It won't happen though for sure as the hard working man never greatly prospers when just using his hands and skills. Plumbers earning £100K as mentioned are very few and far between and are probably only the owners of Plumbing companies, while the operatives earn a lot less. | |||
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"I have the best idea - raise all public sector wages in line with MPs wages
This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have..
All in it together eh..
I cannot see MPs accepting pay freezes or 1% rise. So it would have to benefit the many rather than the few
Ok. Let’s try to get it back on track. I’m going to stick my neck out.
I’m not concerned at MPs pay rises at the moment. In the scheme of things it’s not huge. However I do think £160k to run the country is crap.
However, I do think there should be some minimum level of ability for them. At the moment if you’re in somewhere like Tunbridge Wells, a donkey wearing a blue rose would win. Similarly a baboon in Barnsley would win for labour. That can’t be a good way to select our leaders. "Away with you  .
I'm talking wage increases by % to match with public sector. Don't you dare suggest they are worth more. Let's face it, they don't start at £22-3 grand like newly qualified nurses, therefore their wage increase will always be more. | |||
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"I have the best idea - raise all public sector wages in line with MPs wages
This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have..
All in it together eh..
I cannot see MPs accepting pay freezes or 1% rise. So it would have to benefit the many rather than the few
Ok. Let’s try to get it back on track. I’m going to stick my neck out.
I’m not concerned at MPs pay rises at the moment. In the scheme of things it’s not huge. However I do think £160k to run the country is crap.
However, I do think there should be some minimum level of ability for them. At the moment if you’re in somewhere like Tunbridge Wells, a donkey wearing a blue rose would win. Similarly a baboon in Barnsley would win for labour. That can’t be a good way to select our leaders. "Oh plus their benefits. | |||
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"I have the best idea - raise all public sector wages in line with MPs wages
This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have..
All in it together eh..
I cannot see MPs accepting pay freezes or 1% rise. So it would have to benefit the many rather than the few
Ok. Let’s try to get it back on track. I’m going to stick my neck out.
I’m not concerned at MPs pay rises at the moment. In the scheme of things it’s not huge. However I do think £160k to run the country is crap.
However, I do think there should be some minimum level of ability for them. At the moment if you’re in somewhere like Tunbridge Wells, a donkey wearing a blue rose would win. Similarly a baboon in Barnsley would win for labour. That can’t be a good way to select our leaders.
Off topic, as the post was about Council managers getting a cut to fund lower paid workers. It won't happen though for sure as the hard working man never greatly prospers when just using his hands and skills. Plumbers earning £100K as mentioned are very few and far between and are probably only the owners of Plumbing companies, while the operatives earn a lot less."Ah, so your anger is at someone who wears a suit??? Now it’s all very clear, if you aren’t wearing overalls and getting dirt under your nails your not a hard worker or contributing.... gotcha
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"I have the best idea - raise all public sector wages in line with MPs wages
This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have..
All in it together eh..
I cannot see MPs accepting pay freezes or 1% rise. So it would have to benefit the many rather than the few
Ok. Let’s try to get it back on track. I’m going to stick my neck out.
I’m not concerned at MPs pay rises at the moment. In the scheme of things it’s not huge. However I do think £160k to run the country is crap.
However, I do think there should be some minimum level of ability for them. At the moment if you’re in somewhere like Tunbridge Wells, a donkey wearing a blue rose would win. Similarly a baboon in Barnsley would win for labour. That can’t be a good way to select our leaders.
Oh plus their benefits. "I agree the benefits are far to much without oversight. I think what I’m saying is i have no problem paying MPs wages that stand up well to other high powered positions. That way we might attract the best. Unfortunately that doesn’t happen and more often than not we just get mediocre middle managers. | |||
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"Councils seem to be paying all staff as normal , even those on 80 % are having the 20 % made up by the employer " Most local gmnt/civil service are still working | |||
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"Reduce military spending" I think this is a great idea. Lets face it, apart from defending our country and allies what else are they doing at the moment? Who cares about the anti drug smuggling work, the support to the fire service, building 11 hospital units(so far), driving fuel lorries, supplying PPE, providing assistance in planning and logistics to regional government, backing up the coastguard, driving ambulances for the NHS, providing much needed surge capacity in medical professions, supporting the Ministry of Justice in prisons, carrying out covid testing, supplying personnel to assist with air traffic control, manning mountain rescue teams, providing mortuary facilities, policing support, providing air ambulances to the NHS, driving oxygen lorries direct to hospital facilities, decontamination of buildings and vehicles, instructing care and NHS staff in the use of PPE, staffing the NHS supply centres, and all the other stuff they are doing in the background. Who cares eh? Let's reduce military spending. | |||
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"Reduce military spending I think this is a great idea. Lets face it, apart from defending our country and allies what else are they doing at the moment? Who cares about the anti drug smuggling work, the support to the fire service, building 11 hospital units(so far), driving fuel lorries, supplying PPE, providing assistance in planning and logistics to regional government, backing up the coastguard, driving ambulances for the NHS, providing much needed surge capacity in medical professions, supporting the Ministry of Justice in prisons, carrying out covid testing, supplying personnel to assist with air traffic control, manning mountain rescue teams, providing mortuary facilities, policing support, providing air ambulances to the NHS, driving oxygen lorries direct to hospital facilities, decontamination of buildings and vehicles, instructing care and NHS staff in the use of PPE, staffing the NHS supply centres, and all the other stuff they are doing in the background. Who cares eh? Let's reduce military spending." He may have meant the likes of trident,? | |||
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"Reduce military spending I think this is a great idea. Lets face it, apart from defending our country and allies what else are they doing at the moment? Who cares about the anti drug smuggling work, the support to the fire service, building 11 hospital units(so far), driving fuel lorries, supplying PPE, providing assistance in planning and logistics to regional government, backing up the coastguard, driving ambulances for the NHS, providing much needed surge capacity in medical professions, supporting the Ministry of Justice in prisons, carrying out covid testing, supplying personnel to assist with air traffic control, manning mountain rescue teams, providing mortuary facilities, policing support, providing air ambulances to the NHS, driving oxygen lorries direct to hospital facilities, decontamination of buildings and vehicles, instructing care and NHS staff in the use of PPE, staffing the NHS supply centres, and all the other stuff they are doing in the background. Who cares eh? Let's reduce military spending." Don’t forget you’ve also gotta pay the generals less as they aren’t hard working! . Cos I’m sure all those squaddies running around have no leadership or direction from those generals, or those Generals haven’t instigated practices that might actually make the squaddies working lives better and more productive..... nope let’s just let them run around aimlessly doing something and working really hard at it.... see what I did there.... Power to the people | |||
