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"Think about it. It’s convenient for them to use that as an excuse. " "Them"....  | |||
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"Think about it. It’s convenient for them to use that as an excuse. " An excuse for what exactly? | |||
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"If people continue to flout the law. Is this London fucking it up for the rest of as usual?" You mean people like the current CMO for Scotland? | |||
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"If people continue to flout the law. Is this London fucking it up for the rest of as usual? You mean people like the current CMO for Scotland?" Burn her  | |||
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"If people continue to flout the law. Is this London fucking it up for the rest of as usual? You mean people like the current CMO for Scotland?" A prime case of "Do as I say not as I do" | |||
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"I can tell you that the flouting I'm seeing isn't in London. No, cos they all want to get away. I have great empathy for those in flats/bedsits/apartments, anywhere without gardens. " I don't have a garden. I've had one Boris walk, which I curtailed because the place was packed. | |||
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"Think about it. It’s convenient for them to use that as an excuse. An excuse for what exactly?" The government will bring these restrictions in if they want, regardless. It's just convenient to say 'we're doing it because you won't follow the rules'. | |||
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"Not just London. It's mad in the Peak District again. Some people just don't get it, including the Chief Medical Officer in Scotland! A total lockdown may be the only way. Alternatively, begin arresting and locking the rulebreakers in enforced isolation. Just a thought ... " or we go to a less restricted time. Look at Sweden | |||
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now " Yes, because the government should have known a pandemic was coming?? Why don't we blame all the people who have given themselves medical conditions, through their unhealthy life choices, that mean they require ventilators rather than a hot toddy and a week in bed. | |||
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now Yes, because the government should have known a pandemic was coming?? Why don't we blame all the people who have given themselves medical conditions, through their unhealthy life choices, that mean they require ventilators rather than a hot toddy and a week in bed." Oh dear | |||
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now Yes, because the government should have known a pandemic was coming?? Why don't we blame all the people who have given themselves medical conditions, through their unhealthy life choices, that mean they require ventilators rather than a hot toddy and a week in bed." Or the millions we spent on putting people in care homes pumping them full of drugs to keep them alive,when most don't know what day it is just existing. | |||
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now Yes, because the government should have known a pandemic was coming?? Why don't we blame all the people who have given themselves medical conditions, through their unhealthy life choices, that mean they require ventilators rather than a hot toddy and a week in bed." Didnt a 5 year old and a 13 year old die? | |||
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now Yes, because the government should have known a pandemic was coming?? Why don't we blame all the people who have given themselves medical conditions, through their unhealthy life choices, that mean they require ventilators rather than a hot toddy and a week in bed.Or the millions we spent on putting people in care homes pumping them full of drugs to keep them alive,when most don't know what day it is just existing. " You are suggesting? | |||
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now Yes, because the government should have known a pandemic was coming?? Why don't we blame all the people who have given themselves medical conditions, through their unhealthy life choices, that mean they require ventilators rather than a hot toddy and a week in bed. Didnt a 5 year old and a 13 year old die?" and your point is? | |||
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now Yes, because the government should have known a pandemic was coming?? Why don't we blame all the people who have given themselves medical conditions, through their unhealthy life choices, that mean they require ventilators rather than a hot toddy and a week in bed. Didnt a 5 year old and a 13 year old die? and your point is?" They were too blame? | |||
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now Yes, because the government should have known a pandemic was coming?? Why don't we blame all the people who have given themselves medical conditions, through their unhealthy life choices, that mean they require ventilators rather than a hot toddy and a week in bed.Or the millions we spent on putting people in care homes pumping them full of drugs to keep them alive,when most don't know what day it is just existing. " Are you saying it should be like Logan's Run and the over 60s should be put down?  | |||
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now Yes, because the government should have known a pandemic was coming?? Why don't we blame all the people who have given themselves medical conditions, through their unhealthy life choices, that mean they require ventilators rather than a hot toddy and a week in bed.Or the millions we spent on putting people in care homes pumping them full of drugs to keep them alive,when most don't know what day it is just existing. Are you saying it should be like Logan's Run and the over 60s should be put down? "Over 30s! | |||
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now Yes, because the government should have known a pandemic was coming?? Why don't we blame all the people who have given themselves medical conditions, through their unhealthy life choices, that mean they require ventilators rather than a hot toddy and a week in bed.Or the millions we spent on putting people in care homes pumping them full of drugs to keep them alive,when most don't know what day it is just existing. Are you saying it should be like Logan's Run and the over 60s should be put down?
Over 30s!"I put 60 as the posters were over 60 | |||
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now Yes, because the government should have known a pandemic was coming?? Why don't we blame all the people who have given themselves medical conditions, through their unhealthy life choices, that mean they require ventilators rather than a hot toddy and a week in bed.Or the millions we spent on putting people in care homes pumping them full of drugs to keep them alive,when most don't know what day it is just existing. Are you saying it should be like Logan's Run and the over 60s should be put down?
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now Yes, because the government should have known a pandemic was coming?? Why don't we blame all the people who have given themselves medical conditions, through their unhealthy life choices, that mean they require ventilators rather than a hot toddy and a week in bed.Or the millions we spent on putting people in care homes pumping them full of drugs to keep them alive,when most don't know what day it is just existing. Are you saying it should be like Logan's Run and the over 60s should be put down? "No but not keep them alive, I spent 6 months visiting my mother and she didn't even know I been there. If that's what we have come to life at all cost, then no thanks not for me hope no one has to go through it. It's heart breaking but doctors know best keep them alive at all costs. | |||
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now Yes, because the government should have known a pandemic was coming?? Why don't we blame all the people who have given themselves medical conditions, through their unhealthy life choices, that mean they require ventilators rather than a hot toddy and a week in bed." A GLOBAL pandemic has been on the cards for a while. As for NHS, we go into crisis every winter because of funding cuts in real terms (hospital closures), the building of new hospitals with less beds (eg Peterborough demolishing the district hospital and Edith cavell hospital and replacing it with a city hospital with less total beds at a time of an influx of EU citizens, ie ignoring growth). A&E, it is now common place for hospitals to be nursing in corridors. Lack of professionals - nursing vacancies have fluctuated around 40,000 nurse vacancies in England alone for the past 5 years. Chronic conditions - not every chronic condition can be reduced to lifestyle choices (take autoimmune diseases.... Please, take them)! | |||
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now Yes, because the government should have known a pandemic was coming?? Why don't we blame all the people who have given themselves medical conditions, through their unhealthy life choices, that mean they require ventilators rather than a hot toddy and a week in bed.Or the millions we spent on putting people in care homes pumping them full of drugs to keep them alive,when most don't know what day it is just existing. Are you saying it should be like Logan's Run and the over 60s should be put down? No but not keep them alive, I spent 6 months visiting my mother and she didn't even know I been there. If that's what we have come to life at all cost, then no thanks not for me hope no one has to go through it. It's heart breaking but doctors know best keep them alive at all costs. "Thats a different argument completely. | |||
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now Yes, because the government should have known a pandemic was coming?? Why don't we blame all the people who have given themselves medical conditions, through their unhealthy life choices, that mean they require ventilators rather than a hot toddy and a week in bed. A GLOBAL pandemic has been on the cards for a while. As for NHS, we go into crisis every winter because of funding cuts in real terms (hospital closures), the building of new hospitals with less beds (eg Peterborough demolishing the district hospital and Edith cavell hospital and replacing it with a city hospital with less total beds at a time of an influx of EU citizens, ie ignoring growth). A&E, it is now common place for hospitals to be nursing in corridors. Lack of professionals - nursing vacancies have fluctuated around 40,000 nurse vacancies in England alone for the past 5 years. Chronic conditions - not every chronic condition can be reduced to lifestyle choices (take autoimmune diseases.... Please, take them)! " I want to hear how he blames the people who have actually caught it. | |||
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now Yes, because the government should have known a pandemic was coming?? Why don't we blame all the people who have given themselves medical conditions, through their unhealthy life choices, that mean they require ventilators rather than a hot toddy and a week in bed.Or the millions we spent on putting people in care homes pumping them full of drugs to keep them alive,when most don't know what day it is just existing. Are you saying it should be like Logan's Run and the over 60s should be put down? No but not keep them alive, I spent 6 months visiting my mother and she didn't even know I been there. If that's what we have come to life at all cost, then no thanks not for me hope no one has to go through it. It's heart breaking but doctors know best keep them alive at all costs.
