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"Before you put me down, we need a strong leader, remember Churchill???, like i said, im no tory, but im not stupid. " Must. Not. Bite.  | |||
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"Before you put me down, we need a strong leader, remember Churchill???, like i said, im no tory, but im not stupid. " Or perhaps a coalition..? One thing Churchill knew was that to carry all in one goal there had to be cross party involvement.. | |||
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"Before you put me down, we need a strong leader, remember Churchill???, like i said, im no tory, but im not stupid. Must. Not. Bite. "Your a scouser, you lot moan about everything lol | |||
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"Before you put me down, we need a strong leader, remember Churchill???, like i said, im no tory, but im not stupid. Or perhaps a coalition..? One thing Churchill knew was that to carry all in one goal there had to be cross party involvement.. " Wouldnt fall for that trick if I was labour. | |||
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"Before you put me down, we need a strong leader, remember Churchill???, like i said, im no tory, but im not stupid. Or perhaps a coalition..? One thing Churchill knew was that to carry all in one goal there had to be cross party involvement.. That is up to Labour lol " | |||
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"Before you put me down, we need a strong leader, remember Churchill???, like i said, im no tory, but im not stupid. Must. Not. Bite.
Your a scouser, you lot moan about everything lol"Bantz. | |||
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"I am not a fan of Borris at all but i do hope he makes it through this as i wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. Besides that i do think he is doing the best job he can at this very strange time he has given help we did not expect and lead from the front. What more could we ask of him xxx" At last someone with some common sense | |||
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"Before you put me down, we need a strong leader, remember Churchill???, like i said, im no tory, but im not stupid. " Lol. People say anything for a laugh. | |||
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"Before you put me down, we need a strong leader, remember Churchill???, like i said, im no tory, but im not stupid. Or perhaps a coalition..? One thing Churchill knew was that to carry all in one goal there had to be cross party involvement.. " Totally agree . The timing of the PM letter to the other party leaders was welcomed by all, especially the new leader of the opposition. Several shadow ministers have also voiced their support for how open the government departments have been to keep them up to speed with developments and strategy  | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team "He is hun x | |||
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"I am not a fan of Borris at all but i do hope he makes it through this as i wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. Besides that i do think he is doing the best job he can at this very strange time he has given help we did not expect and lead from the front. What more could we ask of him xxx" | |||
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"Before you put me down, we need a strong leader, remember Churchill???, like i said, im no tory, but im not stupid. Or perhaps a coalition..? One thing Churchill knew was that to carry all in one goal there had to be cross party involvement.. Totally agree . The timing of the PM letter to the other party leaders was welcomed by all, especially the new leader of the opposition. Several shadow ministers have also voiced their support for how open the government departments have been to keep them up to speed with developments and strategy "Stammer has only just got the job but has visibly not gone on the offensive. He said on Sunday the gmnt needs to ask some serious questions. | |||
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"I am not a fan of Borris at all but i do hope he makes it through this as i wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. Besides that i do think he is doing the best job he can at this very strange time he has given help we did not expect and lead from the front. What more could we ask of him xxx" . God bless you and your thoughts!! I really admire people like you very much | |||
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"Thank god we didn’t have corbyn in.. there’s be no army to help, but his revolution master plan would of been in full swing ... rule by anarchy ... from his heartland of Liverpool "That care in the community policy is certainly working a treat. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team "What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries? | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
He is hun x"Totally agree with this... we need him x | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?"It’s not a competition with other countries Focus on where we are and what we are doing to get through this . Very dangerous to start comparing with other countries ! | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?"He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
He is hun xTotally agree with this... we need him x "I hope he makes a recovery to full health asap. But do we fuck need him. | |||
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"Before you put me down, we need a strong leader, remember Churchill???, like i said, im no tory, but im not stupid. " We need a strong leader, yes, but don't get the comparisons between Churchill and Johnston. Boris is no Churchill! | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better. "Spain and Italy were much harder than us. Germany have seemed to be a lot more efficient. Like said above it's not a competition.Though our initial strategy seemed to be out of step with a lot of countries. | |||
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"Before you put me down, we need a strong leader, remember Churchill???, like i said, im no tory, but im not stupid. " We don’t really need him, as the government can function with out him and there are others in the party that can show strong leadership. But having said I do wish him well and a speedy recovery. | |||
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"People are unrealistic in their expectations at times. A government can’t stop a virus. They simply can’t and that doesn’t matter what party it is or who leads it. " No they cant but how they deal it is bound to be open to scrutiny. | |||
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"No we don’t need him is a muppet anyway .."Fact. | |||
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"No we don’t need him is a muppet anyway .."Oh if something like spitting image was around the writers would be having a field day with the current situration. | |||
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"No we don’t need him is a muppet anyway ..
Oh if something like spitting image was around the writers would be having a field day with the current situration." | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better. "Do you mean herd immunity? | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?"That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol. | |||
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"Look our Govt both in UK and up here in Scotland have made some mistakes and it is right that they are pressed on these to try and ensure doesn't happen again. However they are under immense pressure and they have dealt with it a lot better than some other Countries, although i do think they have been bit slow to react at times. I wouldnt want either the PM's or FM's jobs right now, especially with our rabid national tabloid press just waiting for them to slip up." Our rabid national press are on The whole right wing. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?"Was herd immunity Boris’s plan? You’ve only got to look at how people are already bored at home and want to get out. If we had been shut down earlier people would break the rules in the same way, resulting in a rise a rise in numbers at the wrong time. That’s why they pay professionals to decide these things. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol."All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
Was herd immunity Boris’s plan?
You’ve only got to look at how people are already bored at home and want to get out. If we had been shut down earlier people would break the rules in the same way, resulting in a rise a rise in numbers at the wrong time. That’s why they pay professionals to decide these things. "It was the initial plan which they adopted and quickly changed strategy. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
Was herd immunity Boris’s plan?
You’ve only got to look at how people are already bored at home and want to get out. If we had been shut down earlier people would break the rules in the same way, resulting in a rise a rise in numbers at the wrong time. That’s why they pay professionals to decide these things.
It was the initial plan which they adopted and quickly changed strategy."Was it? I heard it mentioned by someone but I didn’t know it was their plan. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity. "You don’t know that they were made too late. You just think it. Stupidity is seeing groups of people out on a jolly and ignoring the rules. They make matters worse. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
Was herd immunity Boris’s plan?
You’ve only got to look at how people are already bored at home and want to get out. If we had been shut down earlier people would break the rules in the same way, resulting in a rise a rise in numbers at the wrong time. That’s why they pay professionals to decide these things.
It was the initial plan which they adopted and quickly changed strategy.
Was it? I heard it mentioned by someone but I didn’t know it was their plan. "Yep that's what they went with initially.They would have been advised of course,but plenty were critical. They then changed course. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity.
You don’t know that they were made too late. You just think it. Stupidity is seeing groups of people out on a jolly and ignoring the rules. They make matters worse. "Like the thousands at Cheltenham Festival that Boris allowed to go ahead so he wouldn’t piss off the Conservative Party’s gambling industry sponsors? On a jolly, following the rules? But we’ve no evidence that these decisions were made too late, have we? | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
Was herd immunity Boris’s plan?
You’ve only got to look at how people are already bored at home and want to get out. If we had been shut down earlier people would break the rules in the same way, resulting in a rise a rise in numbers at the wrong time. That’s why they pay professionals to decide these things.
It was the initial plan which they adopted and quickly changed strategy.
Was it? I heard it mentioned by someone but I didn’t know it was their plan.
Yep that's what they went with initially.They would have been advised of course,but plenty were critical.
They then changed course."What I read indicated that the vulnerable would be protected and whilst others went about their daily business they would naturally catch the virus and then become immune but restrictions became tighter therefore slowing things down. That is how I understood herd immunity to be. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
Was herd immunity Boris’s plan?
You’ve only got to look at how people are already bored at home and want to get out. If we had been shut down earlier people would break the rules in the same way, resulting in a rise a rise in numbers at the wrong time. That’s why they pay professionals to decide these things. "Whose plan was it, if not the boris plan? He makes the final decisions as prime minister. Yes. You're right, people are bored at home. I understand this is excellent but I believe that restrictions should be introduced two or three weeks earlier than they were. The rest of the responsibility lies with people. Either comply with restrictions or not. It is difficult to assess what the number of infected and dead would be, but they would probably be smaller. The countries you mentioned made the same mistakes as boris and his team. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity. "What we should of done is took a page on how Taiwan and South Korea dealt with it as I mention near the start of the thread. They cut it at the source and if a person had it the but them in quarantine and trace the family an everyone they came into contact with and tested them also and put them in quarantine as well if they had the virus. Most properly we be in a better situration if we did what they did. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol."What is it with Liverpool people, always against everything this country does, its true what a friend said to me once, the Liverpool is the capital of ireland. Why put your own country down at every chance you get, no matter who leads us, we have to have a leader, thats a fact! In this we should all be 100 percent behind him. Let him see it through, just like people did with Churchill, and Churchill was hated by the working class, be they had enough common sense, to relise to get behind him, while we were in trouble. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity.
