FabSwingers.com forum: Boycott China trade?

By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

While the pandemic rages, everyone’s focus should rightly be on getting the UK out of this as effectively as possible and protecting our NHS.

Once the dust settles , surely the whole world should hold China accountable? It’s become obvious they played the virus down to begin with, and now ,even after all this, the (supposed) cause of the virus, their disgusting wet markets, are still trading.

Surely until China cleans up its act, the obvious solution is for governments around the globe to impose hefty import duties on Chinese goods to deter imports, and for the public to actually read where a product is manufactured before parting with their cash

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By *arleyfatboy2019Couple
over a year ago

Devon

I think the world as a whole should add a couple of % to their trade tariffs to try and recoup some money. China need to be made aware that enough is enough. They’ve caused this. They should pay.

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

"I think the world as a whole should add a couple of % to their trade tariffs to try and recoup some money. China need to be made aware that enough is enough. They’ve caused this. They should pay. "

It would need to be more than a couple of % to make it effective

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By *AKCoupleUKCouple
over a year ago

newport

We were well aware of this virus in January but our government didn't take it serious.

Flights are still landing and taking off

There were petitions before the government finally agreed to shutdown school

Finally we went on a so called "lockdown" after shit got out of hand

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

I read somewhere the USA gave China $3m in grants to work on the coronavirus and it escaped the lab.

So are we going to blame the Americans as well?

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

"I read somewhere the USA gave China $3m in grants to work on the coronavirus and it escaped the lab.

So are we going to blame the Americans as well?"

Did you ever read viz aswell? Remember roger irrelevant?

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By *AKCoupleUKCouple
over a year ago

newport

"I read somewhere the USA gave China $3m in grants to work on the coronavirus and it escaped the lab.

So are we going to blame the Americans as well?"

Some research was being done on bats sponsored by Americans after the research the bats were sent to the wet market and from there it all started

I think it read it on daily mail

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I read somewhere the USA gave China $3m in grants to work on the coronavirus and it escaped the lab.

So are we going to blame the Americans as well?

Did you ever read viz aswell? Remember roger irrelevant?"

I'll leave you to your xenophobic rantings...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of equipment and PPE we use at the moment comes from China.

We need it and more, other viruses have come from other countries like Ebola etc. do we do the same for them as well?

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

I don't think we could ever totally boycott China, we (meaning the whole of the western world) are just too reliant on them.

However the behaviour of their government (aided and abetted by the WHO) has been despicable and they must face consequences.

The Jury is still out on whether or not the virus originated in a Wuhan lab. But what is certain is that the Chinese government hid the truth from the world for many weeks, and we are now paying a terrible price.

I would set punitive tariffs and even ban the import of some types of goods from China. Of course they could reciprocate but currently the trade balance is so skewed in their favour we would hardly notice the difference.

I read the other day that the Japanese government are offering up to a billion dollars in subsidies to encourage Japanese company's to switch manufacturing from China back to Japan. Maybe it is the start.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow I’ve never read such nonsense. We are tied to China because of they are the manufacturing superpower. Putting an import tax on their goods pushes our prices up and for a struggling economy post covid, hyperinflation would probably kill more of the population in food and medicine shortages as it wouldn’t only affect the most poorly like covid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think we could ever totally boycott China, we (meaning the whole of the western world) are just too reliant on them.

However the behaviour of their government (aided and abetted by the WHO) has been despicable and they must face consequences.

I think other countries, including the UK will follow suit. I don’t think it’s the end of globalisation, but certainly a tempering.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"We were well aware of this virus in January but our government didn't take it serious.

Flights are still landing and taking off

There were petitions before the government finally agreed to shutdown school

Finally we went on a so called "lockdown" after shit got out of hand

we may well have been aware of it in january but a doc alerted the chinese authorities about it november time and was told to keep quiet.so that meqns the chinese gov knew about it fir a month or two before letting anyone else know.now how many were allowed to fly of round the world spreading it in that month or so.and as for the numbers coming out of china they should be taken with a massive pinch of salt.no doubt someone will be along soon to shout racism about the op or anyone who dares to agree with it.do i think its man made no i dont as nature always punches us in the face once in a while.do i think the chinese gov were more concerned about there economy than about this spreading without a doubt i do.id be more than happy to see china punished economicly it may be the kick in the bollox they need to get there act together

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By *acavityMan
over a year ago

Redditch

Not for any political reasons but yes, we should.

In fact, we should revive the "Buy British" campaign

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By *hromosexualsCouple
over a year ago

Near Abercynon

Trump has been playing the virus down from the start too... should we boycott America?

Sometimes a virus just happens, I don’t think the blame game helps.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Best leave economic decisions to people who know what they are on about.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"A lot of equipment and PPE we use at the moment comes from China.

We need it and more, other viruses have come from other countries like Ebola etc. do we do the same for them as well?

Of course Britain, Europe, and the US are too stupid to make face masks.

BTW. Ebola didn't "come" from anywhere. It was quickly isolated and never really got out of Africa. It couldn't have "come" because it didn't arrive.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I don't think we could ever totally boycott China, we (meaning the whole of the western world) are just too reliant on them.

However the behaviour of their government (aided and abetted by the WHO) has been despicable and they must face consequences.

I think if the rest of the globe embark on a trade war with China then there will be detrimental effects to some of the countries who as you rightly point out are reliant on components for manufacturers..

Absolutely agree that with the hit the economy will take that there are opportunities to up skill/transfer workers into areas where we can be less reliant on China..

On a personal level we can where possible avoid buying from there but even when buying a good quality product from here or Germany usually, your never sure what's inside it..

It's their record on human rights that influences that, no doubt with this issue that may make others focus on what they buy..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Best leave economic decisions to people who know what they are on about. "

We are all to a point in charge of our own economic decisions, when consumers buy less from a supplier or even boycott that has an impact..

Maybe we need Delia to give us a pointer..

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Wow I’ve never read such nonsense. We are tied to China because of they are the manufacturing superpower. Putting an import tax on their goods pushes our prices up and for a struggling economy post covid, hyperinflation would probably kill more of the population in food and medicine shortages as it wouldn’t only affect the most poorly like covid. "

Last time I looked we didn't buy much food and medicine from China. Plenty of unnecessary tat though.

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

"I read somewhere the USA gave China $3m in grants to work on the coronavirus and it escaped the lab.

So are we going to blame the Americans as well?

Did you ever read viz aswell? Remember roger irrelevant?

I'll leave you to your xenophobic rantings..."

Before you do, I think you should research the meaning of xenophobia.

Nothing xenophobic about my post, and it wasn’t a rant.

It’s a valid question, should China be held accountable, and forced to do something about the mess they’ve caused .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not for any political reasons but yes, we should.

In fact, we should revive the "Buy British" campaign"

I remember this last time with Maggie standing in front of a Mini Metro. Just for clarity. I am NOT driving a Mini Metro for anyone!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not for any political reasons but yes, we should.

In fact, we should revive the "Buy British" campaign

I remember this last time with Maggie standing in front of a Mini Metro. Just for clarity. I am NOT driving a Mini Metro for anyone!!

Not even if it’s got a sun roof ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not for any political reasons but yes, we should.

In fact, we should revive the "Buy British" campaign

I remember this last time with Maggie standing in front of a Mini Metro. Just for clarity. I am NOT driving a Mini Metro for anyone!!

Not even if it’s got a sun roof ?

No! Because they leaked!

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London

"I don't think we could ever totally boycott China, we (meaning the whole of the western world) are just too reliant on them.

However the behaviour of their government (aided and abetted by the WHO) has been despicable and they must face consequences.

If that happens, we will end up paying a higher price for sone the products we buy, as labour costs in Japan are way higher than that in China.

