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"I am well aware of the insurance that is required to get , well any treatment. And free hospitals are few and far between. Seeing the soaring death rates in the USA in the news yet claims that they have a massive surplus of ventilators and certain black communities are getting hit the hardest. Does this mean basically the people who can afford the treatment are ok and they are letting people die who can't afford treatment or is this completely wrong? I really don't understand the American medical system or their politics. But it proves how important our NHS is and the importance of keeping it going properly funded." I think..and I may be wrong..if you dont have private medical insurance..you get a basic level of healthcare. Whereas if you pay..you get a much better standard.Some jobs offer private healthcare I think? Obvs the more you pay the better access you get. Regards covid if you pay you prob get priority testing and treatment.If not you are at the back of the queue.I think its hitting black communities bad isnt it? I think thats how it works anyway. | |||
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"I am well aware of the insurance that is required to get , well any treatment. And free hospitals are few and far between. Seeing the soaring death rates in the USA in the news yet claims that they have a massive surplus of ventilators and certain black communities are getting hit the hardest. Does this mean basically the people who can afford the treatment are ok and they are letting people die who can't afford treatment or is this completely wrong? I really don't understand the American medical system or their politics. But it proves how important our NHS is and the importance of keeping it going properly funded. I think..and I may be wrong..if you dont have private medical insurance..you get a basic level of healthcare. Whereas if you pay..you get a much better standard.Some jobs offer private healthcare I think? Obvs the more you pay the better access you get. Regards covid if you pay you prob get priority testing and treatment.If not you are at the back of the queue.I think its hitting black communities bad isnt it? I think thats how it works anyway." Does this explain the boasts of trump regards the amount of Tests being done, in that the insurance firms are paying for those that can afford it? | |||
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"I thought without insurance you get whacked with a bill to pay for any treatment etc you receive ? " I'm not sure..I remember reading you get a basic level but if you need treatment/operation etc you get whacked with a big bill People have lost their homes over their because of it. | |||
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"I am well aware of the insurance that is required to get , well any treatment. And free hospitals are few and far between. Seeing the soaring death rates in the USA in the news yet claims that they have a massive surplus of ventilators and certain black communities are getting hit the hardest. Does this mean basically the people who can afford the treatment are ok and they are letting people die who can't afford treatment or is this completely wrong? I really don't understand the American medical system or their politics. But it proves how important our NHS is and the importance of keeping it going properly funded. I think..and I may be wrong..if you dont have private medical insurance..you get a basic level of healthcare. Whereas if you pay..you get a much better standard.Some jobs offer private healthcare I think? Obvs the more you pay the better access you get. Regards covid if you pay you prob get priority testing and treatment.If not you are at the back of the queue.I think its hitting black communities bad isnt it? I think thats how it works anyway. Does this explain the boasts of trump regards the amount of Tests being done, in that the insurance firms are paying for those that can afford it?" Surely you know to say what that moron says with a huge pinch of salt. | |||
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"I lived in the states for a while. They check if you’re insured on a database like the police use here for your car. No one gets turned away from a hospital as that is against the doctors oath. But yes you get a basic care and you will be billed for it. People do lose houses over unpaid medical bills. " That's fucked up. What if you have a long term illness like cancer or diabetes? You're supposed to be die? | |||
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"I think I read on here somewhere that someone's relative had corona and the bill was 30K dollars. " Maybe that was me, my sister was hospitalised after testing positive. She is a long established self employed white collar professional. She was in hospital for 6 days, I'm told the hospital bill is just shy of $40,000. They (the family) pay something in the region of $500 a month for health insurance. What they will end up paying is not fully clear yet. After something like there's a bargaining and negotiating process between the patient, healthcare provider and insurance provider. The healthcare system is very complex and varies by state. Health insurance is often provided by employer but its a very complex system Wiki has an overview of the process, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance_in_the_United_States | |||
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"I am well aware of the insurance that is required to get , well any treatment. And free hospitals are few and far between. Seeing the soaring death rates in the USA in the news yet claims that they have a massive surplus of ventilators and certain black communities are getting hit the hardest. Does this mean basically the people who can afford the treatment are ok and they are letting people die who can't afford treatment or is this completely wrong? I really don't understand the American medical system or their politics. But it proves how important our NHS is and the importance of keeping it going properly funded." There's quite a few different factors in play here. Some health, others socio-economic and some is politics at local state and federal levels. CV19 is hardest on those with poor health or preexisting conditions like diabetes and obesity, which are very high in certain black communities. Messaging also comes into this as well, put simply theres been a failure in getting the message accross. As already stated elsewhere in the thread, your healthcare is directly related to your ability to pay. Cities and States in the US have much autonomy in decision making, some have got ahead of this, others have been very reluctant to act. What is happening on a federal level is nothing short of criminal. States have to compete in auction for vital medical equipment. Kushner is the genius behind this fuckery. Trump is also using medical equipment allocation to punish enemies and reward friends. | |||
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"And trump wants his grubby little hands on the NHS" Except he doesn’t | |||
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"And trump wants his grubby little hands on the NHS Except he doesn’t " When asked if the NHS was involved in a future trade dealtrimo said"everything is on The table' Source bbc news | |||
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"And trump wants his grubby little hands on the NHS Except he doesn’t When asked if the NHS was involved in a future trade dealtrimo said"everything is on The table' Source bbc news" When asked on 3rd December last year stated he wants ‘nothing to do’ with it and wouldn’t be interested if it came ‘on a silver platter’. Source BBC News | |||
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"And trump wants his grubby little hands on the NHS Except he doesn’t When asked if the NHS was involved in a future trade dealtrimo said"everything is on The table' Source bbc news When asked on 3rd December last year stated he wants ‘nothing to do’ with it and wouldn’t be interested if it came ‘on a silver platter’. Source BBC News" So he says 1 thing 1 day and contradicts himself the next How unlike him | |||
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"Has Obamacare gone completely? " The very day President Trump was sworn in — Jan. 20, 2017 — he signed an executive order instructing administration officials "to waive, defer, grant exemptions from, or delay" implementing parts of the Affordable Care Act, while Congress got ready to repeal and replace President Obama's signature health law. Since then it has been eroded inch by inch to be replaced with Trump's amazing medical care scheme. Which they are still waiting for.... Maybe it's like the cliffhanger at the end of a TV series season that has you waiting for the next season to come out.... | |||
