FabSwingers.com forum: Straight or Bi?

By *ushJoy OP Woman
over a year ago

home, berkshire

Why do men say they are straight but have sex with TV’s?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are clearly not straight, no matter how much they want to convince themselves, it is gay sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No idea. Maybe they see feminine qualities in them but fantasise about sexual acts they havent done before?

I doubt you'll get an answer for everyone...men form a sizeable proportion of the planet!

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By *hangerMan
over a year ago

brighton

Loads of guys message me for meets, but say they are straight in their profile and I am not a TV or even a cd!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I often wonder why what other people do bothers some people so much.

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By *lorious hole bs16Man
over a year ago

Bristol

Covering all bets...If they say they are bi, a significant number of women will either block them or wont be interested for a number of reasons..

I totally understand it, but why they show verifications from tv/ts or men baffles me..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People are capable of having sex with people they’re not attracted to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I often wonder why what other people do bothers some people so much. "

This

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By *hank you sirMan
over a year ago

colchester

See I've never even been remotely attracted to guys, and never even been curious enough to kiss a man. But then sometimes I see a TV and think she's quite hot.

You do the whole "if she was a woman" thing in your head, it's a confusing time to be a straight man

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By *ushJoy OP Woman
over a year ago

home, berkshire

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By *ushJoy OP Woman
over a year ago

home, berkshire

Who said it bothers them? It is something I have seen so many times on here and hoped to understand something I wasn’t clear about. Surely the forum is about asking questions?

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By * and R cple4Couple
over a year ago

swansea

"See I've never even been remotely attracted to guys, and never even been curious enough to kiss a man. But then sometimes I see a TV and think she's quite hot.

You do the whole "if she was a woman" thing in your head, it's a confusing time to be a straight man"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I met a guy not long ago, huge muscular type that didn’t have that he was looking for TVs on his profile and shows as straight. He wants to meet again but doesn’t want to do the whole verification thing. I do think guys that go with TVs openly would lessen there chances of meeting some women/couple’s

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By *lice AgainTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol

"Why do men say they are straight but have sex with TV’s? "

It is an utter mystery to me.

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

A lot of "straight" men are attracted and intrigued by the femininity of TVs. I've had sex with many of them and yes it is a "bi" act but the majority of those men have no desire to have sex with another (non TV) man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've often said the Fab sexuality descriptors really don't cut the mustard today. Yes, a lot of 'straight' guys will hedge their bets, but then there are a lot of people who can't adequately describe their sexuality on a linear straight-curious-bi-gay spectrum. Some weeks I can focus on nothing but bosoms, at other times I might be distracted by a gorgeous trans lady. 'Het

exible' perhaps? Just enjoying the moment? Agreed, this shouldn't be a thing but the unsaid stigma remains, I think.

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By *lice AgainTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol

"A lot of "straight" men are attracted and intrigued by the femininity of TVs. I've had sex with many of them and yes it is a "bi" act but the majority of those men have no desire to have sex with another (non TV) man. "

I don't think I'm feminine. Yeah, I've got the L spine curve and a high leg Q angle due to weird genetics, and I wear the clothes, but...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why are gay men not attracted to masculine women then? I really am not buying the whole intrigued by feminine image or that they are so in love with the feminine image they would do another male up the arse. Sorry no, they are on bi spectrum as a minimum. Please stop with all this delusion

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over a year ago

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

If you think you can define the entire human race as either straight, bi or gay then you're mistaken

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you think you can define the entire human race as either straight, bi or gay then you're mistaken

Very true! And variety is the spice of life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because a fair amount of single women won’t meet bisexual men. So they don’t want to narrow the odds of a meet down. The odds are pretty slim anyway. Let’s be honest single women and couple aren’t lacking in options on the single male front. There might not be a lot of quality but there’s certainly quantity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why are gay men not attracted to masculine women then? I really am not buying the whole intrigued by feminine image or that they are so in love with the feminine image they would do another male up the arse. Sorry no, they are on bi spectrum as a minimum. Please stop with all this delusion

Not all trans women are so easy to spot as trans.

My last bf didn’t know I was trans until I told him. By then he was so into me he didn’t care. It was only when reality caught up 7 months later that he found he couldn’t cope.

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By *hewifeandiCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

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By *he James gangCouple
over a year ago

NEWTOWNABBEY

"Who said it bothers them? It is something I have seen so many times on here and hoped to understand something I wasn’t clear about. Surely the forum is about asking questions? "

With respect, this topic has been done to death here. If you’re really interested search the forums and you’ll get an broader understanding but def not a definitive answer. We’re all different

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Why do men say they are straight but have sex with TV’s? "

Because the sex is fookin' fabulous!

