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By *atBottomGirls OP   Woman
over a year ago

St Austell-ish

We all know that those in health care are key workers. But--so are all those who get our food to us.

How many people realize they are generally paid the lowest hourly wage possible?

I am, specifically, talking here about people who deliver your takeaways. Yes, it's a comfort to know that we can get food from anywhere in a short time, and these days, contactless delivery is the norm. BUT--even without handing food over directly, do you stop to realize that these people are still putting their lives (or that of their families) in danger, by using public transport to get to/from work, and working in VERY close proximity to others in the kitchens (much less dealing with the customers who insist on greeting at the door and taking food in hand?).

My partner is a delivery guy. Sales since the lockdown are DOUBLE what they were a year ago at this time. He generally does 20-30 deliveries per shift. For minimum wage. Tips are non existent right now, due to it all going cashless. Yet--he's risking this virus (and passing it on to the family we live with--who have underlying conditions, and very high risk).

For minimum wage.

Next time you order in, TIP. Does a few quid make or break you? (if it does, you might want to seriously consider making your own food--shop for yourselves). If not, rem_mber---delivery people are doing what you choose not to do--be out there and bring you food.

A few quid help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Alot of folk working on the front line who are on minimum wage who dont receive tips.

Your fella gets paid, it's his job to deliver food. Why should customers pay him extra.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd give him a tenna to bring me a dominos now

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By *dores blackmenWoman
over a year ago

incognito mode ;-)

Your asking for tips,some of the people asking for delivery,are vulnerable,out of work,on ssp or furlong so why are they going to give tips when they can hardly afford the food they just brought

It's not out of laziness some people are using delivery services

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By *atBottomGirls OP   Woman
over a year ago

St Austell-ish


"Your asking for tips,some of the people asking for delivery,are vulnerable,out of work,on ssp or furlong so why are they going to give tips when they can hardly afford the food they just brought

It's not out of laziness some people are using delivery services"

And it's not those who are vulnerable that I'm speaking to, either.

Would YOU risk your health or those you live with for minimum wage?

Is all I ask.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We all know that those in health care are key workers. But--so are all those who get our food to us.

How many people realize they are generally paid the lowest hourly wage possible?

I am, specifically, talking here about people who deliver your takeaways. Yes, it's a comfort to know that we can get food from anywhere in a short time, and these days, contactless delivery is the norm. BUT--even without handing food over directly, do you stop to realize that these people are still putting their lives (or that of their families) in danger, by using public transport to get to/from work, and working in VERY close proximity to others in the kitchens (much less dealing with the customers who insist on greeting at the door and taking food in hand?).

My partner is a delivery guy. Sales since the lockdown are DOUBLE what they were a year ago at this time. He generally does 20-30 deliveries per shift. For minimum wage. Tips are non existent right now, due to it all going cashless. Yet--he's risking this virus (and passing it on to the family we live with--who have underlying conditions, and very high risk).

For minimum wage.

Next time you order in, TIP. Does a few quid make or break you? (if it does, you might want to seriously consider making your own food--shop for yourselves). If not, rem_mber---delivery people are doing what you choose not to do--be out there and bring you food.

A few quid help."

The majority of social care workers e.g care homes, domicilliary care etc are on minimum wage and (with all due respect) have a hell of a lot more responsibility. Don't see them asking for tips

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By *atBottomGirls OP   Woman
over a year ago

St Austell-ish


"We all know that those in health care are key workers. But--so are all those who get our food to us.

How many people realize they are generally paid the lowest hourly wage possible?

I am, specifically, talking here about people who deliver your takeaways. Yes, it's a comfort to know that we can get food from anywhere in a short time, and these days, contactless delivery is the norm. BUT--even without handing food over directly, do you stop to realize that these people are still putting their lives (or that of their families) in danger, by using public transport to get to/from work, and working in VERY close proximity to others in the kitchens (much less dealing with the customers who insist on greeting at the door and taking food in hand?).

My partner is a delivery guy. Sales since the lockdown are DOUBLE what they were a year ago at this time. He generally does 20-30 deliveries per shift. For minimum wage. Tips are non existent right now, due to it all going cashless. Yet--he's risking this virus (and passing it on to the family we live with--who have underlying conditions, and very high risk).

For minimum wage.

Next time you order in, TIP. Does a few quid make or break you? (if it does, you might want to seriously consider making your own food--shop for yourselves). If not, rem_mber---delivery people are doing what you choose not to do--be out there and bring you food.

A few quid help.

The majority of social care workers e.g care homes, domicilliary care etc are on minimum wage and (with all due respect) have a hell of a lot more responsibility. Don't see them asking for tips "

They should be paid a helluva lot more. ANYONE working with the public right now should be.

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By *atBottomGirls OP   Woman
over a year ago

St Austell-ish


"We all know that those in health care are key workers. But--so are all those who get our food to us.

How many people realize they are generally paid the lowest hourly wage possible?

I am, specifically, talking here about people who deliver your takeaways. Yes, it's a comfort to know that we can get food from anywhere in a short time, and these days, contactless delivery is the norm. BUT--even without handing food over directly, do you stop to realize that these people are still putting their lives (or that of their families) in danger, by using public transport to get to/from work, and working in VERY close proximity to others in the kitchens (much less dealing with the customers who insist on greeting at the door and taking food in hand?).

My partner is a delivery guy. Sales since the lockdown are DOUBLE what they were a year ago at this time. He generally does 20-30 deliveries per shift. For minimum wage. Tips are non existent right now, due to it all going cashless. Yet--he's risking this virus (and passing it on to the family we live with--who have underlying conditions, and very high risk).

For minimum wage.

Next time you order in, TIP. Does a few quid make or break you? (if it does, you might want to seriously consider making your own food--shop for yourselves). If not, rem_mber---delivery people are doing what you choose not to do--be out there and bring you food.

A few quid help.

The majority of social care workers e.g care homes, domicilliary care etc are on minimum wage and (with all due respect) have a hell of a lot more responsibility. Don't see them asking for tips "

With all due respect, they have a hell of a lot more responsibility....AND are not optional services. Which food delivery is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We all know that those in health care are key workers. But--so are all those who get our food to us.

