FabSwingers.com forum: Why is Fab so binary?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

We live in a world with increased recognition of gender fluidity, non-binary identities and the general complexity of life. Is 2020 the year that Fab finally embraces non-binary choices and the forums move away from endless threads about fat girls vs thin girls, black guys vs white guys, real swingers vs singles, ‘real’ doms vs ‘fake’ Doms and ‘Squirt - real or piss?’? Can we start celebrating the many shades in between the extremes?

Non binary answers welcome.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

01101000

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

" 01101000"

So not 42 then?

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By *opman1111Man
over a year ago

belfast

Would love to add to this thread, but haven’t a baldy notion what it actually means

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By *olden RatioWoman
over a year ago

Buckinghamshire

I would love to be able to say that 2020 will indeed be the year that Fabs recognises all of those glorious inbetween shades... but sadly, I doubt it.

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

"I would love to be able to say that 2020 will indeed be the year that Fabs recognises all of those glorious inbetween shades... but sadly, I doubt it. "

I'm a transgender woman and don't think that will hapen in 2020

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By *ecky and justCouple
over a year ago

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By *ecky and justCouple
over a year ago

Godalming

Excellent and intriguing thread but I’m going to have to disagree with you.

I think Fab is extremely non-binary, there are multitude of different types of people with different types of sexuality here on the site and especially in the forums. If you want to find a particular type of person you’re never too far away for them.

What is evident here is that everyone has an opinion, rightly or wrongly, about what their thoughts are about binary categories.

It’s only human to disagree about things and discuss them. What we should really be doing is encouraging people to talk about things rather than argue about them or be blinkered to the existence of other types of people or sexuality.

Spelling mistake corrected.

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

"Excellent and intriguing thread but I’m going to have to disagree with you.

What is evident here is that everyone has an opinion, rightly or wrongly, about what their thoughts are about binary categories.

Spelling mistake corrected. "

I completly agree with you we should should encourage people to talk about things instead of argue about but we know that never hapen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We live in a world with increased recognition of gender fluidity, non-binary identities and the general complexity of life. Is 2020 the year that Fab finally embraces non-binary choices and the forums move away from endless threads about fat girls vs thin girls, black guys vs white guys, real swingers vs singles, ‘real’ doms vs ‘fake’ Doms and ‘Squirt - real or piss?’? Can we start celebrating the many shades in between the extremes?

Non binary answers welcome."

Obviously I think of non-binary primarily in terms of gender, in which case it is important to respect that diversity, however when it comes to sexual partners it is fine for people to make choices based on their own preference.

So I expect people to accept the way I chose to dress, and in return I will accept that, for most people, I am not who they are looking for on this site.

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By *acky RacersCouple
over a year ago

Lincoln

Non binary answers welcome."

It's not though, is it? Not really. I think it may be in very limited, rarefied, minority groups of people who like to think they're intellectually enlightened and make a show if embracing difference until it's too different from them or doesn't fit into their current cause...scratch the surface of the majority of people and they still very much stick with people who are the same as them

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By *peak and SpellCouple
over a year ago

Greenwich, SE LONDON

So we think: anything and everything goes as long as everybody is consenting and happy.

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By *sLillyMrWolfeCouple
over a year ago

near you...

"Excellent and intriguing thread but I’m going to have to disagree with you.

I think Fab is extremely non-binary, there are multitude of different types of people with different types of sexuality here on the site and especially in the forums."

Non-binary is about gender, not sexuality.

"If you want to find a particular type of person you’re never too far away for them.

How do we find someone on this site who is non-binary (i.e. doesn't identify as male or female)?

"What is evident here is that everyone has an opinion, rightly or wrongly, about what their thoughts are about binary categories.

It would be good if opinions were based on facts.

"What we should really be doing is encouraging people to talk about things rather than argue about them or be blinkered to the existence of other types of people or sexuality."

Totally agree. Does it make a difference to your opinion that we are talking about gender, not sexuality?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I hope so. I doubt it.

Development is non linear, it isn't always progress, and I fear sometimes that acceptance in various forms only goes so far, and in some areas might even be taken away.

I apologise, but my views on the subject are fairly pessimistic.

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By *sLillyMrWolfeCouple
over a year ago

near you...

I can't imagine it would be difficult to implement here - just change the signup options from male or female to male, female or non-binary. Easy.

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

Forums just turn into arguments and there seems to be either too much ignorance or just plain bigotry from wind up trolls.

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By *ungBlackTopMan
over a year ago

salford

Blah blah blah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably the vast majority of people here dont live in a gender fluid, non binary, pick a gender from a hat, identify as a plant world.

I think most people are accepting of most things just dont expect them to fall into that bubble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Probably the vast majority of people here dont live in a gender fluid, non binary, pick a gender from a hat, identify as a plant world.

I think most people are accepting of most things just dont expect them to fall into that bubble."

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By *hMyGawdCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

"Probably the vast majority of people here dont live in a gender fluid, non binary, pick a gender from a hat, identify as a plant world.

I think most people are accepting of most things just dont expect them to fall into that bubble."

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By *hMyGawdCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

I don't think many people have that "progressive" mindset that accepts diversity and inclusivity and all that jazz.

Look at politics at the minute.

We're moving away from that. Clearly.

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

Diversity is obviously lost on some people.Narrow minded bigotry is more prevalent judging by the comments made on forums.

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By *achelNottmTV/TS
over a year ago

notts/derbys

I hope so.

I've been going out regularly as Rachel for 10 years, but in my personal experience, I've found the last year more accepting and friendly, but that could just be me ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Massively tedious topic. People are sick of all this navel gazing binary crap. No thank you!

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

Thankyou Sophie for your valuable contribution to the discussion. Though I must agree it's going absolutely nowhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Zzzz this non-binary thing is all bullshit that’s perpetuated by well meaning (but I’ll informed) young journalists and people on social media.

1. There’s zero scientific evidence to back up all the various claims

2. The amount of people that claim to be “non binary” is less than one percent. It’s impact is insignificant. There’s no need to make a big deal of things

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Zzzz this non-binary thing is all bullshit that’s perpetuated by well meaning (but I’ll informed) young journalists and people on social media.

1. There’s zero scientific evidence to back up all the various claims

2. The amount of people that claim to be “non binary” is less than one percent. It’s impact is insignificant. There’s no need to make a big deal of things"

Wait, I thought you were taking about gender binary. So my comment was referring to that. After re-Reading i understand what you mean

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

There speaks the oracle on the subject not.