Part of the reason manufacturing was moved to China, was to take advantage of the low labour costs, and those savings were passed on to us the consumers, hence why prices have dropped on some electronic products over the years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Too reliant on China and trade I am afraid. Look around you right now and everything is either made from China or components to make it have come from China. Issue with companies moving jobs for cheap labour and people buying cheap. Once you start adding tariffs on Chinese goods it will only harm those on lower incomes most.

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By *had MichaelMichaelsMan
over a year ago

tobermore

"Trump has been playing the virus down from the start too... should we boycott America?

Sometimes a virus just happens, I don’t think the blame game helps."

Why do all these viruses that "just happen" originate in China.....??Trump also closed down air travel into America,saving thousands more lives....

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

I think we should use this as a time to reflect on becoming more independent with what we import.

I’ve been impressed by how British Industry has changed and adapted what it manufactures at this time.

If we can do it now, why can’t we carry it forward? Rely less on imports.

(Obviously this is quite simplistic and idealistic of me, but i think we should look into it)

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By *eah BabyCouple
over a year ago

Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria

I don’t think they will be made to pay although they should just for keeping it quiet, it’s peoples lives they have taken let alone the vast amount of money it will cost the countries highly infected.

How many will still buy from China? How many even look where something originated from before they buy something? My great uncle who was a Japanese prisoner of war made the garage take the Japanese spark plugs out of his car as he wanted nothing that came from Japan. So probably be a matter of taking things into your own hands, just depends how strongly you feel and what you believe is the right thing to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I seem to remember reading somewhere that our government are considering legal action i.e. suing China for damages - or in other words, getting the chinese to cover the costs of paying out for everyones 80% of wages etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have known about many shitty things going on, in China (and the rest of the world), before and couldn't care less, as long as we were getting our cheap goods... Why, when it appears they are actually changing a few things, will we boycott them now?!?

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By *ibbyhunterCouple
over a year ago

keighley

The governor of New York who is no supporter of Donald Trump said the other day that if China AND THE W.H.O. had warned the world two weeks earlier instead of covering up covid 19 then 90% of New Yorkers who have died might have been saved.

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

In my industry China is a dishonest producer on parts so I have a total ban in using there products.

They should be made accountable.

Sadly as they make cheap parts for people most won’t boycott them.

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By *hebritukCouple
over a year ago

London

Let’s have a trade war if the virus out break was not enough? No goods from China, we will soon be back to the Stone Age. Sounds like a little bit of xenophobic is showing its ugly face again!!!

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

China are one of the worlds largest manufacturers. To boycott them wouldn't be the best idea.

We have trade and manufacturing deals in place. These won't be written off because of what has happened.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"In my industry China is a dishonest producer on parts so I have a total ban in using there products.

They should be made accountable.

Sadly as they make cheap parts for people most won’t boycott them. "

In the car parts industry, a lot of product from German brands is actually made in China.

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By *pannerman1Man
over a year ago

Rugby's

I think its disgraceful how China has suppressed the number of deaths which are thought to be 10x the 3000 odd that have declared. Had the world known the truth, I would like to think governments worldwide would have acted more promptly.

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

Did anyone suggest boycotting the USA after they created a lie to start a war in the middle east that's resulted in many more deaths than this virus?

No.

Didn't think so.

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By *hromosexualsCouple
over a year ago

Near Abercynon

"Trump has been playing the virus down from the start too... should we boycott America?

Sometimes a virus just happens, I don’t think the blame game helps.

Why do all these viruses that "just happen" originate in China.....??Trump also closed down air travel into America,saving thousands more lives...."

Are you suggesting that every virus we have originated from China?

From the start Trump has said that it’s no big deal, it’s under control, churches will be packed by Easter...

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

I will be making more of an effort to support local businesses and buy British as much as possible from now on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read somewhere the USA gave China $3m in grants to work on the coronavirus and it escaped the lab.

So are we going to blame the Americans as well?

Some research was being done on bats sponsored by Americans after the research the bats were sent to the wet market and from there it all started

I think it read it on daily mail

Daily Mail....there you ho then...MUST be true....(removes tongue from cheek)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All this boycott China is bullshit.

You'll _oan like fuck when you got to pay £50 for a phone charger because it was made in the UK when the one from China use it be only £5.

And the US won't do anything as a multi billion dollar trade deal with China started April 1st. They will not want them pulling out of that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*go

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

It’s shouldn’t be about alienating one another. It should be about saying China you dropped the fucking ball on this one let’s not have another. Let’s work together in future and put a global system in place to stop this fuck up occurring again.

They are putting a stop to some of the crueler aspects of the market trade.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Brilliant idea OP.

Let's boycott trade with China.

Then all those millions and millions of ordinary blameless people who rely on the money to live will suffer.

Meanwhile the people who are at fault will probably carry on regardless ( assuming your facts about them being to blame is correct)

Let's face it, it's not going to bring back the people who have died and make the suffering of their families better.

But if you feel like boycotting them crack on.

Meanwhile I will carry on worrying about my family and friends.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If we totally boycotted china. I think the world economy would collapse.

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By *illdeeCouple
over a year ago

nr Edinburgh

"I read somewhere the USA gave China $3m in grants to work on the coronavirus and it escaped the lab.

So are we going to blame the Americans as well?

Did you ever read viz aswell? Remember roger irrelevant?"

Yet you are on here spouting nonsense about holding China responsible? Give your head a wobble.

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

There are probably a few good reasons to boycott china but I don't think this pandemic is one of them unless evidence comes out to show it was man made by the Chinese state

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One man we are all forgetting in the boycott China who won’t let it happen

Mr putin

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By *d4fun73Man
over a year ago

Shipley

"While the pandemic rages, everyone’s focus should rightly be on getting the UK out of this as effectively as possible and protecting our NHS.

There was talk about claiming compensation from China for it. Don't forget they also caused sars as well.

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

"Let’s have a trade war if the virus out break was not enough? No goods from China, we will soon be back to the Stone Age. Sounds like a little bit of xenophobic is showing its ugly face again!!!

Another person who doesn’t know the true meaning of xenophobic. It’s a fear of something foreign.

Making China accountable for their poor food hygiene and eating habits isn’t xenophobic, it’s common sense.

Whole point of my original post was that China seem to have not done much about the root cause of c19.

So does the world just accept that they carry on and wait for another virus, or do something about it?

If they do something about it, what should that something be?

Seems to me (and I don’t profess to be an expert), is stop relying so heavily on Chinese imports, and the easiest way to do that is make Chinese goods less attractive by making them more expensive. Rely more on UK industry to produce goods. It’s within our capabilities.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let’s have a trade war if the virus out break was not enough? No goods from China, we will soon be back to the Stone Age. Sounds like a little bit of xenophobic is showing its ugly face again!!!

Another person who doesn’t know the true meaning of xenophobic. It’s a fear of something foreign.

Making China accountable for their poor food hygiene and eating habits isn’t xenophobic, it’s common sense.

Whole point of my original post was that China seem to have not done much about the root cause of c19.

So does the world just accept that they carry on and wait for another virus, or do something about it?

If they do something about it, what should that something be?

Should we impose trade embargoes on every country that has a viral outbreak?

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"Let’s have a trade war if the virus out break was not enough? No goods from China, we will soon be back to the Stone Age. Sounds like a little bit of xenophobic is showing its ugly face again!!!

Another person who doesn’t know the true meaning of xenophobic. It’s a fear of something foreign.

Making China accountable for their poor food hygiene and eating habits isn’t xenophobic, it’s common sense.

Whole point of my original post was that China seem to have not done much about the root cause of c19.

So does the world just accept that they carry on and wait for another virus, or do something about it?

If they do something about it, what should that something be?

I do think that we need to start more UK based production.

