FabSwingers.com forum: Why are there more CD or TV on site than ever before?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

Yes there is.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I think that it's great that they feel comfortable joining the site and being themselves.

We have no sexual interest in TV/CD ourselves, but that doesn't mean others don't.

More accepting society is of all people regardless of gender, sex, race etc the better.

Nita

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By *illie99TV/TS
over a year ago

Central Scotland

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

And how do you know that muscley guy with the toned bod doesn't have a secret little hobby and a second profile... Just saying

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By *imon_hydeMan
over a year ago

Stockport

Personally I don't think there's enough

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By *sername Bi CDTV/TS
over a year ago

Richmond, North Yorks and Kent

All the ones I've met have been fully functional men ??

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By * and R cple4Couple
over a year ago

swansea

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

And how do you know that muscley guy with the toned bod doesn't have a secret little hobby and a second profile... Just saying

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By *reenlanerCouple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"I think that it's great that they feel comfortable joining the site and being themselves.

We have no sexual interest in TV/CD ourselves, but that doesn't mean others don't.

More accepting society is of all people regardless of gender, sex, race etc the better.

Nita"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would hope it's because people feel more comfortable about being real when it comes to their preferences. I do like a nice TV/CD - who doesn't dress like my Aunty Gladys

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They need to go, all of them! Looking better than me in their outfits, amazing makeup and what’s the deal with the long legs and pert bums!! Not at all jealous

In all seriousness though, it’s great that the site embraces everyone as being equal and accepting of everyone

(Still jealous that I look less attractive than a lot of them though, lol)

Viv xx

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

'Love a real man'

That sentence right there that people use really pisses me off. Who are you or anyone to say what a real man is. You wouldnt know that most people are TVs if you met them in their day to day life. I'm sure if you met me then you would consider me your idea of a 'real man', day to day I'm a 6'2 tradesman with a stubble beard, shaved head and by all outward attitude and appearance, a pretty 'manly man'.

How we choose to spend our spare time and what clothes we choose to wear has no bearing on our supposed 'manliness', A woman may like to slob out and watch television to relax and escape from the world, I may like to become someone else for a little while, does the women laying on the couch in a mans shirt and joggers someone become less of a woman? Didnt think so

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By *oppet22TV/TS
over a year ago

huddersfield

Been on a long time I know it's not for everyone but there are some that do like

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

'Love a real man'

This 100% accurate AF

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They need to go, all of them! Looking better than me in their outfits, amazing makeup and what’s the deal with the long legs and pert bums!! Not at all jealous

In all seriousness though, it’s great that the site embraces everyone as being equal and accepting of everyone

(Still jealous that I look less attractive than a lot of them though, lol)

Viv xx"

Im with you here! They all have better bums than me! Bloody gorgeous

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By *rs Myvanwy Scarlet-BlackTV/TS
over a year ago

hot wife

And why can we not all be who we want to be if you not intrested in girls like me then just get on with who you are looking for its a site for all to have fun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They need to go, all of them! Looking better than me in their outfits, amazing makeup and what’s the deal with the long legs and pert bums!! Not at all jealous

In all seriousness though, it’s great that the site embraces everyone as being equal and accepting of everyone

(Still jealous that I look less attractive than a lot of them though, lol)

Viv xx"
viv you look beautiful and you have the most amazing eyes. XxX

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By *obyn GravesTV/TS
over a year ago

1127 walnut avenue

A real man...ha ha..that cracked me up..I think the op is on a wind up..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh no...here come the older members of Fab with their terrible opinions on things that make literally no difference to their lives again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like a poster above I also don't have sexual interest in CD/TV but others do.

With this being a swinging site it's great to see that the whole swinging community joins in and enjoys it together.

I love to look through their photos and fab the ones I like.

I don't agree with the "real man" comment though.

Just because during the day a guy is a 6'4 strapping builder doesn't mean he doesn't like to dress in stockings and heels in his spare time.(or most of the time)

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

I all for equal rights but....bit like saying I'm not a racist but!