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" Put quite simply, no Council manager is worth over £100K no matter what job they do." Really? Council budgets have bèen slashed by 40% and the demands placed upon them have been raised year on year. What sort of service do you think citizens are going to get if the people that are trying to balance the books aren't paid a decent wage that is still lower than those in the public sector? One way has been to make redundancies bit that just leaves 2 people doing the job of 5. Getting all shouty about it doesn't make your opinion fact. | |||
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"Reduce military spending I think this is a great idea. Lets face it, apart from defending our country and allies what else are they doing at the moment? Who cares about the anti drug smuggling work, the support to the fire service, building 11 hospital units(so far), driving fuel lorries, supplying PPE, providing assistance in planning and logistics to regional government, backing up the coastguard, driving ambulances for the NHS, providing much needed surge capacity in medical professions, supporting the Ministry of Justice in prisons, carrying out covid testing, supplying personnel to assist with air traffic control, manning mountain rescue teams, providing mortuary facilities, policing support, providing air ambulances to the NHS, driving oxygen lorries direct to hospital facilities, decontamination of buildings and vehicles, instructing care and NHS staff in the use of PPE, staffing the NHS supply centres, and all the other stuff they are doing in the background. Who cares eh? Let's reduce military spending. Don’t forget you’ve also gotta pay the generals less as they aren’t hard working! . Cos I’m sure all those squaddies running around have no leadership or direction from those generals, or those Generals haven’t instigated practices that might actually make the squaddies working lives better and more productive..... nope let’s just let them run around aimlessly doing something and working really hard at it.... see what I did there.... Power to the people "Easy tiger!!! As an ex squaddie, slagging off useless,lazy, officers was our main sport! Bloody hell. We would have had bugger all to talk about most of the time! | |||
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"Reduce military spending I think this is a great idea. Lets face it, apart from defending our country and allies what else are they doing at the moment? Who cares about the anti drug smuggling work, the support to the fire service, building 11 hospital units(so far), driving fuel lorries, supplying PPE, providing assistance in planning and logistics to regional government, backing up the coastguard, driving ambulances for the NHS, providing much needed surge capacity in medical professions, supporting the Ministry of Justice in prisons, carrying out covid testing, supplying personnel to assist with air traffic control, manning mountain rescue teams, providing mortuary facilities, policing support, providing air ambulances to the NHS, driving oxygen lorries direct to hospital facilities, decontamination of buildings and vehicles, instructing care and NHS staff in the use of PPE, staffing the NHS supply centres, and all the other stuff they are doing in the background. Who cares eh? Let's reduce military spending. Don’t forget you’ve also gotta pay the generals less as they aren’t hard working! . Cos I’m sure all those squaddies running around have no leadership or direction from those generals, or those Generals haven’t instigated practices that might actually make the squaddies working lives better and more productive..... nope let’s just let them run around aimlessly doing something and working really hard at it.... see what I did there.... Power to the people
Easy tiger!!! As an ex squaddie, slagging off useless,lazy, officers was our main sport! Bloody hell. We would have had bugger all to talk about most of the time!
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"Raise minimum wage to £11ph and commit to annual rises in line with RPI Raise ALL public sector workers pay by 8% Increase corporation tax Reduce military spending Introduce a scheme of beneficial business rates where companies tie salary of the top earning person to max 9x the lowest paid worker" Although I agree with this. Prices would just adjust as people.would have more spending power. Cooperation Tax is 20% already on profits. Not taking into account all the other costs especially to small business which comes the terriorty. | |||
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"I have the best idea - raise all public sector wages in line with MPs wages
This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have..
All in it together eh..
I cannot see MPs accepting pay freezes or 1% rise. So it would have to benefit the many rather than the few
Ok. Let’s try to get it back on track. I’m going to stick my neck out.
I’m not concerned at MPs pay rises at the moment. In the scheme of things it’s not huge. However I do think £160k to run the country is crap.
However, I do think there should be some minimum level of ability for them. At the moment if you’re in somewhere like Tunbridge Wells, a donkey wearing a blue rose would win. Similarly a baboon in Barnsley would win for labour. That can’t be a good way to select our leaders.
Off topic, as the post was about Council managers getting a cut to fund lower paid workers. It won't happen though for sure as the hard working man never greatly prospers when just using his hands and skills. Plumbers earning £100K as mentioned are very few and far between and are probably only the owners of Plumbing companies, while the operatives earn a lot less."A quick google search shows our council has around 1700 employees. So if there was one guy running it on, let's say, £150,000.....halving his salary and splitting it equally between them all would give them £44 each extra a year. Actually - less. Because I didn't account for any deductions from his salary. You can't do something as simple as drop a tiny number of people's salaries to magically boost the significantly larger majority of lower paid workers. The maths will never add up. Why not have a go at footballers and say they should be dropping their grotesque salaries to pay the ground staff? Or actors doing the same for cameramen? Why not pay military top brass the same as squaddies? Why not a universal wage for all - whether a toilet cleaner or nuclear physicist? Simple answer. Because it wouldn't work. A | |||
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"I have the best idea - raise all public sector wages in line with MPs wages
This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have..
All in it together eh..
I cannot see MPs accepting pay freezes or 1% rise. So it would have to benefit the many rather than the few
Ok. Let’s try to get it back on track. I’m going to stick my neck out.
I’m not concerned at MPs pay rises at the moment. In the scheme of things it’s not huge. However I do think £160k to run the country is crap.
However, I do think there should be some minimum level of ability for them. At the moment if you’re in somewhere like Tunbridge Wells, a donkey wearing a blue rose would win. Similarly a baboon in Barnsley would win for labour. That can’t be a good way to select our leaders.
Off topic, as the post was about Council managers getting a cut to fund lower paid workers. It won't happen though for sure as the hard working man never greatly prospers when just using his hands and skills. Plumbers earning £100K as mentioned are very few and far between and are probably only the owners of Plumbing companies, while the operatives earn a lot less.
A quick google search shows our council has around 1700 employees.
