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"Getting a bit tired of people seemingly out for Chinese blood at the moment. Yes, we could sanction them. But what exactly would that achieve, apart from opening a huge can of worms? Imagine if countries started backdating reparation claims to those who'd fucked them over - the UK and US would be at the top of many lists. The lies that the Chinese government have told have cost many lives and I'm incredibly angry about that too, but do you really think they are the first and only government to ever lie about anything? One has to wonder if there would be such an uproar had the virus originated in a less... "exotic" part of the world. " I'm not angry I'm concerned People are looking to apportion blame And thats not good Seems history has taught us fuck all | |||
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"It's about a war tactic, make the other side seem like barbarians, heathens, aliens, wrong doers, anything negative to evoke hate and a separation from them being another human being, a threat, not like you & less than you. Just look at history... Nazi vs Jew's Hindus vs Muslim's Muslim's vs Christians Roman's vs pagans China vs Mongols White vs black Europeans on native Americans (north & south) Aborigines vs western prisoners Modern day abusers vs modern day abused Need I go on " Errrm....weren't the Romans pagans. I see your point though. The war machine goes on, a bad alternative for birth control in my opinion. Good for the economy, German cars everywhere. Just hope I don't get hit by friendly fire. | |||
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"Getting a bit tired of people seemingly out for Chinese blood at the moment. Yes, we could sanction them. But what exactly would that achieve, apart from opening a huge can of worms? Imagine if countries started backdating reparation claims to those who'd fucked them over - the UK and US would be at the top of many lists. The lies that the Chinese government have told have cost many lives and I'm incredibly angry about that too, but do you really think they are the first and only government to ever lie about anything? One has to wonder if there would be such an uproar had the virus originated in a less... "exotic" part of the world. " When you say "sanctions" usually the agreed terms means economic ones individual counties place on one another.This is normal economic activity that happens all the time. China has been locked in a trade war with the USA for over 2 years trading sanctions against one another. Sanctions should be placed on a country that hoovered up ppe from other Asian nations during and after (their) initial outbreak and is now being sold back to those same nations at inflated prices. This isn't about xenophobia against Chinese people. Its about a political party, the ccp which deal in lies and deception to exert control not only over its own population but also the world. As for reparations ask the Germans. They had their country split in half paid off most mainland European counties and still have the largest economy in Europe today. China should be doing there bit just much if not more than any other nation. Attempting to profiteer through medical supplies no less from their own fuck up is exactly what sanctions are for. | |||
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"Getting a bit tired of people seemingly out for Chinese blood at the moment. Yes, we could sanction them. But what exactly would that achieve, apart from opening a huge can of worms? Imagine if countries started backdating reparation claims to those who'd fucked them over - the UK and US would be at the top of many lists. The lies that the Chinese government have told have cost many lives and I'm incredibly angry about that too, but do you really think they are the first and only government to ever lie about anything? One has to wonder if there would be such an uproar had the virus originated in a less... "exotic" part of the world. When you say "sanctions" usually the agreed terms means economic ones individual counties place on one another.This is normal economic activity that happens all the time. China has been locked in a trade war with the USA for over 2 years trading sanctions against one another. Sanctions should be placed on a country that hoovered up ppe from other Asian nations during and after (their) initial outbreak and is now being sold back to those same nations at inflated prices. This isn't about xenophobia against Chinese people. Its about a political party, the ccp which deal in lies and deception to exert control not only over its own population but also the world. As for reparations ask the Germans. They had their country split in half paid off most mainland European counties and still have the largest economy in Europe today. China should be doing there bit just much if not more than any other nation. Attempting to profiteer through medical supplies no less from their own fuck up is exactly what sanctions are for. " In this case I meant "sanction" as a term for punishment | |||
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" Errrm....weren't the Romans pagans. " Yes, but they killed off the Druids who were also pagan. Different flavour of pagan.  | |||
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"I assume the UK has to pay reparations for CJD. The Spanish for Spanish flu. Who do we sue for the black death? "The Spanish flu never started in Spain, it got its name because spanish news agents were not censored so could report it while other nations were at war and did not report it as there news agency's were censored | |||
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"That's why America pulled funding" No American is pulling funding as trump need to deflect. He always does something to deflect, he is a narcissist who cannot take critical opinions. So he does the only thing he knows, hits out at someone or something. | |||
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"I assume the UK has to pay reparations for CJD. The Spanish for Spanish flu. Who do we sue for the black death?
The Spanish flu never started in Spain, it got its name because spanish news agents were not censored so could report it while other nations were at war and did not report it as there news agency's were censored "Fair enough but as the exact origin could have been France the UK or USA the premise still holds. | |||
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"Remember the who said at first that this virus could not spread by human contact then criticised countrys trying to stop all flight coming into their country ,then criticised countrys for not acting sooner ,also China gives Ethiopia a lot of financial support and who heads the who " How dare you I bet your a big bad racist for using logic and facts above feels | |||
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"That's why America pulled funding No American is pulling funding as trump need to deflect. He always does something to deflect, he is a narcissist who cannot take critical opinions. So he does the only thing he knows, hits out at someone or something. " Governor Coumo of New York (A Democrat ) said the other day that if China and the w.h.o. had given them a warning two weeks earlier then %90 of new Yorkers that have died from this virus may still be alive today, is he trying to deflect too? | |||
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"Remember the who said at first that this virus could not spread by human contact then criticised countrys trying to stop all flight coming into their country ,then criticised countrys for not acting sooner ,also China gives Ethiopia a lot of financial support and who heads the who How dare you I bet your a big bad racist for using logic and facts above feels" Lol | |||
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"Remember the who said at first that this virus could not spread by human contact then criticised countrys trying to stop all flight coming into their country ,then criticised countrys for not acting sooner ,also China gives Ethiopia a lot of financial support and who heads the who " Yeah but "Grrrrr,Trump!" Right?  | |||
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"It would be extremely inadvisable for the UK to set a precedent for seeking reparations from another for damaging it's economy and harming it's population. " Thank you. This is what I was trying to say; it's a can of worms that will have huge consequences in the long run if opened. Reform the CCP, sure. Reform China's laws regarding food practices and hygiene, sure. But demanding reparations is not a solution to this problem. | |||
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"It would be extremely inadvisable for the UK to set a precedent for seeking reparations from another for damaging it's economy and harming it's population. Thank you. This is what I was trying to say; it's a can of worms that will have huge consequences in the long run if opened. Reform the CCP, sure. Reform China's laws regarding food practices and hygiene, sure. But demanding reparations is not a solution to this problem. " How do governments/countries change the law of sovereign nations without that national governments collaboration? | |||
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"Remember the who said at first that this virus could not spread by human contact then criticised countrys trying to stop all flight coming into their country ,then criticised countrys for not acting sooner ,also China gives Ethiopia a lot of financial support and who heads the who " Chinese and Africans are not natural bed fellows. If the Chinese are helping the Ethiopians in any way, you can bet there's a MAJOR advantage to them. So much so they could give a fuck what the US or any country has to say as they'll have something we all want/need. Let's be honest, the west will huff and puff for a while, but what will we do? Nothing. | |||
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"That's why America pulled funding No American is pulling funding as trump need to deflect. He always does something to deflect, he is a narcissist who cannot take critical opinions. So he does the only thing he knows, hits out at someone or something. " I have to agree with this. It's election year, the US economy is now fucked, like every nation is after CV19, so by blaming the W.H.O. along with China - not saying by any means that they are blameless - he is deflecting as he always does. Saves 500 million I believe the figure is, by withdrawing W.H.O. funding - a tiny drop in the ocean when it comes to their budget but it does look like a massive chunk of change. He is politicking to say the least. But it is a potentially dangerous play. With funding dramatically reduced the W.H.O.s ability to 'police's this pandemic and any future diseases is also reduced. I for one think this is a shortsighted and foolish reaction to look good for the voting public. | |||
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"It would be extremely inadvisable for the UK to set a precedent for seeking reparations from another for damaging it's economy and harming it's population. Thank you. This is what I was trying to say; it's a can of worms that will have huge consequences in the long run if opened. Reform the CCP, sure. Reform China's laws regarding food practices and hygiene, sure. But demanding reparations is not a solution to this problem. How do governments/countries change the law of sovereign nations without that national governments collaboration? " We want to be in charge of our own laws, and rightly so. However, we reserve the right to seek to change the laws in other sovereign countries should we wish...is that how it works? | |||
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"Getting a bit tired of people seemingly out for Chinese blood at the moment. Yes, we could sanction them. But what exactly would that achieve, apart from opening a huge can of worms? Imagine if countries started backdating reparation claims to those who'd fucked them over - the UK and US would be at the top of many lists. The lies that the Chinese government have told have cost many lives and I'm incredibly angry about that too, but do you really think they are the first and only government to ever lie about anything? One has to wonder if there would be such an uproar had the virus originated in a less... "exotic" part of the world. " People have asked the US and European countries for reparations before. They’re just ignored. Lol. But I agree with your post, OP! It’s disappointing to see calls for reparations (whilst ignoring calls from other countries) but not at all surprising.  | |||
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"It would be extremely inadvisable for the UK to set a precedent for seeking reparations from another for damaging it's economy and harming it's population. Thank you. This is what I was trying to say; it's a can of worms that will have huge consequences in the long run if opened. Reform the CCP, sure. Reform China's laws regarding food practices and hygiene, sure. But demanding reparations is not a solution to this problem. How do governments/countries change the law of sovereign nations without that national governments collaboration? " Set them before the UN's World Court in an attempt to mediate, I guess. I'm not saying I have all the answers lol I'm just saying let's calm down and think this through properly instead of this scary mob mentality that seems to be taking hold | |||
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"I’m surprised at everyone blaming The Who. I’d imagine the Rolling Stones would be more culpable. Bloody Keith Richards. " Sorry I'm too young for this reference  | |||
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"Getting a bit tired of people seemingly out for Chinese blood at the moment. Yes, we could sanction them. But what exactly would that achieve, apart from opening a huge can of worms? Imagine if countries started backdating reparation claims to those who'd fucked them over - the UK and US would be at the top of many lists. The lies that the Chinese government have told have cost many lives and I'm incredibly angry about that too, but do you really think they are the first and only government to ever lie about anything? One has to wonder if there would be such an uproar had the virus originated in a less... "exotic" part of the world. People have asked the US and European countries for reparations before. They’re just ignored. Lol. But I agree with your post, OP! It’s disappointing to see calls for reparations (whilst ignoring calls from other countries) but not at all surprising. "Exactly, I'm not seeing the UK paying Iraq, Belgium paying Congo, France paying basically the whole of West Africa etc. Imagine if every country we'd ever fucked over suddenly started demanding their share! | |||
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"I think that once we hopefully get a resistance or vaccine for the latest virus to come out of China People and businesses in this country will realise that we should be manufacturing and buying more from a closer market Here in the U.K. and Europe China makes it bigger and cheaper!!! As the saying goes Buy cheap! But twice!!! Stay safe Just check if your ppe is made in China!! "Would be nice. But UK doesn't have the manufacturing industry we once had. And we just voted to leave the EU, so that's no good for us either. The reality is that goods manufactured in China are way cheaper. And are of good quality. | |||
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"Getting a bit tired of people seemingly out for Chinese blood at the moment. Yes, we could sanction them. But what exactly would that achieve, apart from opening a huge can of worms? Imagine if countries started backdating reparation claims to those who'd fucked them over - the UK and US would be at the top of many lists. The lies that the Chinese government have told have cost many lives and I'm incredibly angry about that too, but do you really think they are the first and only government to ever lie about anything? One has to wonder if there would be such an uproar had the virus originated in a less... "exotic" part of the world. People have asked the US and European countries for reparations before. They’re just ignored. Lol. But I agree with your post, OP! It’s disappointing to see calls for reparations (whilst ignoring calls from other countries) but not at all surprising.