How many people realize they are generally paid the lowest hourly wage possible?

I am, specifically, talking here about people who deliver your takeaways. Yes, it's a comfort to know that we can get food from anywhere in a short time, and these days, contactless delivery is the norm. BUT--even without handing food over directly, do you stop to realize that these people are still putting their lives (or that of their families) in danger, by using public transport to get to/from work, and working in VERY close proximity to others in the kitchens (much less dealing with the customers who insist on greeting at the door and taking food in hand?).

My partner is a delivery guy. Sales since the lockdown are DOUBLE what they were a year ago at this time. He generally does 20-30 deliveries per shift. For minimum wage. Tips are non existent right now, due to it all going cashless. Yet--he's risking this virus (and passing it on to the family we live with--who have underlying conditions, and very high risk).

For minimum wage.

Next time you order in, TIP. Does a few quid make or break you? (if it does, you might want to seriously consider making your own food--shop for yourselves). If not, rem_mber---delivery people are doing what you choose not to do--be out there and bring you food.

A few quid help.

The majority of social care workers e.g care homes, domicilliary care etc are on minimum wage and (with all due respect) have a hell of a lot more responsibility. Don't see them asking for tips

With all due respect, they have a hell of a lot more responsibility....AND are not optional services. Which food delivery is."

So why should food delivery workers expect tips?? They're being classed as an essential service aswell I believe during this period as a lot of people are in a position where they struggle to get out to get food like they normally would and find it easier/ safer to have food delivered to them at home. Maybe they're under financial strain thenselves so unable to offer tips? I always thought tips were an optional bonus and not automatically expected

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By *dores blackmenWoman
over a year ago

incognito mode ;-)


"Your asking for tips,some of the people asking for delivery,are vulnerable,out of work,on ssp or furlong so why are they going to give tips when they can hardly afford the food they just brought

It's not out of laziness some people are using delivery services

And it's not those who are vulnerable that I'm speaking to, either.

Would YOU risk your health or those you live with for minimum wage?

Is all I ask.

"

Yes at the moment I'm at work on minimum wage,I am a carer,working closely with colleagues,which involves alot of closeness caring for the residents,I don't have an option of a 2 metres away contact less job

I also go to the shops as I know vulnerable people need the slots more

Also what is a tip that's something a carer does not receive,so think about the reasons why he doesn't get tips at the moment as not about contactless I can assure you as I mentioned above

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By *atBottomGirls OP   Woman
over a year ago

St Austell-ish


"

So why should food delivery workers expect tips?? They're being classed as an essential service aswell I believe during this period as a lot of people are in a position where they struggle to get out to get food like they normally would and find it easier/ safer to have food delivered to them at home. Maybe they're under financial strain thenselves so unable to offer tips? I always thought tips were an optional bonus and not automatically expected "

Because, like ALL Key Workers, they are not allowed to simply leave their jobs and get help from the government. YET--they are expected to risk getting this virus or pass it on.

If someone is lazy enough to expect to get a delivery for £20 (or whatever) because they don't want to cook for themselves, yet won't even acknowledge the fact that someone ELSE has to work or NOT get a government subsidy...

WHY can't they cough up even a pound or two to at least say thanks?

Twats abound, it seems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

So why should food delivery workers expect tips?? They're being classed as an essential service aswell I believe during this period as a lot of people are in a position where they struggle to get out to get food like they normally would and find it easier/ safer to have food delivered to them at home. Maybe they're under financial strain thenselves so unable to offer tips? I always thought tips were an optional bonus and not automatically expected

Because, like ALL Key Workers, they are not allowed to simply leave their jobs and get help from the government. YET--they are expected to risk getting this virus or pass it on.

If someone is lazy enough to expect to get a delivery for £20 (or whatever) because they don't want to cook for themselves, yet won't even acknowledge the fact that someone ELSE has to work or NOT get a government subsidy...

WHY can't they cough up even a pound or two to at least say thanks?

Twats abound, it seems. "

It would seem so....

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By *atBottomGirls OP   Woman
over a year ago

St Austell-ish


"

Twats abound, it seems.

It would seem so...."

Indeed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

So why should food delivery workers expect tips?? They're being classed as an essential service aswell I believe during this period as a lot of people are in a position where they struggle to get out to get food like they normally would and find it easier/ safer to have food delivered to them at home. Maybe they're under financial strain thenselves so unable to offer tips? I always thought tips were an optional bonus and not automatically expected

Because, like ALL Key Workers, they are not allowed to simply leave their jobs and get help from the government. YET--they are expected to risk getting this virus or pass it on.

If someone is lazy enough to expect to get a delivery for £20 (or whatever) because they don't want to cook for themselves, yet won't even acknowledge the fact that someone ELSE has to work or NOT get a government subsidy...

WHY can't they cough up even a pound or two to at least say thanks?

Twats abound, it seems. "

Because they have already paid £20 or whatever for the food and the delivery that’s the deal

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By *inky SpiceWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

And you OP, are you giving tips to everyone, to the person on the checkout at the grocery store or the delivery driver from the the store, or the guys who empty your bins, or any number of others who work on low wages and are obliged to continue to work at the moment? Now I appreciate you're stressed that he is working still but he's far from alone and we're all bloody stressed right now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

So why should food delivery workers expect tips?? They're being classed as an essential service aswell I believe during this period as a lot of people are in a position where they struggle to get out to get food like they normally would and find it easier/ safer to have food delivered to them at home. Maybe they're under financial strain thenselves so unable to offer tips? I always thought tips were an optional bonus and not automatically expected

Because, like ALL Key Workers, they are not allowed to simply leave their jobs and get help from the government. YET--they are expected to risk getting this virus or pass it on.

If someone is lazy enough to expect to get a delivery for £20 (or whatever) because they don't want to cook for themselves, yet won't even acknowledge the fact that someone ELSE has to work or NOT get a government subsidy...

WHY can't they cough up even a pound or two to at least say thanks?