So if there was one guy running it on, let's say, £150,000.....halving his salary and splitting it equally between them all would give them £44 each extra a year.
Actually - less. Because I didn't account for any deductions from his salary.
You can't do something as simple as drop a tiny number of people's salaries to magically boost the significantly larger majority of lower paid workers. The maths will never add up.
Why not have a go at footballers and say they should be dropping their grotesque salaries to pay the ground staff? Or actors doing the same for cameramen? Why not pay military top brass the same as squaddies?
Why not a universal wage for all - whether a toilet cleaner or nuclear physicist?
Simple answer. Because it wouldn't work.
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"I have the best idea - raise all public sector wages in line with MPs wages
This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have..
All in it together eh..
Hahahahahahahahahahahahhahah You're joking. Police, a pay rise hahahaha. I am about to faint at the stupidity and insult of that."Care to elaborate? Btw if you do faint it may be that a passing police officer will be there to attend to you.. | |||
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"I have the best idea - raise all public sector wages in line with MPs wages
This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have..
All in it together eh..
I cannot see MPs accepting pay freezes or 1% rise. So it would have to benefit the many rather than the few
Ok. Let’s try to get it back on track. I’m going to stick my neck out.
I’m not concerned at MPs pay rises at the moment. In the scheme of things it’s not huge. However I do think £160k to run the country is crap.
However, I do think there should be some minimum level of ability for them. At the moment if you’re in somewhere like Tunbridge Wells, a donkey wearing a blue rose would win. Similarly a baboon in Barnsley would win for labour. That can’t be a good way to select our leaders.
Off topic, as the post was about Council managers getting a cut to fund lower paid workers. It won't happen though for sure as the hard working man never greatly prospers when just using his hands and skills. Plumbers earning £100K as mentioned are very few and far between and are probably only the owners of Plumbing companies, while the operatives earn a lot less.
A quick google search shows our council has around 1700 employees.
So if there was one guy running it on, let's say, £150,000.....halving his salary and splitting it equally between them all would give them £44 each extra a year.
Actually - less. Because I didn't account for any deductions from his salary.
You can't do something as simple as drop a tiny number of people's salaries to magically boost the significantly larger majority of lower paid workers. The maths will never add up.
Why not have a go at footballers and say they should be dropping their grotesque salaries to pay the ground staff? Or actors doing the same for cameramen? Why not pay military top brass the same as squaddies?
Why not a universal wage for all - whether a toilet cleaner or nuclear physicist?
Simple answer. Because it wouldn't work.
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"I have the best idea - raise all public sector wages in line with MPs wages
This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have..
All in it together eh..
I cannot see MPs accepting pay freezes or 1% rise. So it would have to benefit the many rather than the few
Ok. Let’s try to get it back on track. I’m going to stick my neck out.
I’m not concerned at MPs pay rises at the moment. In the scheme of things it’s not huge. However I do think £160k to run the country is crap.
However, I do think there should be some minimum level of ability for them. At the moment if you’re in somewhere like Tunbridge Wells, a donkey wearing a blue rose would win. Similarly a baboon in Barnsley would win for labour. That can’t be a good way to select our leaders.
Off topic, as the post was about Council managers getting a cut to fund lower paid workers. It won't happen though for sure as the hard working man never greatly prospers when just using his hands and skills. Plumbers earning £100K as mentioned are very few and far between and are probably only the owners of Plumbing companies, while the operatives earn a lot less.
A quick google search shows our council has around 1700 employees.
So if there was one guy running it on, let's say, £150,000.....halving his salary and splitting it equally between them all would give them £44 each extra a year.
Actually - less. Because I didn't account for any deductions from his salary.
You can't do something as simple as drop a tiny number of people's salaries to magically boost the significantly larger majority of lower paid workers. The maths will never add up.
Why not have a go at footballers and say they should be dropping their grotesque salaries to pay the ground staff? Or actors doing the same for cameramen? Why not pay military top brass the same as squaddies?
Why not a universal wage for all - whether a toilet cleaner or nuclear physicist?
Simple answer. Because it wouldn't work.
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"Before normality begins (aside from the NHS): Pay rises should be for: Carers. Bin collection operatives. Pay cuts should be for: Council management, especially those that earn over £100K (for doing WHAT?). I understand some are on 6x the PM salary. What are your thoughts, would you cry and be upset if Council managers took a pay cut? Would you say "here here" if carers received a pay rise and bin workers at least received a bonus?
Just another unquantified, uneducated rant. Your spouting Facebook fodder.... no substance to what your actually saying and can’t be discussed sensibly as it’s just you angrily barking at the moon.
Let me guess you work for the Council in management and are trying to climb the ladder (couldn't give a damn about the real workers of the country). It's a good job we are not within 6foot right at the moment lad. Your response sounds like a typical FAB troll response.....Get a life and be friendly or have you forgotten that? "When did "troll" become synonymous with " difference of opinion?"  | |||
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"Councils seem to be paying all staff as normal , even those on 80 % are having the 20 % made up by the employer " Generally speaking council employees are not eligible for the furlough scheme. | |||
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"I can't understand why the chief operating officer (whatever that is) of my local council is on over £370,000 Your profile says you're in Southport. Chief exec of Sefton, which I thik covers Southport, in their last senior officer's pay report, got paid £140k - £145k. So where did you get your numbers from? I didn't say chief exec, it's actually the head of highways and public protection the actual pay package is £372,840 my information is via the taxpayers alliance who made a freedom information request. As a previous poster has mentioned the prime minister is paid £160,000 I can't believe this council tosser is worth over £370,00" Oh sweetheart, you weren't so gullible as to fall for a Taxpayers Alliance press release were you? Poor you.... Here's what the Tax Dodgers Alliance say about their methodology 'Remuneration was defined as including, but not being limited to: salary, fees, allowances, bonuses, benefits in kind, compensation for loss of office and employers’ pension contributions.' To put it another way, every years they pad out their exercise in pointless FoI requests by including people who've received redundancy payments or compensation for loss of office - like the local authorty chief exec round here who was 'released' because the new Tory Leader of the council didn't like him, and gave him £250k to go away and not blow the whistle on theoir methods. Every year those redundancy and comproimise agreement totals give the TDA something to get excited about, and are used to inspire the less well informed, or more gullible, to get excited about council officers pay. If the Trade Descriptions Act applied to shonky political groups who never disclose who funds them the Tax Dodgers Alliance would have been shut down years ago. | |||
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"I can't understand why the chief operating officer (whatever that is) of my local council is on over £370,000 Your profile says you're in Southport. Chief exec of Sefton, which I thik covers Southport, in their last senior officer's pay report, got paid £140k - £145k. So where did you get your numbers from? I didn't say chief exec, it's actually the head of highways and public protection the actual pay package is £372,840 my information is via the taxpayers alliance who made a freedom information request. As a previous poster has mentioned the prime minister is paid £160,000 I can't believe this council tosser is worth over £370,00Oh sweetheart, you weren't so gullible as to fall for a Taxpayers Alliance press release were you? Poor you.... Here's what the Tax Dodgers Alliance say about their methodology 'Remuneration was defined as including, but not being limited to: salary, fees, allowances, bonuses, benefits in kind, compensation for loss of office and employers’ pension contributions.' To put it another way, every years they pad out their exercise in pointless FoI requests by including people who've received redundancy payments or compensation for loss of office - like the local authorty chief exec round here who was 'released' because the new Tory Leader of the council didn't like him, and gave him £250k to go away and not blow the whistle on theoir methods. Every year those redundancy and comproimise agreement totals give the TDA something to get excited about, and are used to inspire the less well informed, or more gullible, to get excited about council officers pay. If the Trade Descriptions Act applied to shonky political groups who never disclose who funds them the Tax Dodgers Alliance would have been shut down years ago." so it's not true then? Fact is this guys total package equates to £370,00 plus, even £150,000 for a council chief exec is excessive you can't believe he has more responsibility than the pm | |||
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"I have the best idea - raise all public sector wages in line with MPs wages
This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have..