You don’t know that they were made too late. You just think it. Stupidity is seeing groups of people out on a jolly and ignoring the rules. They make matters worse.
Like the thousands at Cheltenham Festival that Boris allowed to go ahead so he wouldn’t piss off the Conservative Party’s gambling industry sponsors?
On a jolly, following the rules? But we’ve no evidence that these decisions were made too late, have we?"Yes a bit like Scotlands Chief medical officer going on her jollies for a coupe of weekends whilst reminding us to stay in. There are many double standards in life. Nonetheless I feel that the government is doing a good job under difficult circumstances. There’s no winning anyway is there? One side worry about the economy and one worry about the number of deaths and case. Please one, upset the other. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
Was herd immunity Boris’s plan?
You’ve only got to look at how people are already bored at home and want to get out. If we had been shut down earlier people would break the rules in the same way, resulting in a rise a rise in numbers at the wrong time. That’s why they pay professionals to decide these things.
It was the initial plan which they adopted and quickly changed strategy.
Was it? I heard it mentioned by someone but I didn’t know it was their plan.
Yep that's what they went with initially.They would have been advised of course,but plenty were critical.
They then changed course.
What I read indicated that the vulnerable would be protected and whilst others went about their daily business they would naturally catch the virus and then become immune but restrictions became tighter therefore slowing things down. That is how I understood herd immunity to be. "According to dominic Cummings the vulnerable were not going to be protected at all. The theory goes that they were prepared to lose x amount of people but when they realised it was going to be xxx amount they panicked. Loads online about it. There is still some confusion about we have abandoned it completely. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity.
What we should of done is took a page on how Taiwan and South Korea dealt with it as I mention near the start of the thread. They cut it at the source and if a person had it the but them in quarantine and trace the family an everyone they came into contact with and tested them also and put them in quarantine as well if they had the virus. Most properly we be in a better situration if we did what they did."Do you know how Taiwan achieved this? do you think us Brits would have accepted the system the Taiwanese used ? | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
What is it with Liverpool people, always against everything this country does, its true what a friend said to me once, the Liverpool is the capital of ireland. Why put your own country down at every chance you get, no matter who leads us, we have to have a leader, thats a fact! In this we should all be 100 percent behind him. Let him see it through, just like people did with Churchill, and Churchill was hated by the working class, be they had enough common sense, to relise to get behind him, while we were in trouble. "You obviously can t remember the Thatcher years ? and what Thatcher and the Tories said about Liverpool ? how they wanted to run it into the ground ? suggest you do some reading on the Tories and Liverpool .. it might just change your mind .. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity.
You don’t know that they were made too late. You just think it. Stupidity is seeing groups of people out on a jolly and ignoring the rules. They make matters worse. "Of course they were taken too late. Same as in Italy, Spain or Germany | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
What is it with Liverpool people, always against everything this country does, its true what a friend said to me once, the Liverpool is the capital of ireland. Why put your own country down at every chance you get, no matter who leads us, we have to have a leader, thats a fact! In this we should all be 100 percent behind him. Let him see it through, just like people did with Churchill, and Churchill was hated by the working class, be they had enough common sense, to relise to get behind him, while we were in trouble. "I suggest you do some research. And this isnt 1940.Your churchill point is irrelevant. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
What is it with Liverpool people, always against everything this country does, its true what a friend said to me once, the Liverpool is the capital of ireland. Why put your own country down at every chance you get, no matter who leads us, we have to have a leader, thats a fact! In this we should all be 100 percent behind him. Let him see it through, just like people did with Churchill, and Churchill was hated by the working class, be they had enough common sense, to relise to get behind him, while we were in trouble. "Nothing is wrong with people in Liverpool. We love Liverpool and people from this city. YNWA | |||
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"What needed is a way out of this and seriously if BoJo actual used what he had at his disposal eg MI5, MI6 lead doctors and the WHO we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now. Seriously if you are leader of a country would you want to know whats going on with your allies and enemies everyday. Hindsight being 20/20 if I was in his position once news started to roll in ground all flights in and out of the country screen the people coming in and keep them in quarantine for 3 months and trace their family here and aboard if that was the purpose of travelling. Basically in effect what Taiwan did cut it at the source and we wouldn't be in lockdown as we are now." You really should be PM lol | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity. "We seem to be ahead of the virus on hospital beds and ventilators so far so yes a lot better than italy france and spain i would say. | |||
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"I would say we don't need him you know ..True we need a strong leader who is honest, dependable and most of all trustworthy . Boris is not that man is he lets be honest! .. he is a bungler and has a bit of a 'Del boy' way of doing thing and often reminds me of that 'nice but dim' character from a tv programme a few years ago .. not to mention the utter screw up of the 'B' ftword and the fact his govt almost sent 250k people to their deaths a few weeks ago before someone suggested he best not .. and the laughing at not giving nurses a payrise is really very ugly sycophantic politicians feathering their own nest .. I wont go on but I'm afraid the country could do a lot better than him in my opinion .. someone strong, honest and not in Trumps pocket would be a good start .When this all ends the world is going into a huge recession and it is going to need a very good politician to lead the uk through really rough seas if you think that we are alos going to need to manage to do that brexit event so many say they are looking forward to At the end of the day I hope B makes a good recovery and does not shuffle off the coil .. no one should wish ill on anyone! .. it might change his whole attitude to not trying to bankrupt/privatise the NHS when he finds out a little bit of what it feels like to have to use it .Which might change the way he and his government think about what to do after all this has ended . " He did a good job in London. Give him a chance. | |||
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"I would say we don't need him you know ..True we need a strong leader who is honest, dependable and most of all trustworthy . Boris is not that man is he lets be honest! .. he is a bungler and has a bit of a 'Del boy' way of doing thing and often reminds me of that 'nice but dim' character from a tv programme a few years ago .. not to mention the utter screw up of the 'B' ftword and the fact his govt almost sent 250k people to their deaths a few weeks ago before someone suggested he best not .. and the laughing at not giving nurses a payrise is really very ugly sycophantic politicians feathering their own nest .. I wont go on but I'm afraid the country could do a lot better than him in my opinion .. someone strong, honest and not in Trumps pocket would be a good start .When this all ends the world is going into a huge recession and it is going to need a very good politician to lead the uk through really rough seas if you think that we are alos going to need to manage to do that brexit event so many say they are looking forward to At the end of the day I hope B makes a good recovery and does not shuffle off the coil .. no one should wish ill on anyone! .. it might change his whole attitude to not trying to bankrupt/privatise the NHS when he finds out a little bit of what it feels like to have to use it .Which might change the way he and his government think about what to do after all this has ended . He did a good job in London. Give him a chance. " Didnt he say in london he cut knife crime by like 50% | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
What is it with Liverpool people, always against everything this country does, its true what a friend said to me once, the Liverpool is the capital of ireland. Why put your own country down at every chance you get, no matter who leads us, we have to have a leader, thats a fact! In this we should all be 100 percent behind him. Let him see it through, just like people did with Churchill, and Churchill was hated by the working class, be they had enough common sense, to relise to get behind him, while we were in trouble.
You obviously can t remember the Thatcher years ? and what Thatcher and the Tories said about Liverpool ? how they wanted to run it into the ground ? suggest you do some reading on the Tories and Liverpool .. it might just change your mind .. "Im a manc mate, i really do know all about Liverpool, its wasnt just you lot who get it was it. My dad was a miner. So please dont insult my intelligence, just because i know live in the south. Always the victims!!! | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity.
You don’t know that they were made too late. You just think it. Stupidity is seeing groups of people out on a jolly and ignoring the rules. They make matters worse.
Of course they were taken too late. Same as in Italy, Spain or Germany"Sorry to say but you’re no more an expert than I am and they followed the advice of the experts. France went into lockdown before us and their numbers are greater. Outside of China the UK has just managed to open the biggest hospital in the world. We have not run out of respirators yet. There are a lot of positives in this country that are not evident in others for whatever reason. Hence my comment about them doing a good job. We all have differing opinions and that’s mine | |||
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"Before you put me down, we need a strong leader, remember Churchill???, like i said, im no tory, but im not stupid. Must. Not. Bite.
Your a scouser, you lot moan about everything lol"How rude we don’t !!!!! | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
What is it with Liverpool people, always against everything this country does, its true what a friend said to me once, the Liverpool is the capital of ireland. Why put your own country down at every chance you get, no matter who leads us, we have to have a leader, thats a fact! In this we should all be 100 percent behind him. Let him see it through, just like people did with Churchill, and Churchill was hated by the working class, be they had enough common sense, to relise to get behind him, while we were in trouble.
You obviously can t remember the Thatcher years ? and what Thatcher and the Tories said about Liverpool ? how they wanted to run it into the ground ? suggest you do some reading on the Tories and Liverpool .. it might just change your mind ..