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now Yes, because the government should have known a pandemic was coming?? Why don't we blame all the people who have given themselves medical conditions, through their unhealthy life choices, that mean they require ventilators rather than a hot toddy and a week in bed.Or the millions we spent on putting people in care homes pumping them full of drugs to keep them alive,when most don't know what day it is just existing. Are you saying it should be like Logan's Run and the over 60s should be put down? No but not keep them alive, I spent 6 months visiting my mother and she didn't even know I been there. If that's what we have come to life at all cost, then no thanks not for me hope no one has to go through it. It's heart breaking but doctors know best keep them alive at all costs.
Thats a different argument completely.
Is it a lot dying now of this virus are the same people we have been keeping alive? "You are talking about euthanasia. We have a duty of care in this country. I'm not really sure what you are suggesting tbh. | |||
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now Yes, because the government should have known a pandemic was coming?? Why don't we blame all the people who have given themselves medical conditions, through their unhealthy life choices, that mean they require ventilators rather than a hot toddy and a week in bed.Or the millions we spent on putting people in care homes pumping them full of drugs to keep them alive,when most don't know what day it is just existing. Are you saying it should be like Logan's Run and the over 60s should be put down? No but not keep them alive, I spent 6 months visiting my mother and she didn't even know I been there. If that's what we have come to life at all cost, then no thanks not for me hope no one has to go through it. It's heart breaking but doctors know best keep them alive at all costs. "First do no harm. The first rule of end of life care is to not extend life or impede death. But to control symptoms (palliative, from to palliate = to ease) such as pain, nausea/vomiting/restlessness. I have met families who have begged for euthanasia and those who have begged to keep mum/dad alive at all costs. It is heartbreaking. | |||
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now Yes, because the government should have known a pandemic was coming?? Why don't we blame all the people who have given themselves medical conditions, through their unhealthy life choices, that mean they require ventilators rather than a hot toddy and a week in bed." I mean, yes? SARS-1, MERS, and H1N1 should have been warning signs... | |||
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"Not just London. It's mad in the Peak District again. Some people just don't get it, including the Chief Medical Officer in Scotland! A total lockdown may be the only way. Alternatively, begin arresting and locking the rulebreakers in enforced isolation. Just a thought ... or we go to a less restricted time. Look at Sweden " Yes, although it is about the people density and in the uk they live more together then un sweden and to compare stats sweden have 10 million people that is just what london have and what works for one country dont work for all of them. | |||
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"Flouting these regulations is happening all over the country. Instead of giving them a fine. I'd send them to the families of all those who have died to explain their stupid actions. I for one would welcome stricter measures. Some people in this country need things spelling out to them before they take any notice. just stay the fuck at home. It's not that hard " this  | |||
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"Why pick on London in particular OP? Could be any city, town or village. "Some people love to have a group of 'others' to generalise about and blame. It's a bit sad really. | |||
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"I'd imagine people will still be able to walk the dog... as some dogs will need walking. But I've seen loads of rule breaks today. Lots of family visits etc.. To be fair I nipped out twice over the last two days for things I realised I needed... ( one was a phone charger and then I needed fuses and bulbs )" Had to close Markeaton Park car park to stop folks going there! | |||
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"Why pick on London in particular OP? Could be any city, town or village.
Some people love to have a group of 'others' to generalise about and blame. It's a bit sad really.
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"Why pick on London in particular OP? Could be any city, town or village.
Some people love to have a group of 'others' to generalise about and blame. It's a bit sad really.
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"I think London appears to be the worst culprit but that’s probably because of a large population in a small area. " London appears to have the most because it has the most people with no direct access to outside areas such as gardens. It's very beneficial for people to be outdoors, vitamin D, mental wellbeing and boosting immune systems for example. This is why I don't think it's very helpful to condemn people who visit their local parks and commons. Angela Rayner (Labour's new deputy) made some very relevant comments on this today. | |||
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"Why pick on London in particular OP? Could be any city, town or village.
Some people love to have a group of 'others' to generalise about and blame. It's a bit sad really.
It's the new government strategy of getting us to blame each other. "New you say? | |||
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"I think people are forgetting that as well as fucking up the NHS with austerity the Tories have also cut huge swathes of frontline police officers and he logistics of enforcing a total lockdown is probably a huge thorn in the government's side right now" oh yeah...forgot about that. What goes around... | |||
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"Why pick on London in particular OP? Could be any city, town or village.
Some people love to have a group of 'others' to generalise about and blame. It's a bit sad really.
It's the new government strategy of getting us to blame each other.
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"I think London appears to be the worst culprit but that’s probably because of a large population in a small area. London appears to have the most because it has the most people with no direct access to outside areas such as gardens. It's very beneficial for people to be outdoors, vitamin D, mental wellbeing and boosting immune systems for example. This is why I don't think it's very helpful to condemn people who visit their local parks and commons. Angela Rayner (Labour's new deputy) made some very relevant comments on this today." They could just go for a walk "around the block" though couldn't they. They don't need to go to the park to get outside. | |||
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"Why pick on London in particular OP? Could be any city, town or village.
Some people love to have a group of 'others' to generalise about and blame. It's a bit sad really.
It's the new government strategy of getting us to blame each other.