Exactly, I'm not seeing the UK paying Iraq, Belgium paying Congo, France paying basically the whole of West Africa etc. Imagine if every country we'd ever fucked over suddenly started demanding their share! "David Cameron in Jamaica saying it’s time to move on from slavery comes to mind as an expected British response. In fact it’s a fitting example as he dodged calls for reparations. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/30/jamaica-should-move-on-from-painful-legacy-of-slavery-says-cameron | |||
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"Getting a bit tired of people seemingly out for Chinese blood at the moment. Yes, we could sanction them. But what exactly would that achieve, apart from opening a huge can of worms? Imagine if countries started backdating reparation claims to those who'd fucked them over - the UK and US would be at the top of many lists. The lies that the Chinese government have told have cost many lives and I'm incredibly angry about that too, but do you really think they are the first and only government to ever lie about anything? One has to wonder if there would be such an uproar had the virus originated in a less... "exotic" part of the world. People have asked the US and European countries for reparations before. They’re just ignored. Lol. But I agree with your post, OP! It’s disappointing to see calls for reparations (whilst ignoring calls from other countries) but not at all surprising.
Exactly, I'm not seeing the UK paying Iraq, Belgium paying Congo, France paying basically the whole of West Africa etc. Imagine if every country we'd ever fucked over suddenly started demanding their share!
David Cameron in Jamaica saying it’s time to move on from slavery comes to mind as an expected British response. In fact it’s a fitting example as he dodged calls for reparations.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/30/jamaica-should-move-on-from-painful-legacy-of-slavery-says-cameron"It's about time we asked the scandinavians for some cash for what they did to York. | |||
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"Then we'll move on to the normans. " Yes where does it stop? Harrying of the North, the highland clearances. Germany having a big car industry was mentioned earlier in the thread. It was an intentional policy to build up their economy and effectively “keep them busy” following WW2. The reparations imposed following the treaty of Versailles had future catastrophic consequences. So hardly a good idea to create even more resentment around the globe. And to answer someone mentioning “bleeding hearts” No it’s called being pragmatic. | |||
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"I would beg to differ on the quality side As I work in the food And drink industry We have to adhere to very tight rules BRC etc I wonder how many auditors get shown the real Chinese factories Who wants to put on a mask or apron made in China??? Roulette??? As I said Buy cheap buy twice " The device you just used to type this message on. Where was it and it's components manufactured? | |||
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"I would beg to differ on the quality side As I work in the food And drink industry We have to adhere to very tight rules BRC etc I wonder how many auditors get shown the real Chinese factories Who wants to put on a mask or apron made in China??? Roulette??? As I said Buy cheap buy twice The device you just used to type this message on. Where was it and it's components manufactured?" The parts where manufactured globally and then shipped and assembled in China. Thats why global supply chains are and will be fucked for months even after the virus and restrictions are lifted. China doesn't own the global monopoly of production. It just so happens to be where the infustructer and skilled labour is right now. Why do you think china is investing so heavily into africa. With a rising middle class they don't want make your iPhone anymore. Leave that to next ledc country. They would rather export that work to another country whilst retaining the profit from its manufacturer. There is already at growing backlash and desire to move international production away from China. And how did the ccp respond to this... Fudge the caixin pmi numbers in Feburay to beat stock market analysis of their economies contraction. | |||
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"It's about a war tactic, make the other side seem like barbarians, heathens, aliens, wrong doers, anything negative to evoke hate and a separation from them being another human being, a threat, not like you & less than you. Just look at history... Nazi vs Jew's Hindus vs Muslim's Muslim's vs Christians Roman's vs pagans China vs Mongols White vs black Europeans on native Americans (north & south) Aborigines vs western prisoners Modern day abusers vs modern day abused Need I go on " Great post! I’m in agreement with it all. However I can’t help wondering why Jew, Muslim and Roman have an apostrophe and not Mongols, Christians abs Nazis. ?? | |||
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"I assume the UK has to pay reparations for CJD. The Spanish for Spanish flu. Who do we sue for the black death? "The Spanish flu didn't come from Spain though? It came from a British army camp in the first world war. It wasn't reported it was wiping out British and American soldiers to boost morale. The high death rates in Spain were reported though hence where the main came from  | |||
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"If they are to blame think the only way to do is to place more import tax on there goods coming into country at least whatever government in charge in future less money to find off tax payer . They should direct it to the nhs " And thays where the conspiracy behind Covid-19 comes from. Whose the only country in the world to have recovered in the global markets? Their stocks are at 2 year highs.. Since trump sanctioned them  | |||
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"I would beg to differ on the quality side As I work in the food And drink industry We have to adhere to very tight rules BRC etc I wonder how many auditors get shown the real Chinese factories Who wants to put on a mask or apron made in China??? Roulette??? As I said Buy cheap buy twice The device you just used to type this message on. Where was it and it's components manufactured?" This. I work in the tech sector, and TBH the fabrication plants in China are leaps ahead. Their R&D investments are massive as well. Yes they also went the route of nicking IPR, but then all developed nations did that to get to where they are. Now it's the West looking at how to catch up to Asian research as we are basically behind in so many areas. | |||
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" The Spanish flu didn't come from Spain though? It came from a British army camp in the first world war. It wasn't reported it was wiping out British and American soldiers to boost morale. The high death rates in Spain were reported though hence where the main came from "But that is only hearsay because other research says it actually originated in Kansas USA - Not that it really matters one way or the other it's all hypotheses. And the problem with hypotheses is people - nations - self-interest groups - conspiracists etc align their choice of hypotheses to match their belief or political leaning. | |||
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"I just got a whole bunch of flak for scrutinising the world health organisation good luck most people here don't actually follow politics here outside of what telivision tells them. " Strange how the new WHO human rights guy for the South East Asian region is from the Chinese government. Just been give the job as well. The first victims of the Chinese government is the Chinese people. | |||
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"I assume the UK has to pay reparations for CJD. The Spanish for Spanish flu. Who do we sue for the black death?
The Spanish flu never started in Spain, it got its name because spanish news agents were not censored so could report it while other nations were at war and did not report it as there news agency's were censored
Fair enough but as the exact origin could have been France the UK or USA the premise still holds. "Nope. Origin was more than likely China. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/1/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health/ | |||
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"It's about a war tactic, make the other side seem like barbarians, heathens, aliens, wrong doers, anything negative to evoke hate and a separation from them being another human being, a threat, not like you & less than you. Just look at history... Nazi vs Jew's Hindus vs Muslim's Muslim's vs Christians Roman's vs pagans China vs Mongols White vs black Europeans on native Americans (north & south) Aborigines vs western prisoners Modern day abusers vs modern day abused Need I go on " China and the Mongols? Are we talking about China building the wall? It was quite a reasonable response tbh. Mongols did some pretty horrid stuff to the Chinese and the middle east in general. They didn't exactly go to China to make friends. | |||
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"I assume the UK has to pay reparations for CJD. The Spanish for Spanish flu. Who do we sue for the black death?
The Spanish flu never started in Spain, it got its name because spanish news agents were not censored so could report it while other nations were at war and did not report it as there news agency's were censored
Fair enough but as the exact origin could have been France the UK or USA the premise still holds.
