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By *ryanythingonce7274 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Berkshire

Woohhhh so I love to touch her tummy and she hates it. Now all I need to do it's, touch or kiss and she explodes! Don't know why but geez its a turn on for both of us.

Anyone else think the same!?

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By *wink loverMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

What is the question???

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By *ryanythingonce7274 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Berkshire

The bit with the ? Mark

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By *ildatheart6969Couple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

Is she pregnant?

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By *ntrigued32Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham

Yes, I hated D doing it. I would cover up if he touched it. But after years of me trying to love the skin I'm in, when D touches my tummy during sex and it makes me throb. Such a turn on for us both now.

Jo.Xx

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate

I'm a bit self conscious about mine, but have met and chatted to a few men who liked it very much

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By *eliWoman
over a year ago

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Yep, I adore it. I think it goes back to the self conscious thing; it's hot when they find all of my body a turn on and unashamedly touch me because of how much pleasure doing so brings them.

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

Hate my tummy area, to me it looks ugly. I dont have a problem with other women having mummy tummies, I dont even give them a second though. It's just my own I don't like.

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By *0something1965Man
over a year ago

Belfast

I adore mummy tummys! Theyre so tactile and yummy. HATE my dad...well, probably grandad....well, probably GREAT grandad bod!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hate my tummy area, to me it looks ugly. I dont have a problem with other women having mummy tummies, I dont even give them a second though. It's just my own I don't like."

I'm the same, but I'm getting better at caring less.

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By *ryanythingonce7274 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Berkshire

Absolutely the same X

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By *BoschMan
over a year ago

lincoln

Mum Tums are sexy af

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Woohhhh so I love to touch her tummy and she hates it. Now all I need to do it's, touch or kiss and she explodes! Don't know why but geez its a turn on for both of us.

Anyone else think the same!? "
I love mummy tummy the mrs has a one and I love grabbing, rubbing and spanking it.

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By *ent_couple2019Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Very slowly getting rid of mine.

But will never fully be the same as we all know.

I'm fine as long don't sit naked in front of a mirror.

Very mood dependant when touching

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By *ryanythingonce7274 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Berkshire

Spanking..may try that X

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By *viatrixWoman
over a year ago

Redhill

My husband has never been attracted to me or my body, so he would never stroke my tummy- more like recoil in horror lol...

My FWB and other FBs, though, caress it and kiss my mummy tummy, and tell me how amazing my body is despite having gestated and given birth to 3 children. Complete turn on.

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By *ryanythingonce7274 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Berkshire

As we've got older things change suddenly there is not one part of her body that's not a turn on for both of us if touched! Ears, feet, the obvious and now mum tum. She will hit the spot just by me kissing around her tummy. It just gets better and better

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By *TkitkatWoman
over a year ago

Staffordshire

It's taken me a long time to love the mum tum! Fab has helped a lot

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By *ntrigued32Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham

Love this thread.

Jo.Xx

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By *BoschMan
over a year ago

lincoln

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By *BoschMan
over a year ago

lincoln


"My husband has never been attracted to me or my body, so he would never stroke my tummy- more like recoil in horror lol...

My FWB and other FBs, though, caress it and kiss my mummy tummy, and tell me how amazing my body is despite having gestated and given birth to 3 children. Complete turn on. "

you have a very sexy body, would love to kiss all of it and certainly your sexy tummy

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By *heshireguy69Man
over a year ago

saddleworth

Love mum tums, love each and every mark and curve. Xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hate my tummy area, to me it looks ugly. I dont have a problem with other women having mummy tummies, I dont even give them a second though. It's just my own I don't like."

Yep, I think you speak for the vast majority of us. Which is sad because what a waste of our time to stress over something we have no control over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm a bit self conscious about mine, but have met and chatted to a few men who liked it very much "

Your stomach looks as magnificent as the rest of you - we both love it. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hate my tummy area, to me it looks ugly. I dont have a problem with other women having mummy tummies, I dont even give them a second though. It's just my own I don't like."

I’m exactly the same, although it’s becoming smaller and I’m hating it a little less. Think it stems from being told it made me look fat. Like fat is the worst thing I can be. I look at slim women and feel like I’m being judged as less attractive because of it now. But that’s their issue I guess, but they made it mine and that’s not right, so I’m working hard on loving me for me, no one else has to x

Viv x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've mentioned this a few times over the years.

I absolutely love a mummy tummy, especially with a stretch mark or two. Why? I honestly have no idea.