However expect prices to increase if we do.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"While the pandemic rages, everyone’s focus should rightly be on getting the UK out of this as effectively as possible and protecting our NHS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow people really do not understand how global markets work.

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

Yet you are on here spouting nonsense about holding China responsible? Give your head a wobble."

More than willing to listen to your opinion of who is responsible

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"I read somewhere the USA gave China $3m in grants to work on the coronavirus and it escaped the lab.

So are we going to blame the Americans as well?

Some research was being done on bats sponsored by Americans after the research the bats were sent to the wet market and from there it all started

I think it read it on daily mail

Daily Mail....there you ho then...MUST be true....(removes tongue from cheek)"

As usual these rumours start with some truth and then the blanks get filled in or suggested to suit peoples narratives.

Back in 2014/15 there was US funded research into corona viruses, and yes some were lab created for study purposes. The research was into what the scientists call gain of function, which means acquiring new ability through mutation. The head of the dept than carried out the research was a Dr Tony Fauci.

One of the scientists involved in the project was Shi Zhengli-Li went to the Wuhan lab after the US funded study was finished. Shi Zhengli was one the first scientists to identify the source of CV19.

Now add some Alex Jones flavoured bullshit, a dash of Daily Mail to the mix, serve on FaceBoke and you got a lab created bio weapon.

https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Zhengli

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

"While the pandemic rages, everyone’s focus should rightly be on getting the UK out of this as effectively as possible and protecting our NHS.

Complete opposite, I think he’s a complete bafoon , why would you think that?

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By *ncutgemMan
over a year ago

Bath ish

Utterly impossible name one thing that does not come out of China

thats what happens if you always go for the cheapest option

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

I WISH it was that easy..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow people really do not understand how global markets work. "

So you keep saying....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Utterly impossible name one thing that does not come out of China

Uneaten exotic animals?

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By *andyMinx_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

Leeds

"Let’s have a trade war if the virus out break was not enough? No goods from China, we will soon be back to the Stone Age. Sounds like a little bit of xenophobic is showing its ugly face again!!!

Another person who doesn’t know the true meaning of xenophobic. It’s a fear of something foreign.

Making China accountable for their poor food hygiene and eating habits isn’t xenophobic, it’s common sense.

Whole point of my original post was that China seem to have not done much about the root cause of c19.

So does the world just accept that they carry on and wait for another virus, or do something about it?

If they do something about it, what should that something be?

Should we impose trade embargoes on every country that has a viral outbreak? "

This is only one reason for taking action against the Chinese government. Their human rights record, persecution of minority religions, treatment of Chinese citizens are a few more, treatment of animals are a few more. I will be making every attempt to boycott Chinese goods although it will be very difficult as I know from previous experience. Tried it before when China introduced it's one child policy and the Dying Rooms came to our attention. They also denied that despite secret filming been undertaken in the orphanages.

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

"Utterly impossible name one thing that does not come out of China

thats what happens if you always go for the cheapest option "

Exactly, so if a UK produced product was same price as a Chinese produced product, which would you buy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If we must invest in the blame game it seems short sighted to merely blame the source of the infection.

What sanctions do you suggest for Italy? They were the first in Europe so must take some responsibility surely? Our own government? Everyone that voted tory? Trump? People that failed to observe social distancing? The owner of Wetherspoons for not closing his pubs? Runners and cyclists for still being out and about exercising?

Where should the (utterly pointless) blame game begin and end?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let’s have a trade war if the virus out break was not enough? No goods from China, we will soon be back to the Stone Age. Sounds like a little bit of xenophobic is showing its ugly face again!!!

Another person who doesn’t know the true meaning of xenophobic. It’s a fear of something foreign.

Making China accountable for their poor food hygiene and eating habits isn’t xenophobic, it’s common sense.

Whole point of my original post was that China seem to have not done much about the root cause of c19.

So does the world just accept that they carry on and wait for another virus, or do something about it?

If they do something about it, what should that something be?

I do think that we need to start more UK based production.

However expect prices to increase if we do."

We will have to when Brexit kicks in.

Boris what did you do?

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By *arleyfatboy2019Couple
over a year ago

Devon

Why is everything overly complicated. They screwed is over . Now there must be some form of sanctions. That’s a fairly simplistic view I know.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

Are we going to boycott America as well for the H1N1pdm09 virus flu pandemic in 2009 that started in America and the CDC estimated that it killed 151,700-575,400 people worldwide in the first year?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is everything overly complicated. They screwed is over . Now there must be some form of sanctions. That’s a fairly simplistic view I know."

Who suffers from sanctions like this?

Not the Chinese government or economy. Maybe the Chinese people? Our economy for sure.

"They" didn't screw "us" over.

A smaller economy country exposing sanctions on a much larger one, is an huge risk. And is an extremely complex undertaking.

There are many reasons why this is complicated.

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over a year ago

"Let’s have a trade war if the virus out break was not enough? No goods from China, we will soon be back to the Stone Age. Sounds like a little bit of xenophobic is showing its ugly face again!!!

Another person who doesn’t know the true meaning of xenophobic. It’s a fear of something foreign.

Making China accountable for their poor food hygiene and eating habits isn’t xenophobic, it’s common sense.

Whole point of my original post was that China seem to have not done much about the root cause of c19.

So does the world just accept that they carry on and wait for another virus, or do something about it?

If they do something about it, what should that something be?

Should we impose trade embargoes on every country that has a viral outbreak?

If you go down this route, we had better make sure the UK is squeeky clean in all these departments. And then we're going to have to chalk off nearly every country on the planet that doesn't meet our standards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think we could ever totally boycott China, we (meaning the whole of the western world) are just too reliant on them.

However the behaviour of their government (aided and abetted by the WHO) has been despicable and they must face consequences.

If that happens, we will end up paying a higher price for sone the products we buy, as labour costs in Japan are way higher than that in China.

Wouldn’t really say prices have dropped much, Apple moved iPhone production there to increase already obscene profits.

Huawei gained market share by not charging stupid prices, but once they had, they cranked up the prices to match other high end handset manufacturers. China has a growing middle class and won’t have the cheap labour forever, like Taiwan and Japan before it.

Egypt and Nigeria have potential...

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

My how we forget what us Brits have inflicted on the world

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

I'd be very very interested to hear a Chinese perspective on this although I doubt if there's any Chinese members on here they would be willing to post.

Let's face it people are nasty and small minded and would probably start abusing them so really can't say I would blame them for staying quiet.

So let's keep this discussion one sided and use guesswork and unreliable news sources for our " accurate" information shall we

I have come to realise that many fabs members have missed their vocation in life.

It seems that there's many many tabloid journalists on here who are oozed out of the woodwork since this all started.

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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago

south west , continental

The phone your using and the laptop or computer you are on right now is probably made in China. Manufacturing shifted to China as production costs are cheap. The consumerism of the west and the desire for cheap 'stuff' drove the momentum of Chinese production success. Sure boycott Chinese goods, but even the most product savy amongst us will find it hard not to buy 'stuff' made in China.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd be very very interested to hear a Chinese perspective on this although I doubt if there's any Chinese members on here they would be willing to post.

Let's face it people are nasty and small minded and would probably start abusing them so really can't say I would blame them for staying quiet.

So let's keep this discussion one sided and use guesswork and unreliable news sources for our " accurate" information shall we

I have come to realise that many fabs members have missed their vocation in life.

It seems that there's many many tabloid journalists on here who are oozed out of the woodwork since this all started.

It is interesting how the usual suspects have shifted their blame of everything from Muslims to Chinese.

Not referencing anyone on this thread. Just an observation on the fab forums in general.