All in it together eh..
I cannot see MPs accepting pay freezes or 1% rise. So it would have to benefit the many rather than the few
Ok. Let’s try to get it back on track. I’m going to stick my neck out.
I’m not concerned at MPs pay rises at the moment. In the scheme of things it’s not huge. However I do think £160k to run the country is crap.
However, I do think there should be some minimum level of ability for them. At the moment if you’re in somewhere like Tunbridge Wells, a donkey wearing a blue rose would win. Similarly a baboon in Barnsley would win for labour. That can’t be a good way to select our leaders.
Off topic, as the post was about Council managers getting a cut to fund lower paid workers. It won't happen though for sure as the hard working man never greatly prospers when just using his hands and skills. Plumbers earning £100K as mentioned are very few and far between and are probably only the owners of Plumbing companies, while the operatives earn a lot less.
A quick google search shows our council has around 1700 employees.
So if there was one guy running it on, let's say, £150,000.....halving his salary and splitting it equally between them all would give them £44 each extra a year.
Actually - less. Because I didn't account for any deductions from his salary.
You can't do something as simple as drop a tiny number of people's salaries to magically boost the significantly larger majority of lower paid workers. The maths will never add up.
Why not have a go at footballers and say they should be dropping their grotesque salaries to pay the ground staff? Or actors doing the same for cameramen? Why not pay military top brass the same as squaddies?
Why not a universal wage for all - whether a toilet cleaner or nuclear physicist?
Simple answer. Because it wouldn't work.
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"I can't understand why the chief operating officer (whatever that is) of my local council is on over £370,000 Your profile says you're in Southport. Chief exec of Sefton, which I thik covers Southport, in their last senior officer's pay report, got paid £140k - £145k. So where did you get your numbers from? I didn't say chief exec, it's actually the head of highways and public protection the actual pay package is £372,840 my information is via the taxpayers alliance who made a freedom information request. As a previous poster has mentioned the prime minister is paid £160,000 I can't believe this council tosser is worth over £370,00Oh sweetheart, you weren't so gullible as to fall for a Taxpayers Alliance press release were you? Poor you.... Here's what the Tax Dodgers Alliance say about their methodology 'Remuneration was defined as including, but not being limited to: salary, fees, allowances, bonuses, benefits in kind, compensation for loss of office and employers’ pension contributions.' To put it another way, every years they pad out their exercise in pointless FoI requests by including people who've received redundancy payments or compensation for loss of office - like the local authorty chief exec round here who was 'released' because the new Tory Leader of the council didn't like him, and gave him £250k to go away and not blow the whistle on theoir methods. Every year those redundancy and comproimise agreement totals give the TDA something to get excited about, and are used to inspire the less well informed, or more gullible, to get excited about council officers pay. If the Trade Descriptions Act applied to shonky political groups who never disclose who funds them the Tax Dodgers Alliance would have been shut down years ago. so it's not true then? Fact is this guys total package equates to £370,00 plus, even £150,000 for a council chief exec is excessive you can't believe he has more responsibility than the pm" I explan why the figure is bullshit, you move the goalposts... Do I think £150k is too much for a chief exec? Not in the real world, no. Given how little job security they have the role is bound to require a premium to attract good candidates. | |||
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"I can't understand why the chief operating officer (whatever that is) of my local council is on over £370,000 Your profile says you're in Southport. Chief exec of Sefton, which I thik covers Southport, in their last senior officer's pay report, got paid £140k - £145k. So where did you get your numbers from? I didn't say chief exec, it's actually the head of highways and public protection the actual pay package is £372,840 my information is via the taxpayers alliance who made a freedom information request. As a previous poster has mentioned the prime minister is paid £160,000 I can't believe this council tosser is worth over £370,00Oh sweetheart, you weren't so gullible as to fall for a Taxpayers Alliance press release were you? Poor you.... Here's what the Tax Dodgers Alliance say about their methodology 'Remuneration was defined as including, but not being limited to: salary, fees, allowances, bonuses, benefits in kind, compensation for loss of office and employers’ pension contributions.' To put it another way, every years they pad out their exercise in pointless FoI requests by including people who've received redundancy payments or compensation for loss of office - like the local authorty chief exec round here who was 'released' because the new Tory Leader of the council didn't like him, and gave him £250k to go away and not blow the whistle on theoir methods. Every year those redundancy and comproimise agreement totals give the TDA something to get excited about, and are used to inspire the less well informed, or more gullible, to get excited about council officers pay. If the Trade Descriptions Act applied to shonky political groups who never disclose who funds them the Tax Dodgers Alliance would have been shut down years ago. so it's not true then? Fact is this guys total package equates to £370,00 plus, even £150,000 for a council chief exec is excessive you can't believe he has more responsibility than the pmI explan why the figure is bullshit, you move the goalposts... Do I think £150k is too much for a chief exec? Not in the real world, no. Given how little job security they have the role is bound to require a premium to attract good candidates." And that's just it Sefton council are paying a premium and we the residents get a very poor deal in return, I don't think anybody in the private sector has job security if you fail to perform your history, running county council isn't as demanding a job as pm and the pm doesn't have job security either, I'm guessing you work in the public sector which explains your position, I run a business and I expect and get value for money | |||
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"I can't understand why the chief operating officer (whatever that is) of my local council is on over £370,000 Your profile says you're in Southport. Chief exec of Sefton, which I thik covers Southport, in their last senior officer's pay report, got paid £140k - £145k. So where did you get your numbers from? I didn't say chief exec, it's actually the head of highways and public protection the actual pay package is £372,840 my information is via the taxpayers alliance who made a freedom information request. As a previous poster has mentioned the prime minister is paid £160,000 I can't believe this council tosser is worth over £370,00Oh sweetheart, you weren't so gullible as to fall for a Taxpayers Alliance press release were you? Poor you.... Here's what the Tax Dodgers Alliance say about their methodology 'Remuneration was defined as including, but not being limited to: salary, fees, allowances, bonuses, benefits in kind, compensation for loss of office and employers’ pension contributions.' To put it another way, every years they pad out their exercise in pointless FoI requests by including people who've received redundancy payments or compensation for loss of office - like the local authorty chief exec round here who was 'released' because the new Tory Leader of the council didn't like him, and gave him £250k to go away and not blow the whistle on theoir methods. Every year those redundancy and comproimise agreement totals give the TDA something to get excited about, and are used to inspire the less well informed, or more gullible, to get excited about council officers pay. If the Trade Descriptions Act applied to shonky political groups who never disclose who funds them the Tax Dodgers Alliance would have been shut down years ago. so it's not true then? Fact is this guys total package equates to £370,00 plus, even £150,000 for a council chief exec is excessive you can't believe he has more responsibility than the pmI explan why the figure is bullshit, you move the goalposts... Do I think £150k is too much for a chief exec? Not in the real world, no. Given how little job security they have the role is bound to require a premium to attract good candidates.And that's just it Sefton council are paying a premium and we the residents get a very poor deal in return, I don't think anybody in the private sector has job security if you fail to perform your history, running county council isn't as demanding a job as pm and the pm doesn't have job security either, I'm guessing you work in the public sector which explains your position, I run a business and I expect and get value for money " Are you saying if you work in the public sector you have total job security? | |||
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"80000 council jobs axed in the last 10 years." 8 year pay freeze in the public sector | |||
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"I have the best idea - raise all public sector wages in line with MPs wages
This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have..
All in it together eh..
I cannot see MPs accepting pay freezes or 1% rise. So it would have to benefit the many rather than the few "MPs pay rises are decided independently. They dont get to set their own rises or freezes. | |||
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"I can't understand why the chief operating officer (whatever that is) of my local council is on over £370,000 Your profile says you're in Southport. Chief exec of Sefton, which I thik covers Southport, in their last senior officer's pay report, got paid £140k - £145k. So where did you get your numbers from? I didn't say chief exec, it's actually the head of highways and public protection the actual pay package is £372,840 my information is via the taxpayers alliance who made a freedom information request. As a previous poster has mentioned the prime minister is paid £160,000 I can't believe this council tosser is worth over £370,00Oh sweetheart, you weren't so gullible as to fall for a Taxpayers Alliance press release were you? Poor you.... Here's what the Tax Dodgers Alliance say about their methodology 'Remuneration was defined as including, but not being limited to: salary, fees, allowances, bonuses, benefits in kind, compensation for loss of office and employers’ pension contributions.' To put it another way, every years they pad out their exercise in pointless FoI requests by including people who've received redundancy payments or compensation for loss of office - like the local authorty chief exec round here who was 'released' because the new Tory Leader of the council didn't like him, and gave him £250k to go away and not blow the whistle on theoir methods. Every year those redundancy and comproimise agreement totals give the TDA something to get excited about, and are used to inspire the less well informed, or more gullible, to get excited about council officers pay. If the Trade Descriptions Act applied to shonky political groups who never disclose who funds them the Tax Dodgers Alliance would have been shut down years ago. so it's not true then? Fact is this guys total package equates to £370,00 plus, even £150,000 for a council chief exec is excessive you can't believe he has more responsibility than the pmI explan why the figure is bullshit, you move the goalposts... Do I think £150k is too much for a chief exec? Not in the real world, no. Given how little job security they have the role is bound to require a premium to attract good candidates.And that's just it Sefton council are paying a premium and we the residents get a very poor deal in return, I don't think anybody in the private sector has job security if you fail to perform your history, running county council isn't as demanding a job as pm and the pm doesn't have job security either, I'm guessing you work in the public sector which explains your position, I run a business and I expect and get value for money Are you saying if you work in the public sector you have total job security? " nobody has total job security which is what I said in my post, if an employee fails to perform whether public or private sector they should be held to account and if necessary fired not moved sideways as often happens in the public sector | |||
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"80000 council jobs axed in the last 10 years. 8 year pay freeze in the public sector" Yep. And the pensions aren't as great as some people say they are either because those changed as well a few years ago. | |||
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"80000 council jobs axed in the last 10 years." probably, the previous labour government went overboard on public sector recruitment to create a dependant electorate, you can't spend what you don't have | |||
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"80000 council jobs axed in the last 10 years.probably, the previous labour government went overboard on public sector recruitment to create a dependant electorate, you can't spend what you don't have" Well they didnt really. I think public sector workers arguing with private sector workers over crumbs is stupid when you have those at the top sailing around the world on yachts. | |||
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"I can't understand why the chief operating officer (whatever that is) of my local council is on over £370,000 Your profile says you're in Southport. Chief exec of Sefton, which I thik covers Southport, in their last senior officer's pay report, got paid £140k - £145k. So where did you get your numbers from? I didn't say chief exec, it's actually the head of highways and public protection the actual pay package is £372,840 my information is via the taxpayers alliance who made a freedom information request. As a previous poster has mentioned the prime minister is paid £160,000 I can't believe this council tosser is worth over £370,00Oh sweetheart, you weren't so gullible as to fall for a Taxpayers Alliance press release were you? Poor you.... Here's what the Tax Dodgers Alliance say about their methodology 'Remuneration was defined as including, but not being limited to: salary, fees, allowances, bonuses, benefits in kind, compensation for loss of office and employers’ pension contributions.' To put it another way, every years they pad out their exercise in pointless FoI requests by including people who've received redundancy payments or compensation for loss of office - like the local authorty chief exec round here who was 'released' because the new Tory Leader of the council didn't like him, and gave him £250k to go away and not blow the whistle on theoir methods. Every year those redundancy and comproimise agreement totals give the TDA something to get excited about, and are used to inspire the less well informed, or more gullible, to get excited about council officers pay. If the Trade Descriptions Act applied to shonky political groups who never disclose who funds them the Tax Dodgers Alliance would have been shut down years ago. so it's not true then? Fact is this guys total package equates to £370,00 plus, even £150,000 for a council chief exec is excessive you can't believe he has more responsibility than the pmI explan why the figure is bullshit, you move the goalposts... Do I think £150k is too much for a chief exec? Not in the real world, no. Given how little job security they have the role is bound to require a