FabSwingers.com forum: dyslexia and replying to people

By *ightrider2009 OP Man
over a year ago

leeds

HI all just seeing if their are any others like me who has dyslexia? I find it hard to either send or reply quickly as it takes time to type due to dyslexia, i wonder do others have this. If meet people face to face it is not a issue, it only when trying type. How many more people might has this?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Do you mean in messages or on the forum? I wouldn't worry about either most people are patient and understanding and the ones who aren't aren't worth your time.

There are a couple of people on the forums who are dyslexic, anybody who comments negatively towards them is soon pulled up.

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By *erriAnneTV/TS
over a year ago

The shire

I used to be dyslexic but I'm ko now

I'll get me coat

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By *r_PinkMan
over a year ago

london stratford

I am dyslexic too and when sending a message, of there is a word o think I've spelt wrong, I even mention in dyslexic.

If, something I've seen before , the said person says they are grammar nazis and hate misspelt words. I don't even bother replying

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By *ightrider2009 OP Man
over a year ago

leeds

"I used to be dyslexic but I'm ko now

I'll get me coat "

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By *ightrider2009 OP Man
over a year ago

leeds

hi thanks for the reply, to answer your question Both, i know what i would like to say but it not always that easy to type it out, nice profile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People forget that dyslexics are teople poo

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

It's not just dyslexics who might have trouble typing. I have a spine condition that affects my limbs and their extremities, often don't press keys hard enough and so stuff is missed out of texts. I used to love chatting online, not so much these days.

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By *hangerMan
over a year ago

brighton

I have mild dyslexia, but most of my errors are either typos or predictive text!

I do feel sorry for people who have a much greater degree of dyslexia which can be a major problem, but then they tend to compensate in other ways, often having excellent memories. Many years ago the actress (as they were called then!) Susan Hampshire "came out" about having severe dyslexia and how she memorised all her lines in advance as it was impossible for her to sight read at a rehearsal.

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By *he Happy ManMan
over a year ago

Merseyside

"HI all just seeing if their are any others like me who has dyslexia? I find it hard to either send or reply quickly as it takes time to type due to dyslexia, i wonder do others have this. If meet people face to face it is not a issue, it only when trying type. How many more people might has this?

Look up EFT = Emotional Freedom Technique. People have cured their dyslexia with this alternative therapy.

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)

Look up EFT = Emotional Freedom Technique. People have cured their dyslexia with this alternative therapy. "

Nope... Just nope.

Dyslexia is a difference in nurological processing, it's not something that can be "cured" by having bad energy pathways blocked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean in messages or on the forum? I wouldn't worry about either most people are patient and understanding and the ones who aren't aren't worth your time.

There are a couple of people on the forums who are dyslexic, anybody who comments negatively towards them is soon pulled up.

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well said great advice and the admin would barr people whoever commented negatively on that subject

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By *ightrider2009 OP Man
over a year ago

leeds

Well said it can't be cured but they can be helped with colour filters when reading and typing.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

Would using gramarly app help? It's free.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

OP I'm just curious why your profile pic is so small ?

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

I’m dyslexic, it really kicks in if I’m tired or had a beer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's the trying to figure out other words that means the same or having to write more words to describe what you want to say. I mean I wanted to say (another word) but I couldn't spell another so I ended up writing (more words)

Then I go to write something else and bloody spell check spells out (another)

And I end up rewriting the post.

But as I wanted to explain I didn't rewrite I just left it how it was .

I hope this makes sense?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've got dyslexia and it can be a nightmare at times. I wasn't diagnosed until late 2018 during my first year at university.

When I'm stressed or tired it can really kick in and I can't spell for toffee, it's really annoying.

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By *appy69coupleCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

I / we think you should be open about it. We would respect that.

and also, don't worry about it! half the people on here can't spell anyway!

Gary and penny x

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

Take your time, don't worry about rushing responses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did you hear the sad story of the dyslexic junkie ?

Died of a Dodgy F

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By *yesgreenMan
over a year ago

north and south

"Did you hear the sad story of the dyslexic junkie ?