Nope. Origin was more than likely China.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/1/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health/"And depending where you look it's USA Spain China Brest Austria . . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu | |||
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"I’m surprised at everyone blaming The Who. I’d imagine the Rolling Stones would be more culpable. Bloody Keith Richards. Sorry I'm too young for this reference "And now I feel so bloody old!!! | |||
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"I’m surprised at everyone blaming The Who. I’d imagine the Rolling Stones would be more culpable. Bloody Keith Richards. Sorry I'm too young for this reference
And now I feel so bloody old!!! "WHO is financially dependent on countries and China is a big contributor. This gives them to much influence within the organisation and they used WHO to block Taiwan access during this pandemic. | |||
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"I’m surprised at everyone blaming The Who. I’d imagine the Rolling Stones would be more culpable. Bloody Keith Richards. " Keith Richards has had it , didn’t bother him | |||
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"I don't understand why everyone is so averse to holding the CCP accountable later for allowing the conditions that allowed c19 to make the jump from animals to people. Something that scientists had considered was likely before this had occured. And also for hiding the scale of the problem in December and January. We're so quick to laud CCP generosity in giving defective ppe for a crisis that they allowed to make. But criticising them and calling for some meaningful actions to address these problems and suddenly "Chinese make everything don't annoy our Chinese manufacturing overlords. Why doesn't everyone pay reparations for every thing that has ever happened. Racism!"" You simply can't be this confused about the situation. Are you being deliberately obtuse? | |||
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"All the fuss cos it came from China. The Brits and Americans are the best at manufacturing diseases and experimenting on poor African countries and no one has ever sanctioned or called for their heads on the chopping board but now that this has hit home we want to see someone get punished as if they planned on letting this virus lose. Right now the whole of Africa as a continent has less than 3000 deaths and yet scientists want to go and TRY out a vaccine in Africa just in case it goes wrong. Why not try the vaccine out in Europe where there's thousands of deaths. People should just stay at home and focus on saving lives and looking after themselves and their loved ones." The scientific community didnt agree to use Africa as a test bed. Two French scientists suggested and when cut down immediately because they insinuated it wouldn't matter if the drug failed. Although based on science and facts (parts) of Africa might be a suitable place to test (some) clinical trials. Antiviral hiv and maleria medication which are currently the most common medicines used to ease symptoms (not cure them) Are common there and in plentiful supply as is there sustained use in the population And if you are concerned about Europe's treatment of Africans look at china's. https://youtu.be/gBvZ6IQwT_s | |||
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"All the fuss cos it came from China. The Brits and Americans are the best at manufacturing diseases and experimenting on poor African countries and no one has ever sanctioned or called for their heads on the chopping board but now that this has hit home we want to see someone get punished as if they planned on letting this virus lose. Right now the whole of Africa as a continent has less than 3000 deaths and yet scientists want to go and TRY out a vaccine in Africa just in case it goes wrong. Why not try the vaccine out in Europe where there's thousands of deaths. People should just stay at home and focus on saving lives and looking after themselves and their loved ones. The scientific community didnt agree to use Africa as a test bed. Two French scientists suggested and when cut down immediately because they insinuated it wouldn't matter if the drug failed. Although based on science and facts (parts) of Africa might be a suitable place to test (some) clinical trials. Antiviral hiv and maleria medication which are currently the most common medicines used to ease symptoms (not cure them) Are common there and in plentiful supply as is there sustained use in the population And if you are concerned about Europe's treatment of Africans look at china's. https://youtu.be/gBvZ6IQwT_s " Of course it's suitable to test HIV trials in Africa cos that's where the virus was planted after it was created and with malaria it's understandable coz the heat and humidity. You say based on science and facts Africa is suitable for clinical trails for HIV so what facts is it based on as there's only one type of HIV whether you're in Africa or Europe | |||
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"The level of political illiteracy on these forums is absolutely staggering. Heresay, half-truths and downright lies peddled as 'fact' by people who haven't got a clue what they're talking about, or gullible idiots swallowing it whole and jumping to false conclusions make up about 90% of the posts on here. I can only pray that our political leaders are better informed and more intelligent than the majority of fab members, or we're all well and truly fucked. " | |||
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"All the fuss cos it came from China. The Brits and Americans are the best at manufacturing diseases and experimenting on poor African countries and no one has ever sanctioned or called for their heads on the chopping board but now that this has hit home we want to see someone get punished as if they planned on letting this virus lose. Right now the whole of Africa as a continent has less than 3000 deaths and yet scientists want to go and TRY out a vaccine in Africa just in case it goes wrong. Why not try the vaccine out in Europe where there's thousands of deaths. People should just stay at home and focus on saving lives and looking after themselves and their loved ones. The scientific community didnt agree to use Africa as a test bed. Two French scientists suggested and when cut down immediately because they insinuated it wouldn't matter if the drug failed. Although based on science and facts (parts) of Africa might be a suitable place to test (some) clinical trials. Antiviral hiv and maleria medication which are currently the most common medicines used to ease symptoms (not cure them) Are common there and in plentiful supply as is there sustained use in the population And if you are concerned about Europe's treatment of Africans look at china's. https://youtu.be/gBvZ6IQwT_s Of course it's suitable to test HIV trials in Africa cos that's where the virus was planted after it was created and with malaria it's understandable coz the heat and humidity. You say based on science and facts Africa is suitable for clinical trails for HIV so what facts is it based on as there's only one type of HIV whether you're in Africa or Europe " I'm completely lost in your grammar Existing hiv and antiviral drugs mainly those used to combat maleria and hiv are being used as therapeutic drugs to combat covid-19. These drugs are in ready supply in Africa and have been used in the population and are being used right now for there intended purpose to treat botth maleria and hiv. It has nothing to do with africa as a place. Antarctica would be just as a good a location if the met the same conditions of ready supply of drugs and an existing population taking them with exisitng data on the population and the effects of both drugs. Not everythig has to be xenophobic it can just be coincidence. I see the treatment of Africans in china was just been brushed over though | |||
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"The level of political illiteracy on these forums is absolutely staggering. Heresay, half-truths and downright lies peddled as 'fact' by people who haven't got a clue what they're talking about, or gullible idiots swallowing it whole and jumping to false conclusions make up about 90% of the posts on here. I can only pray that our political leaders are better informed and more intelligent than the majority of fab members, or we're all well and truly fucked. "I'd say political leaders are even more more illiterate. Take putin and msb deciding to crash the price of oil in midst of a growing pandemic. Two nations getting into to dick measuring war over dead dino juice whilst the world economy threatens to dip into a global depression not seen in generations. If people only new half the truth of how bad things are set up financially there would be riots across the planet. | |||
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"Was HIV created by the some people who made SARS-CoV-2 and 5G? Is there a secret challenge to kill as much people as possible between several competing teams? How do you register a team?" There's an online form. The address is spelled out in chem-trails. | |||
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"It's about a war tactic, make the other side seem like barbarians, heathens, aliens, wrong doers, anything negative to evoke hate and a separation from them being another human being, a threat, not like you & less than you. Just look at history... Nazi vs Jew's Hindus vs Muslim's Muslim's vs Christians Roman's vs pagans China vs Mongols White vs black Europeans on native Americans (north & south) Aborigines vs western prisoners Modern day abusers vs modern day abused Need I go on " A lot in what you are saying | |||
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"All the fuss cos it came from China. The Brits and Americans are the best at manufacturing diseases and experimenting on poor African countries and no one has ever sanctioned or called for their heads on the chopping board but now that this has hit home we want to see someone get punished as if they planned on letting this virus lose. Right now the whole of Africa as a continent has less than 3000 deaths and yet scientists want to go and TRY out a vaccine in Africa just in case it goes wrong. Why not try the vaccine out in Europe where there's thousands of deaths. People should just stay at home and focus on saving lives and looking after themselves and their loved ones. The scientific community didnt agree to use Africa as a test bed. Two French scientists suggested and when cut down immediately because they insinuated it wouldn't matter if the drug failed. Although based on science and facts (parts) of Africa might be a suitable place to test (some) clinical trials. Antiviral hiv and maleria medication which are currently the most common medicines used to ease symptoms (not cure them) Are common there and in plentiful supply as is there sustained use in the population And if you are concerned about Europe's treatment of Africans look at china's. https://youtu.be/gBvZ6IQwT_s Of course it's suitable to test HIV trials in Africa cos that's where the virus was planted after it was created and with malaria it's understandable coz the heat and humidity. You say based on science and facts Africa is suitable for clinical trails for HIV so what facts is it based on as there's only one type of HIV whether you're in Africa or Europe I'm completely lost in your grammar Existing hiv and antiviral drugs mainly those used to combat maleria and hiv are being used as therapeutic drugs to combat covid-19. These drugs are in ready supply in Africa and have been used in the population and are being used right now for there intended purpose to treat botth maleria and hiv. It has nothing to do with africa as a place. Antarctica would be just as a good a location if the met the same conditions of ready supply of drugs and an existing population taking them with exisitng data on the population and the effects of both drugs. Not everythig has to be xenophobic it can just be coincidence. I see the treatment of Africans in china was just been brushed over though" Well it seems like its xenophobic cos people have been going on about how China should be sanctioned or punished yet if this virus had first broke out in the UK or America no one would be suggesting any action be taken against them . Africans are ill treated everywhere and they have been for hundreds of years so don't think I'm brushing over the fact that the Chinese mistreat Africans,my point was everyone is gunning for China to get some sort of punishment as if they planned or unleashing this virus but if it had originated right here people would singing a different tune. | |||