The weak minded are easily lead.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

Can lessons be learned? Yeah. There's a danger in outsourcing and globalised trade. One country slaps an export ban on a product and people elsewhere die. This is what happening with ethanol which has led to hand sanitiser shortages.

But blame China and take retaliatory action against them? For what? To me, its a distraction technique. Expect lots more talk about the Huawei 5g deal.

Take action against china over human rights abuses, stealing intellectual property and loads more but c'mon.

Maybe China might want to take retaliatory action over the opium wars, they're still pissed about that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There needs to be an investigation to where this virus actually came from first. Of course the wet markets should be closed, I've seen a couple and they are horrible and very dirty but, if the virus was made in the lab and released then the communist regime need to be changed. Many of these wet markets exist is because of the mass poverty experienced by the majority of the nation. The way the world is governed does not work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trump has been playing the virus down from the start too... should we boycott America?

Sometimes a virus just happens, I don’t think the blame game helps.

Why do all these viruses that "just happen" originate in China.....??Trump also closed down air travel into America,saving thousands more lives....

Are you suggesting that every virus we have originated from China?

From the start Trump has said that it’s no big deal, it’s under control, churches will be packed by Easter..."

No but quite a few in recent memory have Chinese or east asian origin

Swine Flu

Spanish Flu (Strong evidence that it came from Chinese workers)

SARS

Avian Flu

Covid19

Asian Flu

Shanghai Flu

Thats just of the top of my head

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There needs to be an investigation to where this virus actually came from first. Of course the wet markets should be closed, I've seen a couple and they are horrible and very dirty but, if the virus was made in the lab and released then the communist regime need to be changed. Many of these wet markets exist is because of the mass poverty experienced by the majority of the nation. The way the world is governed does not work. "

It's already been established that the virus is not man made back in march

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"My how we forget what us Brits have inflicted on the world

Yep. Forget the Empire days.

I wonder how many people have died after a British made bomb has been dropped on their heads in recent years in the middle East?

UK arms manufacturers and the government have a lot more blood on their hands than the Chinese do at present......

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over a year ago

It's already been established that the virus is not man made back in march

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9"

I'm not a scientist but surely this only states that it is not likely that it was not man made. If I' wrong then I apologize.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

"My how we forget what us Brits have inflicted on the world

Yep. Forget the Empire days.

I wonder how many people have died after a British made bomb has been dropped on their heads in recent years in the middle East?

UK arms manufacturers and the government have a lot more blood on their hands than the Chinese do at present......

A"
exactly we are hardly squeaky clean like how we think it’s ok to invade other country’s but that’s another argument

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"My how we forget what us Brits have inflicted on the world

Yep. Forget the Empire days.

I wonder how many people have died after a British made bomb has been dropped on their heads in recent years in the middle East?

UK arms manufacturers and the government have a lot more blood on their hands than the Chinese do at present......

A exactly we are hardly squeaky clean like how we think it’s ok to invade other country’s but that’s another argument "

Do we?

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

"My how we forget what us Brits have inflicted on the world

Yep. Forget the Empire days.

I wonder how many people have died after a British made bomb has been dropped on their heads in recent years in the middle East?

UK arms manufacturers and the government have a lot more blood on their hands than the Chinese do at present......

A exactly we are hardly squeaky clean like how we think it’s ok to invade other country’s but that’s another argument

Do we?"
do we what ???? Think it’s ok to invade other countries well historically we do

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By *ud and BryanCouple
over a year ago

Boston, Lincolnshire

A exactly we are hardly squeaky clean like how we think it’s ok to invade other country’s but that’s another argument "

as China "annexed Tibet?"

The Chinese regime has an awful lot to answer for.

We'll definitely be boycotting Chinese takeaways/restaurants and avoiding ebay/wish/Amazon items despatched from China.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A exactly we are hardly squeaky clean like how we think it’s ok to invade other country’s but that’s another argument

as China "annexed Tibet?"

The Chinese regime has an awful lot to answer for.

We'll definitely be boycotting Chinese takeaways/restaurants and avoiding ebay/wish/Amazon items despatched from China."

I don't really agree with your logic. But I wholeheartedly support the boycott approach. If more people voted with their wallet, so to speak. Things would change.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

It's already been established that the virus is not man made back in march

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

I'm not a scientist but surely this only states that it is not likely that it was not man made. If I' wrong then I apologize. "

Try this one

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2012-7

From the abstract:

Since the outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) 18 years ago, a large number of SARS-related coronaviruses (SARSr-CoVs) have been discovered in their natural reservoir host, bats1,2,3,4. Previous studies have shown that some bat SARSr-CoVs have the potential to infect humans5,6,7. Here we report the identification and characterization of a new coronavirus (2019-nCoV), which caused an epidemic of acute respiratory syndrome in humans in Wuhan, China. The epidemic, which started on 12 December 2019, had caused 2,794 laboratory-confirmed infections including 80 deaths by 26 January 2020. Full-length genome sequences were obtained from five patients at an early stage of the outbreak. The sequences are almost identical and share 79.6% sequence identity to SARS-CoV. Furthermore, we show that 2019-nCoV is 96% identical at the whole-genome level to a bat coronavirus.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

A exactly we are hardly squeaky clean like how we think it’s ok to invade other country’s but that’s another argument

as China "annexed Tibet?"

The Chinese regime has an awful lot to answer for.

We'll definitely be boycotting Chinese takeaways/restaurants and avoiding ebay/wish/Amazon items despatched from China."

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

and lets all throw away all of our phones/tablets/laptops etc.... all either made in China or full of Chinese electronics

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By *angbangFantasyWoman
over a year ago

London

Interesting.

Look at what happened when China banned foreign countries (western countries) from exporting their waste to them. Western countries suddenly panic and see the impact they are doing to the environment. Funny how problems don't matter as long as they aren't our own, let's see what happens if the UK doesn't deal with China anymore... I don't believe that's likely though.

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London

"Let’s have a trade war if the virus out break was not enough? No goods from China, we will soon be back to the Stone Age. Sounds like a little bit of xenophobic is showing its ugly face again!!!

Another person who doesn’t know the true meaning of xenophobic. It’s a fear of something foreign.

Making China accountable for their poor food hygiene and eating habits isn’t xenophobic, it’s common sense.

Whole point of my original post was that China seem to have not done much about the root cause of c19.

So does the world just accept that they carry on and wait for another virus, or do something about it?

If they do something about it, what should that something be?

“Rely more on UK industry to produce goods. It’s within our capabilities”

And you are willing to pay the extra cost for the goods that are produce by the UK industry??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's already been established that the virus is not man made back in march

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

I'm not a scientist but surely this only states that it is not likely that it was not man made. If I' wrong then I apologize.

Try this one

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2012-7

From the abstract:

Thanks for the link.Interesting, scaring how it seems as thought the virus is mutating to help it transmit to humans with more ease.

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia

It's already been established that the virus is not man made back in march

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

I'm not a scientist but surely this only states that it is not likely that it was not man made. If I' wrong then I apologize.

Try this one

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2012-7

From the abstract:

Thanks for the link.Interesting, scaring how it seems as thought the virus is mutating to help it transmit to humans with more ease."

It's called evolution.. This virus has been around for thousands of years, and randomly, this mutation happened now. It could have happened at any time, or may not have happened at all. Random mutations happen all the time, evolution in action

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

A exactly we are hardly squeaky clean like how we think it’s ok to invade other country’s but that’s another argument

as China "annexed Tibet?"

The Chinese regime has an awful lot to answer for.

We'll definitely be boycotting Chinese takeaways/restaurants and avoiding ebay/wish/Amazon items despatched from China.

How is boycotting a chinese restaurant going to harm China?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's already been established that the virus is not man made back in march

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

I'm not a scientist but surely this only states that it is not likely that it was not man made. If I' wrong then I apologize.