Died of a Dodgy F"
Am dyslexic but don't ask me to spell it,, There is a speakerphone on the ??iPhone 3 from the left op and speaking into that will bring up spellings very helpful for us , just spell check it afterwards

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By *erby DomCouple
over a year ago

Ashbourne(ish) and Chesterfield(ish)

We are both dyslexic and use Grammarly and other apps to try to help. If people feel the need to highlight bad spelling and grammar then good on them. It shows us what is important to them and we will avoid them like the proverbial plague. We understand how hard it can be communicating in written form for some of us and never pull anyone up for errors.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People forget that dyslexics are teople poo"

See you next Tuesday xx

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By *UNANDNICEMan
over a year ago

Basildon

I'm a bit like this and I don't know what to put in my replying back message and maybe that's the problem and don't have any replys back to me

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By *ourayloversCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

I have quite bad dyslexia, every email, letter, presentation I write has loads of redlines under it and at 45 I still get my p's and b's the wrong way round

I have very strong mathematical skills (which I need for my career) but I have people who check my emails/letters as sometimes what I think I've wrote is nothing like what it should be

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By *ornybobBuilderMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

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By *ollydoesWoman
over a year ago

Shangri-La

Dyslexic here. When messaging i do take my time as hate reading it back after and seeing mistakes, and im constantly using google to check my spellings. Predictive text is useless to me most times. In the forums i tend to make most mistakes, but no one ever mentions it. Although i submitted a buisness plan before xmas and refered to my packaging as Muslim bags all the way thro. Whoops...

My number dyslexia is much worse, but passed my maths and english GCSE's last year at 38. Something i never thought i would attept yet alone do.

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By *UNANDNICEMan
over a year ago

Basildon

I understand what you mean and maybe that's why my profile isn't that good.i know what I want to put down but can't spell it and then when you do get a reply back from someone and they ask you the reason why you want to join them well I'm bloody fucked there then but I'm very good with my hands and I don't mean in the sexual way..well I am good in that way

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By *ornybobBuilderMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

"People forget that dyslexics are teople poo"

Grow up and have some respect for people

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area

I would suggest mentioning your dyslexia in your profile or in an early message. Doing that people will understand if your spelling or grammar is a bit wonky.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People forget that dyslexics are teople poo

Grow up and have some respect for people"

It’s called humour. Some people aren’t blessed with any it appears.

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By *orbidden eastMan
over a year ago

london dodging electric scooters

"Dyslexic here. When messaging i do take my time as hate reading it back after and seeing mistakes, and im constantly using google to check my spellings. Predictive text is useless to me most times. In the forums i tend to make most mistakes, but no one ever mentions it. Although i submitted a buisness plan before xmas and refered to my packaging as Muslim bags all the way thro. Whoops...

My number dyslexia is much worse, but passed my maths and english GCSE's last year at 38. Something i never thought i would attept yet alone do. "

Same here. but you know what somehow i manage to get along with it

and well done to all of you!!! that do you that do get along with it.life is never easy

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By *hebritukCouple
over a year ago

London

Never understand why people are so fussy about grammar on here? Do you want to f**k or read a newspaper.

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By *oppet22TV/TS
over a year ago

huddersfield

Am the same I try to uses words I know how to spell don't allways work but would not stop me chatting tyr my best to get things accoss in a rigth way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t suffer with words. But numbers really badly. I have to check check and check again

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By *ollydoesWoman
over a year ago

Shangri-La

My number dyslexia is much worse, but passed my maths and english GCSE's last year at 38. Something i never thought i would attept yet alone do.

Same here. but you know what somehow i manage to get along with it

and well done to all of you!!! that do you that do get along with it.life is never easy

Thanks. We all have our struggles tho.

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By *UNANDNICEMan
over a year ago

Basildon

It's embarrassing for people like me and others that have this and I don't want to be like this one bit but that's me and if you don't like me well that's your choice..

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By *ornybobBuilderMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

"People forget that dyslexics are teople poo

Grow up and have some respect for people

It’s called humour. Some people aren’t blessed with any it appears. "
well you got fucking shit humour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People forget that dyslexics are teople poo

Grow up and have some respect for people

It’s called humour. Some people aren’t blessed with any it appears. "

Humour is one thing.... been means another!!!!!

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By *nto My ArmsMan
over a year ago

Herts/London

I'm qualified to diagnose dyslexia in adults.

Have supported many post-diagnosis, too.

Always happy to help anyone that might need tips or support.

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By *orbidden eastMan
over a year ago

london dodging electric scooters

"Never understand why people are so fussy about grammar on here? Do you want to f**k or read a newspaper.

Yes thank you!!!

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By *ornybobBuilderMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

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By *ornybobBuilderMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

"I'm qualified to diagnose dyslexia in adults.

Have supported many post-diagnosis, too.

Always happy to help anyone that might need tips or support. "

Top man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm qualified to diagnose dyslexia in adults.

Have supported many post-diagnosis, too.