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"All the fuss cos it came from China. The Brits and Americans are the best at manufacturing diseases and experimenting on poor African countries and no one has ever sanctioned or called for their heads on the chopping board but now that this has hit home we want to see someone get punished as if they planned on letting this virus lose. Right now the whole of Africa as a continent has less than 3000 deaths and yet scientists want to go and TRY out a vaccine in Africa just in case it goes wrong. Why not try the vaccine out in Europe where there's thousands of deaths. People should just stay at home and focus on saving lives and looking after themselves and their loved ones. The scientific community didnt agree to use Africa as a test bed. Two French scientists suggested and when cut down immediately because they insinuated it wouldn't matter if the drug failed. Although based on science and facts (parts) of Africa might be a suitable place to test (some) clinical trials. Antiviral hiv and maleria medication which are currently the most common medicines used to ease symptoms (not cure them) Are common there and in plentiful supply as is there sustained use in the population And if you are concerned about Europe's treatment of Africans look at china's. https://youtu.be/gBvZ6IQwT_s Of course it's suitable to test HIV trials in Africa cos that's where the virus was planted after it was created and with malaria it's understandable coz the heat and humidity. You say based on science and facts Africa is suitable for clinical trails for HIV so what facts is it based on as there's only one type of HIV whether you're in Africa or Europe I'm completely lost in your grammar Existing hiv and antiviral drugs mainly those used to combat maleria and hiv are being used as therapeutic drugs to combat covid-19. These drugs are in ready supply in Africa and have been used in the population and are being used right now for there intended purpose to treat botth maleria and hiv. It has nothing to do with africa as a place. Antarctica would be just as a good a location if the met the same conditions of ready supply of drugs and an existing population taking them with exisitng data on the population and the effects of both drugs. Not everythig has to be xenophobic it can just be coincidence. I see the treatment of Africans in china was just been brushed over though Well it seems like its xenophobic cos people have been going on about how China should be sanctioned or punished yet if this virus had first broke out in the UK or America no one would be suggesting any action be taken against them . Africans are ill treated everywhere and they have been for hundreds of years so don't think I'm brushing over the fact that the Chinese mistreat Africans,my point was everyone is gunning for China to get some sort of punishment as if they planned or unleashing this virus but if it had originated right here people would singing a different tune. " Ive seen the word sanctioned. Which relates to economic activity and limiting trade with a country to limit their economic activity in another country. And yeah I agree with that stance. I haven't seen the word punished used and I can't say I've seen anyone else on here calling for a a war with China. I have seen the ccp ramping up the military presence not only in their own country but across all its borders from Russia to the south China Sea. I personally have not said China should be held responsible for a natural virus (I leave it chem trail conspiracists to argue where it came from) I do think Tha the ccp (that's the political party not the people or the country of China) handling of the virus on the world stage is deplorable. They have used lies and deciet to spin every angle away form them. That can be said for just about ever politician in very country by the ccp takes control and subversion to another level. There are no angels in this scenario. Good guys and bad. What there should be is accountability something the ccp has never and will never accept | |||
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"All the fuss cos it came from China. The Brits and Americans are the best at manufacturing diseases and experimenting on poor African countries and no one has ever sanctioned or called for their heads on the chopping board but now that this has hit home we want to see someone get punished as if they planned on letting this virus lose. Right now the whole of Africa as a continent has less than 3000 deaths and yet scientists want to go and TRY out a vaccine in Africa just in case it goes wrong. Why not try the vaccine out in Europe where there's thousands of deaths. People should just stay at home and focus on saving lives and looking after themselves and their loved ones. The scientific community didnt agree to use Africa as a test bed. Two French scientists suggested and when cut down immediately because they insinuated it wouldn't matter if the drug failed. Although based on science and facts (parts) of Africa might be a suitable place to test (some) clinical trials. Antiviral hiv and maleria medication which are currently the most common medicines used to ease symptoms (not cure them) Are common there and in plentiful supply as is there sustained use in the population And if you are concerned about Europe's treatment of Africans look at china's. https://youtu.be/gBvZ6IQwT_s Of course it's suitable to test HIV trials in Africa cos that's where the virus was planted after it was created and with malaria it's understandable coz the heat and humidity. You say based on science and facts Africa is suitable for clinical trails for HIV so what facts is it based on as there's only one type of HIV whether you're in Africa or Europe I'm completely lost in your grammar Existing hiv and antiviral drugs mainly those used to combat maleria and hiv are being used as therapeutic drugs to combat covid-19. These drugs are in ready supply in Africa and have been used in the population and are being used right now for there intended purpose to treat botth maleria and hiv. It has nothing to do with africa as a place. Antarctica would be just as a good a location if the met the same conditions of ready supply of drugs and an existing population taking them with exisitng data on the population and the effects of both drugs. Not everythig has to be xenophobic it can just be coincidence. I see the treatment of Africans in china was just been brushed over though Well it seems like its xenophobic cos people have been going on about how China should be sanctioned or punished yet if this virus had first broke out in the UK or America no one would be suggesting any action be taken against them . Africans are ill treated everywhere and they have been for hundreds of years so don't think I'm brushing over the fact that the Chinese mistreat Africans,my point was everyone is gunning for China to get some sort of punishment as if they planned or unleashing this virus but if it had originated right here people would singing a different tune. Ive seen the word sanctioned. Which relates to economic activity and limiting trade with a country to limit their economic activity in another country. And yeah I agree with that stance. I haven't seen the word punished used and I can't say I've seen anyone else on here calling for a a war with China. I have seen the ccp ramping up the military presence not only in their own country but across all its borders from Russia to the south China Sea. I personally have not said China should be held responsible for a natural virus (I leave it chem trail conspiracists to argue where it came from) I do think Tha the ccp (that's the political party not the people or the country of China) handling of the virus on the world stage is deplorable. They have used lies and deciet to spin every angle away form them. That can be said for just about ever politician in very country by the ccp takes control and subversion to another level. There are no angels in this scenario. Good guys and bad. What there should be is accountability something the ccp has never and will never accept" I agree with you that there should be accountability and that politicians will always dodge it. I feel that sanctions are a type of punishment but then again I might be wrong and the problem with sanctions of any type is that it's the poor people that suffer in the end,look at what happened when sanctions were imposed on Zimbabwe,they have a 99% unemployment rate . | |||
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"Nope the who advised against travel bans The who advised against masks The who ignored Thai information regarding human to human transmission of covid19 The who are currently refusing Thailand entry to the who as China does not recognise them as an independent country. That's why funding was pulled you are to dense to have been following this since November Probably still think the proposed travel ban he suggested in January was big mean racism ??" It's Taiwan not Thailand and it isn't recognised as an independent country by nearly everyone because it isn't an independent country. It is fact in international law an independently administered part of China. Even Taiwan doesn't consider itself an independent country. Taiwan considers itself legitimately China. | |||
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"Be prepared to have this thread pulled by the bleeding hearts on here to scared of reality" It is not the thread that wants pulling it is the Virus Forum, if not permanently at least until everyone comes off their high horse and calms down. | |||
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"It's about a war tactic, make the other side seem like barbarians, heathens, aliens, wrong doers, anything negative to evoke hate and a separation from them being another human being, a threat, not like you & less than you. Just look at history... Nazi vs Jew's Hindus vs Muslim's Muslim's vs Christians Roman's vs pagans China vs Mongols White vs black Europeans on native Americans (north & south) Aborigines vs western prisoners Modern day abusers vs modern day abused Need I go on China and the Mongols? Are we talking about China building the wall? It was quite a reasonable response tbh. Mongols did some pretty horrid stuff to the Chinese and the middle east in general. They didn't exactly go to China to make friends." Apostrophes missing from above simply because I didn't grammar check, to busy typing before it ran out my brain The point is whether it's war in blood or war in economic terms or otherwise, the dialogue between one and the other is the same...one of hate, fear & dehumanizing. | |||
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"Was HIV created by the some people who made SARS-CoV-2 and 5G? Is there a secret challenge to kill as much people as possible between several competing teams? How do you register a team? There's an online form. The address is spelled out in chem-trails. " Fake news mate.
The real forms are actually embossed on the underside of especially reared, genetically modified bat wings and have to filled in with china powdered ink fluidated with dog's blood.