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By *issmorganWoman
over a year ago

Calderdale innit

Each to their own,there is something on fab for us all

As long as it harms no-one then people should be free to do as they wish.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It does feel like this site is dominated by them, loads of profiles and loads of topics on these forums. Not my thing.

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By *issyfaggotfayeTV/TS
over a year ago

Bolton

How would you feel if I wrote a post about "I don't really like going for bigger women....."

We all have our sexual preferences but did you really have to stoop this low, particularly the upcoming PRIDE celebrations coming up?!?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"How would you feel if I wrote a post about "I don't really like going for bigger women....."

We all have our sexual preferences but did you really have to stoop this low, particularly the upcoming PRIDE celebrations coming up?!?

I have friends who are TVs and worked with colleagues and have a personal friend. who have gone through the whole process of changing to who they really are. I'm not anti anything. And yes everyone has their preferred genres, I'm just stating a fact. Like you say we all have freedom of speech, and make choices to be comfortable in our own skin. I'm not in the least bit meaning to hurt anyone. And apologise if it was interpreted in this way.

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By *roticGoddessXXWoman
over a year ago

Richmond

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By *roticGoddessXXWoman
over a year ago

Richmond

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

I feel your pain.

There seem to be far more than the single men for whom I am looking.

I'm all for equal rights but tbh I can't stand any competition, or anyone who might not interest me, and I am NOT interested in blonds in the slightest. WAHH.

Yes it's a swing site but honestly, what are your thoughts?

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By *illie99TV/TS
over a year ago

Central Scotland

"They need to go, all of them! Looking better than me in their outfits, amazing makeup and what’s the deal with the long legs and pert bums!! Not at all jealous

In all seriousness though, it’s great that the site embraces everyone as being equal and accepting of everyone

(Still jealous that I look less attractive than a lot of them though, lol)

Viv xx"

You need to point me in the direction of the ones who look better than you, they must be exceptional

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By *atietvsheffTV/TS
over a year ago

Sheffield

Never had a gay guy yet hot on Katie, 99% of men who send messages, want to meet and have met Katie are “straight married men” , none tell their wives they fancy a tv and after they have had their fun they go back to being “your husband”...... maybe it’s because their wives stop wearing lingerie, stockings, high heels, won’t suck and swallow and have more chance of sprouting wings and flying than doing anal....... just saying that the next time you look at your man you just never know??

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Never had a gay guy yet hot on Katie, 99% of men who send messages, want to meet and have met Katie are “straight married men” , none tell their wives they fancy a tv and after they have had their fun they go back to being “your husband”...... maybe it’s because their wives stop wearing lingerie, stockings, high heels, won’t suck and swallow and have more chance of sprouting wings and flying than doing anal....... just saying that the next time you look at your man you just never know??"

Surprisingly me too. Not a gay man in sight. Yet I love anal, I love swallowing and I wear stockings suspended and Basques. I wear the sexy underwear and go to the clubs, I'm single and been swinging far longer than you would think. Also we met on fab over 3 years ago - he was the married man - and we know everything we need to know to push our boundaries.

I guess the lesson here is never judge a book by its cover.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not very straight are they if going with TV, it is gay sex no matter how much they try to convince themselves otherwise. These ‘straight married men’ are either closet gay or closet bisexuals.

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By *roticGoddessXXWoman
over a year ago

Richmond

"Not very straight are they if going with TV, it is gay sex no matter how much they try to convince themselves otherwise. These ‘straight married men’ are either closet gay or closet bisexuals. "

And who really cares? Unless you are the kind to judge, live and let live. Fab is for everyone.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Not very straight are they if going with TV, it is gay sex no matter how much they try to convince themselves otherwise. These ‘straight married men’ are either closet gay or closet bisexuals.

And who really cares? Unless you are the kind to judge, live and let live. Fab is for everyone."

As the subject title states, I was curious why there were more on site. I admire that people have more confidence and are more comfortable to explore fab.