Try this one

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2012-7

From the abstract:

Thanks for the link.Interesting, scaring how it seems as thought the virus is mutating to help it transmit to humans with more ease.

Evolution happens much faster with microbial life as their lifecycle is much much faster than that of larger organisms. Like us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A exactly we are hardly squeaky clean like how we think it’s ok to invade other country’s but that’s another argument

as China "annexed Tibet?"

The Chinese regime has an awful lot to answer for.

We'll definitely be boycotting Chinese takeaways/restaurants and avoiding ebay/wish/Amazon items despatched from China.

How is boycotting a chinese restaurant going to harm China?

Benefit for the Chinese restaurants in their local area not having to deal with silly and confused people?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Boycott China now! Return ventilators and PPE!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

A exactly we are hardly squeaky clean like how we think it’s ok to invade other country’s but that’s another argument

as China "annexed Tibet?"

The Chinese regime has an awful lot to answer for.

We'll definitely be boycotting Chinese takeaways/restaurants and avoiding ebay/wish/Amazon items despatched from China.

How is boycotting a chinese restaurant going to harm China?

Benefit for the Chinese restaurants in their local area not having to deal with silly and confused people?"

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By *angbangFantasyWoman
over a year ago

London

A exactly we are hardly squeaky clean like how we think it’s ok to invade other country’s but that’s another argument

as China "annexed Tibet?"

The Chinese regime has an awful lot to answer for.

We'll definitely be boycotting Chinese takeaways/restaurants and avoiding ebay/wish/Amazon items despatched from China.

How is boycotting a chinese restaurant going to harm China?

I wonder that too... I also wonder if they'll think all Asian/Oriental looking people are Chinese too.

Chinese people who have businesses here in the UK have nothing to do with the Chinese governments actions.

- I'm not Chinese by the way just in case that's your assumption

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The who advised that the virus was not transmitted via human in january contact despite the Thai government having evidence to the contrary since december

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia

A exactly we are hardly squeaky clean like how we think it’s ok to invade other country’s but that’s another argument

as China "annexed Tibet?"

The Chinese regime has an awful lot to answer for.

We'll definitely be boycotting Chinese takeaways/restaurants and avoiding ebay/wish/Amazon items despatched from China.

How is boycotting a chinese restaurant going to harm China?

I wonder that too... I also wonder if they'll think all Asian/Oriental looking people are Chinese too.

Chinese people who have businesses here in the UK have nothing to do with the Chinese governments actions.

- I'm not Chinese by the way just in case that's your assumption

Why let facts and rational thinking get in the way of a bit of good old xenophobia and casual racism

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

Would this be the same China to which we have for years been sending thousands of containers full of domestic and industrial waste under guise of it being recyclable plastic waste.

Would this be the same China who take most of our scrap metal because we have almost no facilities to recycle here.

Would this be the same China who make most of the Apple phones.

Will Londoners avoid Black Cabs because they are made by a Chinese owned company.

Will the middle class continue buying their Volvo cars when they find out that they are being built by a Chinese company, albeit in Sweden.

I for one will not give up the pleasure of visiting Chinese restaurants and using Chinese Take aways. The sheer hypocrisy of all this China bashing is breathtaking.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

It's already been established that the virus is not man made back in march

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

I'm not a scientist but surely this only states that it is not likely that it was not man made. If I' wrong then I apologize.

Try this one

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2012-7

From the abstract:

Thanks for the link.Interesting, scaring how it seems as thought the virus is mutating to help it transmit to humans with more ease."

In 2014/15 Scientists were discussing what threat this represented to humans if the virus got what they call 'gain of function' This one is worth reading. Its what the conspiracy theories are based on.

https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787

The reason why the Spanish Flu epidemic ended was it ran out of hosts, this time round though modern medicine and pharmacology is way better. I don't know when but I do believe they will get better at treating this, but a cure as in a vaccine is years away.

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

"Let’s have a trade war if the virus out break was not enough? No goods from China, we will soon be back to the Stone Age. Sounds like a little bit of xenophobic is showing its ugly face again!!!

Another person who doesn’t know the true meaning of xenophobic. It’s a fear of something foreign.

Making China accountable for their poor food hygiene and eating habits isn’t xenophobic, it’s common sense.

Whole point of my original post was that China seem to have not done much about the root cause of c19.

So does the world just accept that they carry on and wait for another virus, or do something about it?

If they do something about it, what should that something be?

“Rely more on UK industry to produce goods. It’s within our capabilities”

And you are willing to pay the extra cost for the goods that are produce by the UK industry??"

Yes

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

Well this took on a whole new dimension from my original post.

Just goes to prove not everyone reads the original post, or if they do, they turn it into something else

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's use this now to start making stuff ourselves, got to stop living off the service industry's of the south East.

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"Well this took on a whole new dimension from my original post.

Just goes to prove not everyone reads the original post, or if they do, they turn it into something else

I read it. I disagree with it. As have many.

I'll ask again. Would you suggest boycotting all American goods because they used lies to start a war in the middle east, resulting in significantly more deaths than this virus? Because if you want to hold countries accountable via economic means and boycotting then you can just consider China.

Nor can you expect the country to survive economically, feed its population and provide for its citizens if you implement sanctions against every single country that has ever fucked up.

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"Well this took on a whole new dimension from my original post.

Just goes to prove not everyone reads the original post, or if they do, they turn it into something else

I read it. I disagree with it. As have many.

Nor can you expect the country to survive economically, feed its population and provide for its citizens if you implement sanctions against every single country that has ever fucked up.

*can't - not can.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even if you buy a radio made in the UK. The resistors and capacitors all come from China. For technology we have zero choice.

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over a year ago

"Even if you buy a radio made in the UK. The resistors and capacitors all come from China. For technology we have zero choice. "

This is true. And if we started our R&D on the tech, it would take a long time to catch up with China.

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over a year ago

"Well this took on a whole new dimension from my original post.

Just goes to prove not everyone reads the original post, or if they do, they turn it into something else

I read it. I disagree with it. As have many.

Nor can you expect the country to survive economically, feed its population and provide for its citizens if you implement sanctions against every single country that has ever fucked up.

*can't - not can.

How about boycotting the USA for their human rights violations with the separation of deported parents and children. Keeping children in cages?

How about boycotting Japan for whale hunting? Rather than honouring them with RWC and Olympics?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Even if you buy a radio made in the UK. The resistors and capacitors all come from China. For technology we have zero choice. "

Nope not afaik

Japan makes a high percentage of these things, we even have Cressall here in the UK

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"Well this took on a whole new dimension from my original post.

Just goes to prove not everyone reads the original post, or if they do, they turn it into something else

I read it. I disagree with it. As have many.

Nor can you expect the country to survive economically, feed its population and provide for its citizens if you implement sanctions against every single country that has ever fucked up.

*can't - not can.

How about boycotting the USA for their human rights violations with the separation of deported parents and children. Keeping children in cages?

How about boycotting Japan for whale hunting? Rather than honouring them with RWC and Olympics?"

Yep. If every country started sanctioning others for the things they do then there'd be no global trade.

And before anyone says 'good - shop local'......we'd also need to sanction ourselves.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

What’s a Chinese Takeaway owner in the UK done to deserve a boycott?

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"Well this took on a whole new dimension from my original post.

Just goes to prove not everyone reads the original post, or if they do, they turn it into something else

Maybe they don't see justification or benefit of an economic trade war that you're very unlikely to win. Like it not, China has a lot and growing amount of diplomatic power.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

"Even if you buy a radio made in the UK. The resistors and capacitors all come from China. For technology we have zero choice. "

There is a choice.

China isn't the only manufacturer of discrete components, but they are the cheapest.

