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"So ye mean the men paying are desperate and the women are tight" Lololol I think it is called the law of supply and demand. | |||
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"So ye mean the men paying are desperate and the women are tight Lololol I think it is called the law of supply and demand. " And women complain about equality lol | |||
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"So ye mean the men paying are desperate and the women are tight Lololol I think it is called the law of supply and demand. And women complain about equality lol " It's not anything about equality, it's to do with, very few women and loads of men who want to go to Swingers clubs. It's quite simple, called business attract the ladies you get the guys  | |||
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"So ye mean the men paying are desperate and the women are tight" not tight.. just taking advantage of a situation in their favour. | |||
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"So ye mean the men paying are desperate and the women are tight Lololol I think it is called the law of supply and demand. And women complain about equality lol It's not anything about equality, it's to do with, very few women and loads of men who want to go to Swingers clubs. It's quite simple, called business attract the ladies you get the guys "Do you pay? | |||
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"its a very grey area in equality laws on day i think there will be a guy who challenges it legally and it may change the outcome..... nothing to do with supply and demand couples pay to go to clubs take the couples away and then the club collapses not single women " I don't want to fight to be in a place I'm not really wanted.. just my wallet is.. so I'll leave that battle to someone else. | |||
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"So ye mean the men paying are desperate and the women are tight Lololol I think it is called the law of supply and demand. And women complain about equality lol It's not anything about equality, it's to do with, very few women and loads of men who want to go to Swingers clubs. It's quite simple, called business attract the ladies you get the guys
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"its a very grey area in equality laws on day i think there will be a guy who challenges it legally and it may change the outcome..... nothing to do with supply and demand couples pay to go to clubs take the couples away and then the club collapses not single women I don't want to fight to be in a place I'm not really wanted.. just my wallet is.. so I'll leave that battle to someone else. " oh i agree should not be a fight it should be fair for all | |||
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"I wouldn't go to clubs without single men and I don't mind paying to get into places. " same here i go to clubs with hubs for single guys i avoid clubs with low limits for single men ..if there are no single men there then theres no point forme/us | |||
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"its a very grey area in equality laws on day i think there will be a guy who challenges it legally and it may change the outcome..... nothing to do with supply and demand couples pay to go to clubs take the couples away and then the club collapses not single women I don't want to fight to be in a place I'm not really wanted.. just my wallet is.. so I'll leave that battle to someone else. oh i agree should not be a fight it should be fair for all" It's a hard one. If clubs let every guy in then they'd be inundated with schlong. They exclude by wallet size.. which unfortunately doesn't improve the quality of men who attend.. if anything.. I'd argue it makes things worse. Most rich single men I know are complete tosspots. Most guys who've had to save up.. get a bit miffed when they realise what's going on. Which can lead to headaches for the owners, staff and other members. Bad publicity etc. I think if I owned a club, men would be invitation only. It's just as discriminatory.. if I dont like you.. you're not getting in. Perhaps if more clubs operated that way.. it'd improve the behaviour of men in general on Fab? I've never run a pub event, let alone a swingers nightclub.. so I'm probably talking out of my arse. | |||
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"So ye mean the men paying are desperate and the women are tight Lololol I think it is called the law of supply and demand. And women complain about equality lol " Women dnt make the rules. If you dnt like it dnt go. Simple as that. No one is guaranteed a fuck. Male or female. So if you are happy to pay go. If you arent DONT. Thats it really | |||
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"What I can never work out....if there are so many men willing to pay, then why club owners can't be a bit more discerning and only pick the cream of the crop...I speak from attending mixed evenings and reeling - in sympathy with my partner - at the number of out of shape aesthetically challenged blokes dressed in awful attire hoping for a fuck" so its only guys out of shape ?? needs to be carefully there no one should be stopped by there appearance ... ban out of shape men ?? then what out of shape women too ?? | |||
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"Anything that encourages more women & less men is necessary to create a balance of both sexes. I`d rather pay more than go to a cockfest." so more women less men = less choice for the women that do go ?? its hard enoght now some nights is 100% no go | |||
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"I speak from attending mixed evenings and reeling - in sympathy with my partner - at the number of out of shape aesthetically challenged blokes dressed in awful attire hoping for a fuck" How terribly frightful for you. Did you get some counselling? | |||
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"I go to a club a few times a year where they charge people like me £10 and the guys £20. I cannot speak for the guys, but I find it very very good value for £10. I am usually well satisfied by the end of it. "That's a big enough price difference to put me off. | |||
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"I speak from attending mixed evenings and reeling - in sympathy with my partner - at the number of out of shape aesthetically challenged blokes dressed in awful attire hoping for a fuck How terribly frightful for you. Did you get some counselling? " Yes, they said to avoid such venues and pony up for a better club...so I did, all it got us was men in better attire. | |||
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"Eh, men pay more to get into clubs, and women pay more for haircuts regardless of the style. There are grey areas everywhere. Suck it up, buttercups." it's not a grey area.. women pay more because it takes longer to cut a woman's hair.. generally. We're talking big sums of money for a man to go into a club just the one time.. membership fees are ridiculous. | |||
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"I speak from attending mixed evenings and reeling - in sympathy with my partner - at the number of out of shape aesthetically challenged blokes dressed in awful attire hoping for a fuck How terribly frightful for you. Did you get some counselling? Yes, they said to avoid such venues and pony up for a better club...so I did, all it got us was men in better attire." Their wallet was as flabby as their bellies? How peculiar. | |||
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"I wouldn't go to clubs without single men and I don't mind paying to get into places. same here i go to clubs with hubs for single guys i avoid clubs with low limits for single men ..if there are no single men there then theres no point forme/us" Tbf though, even if a club that fit say 200 in limited the amount of single guys to say 30, you're still going to get the rest on a full night made up of perhaps 30 single ladies tops and 70 couples, it's just the way it works. So you'd still be in your element as there would be as many men there as women at the very least. So no chance you'd miss the fun!
And to the OP, if clubs charged men less than couples they'd have to let the first small number of men in and turn the rest away.
Unless you wanted to go to a club where there were 10 or more men for every woman?
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"I wouldn't go to clubs without single men and I don't mind paying to get into places. same here i go to clubs with hubs for single guys i avoid clubs with low limits for single men ..if there are no single men there then theres no point forme/us Tbf though, even if a club that fit say 200 in limited the amount of single guys to say 30, you're still going to get the rest on a full night made up of perhaps 30 single ladies tops and 70 couples, it's just the way it works. So you'd still be in your element as there would be as many men there as women at the very least. So no chance you'd miss the fun!
And to the OP, if clubs charged men less than couples they'd have to let the first small number of men in and turn the rest away.
Unless you wanted to go to a club where there were 10 or more men for every woman?
B"no because i only play with single men i find men that are part of couples (not all) can be very entitled as they think being part of a couple gives them some kinda rights so i avoid | |||
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"I wouldn't go to clubs without single men and I don't mind paying to get into places. same here i go to clubs with hubs for single guys i avoid clubs with low limits for single men ..if there are no single men there then theres no point forme/us Tbf though, even if a club that fit say 200 in limited the amount of single guys to say 30, you're still going to get the rest on a full night made up of perhaps 30 single ladies tops and 70 couples, it's just the way it works. So you'd still be in your element as there would be as many men there as women at the very least. So no chance you'd miss the fun!
And to the OP, if clubs charged men less than couples they'd have to let the first small number of men in and turn the rest away.
Unless you wanted to go to a club where there were 10 or more men for every woman?