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By *roticGoddessXXWoman
over a year ago

Richmond

"Not very straight are they if going with TV, it is gay sex no matter how much they try to convince themselves otherwise. These ‘straight married men’ are either closet gay or closet bisexuals.

And who really cares? Unless you are the kind to judge, live and let live. Fab is for everyone.

As the subject title states, I was curious why there were more on site. I admire that people have more confidence and are more comfortable to explore fab."

Oh, I was just commenting on the previous comment, as to whether or not men are straight or not, regarding who they met.

My own opinion is that everyone over 18 has the right to be here, if they are not for me, I say hi and chat and that's that. Simple, really, right?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

My playmates dress up in outfits of my choosing. Sometimes they wear make up. Thing is: they're all straight, all over 6ft, fit alpha males, "high fliers" and REAL men!

There's also a world of difference between a cross dresser and a transgendered person.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I've been here 10 yeah or so and unsure if there are more, relative to other types of users, compared to years ago.

The site, as the world generally, is more tolerant of greater diversity compared to when I first joined, which is great. It's feasible that an increase in single men could also mean that some of them have a cross dressing profile too, as some of them like to dress. Trans life has gained far greater visibility in the last few years, which has given increased confidence to more people too Imo.

We can only speculate, without in depth research

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

Tgirls are swingers too, go to loads of clubs and have met some lovely people. Social and sex. Not everyone likes Tgirls but works both ways but doesn't stop us being friends. Not sure anything has changed over the last few years xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have nothing but admiration for them, they certainly know how to dress better than most women on here, including myself. Sexually I’m not attracted, but I can still appreciate a good pic and body

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thank you all for your input. It was just a general observation not meant to upset or cause hurt. It's great to have everyone's perspective.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

'Love a real man'

I became a little agitated at that initial statement too x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because peoples views have changed over the years.we evolve.during Victorian times it was risque to show a bit of ankle FFS! Times are a changing people so get used to it ??

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By *rkrisssMan
over a year ago

Berkshire

We're all just human at the end of the day. We all look different and lead different lives. We all have different preferences and we like what we like. The thing is... That's who we are, none of us have chosen ourselves!!! Which means, by default, it should be bloody mandatory for us all to get on!!!

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

Yeh too many guys dressed as women for my liking, should be a law against it.

Make them walk the plank.

Better still get a strap on and show em who's wearing the pants.

I'm bit partial to the odd hairy leg clad in fishnets. You can twiddle the hairs.

I think we should all dress as women, equal playing field.

Women lead the way in the sexuality stakes, men should aspire to them, in the swing world.

One guy I know used to imagine he was a female when fucking a lady, that's what turned him on.

Horses for courses.

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By *pertureTV/TS
over a year ago

New Ferry, wirral in stockings and sussies

because men no longer feel they have to conform to, outdated ideas of gender norms, your so called "real men are a dying breed and thank god for that.

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By *urabriteMan
over a year ago

stafford

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By *uciyassMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Because ladies underwear is far more easier to get and boxers just don’t look as good

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By *arrah Corset Jane FondleCouple
over a year ago

worcester

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

So TVs are not real men?

I can assure you I am a real man everyday, I have a da w full of stubble most of the time, dressing up is a kink that we enjoy now and then.

How can you class yourself as straight when you like girl on girl ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think dressing up and acting as a woman kind of takes away the claim of being an alpha male, a real man or a man’s man in everyday life otherwise. That is just my opinion even though it stirs the hornet’s nest

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"A real man...ha ha..that cracked me up..I think the op is on a wind up.."
Sadly I fear they're not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A real man...ha ha..that cracked me up..I think the op is on a wind up..Sadly I fear they're not."

She already explained and that she was not trying to cause offence. Too many of you want your pound of flesh.

I call a spade a spade me though and will happily say I like a real man, not one in all forms of androgyny which this site is flooded with.

To clarify I have anything against real transsexuals though as they are in trauma trapped in wrong bodies

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"A real man...ha ha..that cracked me up..I think the op is on a wind up..Sadly I fear they're not."