Im a manc mate, i really do know all about Liverpool, its wasnt just you lot who get it was it. My dad was a miner. So please dont insult my intelligence, just because i know live in the south. Always the victims!!! "Id get banned for what I'd say here. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
What is it with Liverpool people, always against everything this country does, its true what a friend said to me once, the Liverpool is the capital of ireland. Why put your own country down at every chance you get, no matter who leads us, we have to have a leader, thats a fact! In this we should all be 100 percent behind him. Let him see it through, just like people did with Churchill, and Churchill was hated by the working class, be they had enough common sense, to relise to get behind him, while we were in trouble.
You obviously can t remember the Thatcher years ? and what Thatcher and the Tories said about Liverpool ? how they wanted to run it into the ground ? suggest you do some reading on the Tories and Liverpool .. it might just change your mind ..
Im a manc mate, i really do know all about Liverpool, its wasnt just you lot who get it was it. My dad was a miner. So please dont insult my intelligence, just because i know live in the south. Always the victims!!!
Id get banned for what I'd say here."Haha see what i mean. Hope you get the Premier league wont mean much, but you will at least have a trophy lol x | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity.
You don’t know that they were made too late. You just think it. Stupidity is seeing groups of people out on a jolly and ignoring the rules. They make matters worse.
Of course they were taken too late. Same as in Italy, Spain or Germany
Sorry to say but you’re no more an expert than I am and they followed the advice of the experts.
France went into lockdown before us and their numbers are greater. Outside of China the UK has just managed to open the biggest hospital in the world. We have not run out of respirators yet.
There are a lot of positives in this country that are not evident in others for whatever reason. Hence my comment about them doing a good job. We all have differing opinions and that’s mine "I am sorry to say this but no one has to be an expert to be able to think logically and draw conclusions and not play stupid games about herd immunity and tell people to prepare for the death of their loved ones. The virus did not come from heaven. He passed through other countries until he reached the UK. There was a lot of time to make the right decisions. This is my opinion and of course I respect yours. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity.
You don’t know that they were made too late. You just think it. Stupidity is seeing groups of people out on a jolly and ignoring the rules. They make matters worse.
Of course they were taken too late. Same as in Italy, Spain or Germany
Sorry to say but you’re no more an expert than I am and they followed the advice of the experts.
France went into lockdown before us and their numbers are greater. Outside of China the UK has just managed to open the biggest hospital in the world. We have not run out of respirators yet.
There are a lot of positives in this country that are not evident in others for whatever reason. Hence my comment about them doing a good job. We all have differing opinions and that’s mine
I am sorry to say this but no one has to be an expert to be able to think logically and draw conclusions and not play stupid games about herd immunity and tell people to prepare for the death of their loved ones.
The virus did not come from heaven. He passed through other countries until he reached the UK. There was a lot of time to make the right decisions. This is my opinion and of course I respect yours. "errrr alot of time ???. About the time it takes for a Jumbo jet to get from Bejing to Milan and then for it's passengers to go skiing in the Italian alpsand give it to a load of skiers and other people. I don't think we had that much notice did we ??? | |||
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What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
What is it with Liverpool people, always against everything this country does, its true what a friend said to me once, the Liverpool is the capital of ireland. Why put your own country down at every chance you get, no matter who leads us, we have to have a leader, thats a fact! In this we should all be 100 percent behind him. Let him see it through, just like people did with Churchill, and Churchill was hated by the working class, be they had enough common sense, to relise to get behind him, while we were in trouble. "1. Because to most politicians the north to them is the watford gap 2. Maggie Thatcher do I need to say more. 3. Us northerners look after own look up when Liverpool tried to break away in the 80s. 4. We don't forget the tories covered up Hillsbourgh and Thacther should be rotting in a cell but the grim reaper got her first. Also what Bojo said about us. 5. Ripping up and destroying our industry which we still feeling the effects to this day. 6. Since the 70s the dont give a brass monkeys about us. I may be younger but I know how the tories effected my city left it to rot and now that we have risen it scares those in there ivory towers down south. Also while Churchill was what we need in WW2 you seem to forget when war was over he lose the next general election only got back in after switching parties in the 50s. We dont need Boris we don't need that other guy that become Labour leader as his name escapes me what is need is a collective of people with ideas on how to get this country back to normal as quick as they can. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity.
You don’t know that they were made too late. You just think it. Stupidity is seeing groups of people out on a jolly and ignoring the rules. They make matters worse.
Of course they were taken too late. Same as in Italy, Spain or Germany
Sorry to say but you’re no more an expert than I am and they followed the advice of the experts.
France went into lockdown before us and their numbers are greater. Outside of China the UK has just managed to open the biggest hospital in the world. We have not run out of respirators yet.
There are a lot of positives in this country that are not evident in others for whatever reason. Hence my comment about them doing a good job. We all have differing opinions and that’s mine
I am sorry to say this but no one has to be an expert to be able to think logically and draw conclusions and not play stupid games about herd immunity and tell people to prepare for the death of their loved ones.
The virus did not come from heaven. He passed through other countries until he reached the UK. There was a lot of time to make the right decisions. This is my opinion and of course I respect yours.
errrr alot of time ???. About the time it takes for a Jumbo jet to get from Bejing to Milan and then for it's passengers to go skiing in the Italian alpsand give it to a load of skiers and other people. I don't think we had that much notice did we ???"No we didnt have much time, anybody remember the first time british people got this? I seem to remember a ship was the answer, and what did our government do? They flew them home, and put the in isolation immediately, they wasnt slow then. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity.
You don’t know that they were made too late. You just think it. Stupidity is seeing groups of people out on a jolly and ignoring the rules. They make matters worse.
Of course they were taken too late. Same as in Italy, Spain or Germany
Sorry to say but you’re no more an expert than I am and they followed the advice of the experts.
France went into lockdown before us and their numbers are greater. Outside of China the UK has just managed to open the biggest hospital in the world. We have not run out of respirators yet.
There are a lot of positives in this country that are not evident in others for whatever reason. Hence my comment about them doing a good job. We all have differing opinions and that’s mine
I am sorry to say this but no one has to be an expert to be able to think logically and draw conclusions and not play stupid games about herd immunity and tell people to prepare for the death of their loved ones.
The virus did not come from heaven. He passed through other countries until he reached the UK. There was a lot of time to make the right decisions. This is my opinion and of course I respect yours.
errrr alot of time ???. About the time it takes for a Jumbo jet to get from Bejing to Milan and then for it's passengers to go skiing in the Italian alpsand give it to a load of skiers and other people. I don't think we had that much notice did we ???
No we didnt have much time, anybody remember the first time british people got this? I seem to remember a ship was the answer, and what did our government do? They flew them home, and put the in isolation immediately, they wasnt slow then. "You remember this entirely incorrectly. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity.
You don’t know that they were made too late. You just think it. Stupidity is seeing groups of people out on a jolly and ignoring the rules. They make matters worse.
Of course they were taken too late. Same as in Italy, Spain or Germany
Sorry to say but you’re no more an expert than I am and they followed the advice of the experts.
France went into lockdown before us and their numbers are greater. Outside of China the UK has just managed to open the biggest hospital in the world. We have not run out of respirators yet.
There are a lot of positives in this country that are not evident in others for whatever reason. Hence my comment about them doing a good job. We all have differing opinions and that’s mine
I am sorry to say this but no one has to be an expert to be able to think logically and draw conclusions and not play stupid games about herd immunity and tell people to prepare for the death of their loved ones.
The virus did not come from heaven. He passed through other countries until he reached the UK. There was a lot of time to make the right decisions. This is my opinion and of course I respect yours. "A lot of time???? | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity.
You don’t know that they were made too late. You just think it. Stupidity is seeing groups of people out on a jolly and ignoring the rules. They make matters worse.
Of course they were taken too late. Same as in Italy, Spain or Germany
Sorry to say but you’re no more an expert than I am and they followed the advice of the experts.
France went into lockdown before us and their numbers are greater. Outside of China the UK has just managed to open the biggest hospital in the world. We have not run out of respirators yet.
There are a lot of positives in this country that are not evident in others for whatever reason. Hence my comment about them doing a good job. We all have differing opinions and that’s mine
I am sorry to say this but no one has to be an expert to be able to think logically and draw conclusions and not play stupid games about herd immunity and tell people to prepare for the death of their loved ones.
The virus did not come from heaven. He passed through other countries until he reached the UK. There was a lot of time to make the right decisions. This is my opinion and of course I respect yours.
errrr alot of time ???. About the time it takes for a Jumbo jet to get from Bejing to Milan and then for it's passengers to go skiing in the Italian alpsand give it to a load of skiers and other people. I don't think we had that much notice did we ???
No we didnt have much time, anybody remember the first time british people got this? I seem to remember a ship was the answer, and what did our government do? They flew them home, and put the in isolation immediately, they wasnt slow then.
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
What is it with Liverpool people, always against everything this country does, its true what a friend said to me once, the Liverpool is the capital of ireland. Why put your own country down at every chance you get, no matter who leads us, we have to have a leader, thats a fact! In this we should all be 100 percent behind him. Let him see it through, just like people did with Churchill, and Churchill was hated by the working class, be they had enough common sense, to relise to get behind him, while we were in trouble.