Twats abound, it seems. "

‘Twats abound’... When/if I decide after a 48 hour shift I’m too tired to cook and ‘choose’ to order a delivery because clearly I’m lazy... I’ll say ‘Thank you’ to the delivery driver who absolutely appreciates that!

Manners ‘cost nothing’ and most people appreciate manners. Just the odd ignorant twat that doesn’t!

Minimum wage! Young people’s residential care.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a key worker on a low wage. I can't keep 2 metres away from others while working. I am at high risk for being very ill if i catch the virus but i have no choice about doing my job, i need the wage to pay my bills.

I don't recieve tips, i get a wage for doing my job. Why should i give a tip to someone who also gets a wage ?

Also most places have gone contactless to avoid the risk of handling money and prevent the passing on of the virus.

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

You are showing a distinct lack of understanding of what a frontline/key worker is. To be comparing your partner to one who is leaving merely leaving a chicken curry on someone's doorstep and begging for bigger tips shows a severe lack of understanding and appreciation of what folk are actually out there doing, none of whom receive tips I hasten to add. To view this as an opportunity to beg a few extra quid out of folk shows a severe lack of class.

Quote frankly you should be ashamed of yourself.

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

PS,how would a tip lessen this apparent risk to you and your family?

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By *unloversCouple
over a year ago

rotherham

Quite a few of us are still out there working and putting ourselves at risk but I wouldn’t dream of expecting tips for what I do

Everyone is struggling right now so we all need to pull together and understand that

I personally don’t order takeaways at this moment in time

Nothing else to add

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By *himp_KittenCouple
over a year ago

Preston

Half the country are "key workers" by the government's classification. Its certainly no disrespect to your other half but a key worker he is not.. do you tip the dpd, or amazon delivery workers? I can assure you they're making just as many deliveries, having to collect from a warehouse full of other workers, and have no option but to deliver non essential items we're all still ordering.

I applaud him for continuing to work but we all need to have some perspective.

I have to go out to work every day too, no choice in the matter, and its safe to say I cant stand the thought of catching a virus and bringing it home to my family either.

Genuinely hope you're both safe, appreciate him still working in these tough times but please understand hes like millions out there working still for nothing more than increased health risks.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

Most of us haven't chosen not to go out to work. We aren't allowed to.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent


"I'd give him a tenna to bring me a dominos now

"

Make mine a curry. And these guys are delivering to people like teachers getting 80% of their pay (still more than the delivery drivers) for sitting watching Netflix!

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent


"Most of us haven't chosen not to go out to work. We aren't allowed to. "

How many of those being awarded 80% of their pay have applied to work in care homes whilst they're off?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Farm workers doing essential work in the fields at the start of the production chain are typically in minimum wage.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

I do hope next time you go into a shop, visit the surgery, see a food delivery at a shop, get food that's produced by a farm, get petrol, contact the police, fire or ambulance service etc, you will be tipping these other key workers yourself as well OP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When was the last time you tipped a checkout cashier or those filling the shelves in a supermarket.

Or when was the last time you ever gave a tip to a cleaner

Most takeaway deliveries now cost around £2 so the service has been paid for.

Tipping is an american culture which allows businesses to underpay their staff. It should not be part of this countries wage structure or culture.

And ive not ordered any takeaways during the lockdown as it seams an unnecessary risk. You've no idea whats happened to that food before you get it and its not like your cooking it again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Most of us haven't chosen not to go out to work. We aren't allowed to.

How many of those being awarded 80% of their pay have applied to work in care homes whilst they're off? "

Fuck, the people who have been furloughed haven't exactly chosen to be. I am sure most would far rather be at work earning 100% of their wages

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

The issue is with employer NOT customer. Go and argue your pay with them and not bring your problems to my door step. I pay for a delivery (extra usually) and I've paid over the odds already as that food has cost a hell off a lot more than it would be to make, it's the convenience I'm paying for. So bring my delivery, expect no tip cos you ain't getting one and thanks for doing your job. Whether I'm lazy or not is none of ya damn business.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Most of us haven't chosen not to go out to work. We aren't allowed to.

How many of those being awarded 80% of their pay have applied to work in care homes whilst they're off? "

They are off work to prevent the spread so going to work somewhere else defeats the object, and I’m pretty sure teachers deserve to be paid more then delivery drivers

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By *elloIntrigueMan
over a year ago

North West UK

I think this highlights our low wage economy more than whether its right or not to tip. Pay for care giving should be more, delivery drivers should be paid more, kitchen workers and production operatives should all be paid more than they are currently.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I have to order over a certain amount to get delivery or pay extra for my village.

I am still working and I have my regular salary but I’m already paying over the odds. I’m not tipping someone when I have paid them an additional tenner to drive out to me and dump it on my drive.

I tip and I tip well but not in these situations.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent


"Most of us haven't chosen not to go out to work. We aren't allowed to.

How many of those being awarded 80% of their pay have applied to work in care homes whilst they're off?

They are off work to prevent the spread so going to work somewhere else defeats the object, and I’m pretty sure teachers deserve to be paid more then delivery drivers "

Ah, good old social class. A truly British post. But care homes are crying out for staff to care for the elderly in these times. Some of the elderly in there perhaps even being the parents or grandparents of teachers.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Too many low skilled people earning minimum wage in all sectors that’s the problem because once working class people get a few quid they turn against the poor and vote Tory. You get what you vote for.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"Most of us haven't chosen not to go out to work. We aren't allowed to.

How many of those being awarded 80% of their pay have applied to work in care homes whilst they're off? "

None I hope. Furloghed workers aren't allowed to seek secondary employment.

They can volunteer should they wish to.

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By *elloIntrigueMan
over a year ago

North West UK


"Too many low skilled people earning minimum wage in all sectors that’s the problem because once working class people get a few quid they turn against the poor and vote Tory. You get what you vote for. "

I agree with this post.