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no because i only play with single men i find men that are part of couples (not all) can be very entitled as they think being part of a couple gives them some kinda rights so i avoid "I've seen that. Almost as if it gives them a free pass. | |||
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"I speak from attending mixed evenings and reeling - in sympathy with my partner - at the number of out of shape aesthetically challenged blokes dressed in awful attire hoping for a fuck How terribly frightful for you. Did you get some counselling? Yes, they said to avoid such venues and pony up for a better club...so I did, all it got us was men in better attire. Their wallet was as flabby as their bellies? How peculiar. " Moral of the story...paying more for a better club, doesn't get you a better class of single male (LB excepted) ...and good looking slender males clearly baulk at having to pay what they're being asked to pay...the aesthetically challenged however... | |||
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"I speak from attending mixed evenings and reeling - in sympathy with my partner - at the number of out of shape aesthetically challenged blokes dressed in awful attire hoping for a fuck How terribly frightful for you. Did you get some counselling? Yes, they said to avoid such venues and pony up for a better club...so I did, all it got us was men in better attire. Their wallet was as flabby as their bellies? How peculiar. Moral of the story...paying more for a better club, doesn't get you a better class of single male (LB excepted) ...and good looking slender males clearly baulk at having to pay what they're being asked to pay...the aesthetically challenged however..."  | |||
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"Why is every event on here free to females but us males have to pay same as a couple????? " Its cloud control, would you want to go if it was all blokes? | |||
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"I speak from attending mixed evenings and reeling - in sympathy with my partner - at the number of out of shape aesthetically challenged blokes dressed in awful attire hoping for a fuck How terribly frightful for you. Did you get some counselling? Yes, they said to avoid such venues and pony up for a better club...so I did, all it got us was men in better attire. Their wallet was as flabby as their bellies? How peculiar. Moral of the story...paying more for a better club, doesn't get you a better class of single male (LB excepted) ...and good looking slender males clearly baulk at having to pay what they're being asked to pay...the aesthetically challenged however..." so who gets to tell you your good looking ????????? and its ok to come in ??? oh wait your over 50 forget it no stamina | |||
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"I wouldn't go to clubs without single men and I don't mind paying to get into places. same here i go to clubs with hubs for single guys i avoid clubs with low limits for single men ..if there are no single men there then theres no point forme/us Tbf though, even if a club that fit say 200 in limited the amount of single guys to say 30, you're still going to get the rest on a full night made up of perhaps 30 single ladies tops and 70 couples, it's just the way it works. So you'd still be in your element as there would be as many men there as women at the very least. So no chance you'd miss the fun!
And to the OP, if clubs charged men less than couples they'd have to let the first small number of men in and turn the rest away.
Unless you wanted to go to a club where there were 10 or more men for every woman?
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no because i only play with single men i find men that are part of couples (not all) can be very entitled as they think being part of a couple gives them some kinda rights so i avoid "Tbh don't know which tits you've had the misfortune to encounter, but all couples we've encountered together have been pretty respectful? And it's usually single ladies that initiate any play with us at all, we'd never approach them as such as they may be nervous by such advances? Though I must say most single ladies go about it the right way and ask us both if we're ok with them playing with us first, so no problems there. Even with that example given earlier though, taking the couples out of the equation as they balance each other out anyway, there would still stand to be 30 guys slots filled and 30 women at most. So you still wouldn't miss out, even if you ruled out the guys who were coupled up?
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"I wouldn't go to clubs without single men and I don't mind paying to get into places. same here i go to clubs with hubs for single guys i avoid clubs with low limits for single men ..if there are no single men there then theres no point forme/us Tbf though, even if a club that fit say 200 in limited the amount of single guys to say 30, you're still going to get the rest on a full night made up of perhaps 30 single ladies tops and 70 couples, it's just the way it works. So you'd still be in your element as there would be as many men there as women at the very least. So no chance you'd miss the fun!
And to the OP, if clubs charged men less than couples they'd have to let the first small number of men in and turn the rest away.
Unless you wanted to go to a club where there were 10 or more men for every woman?
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no because i only play with single men i find men that are part of couples (not all) can be very entitled as they think being part of a couple gives them some kinda rights so i avoid
I've seen that. Almost as if it gives them a free pass."Yep. Exactly that. | |||
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"Why is every event on here free to females but us males have to pay same as a couple????? " Ridiculous isn't it | |||
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"I wouldn't go to clubs without single men and I don't mind paying to get into places. same here i go to clubs with hubs for single guys i avoid clubs with low limits for single men ..if there are no single men there then theres no point forme/us Tbf though, even if a club that fit say 200 in limited the amount of single guys to say 30, you're still going to get the rest on a full night made up of perhaps 30 single ladies tops and 70 couples, it's just the way it works. So you'd still be in your element as there would be as many men there as women at the very least. So no chance you'd miss the fun!
And to the OP, if clubs charged men less than couples they'd have to let the first small number of men in and turn the rest away.
Unless you wanted to go to a club where there were 10 or more men for every woman?
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no because i only play with single men i find men that are part of couples (not all) can be very entitled as they think being part of a couple gives them some kinda rights so i avoid
Tbh don't know which tits you've had the misfortune to encounter, but all couples we've encountered together have been pretty respectful?
And it's usually single ladies that initiate any play with us at all, we'd never approach them as such as they may be nervous by such advances? Though I must say most single ladies go about it the right way and ask us both if we're ok with them playing with us first, so no problems there.
Even with that example given earlier though, taking the couples out of the equation as they balance each other out anyway, there would still stand to be 30 guys slots filled and 30 women at most. So you still wouldn't miss out, even if you ruled out the guys who were coupled up?
B"never said couples are not respectful i said some guys who are part of the couple are ...been doing clubs along with swinging best part of 25 years i guess we just know what we want and its %90 single guys  | |||
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"also we are down in the south west lol club night is lucky to be 50 people not 200 lol depending on clubs but lucky to get 10/15 couples ... 3 or 4 single women anywhere from 5 to 10 men lol" Sorry, missed this whilst I was typing, you quick fingered so and so! But the formula would still stand, couples equal each other out so if the number of guys was limited to the same as the number of ladies inside then the quota would still doubtless be filled. So you'd have lower amounts of both, but still an equal number of men there so you didn't miss out on fun! B | |||
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"I wouldn't go to clubs without single men and I don't mind paying to get into places. same here i go to clubs with hubs for single guys i avoid clubs with low limits for single men ..if there are no single men there then theres no point forme/us Tbf though, even if a club that fit say 200 in limited the amount of single guys to say 30, you're still going to get the rest on a full night made up of perhaps 30 single ladies tops and 70 couples, it's just the way it works. So you'd still be in your element as there would be as many men there as women at the very least. So no chance you'd miss the fun!
And to the OP, if clubs charged men less than couples they'd have to let the first small number of men in and turn the rest away.
Unless you wanted to go to a club where there were 10 or more men for every woman?
B
no because i only play with single men i find men that are part of couples (not all) can be very entitled as they think being part of a couple gives them some kinda rights so i avoid
Tbh don't know which tits you've had the misfortune to encounter, but all couples we've encountered together have been pretty respectful?
And it's usually single ladies that initiate any play with us at all, we'd never approach them as such as they may be nervous by such advances? Though I must say most single ladies go about it the right way and ask us both if we're ok with them playing with us first, so no problems there.
Even with that example given earlier though, taking the couples out of the equation as they balance each other out anyway, there would still stand to be 30 guys slots filled and 30 women at most. So you still wouldn't miss out, even if you ruled out the guys who were coupled up?
B"I'm sure you're a paragon of virtue B.. but on the group socials I've been on.. it's always the male halves of the couples that tend to cause a drama with one of the single women. You're not your average man on here though. You partake in the forum and you've an awesome partner who I doubt would let you behave that way. Not that i think you would anyway. I've not been to many clubs.. but the times i have, the same general rule applies. I'd be talking to a woman and then they'd try to come and whip her away from me mid conversation. I'm not alone in my view, a few single females I know have said same thing. Almost as if they're entitled to play.. because they brought a woman along with them.. swapsies. When we all know it doesn't work that way. Assholes come in all genders, shapes, sizes and marital statuses. I believe you witnessed someone elses other half behaving questionably not long ago? | |||
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"I wouldn't go to clubs without single men and I don't mind paying to get into places. same here i go to clubs with hubs for single guys i avoid clubs with low limits for single men ..if there are no single men there then theres no point forme/us Tbf though, even if a club that fit say 200 in limited the amount of single guys to say 30, you're still going to get the rest on a full night made up of perhaps 30 single ladies tops and 70 couples, it's just the way it works. So you'd still be in your element as there would be as many men there as women at the very least. So no chance you'd miss the fun!
And to the OP, if clubs charged men less than couples they'd have to let the first small number of men in and turn the rest away.