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By *eith28Man
over a year ago

uxbridge

All just labels. Go with the flow. If you like it do it you don’t need to give it a name.

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By *hloevtTV/TS
over a year ago

norwich

It could be because we are an amazing Fuck!!

If I fucked every "straight" man that messaged me I would be a tad sore xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It could be because we are an amazing Fuck!!

If I fucked every "straight" man that messaged me I would be a tad sore xxx "

But very happy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not all trans women are so easy to spot as trans.

My last bf didn’t know I was trans until I told him. By then he was so into me he didn’t care. It was only when reality caught up 7 months later that he found he couldn’t cope.

I am not talking about trans, I am talking about TV and CD, many of which are opportunistic gay men dressing up to get sex, not because they are trapped in the wrong body x

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

If the two of them don't mind then why should anybody else really care

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By *etasubTV/TS
over a year ago

West of Newcastle-upon-Tyne

"Why do men say they are straight but have sex with TV’s?

Because the sex is fookin' fabulous!

Definitely fabulous with you Sara xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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i totally agree here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its the same as saying would a straight female be attracted to a muscular woman? Not a cat in hell's chance.

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By *ing_Wookie_RodeoMan
over a year ago

stockport wasteland

"I often wonder why what other people do bothers some people so much. "
this

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By *ing_Wookie_RodeoMan
over a year ago

stockport wasteland

"If the two of them don't mind then why should anybody else really care

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this too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are all different thank heavens, otherwise this sex milarky would get very boring very quickly. My take on the OP's question is a lot of 'straight' guys are attracted to Tvs for what they are but are not in tune with who they are themselves. That's not the Tvs fault but hey the world turns ..

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By *ing_Wookie_RodeoMan
over a year ago

stockport wasteland

You political mofos, we all here because we like different things, who actually cares why others do what the do. It's an open life style, there's to many questions for everything these days. Did you ever ask yourself why everyone is so different

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By *etite HandfulWoman
over a year ago

Chester

It means they are fickle or dishonest it depends how you look on it.

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By *ina JonesTV/TS
over a year ago

Caerphilly

Not all trans women are so easy to spot as trans.

My last bf didn’t know I was trans until I told him. By then he was so into me he didn’t care. It was only when reality caught up 7 months later that he found he couldn’t cope.

I am not talking about trans, I am talking about TV and CD, many of which are opportunistic gay men dressing up to get sex, not because they are trapped in the wrong body x"

LOL,opportunist gay men?

The vast majority of tv's I've met are bi and have female partners and I've met a lot over the years.

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By *tsonlysexCouple
over a year ago

bedford

We play as a couple and my partner is oral bi giving

But each straight guy has seemed to enjoy his attention

We won’t play and make it very clear on profile

So does this make these guys bi? Or are they just having fun?

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

"Why do men say they are straight but have sex with TV’s? "

Is it because they don't know how to lie consistently?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not all trans women are so easy to spot as trans.

My last bf didn’t know I was trans until I told him. By then he was so into me he didn’t care. It was only when reality caught up 7 months later that he found he couldn’t cope.

I am not talking about trans, I am talking about TV and CD, many of which are opportunistic gay men dressing up to get sex, not because they are trapped in the wrong body x

LOL,opportunist gay men?

The vast majority of tv's I've met are bi and have female partners and I've met a lot over the years. "

God damn opportunistic gays

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Majority are bi but not admitting it openly or to themselves.

Then there’s the minority that I think are pretty much straight but desperate or just not got the confidence to ask a women to do the things they ask of a TV: grim times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Majority are bi but not admitting it openly or to themselves.

Then there’s the minority that I think are pretty much straight but desperate or just not got the confidence to ask a women to do the things they ask of a TV: grim times."

Thank you for saying what most of us think

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By *oyo5053Man
over a year ago

Bridgwater

To categorise using dropdowns or tick boxes always presents problems because the choices are so linear..why not remove entirely and replace with a brief summary of preferences written by the poster explicitly stating who/ what they are looking for ..if this was placed right at the top of the profile it would get around the reluctance that some have in reading profiles !

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By *lorious hole bs16Man
over a year ago

Bristol

ffs get real.

this is a sex site..truth and honesty being a rare breed..

Secrecy/fantasy play quite a part in male sexuality(prob women too,tho I am not an expert in such)

Lots of men just want their cocks sucked and lots will not be fussy when the going gets tough...