1. Because to most politicians the north to them is the watford gap
2. Maggie Thatcher do I need to say more.
3. Us northerners look after own look up when Liverpool tried to break away in the 80s.
4. We don't forget the tories covered up Hillsbourgh and Thacther should be rotting in a cell but the grim reaper got her first. Also what Bojo said about us.
5. Ripping up and destroying our industry which we still feeling the effects to this day.
6. Since the 70s the dont give a brass monkeys about us.
I may be younger but I know how the tories effected my city left it to rot and now that we have risen it scares those in there ivory towers down south. Also while Churchill was what we need in WW2 you seem to forget when war was over he lose the next general election only got back in after switching parties in the 50s. We dont need Boris we don't need that other guy that become Labour leader as his name escapes me what is need is a collective of people with ideas on how to get this country back to normal as quick as they can."I would get banned if i answered this, but i will agree to disagree. X | |||
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Oh if something like spitting image was around the writers would be having a field day with the current situration."I believe they had made a new series or are making one? | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity.
You don’t know that they were made too late. You just think it. Stupidity is seeing groups of people out on a jolly and ignoring the rules. They make matters worse.
Of course they were taken too late. Same as in Italy, Spain or Germany
Sorry to say but you’re no more an expert than I am and they followed the advice of the experts.
France went into lockdown before us and their numbers are greater. Outside of China the UK has just managed to open the biggest hospital in the world. We have not run out of respirators yet.
There are a lot of positives in this country that are not evident in others for whatever reason. Hence my comment about them doing a good job. We all have differing opinions and that’s mine
I am sorry to say this but no one has to be an expert to be able to think logically and draw conclusions and not play stupid games about herd immunity and tell people to prepare for the death of their loved ones.
The virus did not come from heaven. He passed through other countries until he reached the UK. There was a lot of time to make the right decisions. This is my opinion and of course I respect yours.
errrr alot of time ???. About the time it takes for a Jumbo jet to get from Bejing to Milan and then for it's passengers to go skiing in the Italian alpsand give it to a load of skiers and other people. I don't think we had that much notice did we ???
No we didnt have much time, anybody remember the first time british people got this? I seem to remember a ship was the answer, and what did our government do? They flew them home, and put the in isolation immediately, they wasnt slow then.
You remember this entirely incorrectly."There was no infected ship with British on who were sent to arrow park hospital.?? | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity.
You don’t know that they were made too late. You just think it. Stupidity is seeing groups of people out on a jolly and ignoring the rules. They make matters worse.
Of course they were taken too late. Same as in Italy, Spain or Germany
Sorry to say but you’re no more an expert than I am and they followed the advice of the experts.
France went into lockdown before us and their numbers are greater. Outside of China the UK has just managed to open the biggest hospital in the world. We have not run out of respirators yet.
There are a lot of positives in this country that are not evident in others for whatever reason. Hence my comment about them doing a good job. We all have differing opinions and that’s mine
I am sorry to say this but no one has to be an expert to be able to think logically and draw conclusions and not play stupid games about herd immunity and tell people to prepare for the death of their loved ones.
The virus did not come from heaven. He passed through other countries until he reached the UK. There was a lot of time to make the right decisions. This is my opinion and of course I respect yours.
errrr alot of time ???. About the time it takes for a Jumbo jet to get from Bejing to Milan and then for it's passengers to go skiing in the Italian alpsand give it to a load of skiers and other people. I don't think we had that much notice did we ???
No we didnt have much time, anybody remember the first time british people got this? I seem to remember a ship was the answer, and what did our government do? They flew them home, and put the in isolation immediately, they wasnt slow then.
You remember this entirely incorrectly.
There was no infected ship with British on who were sent to arrow park hospital.?? "23rd feb that happened. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity.
You don’t know that they were made too late. You just think it. Stupidity is seeing groups of people out on a jolly and ignoring the rules. They make matters worse.
Of course they were taken too late. Same as in Italy, Spain or Germany
Sorry to say but you’re no more an expert than I am and they followed the advice of the experts.
France went into lockdown before us and their numbers are greater. Outside of China the UK has just managed to open the biggest hospital in the world. We have not run out of respirators yet.
There are a lot of positives in this country that are not evident in others for whatever reason. Hence my comment about them doing a good job. We all have differing opinions and that’s mine
I am sorry to say this but no one has to be an expert to be able to think logically and draw conclusions and not play stupid games about herd immunity and tell people to prepare for the death of their loved ones.
The virus did not come from heaven. He passed through other countries until he reached the UK. There was a lot of time to make the right decisions. This is my opinion and of course I respect yours.
errrr alot of time ???. About the time it takes for a Jumbo jet to get from Bejing to Milan and then for it's passengers to go skiing in the Italian alpsand give it to a load of skiers and other people. I don't think we had that much notice did we ???
No we didnt have much time, anybody remember the first time british people got this? I seem to remember a ship was the answer, and what did our government do? They flew them home, and put the in isolation immediately, they wasnt slow then.
You remember this entirely incorrectly.
There was no infected ship with British on who were sent to arrow park hospital.??
23rd feb that happened."Ty x | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity.
You don’t know that they were made too late. You just think it. Stupidity is seeing groups of people out on a jolly and ignoring the rules. They make matters worse.
Of course they were taken too late. Same as in Italy, Spain or Germany
Sorry to say but you’re no more an expert than I am and they followed the advice of the experts.
France went into lockdown before us and their numbers are greater. Outside of China the UK has just managed to open the biggest hospital in the world. We have not run out of respirators yet.
There are a lot of positives in this country that are not evident in others for whatever reason. Hence my comment about them doing a good job. We all have differing opinions and that’s mine
I am sorry to say this but no one has to be an expert to be able to think logically and draw conclusions and not play stupid games about herd immunity and tell people to prepare for the death of their loved ones.
The virus did not come from heaven. He passed through other countries until he reached the UK. There was a lot of time to make the right decisions. This is my opinion and of course I respect yours.
errrr alot of time ???. About the time it takes for a Jumbo jet to get from Bejing to Milan and then for it's passengers to go skiing in the Italian alpsand give it to a load of skiers and other people. I don't think we had that much notice did we ???
No we didnt have much time, anybody remember the first time british people got this? I seem to remember a ship was the answer, and what did our government do? They flew them home, and put the in isolation immediately, they wasnt slow then.
You remember this entirely incorrectly.
There was no infected ship with British on who were sent to arrow park hospital.?? "They where quarantined in arrow park and it was a few coach loads of people sent to different hospitals around the country not just arrow park | |||
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"I keep asking this question and no one gives me a satisfactory answer. At the time of those people getting sent home the information we had was that china had it under control. Infact the horse had long since got past the stable door and a few infected passengers on a liner was the least of the governments worries. So when the virus was out there and potentially 1,000,000 no less British passport holders are abroad how do you proposed to stop the virus getting in remembering full well that it was out int he general population using the air routes which always has been the weakest link in fighting infectious diseases ??? " I agree and await the answer lol x | |||
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Oh if something like spitting image was around the writers would be having a field day with the current situration.
I believe they had made a new series or are making one? "They are reviving it but I think it’s going to be on one of the streaming channels. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity.
You don’t know that they were made too late. You just think it. Stupidity is seeing groups of people out on a jolly and ignoring the rules. They make matters worse.
Of course they were taken too late. Same as in Italy, Spain or Germany
Sorry to say but you’re no more an expert than I am and they followed the advice of the experts.
France went into lockdown before us and their numbers are greater. Outside of China the UK has just managed to open the biggest hospital in the world. We have not run out of respirators yet.
There are a lot of positives in this country that are not evident in others for whatever reason. Hence my comment about them doing a good job. We all have differing opinions and that’s mine
I am sorry to say this but no one has to be an expert to be able to think logically and draw conclusions and not play stupid games about herd immunity and tell people to prepare for the death of their loved ones.
The virus did not come from heaven. He passed through other countries until he reached the UK. There was a lot of time to make the right decisions. This is my opinion and of course I respect yours.
errrr alot of time ???. About the time it takes for a Jumbo jet to get from Bejing to Milan and then for it's passengers to go skiing in the Italian alpsand give it to a load of skiers and other people. I don't think we had that much notice did we ???
No we didnt have much time, anybody remember the first time british people got this? I seem to remember a ship was the answer, and what did our government do? They flew them home, and put the in isolation immediately, they wasnt slow then.
You remember this entirely incorrectly.
There was no infected ship with British on who were sent to arrow park hospital.??
They where quarantined in arrow park and it was a few coach loads of people sent to different hospitals around the country not just arrow park"You are so well informed lol x | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity.
You don’t know that they were made too late. You just think it. Stupidity is seeing groups of people out on a jolly and ignoring the rules. They make matters worse.
Of course they were taken too late. Same as in Italy, Spain or Germany
Sorry to say but you’re no more an expert than I am and they followed the advice of the experts.
France went into lockdown before us and their numbers are greater. Outside of China the UK has just managed to open the biggest hospital in the world. We have not run out of respirators yet.