premium to attract good candidates.And that's just it Sefton council are paying a premium and we the residents get a very poor deal in return, I don't think anybody in the private sector has job security if you fail to perform your history, running county council isn't as demanding a job as pm and the pm doesn't have job security either, I'm guessing you work in the public sector which explains your position, I run a business and I expect and get value for money " Let me help you out here because you're floundering. Politicians are allowed to have outside earnings before they go into the cabinet, and they're allowed to sell their 'expertise' when they're finished. That's how come Tony Blair can afford that house in West London and a small property empire. Council chief execs don't have the same privileges or the same opportunities. This entire thread has been shot through with you making guesses about what people do for a living so you can cast aspersions on their motives or their thinking. If I suggested that the reason why you're in the private sector is because your grammar is poor and your reasoning suspect such that you'd never make the grade as a chief oficer you'd be offended, but it's no diferent to your snide insinuations. Let me help you out though in a bid to keep this thread on track. All local government pay, from bottom to top, is based on a system of job evaluation and benchmarking - the system for chief officers was designed by a private sector HR firm based on a comparison with private sector wages (the so called Hay scales). A few times in this thread you've verged on being downright rude, but mainly what's evident is you don't know very much about local government. Chief Officers have restrictions on them that don't exist in the private sector - the rules on taking jobs after leaving a council, or requiring redundancy to be repaid if they get another job too soon are onerous, unfair and perverse, but hey ho, people like you think it's justified because you 'think' you don't have a good council. | |||
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"I can't understand why the chief operating officer (whatever that is) of my local council is on over £370,000 Your profile says you're in Southport. Chief exec of Sefton, which I thik covers Southport, in their last senior officer's pay report, got paid £140k - £145k. So where did you get your numbers from? I didn't say chief exec, it's actually the head of highways and public protection the actual pay package is £372,840 my information is via the taxpayers alliance who made a freedom information request. As a previous poster has mentioned the prime minister is paid £160,000 I can't believe this council tosser is worth over £370,00Oh sweetheart, you weren't so gullible as to fall for a Taxpayers Alliance press release were you? Poor you.... Here's what the Tax Dodgers Alliance say about their methodology 'Remuneration was defined as including, but not being limited to: salary, fees, allowances, bonuses, benefits in kind, compensation for loss of office and employers’ pension contributions.' To put it another way, every years they pad out their exercise in pointless FoI requests by including people who've received redundancy payments or compensation for loss of office - like the local authorty chief exec round here who was 'released' because the new Tory Leader of the council didn't like him, and gave him £250k to go away and not blow the whistle on theoir methods. Every year those redundancy and comproimise agreement totals give the TDA something to get excited about, and are used to inspire the less well informed, or more gullible, to get excited about council officers pay. If the Trade Descriptions Act applied to shonky political groups who never disclose who funds them the Tax Dodgers Alliance would have been shut down years ago. so it's not true then? Fact is this guys total package equates to £370,00 plus, even £150,000 for a council chief exec is excessive you can't believe he has more responsibility than the pmI explan why the figure is bullshit, you move the goalposts... Do I think £150k is too much for a chief exec? Not in the real world, no. Given how little job security they have the role is bound to require a premium to attract good candidates.And that's just it Sefton council are paying a premium and we the residents get a very poor deal in return, I don't think anybody in the private sector has job security if you fail to perform your history, running county council isn't as demanding a job as pm and the pm doesn't have job security either, I'm guessing you work in the public sector which explains your position, I run a business and I expect and get value for money Let me help you out here because you're floundering. Politicians are allowed to have outside earnings before they go into the cabinet, and they're allowed to sell their 'expertise' when they're finished. That's how come Tony Blair can afford that house in West London and a small property empire. Council chief execs don't have the same privileges or the same opportunities. This entire thread has been shot through with you making guesses about what people do for a living so you can cast aspersions on their motives or their thinking. If I suggested that the reason why you're in the private sector is because your grammar is poor and your reasoning suspect such that you'd never make the grade as a chief oficer you'd be offended, but it's no diferent to your snide insinuations. Let me help you out though in a bid to keep this thread on track. All local government pay, from bottom to top, is based on a system of job evaluation and benchmarking - the system for chief officers was designed by a private sector HR firm based on a comparison with private sector wages (the so called Hay scales). A few times in this thread you've verged on being downright rude, but mainly what's evident is you don't know very much about local government. Chief Officers have restrictions on them that don't exist in the private sector - the rules on taking jobs after leaving a council, or requiring redundancy to be repaid if they get another job too soon are onerous, unfair and perverse, but hey ho, people like you think it's justified because you 'think' you don't have a good council." very touchy arnt you? You have your position I have mine | |||
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"80000 council jobs axed in the last 10 years.probably, the previous labour government went overboard on public sector recruitment to create a dependant electorate, you can't spend what you don't have" Nope. It's because central government have slashed budgets by 40% and made councils responsible for other stuff that they weren't responsible for before. As you quite rightly say, you can only spend what you've got so the only place to make a saving when you're cut to basics is headcount. | |||
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"If its assumed the the top Public Sector job in the UK is the Prime Minister then that should be the benchmark for the maximum Public Sector pay per year. The often touted "you have to pay to get the best talent" is a red herring because the job pool for that talent is not infinite, its finite, there are only so many jobs to fill at the top and there is more so called "talent" around than jobs. Once the benchmark is set then the jobs are filled and the available talent left then have to scramble to fill whats available in the private sector." If you assume the top public sector job is that of Prime Minister you clearly don't understand the difference between the role politicians play, and the role local government officers or civil servants play. Being a politician isn't a job. I blame the education system. | |||