Always happy to help anyone that might need tips or support. "

good on you xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both me and z are dyslexic so we generally have loads of spelling mistakes

Some funny some not ha ha. We manage ok. Xx

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock

I have ‘daily sex’, too. It affects my spelling, word blindness, grammar and sentence construction, including vocal processing; my handwriting is atrocious, too. What I tend to do is google words that I can’t spell and I’m always proofreading, but I can still miss words, etc. I have used programmes such as Read and Write, Sonocent audio notetaker and inspiration mind mapping, given to me for my uni studies.

Unfortunately, some people equate the aforementioned affects being unintelligent. What some people don’t understand is that some/most people with dyslexia are very intelligent - they just learn differently and need support. I have a photographic memory and have a very good long term memory and recall - I can read or hear something, totally forget about it and then a week or several weeks or years later, something will trigger that memory. I wished I recognised this much earlier, as I was virtually given up upon in school; I’m now doing my second Masters.

OP: there’s no need to rush to write a reply the instant it comes it. Take your time, write it in another programme first, such as Word, Notes, etc. so that you can see it much better, than the tiny screen on the site. Then copy and paste it into the reply window.

All the best J

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We don't really enjoy hours of text type. But spelling and grammar isn't and issue to us.

As somones mentioned, it's really acting as a really useful filter for you as if people havn't the time and patience you'd want to avoid anyway. Happy swinging

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By *yesgreenMan
over a year ago

north and south

"We don't really enjoy hours of text type. But spelling and grammar isn't and issue to us.

As somones mentioned, it's really acting as a really useful filter for you as if people havn't the time and patience you'd want to avoid anyway. Happy swinging "
We need a dyslexic social, am in Ireland but happy to travel we can all chat no writing And still show how articulate we are , Happy new year fabulous people

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By *orbidden eastMan
over a year ago

london dodging electric scooters

"I'm qualified to diagnose dyslexia in adults.

Have supported many post-diagnosis, too.

Always happy to help anyone that might need tips or support. "

Nice one big man

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By *ightrider2009 OP Man
over a year ago

leeds

thanks for the all the advice, there are programme out there, like grammarly, but as one person said profile can be an issue. but it is good to talk to other who have the same problem.

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By *orbidden eastMan
over a year ago

london dodging electric scooters

"thanks for the all the advice, there are programme out there, like grammarly, but as one person said profile can be an issue. but it is good to talk to other who have the same problem.

Well mate sometimes it’s just a small world. But don’t worry about it.just be you simple really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a shame when people try to make jokes about dyslexia. You would not take the piss out of someone with an additional need.

I too am dyslexic, not diagnosed until three years ago...

I find I am ok with typing words, always get my I's and E's mixed up though. I find colour filters help, and always take my time in typing.

Terrible at writing, make far more mistakes when I write.

Quite paranoid about it tbh, and I will read and re read what I have written.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

"I don’t suffer with words. But numbers really badly. I have to check check and check again "

Me too. Maths really killed off physics for me. Dyscalculia is a nighmare, when it comes to my short term memory and following a sequence, ie dancing/music.

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By *orbidden eastMan
over a year ago

london dodging electric scooters

"What a shame when people try to make jokes about dyslexia. You would not take the piss out of someone with an additional need.

I too am dyslexic, not diagnosed until three years ago...

I find I am ok with typing words, always get my I's and E's mixed up though. I find colour filters help, and always take my time in typing.

Terrible at writing, make far more mistakes when I write.

Quite paranoid about it tbh, and I will read and re read what I have written.

Snap I feel your pain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hate when going for job interviews and saying that I have problems spelling.

I went years ago to Tesco and the person interviewing took me out to the store and asked me to read stuff.

I said do you not understand that my problem is spelling not reading.

He never give me a job

Or my ex ex boss demoted me because she said it's wasn't other people's job to help me fill in my paperwork.

I did do the job 9years. So I must have been doing something right.

I have a wee book with the main words I can't spell.

And you point out that every phone PC or tablet has spell check.

I still get turned down or overlooked in jobs

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By *appy69coupleCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

I think that quite a few posts above have proved that manners and modesty are far more important than spelling and grammar - especially in this game x

That comment about daily sex made me laugh out loud - good on you!

When we meet people at clubs or whatever, we recoil instantly from loudmouths, smart arses and twats.

it's the quiet ones...those people happy enough in their own skin that are the most attractive and sexy, and we are far more likely to have a chat and more with those people than the ones (like above) who think because they've got a big mouth or a big cock (and likewise for ladies) they have an instant invite.

Having to work much harder at something, and actually doing it is very honourable and without wanting to appear the slightest bit patronising, we salute you - genuinely x

G & P xx

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

I've had plenty of managers who have never heard of the fact that dyslexia and discalculia are two sides of the same coin.