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"There is very strong evidence that this was a laboratory created virus." No, there really isn't any scientific evidence to back that up and loads that says it definitely isn't man made. New findings from the Scripps Research Institute confirm the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus has natural origins and was not made in a laboratory or artificial setting, as many have speculated. To reach the conclusion the team used analysed public genome sequence data from SARS-CoV-2 released by China and identified several tell-tale signs suggesting COVID-19 is an organic virus. While there has been speculation that the virus was developed in laboratories and released either accidently or as a form of bioterrorism, findings published in the journal Nature Medicine confirm COVID-19 is a product of natural evolution. The study was titled 'The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2' and highlights strong evidence for natural evolution. "By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes," says Kristian Andersen, PhD, corresponding author on the paper and associate professor of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research. | |||
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"There is very strong evidence that this was a laboratory created virus. #Wuhan#Coronavirus#CCPVirus. Available on YouTube Oh well, if it's on YouTube, that we'll know source of valid and verified of scientific information, it must be true. "Scientists who have produced peer reviewed paper's studying the genetic make up of the virus aren't as reliable as a random punter on YouTube. | |||
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"Regardless of the who did what, when and why...or not. I personally try...wherever possible to avoid buying anything from China (not always easy to do) Why? Totally corrupt CCP dictatorship....the way they treat their own citizens, particularly any minority groups. Don't trust a word that comes out of their propaganda machine. Totally set on world domination...militarily in region (building "Islands" in South China Sea to extend their territorial waters and to gobble up the waters of other countries) and through trade....flooding world markets with cheap...often totalky crap goods (eg massively subsidised sub-standard steel has almost destroyed steel industry in the west....then take western government grants/bribes to buy up the destroyed industries for peanuts....) Probably great people....totally corrupt regime...." Totally set on world domination? | |||
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"There is very strong evidence that this was a laboratory created virus. No, there really isn't any scientific evidence to back that up and loads that says it definitely isn't man made. New findings from the Scripps Research Institute confirm the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus has natural origins and was not made in a laboratory or artificial setting, as many have speculated. To reach the conclusion the team used analysed public genome sequence data from SARS-CoV-2 released by China and identified several tell-tale signs suggesting COVID-19 is an organic virus. While there has been speculation that the virus was developed in laboratories and released either accidently or as a form of bioterrorism, findings published in the journal Nature Medicine confirm COVID-19 is a product of natural evolution. The study was titled 'The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2' and highlights strong evidence for natural evolution. "By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes," says Kristian Andersen, PhD, corresponding author on the paper and associate professor of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research." That is pretty much true, but it tends to deflect from the real issue. Of course the virus is natural in origin but that doesn't mean that it hasn't been played with in a lab. There are still many things that we don't know but here are a few things that we do. 1. The virus originated in Bats. 2. The Wuhan wet market did not sell Bats 3. The Wuhan virology institute was experimenting with Bat derived Corona viruses and is just up the road from the market. 4. US diplomats circulated warnings about the bio security of the lab in early 2018 and Dr Shi Zhengli, who had been experimenting with Bat derived Corona viruses for over a decade, was well known in scientific circles for haphazard and sloppy security. 5. It is generally accepted that patient zero was an employee at the lab. To be fair he was also a regular at the wet market. So at best we have a chicken and egg scenario. 6. The doctors and scientists that tried to give early warning at the beginning of January were arrested for "spreading false rumours" and their research papers were either destroyed or deleted. 7. All samples of the virus in the lab were destroyed, reports were erased, and academic papers suppressed. 8. The hierarchy of the CCP (including President Xi) sat on the information for nearly a full week. No doubt while they covered their own arses. So do I think that the Chinese deliberately developed a virus and released on the world? Of course not. However I do think that this is a combination of a Wuhan lab experiment gone wrong and the mother of all cover ups by the Chinese Communist Party (Government) | |||
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"My question is : do the chinese eat rather questionable things through choice, or do they not have an option? " One person's questionable food is another's banquet. | |||
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"There is very strong evidence that this was a laboratory created virus. No, there really isn't any scientific evidence to back that up and loads that says it definitely isn't man made. New findings from the Scripps Research Institute confirm the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus has natural origins and was not made in a laboratory or artificial setting, as many have speculated. To reach the conclusion the team used analysed public genome sequence data from SARS-CoV-2 released by China and identified several tell-tale signs suggesting COVID-19 is an organic virus. While there has been speculation that the virus was developed in laboratories and released either accidently or as a form of bioterrorism, findings published in the journal Nature Medicine confirm COVID-19 is a product of natural evolution. The study was titled 'The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2' and highlights strong evidence for natural evolution. "By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes," says Kristian Andersen, PhD, corresponding author on the paper and associate professor of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research. That is pretty much true, but it tends to deflect from the real issue. Of course the virus is natural in origin but that doesn't mean that it hasn't been played with in a lab. There are still many things that we don't know but here are a few things that we do. 1. The virus originated in Bats. 2. The Wuhan wet market did not sell Bats 3. The Wuhan virology institute was experimenting with Bat derived Corona viruses and is just up the road from the market. 4. US diplomats circulated warnings about the bio security of the lab in early 2018 and Dr Shi Zhengli, who had been experimenting with Bat derived Corona viruses for over a decade, was well known in scientific circles for haphazard and sloppy security. 5. It is generally accepted that patient zero was an employee at the lab. To be fair he was also a regular at the wet market. So at best we have a chicken and egg scenario. 6. The doctors and scientists that tried to give early warning at the beginning of January were arrested for "spreading false rumours" and their research papers were either destroyed or deleted. 7. All samples of the virus in the lab were destroyed, reports were erased, and academic papers suppressed. 8. The hierarchy of the CCP (including President Xi) sat on the information for nearly a full week. No doubt while they covered their own arses. So do I think that the Chinese deliberately developed a virus and released on the world? Of course not. However I do think that this is a combination of a Wuhan lab experiment gone wrong and the mother of all cover ups by the Chinese Communist Party (Government) " Sounds just like a lot of the conspiracy bs I've seen on bookface. You can prove all that of course....?
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"There is very strong evidence that this was a laboratory created virus. No, there really isn't any scientific evidence to back that up and loads that says it definitely isn't man made. New findings from the Scripps Research Institute confirm the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus has natural origins and was not made in a laboratory or artificial setting, as many have speculated. To reach the conclusion the team used analysed public genome sequence data from SARS-CoV-2 released by China and identified several tell-tale signs suggesting COVID-19 is an organic virus. While there has been speculation that the virus was developed in laboratories and released either accidently or as a form of bioterrorism, findings published in the journal Nature Medicine confirm COVID-19 is a product of natural evolution. The study was titled 'The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2' and highlights strong evidence for natural evolution. "By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes," says Kristian Andersen, PhD, corresponding author on the paper and associate professor of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research. That is pretty much true, but it tends to deflect from the real issue. Of course the virus is natural in origin but that doesn't mean that it hasn't been played with in a lab. There are still many things that we don't know but here are a few things that we do. 1. The virus originated in Bats. 2. The Wuhan wet market did not sell Bats 3. The Wuhan virology institute was experimenting with Bat derived Corona viruses and is just up the road from the market. 4. US diplomats circulated warnings about the bio security of the lab in early 2018 and Dr Shi Zhengli, who had been experimenting with Bat derived Corona viruses for over a decade, was well known in scientific circles for haphazard and sloppy security. 5. It is generally accepted that patient zero was an employee at the lab. To be fair he was also a regular at the wet market. So at best we have a chicken and egg scenario. 6. The doctors and scientists that tried to give early warning at the beginning of January were arrested for "spreading false rumours" and their research papers were either destroyed or deleted. 7. All samples of the virus in the lab were destroyed, reports were erased, and academic papers suppressed. 8. The hierarchy of the CCP (including President Xi) sat on the information for nearly a full week. No doubt while they covered their own arses. So do I think that the Chinese deliberately developed a virus and released on the world? Of course not. However I do think that this is a combination of a Wuhan lab experiment gone wrong and the mother of all cover ups by the Chinese Communist Party (Government) Sounds just like a lot of the conspiracy bs I've seen on bookface. You can prove all that of course....?
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"There is very strong evidence that this was a laboratory created virus. No, there really isn't any scientific evidence to back that up and loads that says it definitely isn't man made. New findings from the Scripps Research Institute confirm the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus has natural origins and was not made in a laboratory or artificial setting, as many have speculated. To reach the conclusion the team used analysed public genome sequence data from SARS-CoV-2 released by China and identified several tell-tale signs suggesting COVID-19 is an organic virus. While there has been speculation that the virus was developed in laboratories and released either accidently or as a form of bioterrorism, findings published in the journal Nature Medicine confirm COVID-19 is a product of natural evolution. The study was titled 'The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2' and highlights strong evidence for natural evolution. "By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes," says Kristian Andersen, PhD, corresponding author on the paper and associate professor of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research. That is pretty much true, but it tends to deflect from the real issue. Of course the virus is natural in origin but that doesn't mean that it hasn't been played with in a lab. There are still many things that we don't know but here are a few things that we do. 1. The virus originated in Bats. 2. The Wuhan wet market did not sell Bats 3. The Wuhan virology institute was experimenting with Bat derived Corona viruses and is just up the road from the market. 4. US diplomats circulated warnings about the bio security of the lab in early 2018 and Dr Shi Zhengli, who had been experimenting with Bat derived Corona viruses for over a decade, was well known in scientific circles for haphazard and sloppy security. 5. It is generally accepted that patient zero was an employee at the lab. To be fair he was also a regular at the wet market. So at best we have a chicken and egg scenario. 6. The doctors and scientists that tried to give early warning at the beginning of January were arrested for "spreading false rumours" and their research papers were either destroyed or deleted. 7. All samples of the virus in the lab were destroyed, reports were erased, and academic papers suppressed. 8. The hierarchy of the CCP (including President Xi) sat on the information for nearly a full week. No doubt while they covered their own arses. So do I think that the Chinese deliberately developed a virus and released on the world? Of course not. However I do think that this is a combination of a Wuhan lab experiment gone wrong and the mother of all cover ups by the Chinese Communist Party (Government) Sounds just like a lot of the conspiracy bs I've seen on bookface. You can prove all that of course....?
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Now being reported in mainstream press where without proper scrutiny they risk libel. So while a few days ago it was a bit iffy now it is becoming a lot more accepted.
I'm pretty sure that more will come out in the fullness of time. That lot is only the start."Cant be arsed to address all points. But there's plenty of videos circulating of Wuhan markets clearly showing bats on sale. So if the theory falls down that early in the chain....doesn't bode well for the rest.