There are a lot of positives in this country that are not evident in others for whatever reason. Hence my comment about them doing a good job. We all have differing opinions and that’s mine
I am sorry to say this but no one has to be an expert to be able to think logically and draw conclusions and not play stupid games about herd immunity and tell people to prepare for the death of their loved ones.
The virus did not come from heaven. He passed through other countries until he reached the UK. There was a lot of time to make the right decisions. This is my opinion and of course I respect yours.
errrr alot of time ???. About the time it takes for a Jumbo jet to get from Bejing to Milan and then for it's passengers to go skiing in the Italian alpsand give it to a load of skiers and other people. I don't think we had that much notice did we ???
No we didnt have much time, anybody remember the first time british people got this? I seem to remember a ship was the answer, and what did our government do? They flew them home, and put the in isolation immediately, they wasnt slow then.
You remember this entirely incorrectly.
There was no infected ship with British on who were sent to arrow park hospital.?? "Yes - but the government did not repatriate them swiftly or decisively. They were criticised at the time by the passengers concerned for their slow action in doing so, and lack of communication - the passengers felt they were being left to die. Some of the passengers were in fact sent to Japan for treatment. | |||
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"I keep asking this question and no one gives me a satisfactory answer. At the time of those people getting sent home the information we had was that china had it under control. Infact the horse had long since got past the stable door and a few infected passengers on a liner was the least of the governments worries. So when the virus was out there and potentially 1,000,000 no less British passport holders are abroad how do you proposed to stop the virus getting in remembering full well that it was out int he general population using the air routes which always has been the weakest link in fighting infectious diseases ??? " Didnt they only tell people to come home when quarantined started. I think once they knew it was serious..step no 1 would have been to focus on the nhs..equipment etc.That should have been a priority months ago. Personally I would have restricted people coming in from infected areas. It wouldn't have stopped it but it wouldnt have done any harm. | |||
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"The 1st Briton to contact it was in November. Source for this information?" Daily mirror 5th March connor Miller.He was/is teacher in the wuhan province. | |||
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"The 1st Briton to contact it was in November. Source for this information? So one british man gets infected properly in china, in November, and we should have shut the country down there and then? " Yep cos that's what I said? You said you brought home the 1st patients off the ship. You were incorrect. | |||
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"I keep asking this question and no one gives me a satisfactory answer. At the time of those people getting sent home the information we had was that china had it under control. Infact the horse had long since got past the stable door and a few infected passengers on a liner was the least of the governments worries. So when the virus was out there and potentially 1,000,000 no less British passport holders are abroad how do you proposed to stop the virus getting in remembering full well that it was out int he general population using the air routes which always has been the weakest link in fighting infectious diseases ??? Didnt they only tell people to come home when quarantined started. I think once they knew it was serious..step no 1 would have been to focus on the nhs..equipment etc.That should have been a priority months ago. Personally I would have restricted people coming in from infected areas. It wouldn't have stopped it but it wouldnt have done any harm." I would vote for you as pm x | |||
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"I keep asking this question and no one gives me a satisfactory answer. At the time of those people getting sent home the information we had was that china had it under control. Infact the horse had long since got past the stable door and a few infected passengers on a liner was the least of the governments worries. So when the virus was out there and potentially 1,000,000 no less British passport holders are abroad how do you proposed to stop the virus getting in remembering full well that it was out int he general population using the air routes which always has been the weakest link in fighting infectious diseases ??? " No/one has proposed stopping it from getting in - that would be stupid. What was proposed, and the government roundly ignored, was monitoring all passengers coming into the country, tracing contacts, and locking down so they could do so. Our hopeless government was still allowing people to fly to Italy when the virus was spreading like wildfire. To be fair to them, they were helpfully advising people to ‘be careful’...no doubt Boris should get a medal for that or something.  | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity.
You don’t know that they were made too late. You just think it. Stupidity is seeing groups of people out on a jolly and ignoring the rules. They make matters worse.
Of course they were taken too late. Same as in Italy, Spain or Germany
Sorry to say but you’re no more an expert than I am and they followed the advice of the experts.
France went into lockdown before us and their numbers are greater. Outside of China the UK has just managed to open the biggest hospital in the world. We have not run out of respirators yet.
There are a lot of positives in this country that are not evident in others for whatever reason. Hence my comment about them doing a good job. We all have differing opinions and that’s mine
I am sorry to say this but no one has to be an expert to be able to think logically and draw conclusions and not play stupid games about herd immunity and tell people to prepare for the death of their loved ones.
The virus did not come from heaven. He passed through other countries until he reached the UK. There was a lot of time to make the right decisions. This is my opinion and of course I respect yours.
errrr alot of time ???. About the time it takes for a Jumbo jet to get from Bejing to Milan and then for it's passengers to go skiing in the Italian alpsand give it to a load of skiers and other people. I don't think we had that much notice did we ???
No we didnt have much time, anybody remember the first time british people got this? I seem to remember a ship was the answer, and what did our government do? They flew them home, and put the in isolation immediately, they wasnt slow then.
You remember this entirely incorrectly.
There was no infected ship with British on who were sent to arrow park hospital.??
Yes - but the government did not repatriate them swiftly or decisively. They were criticised at the time by the passengers concerned for their slow action in doing so, and lack of communication - the passengers felt they were being left to die. Some of the passengers were in fact sent to Japan for treatment."This is also true. On the bbc website. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
Was herd immunity Boris’s plan?
You’ve only got to look at how people are already bored at home and want to get out. If we had been shut down earlier people would break the rules in the same way, resulting in a rise a rise in numbers at the wrong time. That’s why they pay professionals to decide these things.
It was the initial plan which they adopted and quickly changed strategy.
Was it? I heard it mentioned by someone but I didn’t know it was their plan.
Yep that's what they went with initially.They would have been advised of course,but plenty were critical.
They then changed course.
What I read indicated that the vulnerable would be protected and whilst others went about their daily business they would naturally catch the virus and then become immune but restrictions became tighter therefore slowing things down. That is how I understood herd immunity to be.
According to dominic Cummings the vulnerable were not going to be protected at all.
The theory goes that they were prepared to lose x amount of people but when they realised it was going to be xxx amount they panicked.
Loads online about it.
There is still some confusion about we have abandoned it completely.
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"I keep asking this question and no one gives me a satisfactory answer. At the time of those people getting sent home the information we had was that china had it under control. Infact the horse had long since got past the stable door and a few infected passengers on a liner was the least of the governments worries. So when the virus was out there and potentially 1,000,000 no less British passport holders are abroad how do you proposed to stop the virus getting in remembering full well that it was out int he general population using the air routes which always has been the weakest link in fighting infectious diseases ??? Didnt they only tell people to come home when quarantined started. I think once they knew it was serious..step no 1 would have been to focus on the nhs..equipment etc.That should have been a priority months ago. Personally I would have restricted people coming in from infected areas. It wouldn't have stopped it but it wouldnt have done any harm." Yeah but the virus was in the general population by then anyway. How would you know a country is infected. They might be telling lies about their numbers. So you expect a country where say 50,000 skiers are in resort to remain there. I was in Bulgaria just before the 8th March and suddenly the mood changed and the Bulgarians became very hostile and wanted us out as soon as they could possibly rid. The reason being they had very few ventilators and could not cope with a load of extra foreigners in their country. It became a free for all to get out. | |||
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"I keep asking this question and no one gives me a satisfactory answer. At the time of those people getting sent home the information we had was that china had it under control. Infact the horse had long since got past the stable door and a few infected passengers on a liner was the least of the governments worries. So when the virus was out there and potentially 1,000,000 no less British passport holders are abroad how do you proposed to stop the virus getting in remembering full well that it was out int he general population using the air routes which always has been the weakest link in fighting infectious diseases ??? No/one has proposed stopping it from getting in - that would be stupid. What was proposed, and the government roundly ignored, was monitoring all passengers coming into the country, tracing contacts, and locking down so they could do so. Our hopeless government was still allowing people to fly to Italy when the virus was spreading like wildfire. To be fair to them, they were helpfully advising people to ‘be careful’...no doubt Boris should get a medal for that or something. "I had an Italian student here, she wanted to go home and so did many others, tell me, how do you stop that. | |||
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"I keep asking this question and no one gives me a satisfactory answer. At the time of those people getting sent home the information we had was that china had it under control. Infact the horse had long since got past the stable door and a few infected passengers on a liner was the least of the governments worries. So when the virus was out there and potentially 1,000,000 no less British passport holders are abroad how do you proposed to stop the virus getting in remembering full well that it was out int he general population using the air routes which always has been the weakest link in fighting infectious diseases ??? Didnt they only tell people to come home when quarantined started. I think once they knew it was serious..step no 1 would have been to focus on the nhs..equipment etc.That should have been a priority months ago. Personally I would have restricted people coming in from infected areas. It wouldn't have stopped it but it wouldnt have done any harm. Yeah but the virus was in the general population by then anyway. How would you know a country is infected. They might be telling lies about their numbers. So you expect a country where say 50,000 skiers are in resort to remain there. I was in Bulgaria just before the 8th March and suddenly the mood changed and the Bulgarians became very hostile and wanted us out as soon as they could possibly rid. The reason being they had very few ventilators and could not cope with a load of extra foreigners in their country. It became a free for all to get out." I'm not saying it was a magic cure.You posed a what would you do question.We knew china had it 1st..then Italy and spain.I cant honestly see what harm it would have done to restrict access.Russia have done that and have had a comparatively low rate. The NHS stuff would have been an absolute priority however. | |||
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"Look our Govt both in UK and up here in Scotland have made some mistakes and it is right that they are pressed on these to try and ensure doesn't happen again. However they are under immense pressure and they have dealt with it a lot better than some other Countries, although i do think they have been bit slow to react at times. I wouldnt want either the PM's or FM's jobs right now, especially with our rabid national tabloid press just waiting for them to slip up. Our rabid national press are on The whole right wing." Yes in the most part they are, i do think Liverpool had right idea in banning the Sun, wish we would do it up here although there are worse. The Daily Mirror is main left tabloid newspaper. What always amazes me is the number of people to the far right and far left of politics who think that the BBC is against them i.e far right think it is a left wing propaganda unit and the far left think it is Nazi leaning right wing machine, lol. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
Was herd immunity Boris’s plan?