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By *mberWoman
over a year ago

Preston


"I'd give him a tenna to bring me a dominos now

Make mine a curry. And these guys are delivering to people like teachers getting 80% of their pay (still more than the delivery drivers) for sitting watching Netflix! "

Really? Really? Is that what teachers are doing? Or in reality are they.....

working to make sure the students have everything they need,

ringing vulnerable families to make sure they are OK,

shopping for students because they can't get out because they're self isolating,

taking part in webinars to support students who are worried about grades and what will happen next year,

Talking to other teachers to ensure a cohesive plan is formed,

Planning a fuck tonne of stuff for next year when we have to catch up on lots of missed classroom time,

Planning trips for when this is all done,

Marking work and essays for students with important deadlines,

Supporting families of key workers by opening schools,

Doing online courses to improve skills and practice,

Providing online training to upskill colleagues.

Plus shopping for 6 vulnerable people in my village and being an NHS volunteer.

Because last time I checked, that was my week. I've watched TV for 5 hours in total in the last 10 days. So before you start calling teachers (as is often what people do) you might want to check the facts out.

Plus I'm getting paid full pay and I bloody well deserve it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Most of us haven't chosen not to go out to work. We aren't allowed to.

How many of those being awarded 80% of their pay have applied to work in care homes whilst they're off?

They are off work to prevent the spread so going to work somewhere else defeats the object, and I’m pretty sure teachers deserve to be paid more then delivery drivers

Ah, good old social class. A truly British post. But care homes are crying out for staff to care for the elderly in these times. Some of the elderly in there perhaps even being the parents or grandparents of teachers. "

Do you honestly think delivery drivers should be paid the same as teachers?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Too many low skilled people earning minimum wage in all sectors that’s the problem because once working class people get a few quid they turn against the poor and vote Tory. You get what you vote for. "

Not entirely sure what point your making...

Working class people with a few quid? High % of the population then

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent


"Most of us haven't chosen not to go out to work. We aren't allowed to.

How many of those being awarded 80% of their pay have applied to work in care homes whilst they're off?

They are off work to prevent the spread so going to work somewhere else defeats the object, and I’m pretty sure teachers deserve to be paid more then delivery drivers

Ah, good old social class. A truly British post. But care homes are crying out for staff to care for the elderly in these times. Some of the elderly in there perhaps even being the parents or grandparents of teachers.

Do you honestly think delivery drivers should be paid the same as teachers? "

Have I said that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Delivering a pizza or wiping the arse of a patient with an infectious illness....probably same hourly rate.

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By *assy211279Woman
over a year ago

middle of nowhere Cornwall

Has anyone realised that the only people working other than dr are low paid for what they do. People should realise that the pay system is wrong. Rather than having minimum wage they should just close the gag pay management the same as bottom wage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I assume your fast food delivery partner is above board, all goes through hmrc and it isn’t just cash in hand?!

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"Too many low skilled people earning minimum wage in all sectors that’s the problem because once working class people get a few quid they turn against the poor and vote Tory. You get what you vote for.

Not entirely sure what point your making...

Working class people with a few quid? High % of the population then "

The point being the economy is exactly how the government want it , huge numbers of of unskilled people without any protection, on min wage fetching pizzas and wiping people’s arses, instead of on benefits or robbing houses.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent


"Most of us haven't chosen not to go out to work. We aren't allowed to.

How many of those being awarded 80% of their pay have applied to work in care homes whilst they're off?

None I hope. Furloghed workers aren't allowed to seek secondary employment.

They can volunteer should they wish to. "

Where's IDS?

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By *mberWoman
over a year ago

Preston


"Has anyone realised that the only people working other than dr are low paid for what they do. People should realise that the pay system is wrong. Rather than having minimum wage they should just close the gag pay management the same as bottom wage. "

Great idea, and thus take away any reason to go to university and get into debt. I'm fairly sure that if you got paid the same for delivering pizza and you did for running a school then many people would choose the less stressful option.

I can't see any flaws in this plan.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent


"Has anyone realised that the only people working other than dr are low paid for what they do. People should realise that the pay system is wrong. Rather than having minimum wage they should just close the gag pay management the same as bottom wage.

Great idea, and thus take away any reason to go to university and get into debt. I'm fairly sure that if you got paid the same for delivering pizza and you did for running a school then many people would choose the less stressful option.

I can't see any flaws in this plan."

Headmaster or care worker how many will reject the shallow meaningless trappings of a failing bankrupt consumer capitalist system AC?

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk


"Has anyone realised that the only people working other than dr are low paid for what they do. People should realise that the pay system is wrong. Rather than having minimum wage they should just close the gag pay management the same as bottom wage.

Great idea, and thus take away any reason to go to university and get into debt. I'm fairly sure that if you got paid the same for delivering pizza and you did for running a school then many people would choose the less stressful option.

I can't see any flaws in this plan.

Headmaster or care worker how many will reject the shallow meaningless trappings of a failing bankrupt consumer capitalist system AC? "

Because it's a choice.

What do you do for a living?

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent


"Has anyone realised that the only people working other than dr are low paid for what they do. People should realise that the pay system is wrong. Rather than having minimum wage they should just close the gag pay management the same as bottom wage.

Great idea, and thus take away any reason to go to university and get into debt. I'm fairly sure that if you got paid the same for delivering pizza and you did for running a school then many people would choose the less stressful option.

I can't see any flaws in this plan.

Headmaster or care worker how many will reject the shallow meaningless trappings of a failing bankrupt consumer capitalist system AC?

Because it's a choice.

What do you do for a living?"

What's that got to do with anything?

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By *etLikeMan
over a year ago

most fundamental aspects

I’m seeing a lot of parallels in this thread with 1914 attitudes. Women weren’t that useful and the lower classes were expendable cannon fodder. Then we came out the other side of WW1 and the contribution of the oft dismissed became clear.

The paradox of course, is the tipping. People doing a job should be paid a fair wage for what they do.

Problem then emerges (skipping a few rather momentous decades along the way) of people demanding higher and higher pay rates. Look at the British car industry of the 70s.

Then we get globalisation (with significant exploitation in other countries) and we say how terrible sweat shops are, whilst gleefully wearing something cheap from Primark.