So, that choice would add to the cost of a finished product considerably.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What’s a Chinese Takeaway owner in the UK done to deserve a boycott?

Fuck knows, if anything they would be more against the CCP. I would of thought atleast. Unless they are all sleeper agents or something. Just waiting for the call, Manchurian candidate style

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What’s a Chinese Takeaway owner in the UK done to deserve a boycott?

Nothing but from the minute trump called it the Chinese Virus and racists everywhere argued that as we'd had the Spannish flu and then Piers Morgan saw an opportunity for some casual racism targeted at the Chinese blaming the local takeaway was always going to be the natural conclusion for some

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over a year ago

"Even if you buy a radio made in the UK. The resistors and capacitors all come from China. For technology we have zero choice.

There is a choice.

China isn't the only manufacturer of discrete components, but they are the cheapest.

So, that choice would add to the cost of a finished product considerably."

Well yes, but tbh i would rather pay a bit more for my phone than know it possiblly came from a factory with suicide nets around it.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"What’s a Chinese Takeaway owner in the UK done to deserve a boycott?

It beggars belief sometimes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What’s a Chinese Takeaway owner in the UK done to deserve a boycott?

Well thats the conventional way of naming a Virus, from where it originated or was first found.

Bill Maher did quite a good bit on it the other day

https://youtu.be/dEfDwc2G2_8

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By *othardandfreeMan
over a year ago

"Utterly impossible name one thing that does not come out of China

thats what happens if you always go for the cheapest option "

The workers in the Chinese factories the size of a city who get bussed in and have their passports removed and get given a mattress set up behind their workstation so not to impact any down time...i dont think they get out of China much.

Thats why your phone charger can get made and shipped round the world for a fiver.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Even if you buy a radio made in the UK. The resistors and capacitors all come from China. For technology we have zero choice.

Nope not afaik

Japan makes a high percentage of these things, we even have Cressall here in the UK"

Top 5 :

Hong Kong: 18.4%

South Korea: 15.3%

Taiwan: 13.4%

China: 11.8%

Singapore: 11.6%

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By *issme quick sucmeslowMan
over a year ago

warringtonish

While the pandemic rages, everyone’s focus should rightly be on getting the UK out of this as effectively as possible and protecting our NHS.

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By *oAnCouple
over a year ago

Streatham

Last time I looked we didn't buy much food and medicine from China. Plenty of unnecessary tat though."

China has been subsidising their pharmaceutical industry for many years which resulted in the liquidation of homegrown API manufacturers worldwide - effectively China cornered the market.

Production of APIs has traditionally been done by the pharmaceutical companies themselves in their home countries. But in recent years many corporations have opted to send manufacturing overseas to cut costs. China! This has caused significant changes to how these drugs are regulated, with more rigorous guidelines and inspections put into place.

All drugs are made up of two core components: the API, which is the central ingredient, and the excipient, the substances other than the drug that helps deliver the medication to your system. Excipients are chemically inactive substances, such as lactose or mineral oil in the pill.

Best read China RX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6sqjBoWMm4

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sanctions sound good to me.but it will be up to our leaders at the end of the day.its a murky world we live in. Mostly.

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By *BWarksCouple
over a year ago

warwick

It’s a job to buy sex toys that aren’t made in China...........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What cars can we buy with nothing from China in them?

You can’t boycott China and still live a modern life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think a serious approach is needed to prevent this happening again!

Those markets need closing down or the world stops trading witb China AND strict travel restrictions to/from China including quarantining people.

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

"Let’s have a trade war if the virus out break was not enough? No goods from China, we will soon be back to the Stone Age. Sounds like a little bit of xenophobic is showing its ugly face again!!!

Another person who doesn’t know the true meaning of xenophobic. It’s a fear of something foreign.

Making China accountable for their poor food hygiene and eating habits isn’t xenophobic, it’s common sense.

Whole point of my original post was that China seem to have not done much about the root cause of c19.

So does the world just accept that they carry on and wait for another virus, or do something about it?

If they do something about it, what should that something be?

Should we impose trade embargoes on every country that has a viral outbreak? "

No only the ones that lie about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What cars can we buy with nothing from China in them?

You can’t boycott China and still live a modern life. "

Ok, lets get ready for covid20, 21, 22, 23 24....

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

"What cars can we buy with nothing from China in them?

You can’t boycott China and still live a modern life. "

No but you can help the push forwards without relying on there parts.

Remember they are making them cheap for a reason look at the workers in the cheap factories.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"What’s a Chinese Takeaway owner in the UK done to deserve a boycott?

Well thats the conventional way of naming a Virus, from where it originated or was first found.

Bill Maher did quite a good bit on it the other day

https://youtu.be/dEfDwc2G2_8"

Bill Maher is a comedian. It's not normal and the intent behind calling it Chinese/Wuhan/Kung flu is intentional racism. And naming it Chinese flu negatively affects asians not just ethnic chinese around the world.

Spanish Flu didn't come from spain, they weren't at war so they could report it.

The French called syphllis the english disease, the turks called it the christian disease. Linking a disease to a nationality or ethnicity is a old form of nationalist propaganda. Its disappointing to see there is still an audience for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What’s a Chinese Takeaway owner in the UK done to deserve a boycott?

Well thats the conventional way of naming a Virus, from where it originated or was first found.

Bill Maher did quite a good bit on it the other day

https://youtu.be/dEfDwc2G2_8

Spanish Flu didn't come from spain, they weren't at war so they could report it.

r/wooosh

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

"Well this took on a whole new dimension from my original post.

Just goes to prove not everyone reads the original post, or if they do, they turn it into something else

Exactly my point, you’ve gone off track straight away, all those issues are irrelevant to what I originally posted.

I read it. I disagree with it. As have many.

Nor can you expect the country to survive economically, feed its population and provide for its citizens if you implement sanctions against every single country that has ever fucked up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What’s a Chinese Takeaway owner in the UK done to deserve a boycott?

Well thats the conventional way of naming a Virus, from where it originated or was first found.

Bill Maher did quite a good bit on it the other day

https://youtu.be/dEfDwc2G2_8

Spanish Flu didn't come from spain, they weren't at war so they could report it.

No the spanish flu didn't come from Spain. But there is strong evidence that it came from Chinese Labourers.

Seems like you are one of these people he's talking about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sanctions sound good to me. "

Probably because you don't understand the impact this would have on the UK, and the lack of impact this would habe on China. And because you've been taken in with the right wing rhetoric aimed at shifting focus from the UK governments performance on Covid-19, to blaming China.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"What’s a Chinese Takeaway owner in the UK done to deserve a boycott?

Well thats the conventional way of naming a Virus, from where it originated or was first found.

Bill Maher did quite a good bit on it the other day

https://youtu.be/dEfDwc2G2_8

Spanish Flu didn't come from spain, they weren't at war so they could report it.

No the spanish flu didn't come from Spain. But there is strong evidence that it came from Chinese Labourers.

Seems like you are one of these people he's talking about."

Intent matters.

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By *aro7Man
over a year ago

wickford

I think the world as a whole need to take a good hard look at China and their practices not only on world trade but also the way they behave as a nation and the treatment of their own people, i have not been a fan of China for a number of years and even more so now, it just dosen’t feel right,,,,,,,,so sad, but i cant help the way i feel

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

"I think the world as a whole need to take a good hard look at China and their practices not only on world trade but also the way they behave as a nation and the treatment of their own people, i have not been a fan of China for a number of years and even more so now, it just dosen’t feel right,,,,,,,,so sad, but i cant help the way i feel

I think you are 100% correct.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We had plenty of warning for the virus and do not act appropriately.

The world has had a few close shaves with pademics recently especially Nipah virus is Kerela India two years ago.