You’ve only got to look at how people are already bored at home and want to get out. If we had been shut down earlier people would break the rules in the same way, resulting in a rise a rise in numbers at the wrong time. That’s why they pay professionals to decide these things.
It was the initial plan which they adopted and quickly changed strategy.
Was it? I heard it mentioned by someone but I didn’t know it was their plan.
Yep that's what they went with initially.They would have been advised of course,but plenty were critical.
They then changed course.
What I read indicated that the vulnerable would be protected and whilst others went about their daily business they would naturally catch the virus and then become immune but restrictions became tighter therefore slowing things down. That is how I understood herd immunity to be.
According to dominic Cummings the vulnerable were not going to be protected at all.
The theory goes that they were prepared to lose x amount of people but when they realised it was going to be xxx amount they panicked.
Loads online about it.
There is still some confusion about we have abandoned it completely.
Why would they abandon population immunity as the final goal? Population immunity is the only way out of this crisis. All the different strategies being tried around the world are all aimed at getting to population immunity with the minimum number of deaths and least amount of adverse effects to the economy as possible.
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"Look our Govt both in UK and up here in Scotland have made some mistakes and it is right that they are pressed on these to try and ensure doesn't happen again. However they are under immense pressure and they have dealt with it a lot better than some other Countries, although i do think they have been bit slow to react at times. I wouldnt want either the PM's or FM's jobs right now, especially with our rabid national tabloid press just waiting for them to slip up. Our rabid national press are on The whole right wing. Yes in the most part they are, i do think Liverpool had right idea in banning the Sun, wish we would do it up here although there are worse. The Daily Mirror is main left tabloid newspaper. What always amazes me is the number of people to the far right and far left of politics who think that the BBC is against them i.e far right think it is a left wing propaganda unit and the far left think it is Nazi leaning right wing machine, lol. " The bbc left itself wide open during the election seemingly favouring boris but amazingly the tories are still going after it. I think they try to be impartial but that new qt audience thing is unreal. | |||
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"I keep asking this question and no one gives me a satisfactory answer. At the time of those people getting sent home the information we had was that china had it under control. Infact the horse had long since got past the stable door and a few infected passengers on a liner was the least of the governments worries. So when the virus was out there and potentially 1,000,000 no less British passport holders are abroad how do you proposed to stop the virus getting in remembering full well that it was out int he general population using the air routes which always has been the weakest link in fighting infectious diseases ??? Didnt they only tell people to come home when quarantined started. I think once they knew it was serious..step no 1 would have been to focus on the nhs..equipment etc.That should have been a priority months ago. Personally I would have restricted people coming in from infected areas. It wouldn't have stopped it but it wouldnt have done any harm. Yeah but the virus was in the general population by then anyway. How would you know a country is infected. They might be telling lies about their numbers. So you expect a country where say 50,000 skiers are in resort to remain there. I was in Bulgaria just before the 8th March and suddenly the mood changed and the Bulgarians became very hostile and wanted us out as soon as they could possibly rid. The reason being they had very few ventilators and could not cope with a load of extra foreigners in their country. It became a free for all to get out. I'm not saying it was a magic cure.You posed a what would you do question.We knew china had it 1st..then Italy and spain.I cant honestly see what harm it would have done to restrict access.Russia have done that and have had a comparatively low rate. The NHS stuff would have been an absolute priority however. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Trouble is there is no map for this and with it being a virus it's a bit like the little boy putting his finger in the Dyke. When he does the water pops out somewhere else and there is absolutely no black or white answer. Each country does it as best they can and then after pats themselves on the back and say they did it right. Gord knows what the chinese must be thinking now. They must feel so ruddy smug right now. " .We knew this was serious in jan and we have only acted really in the last few weeks. That's why we are behind other countries in terms of ordering equipment etc. And that EU ventilators thing was unbelievable. When this is over they need an independent review to see what we did right and what we did wrong. With no spin. | |||
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"Before you put me down, we need a strong leader, remember Churchill???, like i said, im no tory, but im not stupid. Or perhaps a coalition..? One thing Churchill knew was that to carry all in one goal there had to be cross party involvement.. Totally agree . The timing of the PM letter to the other party leaders was welcomed by all, especially the new leader of the opposition. Several shadow ministers have also voiced their support for how open the government departments have been to keep them up to speed with developments and strategy "I would have liked to seen something similar after the election in relation to brexit, who knows.. | |||
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I had an Italian student here, she wanted to go home and so did many others, tell me, how do you stop that. "Why would you be stopping them? They would be flying home and not coming back. We are taking about the leisure and business travellers who would want to then return to the UK. Is that not obvious? | |||
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"I would say we don't need him you know ..True we need a strong leader who is honest, dependable and most of all trustworthy . Boris is not that man is he lets be honest! .. he is a bungler and has a bit of a 'Del boy' way of doing thing and often reminds me of that 'nice but dim' character from a tv programme a few years ago .. not to mention the utter screw up of the 'B' word and the fact his govt almost sent 250k people to their deaths a few weeks ago before someone suggested he best not .. and the laughing at not giving nurses a payrise is really very ugly sycophantic politicians feathering their own nest .. I wont go on but I'm afraid the country could do a lot better than him in my opinion .. someone strong, honest and not in Trumps pocket would be a good start .When this all ends the world is going into a huge recession and it is going to need a very good politician to lead the uk through really rough seas if you think that we are alos going to need to manage to do that brexit event so many say they are looking forward to At the end of the day I hope B makes a good recovery and does not shuffle off the coil .. no one should wish ill on anyone! .. it might change his whole attitude to not trying to bankrupt/privatise the NHS when he finds out a little bit of what it feels like to have to use it .Which might change the way he and his government think about what to do after all this has ended . " | |||
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"I keep asking this question and no one gives me a satisfactory answer. At the time of those people getting sent home the information we had was that china had it under control. Infact the horse had long since got past the stable door and a few infected passengers on a liner was the least of the governments worries. So when the virus was out there and potentially 1,000,000 no less British passport holders are abroad how do you proposed to stop the virus getting in remembering full well that it was out int he general population using the air routes which always has been the weakest link in fighting infectious diseases ??? No/one has proposed stopping it from getting in - that would be stupid. What was proposed, and the government roundly ignored, was monitoring all passengers coming into the country, tracing contacts, and locking down so they could do so. Our hopeless government was still allowing people to fly to Italy when the virus was spreading like wildfire. To be fair to them, they were helpfully advising people to ‘be careful’...no doubt Boris should get a medal for that or something.
I had an Italian student here, she wanted to go home and so did many others, tell me, how do you stop that.
Why would you be stopping them? They would be flying home and not coming back.
We are taking about the leisure and business travellers who would want to then return to the UK. Is that not obvious?"No..I thought you meant all travellers from China. | |||
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"I didn't know it was serious back in January. How did you know it was ???" I'm a regular frequenter of the US CDC website (yeah, I know, I'm a nerd) and it was on their radar late last year. Their warnings started getting heavy about it back in early January, ie the that it was NOT "just flu" and that it could spread outside China. They covered MERS back in the day too, and I noticed that their approach to coronavirus seemed far more concerned. | |||
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"I didn't know it was serious back in January. How did you know it was ??? The WHO says on their website "The outbreak was declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern on 30 January 2020."" But not yet a pandemic. That wasn't until February when lots of Chinese people were moving around for their new year, meeting Westerners. One of my thoughts was the AUS open tennis was taking place in January and I bet a lot of infections started then. The horse was well past the stable door then. | |||
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"I didn't know it was serious back in January. How did you know it was ??? The WHO says on their website "The outbreak was declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern on 30 January 2020."" So on 30th January we should have locked down then ? I'm asking because could we have prevented this if we had. It's a serious question ? What could we have done differently ? I'd like to know and then try to work out the outcome of that approach. Lets say on DEC 31st when the first bloke in china apparently got sick and died of it and was reported as such. Surely that would be even easier to sort ? | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
Was herd immunity Boris’s plan?