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"Spain and Italy both went into lockdown fully weeks ago but numbers still kept going up, not sure that the government knows what to do just following the crowd because they have no answers. " I think one of the reason it did went up there could be cos there it is tradition for all the generations to live together so the outbreak eould spread quicker as a result of it. | |||
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"Seems to me that no health service in ANY country was prepared for this. If the NHS had all of the stuff in stock that they are currently trying to source, then they'd have been slagged off for doing that. This situation is just what it is, an unexpected pandemic with a series of responses based on what was needed balanced against what people would accept. " Other countries seem to be coping better than us? There seems to be a valid argument that when we were slow to react. | |||
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"I think London appears to be the worst culprit but that’s probably because of a large population in a small area. London appears to have the most because it has the most people with no direct access to outside areas such as gardens. It's very beneficial for people to be outdoors, vitamin D, mental wellbeing and boosting immune systems for example. This is why I don't think it's very helpful to condemn people who visit their local parks and commons. Angela Rayner (Labour's new deputy) made some very relevant comments on this today. They could just go for a walk "around the block" though couldn't they. They don't need to go to the park to get outside." It's probably just as local to go to the park as it is to walk around the block. And the air is cleaner too, most of the parks in the name and shame section abutt major highways and thoroughfares. | |||
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"Think you shouldn’t be allowed outside the parish where you live, like they did with the Black Death." Right and people travelling then can move it around the country. | |||
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"I think London appears to be the worst culprit but that’s probably because of a large population in a small area. London appears to have the most because it has the most people with no direct access to outside areas such as gardens. It's very beneficial for people to be outdoors, vitamin D, mental wellbeing and boosting immune systems for example. This is why I don't think it's very helpful to condemn people who visit their local parks and commons. Angela Rayner (Labour's new deputy) made some very relevant comments on this today. They could just go for a walk "around the block" though couldn't they. They don't need to go to the park to get outside. It's probably just as local to go to the park as it is to walk around the block. And the air is cleaner too, most of the parks in the name and shame section abutt major highways and thoroughfares." The airs cleaner.... right o. | |||
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"Think you shouldn’t be allowed outside the parish where you live, like they did with the Black Death. Right and people travelling then can move it around the country. " What, Move the parish? Wow, that is logistically thinking outside the box! | |||
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"I think London appears to be the worst culprit but that’s probably because of a large population in a small area. London appears to have the most because it has the most people with no direct access to outside areas such as gardens. It's very beneficial for people to be outdoors, vitamin D, mental wellbeing and boosting immune systems for example. This is why I don't think it's very helpful to condemn people who visit their local parks and commons. Angela Rayner (Labour's new deputy) made some very relevant comments on this today. They could just go for a walk "around the block" though couldn't they. They don't need to go to the park to get outside. It's probably just as local to go to the park as it is to walk around the block. And the air is cleaner too, most of the parks in the name and shame section abutt major highways and thoroughfares. The airs cleaner.... right o. "Obviously not seen that London's major roads are still quite busy then. | |||
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"I think London appears to be the worst culprit but that’s probably because of a large population in a small area. London appears to have the most because it has the most people with no direct access to outside areas such as gardens. It's very beneficial for people to be outdoors, vitamin D, mental wellbeing and boosting immune systems for example. This is why I don't think it's very helpful to condemn people who visit their local parks and commons. Angela Rayner (Labour's new deputy) made some very relevant comments on this today. They could just go for a walk "around the block" though couldn't they. They don't need to go to the park to get outside. It's probably just as local to go to the park as it is to walk around the block. And the air is cleaner too, most of the parks in the name and shame section abutt major highways and thoroughfares. The airs cleaner.... right o.
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"I think London appears to be the worst culprit but that’s probably because of a large population in a small area. London appears to have the most because it has the most people with no direct access to outside areas such as gardens. It's very beneficial for people to be outdoors, vitamin D, mental wellbeing and boosting immune systems for example. This is why I don't think it's very helpful to condemn people who visit their local parks and commons. Angela Rayner (Labour's new deputy) made some very relevant comments on this today. They could just go for a walk "around the block" though couldn't they. They don't need to go to the park to get outside. It's probably just as local to go to the park as it is to walk around the block. And the air is cleaner too, most of the parks in the name and shame section abutt major highways and thoroughfares. The airs cleaner.... right o.
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"Think you shouldn’t be allowed outside the parish where you live, like they did with the Black Death." And the Poor Laws. Punishable by a public flogging. | |||
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"I think London appears to be the worst culprit but that’s probably because of a large population in a small area. London appears to have the most because it has the most people with no direct access to outside areas such as gardens. It's very beneficial for people to be outdoors, vitamin D, mental wellbeing and boosting immune systems for example. This is why I don't think it's very helpful to condemn people who visit their local parks and commons. Angela Rayner (Labour's new deputy) made some very relevant comments on this today. They could just go for a walk "around the block" though couldn't they. They don't need to go to the park to get outside. It's probably just as local to go to the park as it is to walk around the block. And the air is cleaner too, most of the parks in the name and shame section abutt major highways and thoroughfares. The airs cleaner.... right o.
Obviously not seen that London's major roads are still quite busy then.
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London fucking it up for everyone else. Stay the fuck at home!"Yes because all the photos in the name and shame section were taken in London weren't they.... Anyway, it's healthier and better in the long run for people to get out and get some fresh air. | |||
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" Other countries seem to be coping better than us? There seems to be a valid argument that when we were slow to react. " If government can't persuade people to stay inside by being reasonable, how well do you think they'd have done if they just closed everything down on day one? It's dead easy to do in less democratic societies, but not so easy in ours. I'm no fan of this government, or the alternatives to it currently on offer, but this does kinda smack of "damned if they do, damned if they don't'. | |||
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"Or put them in stocks on village greens etc , & throw rotten tomatoes /vegetables at them ( obviously keeping social distances whist doing so) " Coconuts? | |||
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"I think London appears to be the worst culprit but that’s probably because of a large population in a small area. London appears to have the most because it has the most people with no direct access to outside areas such as gardens. It's very beneficial for people to be outdoors, vitamin D, mental wellbeing and boosting immune systems for example. This is why I don't think it's very helpful to condemn people who visit their local parks and commons. Angela Rayner (Labour's new deputy) made some very relevant comments on this today. They could just go for a walk "around the block" though couldn't they. They don't need to go to the park to get outside. It's probably just as local to go to the park as it is to walk around the block. And the air is cleaner too, most of the parks in the name and shame section abutt major highways and thoroughfares. The airs cleaner.... right o.
Obviously not seen that London's major roads are still quite busy then.
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London fucking it up for everyone else. Stay the fuck at home!
Yes because all the photos in the name and shame section were taken in London weren't they....