Then we get this and a lot of people blame different countries and cultures, on devices manufactured in those countries.

One section of key workers then claims that they’re more important than another. Appreciation is given disproportionately to one group than another and then that other group feels undervalued.

Then someone makes a plea to show a little appreciation to their group and gets hammered in an online forum.

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk


"Has anyone realised that the only people working other than dr are low paid for what they do. People should realise that the pay system is wrong. Rather than having minimum wage they should just close the gag pay management the same as bottom wage.

Great idea, and thus take away any reason to go to university and get into debt. I'm fairly sure that if you got paid the same for delivering pizza and you did for running a school then many people would choose the less stressful option.

I can't see any flaws in this plan.

Headmaster or care worker how many will reject the shallow meaningless trappings of a failing bankrupt consumer capitalist system AC?

Because it's a choice.

What do you do for a living?

What's that got to do with anything? "

Your having a rant because folks are getting paid for supposedly sitting watching netflix when they could be volunteering.

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By *uttonstudMan
over a year ago

leek

I think you forget if we all make our own food then ur partner wont have a job and if he is after more money because of the extra work he has to do then he needs to ask his boss and most take away drivers get paid in cash and not on the books

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Half the country are "key workers" by the government's classification. Its certainly no disrespect to your other half but a key worker he is not.. do you tip the dpd, or amazon delivery workers? I can assure you they're making just as many deliveries, having to collect from a warehouse full of other workers, and have no option but to deliver non essential items we're all still ordering.

I applaud him for continuing to work but we all need to have some perspective.

I have to go out to work every day too, no choice in the matter, and its safe to say I cant stand the thought of catching a virus and bringing it home to my family either.

Genuinely hope you're both safe, appreciate him still working in these tough times but please understand hes like millions out there working still for nothing more than increased health risks."

I fall into one of the delivery companies you mention above and currently delivering to around 180-190 properties a day.

I'd never dream of asking for a tip, I get paid to work, and this is my job.

I'm also quite proud to be doing it as I understand alot of people are stuck inside and need these products delivered.

Tips are not needed, your paid a wage to do the job.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"Most of us haven't chosen not to go out to work. We aren't allowed to.

How many of those being awarded 80% of their pay have applied to work in care homes whilst they're off? "

There aren't any local jobs in care homes where I am and to do community care you must have a car, which I don't currently have, and due to not being able to afford one in my current financial situation this won't be for quite a while. Yes, I am a fully qualified care worker and was a community care worker for over 3 years, I stopped doing this as it was having a detrimental affect to my own health. Have you applied to do this job yourself then? Not everything is black and white.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And you OP, are you giving tips to everyone, to the person on the checkout at the grocery store or the delivery driver from the the store, or the guys who empty your bins, or any number of others who work on low wages and are obliged to continue to work at the moment? Now I appreciate you're stressed that he is working still but he's far from alone and we're all bloody stressed right now. "

I agree. There are people who are front line workers who never have thought they would have to be in a national emergency. Police / hospital / army - yes those roles clearly carry more risk and in the ctisis we are in, are obvious roles. Stiil very much appracuated and not to be taken for granted.

I work in a homeless hostel. We have to be at work as well, along with other support / care staff in other residential places.

Takeaways are not really essential. Owners of those businesses are seeing an increase in business which is great for them but it isn't essential. I don't get tips and I support those that I know have symptoms who don't always follow the rules. I don't want tips BTW. It wouldnt be ethical.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent


"Most of us haven't chosen not to go out to work. We aren't allowed to.

How many of those being awarded 80% of their pay have applied to work in care homes whilst they're off?

There aren't any local jobs in care homes where I am and to do community care you must have a car, which I don't currently have, and due to not being able to afford one in my current financial situation this won't be for quite a while. Yes, I am a fully qualified care worker and was a community care worker for over 3 years, I stopped doing this as it was having a detrimental affect to my own health. Have you applied to do this job yourself then? Not everything is black and white. "

I'm still working f/t and just as it's been for years have my disabled son with me all the time I'm not working and he isn't at school - which he isn't ATM, of course.

Yes. I did community care work too: for the council at weekends when I was at uni.

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By *mberWoman
over a year ago

Preston


"Most of us haven't chosen not to go out to work. We aren't allowed to.

How many of those being awarded 80% of their pay have applied to work in care homes whilst they're off?

There aren't any local jobs in care homes where I am and to do community care you must have a car, which I don't currently have, and due to not being able to afford one in my current financial situation this won't be for quite a while. Yes, I am a fully qualified care worker and was a community care worker for over 3 years, I stopped doing this as it was having a detrimental affect to my own health. Have you applied to do this job yourself then? Not everything is black and white.

I'm still working f/t and just as it's been for years have my disabled son with me all the time I'm not working and he isn't at school - which he isn't ATM, of course.

Yes. I did community care work too: for the council at weekends when I was at uni. "

I love that you totally ignored my response to your "teachers are just watching Netflix" comment!

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"Your asking for tips,some of the people asking for delivery,are vulnerable,out of work,on ssp or furlong so why are they going to give tips when they can hardly afford the food they just brought

It's not out of laziness some people are using delivery services

And it's not those who are vulnerable that I'm speaking to, either.

Would YOU risk your health or those you live with for minimum wage?

Is all I ask.

