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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

In september, those resident in Scotland (that's the piece of land in the UK north of England) will vote on whether Scotland should leave the United Kingdom and become independent or stay and be better together. Obama and Clinton have said we should stay together, but since America have just celebrated independence day have they got the right to hold this opinion?

Discuss!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

America had egregious reasons for severing their oppressive ties with England and stand as good partners rather than "colonies". I don't know enough about Scottish/English history and relations to have an opinion, other than Braveheart and Rob Roy movies. Presumably Obama and Clinton have a better grasp of the subject than I.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"America had egregious reasons for severing their oppressive ties with England and stand as good partners rather than "colonies". I don't know enough about Scottish/English history and relations to have an opinion, other than Braveheart and Rob Roy movies. Presumably Obama and Clinton have a better grasp of the subject than I."

They where filmed in Ireland,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In september, those resident in Scotland (that's the piece of land in the UK north of England) will vote on whether Scotland should leave the United Kingdom and become independent or stay and be better together. Obama and Clinton have said we should stay together, but since America have just celebrated independence day have they got the right to hold this opinion?

Discuss!"

Why ask this question here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm backing independence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another example of being misled by the movies!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Did you read the last sentence of the original post? That is why it is here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe the US might "help" Scotland gain independence......they have oil!!!!

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes

It'll be a Yes from me. Clinton and Obama should concentrate on their own country. As for ex pats/celebs who say its better being together, I ask them why are they not living here in that case? This is the most important historical decision for Scotland in centuries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What money would Scotland be using Spain will not want them in Europe and will block them

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes

Lets get through the vote first and take it from there!

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By *illbillMan
over a year ago

dublin

Scotland has the right to ask for national self determination...the act of union is outdated ..vote yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

bravehart, Hollywood never let the truth get in the way of a good story, think mr salmond is on an ego trip ,shut all them bases for the rn and say goodbuy to 1000s of jobs wtf

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By *illbillMan
over a year ago

dublin

No man has the right to fix a boundary to the March of a nation

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By *illbillMan
over a year ago

dublin


"Another example of being misled by the movies!"
where's the mis lead... The movie cchronicled the life of wWilliam Wallace and his bloody struggle against the brutal crown forces...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

unfortunately here in Scotland there always have been people who have seen their best interests in being ruled by the english from london instead of being governed by their own folk from their own country.If Scotland manages to gain its freedom from the cold dead hand of english rule then the next time that america fancies indulging in a fairly illegal war some place and and has one of its glove puppets in the english government fabricate a rather dodgy dossier supporting such an adventure , then Scotland will be able to say " fuck this "

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By *illbillMan
over a year ago

dublin


"unfortunately here in Scotland there always have been people who have seen their best interests in being ruled by the english from london instead of being governed by their own folk from their own country.If Scotland manages to gain its freedom from the cold dead hand of english rule then the next time that america fancies indulging in a fairly illegal war some place and and has one of its glove puppets in the english government fabricate a rather dodgy dossier supporting such an adventure , then Scotland will be able to say " fuck this " "

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By *etItSwing1991Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

YES !! I am backing yes campaign .

It is time for all scots to stand tall and start making our own decisions , no need for england (london) rule over us :

Scotland has never voted in tory goverments but we get fucking landed with them posh twats and i can confidently say that if north of england had the chance to become independant then i probably would , the concentration of money into london is fucking sickening . Poverty is spread all over the uk and london couldnt give a fuck tbh .

Scotland has oil , whisky , natural energy etc..... Plus we dont need to store nuclear weapons here that costs the government £3 billion pounds every 2-3 years !! Wtf.....

Vote yes

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By *illbillMan
over a year ago

dublin


"YES !! I am backing yes campaign .

It is time for all scots to stand tall and start making our own decisions , no need for england (london) rule over us :

Scotland has never voted in tory goverments but we get fucking landed with them posh twats and i can confidently say that if north of england had the chance to become independant then i probably would , the concentration of money into london is fucking sickening . Poverty is spread all over the uk and london couldnt give a fuck tbh .

Scotland has oil , whisky , natural energy etc..... Plus we dont need to store nuclear weapons here that costs the government £3 billion pounds every 2-3 years !! Wtf.....

Vote yes "
alba go brea

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes


"Another example of being misled by the movies!where's the mis lead... The movie cchronicled the life of wWilliam Wallace and his bloody struggle against the brutal crown forces... "

The film was very loosely based on Wallace and the Wars of Independence. Great film but historically not that accurate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mmmm it'll be very interesting if it's a yes vote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

YES YES YES FOR INDEPENDANCE!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A yes vote would be catastrophic for Scotland. The infrastructure for survival alone would collapse virtually within 12 months, not in Europe, no eu trade laws and free movement for citizens, tax laws and collection would need to be created and implemented, the currency would be weak and need to be a: created, b: put into circulation. Etc

I think Scotland should have the right to be independent, however I think it's many many years away and would need the whole support of Scotland to succeed.

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By *hybutnaughtyoneWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow


"A yes vote would be catastrophic for Scotland. The infrastructure for survival alone would collapse virtually within 12 months, not in Europe, no eu trade laws and free movement for citizens, tax laws and collection would need to be created and implemented, the currency would be weak and need to be a: created, b: put into circulation. Etc

I think Scotland should have the right to be independent, however I think it's many many years away and would need the whole support of Scotland to succeed."