To use the Countdown analogy, I can sit in Dictionary Corner: no problem. But stand me next to the numbers board: forget it.

The sooner more people understand this, the better, for all of us.

How does this affect me in real life, well basic mental arithmetic is tricky; but instantaneous wordplay is really no effort at all.

...and yes, I do double check my spelling: gotta keep my skills in shape.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean in messages or on the forum? I wouldn't worry about either most people are patient and understanding and the ones who aren't aren't worth your time.

There are a couple of people on the forums who are dyslexic, anybody who comments negatively towards them is soon pulled up.

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Yes. The grammar police types.

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

"I have quite bad dyslexia, every email, letter, presentation I write has loads of redlines under it and at 45 I still get my p's and b's the wrong way round

I have very strong mathematical skills (which I need for my career) but I have people who check my emails/letters as sometimes what I think I've wrote is nothing like what it should be

I am a bit like this - I have dispraxia where there is a connection with dyslexia. I have good it, and maths skills but with words I have to print out letters and check on paper.

Tbh it is not as bad as it can be and gets worse if I am trying to type something with an emotional meaning.

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By *ollydoesWoman
over a year ago

Shangri-La

I had no idea either that its heredity. Or so they told me. Unfortunately it took time for my folkes to even realise its a real problem not just a lazy one. Luckily the school i went to had a dyslexic unit which i went to for 1 1/2 hrs twice a week. Unfortunately i had to change schools for my GCSE's ( i went to a small private convert with 12 puplils in the whole of my year...they said i out grew the school lmao ) the new school didnt tale it into account at all and although not stupid i was placed in the bottom set for everything.

My boy struggles but mostly he is the slowest processor ever..tell him a new bit of information in a million different ways till he understands to a point. Then it looks like he isnt listening but his brain is just working overtime. He dsont have a stutter but listening to him trying to expain something or tell a story of what happend at school can be the most painful experience. Having said that his tech skills baffle me lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My other half is cripplingly dyslexic, luckily for him, technology is his saviour.

He’s got a decent job, and it doesn’t hinder him, he’s just dead open about it.

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By *ust_A_Tease_To_PleaseWoman
over a year ago

South Wales: Newport, Chepstow

Dylexic and autistic here.

I'm upfront that I have non-visable disabilities and find that really helps... Also those who won't take it into account quickly find themselves blocked.

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England

Im lystexic to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Am dyslexic it’s a pain but ahh I try my best

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By *ymph and ManicCouple
over a year ago

North East

Just make sure you don’t invite them to a goat party. Pmsl.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As long as the person has clearly read my profile and I like the look of them in their photos, I'd still reply even if there were issues with spelling or grammar. I'm very close to someone with dyslexia and I know how hard it can be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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loads have it just take your time with your messages, socials could be your best bet maybe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m dyslexic, it really kicks in if I’m tired or had a beer."

Same, the next day when you read back and think dear God, how did I miss that spelling, but it just doesn't register at the time

I will often point out my dyslexia In a chat but I don't let my spelling bother me, if it bothers somebody so much then they aren't the right folk for me xx

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By *n With LifeCouple
over a year ago

Hadley Wood

Look up EFT = Emotional Freedom Technique. People have cured their dyslexia with this alternative therapy.

Nope... Just nope.

Dyslexia is a difference in nurological processing, it's not something that can be "cured" by having bad energy pathways blocked. "

Exactly, it’s irresponsible to peddle these quack treatments whether it be for dyslexia or even cancer.

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By *forfun500Couple
over a year ago

walsall

Mr here I take time to read things I'm not a fast reader at all so yes I suppose I have dyslexia also but I can type fairly quick

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Do you mean in messages or on the forum? I wouldn't worry about either most people are patient and understanding and the ones who aren't aren't worth your time.

There are a couple of people on the forums who are dyslexic, anybody who comments negatively towards them is soon pulled up.

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By *aughtyangieCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Do you mean in messages or on the forum? I wouldn't worry about either most people are patient and understanding and the ones who aren't aren't worth your time.

There are a couple of people on the forums who are dyslexic, anybody who comments negatively towards them is soon pulled up.

Lol I wish this was true

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By *entakuruMan
over a year ago

Exeter

I have discalcula rather than dyslexia. I'm wordy but awful with numbers.

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England

"I have discalcula rather than dyslexia. I'm wordy but awful with numbers. "

Me too happy 0202

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean in messages or on the forum? I wouldn't worry about either most people are patient and understanding and the ones who aren't aren't worth your time.