Unless you wanted to go to a club where there were 10 or more men for every woman?
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no because i only play with single men i find men that are part of couples (not all) can be very entitled as they think being part of a couple gives them some kinda rights so i avoid
Tbh don't know which tits you've had the misfortune to encounter, but all couples we've encountered together have been pretty respectful?
And it's usually single ladies that initiate any play with us at all, we'd never approach them as such as they may be nervous by such advances? Though I must say most single ladies go about it the right way and ask us both if we're ok with them playing with us first, so no problems there.
Even with that example given earlier though, taking the couples out of the equation as they balance each other out anyway, there would still stand to be 30 guys slots filled and 30 women at most. So you still wouldn't miss out, even if you ruled out the guys who were coupled up?
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never said couples are not respectful i said some guys who are part of the couple are ...been doing clubs along with swinging best part of 25 years i guess we just know what we want and its %90 single guys "And in the case of your particular wants being 90% single guys, your wishes are more niche than most, so GB or greedy girl events are probably more suited to your requirements tbf? B | |||
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"I wouldn't go to clubs without single men and I don't mind paying to get into places. same here i go to clubs with hubs for single guys i avoid clubs with low limits for single men ..if there are no single men there then theres no point forme/us Tbf though, even if a club that fit say 200 in limited the amount of single guys to say 30, you're still going to get the rest on a full night made up of perhaps 30 single ladies tops and 70 couples, it's just the way it works. So you'd still be in your element as there would be as many men there as women at the very least. So no chance you'd miss the fun!
And to the OP, if clubs charged men less than couples they'd have to let the first small number of men in and turn the rest away.
Unless you wanted to go to a club where there were 10 or more men for every woman?
B
no because i only play with single men i find men that are part of couples (not all) can be very entitled as they think being part of a couple gives them some kinda rights so i avoid
Tbh don't know which tits you've had the misfortune to encounter, but all couples we've encountered together have been pretty respectful?
And it's usually single ladies that initiate any play with us at all, we'd never approach them as such as they may be nervous by such advances? Though I must say most single ladies go about it the right way and ask us both if we're ok with them playing with us first, so no problems there.
Even with that example given earlier though, taking the couples out of the equation as they balance each other out anyway, there would still stand to be 30 guys slots filled and 30 women at most. So you still wouldn't miss out, even if you ruled out the guys who were coupled up?
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never said couples are not respectful i said some guys who are part of the couple are ...been doing clubs along with swinging best part of 25 years i guess we just know what we want and its %90 single guys
And in the case of your particular wants being 90% single guys, your wishes are more niche than most, so GB or greedy girl events are probably more suited to your requirements tbf?
B"so now i have to go to special nights lol ill keep doing what we are doing its worked for this long  anyway we've strayed off topic ....
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"I wouldn't go to clubs without single men and I don't mind paying to get into places. same here i go to clubs with hubs for single guys i avoid clubs with low limits for single men ..if there are no single men there then theres no point forme/us Tbf though, even if a club that fit say 200 in limited the amount of single guys to say 30, you're still going to get the rest on a full night made up of perhaps 30 single ladies tops and 70 couples, it's just the way it works. So you'd still be in your element as there would be as many men there as women at the very least. So no chance you'd miss the fun!
And to the OP, if clubs charged men less than couples they'd have to let the first small number of men in and turn the rest away.
Unless you wanted to go to a club where there were 10 or more men for every woman?
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no because i only play with single men i find men that are part of couples (not all) can be very entitled as they think being part of a couple gives them some kinda rights so i avoid
Tbh don't know which tits you've had the misfortune to encounter, but all couples we've encountered together have been pretty respectful?
And it's usually single ladies that initiate any play with us at all, we'd never approach them as such as they may be nervous by such advances? Though I must say most single ladies go about it the right way and ask us both if we're ok with them playing with us first, so no problems there.
Even with that example given earlier though, taking the couples out of the equation as they balance each other out anyway, there would still stand to be 30 guys slots filled and 30 women at most. So you still wouldn't miss out, even if you ruled out the guys who were coupled up?
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never said couples are not respectful i said some guys who are part of the couple are ...been doing clubs along with swinging best part of 25 years i guess we just know what we want and its %90 single guys
And in the case of your particular wants being 90% single guys, your wishes are more niche than most, so GB or greedy girl events are probably more suited to your requirements tbf?
B
so now i have to go to special nights lol ill keep doing what we are doing its worked for this long anyway we've strayed off topic ....
yes single women should pay "No, you don't have to ha, it's up to you both but the ratios there are likely to be more tipped towards the 90% mark that you hope for? B | |||
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" Moral of the story...paying more for a better club, doesn't get you a better class of single male (LB excepted) ...and good looking slender males clearly baulk at having to pay what they're being asked to pay...the aesthetically challenged however..." Every day is a school day | |||
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" Moral of the story...paying more for a better club, doesn't get you a better class of single male (LB excepted) ...and good looking slender males clearly baulk at having to pay what they're being asked to pay...the aesthetically challenged however... Every day is a school day "Only when self-appointed Headmasters drive into town. | |||
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" it's not a grey area.. women pay more because it takes longer to cut a woman's hair.. generally. We're talking big sums of money for a man to go into a club just the one time.. membership fees are ridiculous. " Key word there is 'generally', which is not what I said. How much money and time do men tend to spend in preparation for going to a club? On lingerie, waxing, makeup, manicures, etc? More than the extra £10 men have to pay to get in, I'd bet. | |||
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"So ye mean the men paying are desperate and the women are tight Lololol I think it is called the law of supply and demand. And women complain about equality lol " Stupid answer | |||
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" it's not a grey area.. women pay more because it takes longer to cut a woman's hair.. generally. We're talking big sums of money for a man to go into a club just the one time.. membership fees are ridiculous. Key word there is 'generally', which is not what I said. How much money and time do men tend to spend in preparation for going to a club? On lingerie, waxing, makeup, manicures, etc? More than the extra £10 men have to pay to get in, I'd bet." Absolute rubbish. | |||
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" it's not a grey area.. women pay more because it takes longer to cut a woman's hair.. generally. We're talking big sums of money for a man to go into a club just the one time.. membership fees are ridiculous. Key word there is 'generally', which is not what I said. How much money and time do men tend to spend in preparation for going to a club? On lingerie, waxing, makeup, manicures, etc? More than the extra £10 men have to pay to get in, I'd bet." it's up to you if you buy all that stuff of not.. I'd never expect a woman to do all that for my benefit. I'm not really a fan of lingerie or make up.. so sod paying the tax for it. It's not an extra £10 though is it? Maybe on the entry night. How much do women pay for an annual membership to be allowed entry into the clubs in the first place? At the bigger clubs it can be around the £200/300 region for men. Where women are looking at more like £40.. IF they have to pay it at all. I'm not paying double/triple/quadruple what a woman pays on principle.. regardless of the cost.. because its bang out of order. I'm worth more than that. | |||
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"What I can never work out....if there are so many men willing to pay, then why club owners can't be a bit more discerning and only pick the cream of the crop...I speak from attending mixed evenings and reeling - in sympathy with my partner - at the number of out of shape aesthetically challenged blokes dressed in awful attire hoping for a fuck" I personally wouldn’t want to go to a club where people were vetted before attending, we all have different tastes and what may be discerning to one could be unappealing to others As to entry charges I personally feel everyone should pay the same as I think it will stop guys feeling like they are entitled to action because they’ve paid more But that said when I’ve attended clubs and there’s been no limits on attendance I’d say they’ve beeb about 5% single females, 25-30% couples and 65-70% single guys, so I can see why they make it free for single women to entice more in & charge single guys more to deter some as they already have enough | |||
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"Why is every event on here free to females but us males have to pay same as a couple????? " So few females on here if you didn't subsidise females there would be even less females at events. It might not seem fair but if no females went to events then you would be complaining even more. | |||