Is it maybe the suffering and strife they've gone through to reproduce? Is it because it's a sensual part of a woman? Is it a paternal thing because the womb is behind there?

I'll never know. But it's lovely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me a woman with a hanging tummy is at her most feminine. Slim flat women are far to boyish to turn me on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love a mummy tummy and tiger stripes are so sexy x

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By *reat me rightWoman
over a year ago

Rotherham

I have a mum tum, itll never be flat, heck itll never be owt other than Rubenesque (at best). I don't have enough of a problem with it to do anything about it and it doesn't affect my confidence in bed (other things do that) - because it carried my darling little girl, 8 years after I was told I'd never have a child. In my book, that's pretty amazing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hate my tummy area, to me it looks ugly. I dont have a problem with other women having mummy tummies, I dont even give them a second though. It's just my own I don't like.

I’m exactly the same, although it’s becoming smaller and I’m hating it a little less. Think it stems from being told it made me look fat. Like fat is the worst thing I can be. I look at slim women and feel like I’m being judged as less attractive because of it now. But that’s their issue I guess, but they made it mine and that’s not right, so I’m working hard on loving me for me, no one else has to x

Viv x"

I did meet a gorgeous woman who loves women’s tummy’s. She asked me to take my suspender belt off as it was hiding mine, felt a bit self conscious, but when she told me how sexy and gorgeous it made me it was such a confidence boost. Someone will like you for the flaws you think you have, and help you see that one person’s negative comments/behaviour shouldn’t matter- but we’re better at ignoring positive comments than negative x

Viv x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have a mum tum, itll never be flat, heck itll never be owt other than Rubenesque (at best). I don't have enough of a problem with it to do anything about it and it doesn't affect my confidence in bed (other things do that) - because it carried my darling little girl, 8 years after I was told I'd never have a child. In my book, that's pretty amazing."

It’s incredible hun x

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

Not really got a mum tum despite having 2 children. Not got a beer belly either despite drinking beer.

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By *reya73Woman
over a year ago

Whitley Bay

My mum tum is soft and squooshy and very sensitive to touch. I dislike it to look at but it feels so good to be kissed and stroked so I get over myself. I'm not losing out any sensual pleasure because of my judgement!

I have abs in there somewhere too!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My mum tum is soft and squooshy and very sensitive to touch. I dislike it to look at but it feels so good to be kissed and stroked so I get over myself. I'm not losing out any sensual pleasure because of my judgement!

I have abs in there somewhere too! "

The soft and squishy tums are the best! I love giving neck kisses while rubbing my hands down your body sensually running my fingers down her chest and tummy! Slowly kiss down teasing her nips and belly button with my tongue kissing her tummy before teasing her thighs

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By *ark ph0enixWoman
over a year ago

Teesside

I'm more likely to try to hide my tummy than my mastectomy scars

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By *eardedTattManMan
over a year ago

Elland

I love a mum tum. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with it, and it makes me sad that women think they need to cover it!

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By *ntrigued32Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham


"My mum tum is soft and squooshy and very sensitive to touch. I dislike it to look at but it feels so good to be kissed and stroked so I get over myself. I'm not losing out any sensual pleasure because of my judgement!

I have abs in there somewhere too! "

Jo.Xx

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

My mum would punch me if I even tried to get near her tummy , she’s ultra ticklish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Spanking..may try that X "
traythingonce7274 you should try spanking it and can we ask why you have blocked us?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm a bit self conscious about mine, but have met and chatted to a few men who liked it very much "

You look bloody amazing, I would love to have a tiny tummy like that!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Spanking..may try that X traythingonce7274 you should try spanking it and can we ask why you have blocked us?"

You can ask but as they blocked you they will not be able to see it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My ex hated hers but i gave it so much attention whilst pleasing her, she loved it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mummy tummies are sexy as hell.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mummy tummies are sexy as hell. "

You bet they are

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By *andy6677Man
over a year ago

crewe

Love mummy tummies shows they are mums and should be proud of them too x

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By *ryanythingonce7274 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Berkshire

Oh, not blocked intentionally but just been on the blocked this and can see them!?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ks conscious of her mum tum but it’s a huge turn on for me. Something special about touching kissing etc.

Others certainly seem to like it too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Erm nope

I can’t feel part of my tummy. It’s still numb.