For a start it was merely curiosity. A genuine question why so many of you are on site now, I've been on for over 5 years and it's on the increase .

It's now getting out of hand. It was never about your sexual preferences.

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By *manaWoman
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Not very straight are they if going with TV, it is gay sex no matter how much they try to convince themselves otherwise. These ‘straight married men’ are either closet gay or closet bisexuals.

And who really cares? Unless you are the kind to judge, live and let live. Fab is for everyone."

Exactly this.

How would you feel if someone judged you for the colour of your skin or the size of your clothes?

It's my pet hate, judging people even more so when you dont know their story.

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By *un biguyMan
over a year ago

belfast

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

It’s exactly this attitude that I moved away from being a TV

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not very straight are they if going with TV, it is gay sex no matter how much they try to convince themselves otherwise. These ‘straight married men’ are either closet gay or closet bisexuals.

And who really cares? Unless you are the kind to judge, live and let live. Fab is for everyone.

Exactly this.

How would you feel if someone judged you for the colour of your skin or the size of your clothes?

It's my pet hate, judging people even more so when you dont know their story. "

I have been around gay and bi men 23 years, I am certain I can see the signs

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By *.nottsbloke..Man
over a year ago

the vale

"Not very straight are they if going with TV, it is gay sex no matter how much they try to convince themselves otherwise. These ‘straight married men’ are either closet gay or closet bisexuals. "

Let me go get my label maker

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A real man...ha ha..that cracked me up..I think the op is on a wind up..Sadly I fear they're not.

For a start it was merely curiosity. A genuine question why so many of you are on site now, I've been on for over 5 years and it's on the increase .

It's now getting out of hand. It was never about your sexual preferences. "

Welcome to the forums.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not very straight are they if going with TV, it is gay sex no matter how much they try to convince themselves otherwise. These ‘straight married men’ are either closet gay or closet bisexuals.

Let me go get my label maker "

Please do, nothing wrong with a label, it is a human thing

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"A real man...ha ha..that cracked me up..I think the op is on a wind up..Sadly I fear they're not.

For a start it was merely curiosity. A genuine question why so many of you are on site now, I've been on for over 5 years and it's on the increase .

It's now getting out of hand. It was never about your sexual preferences.

Welcome to the forums.....

My god, it like a linch mob.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A real man...ha ha..that cracked me up..I think the op is on a wind up..Sadly I fear they're not.

For a start it was merely curiosity. A genuine question why so many of you are on site now, I've been on for over 5 years and it's on the increase .

It's now getting out of hand. It was never about your sexual preferences.

Welcome to the forums.....

My god, it like a linch mob. "

Seems the same individuals and cliques doing it mainly. They do not bother me. I especially like their catch line ‘you have sealed your fate on here’. Goodness me.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"I think dressing up and acting as a woman kind of takes away the claim of being an alpha male, a real man or a man’s man in everyday life otherwise. That is just my opinion even though it stirs the hornet’s nest

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An alpha male? As a general rule, I tend to view anyone who uses that description for themselves or others as being potentially dangerous, and probably not well equipped for civilized society.

Mr Icebreaker

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By *issdanielleroseTV/TS
over a year ago

Doncaster

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By *issdanielleroseTV/TS
over a year ago

Doncaster

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

'Love a real man'

OMG This!?!?

so bloody right hun! Xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An alpha male? As a general rule, I tend to view anyone who uses that description for themselves or others as being potentially dangerous, and probably not well equipped for civilized society.

Mr Icebreaker"

Who said I agreed with alpha male? I am just repeating what I have read some men on here calling themselves when defending their cross dressing

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"A real man...ha ha..that cracked me up..I think the op is on a wind up..Sadly I fear they're not.

For a start it was merely curiosity. A genuine question why so many of you are on site now, I've been on for over 5 years and it's on the increase .

It's now getting out of hand. It was never about your sexual preferences. "
What's this you business? I'm not trans, nor a cross dresser. Happily, I'm not a narrow minded bigot either, though, and I'm quite happy to see people as they are, and to treat them with respect.