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"Also another analogy that fits this whole supply and demand mode that some are struggling to get their heads around (whilst some do get their heads around it, but don't agree with it/ wish it were different this isn't the same as they do get the WHY) if house prices in say Motherwell were the same as London, do you think any would sell? Nope, they'd sit vacant, needing maintaining whilst their owners were denied the chance to move or cash in an asset they might need to. Or conversely if you could suddenly pick up flats in London's centre for 70k what might the outcome be? I imagine you'd get a fleet of landlords rapidly snapping up whole streets wherever they could and in not much time at all you'd have locals complaining that there was no place they could even hope of getting a foot on the property ladder? B" So sex is only for people who can afford to pay for it? | |||
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"I go to a club a few times a year where they charge people like me £10 and the guys £20. I cannot speak for the guys, but I find it very very good value for £10. I am usually well satisfied by the end of it. "I've wondered if a straight (not Fab straight, straight straight) single bloke turned up at a club wearing a frock and gets in for reduced T-girl rates, then de-frocks when he's in, would they charge him the extra? | |||
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"Also another analogy that fits this whole supply and demand mode that some are struggling to get their heads around (whilst some do get their heads around it, but don't agree with it/ wish it were different this isn't the same as they do get the WHY) if house prices in say Motherwell were the same as London, do you think any would sell? Nope, they'd sit vacant, needing maintaining whilst their owners were denied the chance to move or cash in an asset they might need to. Or conversely if you could suddenly pick up flats in London's centre for 70k what might the outcome be? I imagine you'd get a fleet of landlords rapidly snapping up whole streets wherever they could and in not much time at all you'd have locals complaining that there was no place they could even hope of getting a foot on the property ladder? B So sex is only for people who can afford to pay for it?" No, because as is frequently mentioned on the forums, visiting a swinging club should not be taken as a guarantee of sex. Sex is free outside of prostitution and always should be. What you pay for when visiting a swinging club is the environment. Besides which, sex itself is not merely limited to swinging clubs, far from it as the amount of sex that happens in them compared to the rest of the planet (or even just the UK for that matter) is infinitesimal. B | |||
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"Also another analogy that fits this whole supply and demand mode that some are struggling to get their heads around (whilst some do get their heads around it, but don't agree with it/ wish it were different this isn't the same as they do get the WHY) if house prices in say Motherwell were the same as London, do you think any would sell? Nope, they'd sit vacant, needing maintaining whilst their owners were denied the chance to move or cash in an asset they might need to. Or conversely if you could suddenly pick up flats in London's centre for 70k what might the outcome be? I imagine you'd get a fleet of landlords rapidly snapping up whole streets wherever they could and in not much time at all you'd have locals complaining that there was no place they could even hope of getting a foot on the property ladder? B So sex is only for people who can afford to pay for it? No, because as is frequently mentioned on the forums, visiting a swinging club should not be taken as a guarantee of sex. Sex is free outside of prostitution and always should be. What you pay for when visiting a swinging club is the environment. Besides which, sex itself is not merely limited to swinging clubs, far from it as the amount of sex that happens in them compared to the rest of the planet (or even just the UK for that matter) is infinitesimal. B" But if people were paying for the swinging club facilities/ environment, everyone would pay the same. Men don't use twice the amount of facilities.
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"Eh, men pay more to get into clubs, and women pay more for haircuts regardless of the style. There are grey areas everywhere. Suck it up, buttercups. it's not a grey area.. women pay more because it takes longer to cut a woman's hair.. generally. This isn't the case ... I have to pay a fortune because I'm a woman but have really long curly hair that isn't even blow dried! Takes on average 10 mins for a trim  I have now cut my own for years!
So agree if you don't like the price you pay just don't go! Not worth moaning about ...
We're talking big sums of money for a man to go into a club just the one time.. membership fees are ridiculous. " | |||
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"I wouldn't go to clubs without single men and I don't mind paying to get into places. same here i go to clubs with hubs for single guys i avoid clubs with low limits for single men ..if there are no single men there then theres no point forme/us Tbf though, even if a club that fit say 200 in limited the amount of single guys to say 30, you're still going to get the rest on a full night made up of perhaps 30 single ladies tops and 70 couples, it's just the way it works. So you'd still be in your element as there would be as many men there as women at the very least. So no chance you'd miss the fun!
And to the OP, if clubs charged men less than couples they'd have to let the first small number of men in and turn the rest away.
Unless you wanted to go to a club where there were 10 or more men for every woman?
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"Also another analogy that fits this whole supply and demand mode that some are struggling to get their heads around (whilst some do get their heads around it, but don't agree with it/ wish it were different this isn't the same as they do get the WHY) if house prices in say Motherwell were the same as London, do you think any would sell? Nope, they'd sit vacant, needing maintaining whilst their owners were denied the chance to move or cash in an asset they might need to. Or conversely if you could suddenly pick up flats in London's centre for 70k what might the outcome be? I imagine you'd get a fleet of landlords rapidly snapping up whole streets wherever they could and in not much time at all you'd have locals complaining that there was no place they could even hope of getting a foot on the property ladder? B So sex is only for people who can afford to pay for it? No, because as is frequently mentioned on the forums, visiting a swinging club should not be taken as a guarantee of sex. Sex is free outside of prostitution and always should be. What you pay for when visiting a swinging club is the environment. Besides which, sex itself is not merely limited to swinging clubs, far from it as the amount of sex that happens in them compared to the rest of the planet (or even just the UK for that matter) is infinitesimal. B But if people were paying for the swinging club facilities/ environment, everyone would pay the same. Men don't use twice the amount of facilities.
Sorry just trying to understand your analogy. "That is what people are paying for though. Mere sex itself may be the draw for some, but for a great many it's being able to socialise with, and indulge with, so many like-minded souls which a swinging club is likely to provide the environment for on busier nights. To draw another analogy with music and sex, I'm currently on a job ripping down temporary buildings after this year's Tomorrowland electronic dance music festival in Belgium. Tickets for that cost a bloody fortune! Yet over the 2 weekends the festival attracted between 400,000 and half a million people, so they're stumping up for it. And quickly too, once they're launched the tickets are all gone in a couple of hours, tops. Supply and demand. Like swinging clubs with sex, is it the only place one could listen to harder edged deep house, more ambient music or sought after drum and bass for example? Hell no. You could attend smaller gigs where the same DJs will mix, just not in such a large gathering of them and as many masses of other festival goers for a lot cheaper. You could even download their music or buy a CD and listen to it in your own home, car or on the move, saving a mint in the process? See, rather than merely listening to music, people pay extraordinary prices to listen to a much larger range, live, with a multitude of like-minded souls, in such an environment. Whilst not stipulating the gender gap, it does however show that when something is in extremely high demand, the price of it goes through the roof. The reason that men don't pay more than women at this event is because they don't have any more of a drive for such an environment. Whereas with swinging clubs women in general by their very genetic make up are the gender that often finds monogamy the most exciting arousing thing on the planet. It's in a man's biological urges much more not to. To spin things around I'd heard an interesting tale of a dating night before (now women ARE much more hard-wired than men to search for the elusive mecca of a relationship. Although it sounds an exaggeration of the truth, a man will all too often think "Ah, when I'm ready for one there'll always be a suitable woman for me knocking about, they're all desperate to settle down after all aren't they?" kind of like men being more interested in searching for sex than women. Women just know there will always be guys they can pick up in this regard with a click of their fingers as they're chomping at the bit so to speak - though the smarter ones know the quality won't always be guaranteed - and guys often think the same regarding women and relationships) that had a problem that a lot of dating nights, especially those more relationship orientated ones, have; attracting enough men to attend the bloody thing. The organisers sold tickets for the night at one price across the board and at the dawn of the event with less guys tickets sold and guys suddenly dropping out too, suddenly realised that what they had on their hands was the opposite of what many suggest about sex and swinging clubs; it was looking to be a complete fanny-fest. So what did they do? Visited a few nearby pubs, persuaded the most sober, in decent nick and approachable blokes to pop along, at a grand cost of fuck all to them for attending of course! The swinging club pricing strategy, simply in reverse. B | |||
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"i think its wrong myself .. single women should pay something in this day of equal rights cant have it all ways " | |||
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"If they charge men a fortume to get in, some men will feel they are owed something for their money. They will hassle women- demanding the fuck they paid so much for. If they charge men a small amount more men will go and the club will be overrun with cocks. " This.
Happened to us in a club.