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By *ryanythingonce7274 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Berkshire

I hated it and want to lose it but hubby started to touch and now I love it as much as my boobs and anything else. When his stubble tickles me and his lips kiss me it's sends me crazy lol

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Self conscious about my wobbly tummy here. Had my son when I was 16 and immediately developed a saggy apron at the bottom of my tummy. It'll never go away (docs confirmed it's a surgery jobbo) and even though it's been like that all my adult life, I still hate it. Fortunately, the 17yo S didn't care, he loves the whole me, including the saggy tummy, so that's all I need to know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've mentioned this a few times over the years.

I absolutely love a mummy tummy, especially with a stretch mark or two. Why? I honestly have no idea.

Is it maybe the suffering and strife they've gone through to reproduce? Is it because it's a sensual part of a woman? Is it a paternal thing because the womb is behind there?

I'll never know. But it's lovely. "

Awwww and your comment is lovely too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Erm nope

I can’t feel part of my tummy. It’s still numb. "

Your profiler is perfection x

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

Mummy tummy’s and stretch marks show a woman has lived. I love them to be honest but I know lots of sexy ladies who hate them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've mentioned this a few times over the years.

I absolutely love a mummy tummy, especially with a stretch mark or two. Why? I honestly have no idea.

Is it maybe the suffering and strife they've gone through to reproduce? Is it because it's a sensual part of a woman? Is it a paternal thing because the womb is behind there?

I'll never know. But it's lovely.

Awwww and your comment is lovely too "

I was just trying to describe how these tummies make me feel, it's difficult to get across. Horny I suppose! Lol xx

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By *reat me rightWoman
over a year ago

Rotherham


"I have a mum tum, itll never be flat, heck itll never be owt other than Rubenesque (at best). I don't have enough of a problem with it to do anything about it and it doesn't affect my confidence in bed (other things do that) - because it carried my darling little girl, 8 years after I was told I'd never have a child. In my book, that's pretty amazing.

It’s incredible hun x"

Why thank you xxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Round the mound is my favourite bit, she knows where your going next ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hear hear to that check our new pics out hope you like

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've a bit of a mum tum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love a mum tum!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not a bit that most ladies want objectified but it's part of the whole person and needs just the level of attention sought. And a kiss or three xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm very conscious of my tummy. It's the stretch marks. But hey take me as you find me!

I still like it being kissed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you can have more than 3 then

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By *om and JennieCouple
over a year ago

Chams or Socials

I hate mine. It’s huge & revolting - especially since my hysterectomy. I’m trying to lose weight but am grateful just to maintain at the moment

T isn’t bothered by it at all & would be happy if I just walked round in a thong & heels all day

J x

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By *onnnie72Man
over a year ago

west bromwich


"Self conscious about my wobbly tummy here. Had my son when I was 16 and immediately developed a saggy apron at the bottom of my tummy. It'll never go away (docs confirmed it's a surgery jobbo) and even though it's been like that all my adult life, I still hate it. Fortunately, the 17yo S didn't care, he loves the whole me, including the saggy tummy, so that's all I need to know "

I think i am in lust

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Self conscious about my wobbly tummy here. Had my son when I was 16 and immediately developed a saggy apron at the bottom of my tummy. It'll never go away (docs confirmed it's a surgery jobbo) and even though it's been like that all my adult life, I still hate it. Fortunately, the 17yo S didn't care, he loves the whole me, including the saggy tummy, so that's all I need to know

I think i am in lust "

Why, thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So many gorgeous women with gorgeous stomachs here. Wobbly bits, stretch marks and all the rest are beautiful, because they’re you. Love you all.

–Gx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mummy Tummys are amazing I mean the body has had to stretch in order for you to give life. If any man turns their nose up at it then that's the best thing for ya because they are vane fucks and wouldn't give a shit about you before themselves.

For everyone that's struggling wihh body confidence you will find that if you show it you will see how much people see how gorgeous you truly are

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By *win cherries99Woman
over a year ago

Sticks & Stones

So many beautiful positive thoughts. I was always so self conscious about my body especially the mum tum, now I don’t care. I can go to a nudist beach and get my kit off and walk with my head held high. I think I probably put it down to 2 major events in my life, firstly having had cancer and secondly after having cancer having the confidence to grab what I want, primarily dabbling in the swinging scene. It’s acceptance & loving yourself that’s important xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I drew the short straw with a mum tum, it really is 1 of the worst kind, I disguise it well in my lingerie, dresses and corsets but I know it is there.

Does this stop me getting naked?

Sometimes.