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By *andb69Couple
over a year ago

leeds

Non binary answers welcome."

All the shades are already here, but not all of them are for everybody - naturally.

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By *sLillyMrWolfeCouple
over a year ago

near you...

"Probably the vast majority of people here dont live in a gender fluid, non binary, pick a gender from a hat, identify as a plant world.

I think most people are accepting of most things just dont expect them to fall into that bubble."

Everyone's in a bubble. To wit, the vast majority of people don't post on swingers' sites.

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

Just outlaw the verb “to be”.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Probably the vast majority of people here dont live in a gender fluid, non binary, pick a gender from a hat, identify as a plant world.

I think most people are accepting of most things just dont expect them to fall into that bubble."

This, call yourself/ identify however you like but don't expect everyone else to go along with it too.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Fab is just about the most diverse place I have found on the internet. I'm not sure I understand what the OP is driving at.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I just don't understand it..

No-one has been able to explain it so I pretty much ignore it and treat everyone the same..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This site seems dominated by TS / TV / CD/ men in knickers, it really does not needto do anymore

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire

OP cant agree more. Life is for living and enjoying time to just embrase the glorious multitude.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well, I prefer to work on this thesis;

If you're born with a cock, you're a bloke.

If you're born without one, you're a woman.

There, how simple is that!!

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

About as simple as you trappist. Amazing powers of logic.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire

"Well, I prefer to work on this thesis;

If you're born with a cock, you're a bloke.

If you're born without one, you're a woman.

There, how simple is that!!

I cant be arsed to argue with you. But Trappist is a good name you will have as much sex as a monk with an attitude like that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Sorry I hadn’t checked in on the thread as I assumed it would fall into the large bucket of ignored and disappeared threads. Thank you for picking up the baton and running with it, albeit in ever decreasing circles. I’m surprised only Rachel reported experience of increased tolerance to more nuanced gender roles this year. I’ve experienced in several ways outside of fab. I had hoped others would too.

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

Your thread just brought out the trolls as expected.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I hope so. I doubt it.

Development is non linear, it isn't always progress, and I fear sometimes that acceptance in various forms only goes so far, and in some areas might even be taken away.

I apologise, but my views on the subject are fairly pessimistic. "

Great post as ever. I’m remaining optimistic..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Your thread just brought out the trolls as expected. "

Fewer than I expected tbh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Non binary answers welcome."

Quite agree OP

It needs to move on from the same old threads but doubt it will.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"OP cant agree more. Life is for living and enjoying time to just embrase the glorious multitude."

Can’t agree more. One of the best nights I had in Quest was a fab newbie man/trans woman/bi man/straight black guy combo. Somehow everyone’s limits were respected and a lot of fun was had.

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By *RnMrsFreakCouple
over a year ago

Hull,England

There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop..."
Given that gender is defined as a social and cultural construct... that’s nonsense. And stop littering the place with microphones!

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

So Mrs Freak you don't recognise transgender. How diverse of you not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Your thread just brought out the trolls as expected. "

Trolls or just people with an alternative view?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So Mrs Freak you don't recognise transgender. How diverse of you not. "

I work with several non-binary people. They’re not figments of my imagination.

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By *entakuruMan
over a year ago

Exeter

Perhaps it's just my perception but aren't most of the gender non-binary lot a little younger than the average Fab user? By and large it seems to be the late teens through mid 20s that are the most into the whole gender fluidity thing whereas the Fab demographic seems mostly 30+? Yes I know there are fabbers younger than that but it does seem that the u25s are a small minority.

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

Usually people with limited mindsets who want to provoke arguments. Does that sound familiar?

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By *uzy swallowTV/TS
over a year ago

Warminster

I thought trolls lived under bridges xxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Usually people with limited mindsets who want to provoke arguments. Does that sound familiar? "

Can’t say I have noticed

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

Baron you have little knowledge on the subject I suspect and even less experience of meeting those with a different gender perspective.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Perhaps it's just my perception but aren't most of the gender non-binary lot a little younger than the average Fab user? By and large it seems to be the late teens through mid 20s that are the most into the whole gender fluidity thing whereas the Fab demographic seems mostly 30+? Yes I know there are fabbers younger than that but it does seem that the u25s are a small minority. "

You have a very good point, but we do all exist in the same world. I’m surprised more of that mind-set hasn’t percolated through to Fab.

And it doesn’t explain forumites love of posing binary topics for threads.

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

So why do it then as the amount of venom it creates?

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By *uzy swallowTV/TS
over a year ago

Warminster

It doesn’t matter what gender you are manners cost nothing and everyone has the right to be respected and be spoken to politely on here sometimes this doesn’t happen all to often xxx

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By *hilliandspiceMan
over a year ago

Wimborne

2048 will be a good binary year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Non binary answers welcome."

Absolutely let's celebrate each other's differences, but let's be mindful that things like preference and opinion still exist and make us who we are. It's okay to conform to the binary and it's also okay not conform. What matters is that everyone should be allowed to just be themselves (as long as that means "not a dickhead").

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By *hMyGawdCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

"Your thread just brought out the trolls as expected.

Trolls or just people with an alternative view? "

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

Well put but diversity isn't something that certain people on this thread can understand or accept

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop..."

There are two sexes, and many genders.

Cute effort though

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"2048 will be a good binary year.

Pahahaha! I’m so sad. I get wet for a maths joke. I don’t know the game.

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

I notice it's couples mainly who are mostly chipping in with bigoted views or gestures.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Maria - please use ‘quote and reply’. It makes it much easier to follow the discussion.

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By *RnMrsFreakCouple
over a year ago

Hull,England

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop... Given that gender is defined as a social and cultural construct... that’s nonsense. And stop littering the place with microphones!"

No it's defined by genes, of which there are just 2 combinations

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop... Given that gender is defined as a social and cultural construct... that’s nonsense. And stop littering the place with microphones!

No it's defined by genes, of which there are just 2 combinations"

You are referring to sex, not gender. Please do your research.

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

Not bothering with this thread now as it's full of transphobia

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" 01101000

So not 42 then?"

Bravo, a deep thought!

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Well none ofthe TV/TS/TG/Trolls/Binary/Non Binary/M/F/Inbetweeners/HPW/Straight/Bi will ever agree on this one as the thread shows.

I just imagine the tough journeys through life many people will of had. Feering rejection by your family, your friends, your religion, acquiescing on jokes, feeling isolated and alone, having to live a lie and when having the inner strength to come out with all the risk and ridicule it may entail.