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"Has Obamacare gone completely? The very day President Trump was sworn in — Jan. 20, 2017 — he signed an executive order instructing administration officials "to waive, defer, grant exemptions from, or delay" implementing parts of the Affordable Care Act, while Congress got ready to repeal and replace President Obama's signature health law. Since then it has been eroded inch by inch to be replaced with Trump's amazing medical care scheme. Which they are still waiting for.... Maybe it's like the cliffhanger at the end of a TV series season that has you waiting for the next season to come out.... " I saw a bit on The news where ordinary Americans were protesting against it. A system that would actually benefit them | |||
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"what he actually wants to for American drugs companies to have access to the NHS. It’s good it means we have more companies to source from and should lower costs. " American drugs companies are more .expensive | |||
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"Where’s Fabio? He’s a man who knows stuff like this, a source of quality information ... " right.... the best way i can explain it is to say it's complicated, so the because the describe it is to take out those that are covered... and then show you where the gaps are! so right, at a "basic" health insurance level: a)those under 18 are covered under what is known as "chips" (childrens health insurance packages) b) those over 65 are covered by what is known as "medicare" (think of that as a basic us version of the nhs) c) the poorest are normally covered under what is known as "medicaid"... but it is administered by the states and criteria can vary... even though it is means tested, being poor alone doesn't always get you cover! now remember the term "basic".. the problems arise that they can charge you more if you have pre-existing conditions... and because it only covers you up to a certain dollar amount, if you have to have certain care, you still need to cover that from your own pocket.... the problem is that sometimes the insurance cover (if you are not getting it thru your employers) can be so expensive thats why some don get it.... so you have a bunch of people that aren't poor enough to get medicare but aren't rich enough to be able to afford health insurance! and thats the gap that the "affordable care act" was suppose to fix.... so basically "states" were suppose to offer a package that you couldn't turn people down for pre existing conditions, and basically be at the level of coverage as "medicare" it was subsidised by the govt....so if was more affordable for hose who couldn't get cover in the past... the problem is that because "states" had to make this package available.... some "red" ones (republican) refused to take the money to subsidise it.... because they didn't want to make it so attractive against private health insurance cover... hope that helps.... | |||
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"Has Obamacare gone completely? The very day President Trump was sworn in — Jan. 20, 2017 — he signed an executive order instructing administration officials "to waive, defer, grant exemptions from, or delay" implementing parts of the Affordable Care Act, while Congress got ready to repeal and replace President Obama's signature health law. Since then it has been eroded inch by inch to be replaced with Trump's amazing medical care scheme. Which they are still waiting for.... Maybe it's like the cliffhanger at the end of a TV series season that has you waiting for the next season to come out.... I saw a bit on The news where ordinary Americans were protesting against it. A system that would actually benefit them " Well it turns out Trump was right. There are now no cases of COVID-19 in the USA. A few people got sniffles but it's nothing as bad as the flu. Bloody Dems and their hoaxes! | |||
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"what he actually wants to for American drugs companies to have access to the NHS. It’s good it means we have more companies to source from and should lower costs. American drugs companies are more .expensive" But as we have a monopolies law in this country there is competition. If they are more expensive they don’t get used. | |||
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"And trump wants his grubby little hands on the NHS Except he doesn’t When asked if the NHS was involved in a future trade dealtrimo said"everything is on The table' Source bbc news When asked on 3rd December last year stated he wants ‘nothing to do’ with it and wouldn’t be interested if it came ‘on a silver platter’. Source BBC News So he says 1 thing 1 day and contradicts himself the next How unlike him " I’m not trying to defend Trump or the American system, I’m just pointing out you can’t come out with ridiculous statements that suit your agenda when there is evidence to the contrary. | |||
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"what he actually wants to for American drugs companies to have access to the NHS. It’s good it means we have more companies to source from and should lower costs. American drugs companies are more .expensive But as we have a monopolies law in this country there is competition. If they are more expensive they don’t get used. " there is a bit of truth to that.... the other reason why drugs are more expensive is the buying power the NHS acts as one big company so they can drive the prices down for drugs they get.... the weird thing is that it is against US law for medicare to do the same thing! so it is up to individual hospitals to do the purchasing..... | |||
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"And trump wants his grubby little hands on the NHS Except he doesn’t When asked if the NHS was involved in a future trade dealtrimo said"everything is on The table' Source bbc news When asked on 3rd December last year stated he wants ‘nothing to do’ with it and wouldn’t be interested if it came ‘on a silver platter’. Source BBC News So he says 1 thing 1 day and contradicts himself the next How unlike him I’m not trying to defend Trump or the American system, I’m just pointing out you can’t come out with ridiculous statements that suit your agenda when there is evidence to the contrary. " Try sticking to the topic and not resorting to pathetic insults. He said in black and white it's on the table. He then contradicted himself. You believe what you want to believe. | |||
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"what he actually wants to for American drugs companies to have access to the NHS. It’s good it means we have more companies to source from and should lower costs. American drugs companies are more .expensive But as we have a monopolies law in this country there is competition. If they are more expensive they don’t get used. there is a bit of truth to that.... the other reason why drugs are more expensive is the buying power the NHS acts as one big company so they can drive the prices down for drugs they get.... the weird thing is that it is against US law for medicare to do the same thing! so it is up to individual hospitals to do the purchasing....." So each individual hospital would have to negotiate a price? | |||
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"And trump wants his grubby little hands on the NHS Except he doesn’t When asked if the NHS was involved in a future trade dealtrimo said"everything is on The table' Source bbc news When asked on 3rd December last year stated he wants ‘nothing to do’ with it and wouldn’t be interested if it came ‘on a silver platter’. Source BBC News So he says 1 thing 1 day and contradicts himself the next How unlike him I’m not trying to defend Trump or the American system, I’m just pointing out you can’t come out with ridiculous statements that suit your agenda when there is evidence to the contrary. Try sticking to the topic and not resorting to pathetic insults. He said in black and white it's on the table. He then contradicted himself. You believe what you want to believe." You really don't like people having a difference of opinion do you? I can't see any 'pathetic insults'in his statement. | |||
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"what he actually wants to for American drugs companies to have access to the NHS. It’s good it means we have more companies to source from and should lower costs. American drugs companies are more .expensive But as we have a monopolies law in this country there is competition. If they are more expensive they don’t get used. there is a bit of truth to that.... the other reason why drugs are more expensive is the buying power the NHS acts as one big company so they can drive the prices down for drugs they get.... the weird thing is that it is against US law for medicare to do the same thing! so it is up to individual hospitals to do the purchasing..... So each individual hospital would have to negotiate a price?" No he clearly states that’s what happens in America. We are not adopting the same procurement strategy | |||