With respect to your five years experience, I've been around gay, isxual and queer communities for decades, and I haven't seen any huge increase in gender diversity, just changing attitudes that mean gender diverse people can be more open and frank about who they are, and how they feel and identify.

I get that you think you're trying not to be offensive, but you probably need to pause and think about how your words are experienced by others, and how your assumptions give you away. That 'you' as you assumed I must be gender diverse because I stood up for gender diverse people is a good example.

Mr Icebreaker

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From a personal perspective, I'm not sure why I joined tbh! I'm moving towards living full time as a trans woman. So to join a dating site as my male self would make me feel like a fraud. Most women have been hugely supportive to me but sexually I'm not what they are looking for (as you alluded to in your post, which I can understand too). I get more attention from men, but they tend to have an expectation that I'll do whatever they want just to get laid. But I'm not a piece of meat! So that leaves me rather confused. I stereotyped swingers to be the most open and therefore where I might be accepted I guess? It's not worked out that way but I'm sure with all of my hang-ups and worries I haven't made it easy either. Dunno! Lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

'Love a real man'

OMG This!?!?

so bloody right hun! Xx"

Blimey what a can of worms. Not once did I suggest anything about what you wear, what your sexual preferences are or any of the above. Taking it out of context and twisting words is awful. I stated my preference and ideology. We all have freedom of speech, and not once was I labelling or making assumptions.

It has now become a soap box!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is and maybe this is a escape from 'the vanilla judgmental world' im not bi or into cd/tv but live and let live. One thing i love on here is people can be/take-on whatever persona they want. I have a very good friend whos a manly man, he came out only afew months ago that he likes to dress as a woman and put makeup ect on behind closed doors. it was causing real issues as his wife found certain items, he had a chat with her and shes accepted it aslong as its behind closed doors.

I think now days its generally more accepted hes not gay or attracted to men in the slightest just likes dressing up, says its a comfort to him.

Each to their own, thou shall not judge.

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By *good-being-badMan
over a year ago

mis-types and auto corrects leads cock leeds

Can't say I've noticed an increase decrease or a status quo.

On my preferences it lists who I'm seeking and when I search thats who shows up, as couples tv/ts aren't listed in my searches no idea about numbers.. I concentrate my efforts energy on the folk I am interested in.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"From a personal perspective, I'm not sure why I joined tbh! I'm moving towards living full time as a trans woman. So to join a dating site as my male self would make me feel like a fraud. Most women have been hugely supportive to me but sexually I'm not what they are looking for (as you alluded to in your post, which I can understand too). I get more attention from men, but they tend to have an expectation that I'll do whatever they want just to get laid. But I'm not a piece of meat! So that leaves me rather confused. I stereotyped swingers to be the most open and therefore where I might be accepted I guess? It's not worked out that way but I'm sure with all of my hang-ups and worries I haven't made it easy either. Dunno! Lol"

Thank you for your honesty, it is lovely to hear from someone without the attitude. And I am thankful you understood my question the way it was intended. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A real man...ha ha..that cracked me up..I think the op is on a wind up..Sadly I fear they're not.

For a start it was merely curiosity. A genuine question why so many of you are on site now, I've been on for over 5 years and it's on the increase .

It's now getting out of hand. It was never about your sexual preferences. What's this you business? I'm not trans, nor a cross dresser. Happily, I'm not a narrow minded bigot either, though, and I'm quite happy to see people as they are, and to treat them with respect.

Mr Icebreaker"

I am sceptical about your claim of being around gay communities for decades as I have too as I am not straight.

What I have seen last handful of last few years is a dominant militant push into gay and bi men this gender bending and anti-masculine agenda.

It is at the stage where masculine gay and bi men are actively being hunted out and abused and lectured on gay apps and dating sites simply for being masculine.

In trying to give themselves equality, the femme males and gender bending males are becoming fascists themselves and actively attacking groups that do not fit them.