So cut people a little slack and let them live their lives safely and in peace. Fab is mainly an inclusive place apart from the odd troll.. and yes a person with an alternative opinion is not always a troll..

Let people be themselves. It's one of the few safe spaces for many..

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By *RnMrsFreakCouple
over a year ago

Hull,England

"So Mrs Freak you don't recognise transgender. How diverse of you not. "
Trans-gender is BINARY.

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By *arrymonkerMan
over a year ago

Midlands

The very fact anyone thought this would be a worthy thread for this forum is everything that’s wrong with this snowflake world we live in.. thank GOD Labour didn’t get in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Usually people with limited mindsets who want to provoke arguments. Does that sound familiar? "

It seems you are the one with the limited mindset. It seems you cannot comprehend or accept the idea that some people just think differently to you.

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By *hilliandspiceMan
over a year ago

Wimborne

Well to be totally honest, in my book there are truly only two types of people.

Nice people and not nice people.

Anything else is just a matter of course.

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By *RnMrsFreakCouple
over a year ago

Hull,England

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop... Given that gender is defined as a social and cultural construct... that’s nonsense. And stop littering the place with microphones!

No it's defined by genes, of which there are just 2 combinations

You are referring to sex, not gender. Please do your research. "
No, because I'm mentally stable enough to really not give a shit hahahaha. Now get off my bridge snowflakes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The very fact anyone thought this would be a worthy thread for this forum is everything that’s wrong with this snowflake world we live in.. thank GOD Labour didn’t get in

The very fact that anyone though this would be a worthy comment for this thread is everything that's wrong with this boomer Tory world we live in.. Thank GOD for all the snowflakes revolting against this unnecessary hate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop... Given that gender is defined as a social and cultural construct... that’s nonsense. And stop littering the place with microphones!

No it's defined by genes, of which there are just 2 combinations

You are referring to sex, not gender. Please do your research. No, because I'm mentally stable enough to really not give a shit hahahaha. Now get off my bridge snowflakes"

Yes you're right, the amount you're contributing to this thread really shows how much of a shit you don't give hmmm

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By *RnMrsFreakCouple
over a year ago

Hull,England

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop... Given that gender is defined as a social and cultural construct... that’s nonsense. And stop littering the place with microphones!

No it's defined by genes, of which there are just 2 combinations

You are referring to sex, not gender. Please do your research. No, because I'm mentally stable enough to really not give a shit hahahaha. Now get off my bridge snowflakes

Yes you're right, the amount you're contributing to this thread really shows how much of a shit you don't give hmmm

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Why does it bother you so

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By *RnMrsFreakCouple
over a year ago

Hull,England

"The very fact anyone thought this would be a worthy thread for this forum is everything that’s wrong with this snowflake world we live in.. thank GOD Labour didn’t get in

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Yes the snowflakes are indeed revolting.

I do it out of love

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I’m bisexual. That’s quite binary. In a manner of speaking...

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By *RnMrsFreakCouple
over a year ago

Hull,England

"The very fact anyone thought this would be a worthy thread for this forum is everything that’s wrong with this snowflake world we live in.. thank GOD Labour didn’t get in

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Amen brother. GO BORIS

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By *RnMrsFreakCouple
over a year ago

Hull,England

"I’m bisexual. That’s quite binary. In a manner of speaking..."
Yes it is, nowt wrong with that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop... Given that gender is defined as a social and cultural construct... that’s nonsense. And stop littering the place with microphones!

No it's defined by genes, of which there are just 2 combinations

You are referring to sex, not gender. Please do your research. No, because I'm mentally stable enough to really not give a shit hahahaha. Now get off my bridge snowflakes

Yes you're right, the amount you're contributing to this thread really shows how much of a shit you don't give hmmm

Why does it bother you so"

Because this thread is all about celebrating love and acceptance, not spreading bullshit propaganda against those who just want to be left to live as their best selves.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The very fact anyone thought this would be a worthy thread for this forum is everything that’s wrong with this snowflake world we live in.. thank GOD Labour didn’t get in

Amen brother. GO BORIS"

I think Mrs Freak you need to slow down on the post-Christmas Baileys.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop... Given that gender is defined as a social and cultural construct... that’s nonsense. And stop littering the place with microphones!

No it's defined by genes, of which there are just 2 combinations

You are referring to sex, not gender. Please do your research. No, because I'm mentally stable enough to really not give a shit hahahaha. Now get off my bridge snowflakes

Yes you're right, the amount you're contributing to this thread really shows how much of a shit you don't give hmmm

Why does it bother you so

Because this thread is all about celebrating love and acceptance, not spreading bullshit propaganda against those who just want to be left to live as their best selves. "

Thank you Amber. Someone who understands my underlying motivation. Would have pm’d but I’m too old.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop... Given that gender is defined as a social and cultural construct... that’s nonsense. And stop littering the place with microphones!

No it's defined by genes, of which there are just 2 combinations

You are referring to sex, not gender. Please do your research. No, because I'm mentally stable enough to really not give a shit hahahaha. Now get off my bridge snowflakes

Yes you're right, the amount you're contributing to this thread really shows how much of a shit you don't give hmmm

Why does it bother you so

Because this thread is all about celebrating love and acceptance, not spreading bullshit propaganda against those who just want to be left to live as their best selves. "

Amber sums it up so well..

Why be a hater ? It takes so much energy to be negative

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By *RnMrsFreakCouple
over a year ago

Hull,England

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop... Given that gender is defined as a social and cultural construct... that’s nonsense. And stop littering the place with microphones!

No it's defined by genes, of which there are just 2 combinations

You are referring to sex, not gender. Please do your research. No, because I'm mentally stable enough to really not give a shit hahahaha. Now get off my bridge snowflakes

Yes you're right, the amount you're contributing to this thread really shows how much of a shit you don't give hmmm

Why does it bother you so

Because this thread is all about celebrating love and acceptance, not spreading bullshit propaganda against those who just want to be left to live as their best selves. "
No it isn't. The question posed was "Can we start celebrating the many shades in between the extremes?"

The extremes? Meaning male and female? These are not the extremes, just the only 2 options available. Anything else is just promoting mental illness with YOUR bullshit propaganda. No wonder kids are so confused and suicide rates are so high when they're being fed this kind of shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well, I prefer to work on this thesis;

If you're born with a cock, you're a bloke.

If you're born without one, you're a woman.