Sexual behaviour and sexual identity are not always bedfellows...think prison; Many straight?? inmates will let another guy suck them off etc.

Orthodox gay men demanding people come clean about sexual orientation wont change things..

It doesnt have to be a big deal.

Just enjoy it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Majority are bi but not admitting it openly or to themselves.

Then there’s the minority that I think are pretty much straight but desperate or just not got the confidence to ask a women to do the things they ask of a TV: grim times.

Thank you for saying what most of us think

Probably more correct to say “on the bi spectrum” and it’s something of a fetish

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By *utterflyandArtificeCouple
over a year ago

Trowbridge

"I often wonder why what other people do bothers some people so much. "

This

????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ffs get real.

this is a sex site..truth and honesty being a rare breed..

Secrecy/fantasy play quite a part in male sexuality(prob women too,tho I am not an expert in such)

Lots of men just want their cocks sucked and lots will not be fussy when the going gets tough...

Sexual behaviour and sexual identity are not always bedfellows...think prison; Many straight?? inmates will let another guy suck them off etc.

Orthodox gay men demanding people come clean about sexual orientation wont change things..

It doesnt have to be a big deal.

Just enjoy it

If men like getting sucked off so much and dont care who by, why are gay men not allowing women to suck them off? I dont know any that allow it. You are just spouting a typical fantasy that straight men on the other hand do not care. Absolute rubbish, they are on bi spectrum as a minimum.

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By *ablohardMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I often wonder why what other people do bothers some people so much. "

This!!

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By *igertigerCouple (MM)
over a year ago

nr Letterkenny

"Why do men say they are straight but have sex with TV’s? "

Simply because they can...pointless post.

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By *lorious hole bs16Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"ffs get real.

this is a sex site..truth and honesty being a rare breed..

Secrecy/fantasy play quite a part in male sexuality(prob women too,tho I am not an expert in such)

Lots of men just want their cocks sucked and lots will not be fussy when the going gets tough...

Sexual behaviour and sexual identity are not always bedfellows...think prison; Many straight?? inmates will let another guy suck them off etc.

Orthodox gay men demanding people come clean about sexual orientation wont change things..

It doesnt have to be a big deal.

Just enjoy it

You see it as black and white, I dont.

We are not going to agree so leave it at that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because a fair amount of single women won’t meet bisexual men. So they don’t want to narrow the odds of a meet down. The odds are pretty slim anyway. Let’s be honest single women and couple aren’t lacking in options on the single male front. There might not be a lot of quality but there’s certainly quantity. "

This.....

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

TV are so sexy. I love to meet one sometime

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By *ust ClareTV/TS
over a year ago

Settlewick!

"Why do men say they are straight but have sex with TV’s? "

I've a slightly tongue in cheek explanation for this

https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/877648

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

"Why do men say they are straight but have sex with TV’s?

I've a slightly tongue in cheek explanation for this

https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/877648"

Clare, that is soooooooo funny

I'm going to comment on that thread and push it right back into the public domain for all the people that missed it the first time. But I'll do it in the morning rather than push it into the graveyard shift. It's truly brilliant

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By *une14Man
over a year ago

bolton

I’ve had more so called straight men than gay men over the years. I suppose discretion is always a key to it too.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

i recall a conversation some years ago with a colleague who worked in sexual health for the NHS.

One of the hardest groups to reach with health advice was closet gay and bisexual men in their 30s and 40s who were married to women.

I cannot remember the actual number now, but the estimated figure she quoted took me by surprise.

Essentially, gay and bisexual men who had sought to suppress their sexuality when they were young and tried to conform to societal expectations of heterosexual couplings.

By the time they reach their 30s and 40s, the suppression is beginning to tire and they begin to reach out secretly.

It's a hidden population, she said, which made communication of health messages about STI incredibly difficult.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Over the years many gay men have had straight relationships with women, even settling down and having families for fear of abuse and persecution but when they finally come out, they’re accepted as gay, they spent years having straight sex with women yet we’re not attracted to them at all but they’re not bi.

So a straight man could have sex with another man despite no attraction given enough motivation

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By *reedy_for_funCouple
over a year ago

My House

"I often wonder why what other people do bothers some people so much. "

THIS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s because they are actually bi and don’t want to put it in their profile because some straight couples/women won’t meet men who even show any hint of bisexuality. It’s basically playing the percentages. It’s sad that it happens.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's because sexual orientation has three components.