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"And trump wants his grubby little hands on the NHS Except he doesn’t When asked if the NHS was involved in a future trade dealtrimo said"everything is on The table' Source bbc news When asked on 3rd December last year stated he wants ‘nothing to do’ with it and wouldn’t be interested if it came ‘on a silver platter’. Source BBC News So he says 1 thing 1 day and contradicts himself the next How unlike him I’m not trying to defend Trump or the American system, I’m just pointing out you can’t come out with ridiculous statements that suit your agenda when there is evidence to the contrary. Try sticking to the topic and not resorting to pathetic insults. He said in black and white it's on the table. He then contradicted himself. You believe what you want to believe. You really don't like people having a difference of opinion do you? I can't see any 'pathetic insults'in his statement." Go and bother someone else | |||
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"what he actually wants to for American drugs companies to have access to the NHS. It’s good it means we have more companies to source from and should lower costs. American drugs companies are more .expensive But as we have a monopolies law in this country there is competition. If they are more expensive they don’t get used. " Do you know what it costs to make insulin and what insulin costs? Just for example. Look up Valeant.... yes it happened in the US but we are getting screwed too. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/insulin-costs-nhs-five-times-more-than-it-should-swr32q09q | |||
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"what he actually wants to for American drugs companies to have access to the NHS. It’s good it means we have more companies to source from and should lower costs. American drugs companies are more .expensive But as we have a monopolies law in this country there is competition. If they are more expensive they don’t get used. there is a bit of truth to that.... the other reason why drugs are more expensive is the buying power the NHS acts as one big company so they can drive the prices down for drugs they get.... the weird thing is that it is against US law for medicare to do the same thing! so it is up to individual hospitals to do the purchasing..... So each individual hospital would have to negotiate a price? No he clearly states that’s what happens in America. We are not adopting the same procurement strategy " Can you show me a link to the current Anglo us trade/procurement deal re medical supplies | |||
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"And trump wants his grubby little hands on the NHS Except he doesn’t When asked if the NHS was involved in a future trade dealtrimo said"everything is on The table' Source bbc news When asked on 3rd December last year stated he wants ‘nothing to do’ with it and wouldn’t be interested if it came ‘on a silver platter’. Source BBC News So he says 1 thing 1 day and contradicts himself the next How unlike him I’m not trying to defend Trump or the American system, I’m just pointing out you can’t come out with ridiculous statements that suit your agenda when there is evidence to the contrary. Try sticking to the topic and not resorting to pathetic insults. He said in black and white it's on the table. He then contradicted himself. You believe what you want to believe." 1. The topic is the American medical system - you brought Trump into it. 2. Please feel free to highlight where I have insulted anyone. Challenging someone’s ideology and providing evidence in support is not the same as an insult 3. Just because what I believe differs to you doesn’t mean I’m anymore right, or wrong than you | |||
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"what he actually wants to for American drugs companies to have access to the NHS. It’s good it means we have more companies to source from and should lower costs. American drugs companies are more .expensive But as we have a monopolies law in this country there is competition. If they are more expensive they don’t get used. there is a bit of truth to that.... the other reason why drugs are more expensive is the buying power the NHS acts as one big company so they can drive the prices down for drugs they get.... the weird thing is that it is against US law for medicare to do the same thing! so it is up to individual hospitals to do the purchasing..... So each individual hospital would have to negotiate a price? No he clearly states that’s what happens in America. We are not adopting the same procurement strategy Can you show me a link to the current Anglo us trade/procurement deal re medical supplies" There isn’t one at the moment. We are tied into European companies only. I worked GSK so do know this industry and Mrs was at drug regulation in London. It is something we know. | |||
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"And trump wants his grubby little hands on the NHS Except he doesn’t When asked if the NHS was involved in a future trade dealtrimo said"everything is on The table' Source bbc news When asked on 3rd December last year stated he wants ‘nothing to do’ with it and wouldn’t be interested if it came ‘on a silver platter’. Source BBC News So he says 1 thing 1 day and contradicts himself the next How unlike him I’m not trying to defend Trump or the American system, I’m just pointing out you can’t come out with ridiculous statements that suit your agenda when there is evidence to the contrary. Try sticking to the topic and not resorting to pathetic insults. He said in black and white it's on the table. He then contradicted himself. You believe what you want to believe. 1. The topic is the American medical system - you brought Trump into it. 2. Please feel free to highlight where I have insulted anyone. Challenging someone’s ideology and providing evidence in support is not the same as an insult 3. Just because what I believe differs to you doesn’t mean I’m anymore right, or wrong than you " The topic Is the American health care system..trump is president..see the link. I quoted exactly what trump said and you said it was a 'ridiculous statement' I'm.happy to argue without anyone with rubbishing their opinion | |||
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"what he actually wants to for American drugs companies to have access to the NHS. It’s good it means we have more companies to source from and should lower costs. American drugs companies are more .expensive But as we have a monopolies law in this country there is competition. If they are more expensive they don’t get used. there is a bit of truth to that.... the other reason why drugs are more expensive is the buying power the NHS acts as one big company so they can drive the prices down for drugs they get.... the weird thing is that it is against US law for medicare to do the same thing! so it is up to individual hospitals to do the purchasing..... So each individual hospital would have to negotiate a price? No he clearly states that’s what happens in America. We are not adopting the same procurement strategy Can you show me a link to the current Anglo us trade/procurement deal re medical supplies There isn’t one at the moment. We are tied into European companies only. I worked GSK so do know this industry and Mrs was at drug regulation in London. It is something we know. " So you can say with absolutele certainly..if we buy drugs from american companies,we will be paying less than what we are now? | |||
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"what he actually wants to for American drugs companies to have access to the NHS. It’s good it means we have more companies to source from and should lower costs. American drugs companies are more .expensive But as we have a monopolies law in this country there is competition. If they are more expensive they don’t get used. there is a bit of truth to that.... the other reason why drugs are more expensive is the buying power the NHS acts as one big company so they can drive the prices down for drugs they get.... the weird thing is that it is against US law for medicare to do the same thing! so it is up to individual hospitals to do the purchasing..... So each individual hospital would have to negotiate a price? No he clearly states that’s what happens in America. We are not adopting the same procurement strategy Can you show me a link to the current Anglo us trade/procurement deal re medical supplies There isn’t one at the moment. We are tied into European companies only. I worked GSK so do know this industry and Mrs was at drug regulation in London. It is something we know. So you can say with absolutele certainly..if we buy drugs from american companies,we will be paying less than what we are now?" I don't think anyone claimed any such thing. But basic economics tell us that the bigger the purchasing power, the more likelihood of a cheaper price. | |||