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"There is very strong evidence that this was a laboratory created virus. No, there really isn't any scientific evidence to back that up and loads that says it definitely isn't man made. New findings from the Scripps Research Institute confirm the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus has natural origins and was not made in a laboratory or artificial setting, as many have speculated. To reach the conclusion the team used analysed public genome sequence data from SARS-CoV-2 released by China and identified several tell-tale signs suggesting COVID-19 is an organic virus. While there has been speculation that the virus was developed in laboratories and released either accidently or as a form of bioterrorism, findings published in the journal Nature Medicine confirm COVID-19 is a product of natural evolution. The study was titled 'The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2' and highlights strong evidence for natural evolution. "By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes," says Kristian Andersen, PhD, corresponding author on the paper and associate professor of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research. That is pretty much true, but it tends to deflect from the real issue. Of course the virus is natural in origin but that doesn't mean that it hasn't been played with in a lab. There are still many things that we don't know but here are a few things that we do. 1. The virus originated in Bats. 2. The Wuhan wet market did not sell Bats 3. The Wuhan virology institute was experimenting with Bat derived Corona viruses and is just up the road from the market. 4. US diplomats circulated warnings about the bio security of the lab in early 2018 and Dr Shi Zhengli, who had been experimenting with Bat derived Corona viruses for over a decade, was well known in scientific circles for haphazard and sloppy security. 5. It is generally accepted that patient zero was an employee at the lab. To be fair he was also a regular at the wet market. So at best we have a chicken and egg scenario. 6. The doctors and scientists that tried to give early warning at the beginning of January were arrested for "spreading false rumours" and their research papers were either destroyed or deleted. 7. All samples of the virus in the lab were destroyed, reports were erased, and academic papers suppressed. 8. The hierarchy of the CCP (including President Xi) sat on the information for nearly a full week. No doubt while they covered their own arses. So do I think that the Chinese deliberately developed a virus and released on the world? Of course not. However I do think that this is a combination of a Wuhan lab experiment gone wrong and the mother of all cover ups by the Chinese Communist Party (Government) Sounds just like a lot of the conspiracy bs I've seen on bookface. You can prove all that of course....?
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Some of it did start out on some of the more dubious web sites.
Now being reported in mainstream press where without proper scrutiny they risk libel. So while a few days ago it was a bit iffy now it is becoming a lot more accepted.
I'm pretty sure that more will come out in the fullness of time. That lot is only the start.
Cant be arsed to address all points. But there's plenty of videos circulating of Wuhan markets clearly showing bats on sale.
So if the theory falls down that early in the chain....doesn't bode well for the rest.
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"Must admit to finding it strange as to how many on here want to jump to China's defence. Maybe it's because lefties will defend anything that describes itself as "Communist" Where the reality is that the CCP is as much fascist as Hitler ever was. Every point I made above is out there for all to see, from multiple sources. If in doubt, just google it. I stand by every word, and believe me there is much more to come. The Chinese Communist Party has fucked the world, and a slap on the wrist and "don't do it again" just isn't enough. One way or another they must pay. Perhaps a lot of people who think starting a trade war,and good luck with it,with 1 of the most powerful countries in the world,in the midst of a global pandemic,is not the smartest move?" Ah! So as long as they make the widgit that controls the knob that drives the thingy, they can get away with murder. Back off now and good luck with it the next time they fuck the world. Because they will. | |||
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"It's about a war tactic, make the other side seem like barbarians, heathens, aliens, wrong doers, anything negative to evoke hate and a separation from them being another human being, a threat, not like you & less than you. Just look at history... Nazi vs Jew's Hindus vs Muslim's Muslim's vs Christians Roman's vs pagans China vs Mongols White vs black Europeans on native Americans (north & south) Aborigines vs western prisoners Modern day abusers vs modern day abused Need I go on " Dandy vs Beano | |||
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"Must admit to finding it strange as to how many on here want to jump to China's defence. Maybe it's because lefties will defend anything that describes itself as "Communist" Where the reality is that the CCP is as much fascist as Hitler ever was. Every point I made above is out there for all to see, from multiple sources. If in doubt, just google it. I stand by every word, and believe me there is much more to come. The Chinese Communist Party has fucked the world, and a slap on the wrist and "don't do it again" just isn't enough. One way or another they must pay." I think it's more a case of waiting for reliable evidence before condemning anyone. Personally I don't trust anything that comes out of China, whether that's official Covid statistics or the mobile phone a bought a few years ago off Wish. I'd also agree that something smells a little fishy too. But I'm also not convinced that some aren't just trying to use China as the boogeyman to deflect from there own mishandling of this crisis. One thing I definitely don't believe is that Covid is in anyway man made even if there is some circumstantial evidence to suggest it might be. It just isn't. | |||
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"Obama gave $3.5 million to a lab in Wuhan to research Corona virus in labs in 2015 https://youtu.be/-9D59HeeYBY" And? .... | |||
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"Obama gave $3.5 million to a lab in Wuhan to research Corona virus in labs in 2015 https://youtu.be/-9D59HeeYBY" You do realise this corona virus is not THE corona virus. Coronaviruses are a group of viruses which cause respiratory failure and covid-19 is just one of them. There are already a handful in existence. Any research done in labs would most likely be on the ones we already knew about. | |||
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"Must admit to finding it strange as to how many on here want to jump to China's defence. Maybe it's because lefties will defend anything that describes itself as "Communist" Where the reality is that the CCP is as much fascist as Hitler ever was. Every point I made above is out there for all to see, from multiple sources. If in doubt, just google it. I stand by every word, and believe me there is much more to come. The Chinese Communist Party has fucked the world, and a slap on the wrist and "don't do it again" just isn't enough. One way or another they must pay. Perhaps a lot of people who think starting a trade war,and good luck with it,with 1 of the most powerful countries in the world,in the midst of a global pandemic,is not the smartest move?" Start? Where have you been for over 2 years China and the USA have been swinging their economies dicks in eachs others faces for years. China needs a strong dollar and ironically that's exactly what the USA has been giving them. Everytime the stock market falls they just print more dollars. Just wait until the dust has settles on the virus interest rates rise and parts of the world go into hyperinflation or stagnation. (I hope nobody drank the property is wealth Kool-Aid and has over leveraged themselves. Check history books for the 2008 financial crash) Who's gonna pay and held accountable for this... Taxpayers in every nation east and west. Global leaders don't care about your welfare they care about their image, ego, relection and grip on power. Just look at putin and msb starting an oil war in the midst of a global pandemic. Dead Dino juice is almost as cheap as bottled water in some countries Lots of people and political parties should be held accountable for this. Including the ccp, USA and yes as others have pointed out the uk government. Will they proababaly not... And taxpayers in all of those nation are probably debating on sex swinging sites across the globe. I find it weird that anyone would think one particular political ideology has all the answers to this and are whiter than whiter. The world isn't back and white... Its shades of grey. You can call me... dorian mwhahaha. | |||
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"Obama gave $3.5 million to a lab in Wuhan to research Corona virus in labs in 2015 https://youtu.be/-9D59HeeYBY You do realise this corona virus is not THE corona virus. Coronaviruses are a group of viruses which cause respiratory failure and covid-19 is just one of them. There are already a handful in existence. Any research done in labs would most likely be on the ones we already knew about. " It's a waste of time trying to talk sense to these people. Conspiracies are like a religion to them, and you'll never convince them that they are wrong. | |||
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"Obama gave $3.5 million to a lab in Wuhan to research Corona virus in labs in 2015 https://youtu.be/-9D59HeeYBY You do realise this corona virus is not THE corona virus. Coronaviruses are a group of viruses which cause respiratory failure and covid-19 is just one of them. There are already a handful in existence. Any research done in labs would most likely be on the ones we already knew about. It's a waste of time trying to talk sense to these people. Conspiracies are like a religion to them, and you'll never convince them that they are wrong." It's very easy to make angry and confused people point their fingers at China with some entertaining YouTube videos. | |||
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"My question is : do the chinese eat rather questionable things through choice, or do they not have an option? One person's questionable food is another's banquet." Hunting animals (elephant, rhino, tiger, etc) to near extinction for traditional medicine is that a banquet? | |||
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"My question is : do the chinese eat rather questionable things through choice, or do they not have an option? One person's questionable food is another's banquet. Hunting animals (elephant, rhino, tiger, etc) to near extinction for traditional medicine is that a banquet? " 
I don't understand how any country that has food standards so low they cause a dangerous pandemic that kills and causes an economic disaster around the world can not only continue on a dangerous path but is defended!
That means more pandemics in tbe future if not addressed, whether they do it for cultural or resons or out of poverty it cant be allowed to continue | |||
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" I don't understand how any country that has food standards so low they cause a dangerous pandemic that kills and causes an economic disaster around the world can not only continue on a dangerous path but is defended! That means more pandemics in tbe future if not addressed, whether they do it for cultural or resons or out of poverty it cant be allowed to continue " I thought I read somewhere that Beijing had closed all of the wet markets, or has that not happened? | |||
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"My question is : do the chinese eat rather questionable things through choice, or do they not have an option? One person's questionable food is another's banquet. Hunting animals (elephant, rhino, tiger, etc) to near extinction for traditional medicine is that a banquet?
I don't understand how any country that has food standards so low they cause a dangerous pandemic that kills and causes an economic disaster around the world can not only continue on a dangerous path but is defended!