"

Lots of people are. Personally I don't class delivering takeaways as a key worker. I also don't think they should expect a tip

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"Your asking for tips,some of the people asking for delivery,are vulnerable,out of work,on ssp or furlong so why are they going to give tips when they can hardly afford the food they just brought

"

Surely if they didn't have enough money they wouldn't be buying takeaways, not that I think they should be made to give a tip to the person delivering it

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By *bsolutebeginnersCouple
over a year ago

Planet Ork

You’re not really putting yourself in danger by leaving a pizza or curry on someone’s doorstep. It’s really not what many would regard as an essential service either so you’re quite lucky that the business is still going and that you are still employed. Hubby is currently off work on 80% of his salary but we are still having to pay 100% of the bills. Myself, I’m still at work but I can’t ask for tips as it would be unethical while I’m trying to ventilate the patients that are arriving with more and more frequency. People are dying out there. For most of you it’s just a statistic in the news updates, for some of us it’s much too real. We are all in this together and we are all playing a part to help and for some of you the biggest sacrifice you can make for the cause is to stay at home and help to slow the number of infections down. Please stay safe, try to be kind and considerate to each other and be thankful for what you have.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"You’re not really putting yourself in danger by leaving a pizza or curry on someone’s doorstep. It’s really not what many would regard as an essential service either so you’re quite lucky that the business is still going and that you are still employed. Hubby is currently off work on 80% of his salary but we are still having to pay 100% of the bills. Myself, I’m still at work but I can’t ask for tips as it would be unethical while I’m trying to ventilate the patients that are arriving with more and more frequency. People are dying out there. For most of you it’s just a statistic in the news updates, for some of us it’s much too real. We are all in this together and we are all playing a part to help and for some of you the biggest sacrifice you can make for the cause is to stay at home and help to slow the number of infections down. Please stay safe, try to be kind and considerate to each other and be thankful for what you have."

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By *edGMan
over a year ago

Daventry

This is a very emotive subject at a very stressful time foe everyone. However perhaps it would be best to recognise this is a swingers site to enable like minded people to have fun/chat and so on.

Let's not use it as a platform to voice our issues/opinions on what and or who is right and wrong about a sad and bad situation.

Just a thought, I know perhaps not everyone will agree and that's ok. We can all think what we want.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"This is a very emotive subject at a very stressful time foe everyone. However perhaps it would be best to recognise this is a swingers site to enable like minded people to have fun/chat and so on.

Let's not use it as a platform to voice our issues/opinions on what and or who is right and wrong about a sad and bad situation.

Just a thought, I know perhaps not everyone will agree and that's ok. We can all think what we want.

"

It is a forum for anything virus related, set up by admin so as not to clog up the other forums and thus easily avoided

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"I'd give him a tenna to bring me a dominos now

Make mine a curry. And these guys are delivering to people like teachers getting 80% of their pay (still more than the delivery drivers) for sitting watching Netflix! "

I work in education and we're teaching from home by video link, so wind your neck back in. People who have been furloughed through no fault of their own may volunteer but because they are still employed by their regular employer, I doubt they can take other paid work in care without their employer's approval. We can't even volunteer without permission.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have never had food delivery in my life, I get off my ass and go get my food

maybe food delivery is part of city life, who knows?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s the prerogative of the owner of your partners business whether he remains open or not. Some takeaways have decided to close, others are remaining open. If they are doing such a high multiple of deliveries then his profits must have multiplied similarly. Perhaps your partner would be better off raising the issue of his low wage coupled with increased work load & higher risk to his employer. I think any good business owner would offer an improved rate during what, for him, is a boom time.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

Where I give a tip or not depends on the service I received

I'm sure most people are the same

I've even tipped a m_mber of staff in B&Q

I never ever ever tip someome who just does what they are paid for regardless if it's a restaurant, or a shop

And how many people tip the postman or the delivery driver except maybe Christmas ?

And in case the op has missed what's been happening the last few weeks, everybody is being urged to avoid using cash to help stop spread of the virus so giving them a tip would put them at a very high risk of bringing the virus back to you

Hope this helps

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nice to see some teachers do it for the money tho.

What about the respect you get for being a teacher.

Im not a cleaner but i do know they often have to clean excrement and other bodily fluids from walls in bathrooms for minimum wage.

Give me the debt of going to university as opposed to cleaning up after an disgruntled employee has smeared a used tampon around the place.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Nice to see some teachers do it for the money tho.

What about the respect you get for being a teacher.

Im not a cleaner but i do know they often have to clean excrement and other bodily fluids from walls in bathrooms for minimum wage.

Give me the debt of going to university as opposed to cleaning up after an disgruntled employee has smeared a used tampon around the place."

Eh? Teachers do it for the money? I got sent home on 19th March without a choice and instructed to work from home. So I did, and I am. My employer is not furloughing anyone, so my choice is work for my wage or take unpaid leave if I don't want to teach from home? I'm doing it with symptoms of Covid-19 with a bloody 3yo at home the whole time.

What's all this divide and conquer BS coming out?! Why pick on one profession?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

£9ph doing Tesco's bouncing ,no health and safety from the company , people buying shite acting like it's summer hols ,lottery fags and booze Q's at the customer service kiosks and staff not wearing gloves and masks .. that's what I've seen so took a few weeks off as £450 a week don't seem worth it for 7 days work in a crisis

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By *fweonlymeettwiceMan
over a year ago

Madrid

I have not read all the forum comments about this but may I make a suggestion, if you do order a take away and want to TIP the delivery person why not get a bowl of hot soapy water and place your TIP in the bowl near the door step and tell the delivery person about it, weather it be coins or notes my understanding is that should be ok to do so. STAY SAFE & TAKE CARE

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk


"Nice to see some teachers do it for the money tho.

What about the respect you get for being a teacher.

Im not a cleaner but i do know they often have to clean excrement and other bodily fluids from walls in bathrooms for minimum wage.

Give me the debt of going to university as opposed to cleaning up after an disgruntled employee has smeared a used tampon around the place."

What's stopped you previously then?

Blaming other people for your life choices.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

I love my teaching job. I'm getting messages from students I taught 6+ years ago, asking if I'm OK because they know I have Covid-19 symptoms. The messages are from all over the world. Bloody love my job and my students, past and present.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"£9ph doing Tesco's bouncing ,no health and safety from the company , people buying shite acting like it's summer hols ,lottery fags and booze Q's at the customer service kiosks and staff not wearing gloves and masks .. that's what I've seen so took a few weeks off as £450 a week don't seem worth it for 7 days work in a crisis "

I'm sure there's a lot of people would take the job you don't like especially at the moment. Why not do someone a favour and quit

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By *aastyKnixWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool


"We all know that those in health care are key workers. But--so are all those who get our food to us.