There are a couple of people on the forums who are dyslexic, anybody who comments negatively towards them is soon pulled up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well said it can't be cured but they can be helped with colour filters when reading and typing. "

I have dyslexia and find colour filters do help. Though typing isn't so bad, cannot hand write for shit though

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By *rs-Naughty_Mr-CuddlesCouple
over a year ago

Nr coleford

Mr here I'm also dyslexic my handwriting is better than some doctors tho one thing that anoys Mrs n I don't put full stops or commas in place

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By *ficouldMan
over a year ago

a quandary, could you change my mind?

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By *ficouldMan
over a year ago

a quandary, could you change my mind?

I get pulled up about my spelling regularly, even by people who know my situation. Some believe that it's to help you, but they don't understand that we can spell the word correctly in one sentence and not in the next.

Some people understand others don't want too.

Just because of dyslexia doesn't mean we are daft.

Do the best you can with any reply or message and see how you go.

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"I get pulled up about my spelling regularly, even by people who know my situation. Some believe that it's to help you, but they don't understand that we can spell the word correctly in one sentence and not in the next.

Some people understand others don't want too.

Just because of dyslexia doesn't mean we are daft.

Do the best you can with any reply or message and see how you go."

Dyslexic is linked to autism, in an intelligent way.

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By *ficouldMan
over a year ago

a quandary, could you change my mind?

Some people understand others don't want too.

Just because of dyslexia doesn't mean we are daft.

Do the best you can with any reply or message and see how you go.

Dyslexic is linked to autism, in an intelligent way."

Shhh.. that word especially does make the misinformed run away.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

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I'm very glad to have the gift of dyslexia

It did make school in the 70s and 80s a little testing though

My dyslexia helps me understand how things work so although I cant spell for toffee I can work out how Google spell check corrects me and use it to my advantage x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP: As long as you're trying your best that's all you can do. I'm glad that dictation software exists nowadays and that there are things like Siri etc etc

Many of my colleagues, friends and loved ones have it.

I used to be very pedantic about grammar and spelling but now I just laugh along with any howlers if and when they make them. It's amusing when - for example - someone is trying to say "hologram" and they come out with "holocaust".

I only realised a couple of years ago that if people say e.g. "pacific" instead of "specific" then that's a very common dyslexic thing. It DOES NOT -contrary to some people's beliefs - make them thick.

Some of the ones I know can write essays and understand wanky academic talk, while others definitely can't. It's interesting how much of a spectrum there is to it, much like with autism (which someone earlier mentioned).

Autism and dyslexia are in the same family AFAIK and they are common comorbidities but not all dyslexics are autistic and not all autistic are dyslexic.

Trying to figure out if some dyslexics use text speak to cover up and whether I need to be less impatient about that.

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

Try Grammarly it's a huge help.

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

I'm very glad to have the gift of dyslexia

It did make school in the 70s and 80s a little testing though

My dyslexia helps me understand how things work so although I cant spell for toffee I can work out how Google spell check corrects me and use it to my advantage x"

Same here can't spell but I cna rebuild and fix almost anything. Hence I'm an engineer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It shouldn't matter about dyslexia. As long as you don't put your cock in the wrong hole is all the matters lol

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

I'm very glad to have the gift of dyslexia

It did make school in the 70s and 80s a little testing though

My dyslexia helps me understand how things work so although I cant spell for toffee I can work out how Google spell check corrects me and use it to my advantage x

Same here can't spell but I cna rebuild and fix almost anything. Hence I'm an engineer. "

I'm also an engineer

I spell abysmally

I now dont write other than my signature

Took a few years to confidently declare "sorry I cannot write if you want to read (forms etc) or me complete it today then you will need to write it"

I struggle to draw(not technically)which does frustrate me although I do know I can improve with meticulous dedication

That said I can sculpt and I have no problem with 3d art

I used to make clock animatronics which conceptually are 4 d (place in space at a time)

Having to deal with a judgemental hand written world was a baptism of fire for a shy 7 year old however my gift bestowed me with lateral thinking permitting me to circumnavigate problems and see them from a number of perspectives

That and enough conviction and understanding to know those calling me stupid were just wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m dyslexic, it really kicks in if I’m tired or had a beer."

Same here, i daren't type on the forums at night, make no sense

Just take your time OP, and read back what you wrote, often a eye opener. there is no rush to reply so take that pressure away for a start.

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By *oppet22TV/TS
over a year ago

huddersfield

I suffer from this all I try and do is swop words at are simler

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It shouldn't matter about dyslexia. As long as you don't put your cock in the wrong hole is all the matters lol

I'm going to hell for smiling st that, right ?

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