One guy pestered us for twenty mins, then moved towards Vamp, stating “I have paid for the privilege, I am having some”.
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"I wouldn't go to clubs without single men and I don't mind paying to get into places. same here i go to clubs with hubs for single guys i avoid clubs with low limits for single men ..if there are no single men there then theres no point forme/us Tbf though, even if a club that fit say 200 in limited the amount of single guys to say 30, you're still going to get the rest on a full night made up of perhaps 30 single ladies tops and 70 couples, it's just the way it works. So you'd still be in your element as there would be as many men there as women at the very least. So no chance you'd miss the fun!
And to the OP, if clubs charged men less than couples they'd have to let the first small number of men in and turn the rest away.
Unless you wanted to go to a club where there were 10 or more men for every woman?
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"I wouldn't go to clubs without single men and I don't mind paying to get into places. same here i go to clubs with hubs for single guys i avoid clubs with low limits for single men ..if there are no single men there then theres no point forme/us Tbf though, even if a club that fit say 200 in limited the amount of single guys to say 30, you're still going to get the rest on a full night made up of perhaps 30 single ladies tops and 70 couples, it's just the way it works. So you'd still be in your element as there would be as many men there as women at the very least. So no chance you'd miss the fun!
And to the OP, if clubs charged men less than couples they'd have to let the first small number of men in and turn the rest away.
Unless you wanted to go to a club where there were 10 or more men for every woman?
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One such Sunday, we sat with another couple, and counted 80 single guys, 52 couples, and only noticed 4 ‘single’ women."Omg! As a single woman, I’d be petrified and run away haha | |||
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"Why is every event on here free to females but us males have to pay same as a couple????? " Because my naïve friend Men are the cash cows that keep the Swinging clubs going. Lookat it this way. The hens tooth of the swinging world is a female who genuinely loves the lifestyle and partying. Course she gets in free. its the incentive she needs. Next genuine swinging couples. Fairly common but most looking to be a foursome with other couples. Some are looking for singles but lets face it they are going to be very selective. they get charged a nominal fee say £20 £30 Now the single guys. You my friends are the bread and butter of every meet and event. In clubs you pay £80 to £100 and dint expect anything from that. Most will ignore you. you might get spoken to and might even get an invite. Unless you are at a greedy girls meet where you may find a couple of single greedy girls who take on all comers Some are paid to be there some not. Couples with a greedy wife will play but can be selective. there are simply too many males wanting to get into this. most think they will get quick guilt free sex. If that's the case you will be paying through the nose to find out its not gonna happen. Resign yourself to paying for the pleasure of going to clubs and parties. And rejoice in the fact you are keeping these places going for others IE Couples and single ladies to enjoy for little to no outlay. hell someone has to do it. Take one for the team with a | |||
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"Single women usually pay something, theres so many more single males attending, that they use a higher door price to control numbers and keep ratios right ish haha" They limit the number of males attending anyway so the idea of using price to control numbers is untrue. They hike process for guys to raise the profits. the men are keeping these places going by paying a higher price | |||
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" it's not a grey area.. women pay more because it takes longer to cut a woman's hair.. generally. We're talking big sums of money for a man to go into a club just the one time.. membership fees are ridiculous. Key word there is 'generally', which is not what I said. How much money and time do men tend to spend in preparation for going to a club? On lingerie, waxing, makeup, manicures, etc? More than the extra £10 men have to pay to get in, I'd bet." So you Spend *0 to £100 pounds to get ready for a night out? You must be rich to afford that much love. that's what blokes pay to get in these places | |||
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"Single women usually pay something, theres so many more single males attending, that they use a higher door price to control numbers and keep ratios right ish haha They limit the number of males attending anyway so the idea of using price to control numbers is untrue. They hike process for guys to raise the profits. the men are keeping these places going by paying a higher price" There is some truth in this too. However some clubs have quite a few nights where single guys can't attend. However they will still make money on these nights by charging everyone a little extra, as they know there are far more bisexual women in the swinging world than there are men? Therefore despite there being just slightly more women than guys there, the ratio works for everyone and less feel pestered/stalked which some complain of when there's a high amount of single guys present. B | |||
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"its a very grey area in equality laws on day i think there will be a guy who challenges it legally and it may change the outcome..... nothing to do with supply and demand couples pay to go to clubs take the couples away and then the club collapses not single women I don't want to fight to be in a place I'm not really wanted.. just my wallet is.. so I'll leave that battle to someone else. " 100% agree with you there mate. I am in this lifestyle because I enjoy it. Not because I am desperate. So I resent paying to subsidise a place for others to enjoy when I know I am pretty much going to be ignored and looked down on the single women and couples | |||
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"I’ve only been to a club a couple of times ( going again this week). I go for the single guys. I don’t want to meet females and so far, couples haven’t really been my thing. I’d hate to see single guys being put off!" I've never been to a club where there has been a shortage of single guys, even when the clubs are charging single guys HUGE amounts. If guys paid less though, there would be many more of them which would make it tougher for everyone. | |||
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"If they charge men a fortume to get in, some men will feel they are owed something for their money. They will hassle women- demanding the fuck they paid so much for. If they charge men a small amount more men will go and the club will be overrun with cocks. " No they wouldn't be overrun. they can easily limit the amount of single men. They do it anyway. Men are simply seen as a cash cow. if single men stopped paying the amount demanded these places would collapse | |||
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"We have been on the scene for several years now and attended nearly 30 clubs. The one thing that both ladies and couples regularly complain about is too many single guys. Especially when some of these guys just follow every female around the club on the off-chance that they may get some action. Guys who chat and have a laugh without expectations don't bother people, but these others scare away many ladies. Cal" Charging the men through the nose will not change that. if anything it raises the level of expectation. Would you pay the wrong side of £100 for nothing? I have actually asked clubs before attending about the Male ratio just to avoid the very thing you complain about. Only to be encouraged to come along as they have plenty of ladies and couples there to balance. So I go cough up to find far too many blokes. I cant even get near anyone to chat to them. So I worked out its nothing to do with balance. clubs work out how many punters they need to make a profitable night. They then see they have not enough couples so they work out how many single males they need in there to make up the shortfall its pure money making no more no less. Sooner or later they will run out of guys to fleece and then see them go to the wall | |||
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"As I say, if there are so many men willing to pay, why aren't the owners more discerning and choose the cream of the crop? (It would enhance the vibe if their venue)...It leads me to suspect that only those who are unfuckable are prepared to pony up." This is so far from the truth. Not only do a huge variety of men go to clubs, who would get to decide who is 'the cream of the crop', not all women like the same thing so that would be a huge balls up since the women who want something different will stop going. | |||
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"As I say, if there are so many men willing to pay, why aren't the owners more discerning and choose the cream of the crop? (It would enhance the vibe if their venue)...It leads me to suspect that only those who are unfuckable are prepared to pony up. This is so far from the truth. Not only do a huge variety of men go to clubs, who would get to decide who is 'the cream of the crop', not all women like the same thing so that would be a huge balls up since the women who want something different will stop going. " Given the choice...would you rather hump a slim, well presented attractive man....or an out of shape minger? | |||
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"As I say, if there are so many men willing to pay, why aren't the owners more discerning and choose the cream of the crop? (It would enhance the vibe if their venue)...It leads me to suspect that only those who are unfuckable are prepared to pony up. This is so far from the truth. Not only do a huge variety of men go to clubs, who would get to decide who is 'the cream of the crop', not all women like the same thing so that would be a huge balls up since the women who want something different will stop going. Given the choice...would you rather hump a slim, well presented attractive man....or an out of shape minger?" Some women don't like muscle men, some don't like slim men. Some prefer chubbier guys. Though I would imagine they're in a minority. Haven't encountered a woman who prefers unhygienic guys though, so maybe clubs could employ a "decider" on their doors who leans in and gets a right good sniff of the bloke in front of them. Each could then be guided either through the entrance of said club with a warm smile or told "I'm sorry Sir, but you'll have to take the Stink Lane as you honk a little?" This would be a cordoned off walkway that leads back onto the street and will be easily identifiable as the ground will be wet with tears? B | |||
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"As I say, if there are so many men willing to pay, why aren't the owners more discerning and choose the cream of the crop? (It would enhance the vibe if their venue)...It leads me to suspect that only those who are unfuckable are prepared to pony up. This is so far from the truth. Not only do a huge variety of men go to clubs, who would get to decide who is 'the cream of the crop', not all women like the same thing so that would be a huge balls up since the women who want something different will stop going. Given the choice...would you rather hump a slim, well presented attractive man....or an out of shape minger? Some women don't like muscle men, some don't like slim men. Some prefer chubbier guys. Though I would imagine they're in a minority. Haven't encountered a woman who prefers unhygienic guys though, so maybe clubs could employ a "decider" on their doors who leans in and gets a right good sniff of the bloke in front of them. Each could then be guided either through the entrance of said club with a warm smile or told "I'm sorry Sir, but you'll have to take the Stink Lane as you honk a little?" This would be a cordoned off walkway that leads back onto the street and will be easily identifiable as the ground will be wet with tears? B" Is P rubbing off on you?