The big risk viruses are SARS like corona virus’s, Nipah, Hendra, west Nile, Ebola.... we need vaccines for all of them. China is not the only country- it’s all our problems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can help the way you feel. Try reading up about things. Educate yourself.

Why fixate on China. Every country does horrific things to people, sometimes to their own people.

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"Well this took on a whole new dimension from my original post.

Just goes to prove not everyone reads the original post, or if they do, they turn it into something else

I read it. I disagree with it. As have many.

Nor can you expect the country to survive economically, feed its population and provide for its citizens if you implement sanctions against every single country that has ever fucked up.

Exactly my point, you’ve gone off track straight away, all those issues are irrelevant to what I originally posted.

How have I gone off track?

You suggested applying tariffs to Chinese goods and said the public should check labels as to country of origin.

So effectively sanctions. No different to advising to boycott.

Again.

Do you think the UK public should adopt the same approach to the USA and other countries guilty of causing death through their overseas policies, domestic policies and the actions of their governments?

A simple yes or no will do.

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By *aro7Man
over a year ago

wickford

I haven’t fixated on China, everybody at this point is looking at them because this is where the virus unfortunately has come from, this isnt the only time this has happened, i feel i do have enough education, there are many other nations that have questionable practices, the world is not in a good place on so many levels, we as a globe need to take a step back and look at what is going on everywhere, China just at the moment are worry for me and i think you will find many other people, that is what i find sad.

You can help the way you feel. Try reading up about things. Educate yourself.

Why fixate on China. Every country does horrific things to people, sometimes to their own people. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you add xtra tariffs on Chinese goods who do you think will be paying for it ?

We will

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By *othardandfreeMan
over a year ago

Ive got a great idea...we should all do as Trump says and build a wall.

It could be built that high and long that it would be seen from space.

We could even call it the Great Wall of China.

Dont all rush to thank me...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read somewhere the USA gave China $3m in grants to work on the coronavirus and it escaped the lab.

So are we going to blame the Americans as well?

Some research was being done on bats sponsored by Americans after the research the bats were sent to the wet market and from there it all started

I think it read it on daily mail

Well obviously if it was in the Daily Mail it is the gospel truth and has been deeply and accurately researched and reported...

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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago

taunton

If they need any more bats I got loads shitting all over my loft they are welcome to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"While the pandemic rages, everyone’s focus should rightly be on getting the UK out of this as effectively as possible and protecting our NHS.

Probably the most ignorant post I've read on fab in a long time, I have no words

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By *ud and BryanCouple
over a year ago

Boston, Lincolnshire

A exactly we are hardly squeaky clean like how we think it’s ok to invade other country’s but that’s another argument

as China "annexed Tibet?"

The Chinese regime has an awful lot to answer for.

We'll definitely be boycotting Chinese takeaways/restaurants and avoiding ebay/wish/Amazon items despatched from China.

How is boycotting a chinese restaurant going to harm China?

I wonder that too... I also wonder if they'll think all Asian/Oriental looking people are Chinese too.

Chinese people who have businesses here in the UK have nothing to do with the Chinese governments actions.

- I'm not Chinese by the way just in case that's your assumption

You don't believe all the profits from Chinese restaurants start in England? We know a (variable) percentage gets sent back to family/friends/businesses in China, so boycotting them all would harm the Chinese economy - the only thing the regime will take notice of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A exactly we are hardly squeaky clean like how we think it’s ok to invade other country’s but that’s another argument

as China "annexed Tibet?"

The Chinese regime has an awful lot to answer for.

We'll definitely be boycotting Chinese takeaways/restaurants and avoiding ebay/wish/Amazon items despatched from China.

How is boycotting a chinese restaurant going to harm China?

I wonder that too... I also wonder if they'll think all Asian/Oriental looking people are Chinese too.

Chinese people who have businesses here in the UK have nothing to do with the Chinese governments actions.

- I'm not Chinese by the way just in case that's your assumption

Punishing random families in China for a virus pandemic seems fair.

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By *angbangFantasyWoman
over a year ago

London

A exactly we are hardly squeaky clean like how we think it’s ok to invade other country’s but that’s another argument

as China "annexed Tibet?"

The Chinese regime has an awful lot to answer for.

We'll definitely be boycotting Chinese takeaways/restaurants and avoiding ebay/wish/Amazon items despatched from China.

How is boycotting a chinese restaurant going to harm China?

I wonder that too... I also wonder if they'll think all Asian/Oriental looking people are Chinese too.

Chinese people who have businesses here in the UK have nothing to do with the Chinese governments actions.

- I'm not Chinese by the way just in case that's your assumption

So blaming ordinary families who send money to their less than fortunate relations in China is the way to go is it? Great logic

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By *-4pleasureCouple
over a year ago

Belfast

"I don't think we could ever totally boycott China, we (meaning the whole of the western world) are just too reliant on them.

However the behaviour of their government (aided and abetted by the WHO) has been despicable and they must face consequences.

The jury is not "still out on whether or not the virus originated in a Wuhan lab".

Such nonsense needs to be called out when written as fact.

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

A exactly we are hardly squeaky clean like how we think it’s ok to invade other country’s but that’s another argument

as China "annexed Tibet?"

The Chinese regime has an awful lot to answer for.

We'll definitely be boycotting Chinese takeaways/restaurants and avoiding ebay/wish/Amazon items despatched from China.

How is boycotting a chinese restaurant going to harm China?

I wonder that too... I also wonder if they'll think all Asian/Oriental looking people are Chinese too.

Chinese people who have businesses here in the UK have nothing to do with the Chinese governments actions.

- I'm not Chinese by the way just in case that's your assumption

All of them?

I know several chinese restaurants run by English people who have no family in China. They're not state owned ffs!!

Do you think every 'Irish Pub' around the globe send its money home to Ireland? Every traditional 'British' fish and chip shop in Europe does the same?

I suppose you think all the profits from Indian head massages goes back to Delhi........

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

I have not belief in anything the chinese state gives out as news, nor do i agree with the Chinese beleif in herbal medicine or the way they treat animals and the states human rights adherence is abysmal..

However they produce a vast majority of the worlds consumables, from dusters to electronics to vehicle parts and everything in between.

They can do it cheaper than the west because the labour is cheap, they don't have to worry about health and safety if they don't want and they can pollute as much as they like as fines for such thing are just empty threats by a state that doesn't give a crap.

Home grown business will never compete against such competition and we have made ourselves reliant upon those cheap imports.

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

Why is Englands finest opening Batsman tradi g with China?

Surely he only trades in YORKSHIRE

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A exactly we are hardly squeaky clean like how we think it’s ok to invade other country’s but that’s another argument

as China "annexed Tibet?"

The Chinese regime has an awful lot to answer for.

We'll definitely be boycotting Chinese takeaways/restaurants and avoiding ebay/wish/Amazon items despatched from China.

How is boycotting a chinese restaurant going to harm China?

I wonder that too... I also wonder if they'll think all Asian/Oriental looking people are Chinese too.

Chinese people who have businesses here in the UK have nothing to do with the Chinese governments actions.

- I'm not Chinese by the way just in case that's your assumption

All of them?

I know several chinese restaurants run by English people who have no family in China. They're not state owned ffs!!

Do you think every 'Irish Pub' around the globe send its money home to Ireland? Every traditional 'British' fish and chip shop in Europe does the same?

I suppose you think all the profits from Indian head massages goes back to Delhi........

Well said

humans really make me sad with their horrible ignorance.

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

"Well this took on a whole new dimension from my original post.

Just goes to prove not everyone reads the original post, or if they do, they turn it into something else

I read it. I disagree with it. As have many.

Nor can you expect the country to survive economically, feed its population and provide for its citizens if you implement sanctions against every single country that has ever fucked up.