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"I can't understand why the chief operating officer (whatever that is) of my local council is on over £370,000 Your profile says you're in Southport. Chief exec of Sefton, which I thik covers Southport, in their last senior officer's pay report, got paid £140k - £145k. So where did you get your numbers from? I didn't say chief exec, it's actually the head of highways and public protection the actual pay package is £372,840 my information is via the taxpayers alliance who made a freedom information request. As a previous poster has mentioned the prime minister is paid £160,000 I can't believe this council tosser is worth over £370,00Oh sweetheart, you weren't so gullible as to fall for a Taxpayers Alliance press release were you? Poor you.... Here's what the Tax Dodgers Alliance say about their methodology 'Remuneration was defined as including, but not being limited to: salary, fees, allowances, bonuses, benefits in kind, compensation for loss of office and employers’ pension contributions.' To put it another way, every years they pad out their exercise in pointless FoI requests by including people who've received redundancy payments or compensation for loss of office - like the local authorty chief exec round here who was 'released' because the new Tory Leader of the council didn't like him, and gave him £250k to go away and not blow the whistle on theoir methods. Every year those redundancy and comproimise agreement totals give the TDA something to get excited about, and are used to inspire the less well informed, or more gullible, to get excited about council officers pay. If the Trade Descriptions Act applied to shonky political groups who never disclose who funds them the Tax Dodgers Alliance would have been shut down years ago. so it's not true then? Fact is this guys total package equates to £370,00 plus, even £150,000 for a council chief exec is excessive you can't believe he has more responsibility than the pmI explan why the figure is bullshit, you move the goalposts... Do I think £150k is too much for a chief exec? Not in the real world, no. Given how little job security they have the role is bound to require a premium to attract good candidates.And that's just it Sefton council are paying a premium and we the residents get a very poor deal in return, I don't think anybody in the private sector has job security if you fail to perform your history, running county council isn't as demanding a job as pm and the pm doesn't have job security either, I'm guessing you work in the public sector which explains your position, I run a business and I expect and get value for money Let me help you out here because you're floundering. Politicians are allowed to have outside earnings before they go into the cabinet, and they're allowed to sell their 'expertise' when they're finished. That's how come Tony Blair can afford that house in West London and a small property empire. Council chief execs don't have the same privileges or the same opportunities. This entire thread has been shot through with you making guesses about what people do for a living so you can cast aspersions on their motives or their thinking. If I suggested that the reason why you're in the private sector is because your grammar is poor and your reasoning suspect such that you'd never make the grade as a chief oficer you'd be offended, but it's no diferent to your snide insinuations. Let me help you out though in a bid to keep this thread on track. All local government pay, from bottom to top, is based on a system of job evaluation and benchmarking - the system for chief officers was designed by a private sector HR firm based on a comparison with private sector wages (the so called Hay scales). A few times in this thread you've verged on being downright rude, but mainly what's evident is you don't know very much about local government. Chief Officers have restrictions on them that don't exist in the private sector - the rules on taking jobs after leaving a council, or requiring redundancy to be repaid if they get another job too soon are onerous, unfair and perverse, but hey ho, people like you think it's justified because you 'think' you don't have a good council. very touchy arnt you? You have your position I have mine" I bring evidence you bring prejudice. | |||
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" Being a politician isn't a job. " The Prime Minister is paid for what then? | |||
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"If its assumed the the top Public Sector job in the UK is the Prime Minister then that should be the benchmark for the maximum Public Sector pay per year. The often touted "you have to pay to get the best talent" is a red herring because the job pool for that talent is not infinite, its finite, there are only so many jobs to fill at the top and there is more so called "talent" around than jobs. Once the benchmark is set then the jobs are filled and the available talent left then have to scramble to fill whats available in the private sector." Should there be limits on private sector jobs too? | |||
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" Being a politician isn't a job. The Prime Minister is paid for what then?" Good question, but if you think they've got a job try finding their employment contract. Actualy, I'm being flippant. There was a cracking debate a few years ago in the PAC where Dave Hartnett from HMRC confirmed the long held view that MPs are office holders, not employees - the office they hold persists while office holders come and go. An office is not a job. | |||
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" Being a politician isn't a job. The Prime Minister is paid for what then?Good question, but if you think they've got a job try finding their employment contract. Actualy, I'm being flippant. There was a cracking debate a few years ago in the PAC where Dave Hartnett from HMRC confirmed the long held view that MPs are office holders, not employees - the office they hold persists while office holders come and go. An office is not a job. " "Actually". If you're going to pull some up over grammar/spelling/punctuation, you should monitor your own posts. | |||
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"I can't understand why the chief operating officer (whatever that is) of my local council is on over £370,000 Your profile says you're in Southport. Chief exec of Sefton, which I thik covers Southport, in their last senior officer's pay report, got paid £140k - £145k. So where did you get your numbers from? I didn't say chief exec, it's actually the head of highways and public protection the actual pay package is £372,840 my information is via the taxpayers alliance who made a freedom information request. As a previous poster has mentioned the prime minister is paid £160,000 I can't believe this council tosser is worth over £370,00Oh sweetheart, you weren't so gullible as to fall for a Taxpayers Alliance press release were you? Poor you.... Here's what the Tax Dodgers Alliance say about their methodology 'Remuneration was defined as including, but not being limited to: salary, fees, allowances, bonuses, benefits in kind, compensation for loss of office and employers’ pension contributions.' To put it another way, every years they pad out their exercise in pointless FoI requests by including people who've received redundancy payments or compensation for loss of office - like the local authorty chief exec round here who was 'released' because the new Tory Leader of the council didn't like him, and gave him £250k to go away and not blow the whistle on theoir methods. Every year those redundancy and comproimise agreement totals give the TDA something to get excited about, and are used to inspire the less well informed, or more gullible, to get excited about council officers pay. If the Trade Descriptions Act applied to shonky political groups who never disclose who funds them the Tax Dodgers Alliance would have been shut down years ago. so it's not true then? Fact is this guys total package equates to £370,00 plus, even £150,000 for a council chief exec is excessive you can't believe he has more responsibility than the pmI explan why the figure is bullshit, you move the goalposts... Do I think £150k is too much for a chief exec? Not in the real world, no. Given how little job security they have the role is