There, how simple is that!!

I cant be arsed to argue with you. But Trappist is a good name you will have as much sex as a monk with an attitude like that."

No change there then!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop... Given that gender is defined as a social and cultural construct... that’s nonsense. And stop littering the place with microphones!

No it's defined by genes, of which there are just 2 combinations

You are referring to sex, not gender. Please do your research. No, because I'm mentally stable enough to really not give a shit hahahaha. Now get off my bridge snowflakes

Yes you're right, the amount you're contributing to this thread really shows how much of a shit you don't give hmmm

Why does it bother you so

Because this thread is all about celebrating love and acceptance, not spreading bullshit propaganda against those who just want to be left to live as their best selves. No it isn't. The question posed was "Can we start celebrating the many shades in between the extremes?"

Did you actually read the rest of the post? Fat/thin, black or white, true Dom or fake Dom? I think you got triggered by ‘gender-fluid’, poured yourself a massive drink and ploughed in for a fight.

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By *hilliandspiceMan
over a year ago

Wimborne

"Well to be totally honest, in my book there are truly only two types of people.

Nice people and not nice people.

Anything else is just a matter of course.

And the thread is such a fine example of the above binary choice

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

" Anything else is just promoting mental illness with YOUR bullshit propaganda. No wonder kids are so confused and suicide rates are so high when they're being fed this kind of shit."

Mental illness lol.

Yeah, that'll help kids find themselves for sure.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

Non binary answers welcome."

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By *RnMrsFreakCouple
over a year ago

Hull,England

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop... Given that gender is defined as a social and cultural construct... that’s nonsense. And stop littering the place with microphones!

No it's defined by genes, of which there are just 2 combinations

You are referring to sex, not gender. Please do your research. No, because I'm mentally stable enough to really not give a shit hahahaha. Now get off my bridge snowflakes

Yes you're right, the amount you're contributing to this thread really shows how much of a shit you don't give hmmm

Why does it bother you so

The name of the thread is 'why is fab so binary'

I think you should read the question and not the bilge before the question.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop... Given that gender is defined as a social and cultural construct... that’s nonsense. And stop littering the place with microphones!

No it's defined by genes, of which there are just 2 combinations

You are referring to sex, not gender. Please do your research. No, because I'm mentally stable enough to really not give a shit hahahaha. Now get off my bridge snowflakes

Yes you're right, the amount you're contributing to this thread really shows how much of a shit you don't give hmmm

Why does it bother you so

The name of the thread is 'why is fab so binary'

I think you should read the question and not the bilge before the question."

That’ll be why you don’t understand the post Mrs F.

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By *RnMrsFreakCouple
over a year ago

Hull,England

"That’ll be why you don’t understand the post Mrs F."

You assumed my gender, How dare you, I'm so offended.

It's a cock or it's a fanny, there is no 3rd option.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

""That’ll be why you don’t understand the post Mrs F."

You assumed my gender, How dare you, I'm so offended.

It's a cock or it's a fanny, there is no 3rd option.

I assumed your title, I know nothing about you or your gender. Someone else had used ‘Mrs’ first and I’ve mentioned it about 4 times, so you’ve taken a while to notice.

The post isn’t really about biological sex. You’ve missed the whole point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop... Given that gender is defined as a social and cultural construct... that’s nonsense. And stop littering the place with microphones!

No it's defined by genes, of which there are just 2 combinations"

If you are on about chromosomes, there is XY, XX, and other such as XXY. I'm sure I've read about XXXY. In that case we can boil sex down to female and non-female. It doesn't matter how many Xs, as long as there is a Y "it" is non-female. This is the biology not self identification.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop... Given that gender is defined as a social and cultural construct... that’s nonsense. And stop littering the place with microphones!

No it's defined by genes, of which there are just 2 combinations

You are referring to sex, not gender. Please do your research. No, because I'm mentally stable enough to really not give a shit hahahaha. Now get off my bridge snowflakes

Yes you're right, the amount you're contributing to this thread really shows how much of a shit you don't give hmmm

Why does it bother you so

Many posters have ignored the idea behind your thread.

I would ask that 2020 bring about more tolerance of things we don't understand, rather than subjects be avoided (as that is never gonna happen).

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By *RnMrsFreakCouple
over a year ago

Hull,England

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop... Given that gender is defined as a social and cultural construct... that’s nonsense. And stop littering the place with microphones!

No it's defined by genes, of which there are just 2 combinations

Thanks you're makiing my point for me. In other words, you're either female or non-female, the rest is in your head

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""That’ll be why you don’t understand the post Mrs F."

You assumed my gender, How dare you, I'm so offended.

It's a cock or it's a fanny, there is no 3rd option.

There's intersex, a genetic anomaly.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop... Given that gender is defined as a social and cultural construct... that’s nonsense. And stop littering the place with microphones!

No it's defined by genes, of which there are just 2 combinations

You are referring to sex, not gender. Please do your research. No, because I'm mentally stable enough to really not give a shit hahahaha. Now get off my bridge snowflakes

Yes you're right, the amount you're contributing to this thread really shows how much of a shit you don't give hmmm

Why does it bother you so

Many posters have ignored the idea behind your thread.

I would ask that 2020 bring about more tolerance of things we don't understand, rather than subjects be avoided (as that is never gonna happen). "

It’s nice to see you back!

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By *RnMrsFreakCouple
over a year ago

Hull,England

""That’ll be why you don’t understand the post Mrs F."

You assumed my gender, How dare you, I'm so offended.

It's a cock or it's a fanny, there is no 3rd option.

There's intersex, a genetic anomaly. "

Well that word means different things to different people but yes there are always anomalies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""That’ll be why you don’t understand the post Mrs F."

You assumed my gender, How dare you, I'm so offended.

It's a cock or it's a fanny, there is no 3rd option.

There's intersex, a genetic anomaly.

Well that word means different things to different people but yes there are always anomalies"

" Intersex people are individuals born with any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, or genitals that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies".

There's the definition!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop... Given that gender is defined as a social and cultural construct... that’s nonsense. And stop littering the place with microphones!

No it's defined by genes, of which there are just 2 combinations

You are referring to sex, not gender. Please do your research. No, because I'm mentally stable enough to really not give a shit hahahaha. Now get off my bridge snowflakes

Yes you're right, the amount you're contributing to this thread really shows how much of a shit you don't give hmmm

Why does it bother you so

Many posters have ignored the idea behind your thread.