Anyway, it's healthier and better in the long run for people to get out and get some fresh air."Not if it involves sharing a space with several hundred other people.... | |||
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London fucking it up for everyone else. Stay the fuck at home!"It's not one particular place, it's the people who live in all different places fucking it up for others. It's happening outside of London too. Try getting your facts straight before posting threads trying to cause arguments. | |||
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" Other countries seem to be coping better than us? There seems to be a valid argument that when we were slow to react. If government can't persuade people to stay inside by being reasonable, how well do you think they'd have done if they just closed everything down on day one? It's dead easy to do in less democratic societies, but not so easy in ours. I'm no fan of this government, or the alternatives to it currently on offer, but this does kinda smack of "damned if they do, damned if they don't'." It's not just lock down Have a look at the speech matt Hancock gave to parliament on the 23rd of jan. | |||
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London fucking it up for everyone else. Stay the fuck at home!
It's not one particular place, it's the people who live in all different places fucking it up for others. It's happening outside of London too. Try getting your facts straight before posting threads trying to cause arguments. "Could you list them all? Might give you something to do? | |||
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"It really puzzle me how people cant follow rules y cant u walk around your block r walk top of road an back if u exercising y r people laying tanning an sitting thing it's time for the total lock down " sadly that's what it's leading to. | |||
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London fucking it up for everyone else. Stay the fuck at home!
It's not one particular place, it's the people who live in all different places fucking it up for others. It's happening outside of London too. Try getting your facts straight before posting threads trying to cause arguments.
Could you list them all? Might give you something to do?"I have plenty to do thanks, try doing your own research. *hint* try looking outside London. | |||
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" Other countries seem to be coping better than us? There seems to be a valid argument that when we were slow to react. If government can't persuade people to stay inside by being reasonable, how well do you think they'd have done if they just closed everything down on day one? It's dead easy to do in less democratic societies, but not so easy in ours. I'm no fan of this government, or the alternatives to it currently on offer, but this does kinda smack of "damned if they do, damned if they don't'." What is smack's of is exactly what they said right at the start. Going full lockdown straight away would be an option for a few reasons one being people's patience would wear out quickly and people would not stay indoors. Second This current generation actually I'm talking pretty much everyone are spoilt brats non of us like being told what to do, thanks to the freedom and independence we have been given by being on the winning side in the last world war but we have become soft and comfortable and like a petulant child don't like being told when we have to go to bed. Third. People are stupid. Individuals are intelligent but as a group people are dumb they turn into a mindless herd following the person in front ( example would be ever sat at a set of temporary traffic lights that take a long time to change guarantee that once one person decides they can't wait and goes at least half a dozen people will follow) I feel that it's fucking shocking that the government is putting all the blame on us yet they appear to be slacking badly on stuff they said they would do testing for example. But it's also fucking shocking that people just can't stay home and do as they are told. It's fuck all to do with London it's a national problem. | |||
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Some people love to have a group of 'others' to generalise about and blame. It's a bit sad really.
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Debate... It's good for you "Debate is fine, picking on one group of people is not. | |||
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"I think London appears to be the worst culprit but that’s probably because of a large population in a small area. London appears to have the most because it has the most people with no direct access to outside areas such as gardens. It's very beneficial for people to be outdoors, vitamin D, mental wellbeing and boosting immune systems for example. This is why I don't think it's very helpful to condemn people who visit their local parks and commons. Angela Rayner (Labour's new deputy) made some very relevant comments on this today. They could just go for a walk "around the block" though couldn't they. They don't need to go to the park to get outside. It's probably just as local to go to the park as it is to walk around the block. And the air is cleaner too, most of the parks in the name and shame section abutt major highways and thoroughfares. The airs cleaner.... right o.
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London fucking it up for everyone else. Stay the fuck at home!
It's not one particular place, it's the people who live in all different places fucking it up for others. It's happening outside of London too. Try getting your facts straight before posting threads trying to cause arguments.
Could you list them all? Might give you something to do?
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"I think London appears to be the worst culprit but that’s probably because of a large population in a small area. London appears to have the most because it has the most people with no direct access to outside areas such as gardens. It's very beneficial for people to be outdoors, vitamin D, mental wellbeing and boosting immune systems for example. This is why I don't think it's very helpful to condemn people who visit their local parks and commons. Angela Rayner (Labour's new deputy) made some very relevant comments on this today. They could just go for a walk "around the block" though couldn't they. They don't need to go to the park to get outside. It's probably just as local to go to the park as it is to walk around the block. And the air is cleaner too, most of the parks in the name and shame section abutt major highways and thoroughfares. The airs cleaner.... right o.
Obviously not seen that London's major roads are still quite busy then.
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London fucking it up for everyone else. Stay the fuck at home!
It's not one particular place, it's the people who live in all different places fucking it up for others. It's happening outside of London too. Try getting your facts straight before posting threads trying to cause arguments.
Could you list them all? Might give you something to do?
I have plenty to do thanks, try doing your own research. *hint* try looking outside London.
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Some people love to have a group of 'others' to generalise about and blame. It's a bit sad really.
Or just to try and make a controversial thread that encourages people to argue.
Debate... It's good for you
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"It’s not just London for goodness sake. Another thread designed purely to antagonise people
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Some people love to have a group of 'others' to generalise about and blame. It's a bit sad really.
Or just to try and make a controversial thread that encourages people to argue.
Debate... It's good for you
Debate is fine, picking on one group of people is not. "But Clem loves to troll, he does it openly. | |||
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"Even prisoners get time to come out their cells. Locking people in their homes all day every day will cause even more resentment to this situation. Also never understood the policy of punishing everyone because of a few idiots. " Thousands of idiots unfortunately. | |||
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"If people continue to flout the law. Is this London fucking it up for the rest of as usual?" Brighton and Bournemouth are in London? | |||
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Some people love to have a group of 'others' to generalise about and blame. It's a bit sad really.
Or just to try and make a controversial thread that encourages people to argue.
Debate... It's good for you
Debate is fine, picking on one group of people is not.
But Clem loves to troll, he does it openly. "That's sad then. | |||
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"If u lay r dit on the grass am cough r spit r sneeze sm someone sits even 1 hr after can there get the virus yes so y so many sitting cant understand" Oh ffs type so people can read what you put. | |||
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Some people love to have a group of 'others' to generalise about and blame. It's a bit sad really.
Or just to try and make a controversial thread that encourages people to argue.
Debate... It's good for you
Debate is fine, picking on one group of people is not.
But Clem loves to troll, he does it openly. "Clem is "openly troll", he's not even "troll curious". Disgusting. *shakes fist* | |||
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"It’s not just London for goodness sake. Another thread designed purely to antagonise people
Ps. I would pass it by but its getting tiring now...
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Or just to try and make a controversial thread that encourages people to argue.
Debate... It's good for you
Debate is fine, picking on one group of people is not.
But Clem loves to troll, he does it openly.
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"I think London appears to be the worst culprit but that’s probably because of a large population in a small area. London appears to have the most because it has the most people with no direct access to outside areas such as gardens. It's very beneficial for people to be outdoors, vitamin D, mental wellbeing and boosting immune systems for example. This is why I don't think it's very helpful to condemn people who visit their local parks and commons. Angela Rayner (Labour's new deputy) made some very relevant comments on this today. They could just go for a walk "around the block" though couldn't they. They don't need to go to the park to get outside. It's probably just as local to go to the park as it is to walk around the block. And the air is cleaner too, most of the parks in the name and shame section abutt major highways and thoroughfares. The airs cleaner.... right o.