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"As I say, if there are so many men willing to pay, why aren't the owners more discerning and choose the cream of the crop? (It would enhance the vibe if their venue)...It leads me to suspect that only those who are unfuckable are prepared to pony up. This is so far from the truth. Not only do a huge variety of men go to clubs, who would get to decide who is 'the cream of the crop', not all women like the same thing so that would be a huge balls up since the women who want something different will stop going. Given the choice...would you rather hump a slim, well presented attractive man....or an out of shape minger? Some women don't like muscle men, some don't like slim men. Some prefer chubbier guys. Though I would imagine they're in a minority. Haven't encountered a woman who prefers unhygienic guys though, so maybe clubs could employ a "decider" on their doors who leans in and gets a right good sniff of the bloke in front of them. Each could then be guided either through the entrance of said club with a warm smile or told "I'm sorry Sir, but you'll have to take the Stink Lane as you honk a little?" This would be a cordoned off walkway that leads back onto the street and will be easily identifiable as the ground will be wet with tears? B" This looks spot on. Can this “decider” also do a quick personality test because apparently some women think an entitled bloke is a bit of a twat, no matter what his BMI. Women, eh? | |||
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"As I say, if there are so many men willing to pay, why aren't the owners more discerning and choose the cream of the crop? (It would enhance the vibe if their venue)...It leads me to suspect that only those who are unfuckable are prepared to pony up. This is so far from the truth. Not only do a huge variety of men go to clubs, who would get to decide who is 'the cream of the crop', not all women like the same thing so that would be a huge balls up since the women who want something different will stop going. Given the choice...would you rather hump a slim, well presented attractive man....or an out of shape minger?" If the out of shape minger had a great personality, I'd be bouncing on his cock so hard his eyes would pop out. The slim attractive man with the bad attitude and chip on his shoulder could have a wank alone in a corner. | |||
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"Clubs are selling fantasy...not one woman I've ever taken to a club has ever said "I hope there's a fat Eric Morecambe look-a-like there tonight". There's usually a few." I think you’re perhaps taking things to extremes to justify your point. There are people in between those on the front cover of Men’s Health and those with halitosis and 20 stone overweight | |||
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Brilliant "P rubs off on me whenever the occasion presents itself. I don't mind.
But it's funny as I was only having a chat with Queenie yesterday and pointed out that as my previous incarnation as Bliss and as the probably less vocal half of ED (oh, I can and am known to be a forthright bugger, but P is...well, P) I have my own style of posting and P has hers, I tend to write with a sense of grace and decorum, approaching every topic no matter how ludicrous as if it deserves merit and attention even if on occasion my only goal is to subtly direct towards the conclusion that the poster is a bit of a plum tbh.
Whereas P tends to write a lot more randomly and her sense of humour is wonderful, but subtlety is a pointless tongue more often than not to her; a brick to the face is much more direct in getting a point across?
Though we have found ourselves morphing a little into an Exquisite Deviance collective being with each absorbing some attributes of the other... P has become a little bit more expansive and verbose in her reasoning of late. And I once found myself actually telling someone simply to "Fuck off"?
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"As I say, if there are so many men willing to pay, why aren't the owners more discerning and choose the cream of the crop? (It would enhance the vibe if their venue)...It leads me to suspect that only those who are unfuckable are prepared to pony up." and again are we going to do the same with the women you know the cream of the crop ?? or does that take away your choice ?? ie a lot of men like bbw i have nothing againt big men in fact id rather a bigger guy than one that think hes of a special select group | |||
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"I've heard some clubs employ escorts as "single women". Perhaps the fees cover their costs "those clubs openly advertise that fact | |||
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"The women are bait. They won't turn up if they have to pay. Then the men paying lots of money for the chance of a fuck will be pissed off and there will be trouble. " This is precisely why I won't attend any swinging event where women get free entry. I don't want to be bait and have to deal with men who feel entitled to play as they have paid a high entry price. Fortunately I mostly attend BDSM events where everyone is charged the same entry price. | |||
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"its a very grey area in equality laws on day i think there will be a guy who challenges it legally and it may change the outcome..... nothing to do with supply and demand couples pay to go to clubs take the couples away and then the club collapses not single women I don't want to fight to be in a place I'm not really wanted.. just my wallet is.. so I'll leave that battle to someone else. oh i agree should not be a fight it should be fair for all It's a hard one. If clubs let every guy in then they'd be inundated with schlong. They exclude by wallet size.. which unfortunately doesn't improve the quality of men who attend.. if anything.. I'd argue it makes things worse. Most rich single men I know are complete tosspots. Most guys who've had to save up.. get a bit miffed when they realise what's going on. Which can lead to headaches for the owners, staff and other members. Bad publicity etc. I think if I owned a club, men would be invitation only. It's just as discriminatory.. if I dont like you.. you're not getting in. Perhaps if more clubs operated that way.. it'd improve the behaviour of men in general on Fab? I've never run a pub event, let alone a swingers nightclub.. so I'm probably talking out of my arse." Not at all. My local club only allows vetted single men on certain nights so it is a tactic they use . There's also many guestlist only events where everyone has to be on the guest list to get in. | |||
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"I've heard some clubs employ escorts as "single women". Perhaps the fees cover their costs "As others have said when clubs do that they advertise the fact that some of the ladies have been paid to attend So changing the original posters question a little bit Would higher entry fees be justified if they knew they were guaranteed female interaction once inside? MrsB | |||
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"I've heard some clubs employ escorts as "single women". Perhaps the fees cover their costs
As others have said when clubs do that they advertise the fact that some of the ladies have been paid to attend
So changing the original posters question a little bit
Would higher entry fees be justified if they knew they were guaranteed female interaction once inside?