I have done naturist holidays and been nude in a club jacuzzi many times, but when it come to sex, I want to feel sexy, so always tend to keep atleast my 50s girdle and stockings on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I drew the short straw with a mum tum, it really is 1 of the worst kind, I disguise it well in my lingerie, dresses and corsets but I know it is there.

Does this stop me getting naked?

Sometimes.

I have done naturist holidays and been nude in a club jacuzzi many times, but when it come to sex, I want to feel sexy, so always tend to keep atleast my 50s girdle and stockings on "

Gotta admit though you have some sexy as fuck corsets xx

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By *eandshedorsetCouple
over a year ago

WAREHAM

I love the wife's mummy tummy and stretch marks. Feels so soft the skin and really turns me on. Unfortunately she hates it tho and always trys to cover her stomach

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By *g17Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

My gf hates hers but I really get turned on by it, something really attractive about it

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By *ookingandexploringCouple
over a year ago

Trowbridge

Mmmm we both like and enjoy a mummy tummy

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By *ryanythingonce7274 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Berkshire

Applause applause!

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By *lay 4 uMan
over a year ago

bolton

Mummy tummy on a guy it would be a beer belly lol .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Applause applause! "
would love to see your mummy tummy x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My mum tum is properly sensitive. If something brings me pleasure, then ill take that pleasure. It hasn't bothered me negatively in years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My mum tum is properly sensitive. If something brings me pleasure, then ill take that pleasure. It hasn't bothered me negatively in years. "

Love how sensitive gets a reaction

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've had 3 kids and very aware of my mum tum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This thread makes me so happy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have a mum tum, itll never be flat, heck itll never be owt other than Rubenesque (at best). I don't have enough of a problem with it to do anything about it and it doesn't affect my confidence in bed (other things do that) - because it carried my darling little girl, 8 years after I was told I'd never have a child. In my book, that's pretty amazing."

This, especially. That’s beautifully put and I totally agree with you x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've mentioned this a few times over the years.

I absolutely love a mummy tummy, especially with a stretch mark or two. Why? I honestly have no idea.

Is it maybe the suffering and strife they've gone through to reproduce? Is it because it's a sensual part of a woman? Is it a paternal thing because the womb is behind there?

I'll never know. But it's lovely. "
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And this. Thank you, that’s just lovely.

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By *ryanythingonce7274 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Berkshire

My hubby started this chat without me knowing, but he's right in that I now like it and we should all try to embrace our curves, but it's hard X

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By *ob_bieMan
over a year ago

Bath

I absolutely adore and love the so called mummy tummy! There is nothing better, touching it, kissing it, oh, it’s turning me on now just thinking about it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My hubby started this chat without me knowing, but he's right in that I now like it and we should all try to embrace our curves, but it's hard X "
would love to chat with you again as you have a hot body but for some reason you have blocked but don’t no why as we were getting on really well.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple


"My husband has never been attracted to me or my body, so he would never stroke my tummy- more like recoil in horror lol...

My FWB and other FBs, though, caress it and kiss my mummy tummy, and tell me how amazing my body is despite having gestated and given birth to 3 children. Complete turn on. "

That's how my ex was...what a knob

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By *ryanythingonce7274 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Berkshire

Not sure if you can see this but we didn't intentionally and checked a couple of days ago on the block list and you were not on it. We will have another look today X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not sure if you can see this but we didn't intentionally and checked a couple of days ago on the block list and you were not on it. We will have another look today X "
thats cool thank you we’ve checked our block list just in case we managed to block you some how but your not on ours. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My husband has never been attracted to me or my body, so he would never stroke my tummy- more like recoil in horror lol..."

I had to read that a few times to check I wasn't misreading it.

Obviously I don't know your dynamic, but in my view I wouldn't waste any of my life with someone that viewed me that way; life is short and love should be unconditional or it isn't love. A partner that feels that way isn't the right one.

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By *ryanythingonce7274 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Berkshire

Checked and not there. I wonder if admin can fix?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can hardly bare to look at mine! If I could swap it out I would!!

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By *olden_Road_to_SamarkandMan
over a year ago

North Wessex Downs


"Woohhhh so I love to touch her tummy and she hates it. Now all I need to do it's, touch or kiss and she explodes! Don't know why but geez its a turn on for both of us.

Anyone else think the same!? "

Mummy Tummy's rock - and 'Hers' is gorgeous!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Checked and not there. I wonder if admin can fix?"
thats cool do you want to sort it out with admin?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Keep them coming

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Checked and not there. I wonder if admin can fix?"
can you see our profile?