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"what he actually wants to for American drugs companies to have access to the NHS. It’s good it means we have more companies to source from and should lower costs. American drugs companies are more .expensive But as we have a monopolies law in this country there is competition. If they are more expensive they don’t get used. there is a bit of truth to that.... the other reason why drugs are more expensive is the buying power the NHS acts as one big company so they can drive the prices down for drugs they get.... the weird thing is that it is against US law for medicare to do the same thing! so it is up to individual hospitals to do the purchasing..... So each individual hospital would have to negotiate a price? No he clearly states that’s what happens in America. We are not adopting the same procurement strategy Can you show me a link to the current Anglo us trade/procurement deal re medical supplies There isn’t one at the moment. We are tied into European companies only. I worked GSK so do know this industry and Mrs was at drug regulation in London. It is something we know. So you can say with absolutele certainly..if we buy drugs from american companies,we will be paying less than what we are now? I don't think anyone claimed any such thing. But basic economics tell us that the bigger the purchasing power, the more likelihood of a cheaper price." See post further up Should be cheaper | |||
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"what he actually wants to for American drugs companies to have access to the NHS. It’s good it means we have more companies to source from and should lower costs. American drugs companies are more .expensive But as we have a monopolies law in this country there is competition. If they are more expensive they don’t get used. there is a bit of truth to that.... the other reason why drugs are more expensive is the buying power the NHS acts as one big company so they can drive the prices down for drugs they get.... the weird thing is that it is against US law for medicare to do the same thing! so it is up to individual hospitals to do the purchasing..... So each individual hospital would have to negotiate a price? No he clearly states that’s what happens in America. We are not adopting the same procurement strategy Can you show me a link to the current Anglo us trade/procurement deal re medical supplies There isn’t one at the moment. We are tied into European companies only. I worked GSK so do know this industry and Mrs was at drug regulation in London. It is something we know. So you can say with absolutele certainly..if we buy drugs from american companies,we will be paying less than what we are now? I don't think anyone claimed any such thing. But basic economics tell us that the bigger the purchasing power, the more likelihood of a cheaper price. See post further up Should be cheaper" Should lower costs is not the same as 'absolute certainty' | |||
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"Well because we still have the trade links to Europe for drugs and the fact that the NHS has to declare their costs through the freedom of information act. If someone in the NHS goes with a more expensive company they will have to answer for that. " So we simply dont know then? They could be cheaper they could be a lot more expensive? There was a ch4 dispatches show saying they could be a lot more expensive. | |||
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"what he actually wants to for American drugs companies to have access to the NHS. It’s good it means we have more companies to source from and should lower costs. American drugs companies are more .expensive But as we have a monopolies law in this country there is competition. If they are more expensive they don’t get used. there is a bit of truth to that.... the other reason why drugs are more expensive is the buying power the NHS acts as one big company so they can drive the prices down for drugs they get.... the weird thing is that it is against US law for medicare to do the same thing! so it is up to individual hospitals to do the purchasing..... So each individual hospital would have to negotiate a price? No he clearly states that’s what happens in America. We are not adopting the same procurement strategy Can you show me a link to the current Anglo us trade/procurement deal re medical supplies There isn’t one at the moment. We are tied into European companies only. I worked GSK so do know this industry and Mrs was at drug regulation in London. It is something we know. So you can say with absolutele certainly..if we buy drugs from american companies,we will be paying less than what we are now? I don't think anyone claimed any such thing. But basic economics tell us that the bigger the purchasing power, the more likelihood of a cheaper price. See post further up Should be cheaper Should lower costs is not the same as 'absolute certainty'" Please go away | |||
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"what he actually wants to for American drugs companies to have access to the NHS. It’s good it means we have more companies to source from and should lower costs. American drugs companies are more .expensive But as we have a monopolies law in this country there is competition. If they are more expensive they don’t get used. there is a bit of truth to that.... the other reason why drugs are more expensive is the buying power the NHS acts as one big company so they can drive the prices down for drugs they get.... the weird thing is that it is against US law for medicare to do the same thing! so it is up to individual hospitals to do the purchasing..... So each individual hospital would have to negotiate a price? No he clearly states that’s what happens in America. We are not adopting the same procurement strategy Can you show me a link to the current Anglo us trade/procurement deal re medical supplies There isn’t one at the moment. We are tied into European companies only. I worked GSK so do know this industry and Mrs was at drug regulation in London. It is something we know. So you can say with absolutele certainly..if we buy drugs from american companies,we will be paying less than what we are now? I don't think anyone claimed any such thing. But basic economics tell us that the bigger the purchasing power, the more likelihood of a cheaper price. See post further up Should be cheaper Should lower costs is not the same as 'absolute certainty' Please go away" This is an open forum. If you don't like my input you are free to ignore it | |||
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"what he actually wants to for American drugs companies to have access to the NHS. It’s good it means we have more companies to source from and should lower costs. American drugs companies are more .expensive But as we have a monopolies law in this country there is competition. If they are more expensive they don’t get used. there is a bit of truth to that.... the other reason why drugs are more expensive is the buying power the NHS acts as one big company so they can drive the prices down for drugs they get.... the weird thing is that it is against US law for medicare to do the same thing! so it is up to individual hospitals to do the purchasing..... So each individual hospital would have to negotiate a price? No he clearly states that’s what happens in America. We are not adopting the same procurement strategy Can you show me a link to the current Anglo us trade/procurement deal re medical supplies There isn’t one at the moment. We are tied into European companies only. I worked GSK so do know this industry and Mrs was at drug regulation in London. It is something we know. So you can say with absolutele certainly..if we buy drugs from american companies,we will be paying less than what we are now? I don't think anyone claimed any such thing. But basic economics tell us that the bigger the purchasing power, the more likelihood of a cheaper price. See post further up Should be cheaper Should lower costs is not the same as 'absolute certainty' Please go away This is an open forum. If you don't like my input you are free to ignore it" Done. | |||
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"Yes but we don’t have to buy them. The whole point is at the moment the United States medical industry has very little market in Europe. The EU keeps all drugs trade within itself. What he wants is a way to expand the market. We aren’t tied into American drugs only but they can then trade over here. If too much they don’t get purchased. Unless they have a drug that no one else has, until it’s patent runs out then everyone can manufacture it. " if you got money in Pfizer you will be making a lot very soon. | |||
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"Yes but we don’t have to buy them. The whole point is at the moment the United States medical industry has very little market in Europe. The EU keeps all drugs trade within itself. What he wants is a way to expand the market. We aren’t tied into American drugs only but they can then trade over here. If too much they don’t get purchased. Unless they have a drug that no one else has, until it’s patent runs out then everyone can manufacture it. " Doesnt trump think they sell medicine too cheaply? | |||
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"Yes but we don’t have to buy them. The whole point is at the moment the United States medical industry has very little market in Europe. The EU keeps all drugs trade within itself. What he wants is a way to expand the market. We aren’t tied into American drugs only but they can then trade over here. If too much they don’t get purchased. Unless they have a drug that no one else has, until it’s patent runs out then everyone can manufacture it. if you got money in Pfizer you will be making a lot very soon." GSK is still making a fortune on it's Discus line for which the patent ran out years ago and now making a fortune on their Elipta inhalers too. Good company to buy shares in | |||