I used to be indifferent to them but my opinions have hardened and I am becoming resentful and annoyed with them. It is counter productive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think that it's great that they feel comfortable joining the site and being themselves.

We have no sexual interest in TV/CD ourselves, but that doesn't mean others don't.

More accepting society is of all people regardless of gender, sex, race etc the better.

Nita"

This is worded perfect .I have no interest in tv's at all but I'm totally accepting that in a club they feel comfortable in sexy lingerie and heels. Some ladies should take tips on how much effort they make as they look great . I've made some good friends in the club's with tv's and I'm totally cool with them been able to express themselves

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"A real man...ha ha..that cracked me up..I think the op is on a wind up..Sadly I fear they're not.

For a start it was merely curiosity. A genuine question why so many of you are on site now, I've been on for over 5 years and it's on the increase .

Mr Icebreaker"

I agree maybe my choice of wording was incorrect. I fully support gender diversity it was a positive thought and unfortunately was met by negativity. I have been around gay men and women all my life and perhaps the way it came over when I wrote the subject heading was insensitive, that was not how I would portray myself or for the conversation to take the course of which it has.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank you for your honesty, it is lovely to hear from someone without the attitude. And I am thankful you understood my question the way it was intended. X

I actually came back to delete my post. Lol. These forums can be rather brutal and, like you, I wasn't looking to offend anyone, just to give an honest view. Hope you find who you're looking for!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thank you for your honesty, it is lovely to hear from someone without the attitude. And I am thankful you understood my question the way it was intended. X

I actually came back to delete my post. Lol. These forums can be rather brutal and, like you, I wasn't looking to offend anyone, just to give an honest view. Hope you find who you're looking for! "

Well thank you, and I hope you find someone for you too. Xx

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By *etasubTV/TS
over a year ago

West of Newcastle-upon-Tyne

Used to CD and had some great fun meeting other TV's / CD's, men , couples and the occasional women. Definitely not for everyone but obviously only met those that were interested. Now usually meet as a sub male, again only with people who want to meet me and yes I have met "straight" malee.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"A real man...ha ha..that cracked me up..I think the op is on a wind up..Sadly I fear they're not.

For a start it was merely curiosity. A genuine question why so many of you are on site now, I've been on for over 5 years and it's on the increase .

Mr Icebreaker

I am sceptical about your claim of being around gay communities for decades as I have too as I am not straight.

What I have seen last handful of last few years is a dominant militant push into gay and bi men this gender bending and anti-masculine agenda.

It is at the stage where masculine gay and bi men are actively being hunted out and abused and lectured on gay apps and dating sites simply for being masculine.

In trying to give themselves equality, the femme males and gender bending males are becoming fascists themselves and actively attacking groups that do not fit them.

I used to be indifferent to them but my opinions have hardened and I am becoming resentful and annoyed with them. It is counter productive

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I really don't give a fig about your scepticism. I'm a queer man who's old enough to have campaigned, in Manchester, against the homophobia of James Anderton and the GMP. I've been having sex with men since before it was legal for me (I'm old enough to have been caught by the 21 agen of consent)and I haven't stopped yet.

I get that you're resentful and angry about alternative ways of being that you feel challenge your masculinity - for those of us who grew up in the era that spans Bowie to Boy George androgyny and playing with ways of being male or female or non-binary were everyday and non-controversial within the community.

I get that you think every critique of your way of being is an attack upon you, but I'm not actually attacking your gender identity or its presentation. I've fucked plenty of men who look like you, and my presentation in every day life is congruent with my sexual identity as a dom, top male. My support for gender diversity and for a diversity of identities is the logical conclusion of wanting others to let me be who I want to be, not of my identity or its presentation.

The fact that you perceive other people speaking up for their identities as an attack on yours is, frankly, something you need to think about, because other people aren't going to stop advocating for their identities just because you feel uncomfortable. The idea that other people can make you angry and resentful just by being them doesn't sound very healthy to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A real man...ha ha..that cracked me up..I think the op is on a wind up..Sadly I fear they're not.