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By *irewolffMan
over a year ago

Dublin

They are there for a reason & damn good one's.

Sure I wish I could get rid of mine & its not one but erotic or sensitive but hey ho....could ne worse.

MsD

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By *ryanythingonce7274 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Berkshire

Nope. I've messaged admin. Hopefully they can help X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nope. I've messaged admin. Hopefully they can help X "
cool thank you x

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By *rEfoxMan
over a year ago

edinburgh


"I drew the short straw with a mum tum, it really is 1 of the worst kind, I disguise it well in my lingerie, dresses and corsets but I know it is there.

Does this stop me getting naked?

Sometimes.

I have done naturist holidays and been nude in a club jacuzzi many times, but when it come to sex, I want to feel sexy, so always tend to keep atleast my 50s girdle and stockings on "

Gosh, you’re beautiful!

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By *ryanythingonce7274 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Berkshire

I asked admin (yesterday) and hear nothing X

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By *heshireguy69Man
over a year ago

saddleworth


"They are there for a reason & damn good one's.

Sure I wish I could get rid of mine & its not one but erotic or sensitive but hey ho....could ne worse.

MsD"

Wow, you look incredible in those wet look leggings!!

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By *luttonousGirlTV/TS
over a year ago

Burnhope

I love how soft a mummy tummy is I always want to hold it and give it rubs and cuddle up with her if she has a mummy tummy

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By *ronmant16Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

Mummy tummies are so sexy, might sound daft but when spooning it's wonderful to reach around and gently squeeze,scoop up and hold the extra stomach flesh , very sexy feeling as far as I'm concerned

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By *ampWithABrainWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

Very self conscious of mine thanks to ex who was visibly repulsed by how my body had changed after having his child and nearly dying doing so!

Cover it as much as possible most of the time but some lovely meets have been very good at helping me hate it less, not loving it yet though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love a mummy tummy and love running my hands over them

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

Yeah I like to feel a nice soft one.

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By *issA_MrMMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

I absolutely adore a soft tummy on other women, but not a fan of my own. A x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I absolutely adore a soft tummy on other women, but not a fan of my own. A x"
mrs A you have a sexy figure x

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By *erbycouple7Couple
over a year ago

derby

It really gets me down I always try to be positive about it and mr helps massively, but it’s a massive reason why I struggle for confidence and meets, not no’ing how others would find me x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep, do away with the media hyped mindset of perfection and join the dgaf attitude and all's well. Cliche as it is, its whi you are that matters

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sexy as fk, we'd shag the arse off you lol

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By *erbycouple7Couple
over a year ago

derby


"Sexy as fk, we'd shag the arse off you lol"

Is this response to us or the op lol

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By *illxxMan
over a year ago

motherwell

Love a mummy tummy such a turn on but it’s how a woman feels comfortable in her own body that counts not all women have a page three figure so don’t hide it flaunt it if your comfortable doing it

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By *ady CurvaceousWoman
over a year ago

Kent

Hate mine, makes me so self conscious so I try to hide it with suspender belts etc

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By *nto the LouWoman
over a year ago

Preston

Hate mine, can’t stand it being touched and don’t like it being looked at!

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By *illxxMan
over a year ago

motherwell

Yeah some women hide it with a nice basque which is ok if that’s what makes you comfortable then go with it

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By *onyMad123Couple
over a year ago

nottingham/ derby

Hate mine try to hide it and my chubby fupa but, thankfully the bits are neat and tidy underneath, I'm told as unslightly as I find it it's generally not as off putting to others. Mine proper folded after a c section ans is heavily strech marked, very rare I am. Fully naked

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would really put me off if a guy gave my stomach attention.

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By *lldaybreakfastMan
over a year ago

leeds

I love a mummy tummy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure where Derby is, but we're in the way lol x

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By *erbycouple7Couple
over a year ago

derby


"Not sure where Derby is, but we're in the way lol x"

Only a 3hr 30min drive lol x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hate mine try to hide it and my chubby fupa but, thankfully the bits are neat and tidy underneath, I'm told as unslightly as I find it it's generally not as off putting to others. Mine proper folded after a c section ans is heavily strech marked, very rare I am. Fully naked"

I have the same filling a c section. It doesn’t seem to matter how much weight I lose it’s still always there.

Once I hit my target weight this time I’m having a tummy tuck. Can’t wait after years of hating it to have a tummy I actually like!

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