Exactly my point, you’ve gone off track straight away, all those issues are irrelevant to what I originally posted.

How have I gone off track?

You suggested applying tariffs to Chinese goods and said the public should check labels as to country of origin.

So effectively sanctions. No different to advising to boycott.

Again.

A simple yes or no will do.

Because it’s not relevant to my original question.

I asked about China, nothing else

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well this took on a whole new dimension from my original post.

Just goes to prove not everyone reads the original post, or if they do, they turn it into something else

I read it. I disagree with it. As have many.

Nor can you expect the country to survive economically, feed its population and provide for its citizens if you implement sanctions against every single country that has ever fucked up.

Exactly my point, you’ve gone off track straight away, all those issues are irrelevant to what I originally posted.

How have I gone off track?

You suggested applying tariffs to Chinese goods and said the public should check labels as to country of origin.

So effectively sanctions. No different to advising to boycott.

Again.

A simple yes or no will do.

Because it’s not relevant to my original question.

I asked about China, nothing else"

Leave China alone, they are still cool

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

Right... What's next. How many warlords from Africa have been made to pay money to their victims?

What about Germany paying money to their victims.

Where do you draw the line?

So China should pay for all this? Really?

Let's not start playing the plane game. Because what you are saying is every Chinese person is to blame. Like every single one?

We don't really know where this things has come from.

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

Just to recap , because some people find it hard to understand.

I believe that China should be held accountable for covid19.

I believe that the U.K. should use our current crisis as a way of regeneration of U.K. manufacturing

I believe that trade embargoes or higher import taxes should be levied on Chinese imports until China stops the trade of animals that are known to carry diseases

My views are NOT xenophobic ( educate yourself on the meaning of the word)

I don’t condone boycotting U.K. based Chinese businesses, they have nothing to do with this.

What the U.K. has done in the past is erelevant to the now

There is some seriously misguided people in this country, who will argue black is white.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

more and more ignorance it makes me sad people, just wise up and listen to yourself.

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

"I read somewhere the USA gave China $3m in grants to work on the coronavirus and it escaped the lab.

So are we going to blame the Americans as well?

Did you ever read viz aswell? Remember roger irrelevant?"

How is this not relevant? Right so you want someone to blame and you don't wish to lisen to anyone opinion because it conflict with your narritave.

How much did The British Empire give to the Native Ameriancea when They brought over new deseses over from Britain?

The fact that America wanted the vires says a lot.

It would not surprise me that another country was the one to make the virus and used China to set it free so they would get the blame as China is fast approaching to becoming a world leader.

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

"Just to recap , because some people find it hard to understand.

I believe that China should be held accountable for covid19.

I believe that the U.K. should use our current crisis as a way of regeneration of U.K. manufacturing

I believe that trade embargoes or higher import taxes should be levied on Chinese imports until China stops the trade of animals that are known to carry diseases

My views are NOT xenophobic ( educate yourself on the meaning of the word)

I don’t condone boycotting U.K. based Chinese businesses, they have nothing to do with this.

What the U.K. has done in the past is erelevant to the now

There is some seriously misguided people in this country, who will argue black is white."

Someone how forgets their past are doomed to repeat it.

I think you are misguided of you think the UK can restart Manufacturing in this country again. The cost of labour is way too hight eve. If you get a product you will not sell enough to make a profit.

Why don't we actually get out of this situation we are in before we start playing the blame games.

It's not like work where you can put the blame on someone else. We are not kids here.

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

The amount of replying you are getting and asking you the Q with the same narrative should tell you what people are saying.

But I think you want a Yes or No Ans. From the people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Op, come on

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

"Op, come on

Odnt waste your breath.

OP just wants someone to blame. And will not lisen to reason.

OP but this thread up in hopes of finding people who thouhj they same way.

It's no poin trying to reason with iggrinante people.

Stupid can be fixed.

Iggrinance can't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Op, come on

Odnt waste your breath.

OP just wants someone to blame. And will not lisen to reason.

OP but this thread up in hopes of finding people who thouhj they same way.

It's no poin trying to reason with iggrinante people.

Stupid can be fixed.

Iggrinance can't. "

True, unfortunately you can't change people's perception of what they think is right, it just really gets me down when people, like op, is always trying to blame someone else or in this case an entire country for some thing we have no control over, it just says a lot about their view on the world. Sad.

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

"Op, come on

Odnt waste your breath.

OP just wants someone to blame. And will not lisen to reason.

OP but this thread up in hopes of finding people who thouhj they same way.

It's no poin trying to reason with iggrinante people.

Stupid can be fixed.

Iggrinance can't.

Yes very sad. Views like these are the reason innocent Chinese people were being harassed and acculted around the world simply for being Chinese

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

"Op, come on

Odnt waste your breath.

OP just wants someone to blame. And will not lisen to reason.

OP but this thread up in hopes of finding people who thouhj they same way.

It's no poin trying to reason with iggrinante people.

Stupid can be fixed.

Iggrinance can't.

So my opinion is wrong but yours is right? Hmmm.

So covid19 started somewhere, it started for a reason, all investigations point to Chinese wet markets, but they are still trading. The Chinese government hasn’t done anything about it.

So the rest of the world should just accept that every now and again we’ll get a different virus bringing the economy to its knees, and we’ll just accept thousands of people dying because of China’s poor food hygiene?

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

"Yes very sad. Views like these are the reason innocent Chinese people were being harassed and acculted around the world simply for being Chinese "

Well that’s just down to ignorance.

It’s not Chinese people’s fault, it’s down to Chinese government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will be unpopular saying this, but I don't think the blame should lay with China.

Each country has taken their own decisions re how to respond to this pandemic. These decisions should be founded in scientific advice and recommendations from WHO.

Countries where those decisions were made promptly have fared much better than others.

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

"Yes very sad. Views like these are the reason innocent Chinese people were being harassed and acculted around the world simply for being Chinese

Well that’s just down to ignorance.

It’s not Chinese people’s fault, it’s down to Chinese government.

And who makes up the Chinese government?

So you want the Chinese government to pay? Right?

Hmm which I turn makes the people pay?

Your logic dose not add up.

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

"Yes very sad. Views like these are the reason innocent Chinese people were being harassed and acculted around the world simply for being Chinese

Well that’s just down to ignorance.

It’s not Chinese people’s fault, it’s down to Chinese government.

Let say I go to a Chinese restaurant in London for a meal with my family.

We all eat and enjoy a good night.

But soon my family starts to feel sick. And we all end up in hospital, all of my family dies except me.

In your opinion the London Council is to blame for not keeping an eye on the restaurant and make sure it keeps up with the safety

Or is the restaurant to blame.

I take the council to court and win lot of money and the council pays up.

Who really payed in the end?

It's not about right or wrong

It's about looking at something and seeing the whole pic.

If we all make the Chinese government pay who is really paying?

Do you not think there will be backlash towards the Chinese around the world.

Did anyone think we would be in lockdown worldwide?

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

So my opinion is wrong but yours is right? Hmmm.

So covid19 started somewhere, it started for a reason, all investigations point to Chinese wet markets, but they are still trading. The Chinese government hasn’t done anything about it.

Just a reminder when you say all investigations point to Chinese wet market.

What investment? Who conducts these?

Is it like the investigation that were carried out like in Iraq?

We were told without a shadow of a dought that Iraq had WMD? Our own government stated this. And what happens?

The common man/women only know what theirs governments want them to know.

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

"I will be unpopular saying this, but I don't think the blame should lay with China.

Each country has taken their own decisions re how to respond to this pandemic. These decisions should be founded in scientific advice and recommendations from WHO.

Countries where those decisions were made promptly have fared much better than others.

No I don't think you will be unpopular I think you are spot on.

Hell we all laughed when China started doing lockdown and wearing face masks.

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