For a start it was merely curiosity. A genuine question why so many of you are on site now, I've been on for over 5 years and it's on the increase .

Mr Icebreaker

I am sceptical about your claim of being around gay communities for decades as I have too as I am not straight.

What I have seen last handful of last few years is a dominant militant push into gay and bi men this gender bending and anti-masculine agenda.

It is at the stage where masculine gay and bi men are actively being hunted out and abused and lectured on gay apps and dating sites simply for being masculine.

In trying to give themselves equality, the femme males and gender bending males are becoming fascists themselves and actively attacking groups that do not fit them.

I used to be indifferent to them but my opinions have hardened and I am becoming resentful and annoyed with them. It is counter productive

I really don't give a fig about your scepticism. I'm a queer man who's old enough to have campaigned, in Manchester, against the homophobia of James Anderton and the GMP. I've been having sex with men since before it was legal for me (I'm old enough to have been caught by the 21 agen of consent)and I haven't stopped yet.

Oh wow. I think you have totally missed the point. I am not against people being themselves, you may have missed me saying I used to be indifferent. What I am against is a witch hunting of masculine gay and bi men which has suddenly started last few years, by those who scream for acceptance. It is double standards in the extreme. I think you need some fresh air

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

Just because there are lots of tv’s on the site doesn’t mean that your Rich has to shag all or any of them. Just concentrate on what you are looking for and let others do the same. You are free to ignore those who don’t fit your preferences.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

I agree, but that was not the question. Totally off target there. Obviously you don't read subject lines.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I don't see how it affects you in the slightest?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think your point about swingers being open could by why many have joined. In the hope of acceptance.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

I'm all for equal rights but tbh love a real man, with muscles in all the right places and nicely toned, and my Rich is NOT bi in the slightest. Yes it's a swing site and I'm partial to girl on girl occasionally, what are your thoughts?"
We are what we are. If you aren't the slightest bit interested in the likes of us you can always, go in the the next room and close the door behind you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

Don't worry about people putting words in your mouth. You know what you mean. People love to be irate and offended. X

I think some men may feel more accepted after being on here and decide to be open about wanting to cross dress. So maybe join as men then rejoin with a tv profile.

There's also the theory of men turning to men when women aren't available. Any sex is better than no sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

I agree, but that was not the question. Totally off target there. Obviously you don't read subject lines."

But your post doesn’t relate to the subject heading either does it. It comes across as a complaint that there are more tv’s than the “real men” which you are looking for. And because your Rich isn’t bi then they shouldn’t be here at all. That’s how I read it.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

'Love a real man'

Well said. You are definitely more manlier than most men I know.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"Not very straight are they if going with TV, it is gay sex no matter how much they try to convince themselves otherwise. These ‘straight married men’ are either closet gay or closet bisexuals. "
FACT.. going with a TV does not mean you are gay. You are bisexual. I find gay guys aren't the least bit interested in the likes of us. We are what we are take it or leave it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

Don't worry about people putting words in your mouth. You know what you mean. People love to be irate and offended. X

I think some men may feel more accepted after being on here and decide to be open about wanting to cross dress. So maybe join as men then rejoin with a tv profile.

There's also the theory of men turning to men when women aren't available. Any sex is better than no sex."

I am struggling with your last bit. I could understand if a man resorted to it as was in prison for life. But not otherwise.

I know of gay men who no matter how much they were starved of sex would not turn to women. So I struggle with straight men turning to men so easily, they are bisexual or homosexual no matter how much they try to deny it.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"Not very straight are they if going with TV, it is gay sex no matter how much they try to convince themselves otherwise. These ‘straight married men’ are either closet gay or closet bisexuals. FACT.. going with a TV does not mean you are gay. You are bisexual. I find gay guys aren't the least bit interested in the likes of us. We are what we are take it or leave it "
I'm bisexual... I Am Not GAY... Big difference

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not very straight are they if going with TV, it is gay sex no matter how much they try to convince themselves otherwise. These ‘straight married men’ are either closet gay or closet bisexuals. FACT.. going with a TV does not mean you are gay. You are bisexual. I find gay guys aren't the least bit interested in the likes of us. We are what we are take it or leave it "