Obviously not seen that London's major roads are still quite busy then.
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London fucking it up for everyone else. Stay the fuck at home!
Yes because all the photos in the name and shame section were taken in London weren't they....
Anyway, it's healthier and better in the long run for people to get out and get some fresh air.
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"If people continue to flout the law. Is this London fucking it up for the rest of as usual? Brighton and Bournemouth are in London? "Cornwall, Devon and the Midlands are too apparantly. It truly must be that London has expanded to cover the whole of the UK. | |||
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"This afternoon our next door neighbours have had a full blown hot-tub party, BBQ and social with people ranging from their 60's to toddlers. The police were called and all they said was "you've had a complaint about noise from a neighbour" - nothing about a lockdown or the smell of skunk coming from the back garden or a party going on - these fuckwits are the ones that lead to the rest of us suffering and some sadly dying - and the police just standby and watch. "I wanted to buy a hot tub earlier, I was 6984 in the queue with a 19 minute wait to browse | |||
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Ps. I would pass it by but its getting tiring now...
Does that even make sense? "I would pass it by but its getting tiring now..."
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Does that even make sense? "I would pass it by but its getting tiring now..."
Yes it makes sense. It’s a response to your normal response when someone disagrees with you of ‘ feel free to pass it by then.’ Tiring. Get a hobby "So, they would have passed it by, but they're tired of "it", so they then summoned the energy to comment.... amazing. | |||
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"If people continue to flout the law. Is this London fucking it up for the rest of as usual? Brighton and Bournemouth are in London?
Cornwall, Devon and the Midlands are too apparantly. It truly must be that London has expanded to cover the whole of the UK. "When I went to the US for a holiday, I was constantly asked if I came from London. I'd reply I lived 2 hours away and the response - yeah London . | |||
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"If people continue to flout the law. Is this London fucking it up for the rest of as usual? Brighton and Bournemouth are in London?
Cornwall, Devon and the Midlands are too apparantly. It truly must be that London has expanded to cover the whole of the UK.
When I went to the US for a holiday, I was constantly asked if I came from London. I'd reply I lived 2 hours away and the response - yeah London . "I had the same thing when I was out there, but Clem should know better, he lives in Salisbury in the south west, not America. | |||
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"It's not just Londoners that are flouting it. I've never seen so many joggers in my life. When I take my daughter, who works in the NHS, to the station in the morning, or especially when I pick her up in the evening, I'm staggered by the amount of people I see outside walking their dogs, jogging, having a stroll, with pushchairs etc. And the woman across the street is always out with her dogs. They must have half a dozen walks a day. It still hasn't dawned on some people and I can see more stringent measures being brought in" This fella has it in for runners...and the BBC | |||
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"If people continue to flout the law. Is this London fucking it up for the rest of as usual? Brighton and Bournemouth are in London?
Cornwall, Devon and the Midlands are too apparantly. It truly must be that London has expanded to cover the whole of the UK.
When I went to the US for a holiday, I was constantly asked if I came from London. I'd reply I lived 2 hours away and the response - yeah London . "Ha ha, used to work in the States, was in a hotel bar not far from Newark Airport, a fella picked up on my accent and asked, “I know Fritz from Munich, Europe ( its a American thing, I’m Bill from Santa Monica, California. Name, Area, Sate identification), do you know him”? Obviously answer was, “ did he have a mum called Heidi ?” | |||
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"It's not just Londoners that are flouting it. I've never seen so many joggers in my life. When I take my daughter, who works in the NHS, to the station in the morning, or especially when I pick her up in the evening, I'm staggered by the amount of people I see outside walking their dogs, jogging, having a stroll, with pushchairs etc. And the woman across the street is always out with her dogs. They must have half a dozen walks a day. It still hasn't dawned on some people and I can see more stringent measures being brought in" I do hope a person working in the NHS is not using public transport if they have alternatives? I'd suggest it matters not if a person runs or walks 100 times a day IF IF IF they touch nothing stay at least 3 m away from anyone and dont stop and chat ? I'd suggest ANYONE using public transport even once is a risk we should not be taking even once it will end up with dead nurses | |||
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"It's not just Londoners that are flouting it. I've never seen so many joggers in my life. When I take my daughter, who works in the NHS, to the station in the morning, or especially when I pick her up in the evening, I'm staggered by the amount of people I see outside walking their dogs, jogging, having a stroll, with pushchairs etc. And the woman across the street is always out with her dogs. They must have half a dozen walks a day. It still hasn't dawned on some people and I can see more stringent measures being brought in I do hope a person working in the NHS is not using public transport if they have alternatives? I'd suggest it matters not if a person runs or walks 100 times a day IF IF IF they touch nothing stay at least 3 m away from anyone and dont stop and chat ? I'd suggest ANYONE using public transport even once is a risk we should not be taking even once it will end up with dead nurses " I will be brutally honest here If ,IF I had a daughter living at home working for the NHS and the virus is as described I would take her to and from and then not make any other further human contact anything other than that IS adding unnecessary risk to society | |||
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"I think London appears to be the worst culprit but that’s probably because of a large population in a small area. London appears to have the most because it has the most people with no direct access to outside areas such as gardens. It's very beneficial for people to be outdoors, vitamin D, mental wellbeing and boosting immune systems for example. This is why I don't think it's very helpful to condemn people who visit their local parks and commons. Angela Rayner (Labour's new deputy) made some very relevant comments on this today. They could just go for a walk "around the block" though couldn't they. They don't need to go to the park to get outside. It's probably just as local to go to the park as it is to walk around the block. And the air is cleaner too, most of the parks in the name and shame section abutt major highways and thoroughfares. The airs cleaner.... right o.