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"Yes but we don’t have to buy them. The whole point is at the moment the United States medical industry has very little market in Europe. The EU keeps all drugs trade within itself. What he wants is a way to expand the market. We aren’t tied into American drugs only but they can then trade over here. If too much they don’t get purchased. Unless they have a drug that no one else has, until it’s patent runs out then everyone can manufacture it. Doesnt trump think they sell medicine too cheaply?" Think is a bit of a strong word. Says. | |||
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"I lived in the states for a while. They check if you’re insured on a database like the police use here for your car. No one gets turned away from a hospital as that is against the doctors oath. But yes you get a basic care and you will be billed for it. People do lose houses over unpaid medical bills. That's fucked up. What if you have a long term illness like cancer or diabetes? You're supposed to be die? " Depends on your income (if you earn nothing you can get free help but it is basic - like someone here already posted) - Other countries like South Africa have the same sort of system, at the end of the day you still pay it is just that in the UK they average it out from your tax and pay that to the NHS, so if you are well you subsidise the sick basically which is why we need a lot of healthy people here. In a free market system you are suppose to look after yourself and not rely on the state - so that is a basic difference - hence you pay cash or take out insurance in case something bad happens to you. | |||
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"Yes but we don’t have to buy them. The whole point is at the moment the United States medical industry has very little market in Europe. The EU keeps all drugs trade within itself. What he wants is a way to expand the market. We aren’t tied into American drugs only but they can then trade over here. If too much they don’t get purchased. Unless they have a drug that no one else has, until it’s patent runs out then everyone can manufacture it. if you got money in Pfizer you will be making a lot very soon. GSK is still making a fortune on it's Discus line for which the patent ran out years ago and now making a fortune on their Elipta inhalers too. Good company to buy shares in " GSK is British | |||
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"I lived in the states for a while. They check if you’re insured on a database like the police use here for your car. No one gets turned away from a hospital as that is against the doctors oath. But yes you get a basic care and you will be billed for it. People do lose houses over unpaid medical bills. That's fucked up. What if you have a long term illness like cancer or diabetes? You're supposed to be die? Depends on your income (if you earn nothing you can get free help but it is basic - like someone here already posted) - Other countries like South Africa have the same sort of system, at the end of the day you still pay it is just that in the UK they average it out from your tax and pay that to the NHS, so if you are well you subsidise the sick basically which is why we need a lot of healthy people here. In a free market system you are suppose to look after yourself and not rely on the state - so that is a basic difference - hence you pay cash or take out insurance in case something bad happens to you." I never knew Germany had the worlds 1st free healthcare system in the world. | |||
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"I lived in the states for a while. They check if you’re insured on a database like the police use here for your car. No one gets turned away from a hospital as that is against the doctors oath. But yes you get a basic care and you will be billed for it. People do lose houses over unpaid medical bills. That's fucked up. What if you have a long term illness like cancer or diabetes? You're supposed to be die? Depends on your income (if you earn nothing you can get free help but it is basic - like someone here already posted) - Other countries like South Africa have the same sort of system, at the end of the day you still pay it is just that in the UK they average it out from your tax and pay that to the NHS, so if you are well you subsidise the sick basically which is why we need a lot of healthy people here. In a free market system you are suppose to look after yourself and not rely on the state - so that is a basic difference - hence you pay cash or take out insurance in case something bad happens to you." In South Africa you have private hospitals and government hospitals. If you don't want to end up dying on a stretcher in a corridor and have your body lie their for three days you need medical aid. A decent medical aid costs more than the average mortgage payment | |||
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"Yes but we don’t have to buy them. The whole point is at the moment the United States medical industry has very little market in Europe. The EU keeps all drugs trade within itself. What he wants is a way to expand the market. We aren’t tied into American drugs only but they can then trade over here. If too much they don’t get purchased. Unless they have a drug that no one else has, until it’s patent runs out then everyone can manufacture it. if you got money in Pfizer you will be making a lot very soon. GSK is still making a fortune on it's Discus line for which the patent ran out years ago and now making a fortune on their Elipta inhalers too. Good company to buy shares in GSK is British" It is that | |||
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"I lived in the states for a while. They check if you’re insured on a database like the police use here for your car. No one gets turned away from a hospital as that is against the doctors oath. But yes you get a basic care and you will be billed for it. People do lose houses over unpaid medical bills. That's fucked up. What if you have a long term illness like cancer or diabetes? You're supposed to be die? Depends on your income (if you earn nothing you can get free help but it is basic - like someone here already posted) - Other countries like South Africa have the same sort of system, at the end of the day you still pay it is just that in the UK they average it out from your tax and pay that to the NHS, so if you are well you subsidise the sick basically which is why we need a lot of healthy people here. In a free market system you are suppose to look after yourself and not rely on the state - so that is a basic difference - hence you pay cash or take out insurance in case something bad happens to you. In South Africa you have private hospitals and government hospitals. If you don't want to end up dying on a stretcher in a corridor and have your body lie their for three days you need medical aid. A decent medical aid costs more than the average mortgage payment " The thing is we have partly that here..if I need an op i can pay and jump the queue and get it done. But at least there is some sort of safety that. Saying that I know someone who needed a heart op and they did they couldnt afford ot and she had to pay. | |||
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"I lived in the states for a while. They check if you’re insured on a database like the police use here for your car. No one gets turned away from a hospital as that is against the doctors oath. But yes you get a basic care and you will be billed for it. People do lose houses over unpaid medical bills. That's fucked up. What if you have a long term illness like cancer or diabetes? You're supposed to be die? Depends on your income (if you earn nothing you can get free help but it is basic - like someone here already posted) - Other countries like South Africa have the same sort of system, at the end of the day you still pay it is just that in the UK they average it out from your tax and pay that to the NHS, so if you are well you subsidise the sick basically which is why we need a lot of healthy people here. In a free market system you are suppose to look after yourself and not rely on the state - so that is a basic difference - hence you pay cash or take out insurance in case something bad happens to you. In South Africa you have private hospitals and government hospitals. If you don't want to end up dying on a stretcher in a corridor and have your body lie their for three days you need medical aid. A decent medical aid costs more than the average mortgage payment The thing is we have partly that here..if I need an op i can pay and jump the queue and get it done. But at least there is some sort of safety that. Saying that I know someone who needed a heart op and they did they couldnt afford ot and she had to pay." One of the biggest medical aid companies in South Africa is Discovery. One of their products is vitality, where they reward customers for a healthy lifestyle... sound familiar? | |||