bound to require a premium to attract good candidates.And that's just it Sefton council are paying a premium and we the residents get a very poor deal in return, I don't think anybody in the private sector has job security if you fail to perform your history, running county council isn't as demanding a job as pm and the pm doesn't have job security either, I'm guessing you work in the public sector which explains your position, I run a business and I expect and get value for money Let me help you out here because you're floundering. Politicians are allowed to have outside earnings before they go into the cabinet, and they're allowed to sell their 'expertise' when they're finished. That's how come Tony Blair can afford that house in West London and a small property empire. Council chief execs don't have the same privileges or the same opportunities. This entire thread has been shot through with you making guesses about what people do for a living so you can cast aspersions on their motives or their thinking. If I suggested that the reason why you're in the private sector is because your grammar is poor and your reasoning suspect such that you'd never make the grade as a chief oficer you'd be offended, but it's no diferent to your snide insinuations. Let me help you out though in a bid to keep this thread on track. All local government pay, from bottom to top, is based on a system of job evaluation and benchmarking - the system for chief officers was designed by a private sector HR firm based on a comparison with private sector wages (the so called Hay scales). A few times in this thread you've verged on being downright rude, but mainly what's evident is you don't know very much about local government. Chief Officers have restrictions on them that don't exist in the private sector - the rules on taking jobs after leaving a council, or requiring redundancy to be repaid if they get another job too soon are onerous, unfair and perverse, but hey ho, people like you think it's justified because you 'think' you don't have a good council. very touchy arnt you? You have your position I have mineI bring evidence you bring prejudice." not at all I dissagree with you I am not prejudiced in any way, you seem to have difficulty accepting somebody may have a different opinion to yourself, you seem to have an in depth knowledge of the workings of local government hence my reasonable assumption you are in some way Involved, | |||
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This or allow Nurses, teachers, police and firefighters the same independent bodies that set pay increases that the MPs have..
All in it together eh.. " | |||
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"I can't understand why the chief operating officer (whatever that is) of my local council is on over £370,000 Your profile says you're in Southport. Chief exec of Sefton, which I thik covers Southport, in their last senior officer's pay report, got paid £140k - £145k. So where did you get your numbers from? I didn't say chief exec, it's actually the head of highways and public protection the actual pay package is £372,840 my information is via the taxpayers alliance who made a freedom information request. As a previous poster has mentioned the prime minister is paid £160,000 I can't believe this council tosser is worth over £370,00Oh sweetheart, you weren't so gullible as to fall for a Taxpayers Alliance press release were you? Poor you.... Here's what the Tax Dodgers Alliance say about their methodology 'Remuneration was defined as including, but not being limited to: salary, fees, allowances, bonuses, benefits in kind, compensation for loss of office and employers’ pension contributions.' To put it another way, every years they pad out their exercise in pointless FoI requests by including people who've received redundancy payments or compensation for loss of office - like the local authorty chief exec round here who was 'released' because the new Tory Leader of the council didn't like him, and gave him £250k to go away and not blow the whistle on theoir methods. Every year those redundancy and comproimise agreement totals give the TDA something to get excited about, and are used to inspire the less well informed, or more gullible, to get excited about council officers pay. If the Trade Descriptions Act applied to shonky political groups who never disclose who funds them the Tax Dodgers Alliance would have been shut down years ago. so it's not true then? Fact is this guys total package equates to £370,00 plus, even £150,000 for a council chief exec is excessive you can't believe he has more responsibility than the pmI explan why the figure is bullshit, you move the goalposts... Do I think £150k is too much for a chief exec? Not in the real world, no. Given how little job security they have the role is bound to require a premium to attract good candidates.And that's just it Sefton council are paying a premium and we the residents get a very poor deal in return, I don't think anybody in the private sector has job security if you fail to perform your history, running county council isn't as demanding a job as pm and the pm doesn't have job security either, I'm guessing you work in the public sector which explains your position, I run a business and I expect and get value for money Let me help you out here because you're floundering. Politicians are allowed to have outside earnings before they go into the cabinet, and they're allowed to sell their 'expertise' when they're finished. That's how come Tony Blair can afford that house in West London and a small property empire. Council chief execs don't have the same privileges or the same opportunities. This entire thread has been shot through with you making guesses about what people do for a living so you can cast aspersions on their motives or their thinking. If I suggested that the reason why you're in the private sector is because your grammar is poor and your reasoning suspect such that you'd never make the grade as a chief oficer you'd be offended, but it's no diferent to your snide insinuations. Let me help you out though in a bid to keep this thread on track. All local government pay, from bottom to top, is based on a system of job evaluation and benchmarking - the system for chief officers was designed by a private sector HR firm based on a comparison with private sector wages (the so called Hay scales). A few times in this thread you've verged on being downright rude, but mainly what's evident is you don't know very much about local government. Chief Officers have restrictions on them that don't exist in the private sector - the rules on taking jobs after leaving a council, or requiring redundancy to be repaid if they get another job too soon are onerous, unfair and perverse, but hey ho, people like you think it's justified because you 'think' you don't have a good council. very touchy arnt you? You have your position I have mineI bring evidence you bring prejudice. not at all I dissagree with you I am not prejudiced in any way, you seem to have difficulty accepting somebody may have a different opinion to yourself, you seem to have an in depth knowledge of the workings of local government hence my reasonable assumption you are in some way Involved, " You assumed. No assumption is reasonable when it's based on such limited knowledge. You pontificate on a topic where you have little knowledge other than your limited experience of some of the services local government delivers, and you cite unreliable sources like political groups such as the Taxpayers Alliance with no apparent capacity to critically analyze their message and methods. WHen challenged you shift the goalposts. All of the information I've quoted can be found by a little judicious googling, but you appear unwilling to do that, and assume my quest to be informed about the topics I discuss implies some special interest. It's not that - I just don't want to look like an ill-informed dick, and I'm sure in your heart of hearts, you don't either. | |||
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