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London fucking it up for everyone else. Stay the fuck at home!"Are you self isolating in a inner city flat with kids, no income and scared of what’s coming? If not then shut the fuck up as you have no idea what other people are going through. We have a large garden, can probably survive economically, depends how long and are not blaming people who are sitting 20ft apart in the local parks Your ok have some empathy for others | |||
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"You can ask some people politely to follow the rules and they do, others require a different approach. Unfortunately in this instance it will have to affect everyone to stop the minority. It’s not that difficult to follow the rules and stay in. Are you absolutely staying in? No garden nothing?" I have obeyed the rules. I walk once a day, usually early on a deserted lane and I sit in my garden with nobody else near me. I haven’t been anywhere other than that. As I said it’s easy enough to stay in. | |||
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"You can ask some people politely to follow the rules and they do, others require a different approach. Unfortunately in this instance it will have to affect everyone to stop the minority. It’s not that difficult to follow the rules and stay in. Are you absolutely staying in? No garden nothing? I have obeyed the rules. I walk once a day, usually early on a deserted lane and I sit in my garden with nobody else near me. I haven’t been anywhere other than that. As I said it’s easy enough to stay in. " For you | |||
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"You can ask some people politely to follow the rules and they do, others require a different approach. Unfortunately in this instance it will have to affect everyone to stop the minority. It’s not that difficult to follow the rules and stay in. Are you absolutely staying in? No garden nothing? I have obeyed the rules. I walk once a day, usually early on a deserted lane and I sit in my garden with nobody else near me. I haven’t been anywhere other than that. As I said it’s easy enough to stay in. " Who is doing your shopping? | |||
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"Yeah it’s crazy where I live too so many people out in groups having a jolly up But I do think this is the perfect excuse to keep us all in total lock down for a bit " Where I live 99.5 Are respectfully adhering to sensible social distancing (a generous 2 m) | |||
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"If you want to be angry, direct it at a government that’s took so much money from the NHS, we’re all having to stay indoors now " oh is that a fact of why we have to stay in? seems like every country round the world underfunds there health service then. or did u miss most of the world having to stay in | |||
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"You can ask some people politely to follow the rules and they do, others require a different approach. Unfortunately in this instance it will have to affect everyone to stop the minority. It’s not that difficult to follow the rules and stay in. Are you absolutely staying in? No garden nothing? I have obeyed the rules. I walk once a day, usually early on a deserted lane and I sit in my garden with nobody else near me. I haven’t been anywhere other than that. As I said it’s easy enough to stay in. " Do you check if your neighbours are out in their garden? And if they are do you stay there in? From what I’ve seen of people sitting in parks with a gap between the only close social interaction has been the police. | |||
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"You can ask some people politely to follow the rules and they do, others require a different approach. Unfortunately in this instance it will have to affect everyone to stop the minority. It’s not that difficult to follow the rules and stay in. Are you absolutely staying in? No garden nothing? I have obeyed the rules. I walk once a day, usually early on a deserted lane and I sit in my garden with nobody else near me. I haven’t been anywhere other than that. As I said it’s easy enough to stay in. Do you check if your neighbours are out in their garden? And if they are do you stay there in? From what I’ve seen of people sitting in parks with a gap between the only close social interaction has been the police." That is not really a good argument, sitting in your own garden is not sitting in a park. The pictures posted to show what people are doing looked like they were close together, however if it was a camera angle that was making it look that way you and others seem to be missing the point, to get to the park you could be touching other things like railings in the park, a park gate on the way in..then someone else touches it after them. Sit down on a bench, then another person sits there after you. If people just did as asked and stayed away there will be less risk. Surely a walk around the block would surface as exercise...sitting on the grass sunbathing certainly isn't | |||
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"You can ask some people politely to follow the rules and they do, others require a different approach. Unfortunately in this instance it will have to affect everyone to stop the minority. It’s not that difficult to follow the rules and stay in. Are you absolutely staying in? No garden nothing? I have obeyed the rules. I walk once a day, usually early on a deserted lane and I sit in my garden with nobody else near me. I haven’t been anywhere other than that. As I said it’s easy enough to stay in. Do you check if your neighbours are out in their garden? And if they are do you stay there in? From what I’ve seen of people sitting in parks with a gap between the only close social interaction has been the police. My neighbours aren’t near enough to cause an issue. I haven’t seen them over the last week going anywhere. I think we are ok here. The rules are there for a reason and it will end up that nobody can go out at this rate. We are asked to make a small sacrifice for the greater good. I simply feel it is extremely selfish to be willing to put all emergency services at risk so they can hang out in a park. If the threat of death doesn’t scare them then nothing will I suppose. " You aren’t making the sacrifice, I’m not either, the difference is I emphasise with those that are. The mental and economic burden will be put upon the poorest and less able. Don’t judge because it doesn’t effect you the same way. | |||
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"You can ask some people politely to follow the rules and they do, others require a different approach. Unfortunately in this instance it will have to affect everyone to stop the minority. It’s not that difficult to follow the rules and stay in. Are you absolutely staying in? No garden nothing? I have obeyed the rules. I walk once a day, usually early on a deserted lane and I sit in my garden with nobody else near me. I haven’t been anywhere other than that. As I said it’s easy enough to stay in. Do you check if your neighbours are out in their garden? And if they are do you stay there in? From what I’ve seen of people sitting in parks with a gap between the only close social interaction has been the police. My neighbours aren’t near enough to cause an issue. I haven’t seen them over the last week going anywhere. I think we are ok here. The rules are there for a reason and it will end up that nobody can go out at this rate. We are asked to make a small sacrifice for the greater good. I simply feel it is extremely selfish to be willing to put all emergency services at risk so they can hang out in a park. If the threat of death doesn’t scare them then nothing will I suppose. " You aren’t making the sacrifice, I’m not either, the difference is I emphasise with those that are. The mental and economic burden will be put upon the poorest and less able. Don’t judge because it doesn’t effect you the same way. | |||
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"Not just London. It's mad in the Peak District again. Some people just don't get it, including the Chief Medical Officer in Scotland! A total lockdown may be the only way. Alternatively, begin arresting and locking the rulebreakers in enforced isolation. Just a thought ... " If the government announced that anyone caught violating the law would be put into a camp for two weeks with no medical support if and when they contracted the virus. It might make a few think about their selfish behaviour and those that didn't would be doing the country a great service in helping create our heard protection. | |||
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" We are asked to make a small sacrifice for the greater good. I simply feel it is extremely selfish to be willing to put all emergency services at risk so they can hang out in a park. If the threat of death doesn’t scare them then nothing will I suppose. I don't think people think there is a threat to them...until it happens to them or someone they care for, they may think differently then I agree with you. Bigger picture doesn’t effect you so let’s all sit in our gardens, redecorate the spare room. Poor people can sit in their dingy flats and hope we can be arsed to stick a can in the food bank." If they want to try and stay safe this is something they will have to do...a sunbathe in the park is not worth the risk. | |||