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"The uninsured are dying by their thousands at home in the good old US of A.....uncared for and uncounted The ONLY thing Trump cares about is the economy and blaming anybody and everybody else for his woeful handling of the pandemic" Clarification. The only thing Trump cares about is the stock market. Not the economy as a whole. -Matt | |||
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"The problem with private medical care is that when institutions see you have private medical they crank up the costs, even the cotton swab you get before an injection gets billed (at a redicilous price). People who incur the costs don't mind because they never see the bill. The medical aid doesn't mind because they just pass their costs on to their customers. Everybody wins except the guy on the street. Decent health care becomes unaffordable. Then there is the issue of pre existing conditions which aren't covered... " Indeed. One of the main reasons why a lot of Americans think “we couldn’t afford a socialised healthcare system” is because they genuinely think it costs $50 to alcohol swab before an injection as that is what their healthcare bill says. -Matt | |||
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"These days nothing is free. Everyone should have some sort of health insurance on top of the NHS. " Say you cant afford it? | |||
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"These days nothing is free. Everyone should have some sort of health insurance on top of the NHS. Say you cant afford it?" Means tested NHS? Not saying that's my grand plan but could it work? | |||
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"These days nothing is free. Everyone should have some sort of health insurance on top of the NHS. Say you cant afford it? Means tested NHS? Not saying that's my grand plan but could it work?" But means tested would mean not everyone would have to pay if you couldnt afford it? | |||
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"These days nothing is free. Everyone should have some sort of health insurance on top of the NHS. Say you cant afford it? Means tested NHS? Not saying that's my grand plan but could it work? But means tested would mean not everyone would have to pay if you couldnt afford it?" You asked what if you can't afford it. So means testing would help those people. I'm all for the NHS but I'm also not against private healthcare should one be able to afford it | |||
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"These days nothing is free. Everyone should have some sort of health insurance on top of the NHS. Say you cant afford it? Means tested NHS? Not saying that's my grand plan but could it work? But means tested would mean not everyone would have to pay if you couldnt afford it? You asked what if you can't afford it. So means testing would help those people. I'm all for the NHS but I'm also not against private healthcare should one be able to afford it" But if you are means tested doesnt that mean if you can afford to pay..you should do..if you cant you dont? The op said everyone should have insurance. I think the issue is..is when parts of the nhs are privatised out..and these companies do not meet up to the level required by the NHS. | |||
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"These days nothing is free. Everyone should have some sort of health insurance on top of the NHS. Say you cant afford it? Means tested NHS? Not saying that's my grand plan but could it work? But means tested would mean not everyone would have to pay if you couldnt afford it? You asked what if you can't afford it. So means testing would help those people. I'm all for the NHS but I'm also not against private healthcare should one be able to afford it But if you are means tested doesnt that mean if you can afford to pay..you should do..if you cant you dont? The op said everyone should have insurance. I think the issue is..is when parts of the nhs are privatised out..and these companies do not meet up to the level required by the NHS. " If you cant afford it then you should get NHS treatment via means testing. Stop holding onto that one word. He hasn't been back to clarify. What I'm saying is not about privatisation of the NHS. For those who can afford it, we pay the NHS or private healthcare (our choice). Personally, I'd use the NHS hospitals. | |||
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"These days nothing is free. Everyone should have some sort of health insurance on top of the NHS. Say you cant afford it? Means tested NHS? Not saying that's my grand plan but could it work?" Im not being funny but i pay about £7000 per year to the nhs. I will now not retire untul the age of 70..if i make it that far. Thats £350 000 in todays money in my life time at a bare minumum. That should be plenty for all my lifetime hospital visits and sunsequent death by a country mile...i hope | |||
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"I seem to remember that the problem that trump has with the nhs is that its buying power has driven down the price they pay for American manufactured drugs to the point that they are cheaper here than in the states." Spot on there...its all about making money with him and not the long term bigger picture. And the withholding of vital medical equipment and ppe to states that voted against him is just wrong. | |||
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"These days nothing is free. Everyone should have some sort of health insurance on top of the NHS. Say you cant afford it? Means tested NHS? Not saying that's my grand plan but could it work? Im not being funny but i pay about £7000 per year to the nhs. I will now not retire untul the age of 70..if i make it that far. Thats £350 000 in todays money in my life time at a bare minumum. That should be plenty for all my lifetime hospital visits and sunsequent death by a country mile...i hope " How do you pay 7k per year to the nhs? | |||
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"These days nothing is free. Everyone should have some sort of health insurance on top of the NHS. Say you cant afford it? Means tested NHS? Not saying that's my grand plan but could it work? Im not being funny but i pay about £7000 per year to the nhs. I will now not retire untul the age of 70..if i make it that far. Thats £350 000 in todays money in my life time at a bare minumum. That should be plenty for all my lifetime hospital visits and sunsequent death by a country mile...i hope " But we all pay for everyone's health care..who uses it. | |||
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"I lived in the states for a while. They check if you’re insured on a database like the police use here for your car. No one gets turned away from a hospital as that is against the doctors oath. But yes you get a basic care and you will be billed for it. People do lose houses over unpaid medical bills. " I've friends in the states who've lost everything trying to pay back their medical bills. Paying back for the rest of their lives. People should think about this as an alternative to the NHS when at the voting Boothe. | |||
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"A bit off topic but just watched Young Turks saying that under normal circumstances 25 people die in their homes every day for whatever reason. That number is now averaging 250 people per day. These deaths are not being recorded as COVID-19 deaths. They are saying there is a cover up with the numbers to avoid embarrassing Trump. " Given that you will be presented with a bill when you go to a hospital in the US (even with insurance you have an excess to pay).... I think this is highly likely that many people will die at home. -Matt | |||
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"These days nothing is free. Everyone should have some sort of health insurance on top of the NHS. Say you cant afford it? Means tested NHS? Not saying that's my grand plan but could it work? Im not being funny but i pay about £7000 per year to the nhs. I will now not retire untul the age of 70..if i make it that far. Thats £350 000 in todays money in my life time at a bare minumum. That should be plenty for all my lifetime hospital visits and sunsequent death by a country mile...i hope But we all pay for everyone's health care..who uses it." We pay around the same (each) and on top pay around £200 a month extra tax not to use the NHS as Bupa global cover in the UK is taxed as income. It’s the system we have it’s not good quality compared to other countries you’re more likely to get sick being in hospital or GP waiting rooms as they are not clean but a lot of people have no choice. Americans simply don’t believe the government has the right to force someone to pay for someone else’s healthcare ! | |||