You’ve only got to look at how people are already bored at home and want to get out. If we had been shut down earlier people would break the rules in the same way, resulting in a rise a rise in numbers at the wrong time. That’s why they pay professionals to decide these things.
Whose plan was it, if not the boris plan? He makes the final decisions as prime minister.
Yes. You're right, people are bored at home. I understand this is excellent but I believe that restrictions should be introduced two or three weeks earlier than they were.
The rest of the responsibility lies with people. Either comply with restrictions or not.
It is difficult to assess what the number of infected and dead would be, but they would probably be smaller. The countries you mentioned made the same mistakes as boris and his team.
"Hindsight is a wonderful thing. However, he was using the best scientific evidence and advice and whereas it's pretty well accepted that the vast majority will get it to some degree, the lock down is to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed and peak too early for the system. There are no real experts as it's a new virus and nothing like the world has ever seen or experienced before yet suddenly so many are now experts saying what should have been done. Isn't that like saying I'd have won the lottery if I'd picked those numbers. | |||
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What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity. We seem to be ahead of the virus on hospital beds and ventilators so far so yes a lot better than italy france and spain i would say."I hope and believe you maybe right but let's not count our chickens just yet. | |||
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What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
What is it with Liverpool people, always against everything this country does, its true what a friend said to me once, the Liverpool is the capital of ireland. Why put your own country down at every chance you get, no matter who leads us, we have to have a leader, thats a fact! In this we should all be 100 percent behind him. Let him see it through, just like people did with Churchill, and Churchill was hated by the working class, be they had enough common sense, to relise to get behind him, while we were in trouble.
You obviously can t remember the Thatcher years ? and what Thatcher and the Tories said about Liverpool ? how they wanted to run it into the ground ? suggest you do some reading on the Tories and Liverpool .. it might just change your mind ..
Im a manc mate, i really do know all about Liverpool, its wasnt just you lot who get it was it. My dad was a miner. So please dont insult my intelligence, just because i know live in the south. Always the victims!!!
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What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
What is it with Liverpool people, always against everything this country does, its true what a friend said to me once, the Liverpool is the capital of ireland. Why put your own country down at every chance you get, no matter who leads us, we have to have a leader, thats a fact! In this we should all be 100 percent behind him. Let him see it through, just like people did with Churchill, and Churchill was hated by the working class, be they had enough common sense, to relise to get behind him, while we were in trouble.
You obviously can t remember the Thatcher years ? and what Thatcher and the Tories said about Liverpool ? how they wanted to run it into the ground ? suggest you do some reading on the Tories and Liverpool .. it might just change your mind ..
Im a manc mate, i really do know all about Liverpool, its wasnt just you lot who get it was it. My dad was a miner. So please dont insult my intelligence, just because i know live in the south. Always the victims!!!
Id get banned for what I'd say here.
Haha see what i mean. Hope you get the Premier league wont mean much, but you will at least have a trophy lol x
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"I keep asking this question and no one gives me a satisfactory answer. At the time of those people getting sent home the information we had was that china had it under control. Infact the horse had long since got past the stable door and a few infected passengers on a liner was the least of the governments worries. So when the virus was out there and potentially 1,000,000 no less British passport holders are abroad how do you proposed to stop the virus getting in remembering full well that it was out int he general population using the air routes which always has been the weakest link in fighting infectious diseases ??? Didnt they only tell people to come home when quarantined started. I think once they knew it was serious..step no 1 would have been to focus on the nhs..equipment etc.That should have been a priority months ago. Personally I would have restricted people coming in from infected areas. It wouldn't have stopped it but it wouldnt have done any harm. Yeah but the virus was in the general population by then anyway. How would you know a country is infected. They might be telling lies about their numbers. So you expect a country where say 50,000 skiers are in resort to remain there. I was in Bulgaria just before the 8th March and suddenly the mood changed and the Bulgarians became very hostile and wanted us out as soon as they could possibly rid. The reason being they had very few ventilators and could not cope with a load of extra foreigners in their country. It became a free for all to get out. I'm not saying it was a magic cure.You posed a what would you do question.We knew china had it 1st..then Italy and spain.I cant honestly see what harm it would have done to restrict access.Russia have done that and have had a comparatively low rate. The NHS stuff would have been an absolute priority however." Do you actually believe the russian figures.????? | |||
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"I keep asking this question and no one gives me a satisfactory answer. At the time of those people getting sent home the information we had was that china had it under control. Infact the horse had long since got past the stable door and a few infected passengers on a liner was the least of the governments worries. So when the virus was out there and potentially 1,000,000 no less British passport holders are abroad how do you proposed to stop the virus getting in remembering full well that it was out int he general population using the air routes which always has been the weakest link in fighting infectious diseases ??? Didnt they only tell people to come home when quarantined started. I think once they knew it was serious..step no 1 would have been to focus on the nhs..equipment etc.That should have been a priority months ago. Personally I would have restricted people coming in from infected areas. It wouldn't have stopped it but it wouldnt have done any harm. Yeah but the virus was in the general population by then anyway. How would you know a country is infected. They might be telling lies about their numbers. So you expect a country where say 50,000 skiers are in resort to remain there. I was in Bulgaria just before the 8th March and suddenly the mood changed and the Bulgarians became very hostile and wanted us out as soon as they could possibly rid. The reason being they had very few ventilators and could not cope with a load of extra foreigners in their country. It became a free for all to get out. I'm not saying it was a magic cure.You posed a what would you do question.We knew china had it 1st..then Italy and spain.I cant honestly see what harm it would have done to restrict access.Russia have done that and have had a comparatively low rate. The NHS stuff would have been an absolute priority however.Do you actually believe the russian figures.?????" You believe our figures? Or is just the Russians and chinese who tell porkies. | |||
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"I keep asking this question and no one gives me a satisfactory answer. At the time of those people getting sent home the information we had was that china had it under control. Infact the horse had long since got past the stable door and a few infected passengers on a liner was the least of the governments worries. So when the virus was out there and potentially 1,000,000 no less British passport holders are abroad how do you proposed to stop the virus getting in remembering full well that it was out int he general population using the air routes which always has been the weakest link in fighting infectious diseases ??? Didnt they only tell people to come home when quarantined started. I think once they knew it was serious..step no 1 would have been to focus on the nhs..equipment etc.That should have been a priority months ago. Personally I would have restricted people coming in from infected areas. It wouldn't have stopped it but it wouldnt have done any harm. Yeah but the virus was in the general population by then anyway. How would you know a country is infected. They might be telling lies about their numbers. So you expect a country where say 50,000 skiers are in resort to remain there. I was in Bulgaria just before the 8th March and suddenly the mood changed and the Bulgarians became very hostile and wanted us out as soon as they could possibly rid. The reason being they had very few ventilators and could not cope with a load of extra foreigners in their country. It became a free for all to get out. I'm not saying it was a magic cure.You posed a what would you do question.We knew china had it 1st..then Italy and spain.I cant honestly see what harm it would have done to restrict access.Russia have done that and have had a comparatively low rate. The NHS stuff would have been an absolute priority however.Do you actually believe the russian figures.?????" Who wants to go to Russia ? | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity. We seem to be ahead of the virus on hospital beds and ventilators so far so yes a lot better than italy france and spain i would say."I believe and I would like it to be so, but the UK is only before the peak of infections, maybe about two weeks or month. No one can be sure of this. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
Was herd immunity Boris’s plan?
You’ve only got to look at how people are already bored at home and want to get out. If we had been shut down earlier people would break the rules in the same way, resulting in a rise a rise in numbers at the wrong time. That’s why they pay professionals to decide these things.
It was the initial plan which they adopted and quickly changed strategy.
Was it? I heard it mentioned by someone but I didn’t know it was their plan.
Yep that's what they went with initially.They would have been advised of course,but plenty were critical.
They then changed course.
What I read indicated that the vulnerable would be protected and whilst others went about their daily business they would naturally catch the virus and then become immune but restrictions became tighter therefore slowing things down. That is how I understood herd immunity to be.
According to dominic Cummings the vulnerable were not going to be protected at all.
The theory goes that they were prepared to lose x amount of people but when they realised it was going to be xxx amount they panicked.
Loads online about it.
There is still some confusion about we have abandoned it completely.
Why would they abandon population immunity as the final goal? Population immunity is the only way out of this crisis. All the different strategies being tried around the world are all aimed at getting to population immunity with the minimum number of deaths and least amount of adverse effects to the economy as possible.
I dont think they have abandoned it?there seems to be a huge amount of confusion around it.