Attraction

Behaviour

Self Identification

You basically need to have at least two of these aspects to be effectively pigeon holed.

In the case you describe the behaviour is present, but not Attraction or Self Identification.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"It's because sexual orientation has three components.

Attraction

Behaviour

Self Identification

You basically need to have at least two of these aspects to be effectively pigeon holed.

In the case you describe the behaviour is present, but not Attraction or Self Identification. "

Very well put

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fab straight

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"Fab straight "

It's a real thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A man could be gay or bi but never act on that orientation. According to the experts on fab that person is straight.

A man might enjoy the variety or rebellious nature of same sex interaction without actually being attracted to other men or identify as being bi. People who don't understand this think of them as bi but dishonest about their sexuality.

I am on fab guys and there are a large number of profiles where men are interested in the cock of another man and nothing else. The thought of kissing another man disgusts them.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

Also it is perfectly possible to have sex with someone that you're not sexually attracted to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also it is perfectly possible to have sex with someone that you're not sexually attracted to"

I'm genuinely bi but I come across it so often that it has to be a thing.

What amazes me is the number of people who aren't bi, don't meet bi people, aren't on fab guys or go to bi nights at clubs, aren't psychologists, but are somehow experts on bisexuality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A man could be gay or bi but never act on that orientation. According to the experts on fab that person is straight.

I am on fab guys and there are a large number of profiles where men are interested in the cock of another man and nothing else. The thought of kissing another man disgusts them."

I see that a lot on here about men liking just the cock but nothing else, therefore they cannot be bi or homosexual.....

To me nothing can get MORE bisexual or homosexual than being attracted to THE epitome of a man, his penis. You never hear gay men saying they just like a vagina....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've often said the Fab sexuality descriptors really don't cut the mustard today. Yes, a lot of 'straight' guys will hedge their bets, but then there are a lot of people who can't adequately describe their sexuality on a linear straight-curious-bi-gay spectrum. Some weeks I can focus on nothing but bosoms, at other times I might be distracted by a gorgeous trans lady. 'Het

exible' perhaps? Just enjoying the moment? Agreed, this shouldn't be a thing but the unsaid stigma remains, I think."

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By *DW1983Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen, Leeds, Sheffield

I agree that the whole "TV/TS" description doesn't cut the mustard these days, not helped by the fact that there seem to be some very closed-minded or bigoted attitudes in some quarters, along with a lack of understanding between the difference between tv/cd (guy who dresses as a woman) and ts (someone who was one gender but has transitioned to the other).

In terms of my own preference, I'm straight, in that I like women. I would date a trans woman, if I found her attractive, interesting, feminine, etc - in other words, everything I'd look for in any other woman. Whether she has a penis or has had surgery, is pretty irrelevant I think, if it got to the point that I liked her enough to want to be intimate with her.

By the same token, I would never date a trans man (MtF), who, by a lot of people's definition would still be a woman by virtue of still having a pussy, because I have no interest in men, regardless of genitalia. Likewise, I have no desire to play with men who dress in womens clothes, no matter how many times I get messages on here from guys telling me how good they look, or assuming I'm single and desperate to get sucked so will make an exception for a fat bald old man. Nor, for that matter, would I date a masculine woman, just doesn't do it for me.

I'm sure I'll get replies telling me that I'm "closet bi" or other such things, and if that's what you want to say or think, carry on, at the end of the day, live and let live, if it's doing you no harm, what does it matter what label someone chooses?

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By *voryforebonyMan
over a year ago

boogie town

"Why do men say they are straight but have sex with TV’s? "

Fab straight... Didn't you know it existed?

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By *voryforebonyMan
over a year ago

boogie town

"Also it is perfectly possible to have sex with someone that you're not sexually attracted to"

Ask a multitude of married people across the land...

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By *exyangietgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

edinburgh

"Why do men say they are straight but have sex with TV’s? "

Because they don't want others to know that they're not straight? Because we girls like to project extremely feminine sexuality? Because we love wearing sexy lingerie, nylons etc?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree that the whole "TV/TS" description doesn't cut the mustard these days, not helped by the fact that there seem to be some very closed-minded or bigoted attitudes in some quarters, along with a lack of understanding between the difference between tv/cd (guy who dresses as a woman) and ts (someone who was one gender but has transitioned to the other).

Excellent, thoughtful reply. Couldn’t agree more.