I am referring to the closet gays who hate what they are and cannot accept it, so go with TV to at least part ‘normalise’ themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just the same as many women say that man on man makes someone less manly. People have all kinds of ridiculous opinions on this. A man is a man no matter what. What he does sexually or how he dresses does not take that away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not very straight are they if going with TV, it is gay sex no matter how much they try to convince themselves otherwise. These ‘straight married men’ are either closet gay or closet bisexuals. FACT.. going with a TV does not mean you are gay. You are bisexual. I find gay guys aren't the least bit interested in the likes of us. We are what we are take it or leave it

I am referring to the closet gays who hate what they are and cannot accept it, so go with TV to at least part ‘normalise’ themselves."

Most guys that want to explore that only want a feminine looking guy as they don’t fully fancy a masculine looking one. They want to try cock but still prefer the look of a woman.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not very straight are they if going with TV, it is gay sex no matter how much they try to convince themselves otherwise. These ‘straight married men’ are either closet gay or closet bisexuals. FACT.. going with a TV does not mean you are gay. You are bisexual. I find gay guys aren't the least bit interested in the likes of us. We are what we are take it or leave it I'm bisexual... I Am Not GAY... Big difference "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Two masculine hairy men having sex is more manly in my eyes than a straight man dressing up fully as a woman. Just my opinion though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Two masculine hairy men having sex is more manly in my eyes than a straight man dressing up fully as a woman. Just my opinion though

Not to many women it’s not. Going by past threads on here. Many women won’t meet a bi guy as they don’t look at him in the same way. They find them less masculine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

Don't worry about people putting words in your mouth. You know what you mean. People love to be irate and offended. X

I think some men may feel more accepted after being on here and decide to be open about wanting to cross dress. So maybe join as men then rejoin with a tv profile.

There's also the theory of men turning to men when women aren't available. Any sex is better than no sex."

That last sentence is the biggest load of nonsense I’ve read. If a man is straight then a herd of wild horses couldn’t make him have with another man. The idea that a sex starved man will have sex with another man just because he can’t find a woman to shag is ridiculous.

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By *ily Con CarneTV/TS
over a year ago

Cornwall

As a Trans person myself I just wish people would live and let live to be honest ...I was going to post a massive monologue about it all ...but..Meh I just can't be bothered really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We all like to get our rocks off one way or another! It’s a free site. So anyone one can use it!

I guess if you don’t like it jog on!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Different people have different preferences and more power to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There seem far more than single men or couples of whom we are looking for.

Don't worry about people putting words in your mouth. You know what you mean. People love to be irate and offended. X

I think some men may feel more accepted after being on here and decide to be open about wanting to cross dress. So maybe join as men then rejoin with a tv profile.

There's also the theory of men turning to men when women aren't available. Any sex is better than no sex.

I am struggling with your last bit. I could understand if a man resorted to it as was in prison for life. But not otherwise.

Perhaps gay or bi but in denial, yes.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

If there is an increase in tv/ts then they are still massively outnumbered by single guys and still outnumbered by couples.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Two masculine hairy men having sex is more manly in my eyes than a straight man dressing up fully as a woman. Just my opinion though

Not to many women it’s not. Going by past threads on here. Many women won’t meet a bi guy as they don’t look at him in the same way. They find them less masculine. "

Then that is their perspective, like others have their perspective of men in wigs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Two masculine hairy men having sex is more manly in my eyes than a straight man dressing up fully as a woman. Just my opinion though

Yes but as you can’t stand that we even exist, your opinions on diversity are hardly bias free now are they? I’ve met hundreds of guys like you in the scene and they never change. You mention resentment but try and handle four guys giving you a kicking because you pulled some guy, one of them was interested in. I really would look at your own attitude on acceptance. Amazing how, every time there’s a TV/CD thread, up you pop telling us that real men don’t like “trannies” and that there’s something inferior about our psychology.

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