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"You can ask some people politely to follow the rules and they do, others require a different approach. Unfortunately in this instance it will have to affect everyone to stop the minority. It’s not that difficult to follow the rules and stay in. Are you absolutely staying in? No garden nothing? I have obeyed the rules. I walk once a day, usually early on a deserted lane and I sit in my garden with nobody else near me. I haven’t been anywhere other than that. As I said it’s easy enough to stay in. Do you check if your neighbours are out in their garden? And if they are do you stay there in? From what I’ve seen of people sitting in parks with a gap between the only close social interaction has been the police. My neighbours aren’t near enough to cause an issue. I haven’t seen them over the last week going anywhere. I think we are ok here. The rules are there for a reason and it will end up that nobody can go out at this rate. We are asked to make a small sacrifice for the greater good. I simply feel it is extremely selfish to be willing to put all emergency services at risk so they can hang out in a park. If the threat of death doesn’t scare them then nothing will I suppose. You aren’t making the sacrifice, I’m not either, the difference is I emphasise with those that are. The mental and economic burden will be put upon the poorest and less able. Don’t judge because it doesn’t effect you the same way. Not just the poorest and less able. None of us know each other’s stories. All of the above doesn’t excuse breaking the rules. I obey the rules. Some don’t. It’s that simple. To do your own thing puts others at risk. I wouldn’t want that on my conscience and I can’t understand why others are willing to do it. " Because you don’t have to | |||
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" All of the above doesn’t excuse breaking the rules. I obey the rules. Some don’t. It’s that simple. To do your own thing puts others at risk. I wouldn’t want that on my conscience and I can’t understand why others are willing to do it. Because you don’t have to" What do you mean? | |||
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" We are asked to make a small sacrifice for the greater good. I simply feel it is extremely selfish to be willing to put all emergency services at risk so they can hang out in a park. If the threat of death doesn’t scare them then nothing will I suppose. I don't think people think there is a threat to them...until it happens to them or someone they care for, they may think differently then I agree with you. Bigger picture doesn’t effect you so let’s all sit in our gardens, redecorate the spare room. Poor people can sit in their dingy flats and hope we can be arsed to stick a can in the food bank. If they want to try and stay safe this is something they will have to do...a sunbathe in the park is not worth the risk. " PS you are assuming that everyone that were sunbathing yesterday were poor and live in dingy flats. | |||
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"You can ask some people politely to follow the rules and they do, others require a different approach. Unfortunately in this instance it will have to affect everyone to stop the minority. It’s not that difficult to follow the rules and stay in. Are you absolutely staying in? No garden nothing? I have obeyed the rules. I walk once a day, usually early on a deserted lane and I sit in my garden with nobody else near me. I haven’t been anywhere other than that. As I said it’s easy enough to stay in. Try living in the middle of a densely populated city in a high rise with a couple of kids, we dont but I can imagine it's a nightmare to deal with this situation " Add that to claustrophobia, vulnerable adults/children/special needs, domestic abuse, and other such stuff. Just because one finds it "easy enough" and therefore not a sacrifice, there'll be plenty of others for whom it will be the task from hell. | |||
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" We are asked to make a small sacrifice for the greater good. I simply feel it is extremely selfish to be willing to put all emergency services at risk so they can hang out in a park. If the threat of death doesn’t scare them then nothing will I suppose. I don't think people think there is a threat to them...until it happens to them or someone they care for, they may think differently then I agree with you. Bigger picture doesn’t effect you so let’s all sit in our gardens, redecorate the spare room. Poor people can sit in their dingy flats and hope we can be arsed to stick a can in the food bank. If they want to try and stay safe this is something they will have to do...a sunbathe in the park is not worth the risk. PS you are assuming that everyone that were sunbathing yesterday were poor and live in dingy flats." You are assuming that they had lovely gardens they could have used but choose to head to the park for the hell of it. | |||
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"You can ask some people politely to follow the rules and they do, others require a different approach. Unfortunately in this instance it will have to affect everyone to stop the minority. It’s not that difficult to follow the rules and stay in. Are you absolutely staying in? No garden nothing? I have obeyed the rules. I walk once a day, usually early on a deserted lane and I sit in my garden with nobody else near me. I haven’t been anywhere other than that. As I said it’s easy enough to stay in. Try living in the middle of a densely populated city in a high rise with a couple of kids, we dont but I can imagine it's a nightmare to deal with this situation Add that to claustrophobia, vulnerable adults/children/special needs, domestic abuse, and other such stuff. Just because one finds it "easy enough" and therefore not a sacrifice, there'll be plenty of others for whom it will be the task from hell. " I understand that perfectly well - I work with it but this isn’t about any one individual and that’s my point. We all make sacrifices. As I said earlier nobody knows other people’s circumstances. | |||
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"I'd imagine people will still be able to walk the dog... as some dogs will need walking. But I've seen loads of rule breaks today. Lots of family visits etc.. To be fair I nipped out twice over the last two days for things I realised I needed... ( one was a phone charger and then I needed fuses and bulbs )" At least you won't need any condoms | |||
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"You can ask some people politely to follow the rules and they do, others require a different approach. Unfortunately in this instance it will have to affect everyone to stop the minority. It’s not that difficult to follow the rules and stay in. Are you absolutely staying in? No garden nothing? I have obeyed the rules. I walk once a day, usually early on a deserted lane and I sit in my garden with nobody else near me. I haven’t been anywhere other than that. As I said it’s easy enough to stay in. Try living in the middle of a densely populated city in a high rise with a couple of kids, we dont but I can imagine it's a nightmare to deal with this situation Add that to claustrophobia, vulnerable adults/children/special needs, domestic abuse, and other such stuff. Just because one finds it "easy enough" and therefore not a sacrifice, there'll be plenty of others for whom it will be the task from hell. I understand that perfectly well - I work with it but this isn’t about any one individual and that’s my point. We all make sacrifices. As I said earlier nobody knows other people’s circumstances. " Then you'll address your remark of "easy enough". | |||
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"You can ask some people politely to follow the rules and they do, others require a different approach. Unfortunately in this instance it will have to affect everyone to stop the minority. It’s not that difficult to follow the rules and stay in. Are you absolutely staying in? No garden nothing? I have obeyed the rules. I walk once a day, usually early on a deserted lane and I sit in my garden with nobody else near me. I haven’t been anywhere other than that. As I said it’s easy enough to stay in. Try living in the middle of a densely populated city in a high rise with a couple of kids, we dont but I can imagine it's a nightmare to deal with this situation Add that to claustrophobia, vulnerable adults/children/special needs, domestic abuse, and other such stuff. Just because one finds it "easy enough" and therefore not a sacrifice, there'll be plenty of others for whom it will be the task from hell. I understand that perfectly well - I work with it but this isn’t about any one individual and that’s my point. We all make sacrifices. As I said earlier nobody knows other people’s circumstances. Then you'll address your remark of "easy enough". " Will I? By command?
It’s a mindset as far as I’m concerned. I do find it easy enough, mainly because I accept it without question. I am well aware of the impact it is having on people, and some of the measures in place for people, as I said I do work with them. Nonetheless, I will obey the rules because they are there for us all.