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"These days nothing is free. Everyone should have some sort of health insurance on top of the NHS. Say you cant afford it? Means tested NHS? Not saying that's my grand plan but could it work? Im not being funny but i pay about £7000 per year to the nhs. I will now not retire untul the age of 70..if i make it that far. Thats £350 000 in todays money in my life time at a bare minumum. That should be plenty for all my lifetime hospital visits and sunsequent death by a country mile...i hope But we all pay for everyone's health care..who uses it. We pay around the same (each) and on top pay around £200 a month extra tax not to use the NHS as Bupa global cover in the UK is taxed as income. It’s the system we have it’s not good quality compared to other countries you’re more likely to get sick being in hospital or GP waiting rooms as they are not clean but a lot of people have no choice. Americans simply don’t believe the government has the right to force someone to pay for someone else’s healthcare ! " that is right. only pay when you become sick. you can have cover. but many will risk thinking they will be ok. | |||
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"The problem with private medical care is that when institutions see you have private medical they crank up the costs, even the cotton swab you get before an injection gets billed (at a redicilous price). People who incur the costs don't mind because they never see the bill. The medical aid doesn't mind because they just pass their costs on to their customers. Everybody wins except the guy on the street. Decent health care becomes unaffordable. Then there is the issue of pre existing conditions which aren't covered... " Hospitals, labs, diagnostic centers and Physicians have contracts with insurance companies. If you’re in a hospital that’s contracted with, let’s say Aetna and you’re admitted for a 3 day stay due to appendicitis. For that diagnosis, surgery and recovery, your bill could easily be $15,000. But because that hospital is contracted with your insurance you are billed your co pay, the hospital is paid their contracted rate and the balance is written off. A provider could charge $100.00 for an aspirin but if the contracted reimbursement rate would be $2.00 that’s what’s paid and the balance is a write off. You may receive a bill for 10, 20 or 30k but it depends on your insurance, the contract written and what a patients deductible or co insurance is. Even with state insurance or Medicare the contracted rate applies. If a patient is admitted who is uninsured, social services steps in and coverage is found for that patient. So, to respond to your statement regarding “ cranking up the cost” that is against CMS and HHS guidelines and carries heavy penalties. The provider is at risk of losing their insurance contracts, fined or both. | |||
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"From recollection, if you decide to have a baby, it costs you around £3k in treatment but not sure what it includes. USA is just very expensive, gotta pay for higher education, health care, retirement care, and just about anything that we take for granted over here. " If I rememebr right, If an ambulance has to take you from your home to the hospital when you are pregnant about to have a baby the cost of transport alone is $6k. Yes And the cost of individually rapped sour throat sweet are $10 each. | |||
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"Right now they way it works. If you have insurance you get a cosy bed to die in. If you don't have insurance you get a bed. But they make their money off it. Would not surprise me. " Where are you getting this information. Just curious. I for one would love to have an insurance system such as the NHS here. I have private insurance that’s extremely expensive . | |||
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"Right now they way it works. If you have insurance you get a cosy bed to die in. If you don't have insurance you get a bed. But they make their money off it. Would not surprise me. Where are you getting this information. Just curious. I for one would love to have an insurance system such as the NHS here. I have private insurance that’s extremely expensive ." That is how the health system works. If a paitent is addmited to hospital via A&E the does not have insurance. Hospital don't operate. They get the person stable that's it. People don't realise what a shit system. If you want to know more what a film called John Q, it showed the truth of the American health system. | |||
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"I spoke with a black man in Central Park in Feb before this all broke he was painting portraits trying to make a few quid was a recovering alcoholic . Basically your insurance is governed by your income the more you earn and pay for it the better cover you get plus you get taken to the better facilities more equipment better staffing etc . If your poor and unemployed and on low income you get taken to the crap hospitals less equipment overcrowding fewer staff etc " Spot on and if you are poor you are limited to what kind of treatments you are covered for as well. A lot of people get health insurance from their work and some even offer health insurance for the employees family members. But if you make lots of money you see fine. | |||
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"Right now they way it works. If you have insurance you get a cosy bed to die in. If you don't have insurance you get a bed. But they make their money off it. Would not surprise me. Where are you getting this information. Just curious. I for one would love to have an insurance system such as the NHS here. I have private insurance that’s extremely expensive . That is how the health system works. If a paitent is addmited to hospital via A&E the does not have insurance. Hospital don't operate. They get the person stable that's it. People don't realise what a shit system. If you want to know more what a film called John Q, it showed the truth of the American health system. " It seems impossible to believe that a major 1st world country could have a system like this. Their incredulity when Obama tried to introduce his (slightly) fairer system was unbelievable, I recall some saying our health system was akin to communism, that's how far away they are from a universal health system based on need rather than cash. | |||
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"Right now they way it works. If you have insurance you get a cosy bed to die in. If you don't have insurance you get a bed. But they make their money off it. Would not surprise me. Where are you getting this information. Just curious. I for one would love to have an insurance system such as the NHS here. I have private insurance that’s extremely expensive . That is how the health system works. If a paitent is addmited to hospital via A&E the does not have insurance. Hospital don't operate. They get the person stable that's it. People don't realise what a shit system. If you want to know more what a film called John Q, it showed the truth of the American health system. It seems impossible to believe that a major 1st world country could have a system like this. Their incredulity when Obama tried to introduce his (slightly) fairer system was unbelievable, I recall some saying our health system was akin to communism, that's how far away they are from a universal health system based on need rather than cash." Yeah I remember that. Normall people were kicking off about a system that would benefit them | |||
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"Right now they way it works. If you have insurance you get a cosy bed to die in. If you don't have insurance you get a bed. But they make their money off it. Would not surprise me. Where are you getting this information. Just curious. I for one would love to have an insurance system such as the NHS here. I have private insurance that’s extremely expensive . That is how the health system works. If a paitent is addmited to hospital via A&E the does not have insurance. Hospital don't operate. They get the person stable that's it. People don't realise what a shit system. If you want to know more what a film called John Q, it showed the truth of the American health system. It seems impossible to believe that a major 1st world country could have a system like this. Their incredulity when Obama tried to introduce his (slightly) fairer system was unbelievable, I recall some saying our health system was akin to communism, that's how far away they are from a universal health system based on need rather than cash. Yeah I remember that. Normall people were kicking off about a system that would benefit them " You mean like Brexit? | |||