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

This subject in one form or another comes up every day, get over it as it's just sex after all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What amazes me is the number of people who aren't bi, don't meet bi people, aren't on fab guys or go to bi nights at clubs, aren't psychologists, but are somehow experts on bisexuality. "

It amazes me too

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By *aimeSmithTV/TS
over a year ago

Cliss

"Why do men say they are straight but have sex with TV’s? "

I always take it as a compliment xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A man could be gay or bi but never act on that orientation. According to the experts on fab that person is straight.

I am on fab guys and there are a large number of profiles where men are interested in the cock of another man and nothing else. The thought of kissing another man disgusts them.

I see that a lot on here about men liking just the cock but nothing else, therefore they cannot be bi or homosexual.....

To me nothing can get MORE bisexual or homosexual than being attracted to THE epitome of a man, his penis. You never hear gay men saying they just like a vagina...."

A man's penis might be the easiest way to distinguish his gender, and I know it's hard to believe this on fab but there is more to a man than just his penis.

If you asked these men what they are looking for they will tell you someone where everything about them is a woman except that one organ.

If you presented him with a hairy 'bear' dressed in a leather cap and leather dungarees he'd probably run a mile.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

It's a blurry area.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a blurry area.

Exactly that. People are trying to apply binary logic to an analogue spectrum. It doesn't work.

Perhaps there should be a checkbox that says "Explained in My Profile" or "Other"...

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By *ady23Woman
over a year ago

Coventry

"Why do men say they are straight but have sex with TV’s? "

Hmmm that always made me wonder

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By *hewifeandiCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Confused maybe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some people like fries, some like milkshake. Some like to dip fries into the milkshake but only occasionally...... I have no idea where I’m going with this I’m just hungry

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over a year ago

"A man could be gay or bi but never act on that orientation. According to the experts on fab that person is straight.

I am on fab guys and there are a large number of profiles where men are interested in the cock of another man and nothing else. The thought of kissing another man disgusts them.

I see that a lot on here about men liking just the cock but nothing else, therefore they cannot be bi or homosexual.....

To me nothing can get MORE bisexual or homosexual than being attracted to THE epitome of a man, his penis. You never hear gay men saying they just like a vagina....

A man's penis might be the easiest way to distinguish his gender, and I know it's hard to believe this on fab but there is more to a man than just his penis.

If you asked these men what they are looking for they will tell you someone where everything about them is a woman except that one organ.

If you presented him with a hairy 'bear' dressed in a leather cap and leather dungarees he'd probably run a mile."

A genuine straight man would feel sick at the thought of sucking another mans penis just like fully gay men would with vaginas. It is deluded to call themselves straight, I am not buying it. They are on that bi spectrum somewhere as a minimum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Confused maybe

Fluid?

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By *hewifeandiCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Confused maybe

Fluid?"

Like it solid apparently

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"Confused maybe

Fluid?

Like it solid apparently "

It's usually solid, the fluid comes later

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over a year ago

"A man could be gay or bi but never act on that orientation. According to the experts on fab that person is straight.

I am on fab guys and there are a large number of profiles where men are interested in the cock of another man and nothing else. The thought of kissing another man disgusts them.

I see that a lot on here about men liking just the cock but nothing else, therefore they cannot be bi or homosexual.....

To me nothing can get MORE bisexual or homosexual than being attracted to THE epitome of a man, his penis. You never hear gay men saying they just like a vagina....

A man's penis might be the easiest way to distinguish his gender, and I know it's hard to believe this on fab but there is more to a man than just his penis.

If you asked these men what they are looking for they will tell you someone where everything about them is a woman except that one organ.

If you presented him with a hairy 'bear' dressed in a leather cap and leather dungarees he'd probably run a mile.

They don't comply with your definition of straight. They comply with theirs. It all depends where you place the boundary lines.

Your definition is a very traditional one. There once was a traditional definition of bisexuality that a bisexual person was comfortable having an emotional relationship with either sex. Well these guys don't comply with that either.

Maybe this is the problem. We define things which don't match reality and then expect reality to change you fit their definitions.

So what about straight men who don't feel ill at the thought of sucking a cock? Are they now bi? Do you watch porn? Do you fast forward through the bits where the guy gets a blowjob?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Some people like fries, some like milkshake. Some like to dip fries into the milkshake but only occasionally...... I have no idea where I’m going with this I’m just hungry

The mayonnaise probably.

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over a year ago

"Some people like fries, some like milkshake. Some like to dip fries into the milkshake but only occasionally...... I have no idea where I’m going with this I’m just hungry

I wasn't hungry until I read this. Now I want Macky D. Thanks grrrrr!!!