That means more pandemics in tbe future if not addressed, whether they do it for cultural or resons or out of poverty it cant be allowed to continue "Hold your cows there The uk had the cdj epidemic in 1996 after dead cows were fed to live ones. I wouldn't call that high food standards. I'd agree china's handling of the virus has been poor but you can't dictate to another nation what they are allowed to eat. I think snails and caviara are disgusting. Both meats require a period of time to purge parasites before eating them. Nobodies telling France and russia to ban those sales. In fact they are some the most expensive meat you can buy You can impose bans and sanctions on the import of the Chinese meats you alluded to. Just like the EU Russia America and pretty much the rest of the world banned UK beef for over 10 years. | |||
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" The uk had the cdj epidemic in 1996 after dead cows were fed to live ones. I wouldn't call that high food standards. " No that was truly revolting. We stopped it though. | |||
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"My question is : do the chinese eat rather questionable things through choice, or do they not have an option? One person's questionable food is another's banquet. Hunting animals (elephant, rhino, tiger, etc) to near extinction for traditional medicine is that a banquet?
I don't understand how any country that has food standards so low they cause a dangerous pandemic that kills and causes an economic disaster around the world can not only continue on a dangerous path but is defended!
That means more pandemics in tbe future if not addressed, whether they do it for cultural or resons or out of poverty it cant be allowed to continue
Hold your cows there
The uk had the cdj epidemic in 1996 after dead cows were fed to live ones. I wouldn't call that high food standards.
I'd agree china's handling of the virus has been poor but you can't dictate to another nation what they are allowed to eat.
I think snails and caviara are disgusting. Both meats require a period of time to purge parasites before eating them.
Nobodies telling France and russia to ban those sales. In fact they are some the most expensive meat you can buy
You can impose bans and sanctions on the import of the Chinese meats you alluded to.
Just like the EU Russia America and pretty much the rest of the world banned UK beef for over 10 years.
"No you hold you cows, elephants, rhinos and tiger and all the other endangered species The Chinese believe in hunting animals near to extinction in the name of traditional medicine. These animals are not culled humanely they are butchered to death, tortured, massacred is that really the same? There is an international ban on ivory and tiger products and such like, yet still a big demand in China. Do you think its acceptable? Just a simple yes or no will do. | |||
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"My question is : do the chinese eat rather questionable things through choice, or do they not have an option? One person's questionable food is another's banquet. Hunting animals (elephant, rhino, tiger, etc) to near extinction for traditional medicine is that a banquet?
I don't understand how any country that has food standards so low they cause a dangerous pandemic that kills and causes an economic disaster around the world can not only continue on a dangerous path but is defended!
That means more pandemics in tbe future if not addressed, whether they do it for cultural or resons or out of poverty it cant be allowed to continue " | |||
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"The level of political illiteracy on these forums is absolutely staggering. Heresay, half-truths and downright lies peddled as 'fact' by people who haven't got a clue what they're talking about, or gullible idiots swallowing it whole and jumping to false conclusions make up about 90% of the posts on here. I can only pray that our political leaders are better informed and more intelligent than the majority of fab members, or we're all well and truly fucked. "Don't think it's bad for a sex site tbh | |||
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"Nope the who advised against travel bans The who advised against masks The who ignored Thai information regarding human to human transmission of covid19 The who are currently refusing Thailand entry to the who as China does not recognise them as an independent country. That's why funding was pulled you are to dense to have been following this since November Probably still think the proposed travel ban he suggested in January was big mean racism ??" What ill informed claptrap | |||
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"There is very strong evidence that this was a laboratory created virus." Actually there isnt. The virus genome doesn't support this sort of ridiculous conspiracy theory. It belongs in the same bin as the 5G nonsense | |||
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"Nope the who advised against travel bans The who advised against masks The who ignored Thai information regarding human to human transmission of covid19 The who are currently refusing Thailand entry to the who as China does not recognise them as an independent country. That's why funding was pulled you are to dense to have been following this since November Probably still think the proposed travel ban he suggested in January was big mean racism ??" All good points | |||
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"My question is : do the chinese eat rather questionable things through choice, or do they not have an option? One person's questionable food is another's banquet. Hunting animals (elephant, rhino, tiger, etc) to near extinction for traditional medicine is that a banquet?
I don't understand how any country that has food standards so low they cause a dangerous pandemic that kills and causes an economic disaster around the world can not only continue on a dangerous path but is defended!
That means more pandemics in tbe future if not addressed, whether they do it for cultural or resons or out of poverty it cant be allowed to continue
Hold your cows there
The uk had the cdj epidemic in 1996 after dead cows were fed to live ones. I wouldn't call that high food standards.
I'd agree china's handling of the virus has been poor but you can't dictate to another nation what they are allowed to eat.
I think snails and caviara are disgusting. Both meats require a period of time to purge parasites before eating them.
Nobodies telling France and russia to ban those sales. In fact they are some the most expensive meat you can buy
You can impose bans and sanctions on the import of the Chinese meats you alluded to.
Just like the EU Russia America and pretty much the rest of the world banned UK beef for over 10 years.
No you hold you cows, elephants, rhinos and tiger and all the other endangered species
The Chinese believe in hunting animals near to extinction in the name of traditional medicine.
These animals are not culled humanely they are butchered to death, tortured, massacred is that really the same?
There is an international ban on ivory and tiger products and such like, yet still a big demand in China.
Do you think its acceptable? Just a simple yes or no will do.
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"I'm going to China to work once this is over I'm going to be horrible to them all" Enjoy your time in a chinese prison then.... they're not as lenient as the wishy washy nanny state of the UK | |||
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"My question is : do the chinese eat rather questionable things through choice, or do they not have an option? One person's questionable food is another's banquet. Hunting animals (elephant, rhino, tiger, etc) to near extinction for traditional medicine is that a banquet?
I don't understand how any country that has food standards so low they cause a dangerous pandemic that kills and causes an economic disaster around the world can not only continue on a dangerous path but is defended!
That means more pandemics in tbe future if not addressed, whether they do it for cultural or resons or out of poverty it cant be allowed to continue
Hold your cows there
The uk had the cdj epidemic in 1996 after dead cows were fed to live ones. I wouldn't call that high food standards.
I'd agree china's handling of the virus has been poor but you can't dictate to another nation what they are allowed to eat.
I think snails and caviara are disgusting. Both meats require a period of time to purge parasites before eating them.
Nobodies telling France and russia to ban those sales. In fact they are some the most expensive meat you can buy
You can impose bans and sanctions on the import of the Chinese meats you alluded to.
Just like the EU Russia America and pretty much the rest of the world banned UK beef for over 10 years.
No you hold you cows, elephants, rhinos and tiger and all the other endangered species
The Chinese believe in hunting animals near to extinction in the name of traditional medicine.
These animals are not culled humanely they are butchered to death, tortured, massacred is that really the same?
There is an international ban on ivory and tiger products and such like, yet still a big demand in China.
Do you think its acceptable? Just a simple yes or no will do.
You appear to have changed the argument from which animals it's okay to eat to hunting endangered animals.
Not sure why you've done that."Not at all you said one person's questionable food is anothers banquet. I just simple asked if you find it acceptable that the Chinese will hunt endangered animals to the point of extinction in the name of traditional medicine. Like many of your post you deflect from answering. Just a simple yes or no? | |||
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"My question is : do the chinese eat rather questionable things through choice, or do they not have an option? One person's questionable food is another's banquet. Hunting animals (elephant, rhino, tiger, etc) to near extinction for traditional medicine is that a banquet?
I don't understand how any country that has food standards so low they cause a dangerous pandemic that kills and causes an economic disaster around the world can not only continue on a dangerous path but is defended!
That means more pandemics in tbe future if not addressed, whether they do it for cultural or resons or out of poverty it cant be allowed to continue
Hold your cows there
The uk had the cdj epidemic in 1996 after dead cows were fed to live ones. I wouldn't call that high food standards.
I'd agree china's handling of the virus has been poor but you can't dictate to another nation what they are allowed to eat.
I think snails and caviara are disgusting. Both meats require a period of time to purge parasites before eating them.
Nobodies telling France and russia to ban those sales. In fact they are some the most expensive meat you can buy
You can impose bans and sanctions on the import of the Chinese meats you alluded to.
Just like the EU Russia America and pretty much the rest of the world banned UK beef for over 10 years.
No you hold you cows, elephants, rhinos and tiger and all the other endangered species
The Chinese believe in hunting animals near to extinction in the name of traditional medicine.
These animals are not culled humanely they are butchered to death, tortured, massacred is that really the same?
There is an international ban on ivory and tiger products and such like, yet still a big demand in China.
Do you think its acceptable? Just a simple yes or no will do.
You appear to have changed the argument from which animals it's okay to eat to hunting endangered animals.
Not sure why you've done that.
Not at all you said one person's questionable food is anothers banquet.
I just simple asked if you find it acceptable that the Chinese will hunt endangered animals to the point of extinction in the name of traditional medicine.
Like many of your post you deflect from answering.
Just a simple yes or no?
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"Obama gave $3.5 million to a lab in Wuhan to research Corona virus in labs in 2015 https://youtu.be/-9D59HeeYBY You do realise this corona virus is not THE corona virus. Coronaviruses are a group of viruses which cause respiratory failure and covid-19 is just one of them. There are already a handful in existence. Any research done in labs would most likely be on the ones we already knew about. It's a waste of time trying to talk sense to these people. Conspiracies are like a religion to them, and you'll never convince them that they are wrong." Only Obama and Fauci both talked about pandemics as early as 2014 Then you have also a rocketfella foundation lockstep report from 2010 describing exactly the situation we are in now. And you also have this. https://youtu.be/5krD8zJ6-bY | |||
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"My question is : do the chinese eat rather questionable things through choice, or do they not have an option? One person's questionable food is another's banquet. Hunting animals (elephant, rhino, tiger, etc) to near extinction for traditional medicine is that a banquet?