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"working girls have the rights to say no too ?? they are not meat ??" Exactly just because you’ve paid to get into a property dosent mean your getting any action | |||
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"As I say, if there are so many men willing to pay, why aren't the owners more discerning and choose the cream of the crop? (It would enhance the vibe if their venue)...It leads me to suspect that only those who are unfuckable are prepared to pony up. This is so far from the truth. Not only do a huge variety of men go to clubs, who would get to decide who is 'the cream of the crop', not all women like the same thing so that would be a huge balls up since the women who want something different will stop going. Given the choice...would you rather hump a slim, well presented attractive man....or an out of shape minger?" Honestly, I'd rather hump a man that's not a dickhead but the world is full of them so odds are some of them are going to be in the club. I don't find slim men attractive, I prefer athletic to muscly men, I also go to a dress down club so the well presented thing doesn't have as much impact since they are all mostly in towels. I know a very petite lady that only likes very large, hairy men, she would hate being surrounded by slim, well presented men. | |||
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"As I say, if there are so many men willing to pay, why aren't the owners more discerning and choose the cream of the crop? (It would enhance the vibe if their venue)...It leads me to suspect that only those who are unfuckable are prepared to pony up. This is so far from the truth. Not only do a huge variety of men go to clubs, who would get to decide who is 'the cream of the crop', not all women like the same thing so that would be a huge balls up since the women who want something different will stop going. Given the choice...would you rather hump a slim, well presented attractive man....or an out of shape minger? Honestly, I'd rather hump a man that's not a dickhead but the world is full of them so odds are some of them are going to be in the club. I don't find slim men attractive, I prefer athletic to muscly men, I also go to a dress down club so the well presented thing doesn't have as much impact since they are all mostly in towels. I know a very petite lady that only likes very large, hairy men, she would hate being surrounded by slim, well presented men." The well-presented thing still holds water to some extent even in a towel, with regard to manscaping of body hair (esp genitals) skin condition, nails being trimmed, beard shaped or shaved and most importantly body odour and general cleanliness (see my Sniff Decider post earlier)
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" I know a very petite lady that only likes very large, hairy men, she would hate being surrounded by slim, well presented men." So she'll be well catered for by the single males who are prepared to pony up at most clubs. But what of those couples that go to have a bit of Attractive MMF or Cuck action.. but are oresented with (mainly) outta shape no-hopers? Therefore, my theory still stands...I don't believe most club owners - Given the choice - would want to allow unattractive single males in...hence it must be that only munters are prepared to spunk up the high entry fee. | |||
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" I know a very petite lady that only likes very large, hairy men, she would hate being surrounded by slim, well presented men. So she'll be well catered for by the single males who are prepared to pony up at most clubs. But what of those couples that go to have a bit of Attractive MMF or Cuck action.. but are oresented with (mainly) outta shape no-hopers? Therefore, my theory still stands...I don't believe most club owners - Given the choice - would want to allow unattractive single males in...hence it must be that only munters are prepared to spunk up the high entry fee." There are plenty of very attractive men that go to clubs, this sounds like a serious case of sour grapes. Why are you being so disrespectful of men that go to clubs? It's really very unnecessary. | |||
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" I know a very petite lady that only likes very large, hairy men, she would hate being surrounded by slim, well presented men. So she'll be well catered for by the single males who are prepared to pony up at most clubs. But what of those couples that go to have a bit of Attractive MMF or Cuck action.. but are oresented with (mainly) outta shape no-hopers? Therefore, my theory still stands...I don't believe most club owners - Given the choice - would want to allow unattractive single males in...hence it must be that only munters are prepared to spunk up the high entry fee." And again I'll ask, who decides who is attractive or unattractive? | |||
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"I speak from attending mixed evenings and reeling - in sympathy with my partner - at the number of out of shape aesthetically challenged blokes dressed in awful attire hoping for a fuck How terribly frightful for you. Did you get some counselling? " | |||
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" I know a very petite lady that only likes very large, hairy men, she would hate being surrounded by slim, well presented men. So she'll be well catered for by the single males who are prepared to pony up at most clubs. But what of those couples that go to have a bit of Attractive MMF or Cuck action.. but are oresented with (mainly) outta shape no-hopers? Therefore, my theory still stands...I don't believe most club owners - Given the choice - would want to allow unattractive single males in...hence it must be that only munters are prepared to spunk up the high entry fee." maybe the club you go to should be just you and a group of mirrors that way you and your lady friend will never be disappointed  | |||
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" I know a very petite lady that only likes very large, hairy men, she would hate being surrounded by slim, well presented men. So she'll be well catered for by the single males who are prepared to pony up at most clubs. But what of those couples that go to have a bit of Attractive MMF or Cuck action.. but are oresented with (mainly) outta shape no-hopers? Therefore, my theory still stands...I don't believe most club owners - Given the choice - would want to allow unattractive single males in...hence it must be that only munters are prepared to spunk up the high entry fee. maybe the club you go to should be just you and a group of mirrors that way you and your lady friend will never be disappointed "
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" I know a very petite lady that only likes very large, hairy men, she would hate being surrounded by slim, well presented men. So she'll be well catered for by the single males who are prepared to pony up at most clubs. But what of those couples that go to have a bit of Attractive MMF or Cuck action.. but are oresented with (mainly) outta shape no-hopers? Therefore, my theory still stands...I don't believe most club owners - Given the choice - would want to allow unattractive single males in...hence it must be that only munters are prepared to spunk up the high entry fee. maybe the club you go to should be just you and a group of mirrors that way you and your lady friend will never be disappointed "She seeks other extra cock ....but attached to attractive guys without beer bellies....so perhaps those mirrors you get at fairgrounds might work | |||
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" I know a very petite lady that only likes very large, hairy men, she would hate being surrounded by slim, well presented men. So she'll be well catered for by the single males who are prepared to pony up at most clubs. But what of those couples that go to have a bit of Attractive MMF or Cuck action.. but are oresented with (mainly) outta shape no-hopers? Therefore, my theory still stands...I don't believe most club owners - Given the choice - would want to allow unattractive single males in...hence it must be that only munters are prepared to spunk up the high entry fee. maybe the club you go to should be just you and a group of mirrors that way you and your lady friend will never be disappointed
She seeks other extra cock ....but attached to attractive guys without beer bellies....so perhaps those mirrors you get at fairgrounds might work"attractiveness is a personal thing too just because she see you attractive many many other wont ... | |||
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"Is a 50 odd year old man that tries to condition themselves to try and look like a 20yo that attractive, really? Personally it makes me laugh but then im not into men .. beauty is in the eye of the beholder my friend and is a personal choice. " See I agree with the conclusion of that statement! But a 50 odd year old conditioning themselves physically to try and have a youthful physique is all well and good actually; it's generally good for the health for one, for another it's taking pride in your appearance and how you present yourselves to others. If someone came along to most 50-somethings and offered them their 20 year old body back, I'm willing to bet that more would say "Yay" than "Nay" (Personally I'd turn it down and ask for my 30 year old body, but that's because at 20 my body looked about 14, but I digress) I do have the advantage of a fast metabolism and an extremely demanding physical job that helps keep me trimmer than average, but even then frequent injuries and aches are the payoff. I think more to the point a 50 odd year old man trying to ACTUALLY ACT 20 is more of a problem and seen as unattractive as it's almost like he presents a picture of a man who has the age, but hasn't actually acquired any wisdom or common sense in the last 30 years. That's why a 50 year old with definition and sinews like he still competes athletically isn't seen as a bad thing, however put a 50 year old man in front of a rundown tower block with an outsized baseball cap on his head, odd socks on, and he greets you with "Big shout to da Bwoy what 'tinks he's a G!" and you would either think of him as a complete whazzock or assume he has learning difficulties, neither of which are deemed particularly attractive by most. B | |||
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"Is a 50 odd year old man that tries to condition themselves to try and look like a 20yo that attractive, really? Personally it makes me laugh but then im not into men .. beauty is in the eye of the beholder my friend and is a personal choice. See I agree with the conclusion of that statement! But a 50 odd year old conditioning themselves physically to try and have a youthful physique is all well and good actually; it's generally good for the health for one, for another it's taking pride in your appearance and how you present yourselves to others. If someone came along to most 50-somethings and offered them their 20 year old body back, I'm willing to bet that more would say "Yay" than "Nay" (Personally I'd turn it down and ask for my 30 year old body, but that's because at 20 my body looked about 14, but I digress) I do have the advantage of a fast metabolism and an extremely demanding physical job that helps keep me trimmer than average, but even then frequent injuries and aches are the payoff. I think more to the point a 50 odd year old man trying to ACTUALLY ACT 20 is more of a problem and seen as unattractive as it's almost like he presents a picture of a man who has the age, but hasn't actually acquired any wisdom or common sense in the last 30 years. That's why a 50 year old with definition and sinews like he still competes athletically isn't seen as a bad thing, however put a 50 year old man in front of a rundown tower block with an outsized baseball cap on his head, odd socks on, and he greets you with "Big shout to da Bwoy what 'tinks he's a G!" and you would either think of him as a complete whazzock or assume he has learning difficulties, neither of which are deemed particularly attractive by most. B" no point in being fit and a great body if you have an ugly mind tho | |||