Have a look at Matt Hancocks interview with piers morgan.Its on you tube."I don't think they could have abandoned population immunity as a policy because it never was the policy. It is and always was the end result of any strategy to deal with this. We either achieve population immunity or face this reoccurring indefinitely. How we achieve population immunity is the strategy. Our strategy here in the UK is slow the spread of the infection so as not to overwhelm the health service which would result in a higher death rate. However at some point the damage being done to the social and economic fabric of the nation could be too high. It's not a simple choice of lives verses the economy. A wrecked economy will also have a price to paid in lives. We have to stop talking like population immunity is a dirty word; it's not. In fact population immunity is ultimately the only solution. | |||
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I had an Italian student here, she wanted to go home and so did many others, tell me, how do you stop that.
Why would you be stopping them? They would be flying home and not coming back.
We are taking about the leisure and business travellers who would want to then return to the UK. Is that not obvious?"Are you seriously suggesting that we should have stopped British citizen and residents from coming home and just left them to fend for themselves. | |||
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" I don't think they could have abandoned population immunity as a policy because it never was the policy. It is and always was the end result of any strategy to deal with this. We either achieve population immunity or face this reoccurring indefinitely. How we achieve population immunity is the strategy. Our strategy here in the UK is slow the spread of the infection so as not to overwhelm the health service which would result in a higher death rate. However at some point the damage being done to the social and economic fabric of the nation could be too high. It's not a simple choice of lives verses the economy. A wrecked economy will also have a price to paid in lives. We have to stop talking like population immunity is a dirty word; it's not. In fact population immunity is ultimately the only solution. " This right here hits the nail firmly on the head. THERE IS NO VACCINE. So the only way to defeat it is by population immunity. And for that to happen we must contract the virus. With regards to lockdown, that has been done the way it has to slow the growth (not stop it). This protects the NHS and economy as best as can do. With regards to shortages etc etc. These are worldwide issues, absolutely nothing that just the UK are suffering with. | |||
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"I keep asking this question and no one gives me a satisfactory answer. At the time of those people getting sent home the information we had was that china had it under control. Infact the horse had long since got past the stable door and a few infected passengers on a liner was the least of the governments worries. So when the virus was out there and potentially 1,000,000 no less British passport holders are abroad how do you proposed to stop the virus getting in remembering full well that it was out int he general population using the air routes which always has been the weakest link in fighting infectious diseases ??? No/one has proposed stopping it from getting in - that would be stupid. What was proposed, and the government roundly ignored, was monitoring all passengers coming into the country, tracing contacts, and locking down so they could do so. Our hopeless government was still allowing people to fly to Italy when the virus was spreading like wildfire. To be fair to them, they were helpfully advising people to ‘be careful’...no doubt Boris should get a medal for that or something.
I had an Italian student here, she wanted to go home and so did many others, tell me, how do you stop that.
Why would you be stopping them? They would be flying home and not coming back.
We are taking about the leisure and business travellers who would want to then return to the UK. Is that not obvious?
Are you seriously suggesting that we should have stopped British citizen and residents from coming home and just left them to fend for themselves.
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What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
Was herd immunity Boris’s plan?
You’ve only got to look at how people are already bored at home and want to get out. If we had been shut down earlier people would break the rules in the same way, resulting in a rise a rise in numbers at the wrong time. That’s why they pay professionals to decide these things.
It was the initial plan which they adopted and quickly changed strategy.
Was it? I heard it mentioned by someone but I didn’t know it was their plan.
Yep that's what they went with initially.They would have been advised of course,but plenty were critical.
They then changed course.
What I read indicated that the vulnerable would be protected and whilst others went about their daily business they would naturally catch the virus and then become immune but restrictions became tighter therefore slowing things down. That is how I understood herd immunity to be.
According to dominic Cummings the vulnerable were not going to be protected at all.
The theory goes that they were prepared to lose x amount of people but when they realised it was going to be xxx amount they panicked.
Loads online about it.
There is still some confusion about we have abandoned it completely.
Why would they abandon population immunity as the final goal? Population immunity is the only way out of this crisis. All the different strategies being tried around the world are all aimed at getting to population immunity with the minimum number of deaths and least amount of adverse effects to the economy as possible.
I dont think they have abandoned it?there seems to be a huge amount of confusion around it.
Have a look at Matt Hancocks interview with piers morgan.Its on you tube.
I don't think they could have abandoned population immunity as a policy because it never was the policy. It is and always was the end result of any strategy to deal with this. We either achieve population immunity or face this reoccurring indefinitely. How we achieve population immunity is the strategy. Our strategy here in the UK is slow the spread of the infection so as not to overwhelm the health service which would result in a higher death rate. However at some point the damage being done to the social and economic fabric of the nation could be too high. It's not a simple choice of lives verses the economy. A wrecked economy will also have a price to paid in lives. We have to stop talking like population immunity is a dirty word; it's not. In fact population immunity is ultimately the only solution.
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
That was the first plan until cases started to rise at rapid pace then came self isolation and social distancing then lockdown which was suppose to be a three week period then review it after the period. Now it most properly be extended and more restrictions in place which will impede on our civil liberty which I can see not end well oh just heard the kaiser chiefs they predict a riot lol.
All these decisions were made two or three weeks too late. The next restrictions are unfortunately a consequence of previous stupidity such as herd immunity. "We still need population immunity. | |||
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" That being said I really don't see anything immediately obvious that the government has done wrong. " We're way behind other countries on testing. We have fewer intensive care beds. Health workers don't have adequate PPE. They had their 'herd immunity' idea and then shifted away, wasting valuable time. We stopped community testing on 12th March, which has meant there's been no surveillance or contact tracking. (for those who don't think they did have this herd immunity plan, look up what the chief scientific advisor Patrick Vallance said) | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
Was herd immunity Boris’s plan?
You’ve only got to look at how people are already bored at home and want to get out. If we had been shut down earlier people would break the rules in the same way, resulting in a rise a rise in numbers at the wrong time. That’s why they pay professionals to decide these things.
It was the initial plan which they adopted and quickly changed strategy.
Was it? I heard it mentioned by someone but I didn’t know it was their plan.
Yep that's what they went with initially.They would have been advised of course,but plenty were critical.
They then changed course.
What I read indicated that the vulnerable would be protected and whilst others went about their daily business they would naturally catch the virus and then become immune but restrictions became tighter therefore slowing things down. That is how I understood herd immunity to be.
According to dominic Cummings the vulnerable were not going to be protected at all.
The theory goes that they were prepared to lose x amount of people but when they realised it was going to be xxx amount they panicked.
Loads online about it.
There is still some confusion about we have abandoned it completely.
Why would they abandon population immunity as the final goal? Population immunity is the only way out of this crisis. All the different strategies being tried around the world are all aimed at getting to population immunity with the minimum number of deaths and least amount of adverse effects to the economy as possible.
I dont think they have abandoned it?there seems to be a huge amount of confusion around it.
Have a look at Matt Hancocks interview with piers morgan.Its on you tube.
I don't think they could have abandoned population immunity as a policy because it never was the policy. It is and always was the end result of any strategy to deal with this. We either achieve population immunity or face this reoccurring indefinitely. How we achieve population immunity is the strategy. Our strategy here in the UK is slow the spread of the infection so as not to overwhelm the health service which would result in a higher death rate. However at some point the damage being done to the social and economic fabric of the nation could be too high. It's not a simple choice of lives verses the economy. A wrecked economy will also have a price to paid in lives. We have to stop talking like population immunity is a dirty word; it's not. In fact population immunity is ultimately the only solution.
"Population or herd immunity as they quanitley called it only works with a known and studied virus. Covid19 is still an unknown in terms of mutations and long term health damage. Even as and end strategy too dangerous and costly it's taking people of good health too. There is plenty of infrastructure available to bring the economy back to life. Lockdown at and earlier stage would have been the better option. | |||
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"I think Boris and his team are doing a good job. Better than some other countries. He doesn’t work alone though - remember the team
What good job doing Boris and his team? Better than what countries?
He has kept the majority of us informed and safe. Look at Sweden they are about to be hit. Look at America. Spain, Italy, France. I don’t see them doing better.
Do you mean herd immunity?
Was herd immunity Boris’s plan?
You’ve only got to look at how people are already bored at home and want to get out. If we had been shut down earlier people would break the rules in the same way, resulting in a rise a rise in numbers at the wrong time. That’s why they pay professionals to decide these things.
It was the initial plan which they adopted and quickly changed strategy.
Was it? I heard it mentioned by someone but I didn’t know it was their plan.
Yep that's what they went with initially.They would have been advised of course,but plenty were critical.
They then changed course.
What I read indicated that the vulnerable would be protected and whilst others went about their daily business they would naturally catch the virus and then become immune but restrictions became tighter therefore slowing things down. That is how I understood herd immunity to be.
According to dominic Cummings the vulnerable were not going to be protected at all.
The theory goes that they were prepared to lose x amount of people but when they realised it was going to be xxx amount they panicked.
Loads online about it.
There is still some confusion about we have abandoned it completely.
Why would they abandon population immunity as the final goal? Population immunity is the only way out of this crisis. All the different strategies being tried around the world are all aimed at getting to population immunity with the minimum number of deaths and least amount of adverse effects to the economy as possible.
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