What facts do you have to support your opinion? (this is not an attack btw)

I am still undecided on what way to vote ....there are so many grey areas!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A yes vote would be catastrophic for Scotland. The infrastructure for survival alone would collapse virtually within 12 months, not in Europe, no eu trade laws and free movement for citizens, tax laws and collection would need to be created and implemented, the currency would be weak and need to be a: created, b: put into circulation. Etc

I think Scotland should have the right to be independent, however I think it's many many years away and would need the whole support of Scotland to succeed.

What facts do you have to support your opinion? (this is not an attack btw)

I am still undecided on what way to vote ....there are so many grey areas!

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If you look at how the country stands now - unified by being in the uk and benefits from being within the eu, trade agreements, the strength of currency and the free market. Plus tax law Is established, infrastructure is in place for collection, distribution and funding to vital services. If the country becomes independent it loses all that, the currency will be new and follow the initial start of the euro. Applications will need to be made to join the EU and that takes time. Trade will slow down a little due to legislation and red tape.

Taxation will need to be sorted, collected and distributed to police, fire and hospital services. This all takes time. The time it takes could be disastrous

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By *ifes journeyCouple
over a year ago

scotland


"Lets get through the vote first and take it from there!"

That's the problem though... There are far too many questions asked where the snp answer is 'we will negotiate'

Negotiations can lead to several outcomes, not always the one that the snp think is best.

Far far too many unanswered questions that salmond just gives a curve ball answer too.

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes


"Lets get through the vote first and take it from there!

That's the problem though... There are far too many questions asked where the snp answer is 'we will negotiate'

Negotiations can lead to several outcomes, not always the one that the snp think is best.

Far far too many unanswered questions that salmond just gives a curve ball answer too. "

We are voting for Independence not for the SNP. All the information is out there if you are willing to look for it. I firmly believe we have it in us to go it alone for all the reasons the Yes campaign states, but I do understand the concerns of those who haven't decided it are in the No camp. The Scots have been complaining for centuries about being Independent. Time to take the opportunity to use that vote. What does worry me is what Westminster will have in store for us should it be a no vote.

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By *hybutnaughtyoneWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow


"A yes vote would be catastrophic for Scotland. The infrastructure for survival alone would collapse virtually within 12 months, not in Europe, no eu trade laws and free movement for citizens, tax laws and collection would need to be created and implemented, the currency would be weak and need to be a: created, b: put into circulation. Etc

I think Scotland should have the right to be independent, however I think it's many many years away and would need the whole support of Scotland to succeed.

What facts do you have to support your opinion? (this is not an attack btw)

I am still undecided on what way to vote ....there are so many grey areas!

If you look at how the country stands now - unified by being in the uk and benefits from being within the eu, trade agreements, the strength of currency and the free market. Plus tax law Is established, infrastructure is in place for collection, distribution and funding to vital services. If the country becomes independent it loses all that, the currency will be new and follow the initial start of the euro. Applications will need to be made to join the EU and that takes time. Trade will slow down a little due to legislation and red tape.

Taxation will need to be sorted, collected and distributed to police, fire and hospital services. This all takes time. The time it takes could be disastrous "

But none of the above are facts, just ifs buts and maybes. None of what you outlined has been settled yet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A yes vote would be catastrophic for Scotland. The infrastructure for survival alone would collapse virtually within 12 months, not in Europe, no eu trade laws and free movement for citizens, tax laws and collection would need to be created and implemented, the currency would be weak and need to be a: created, b: put into circulation. Etc

I think Scotland should have the right to be independent, however I think it's many many years away and would need the whole support of Scotland to succeed.

What facts do you have to support your opinion? (this is not an attack btw)

I am still undecided on what way to vote ....there are so many grey areas!

If you look at how the country stands now - unified by being in the uk and benefits from being within the eu, trade agreements, the strength of currency and the free market. Plus tax law Is established, infrastructure is in place for collection, distribution and funding to vital services. If the country becomes independent it loses all that, the currency will be new and follow the initial start of the euro. Applications will need to be made to join the EU and that takes time. Trade will slow down a little due to legislation and red tape.

Taxation will need to be sorted, collected and distributed to police, fire and hospital services. This all takes time. The time it takes could be disastrous

But none of the above are facts, just ifs buts and maybes. None of what you outlined has been settled yet.

"

That's the whole point, things like these should be planned before the vote takes place to give people an informed choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe the US might "help" Scotland gain independence......they have oil!!!! "

lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most people go on about the pound what right has England got to say the pound is theirs,the pound is British,we could still have a English pound and a Scottish pound just like American dollar Canadian dollar,they live next door to one another,as for the eu most people in the UK don't want to be in it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the Scots want independence then let them have it! Likewise the Welsh & the English. Currency who cares - we don't live there anymore.

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By *icolWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

If you read the treaty of Arbroath then you may understand why Scotland should be in control of its own decisions....it's fear of the unknown that scares people. This is a time to be strong and brave. We are a nation with 5 million people with resources to sustain our country. But make no mistake people must work harder

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gotta watch your bankers though! Look at the mess RBS & BANK OF SCOTLAND got into. That could cripple any new start. Good luck.

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