I would ask that 2020 bring about more tolerance of things we don't understand, rather than subjects be avoided (as that is never gonna happen).

It’s nice to see you back!"

Awww sucks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are just 2 genders. Everything else is psychological.

mic drop... Given that gender is defined as a social and cultural construct... that’s nonsense. And stop littering the place with microphones!

No it's defined by genes, of which there are just 2 combinations

You are referring to sex, not gender. Please do your research. No, because I'm mentally stable enough to really not give a shit hahahaha. Now get off my bridge snowflakes

Yes you're right, the amount you're contributing to this thread really shows how much of a shit you don't give hmmm

Why does it bother you so

Many posters have ignored the idea behind your thread.

I would ask that 2020 bring about more tolerance of things we don't understand, rather than subjects be avoided (as that is never gonna happen).

It’s nice to see you back!

Awww sucks

Shucks not sucks

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By *hav02Man
over a year ago

Glasgow/London

Part of it might be that just the options offered may not fit with individuals.

What does the passport office offer as their gender options these days?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Part of it might be that just the options offered may not fit with individuals.

What does the passport office offer as their gender options these days?"

Reply and quote if you're responding to a certain post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Non binary answers welcome."

Problem with non binary is 175 posts on a topic just wouldn't cover it. Can we stick with Yes, No, Maybe

Sort of a binary + evolution as all the bits that don't fit into simple binary require individual classification that will require reviewing before it is written.

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By *ezmanyorksMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

"Excellent and intriguing thread but I’m going to have to disagree with you.

What is evident here is that everyone has an opinion, rightly or wrongly, about what their thoughts are about binary categories.

Spelling mistake corrected. "

Excellent response and I agree wholeheartedly

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

Trinary?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Part of it might be that just the options offered may not fit with individuals.

What does the passport office offer as their gender options these days?"

Male/Female/Other.

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By *ezmanyorksMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

"I hope so. I doubt it.

Development is non linear, it isn't always progress, and I fear sometimes that acceptance in various forms only goes so far, and in some areas might even be taken away.

I apologise, but my views on the subject are fairly pessimistic. "

I would say realistic rather than pessimistic

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Non binary answers welcome.

Problem with non binary is 175 posts on a topic just wouldn't cover it. Can we stick with Yes, No, Maybe

Sort of a binary + evolution as all the bits that don't fit into simple binary require individual classification that will require reviewing before it is written.

Or maybe bin the classifications where possible and embrace a spectrum? Medicine has, why can’t swingers?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Non binary answers welcome."
no

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By *RnMrsFreakCouple
over a year ago

Hull,England

""That’ll be why you don’t understand the post Mrs F."

You assumed my gender, How dare you, I'm so offended.

It's a cock or it's a fanny, there is no 3rd option.

There's intersex, a genetic anomaly.

Well that word means different things to different people but yes there are always anomalies

There's the definition! "
Yes that does cover the physical anomalies but doesn't really cover the gender fluidic non-binary cult with their chosen pronouns crap however they would like to stretch it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""That’ll be why you don’t understand the post Mrs F."

You assumed my gender, How dare you, I'm so offended.

It's a cock or it's a fanny, there is no 3rd option.

There's intersex, a genetic anomaly.

Well that word means different things to different people but yes there are always anomalies

There's the definition! Yes that does cover the physical anomalies but doesn't really cover the gender fluidic non-binary cult with their chosen pronouns crap however they would like to stretch it"

You don't seem to understand that biology categories and gender self identification are two separate issues.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

""That’ll be why you don’t understand the post Mrs F."

You assumed my gender, How dare you, I'm so offended.

It's a cock or it's a fanny, there is no 3rd option.

There's intersex, a genetic anomaly.

Well that word means different things to different people but yes there are always anomalies

There's the definition! Yes that does cover the physical anomalies but doesn't really cover the gender fluidic non-binary cult with their chosen pronouns crap however they would like to stretch it"

How do you deal with non-binary people in real life? Do you just pretend they don’t exist? Or assign them a gender of *your* choice and insist on using it?

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By *RnMrsFreakCouple
over a year ago

Hull,England

"Non binary answers welcome.

Problem with non binary is 175 posts on a topic just wouldn't cover it. Can we stick with Yes, No, Maybe

Sort of a binary + evolution as all the bits that don't fit into simple binary require individual classification that will require reviewing before it is written.

Or maybe bin the classifications where possible and embrace a spectrum? Medicine has, why can’t swingers?"

There's only one spectrum medicine will see you on. Which is no co-incidence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Non binary answers welcome.

Problem with non binary is 175 posts on a topic just wouldn't cover it. Can we stick with Yes, No, Maybe

Sort of a binary + evolution as all the bits that don't fit into simple binary require individual classification that will require reviewing before it is written.

Or maybe bin the classifications where possible and embrace a spectrum? Medicine has, why can’t swingers?

There's only one spectrum medicine will see you on. Which is no co-incidence"

Sure about that?

Do you work in health care?

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By *RnMrsFreakCouple
over a year ago

Hull,England

""That’ll be why you don’t understand the post Mrs F."

You assumed my gender, How dare you, I'm so offended.

It's a cock or it's a fanny, there is no 3rd option.

There's intersex, a genetic anomaly.

Well that word means different things to different people but yes there are always anomalies

There's the definition! Yes that does cover the physical anomalies but doesn't really cover the gender fluidic non-binary cult with their chosen pronouns crap however they would like to stretch it

How do you deal with non-binary people in real life? Do you just pretend they don’t exist? Or assign them a gender of *your* choice and insist on using it? "

There are no non-binary people in real life, only in their own heads.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

People are social animals, so we can each influence the world that we share.

There are many aspects of human nature that aren't binary, nor fixed, including our opinions.

We often credit ourselves with being open-minded, so it's worth matching that belief with lots of welcoming to others to explore and learn, which often means that they need the space to make mistakes that they will learn from. If we're too hard on others, we're like the freezes of winter that suppress growth.

What's apparently blindingly obvious to each of us can take some time, motivation or circumstance, for others to see.

2020 vision - fuller spectrum

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People are social animals, so we can each influence the world that we share.

There are many aspects of human nature that aren't binary, nor fixed, including our opinions.

What's apparently blindingly obvious to each of us can take some time, motivation or circumstance, for others to see.

2020 vision - fuller spectrum"

Great post! Stealing that last line.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

How many labels are you looking for OP?