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"Is a 50 odd year old man that tries to condition themselves to try and look like a 20yo that attractive, really? Personally it makes me laugh but then im not into men .. beauty is in the eye of the beholder my friend and is a personal choice. See I agree with the conclusion of that statement! But a 50 odd year old conditioning themselves physically to try and have a youthful physique is all well and good actually; it's generally good for the health for one, for another it's taking pride in your appearance and how you present yourselves to others. If someone came along to most 50-somethings and offered them their 20 year old body back, I'm willing to bet that more would say "Yay" than "Nay" (Personally I'd turn it down and ask for my 30 year old body, but that's because at 20 my body looked about 14, but I digress) I do have the advantage of a fast metabolism and an extremely demanding physical job that helps keep me trimmer than average, but even then frequent injuries and aches are the payoff. I think more to the point a 50 odd year old man trying to ACTUALLY ACT 20 is more of a problem and seen as unattractive as it's almost like he presents a picture of a man who has the age, but hasn't actually acquired any wisdom or common sense in the last 30 years. That's why a 50 year old with definition and sinews like he still competes athletically isn't seen as a bad thing, however put a 50 year old man in front of a rundown tower block with an outsized baseball cap on his head, odd socks on, and he greets you with "Big shout to da Bwoy what 'tinks he's a G!" and you would either think of him as a complete whazzock or assume he has learning difficulties, neither of which are deemed particularly attractive by most. B no point in being fit and a great body if you have an ugly mind tho" I couldn't agree more. In fact this goes part and parcel with what I said, as most men by the time they hit 50 should have at least learned some decorum, how to carry oneself well so not to turn those you meet off you and above all know when to bite their tongue even if some of their views are a bit "unfavourable" to say the least. Such behaviour is far more in keeping with a 20 year old's actions when being an impolite challenging "rude boy" is often seen by young ladies of this age as attractive/sexy? B | |||
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" I know a very petite lady that only likes very large, hairy men, she would hate being surrounded by slim, well presented men. So she'll be well catered for by the single males who are prepared to pony up at most clubs. But what of those couples that go to have a bit of Attractive MMF or Cuck action.. but are oresented with (mainly) outta shape no-hopers? Therefore, my theory still stands...I don't believe most club owners - Given the choice - would want to allow unattractive single males in...hence it must be that only munters are prepared to spunk up the high entry fee." Your theory seems to be based solely on what "you" think females want. Therefore is already fundementaly flawed. Define "munter". | |||
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"Is a 50 odd year old man that tries to condition themselves to try and look like a 20yo that attractive, really? Personally it makes me laugh but then im not into men .. beauty is in the eye of the beholder my friend and is a personal choice. See I agree with the conclusion of that statement! But a 50 odd year old conditioning themselves physically to try and have a youthful physique is all well and good actually; it's generally good for the health for one, for another it's taking pride in your appearance and how you present yourselves to others. If someone came along to most 50-somethings and offered them their 20 year old body back, I'm willing to bet that more would say "Yay" than "Nay" (Personally I'd turn it down and ask for my 30 year old body, but that's because at 20 my body looked about 14, but I digress) I do have the advantage of a fast metabolism and an extremely demanding physical job that helps keep me trimmer than average, but even then frequent injuries and aches are the payoff. I think more to the point a 50 odd year old man trying to ACTUALLY ACT 20 is more of a problem and seen as unattractive as it's almost like he presents a picture of a man who has the age, but hasn't actually acquired any wisdom or common sense in the last 30 years. That's why a 50 year old with definition and sinews like he still competes athletically isn't seen as a bad thing, however put a 50 year old man in front of a rundown tower block with an outsized baseball cap on his head, odd socks on, and he greets you with "Big shout to da Bwoy what 'tinks he's a G!" and you would either think of him as a complete whazzock or assume he has learning difficulties, neither of which are deemed particularly attractive by most. B no point in being fit and a great body if you have an ugly mind tho I couldn't agree more. In fact this goes part and parcel with what I said, as most men by the time they hit 50 should have at least learned some decorum, how to carry oneself well so not to turn those you meet off you and above all know when to bite their tongue even if some of their views are a bit "unfavourable" to say the least. Such behaviour is far more in keeping with a 20 year old's actions when being an impolite challenging "rude boy" is often seen by young ladies of this age as attractive/sexy? B" | |||
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" I know a very petite lady that only likes very large, hairy men, she would hate being surrounded by slim, well presented men. So she'll be well catered for by the single males who are prepared to pony up at most clubs. But what of those couples that go to have a bit of Attractive MMF or Cuck action.. but are oresented with (mainly) outta shape no-hopers? Therefore, my theory still stands...I don't believe most club owners - Given the choice - would want to allow unattractive single males in...hence it must be that only munters are prepared to spunk up the high entry fee. maybe the club you go to should be just you and a group of mirrors that way you and your lady friend will never be disappointed
She seeks other extra cock ....but attached to attractive guys without beer bellies....so perhaps those mirrors you get at fairgrounds might work"Funny that, since I guarantee that some women wouldn't find you attractive and if one of those were choosing the men allowed to attend clubs, you'd be out on your arse. | |||
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"Why is every event on here free to females but us males have to pay same as a couple????? " My guess would be that there are countless of men who would gladly get involved in a situation with potential sex, just for the sex and not for the social element of swinging. So, because that is off-putting to a lot of people, organisers of events have to limit the numbers of men somehow.  | |||
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"i think its wrong myself .. single women should pay something in this day of equal rights cant have it all ways " No they should pay the same as men but that's not the way the world works ..To say that it's a man's world dominated by a conspiratorial patriarchy is a myth . How many women will complain that they are not being afforded equal rights by not being asked to pay? | |||
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" I know a very petite lady that only likes very large, hairy men, she would hate being surrounded by slim, well presented men. So she'll be well catered for by the single males who are prepared to pony up at most clubs. But what of those couples that go to have a bit of Attractive MMF or Cuck action.. but are oresented with (mainly) outta shape no-hopers? Therefore, my theory still stands...I don't believe most club owners - Given the choice - would want to allow unattractive single males in...hence it must be that only munters are prepared to spunk up the high entry fee." What’s an unattractive Male? What one woman finds attractive another woman doesn’t. Some women don’t like men over 45, some women do. Attraction is very subjective. | |||
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" I know a very petite lady that only likes very large, hairy men, she would hate being surrounded by slim, well presented men. So she'll be well catered for by the single males who are prepared to pony up at most clubs. But what of those couples that go to have a bit of Attractive MMF or Cuck action.. but are oresented with (mainly) outta shape no-hopers? Therefore, my theory still stands...I don't believe most club owners - Given the choice - would want to allow unattractive single males in...hence it must be that only munters are prepared to spunk up the high entry fee. maybe the club you go to should be just you and a group of mirrors that way you and your lady friend will never be disappointed
She seeks other extra cock ....but attached to attractive guys without beer bellies....so perhaps those mirrors you get at fairgrounds might work
Funny that, since I guarantee that some women wouldn't find you attractive and if one of those were choosing the men allowed to attend clubs, you'd be out on your arse." | |||
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"Why is every event on here free to females but us males have to pay same as a couple????? " It works in your favour thin on ground now would be thinner, alternative is stick a entry fee on and you guys will have nothing to do but enter each other’s arses simples | |||
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"Is a 50 odd year old man that tries to condition themselves to try and look like a 20yo that attractive, really? Personally it makes me laugh but then im not into men .. beauty is in the eye of the beholder my friend and is a personal choice. " Thing is though, it’s all well and good a 50+ man trying to look 20yo, but it’s not really possible in reality. The body may look good, fit, decent or average but the face and neck will always show the age! The face and neck age quicker than the body! Some look good with it, some not so great. | |||
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"Why is every event on here free to females but us males have to pay same as a couple????? " Easy way around this. Make friends with a woman, get to know her well. Actually be her friend. Then go to events as a couple | |||
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"Why is every event on here free to females but us males have to pay same as a couple????? " females are the dessert, couples want them, women want them and single guys who come in third place want them and unfortunately supply and demand which this country relishes wins  | |||
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"Why is every event on here free to females but us males have to pay same as a couple????? " Is this a genuine question or a way to open up a beef/discussion about single men paying so much? The reason I ask is because I honesty thought the reason is for it was very obvious. | |||
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"Why is every event on here free to females but us males have to pay same as a couple????? Is this a genuine question or a way to open up a beef/discussion about single men paying so much? The reason I ask is because I honesty thought the reason is for it was very obvious." My thoughts exactly | |||
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