How many people realize they are generally paid the lowest hourly wage possible?

I am, specifically, talking here about people who deliver your takeaways. Yes, it's a comfort to know that we can get food from anywhere in a short time, and these days, contactless delivery is the norm. BUT--even without handing food over directly, do you stop to realize that these people are still putting their lives (or that of their families) in danger, by using public transport to get to/from work, and working in VERY close proximity to others in the kitchens (much less dealing with the customers who insist on greeting at the door and taking food in hand?).

My partner is a delivery guy. Sales since the lockdown are DOUBLE what they were a year ago at this time. He generally does 20-30 deliveries per shift. For minimum wage. Tips are non existent right now, due to it all going cashless. Yet--he's risking this virus (and passing it on to the family we live with--who have underlying conditions, and very high risk).

For minimum wage.

Next time you order in, TIP. Does a few quid make or break you? (if it does, you might want to seriously consider making your own food--shop for yourselves). If not, rem_mber---delivery people are doing what you choose not to do--be out there and bring you food.

A few quid help."

If we add a tip to the card payment, does the delivery person get it? Or does the company keep it?

It might be an idea for delivery people to carry a small plastic bag,into which we can drop a couple of pound coins and no one has to touch the cash.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work for an online company , when all this madness started, orders went through the roof , so they started a night shift, I was put onto this ( not by choice) work has become mega stressful, but it’s a job which I’m lucky to have ,on just above minimum wage , we don’t get tips, we just get on doing what we’re paid to do .

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"I work for an online company , when all this madness started, orders went through the roof , so they started a night shift, I was put onto this ( not by choice) work has become mega stressful, but it’s a job which I’m lucky to have ,on just above minimum wage , we don’t get tips, we just get on doing what we’re paid to do . "

And your job is valued, very much so. People like me, stuck at home with Covid-19 symptoms, need online deliveries. So we are very pleased to have that sort of option to get our essentials. We haven't bought anything non essential recently at all. Everything has either been groceries or things to work from home.

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By *ky19Man
over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel


"...

How many people realize they are generally paid the lowest hourly wage possible?...

For minimum wage.

Next time you order in, TIP. Does a few quid make or break you? (if it does, you might want to seriously consider making your own food--shop for yourselves). If not, rem_mber---delivery people are doing what you choose not to do--be out there and bring you food.

A few quid help."

Thank you so much for this.

I've done this job and know people in the job. I'm not sure they're getting any hazard pay whatsoever and I think many people don't give a thought to what you described above.

It's probably possible to give a tip if precautions are taken. Maybe wash coins and stick them in a little envelope or something lol.

I would.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We all know that those in health care are key workers. But--so are all those who get our food to us.

How many people realize they are generally paid the lowest hourly wage possible?

I am, specifically, talking here about people who deliver your takeaways. Yes, it's a comfort to know that we can get food from anywhere in a short time, and these days, contactless delivery is the norm. BUT--even without handing food over directly, do you stop to realize that these people are still putting their lives (or that of their families) in danger, by using public transport to get to/from work, and working in VERY close proximity to others in the kitchens (much less dealing with the customers who insist on greeting at the door and taking food in hand?).

My partner is a delivery guy. Sales since the lockdown are DOUBLE what they were a year ago at this time. He generally does 20-30 deliveries per shift. For minimum wage. Tips are non existent right now, due to it all going cashless. Yet--he's risking this virus (and passing it on to the family we live with--who have underlying conditions, and very high risk).

For minimum wage.

Next time you order in, TIP. Does a few quid make or break you? (if it does, you might want to seriously consider making your own food--shop for yourselves). If not, rem_mber---delivery people are doing what you choose not to do--be out there and bring you food.

A few quid help."

The minimum wage should be more than what it is full stop, corona virus or not. Thats one thing I've learned from being self employed. How much bosses actually rinse off their workers...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We all know that those in health care are key workers. But--so are all those who get our food to us.

How many people realize they are generally paid the lowest hourly wage possible?

I am, specifically, talking here about people who deliver your takeaways. Yes, it's a comfort to know that we can get food from anywhere in a short time, and these days, contactless delivery is the norm. BUT--even without handing food over directly, do you stop to realize that these people are still putting their lives (or that of their families) in danger, by using public transport to get to/from work, and working in VERY close proximity to others in the kitchens (much less dealing with the customers who insist on greeting at the door and taking food in hand?).

My partner is a delivery guy. Sales since the lockdown are DOUBLE what they were a year ago at this time. He generally does 20-30 deliveries per shift. For minimum wage. Tips are non existent right now, due to it all going cashless. Yet--he's risking this virus (and passing it on to the family we live with--who have underlying conditions, and very high risk).

For minimum wage.

Next time you order in, TIP. Does a few quid make or break you? (if it does, you might want to seriously consider making your own food--shop for yourselves). If not, rem_mber---delivery people are doing what you choose not to do--be out there and bring you food.

A few quid help.

The minimum wage should be more than what it is full stop, corona virus or not. Thats one thing I've learned from being self employed. How much bosses actually rinse off their workers..."

I'd just like to point out I dont rinse anyone, I work on my own....

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By *alking HeadMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Is a locksmith classed as a key worker?

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

Ive been waiting over an hour for a delivery. That's after a 12 hour shift working on a covid ward. They can kiss my probably infected ass if they think they're getting a tip.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nice to see some teachers do it for the money tho.

What about the respect you get for being a teacher.

Im not a cleaner but i do know they often have to clean excrement and other bodily fluids from walls in bathrooms for minimum wage.

Give me the debt of going to university as opposed to cleaning up after an disgruntled employee has smeared a used tampon around the place.

What's stopped you previously then?

Blaming other people for your life choices."

You obviously cant read.

I said im not a cleaner.

The situation mentioned happened in my workplace.

I am not on minimum wage but it doesnt mean i dont value to work done by those that are.

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk


"Nice to see some teachers do it for the money tho.

What about the respect you get for being a teacher.

Im not a cleaner but i do know they often have to clean excrement and other bodily fluids from walls in bathrooms for minimum wage.