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"Right now they way it works. If you have insurance you get a cosy bed to die in. If you don't have insurance you get a bed. But they make their money off it. Would not surprise me. Where are you getting this information. Just curious. I for one would love to have an insurance system such as the NHS here. I have private insurance that’s extremely expensive . That is how the health system works. If a paitent is addmited to hospital via A&E the does not have insurance. Hospital don't operate. They get the person stable that's it. People don't realise what a shit system. If you want to know more what a film called John Q, it showed the truth of the American health system. It seems impossible to believe that a major 1st world country could have a system like this. Their incredulity when Obama tried to introduce his (slightly) fairer system was unbelievable, I recall some saying our health system was akin to communism, that's how far away they are from a universal health system based on need rather than cash. Yeah I remember that. Normall people were kicking off about a system that would benefit them You mean like Brexit? " No totally different. And completely irrelevant. | |||
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"Right now they way it works. If you have insurance you get a cosy bed to die in. If you don't have insurance you get a bed. But they make their money off it. Would not surprise me. Where are you getting this information. Just curious. I for one would love to have an insurance system such as the NHS here. I have private insurance that’s extremely expensive . That is how the health system works. If a paitent is addmited to hospital via A&E the does not have insurance. Hospital don't operate. They get the person stable that's it. People don't realise what a shit system. If you want to know more what a film called John Q, it showed the truth of the American health system. It seems impossible to believe that a major 1st world country could have a system like this. Their incredulity when Obama tried to introduce his (slightly) fairer system was unbelievable, I recall some saying our health system was akin to communism, that's how far away they are from a universal health system based on need rather than cash. Yeah I remember that. Normall people were kicking off about a system that would benefit them You mean like Brexit? No totally different. And completely irrelevant." Perhaps I picked a bad example, but there is a demographic that fear change and automatically assume it to be a bad thing....despite (some) evidence to the contrary | |||
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"Right now they way it works. If you have insurance you get a cosy bed to die in. If you don't have insurance you get a bed. But they make their money off it. Would not surprise me. Where are you getting this information. Just curious. I for one would love to have an insurance system such as the NHS here. I have private insurance that’s extremely expensive . That is how the health system works. If a paitent is addmited to hospital via A&E the does not have insurance. Hospital don't operate. They get the person stable that's it. People don't realise what a shit system. If you want to know more what a film called John Q, it showed the truth of the American health system. It seems impossible to believe that a major 1st world country could have a system like this. Their incredulity when Obama tried to introduce his (slightly) fairer system was unbelievable, I recall some saying our health system was akin to communism, that's how far away they are from a universal health system based on need rather than cash. Yeah I remember that. Normall people were kicking off about a system that would benefit them You mean like Brexit? No totally different. And completely irrelevant. Perhaps I picked a bad example, but there is a demographic that fear change and automatically assume it to be a bad thing....despite (some) evidence to the contrary " I think the demographic you are talking about wanted change but its nothing to do with this topic. I think in america they were led into thinking that free healthcare actually amounted to communism and were dead against it. | |||
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"The problem in the USA is that they don't have a health service, or even a health system - they have a market. If poor people die, if middle class people lose their homes because that's what the insurance system demands; so be it. Be thankful you don't live there. The UK has its faults, for sure; but even our current government - the very embodiment of the worst the Tory Party has to offer - were not prepared to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of us on the altar of capitalism. It's encouraging. As is the one, definite silver lining to Covid 19 - the NHS is now Tory-proof and Trump-proof." | |||
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" I think in america they were led into thinking that free healthcare actually amounted to communism and were dead against it." there were a couple of things going on... irony being if you ask people about the Affordable Care Act.. and the individual bits in it... you get a lot of positive reaction... if you put it in a bill... again positive reaction! you call it "obamacare"... and thats when it kicks off..... the problem republicans have in red states is that for the first time it gives a lot of their voters coverage that would never happen before.... and it one of those things that now you have let people have it.... its hard to then take it away! so for the last 8 years they basically ran on "we want to get rid of it!" but never came up with anything to replace it with.... both when they were in opposite, and now under trump! and thats why deomcrats win the healthcare arguement every single time! so what the republicans are doing are chipping away at it piece by piece (basically gutting it from the inside) for example... the individual mandate.. so part of this was "well if we are going to provide this at a discounted rate, anyone who didn't have insurance had to buy it or there would be a fine! this was take out by the republicans..... | |||
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"what he actually wants to for American drugs companies to have access to the NHS. It’s good it means we have more companies to source from and should lower costs. American drugs companies are more .expensive But as we have a monopolies law in this country there is competition. If they are more expensive they don’t get used. " Unfortunately, the trade deals that the USA signs leave them with the power and the little country with next to none. Prices the NHS pay now are often lower than those companies charge in the USA and the drug companies want that stopping. A trade deal would favour what the US industries want. UK institutions and any conflicting systems here would be overruled. It's worse for the UK. | |||
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"what he actually wants to for American drugs companies to have access to the NHS. It’s good it means we have more companies to source from and should lower costs. American drugs companies are more .expensive But as we have a monopolies law in this country there is competition. If they are more expensive they don’t get used. Unfortunately, the trade deals that the USA signs leave them with the power and the little country with next to none. Prices the NHS pay now are often lower than those companies charge in the USA and the drug companies want that stopping. A trade deal would favour what the US industries want. UK institutions and any conflicting systems here would be overruled. It's worse for the UK. " Wow where did you get that detail from? Any sources? We would be keen to know more. | |||
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"Yes but we don’t have to buy them. The whole point is at the moment the United States medical industry has very little market in Europe. The EU keeps all drugs trade within itself. What he wants is a way to expand the market. We aren’t tied into American drugs only but they can then trade over here. If too much they don’t get purchased. Unless they have a drug that no one else has, until it’s patent runs out then everyone can manufacture it. " its that very last sentence that is the key.... its not because the EU want to keep the drugs market to itself! what the us want to do is increase the patent length for drugs created.... lets use "viagra" as an example... the patent length for pfizer, who made viagra, was 20 years... so no one could buy that specific product without pfizer determining what that price would be then in 2014... the patent was up... and thats when other people could make and sell that product, so why would people then what to buy that product from pfizer when anyone else could make it and sell it at a cheaper rate! the NHS (and other socialised health systems) can bulk buy... but they do will also buy older drugs that will do the same job because they tend to be cheaper because they can be bought from either the original producer or they can use a generic alternative... competition vs exclusivity | |||
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"The other thing that is unmentioned in this thread is ideology. So many American have a near genetic opposition the idea of someone else getting the benefit of their taxes. So the idea of shared risk or costs is completely contrary to their creed of individualism." Good point | |||
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