I don't understand how any country that has food standards so low they cause a dangerous pandemic that kills and causes an economic disaster around the world can not only continue on a dangerous path but is defended!
That means more pandemics in tbe future if not addressed, whether they do it for cultural or resons or out of poverty it cant be allowed to continue
Hold your cows there
The uk had the cdj epidemic in 1996 after dead cows were fed to live ones. I wouldn't call that high food standards.
I'd agree china's handling of the virus has been poor but you can't dictate to another nation what they are allowed to eat.
I think snails and caviara are disgusting. Both meats require a period of time to purge parasites before eating them.
Nobodies telling France and russia to ban those sales. In fact they are some the most expensive meat you can buy
You can impose bans and sanctions on the import of the Chinese meats you alluded to.
Just like the EU Russia America and pretty much the rest of the world banned UK beef for over 10 years.
No you hold you cows, elephants, rhinos and tiger and all the other endangered species
The Chinese believe in hunting animals near to extinction in the name of traditional medicine.
These animals are not culled humanely they are butchered to death, tortured, massacred is that really the same?
There is an international ban on ivory and tiger products and such like, yet still a big demand in China.
Do you think its acceptable? Just a simple yes or no will do.
You appear to have changed the argument from which animals it's okay to eat to hunting endangered animals.
Not sure why you've done that.
Not at all you said one person's questionable food is anothers banquet.
I just simple asked if you find it acceptable that the Chinese will hunt endangered animals to the point of extinction in the name of traditional medicine.
Like many of your post you deflect from answering.
Just a simple yes or no?
I'm not in favour of hunting endangered species by people of any nationality.
I'm not in favour of you asking irrelevant questions in an attempt to "win"."It's not a case of winning or loosing nor is it irrelevant to ask you your opinion on the illegal trade on endangered species in the name of traditional Chinese medicine. I agree with you hunting and trading in endangered species is wrong. | |||
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"Getting a bit tired of people seemingly out for Chinese blood at the moment. Yes, we could sanction them. But what exactly would that achieve, apart from opening a huge can of worms? Imagine if countries started backdating reparation claims to those who'd fucked them over - the UK and US would be at the top of many lists. The lies that the Chinese government have told have cost many lives and I'm incredibly angry about that too, but do you really think they are the first and only government to ever lie about anything? One has to wonder if there would be such an uproar had the virus originated in a less... "exotic" part of the world. " So if your next door neighbour did something that perhaps destroyed the quality of your life or even killed some of your family, you'd be perfectly okay with that, and wouldn't expect any sort of recompense? | |||
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"Getting a bit tired of people seemingly out for Chinese blood at the moment. Yes, we could sanction them. But what exactly would that achieve, apart from opening a huge can of worms? Imagine if countries started backdating reparation claims to those who'd fucked them over - the UK and US would be at the top of many lists. The lies that the Chinese government have told have cost many lives and I'm incredibly angry about that too, but do you really think they are the first and only government to ever lie about anything? One has to wonder if there would be such an uproar had the virus originated in a less... "exotic" part of the world. So if your next door neighbour did something that perhaps destroyed the quality of your life or even killed some of your family, you'd be perfectly okay with that, and wouldn't expect any sort of recompense?" Your argument is tenuous at best. The two situations are totally incomparable. | |||
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"Getting a bit tired of people seemingly out for Chinese blood at the moment. Yes, we could sanction them. But what exactly would that achieve, apart from opening a huge can of worms? Imagine if countries started backdating reparation claims to those who'd fucked them over - the UK and US would be at the top of many lists. The lies that the Chinese government have told have cost many lives and I'm incredibly angry about that too, but do you really think they are the first and only government to ever lie about anything? One has to wonder if there would be such an uproar had the virus originated in a less... "exotic" part of the world. So if your next door neighbour did something that perhaps destroyed the quality of your life or even killed some of your family, you'd be perfectly okay with that, and wouldn't expect any sort of recompense?" In this situation I would suggest that the first thing to do is to make sure that your suspected neighbor is investigated to find out the facts of the situation. And not just lynched by a mob who watched some conspiracy theory videos on YouTube about him/her. | |||
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"So it will be ok the let China and other nations continue to behave in so many ways which are clearly against the interests of the Planet and the wild life which tries to live on it Not to mention Us." Such as starting wars in the middle east based on lies (the USA), selling arms to dubious governments who indiscriminately use them on civilians (the UK), use child labour in unsafe environments (much of the far east, India, mining in many African countries, use widespread deforestation for agricultural/farming purposes (many South American nations).....where would you like to draw the lines? As most countries of the world could be included in your definition of those behaving in ways against the interests of the planet. A | |||
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"Getting a bit tired of people seemingly out for Chinese blood at the moment. Yes, we could sanction them. But what exactly would that achieve, apart from opening a huge can of worms? Imagine if countries started backdating reparation claims to those who'd fucked them over - the UK and US would be at the top of many lists. The lies that the Chinese government have told have cost many lives and I'm incredibly angry about that too, but do you really think they are the first and only government to ever lie about anything? One has to wonder if there would be such an uproar had the virus originated in a less... "exotic" part of the world. So if your next door neighbour did something that perhaps destroyed the quality of your life or even killed some of your family, you'd be perfectly okay with that, and wouldn't expect any sort of recompense? In this situation I would suggest that the first thing to do is to make sure that your suspected neighbor is investigated to find out the facts of the situation. And not just lynched by a mob who watched some conspiracy theory videos on YouTube about him/her." I doubt any 'mob' will be able to lynch China, even if they have watched a few YouTube videos 
There are, I believe, investigations ongoing, but surely this is about changing unacceptable, dangerous and unnecessary practices that have a very negative global impact.
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"Getting a bit tired of people seemingly out for Chinese blood at the moment. Yes, we could sanction them. But what exactly would that achieve, apart from opening a huge can of worms? Imagine if countries started backdating reparation claims to those who'd fucked them over - the UK and US would be at the top of many lists. The lies that the Chinese government have told have cost many lives and I'm incredibly angry about that too, but do you really think they are the first and only government to ever lie about anything? One has to wonder if there would be such an uproar had the virus originated in a less... "exotic" part of the world. So if your next door neighbour did something that perhaps destroyed the quality of your life or even killed some of your family, you'd be perfectly okay with that, and wouldn't expect any sort of recompense? In this situation I would suggest that the first thing to do is to make sure that your suspected neighbor is investigated to find out the facts of the situation. And not just lynched by a mob who watched some conspiracy theory videos on YouTube about him/her. I doubt any 'mob' will be able to lynch China, even if they have watched a few YouTube videos
There are, I believe, investigations ongoing, but surely this is about changing unacceptable, dangerous and unnecessary practices that have a very negative global impact.
"You started the neighbor anology. Not me. We should start by changing our behaviours that cause climate change. Which will be way worse than this. Then we can look at the arms industry, and the oil industry. There's a lot to get done. | |||
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"Does anyone remember when the UK went to war with China over the right for Jardine/Matheson to sell opium to the Chinese? Not really relevant. " Nobody alive remembers it - but it is relevant; in as much as the Chinese haven't forgotten how the UK treated them back then. There's plenty wrong with the Chinese government, as Tom Tugenhadt is always saying - and he's right. What he and the rest of the "China Bad" mob are wrong about is that the UK and USA are going to be able to do anything about the damage done by Covid 19, by going after China. They're a police state of over 13bn people. Their ability to ride out the coming global recession is greater than ours. China does not need to heed the complaints of the international community any more than the USA does. The Emperor had to suck it up in the 1800's when Queen Victoria's government fucked his country over. Now the boot is firmly on the other foot - and Tom and all the people who think like him will just have to suck it up, too. All the bleating and moaning - it's not going to make any difference to the Chinese government; or the Chinese people, who are entitled to be as proud of their country as anyone else is. | |||
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"Does anyone remember when the UK went to war with China over the right for Jardine/Matheson to sell opium to the Chinese? Not really relevant. Nobody alive remembers it - but it is relevant; in as much as the Chinese haven't forgotten how the UK treated them back then. There's plenty wrong with the Chinese government, as Tom Tugenhadt is always saying - and he's right. What he and the rest of the "China Bad" mob are wrong about is that the UK and USA are going to be able to do anything about the damage done by Covid 19, by going after China. They're a police state of over 13bn people. Their ability to ride out the coming global recession is greater than ours. China does not need to heed the complaints of the international community any more than the USA does. The Emperor had to suck it up in the 1800's when Queen Victoria's government fucked his country over. Now the boot is firmly on the other foot - and Tom and all the people who think like him will just have to suck it up, too. All the bleating and moaning - it's not going to make any difference to the Chinese government; or the Chinese people, who are entitled to be as proud of their country as anyone else is." Oooops! 1.3bn people. Sorry. | |||
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"Getting a bit tired of people seemingly out for Chinese blood at the moment. Yes, we could sanction them. But what exactly would that achieve, apart from opening a huge can of worms? Imagine if countries started backdating reparation claims to those who'd fucked them over - the UK and US would be at the top of many lists. The lies that the Chinese government have told have cost many lives and I'm incredibly angry about that too, but do you really think they are the first and only government to ever lie about anything? One has to wonder if there would be such an uproar had the virus originated in a less... "exotic" part of the world. So if your next door neighbour did something that perhaps destroyed the quality of your life or even killed some of your family, you'd be perfectly okay with that, and wouldn't expect any sort of recompense?" | |||
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