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

To me it is a snapshot of the world at a given time, others perhaps don’t t see the significance of a binomial distribution, and the need for stability for understanding .

Then again paradigms suck the soul out of me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"To me it is a snapshot of the world at a given time, others perhaps don’t t see the significance of a binomial distribution, and the need for stability for understanding .

Then again paradigms suck the soul out of me."

Most aspects of life are distributed in a bell curve. Very, very few things are truly binary. Stability has nothing to do with the nature of a distribution.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"How many labels are you looking for OP? "

See my earlier post about spectra. Not a fan of labels. Generally I find men are fascinated by them..’Am I gay or bi?’ ‘BBW or thin’ etc etc.

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"To me it is a snapshot of the world at a given time, others perhaps don’t t see the significance of a binomial distribution, and the need for stability for understanding .

Then again paradigms suck the soul out of me.

Most aspects of life are distributed in a bell curve. Very, very few things are truly binary. Stability has nothing to do with the nature of a distribution."

Disagree, the need for stability is what the brain craves, otherwise how would scientists exist, let’s create an un answered question and find the answer.

Same for sexuality, well for some.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Non binary answers welcome.

Problem with non binary is 175 posts on a topic just wouldn't cover it. Can we stick with Yes, No, Maybe

Sort of a binary + evolution as all the bits that don't fit into simple binary require individual classification that will require reviewing before it is written.

Or maybe bin the classifications where possible and embrace a spectrum? Medicine has, why can’t swingers?"

How wide is the spectrum, 7 billion so we can get individual? Or do we keep it more manageable which actually has the same restrictions as binary but more of them

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Non binary answers welcome.

Problem with non binary is 175 posts on a topic just wouldn't cover it. Can we stick with Yes, No, Maybe

Sort of a binary + evolution as all the bits that don't fit into simple binary require individual classification that will require reviewing before it is written.

Or maybe bin the classifications where possible and embrace a spectrum? Medicine has, why can’t swingers?

How wide is the spectrum, 7 billion so we can get individual? Or do we keep it more manageable which actually has the same restrictions as binary but more of them

I think you’re missing the point of a spectrum, as opposed to a series of labels..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"To me it is a snapshot of the world at a given time, others perhaps don’t t see the significance of a binomial distribution, and the need for stability for understanding .

Then again paradigms suck the soul out of me.

Most aspects of life are distributed in a bell curve. Very, very few things are truly binary. Stability has nothing to do with the nature of a distribution.

Disagree, the need for stability is what the brain craves, otherwise how would scientists exist, let’s create an un answered question and find the answer.

Same for sexuality, well for some."

Yep that’s just a bunch of semi-erudite words strung together with no actual meaning, logic or argument to them. I’m way too sober for this.

I would say, many of us crave change and variety. Particularly, I would suggest, swingers.

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"To me it is a snapshot of the world at a given time, others perhaps don’t t see the significance of a binomial distribution, and the need for stability for understanding .

Then again paradigms suck the soul out of me.

Most aspects of life are distributed in a bell curve. Very, very few things are truly binary. Stability has nothing to do with the nature of a distribution.

Disagree, the need for stability is what the brain craves, otherwise how would scientists exist, let’s create an un answered question and find the answer.

Same for sexuality, well for some.

Yep that’s just a bunch of semi-erudite words strung together with no actual meaning, logic or argument to them. I’m way too sober for this.

I would say, many of us crave change and variety. Particularly, I would suggest, swingers."

Agreed, a host of nominations of verbs. Happens.

Prefer verbs myself.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"To me it is a snapshot of the world at a given time, others perhaps don’t t see the significance of a binomial distribution, and the need for stability for understanding .

Then again paradigms suck the soul out of me.

Most aspects of life are distributed in a bell curve. Very, very few things are truly binary. Stability has nothing to do with the nature of a distribution.

Disagree, the need for stability is what the brain craves, otherwise how would scientists exist, let’s create an un answered question and find the answer.

Same for sexuality, well for some.

Yep that’s just a bunch of semi-erudite words strung together with no actual meaning, logic or argument to them. I’m way too sober for this.

I would say, many of us crave change and variety. Particularly, I would suggest, swingers.

Agreed, a host of nominations of verbs. Happens.

Prefer verbs myself."

See for me it’s the *quality* of the verb that’s of interest..

Otherwise we’re all just fuckers fucking..

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"To me it is a snapshot of the world at a given time, others perhaps don’t t see the significance of a binomial distribution, and the need for stability for understanding .

Then again paradigms suck the soul out of me.

Most aspects of life are distributed in a bell curve. Very, very few things are truly binary. Stability has nothing to do with the nature of a distribution.

Disagree, the need for stability is what the brain craves, otherwise how would scientists exist, let’s create an un answered question and find the answer.

Same for sexuality, well for some.

Yep that’s just a bunch of semi-erudite words strung together with no actual meaning, logic or argument to them. I’m way too sober for this.

I would say, many of us crave change and variety. Particularly, I would suggest, swingers.

Agreed, a host of nominations of verbs. Happens.

Prefer verbs myself.

See for me it’s the *quality* of the verb that’s of interest..

Otherwise we’re all just fuckers fucking.."

Met you, quality is part of the sapiosexual equation,dehydration was what fucked us.

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By *anDare70Man
over a year ago

kirkby

Intraspecific competition over sex is never going to be highbrow. It’s all about territory, advantage and contest.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Intraspecific competition over sex is never going to be highbrow. It’s all about territory, advantage and contest. "

You’re an ecologist. You should know damn well that sexuality comes in myriad variants. There’s shitloads of hermaphroditism in nature for a start..

I think I do now need a gin.

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"Intraspecific competition over sex is never going to be highbrow. It’s all about territory, advantage and contest.

You’re an ecologist. You should know damn well that sexuality comes in myriad variants. There’s shitloads of hermaphroditism in nature for a start..

I think I do now need a gin."

L asks have you had one.... she loves your sapiosexual attitude, so when was the last time you had one?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Intraspecific competition over sex is never going to be highbrow. It’s all about territory, advantage and contest.

You’re an ecologist. You should know damn well that sexuality comes in myriad variants. There’s shitloads of hermaphroditism in nature for a start..

I think I do now need a gin.

L asks have you had one.... she loves your sapiosexual attitude, so when was the last time you had one?"

Gin? About a week ago. I’m surrounded by the stuff post-Christmas..

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"Intraspecific competition over sex is never going to be highbrow. It’s all about territory, advantage and contest.