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" We are asked to make a small sacrifice for the greater good. I simply feel it is extremely selfish to be willing to put all emergency services at risk so they can hang out in a park. If the threat of death doesn’t scare them then nothing will I suppose. I don't think people think there is a threat to them...until it happens to them or someone they care for, they may think differently then I agree with you. Bigger picture doesn’t effect you so let’s all sit in our gardens, redecorate the spare room. Poor people can sit in their dingy flats and hope we can be arsed to stick a can in the food bank. If they want to try and stay safe this is something they will have to do...a sunbathe in the park is not worth the risk. PS you are assuming that everyone that were sunbathing yesterday were poor and live in dingy flats. You are assuming that they had lovely gardens they could have used but choose to head to the park for the hell of it." I didn't If you could point me to a post that I said that I would be grateful | |||
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"You can ask some people politely to follow the rules and they do, others require a different approach. Unfortunately in this instance it will have to affect everyone to stop the minority. It’s not that difficult to follow the rules and stay in. Are you absolutely staying in? No garden nothing? I have obeyed the rules. I walk once a day, usually early on a deserted lane and I sit in my garden with nobody else near me. I haven’t been anywhere other than that. As I said it’s easy enough to stay in. Try living in the middle of a densely populated city in a high rise with a couple of kids, we dont but I can imagine it's a nightmare to deal with this situation Add that to claustrophobia, vulnerable adults/children/special needs, domestic abuse, and other such stuff. Just because one finds it "easy enough" and therefore not a sacrifice, there'll be plenty of others for whom it will be the task from hell. I understand that perfectly well - I work with it but this isn’t about any one individual and that’s my point. We all make sacrifices. As I said earlier nobody knows other people’s circumstances. Then you'll address your remark of "easy enough". Will I? By command?
It’s a mindset as far as I’m concerned. I do find it easy enough, mainly because I accept it without question. I am well aware of the impact it is having on people, and some of the measures in place for people, as I said I do work with them. Nonetheless, I will obey the rules because they are there for us all.
I also talk to my friend who is dealing with these COVID patients in hospital every day. Ask these nurses how they feel about people hanging around it parks. They are risking their lives. "Yes I command thee . Admittedly it should have a question mark at the end  .
Oddly enough I didn't make a comment about those flouting the rules as I just wanted to remark on how different one's sacrifice is to another.
Initially I pondered upon why sunbathing is problematic (albeit with social distancing), then I was reminded that the govt proclaimed one exercise daily was a benefit versus risk assessment - allowing benefits to mind and body, so your vit D intake and getting us lazy brits off our arses (not that they'd say it in those terms).
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"I think the point is, some people just take the piss, the more they take the piss the more chance of us all not being allowed out at all, which will be even worse for the people who are already struggling I would also say just because someone has a garden / money doesn't mean they may not struggle at some point." I’m going to leave it here as I have a big garden and money in the bank, so stay inside your flat I’ve got 2 spare tins of Beans I’m going to drop off at the food bank so it’s all good | |||
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"I think the point is, some people just take the piss, the more they take the piss the more chance of us all not being allowed out at all, which will be even worse for the people who are already struggling I would also say just because someone has a garden / money doesn't mean they may not struggle at some point. I’m going to leave it here as I have a big garden and money in the bank, so stay inside your flat I’ve got 2 spare tins of Beans I’m going to drop off at the food bank so it’s all good" I am sorry but you have lost me totally with your ramblings. Unless it is just a childish way to say that you have no argument as you know people are right | |||
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"I think the point is, some people just take the piss, the more they take the piss the more chance of us all not being allowed out at all, which will be even worse for the people who are already struggling I would also say just because someone has a garden / money doesn't mean they may not struggle at some point." This.
I've lost count of the number of times we've had filthy looks from people as we drive by (we have to go out twice daily to tend to animals) because there's two of us and a small child (can't really leave at home!) in the car. I've also lost count of the times we've seen the same groups of kids stood outside the same houses playing together, the same groups of teens (obviously unrelated) hanging around outside shops and the same boy racers doubling the speed limits when overtaking us - and we live pretty much in the middle of butt-fuck-nowhere.
This isn't a city issue by any stretch of the imagination.
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"I think the point is, some people just take the piss, the more they take the piss the more chance of us all not being allowed out at all, which will be even worse for the people who are already struggling I would also say just because someone has a garden / money doesn't mean they may not struggle at some point." No that's NOT how it works There are rules People should or must adhere to them If THEY do not THEY face the consequences of THEIR actions The speed limit is x If x is broken people die People break the limit Do we stop all people driving My list could be endless Cities do seem to be the difficult areas Perhaps instead of total bans locdowns across the whole county an intelligent organised approach for high population areas for example a one way systems in town and city parks would help I think the effect cabin fever will cause is being underestimated just as the virus is both need improving strategies evolutions I also have zero to worry about I have more than enough space . It's the absolutist rhetoric lack of adaptability for different communities and circumstances a one size forced to fudge not really fit anything approach For example surely flats and high rise dont need a lock down they need a rota at least that would be an intelligent start , some logic rules written to help avoid contagion They have to move to get food help them organise Restrictions are absolutely necessary but very good complementary management of spaces is required alongside Look at my motorway analogy Have a road system working like a town speed is low volume is low accidents numerous Organise the traffic into streams and it works better Point being while on the very sensible necessary movement restrictions also assist with management not just metaphoric road blocks I will reiterate I do not say this for my benefit I'm exceptionally lucky But some of the rhetoric just does not sit right And what the fuck are hospital key health workers doing using public transport They absolutely should have dedicated transport to work | |||
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"I think the point is, some people just take the piss, the more they take the piss the more chance of us all not being allowed out at all, which will be even worse for the people who are already struggling I would also say just because someone has a garden / money doesn't mean they may not struggle at some point. No that's NOT how it works There are rules People should or must adhere to them If THEY do not THEY face the consequences of THEIR actions The speed limit is x If x is broken people die People break the limit Do we stop all people driving My list could be endless Cities do seem to be the difficult areas Perhaps instead of total bans locdowns across the whole county an intelligent organised approach for high population areas for example a one way systems in town and city parks would help I think the effect cabin fever will cause is being underestimated just as the virus is both need improving strategies evolutions I also have zero to worry about I have more than enough space . It's the absolutist rhetoric lack of adaptability for different communities and circumstances a one size forced to fudge not really fit anything approach For example surely flats and high rise dont need a lock down they need a rota at least that would be an intelligent start , some logic rules written to help avoid contagion They have to move to get food help them organise Restrictions are absolutely necessary but very good complementary management of spaces is required alongside Look at my motorway analogy Have a road system working like a town speed is low volume is low accidents numerous Organise the traffic into streams and it works better Point being while on the very sensible necessary movement restrictions also assist with management not just metaphoric road blocks I will reiterate I do not say this for my benefit I'm exceptionally lucky But some of the rhetoric just does not sit right And what the fuck are hospital key health workers doing using public transport They absolutely should have dedicated transport to work " What else are they supposed to use if they cannot drive? | |||
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"Maybe a good idea is to have a viewing gallery over a Covid ward, make them sit and watch people struggling to stay alive and also watching NHS staff risk their life trying to stop people dying" Actually I thought tag THEM fine THEM confine THEM to house arrest if anyone if found breaking social distance criteria as that's the real make n break of the spread For example if a person decides to go on an hours bike ride their potential harm to our NHS is zero If a person goes into a park and runs against an organised flow not keeping 4 m away that's time for action easily monitored too | |||
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