Give me the debt of going to university as opposed to cleaning up after an disgruntled employee has smeared a used tampon around the place.

What's stopped you previously then?

Blaming other people for your life choices.

You obviously cant read.

I said im not a cleaner.

The situation mentioned happened in my workplace.

I am not on minimum wage but it doesnt mean i dont value to work done by those that are.

"

Can read fine mate.

You were the one having a pop at the woman that was teacher.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Ive been waiting over an hour for a delivery. That's after a 12 hour shift working on a covid ward. They can kiss my probably infected ass if they think they're getting a tip."

Maybe they were extremely busy.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Reading through this thread yesterday 1 thing struck me.

Instead of asking why a delivery driver needs tips to top up his meagre allowance or why a carer who is looking after the most vulnerable m_mbers of our society is on buttons we turn on each other.(why should you have that when I dont?)

A few people in the thread did raise it but whilst we scramble about for crumbs in a race to the bottom the rich use every trick in the book to evade paying tax and people who own fucking yachts and islands demand bailing out from the gmnt.

Still only ourselves to blame I suppose.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reading through this thread yesterday 1 thing struck me.

Instead of asking why a delivery driver needs tips to top up his meagre allowance or why a carer who is looking after the most vulnerable m_mbers of our society is on buttons we turn on each other.(why should you have that when I dont?)

A few people in the thread did raise it but whilst we scramble about for crumbs in a race to the bottom the rich use every trick in the book to evade paying tax and people who own fucking yachts and islands demand bailing out from the gmnt.

Still only ourselves to blame I suppose."

What are you, some kinda crazy Marxist?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

So why should food delivery workers expect tips?? They're being classed as an essential service aswell I believe during this period as a lot of people are in a position where they struggle to get out to get food like they normally would and find it easier/ safer to have food delivered to them at home. Maybe they're under financial strain thenselves so unable to offer tips? I always thought tips were an optional bonus and not automatically expected

Because, like ALL Key Workers, they are not allowed to simply leave their jobs and get help from the government. YET--they are expected to risk getting this virus or pass it on.

If someone is lazy enough to expect to get a delivery for £20 (or whatever) because they don't want to cook for themselves, yet won't even acknowledge the fact that someone ELSE has to work or NOT get a government subsidy...

WHY can't they cough up even a pound or two to at least say thanks?

Twats abound, it seems.

‘Twats abound’... When/if I decide after a 48 hour shift I’m too tired to cook and ‘choose’ to order a delivery because clearly I’m lazy... I’ll say ‘Thank you’ to the delivery driver who absolutely appreciates that!

Manners ‘cost nothing’ and most people appreciate manners. Just the odd ignorant twat that doesn’t!

Minimum wage! Young people’s residential care."

Exactly what I do! I’m on a two day off after pulling 3 x 24 hour shifts. On my way home from work a journey of 2 hours I collected medication for a family m_mber in isolation. Went on to Tesco to buy 2 weeks food for those same family m_mbers incase I get stuck at work.

I drove through town to my home and see people on the streets, not practicing social distancing, groups of young adults.

If I contract this virus from one of those idiots it has huge implications not only a massive risk to those around me but to my home. I would get ssp!

Where are my tips for risking myself each day, my tips for risking work colleagues, service users and most importantly my family.

So no I won’t tip a delivery driver, but then I wouldn’t order food in either as a delivery driver is at high risk also.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I haven't read all the replies but find the OP message very naive.

A lot of NHS frontline staff are on or close to minimum wage from porters to HCAs to service assistants, cleaners etc etc.

Care home staff are also generally on basic wages too.

None of these professions get tips....

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate


"Ive been waiting over an hour for a delivery. That's after a 12 hour shift working on a covid ward. They can kiss my probably infected ass if they think they're getting a tip."

That's probably not the drivers fault.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"£9ph doing Tesco's bouncing ,no health and safety from the company , people buying shite acting like it's summer hols ,lottery fags and booze Q's at the customer service kiosks and staff not wearing gloves and masks .. that's what I've seen so took a few weeks off as £450 a week don't seem worth it for 7 days work in a crisis

I'm sure there's a lot of people would take the job you don't like especially at the moment. Why not do someone a favour and quit"

Yeah I don't need your advice I do what I want and jacked it in , they needed more guys after complaints about how the supermarkets were run .

I keep getting asked to go back but maybe you do it instead if your that desperate

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

You do realise that getting a tip from someone, is actually increasing the chances of catching the virus.

It lives on objects for 72 hours, so the tip money your partner gets might have the virus one it. He puts it in his pocket with bare hands, then takes the money out to give you some. Giving you and your family the virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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So why should food delivery workers expect tips?? They're being classed as an essential service aswell I believe during this period as a lot of people are in a position where they struggle to get out to get food like they normally would and find it easier/ safer to have food delivered to them at home. Maybe they're under financial strain thenselves so unable to offer tips? I always thought tips were an optional bonus and not automatically expected

Because, like ALL Key Workers, they are not allowed to simply leave their jobs and get help from the government. YET--they are expected to risk getting this virus or pass it on.

If someone is lazy enough to expect to get a delivery for £20 (or whatever) because they don't want to cook for themselves, yet won't even acknowledge the fact that someone ELSE has to work or NOT get a government subsidy...

WHY can't they cough up even a pound or two to at least say thanks?

Twats abound, it seems. "

If it wasn't for that lazy person, the delivery man wouldn't have a job.

If you are unhappy about your salary... find another job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Minimum wage was made law to help lift the lowest pay rates yet people still moan and complain about it..yes it's not the best but certainly better than nothing or universal credit..in the 2008 crash we went from over 100k a year to minimum wage salaries and had just worked back upto 2008 levels when this hit...we dont moan we get on and make the best of it...if you saw life in some other countries you would appreciate the one you have more..yes not everyone can rise up and get good salaries...but we can all try and improve and be thankful for what we have..been through 3 recessions and worked back up..looks like this will be the 4th...but hey we will survive even if we have to take minimum wage jobs for a spell we will be thankfull for the food and shelter we have..

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