You’re an ecologist. You should know damn well that sexuality comes in myriad variants. There’s shitloads of hermaphroditism in nature for a start..

I think I do now need a gin.

L asks have you had one.... she loves your sapiosexual attitude, so when was the last time you had one?

Gin? About a week ago. I’m surrounded by the stuff post-Christmas.."

It is rather good(with a few bubbles) for a foreplay for either anal or vaginal sex..... now where do we start?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Intraspecific competition over sex is never going to be highbrow. It’s all about territory, advantage and contest.

You’re an ecologist. You should know damn well that sexuality comes in myriad variants. There’s shitloads of hermaphroditism in nature for a start..

I think I do now need a gin.

L asks have you had one.... she loves your sapiosexual attitude, so when was the last time you had one?

Gin? About a week ago. I’m surrounded by the stuff post-Christmas..

It is rather good(with a few bubbles) for a foreplay for either anal or vaginal sex..... now where do we start?"
that's me just running out for a bottle of gin now lol xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Non-binary answers welcome."

None binary is not the main stream. If you took the time to talk to people on the street in local bars or pubs. It's really not the main stream. It is mainstream in the world of Twitter, where writers of both tabloid and news articles spend most of their research on. You should see the uproar in the science section on other forums. It's not even in the notable thoughts in far east Asia and there have a 3rd of the world's population.

My point is if you are obsessed with social media it seems like it's everywhere but in reality, it's not.

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By *he chef 45Man
over a year ago

Banbridge

001000101 anyone fancy a bit of that binary message x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That looks like a Canadian phone number m8 lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""That’ll be why you don’t understand the post Mrs F."

You assumed my gender, How dare you, I'm so offended.

It's a cock or it's a fanny, there is no 3rd option.

There's intersex, a genetic anomaly.

Well that word means different things to different people but yes there are always anomalies

There's the definition! Yes that does cover the physical anomalies but doesn't really cover the gender fluidic non-binary cult with their chosen pronouns crap however they would like to stretch it

How do you deal with non-binary people in real life? Do you just pretend they don’t exist? Or assign them a gender of *your* choice and insist on using it?

There are no non-binary people in real life, only in their own heads."

And what about couples like yourself who swing then? Let's apply the same notion: the traditional idea of marriage is that a married couple should only have sex with each other. And yet on fab alone there are many interpretations of what a marriage is - both play, only wife plays, only husband plays, etc etc.

In this case you're not saying "well there's only two states: single or married and everything inbetween is bullshit". You and your missus or husband (I don't know which of the two I'm addressing) have chosen to define your relationship in a way that makes the both of you happy (and may I remark that nobody is giving you shit for it) just as people are allowed to define themselves in ways that make them happy, and that stretches beyond gender too.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

I have a word that covers most things... People.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Non-binary answers welcome.

My point is if you are obsessed with social media it seems like it's everywhere but in reality, it's not. "

I’ll take your word for it re social media. I’m reflecting on my real life experiences as don’t use Twitter, IM, Snapchat etc. So my real world experiences are clearly vastly different to yours. I’m not trying to invalidate yours, perhaps you could consider that your world is a lot smaller than you think? I could quote several examples of the Asian world having non-binary gender choices. Just look at the popularity of futanari in Japanese porn for a start. And maybe consider how many vast assumptions you’re leaping to before you post?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Intraspecific competition over sex is never going to be highbrow. It’s all about territory, advantage and contest.

You’re an ecologist. You should know damn well that sexuality comes in myriad variants. There’s shitloads of hermaphroditism in nature for a start..

I think I do now need a gin.

L asks have you had one.... she loves your sapiosexual attitude, so when was the last time you had one?

Gin? About a week ago. I’m surrounded by the stuff post-Christmas..

It is rather good(with a few bubbles) for a foreplay for either anal or vaginal sex..... now where do we start?"

Interesting. I have about seven bottles of the stuff so need alternative uses for it..

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Thanks you're makiing my point for me. In other words, you're either female or non-female, the rest is in your head"

Sex is defined by what is between your legs; gender by what is between your ears.

Millions of people in this country think there is a geezer up there in the clouds watching out for them.

It's all in their head.

But I'd never be so rude to call them mentally ill.

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By *ittlesub4uWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

Thank you so much Tigress Lily for posting this. I’m non-binary and I find fab is full of very intolerant voices but there’s also plenty of accepting people here too.

I wish there was a way to register my gender on here as I don’t want to mislead people and also want my gender/pronouns to be respected.

To the people with very set opinions on this subject. Please read into it a bit. You’re totally welcome to whatever opinion you come to but make your own rather than believing someone else’s.

Non-binary may be a new way of describing it but gender has been a diverse thing across the world throughout human history.

Using they/them as pronouns isn’t new and sure, it might be a bit uncomfortable at first but most of us aren’t bothered if you make the odd mistake, it’s the same as mixing someone’s name up! A little embarrassing but you move on and if someone made a big deal then thats way more about where they’re at than anything you’ve done wrong.

I can’t speak for all gender non conforming folk but that’s my 30 year old take on things x

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By *infonyCouple
over a year ago

Halifax

Let’s hope not, we’re happy with the way it is on here and the gender that Mother Nature assigned us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck it

If binary means....

Someone whorshiping my cock on their knees

I don't care how fluid they are

I will produce that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to studies using developmental theory almost 90% of the population tests, hold a worldview that dichotomises reality, quality/quantity, good/evil, straight/gay, right/wrong, with different types of characteristic ways of acting depending where they are on the continuum. This will continue until a significant portion of the population develop beyond a conventional worldview. Human evolution and its rate of development will determine how quickly that happens. The attempts to move in this direction haven’t succeeded yet and the polarisation we are seeing in the world are due to its failure. The current political focus can be seen as an attempt as a regression to pre-post modern thinking as a reaction to post-modernisms failure to achieve its aims

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By *anDare70Man
over a year ago

kirkby

"Intraspecific competition over sex is never going to be highbrow. It’s all about territory, advantage and contest.

You’re an ecologist. You should know damn well that sexuality comes in myriad variants. There’s shitloads of hermaphroditism in nature for a start..

I think I do now need a gin."

Totally agree. We are one of only three species with a triune brain hence the myriad but is still in large part driven by the mammalian and reptile brains. We just have the luxury of identifying so many other possibilities

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By *oft_SensualTV/TS
over a year ago

Yorkshire

I suppose because a) the site admin/owners/webmasters haven't particularly invested money into making it more acceptably open/diverse in terms of architecture b) most folks on here are pretty vanilla, which is fine c) there's an expectation that people will find alternative thrills on other sites...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"According to studies using developmental theory almost 90% of the population tests, hold a worldview that dichotomises reality, quality/quantity, good/evil, straight/gay, right/wrong, with different types of characteristic ways of acting depending where they are on the continuum. This will continue until a significant portion of the population develop beyond a conventional worldview. Human evolution and its rate of development will determine how quickly that happens. The attempts to move in this direction haven’t succeeded yet and the polarisation we are seeing in the world are due to its failure. The current political focus can be seen as an attempt as a regression to pre-post modern thinking as a reaction to post-modernisms failure to achieve its aims

What a load of Horlicks!

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By *oft_SensualTV/TS
over a year ago

Yorkshire

Sadly true!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Thank you so much Tigress Lily for posting this. I’m non-binary and I find fab is full of very intolerant voices but there’s also plenty of accepting people here too.

I wish there was a way to register my gender on here as I don’t want to mislead people and also want my gender/pronouns to be respected.

To the people with very set opinions on this subject. Please read into it a bit. You’re totally welcome to whatever opinion you come to but make your own rather than believing someone else’s.

Non-binary may be a new way of describing it but gender has been a diverse thing across the world throughout human history.

I can’t speak for all gender non conforming folk but that’s my 30 year old take on things x"

Thanks for this post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What does it mean when people say they aren’t “gender conforming” ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Far right ideology is back at the helm of Western politics. Which will unfortunately bring with it, all those old views and opinions on human sexuality and female reproductive rights. We are already seeing abortion and contraceptive access being striped in the US and if the last four years has taught us anything, it is that we are still not ready for nuanced thinking. I am not sure we ever will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am fairly new to Fab and very much the forum.

What has surprised and if I am honest disappointed me is the lack of tolerance.

I was rather hoping I had found somewhere that people were valued for who they are whether we agree with their lifestyle choices, views etc.

This is aimed at anyone in this thread or others just an observation.

And to those I undoubtedly annoyed I will go fuck myself!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What does it mean when people say they aren’t “gender conforming” ? "

I think....and if I'm wrong then please do correct me....that one does not conform to one gender ie, male or female and identify/change how they see themselves on any given day...?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What does it mean when people say they aren’t “gender conforming” ?

I think....and if I'm wrong then please do correct me....that one does not conform to one gender ie, male or female and identify/change how they see themselves on any given day...? "

The term can also be used to describe those who do not conform to gender stereotypes e.g. girls do this and boys do that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What does it mean when people say they aren’t “gender conforming” ?

I think....and if I'm wrong then please do correct me....that one does not conform to one gender ie, male or female and identify/change how they see themselves on any given day...? "

But what does that mean? I don’t get it. Femininity and masculinity are just ideas anyway. I don’t understand how feeling feminine means you’re a woman. And then you start feeling masculine then suddenly you think feel that you’re a man. Isn’t it normal for everyone to have variance in these things?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What does it mean when people say they aren’t “gender conforming” ?

I think....and if I'm wrong then please do correct me....that one does not conform to one gender ie, male or female and identify/change how they see themselves on any given day...?

The term can also be used to describe those who do not conform to gender stereotypes e.g. girls do this and boys do that."

Yes that’s what I thought. But does that really require a person to have their own separate gender just because they’re a Tom boy, or a lad who likes make up? I don’t think so. I think it’s actually sort of backwards to try and be so narrow minded as to say men and women can only be this one thing. (And if they aren’t then they must be put in one of these 78 newly invented categories)

I thought we were living in the new open minded era? Yet these ideas of boundaries and definitions for every minuscule difference is very old fashioned and limiting

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What does it mean when people say they aren’t “gender conforming” ?

I think....and if I'm wrong then please do correct me....that one does not conform to one gender ie, male or female and identify/change how they see themselves on any given day...?

I’ve been thinking about this as a result of working with people who are non-binary. I grew up in a world where toys weren’t gendered, children’s TV wasn’t nearly as gendered as it is now. I think kids and young people are MUCH more conscious of gender stereotypes than I was and maybe just realise it’s bollocks and don’t want to associated with those stereotypes. I totally agree with you - we all have ‘masculine’ and ‘feminine’ characteristics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Far right ideology is back at the helm of Western politics. Which will unfortunately bring with it, all those old views and opinions on human sexuality and female reproductive rights. We are already seeing abortion and contraceptive access being striped in the US and if the last four years has taught us anything, it is that we are still not ready for nuanced thinking. I am not sure we ever will."

This is no way near true. Far right ideology is ruling the west? Nooo way is that true whatsoever and I can confidently say that as a guy of non-western origin. Also the abortion issue is tied to religion, not to the far right.

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By *eviantdeeliteCouple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

Non binary answers welcome."

Doubt it...the forums are full of judgemental and hypocritical members

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Non binary answers welcome.

Doubt it...the forums are full of judgemental and hypocritical members"

I have a mental image of frowning and two faced penises now..

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By *ounty durham bbw coupleCouple
over a year ago

darlington

When agreeing to meet someone sexually surely folk have the right to know exactly who they are meeting how people identify is fine but finding only a particular type attractive is also fine

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By *eviantdeeliteCouple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"This site seems dominated by TS / TV / CD/ men in knickers, it really does not needto do anymore

Seriously??

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By *eviantdeeliteCouple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Your thread just brought out the trolls as expected.

Trolls or just people with an alternative view? "

Nooo if your view is different you are seen as a troll and a troublemaker...heaven forbid you don't fit in with the generalised hypocrisy that is Fab

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By *iscreetfuncpl12Couple
over a year ago

Somerset

Reducing the debate on gender identity to left and right does not suggest nuance. Some radical feminists, not known for their populist right wing views, seem to be on the receiving end of much vitriol from parts of the trans community. The most interesting analysis I heard of the last election was that old fashioned notions of left and right were changing. There are many socially liberal right wingers, when it comes to sex and sexuality for example, and conversely, many socially conservative but left leaning people too. I socialise with many gay men who are almost all right wing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Although this is true and reflects common folks reality. Unfortunately these incredible people you speak of are not dictating policy.

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

Radical feminists are often TERFs and its not surprising they are on the receiving end of criticism from parts of the trans community.We've had this debate in a separate forum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just wanted to thank the OP for the thread and her posts. You have an enviable turn of phrase and an exemplary attitude. Happy New year

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