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"Yes I thought it generated some decent debate. Obviously it drew out a couple that need to look up hypocritical in the dictionary but prejudice is alive and well, and apparently in the minority to most on fab. I’ll just remain happy in the knowledge I look better than most people in a dress, male or female. Think that religion has a lot to do with the prejudice and I don’t see any of the mainstream religions showing true tolerance. They might up their PR game to appear as though they fit in the modern world but, in truth, they really don’t on many levels. " I’m sure you do look good in a dress, and in reference to the couple there opinion is valid even if you disagree. I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. So it looks like 75% of people support the 7% lgbt people so surly that’s a good thing right there. I’m not religious whatsoever but apparently 48% ish of people are, and even I can see the good and bad in religion. That’s why I can understand why it’s currently in our school education system | |||
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"Yes I thought it generated some decent debate. Obviously it drew out a couple that need to look up hypocritical in the dictionary but prejudice is alive and well, and apparently in the minority to most on fab. I’ll just remain happy in the knowledge I look better than most people in a dress, male or female. Think that religion has a lot to do with the prejudice and I don’t see any of the mainstream religions showing true tolerance. They might up their PR game to appear as though they fit in the modern world but, in truth, they really don’t on many levels. I’m sure you do look good in a dress, and in reference to the couple there opinion is valid even if you disagree. I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. So it looks like 75% of people support the 7% lgbt people so surly that’s a good thing right there. I’m not religious whatsoever but apparently 48% ish of people are, and even I can see the good and bad in religion. That’s why I can understand why it’s currently in our school education system " I can respect someone's opinion (even if I personally think it's medieval). But that does not mean they get to change what goes on in my kid's school. | |||
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"Yes I thought it generated some decent debate. Obviously it drew out a couple that need to look up hypocritical in the dictionary but prejudice is alive and well, and apparently in the minority to most on fab. I’ll just remain happy in the knowledge I look better than most people in a dress, male or female. Think that religion has a lot to do with the prejudice and I don’t see any of the mainstream religions showing true tolerance. They might up their PR game to appear as though they fit in the modern world but, in truth, they really don’t on many levels. I’m sure you do look good in a dress, and in reference to the couple there opinion is valid even if you disagree. I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. So it looks like 75% of people support the 7% lgbt people so surly that’s a good thing right there. I’m not religious whatsoever but apparently 48% ish of people are, and even I can see the good and bad in religion. That’s why I can understand why it’s currently in our school education system" I don’t have to “respect their opinion” I’m afraid. Views like theirs got men chemically castrated or imprisoned for no other reason than being who they were and a minority. In other countries, executed. What I do instead is accept that, unless I meet them, there’s nothing I can do to sway their opinion. I have lots of straight friends I’ve met through this scene who realise that we can get on socially, totally respect each other’s preferences (as I do with theirs) and just have a laugh. As for educators, I absolutely agree that it is their view that matters most in this. I also agree that lazy parenting is not the fault of those educators or a reason that they should have the hard tasks put upon them. There’s a role for both in this particular debate. I do believe that you catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. | |||
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"Yes I thought it generated some decent debate. Obviously it drew out a couple that need to look up hypocritical in the dictionary but prejudice is alive and well, and apparently in the minority to most on fab. I’ll just remain happy in the knowledge I look better than most people in a dress, male or female. Think that religion has a lot to do with the prejudice and I don’t see any of the mainstream religions showing true tolerance. They might up their PR game to appear as though they fit in the modern world but, in truth, they really don’t on many levels. I’m sure you do look good in a dress, and in reference to the couple there opinion is valid even if you disagree. I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. So it looks like 75% of people support the 7% lgbt people so surly that’s a good thing right there. I’m not religious whatsoever but apparently 48% ish of people are, and even I can see the good and bad in religion. That’s why I can understand why it’s currently in our school education system I don’t have to “respect their opinion” I’m afraid. Views like theirs got men chemically castrated or imprisoned for no other reason than being who they were and a minority. In other countries, executed. What I do instead is accept that, unless I meet them, there’s nothing I can do to sway their opinion. I have lots of straight friends I’ve met through this scene who realise that we can get on socially, totally respect each other’s preferences (as I do with theirs) and just have a laugh. As for educators, I absolutely agree that it is their view that matters most in this. I also agree that lazy parenting is not the fault of those educators or a reason that they should have the hard tasks put upon them. There’s a role for both in this particular debate. I do believe that you catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. " It’s definitely certainly not a school issue as that is to focus on the core subjects and prepare them for further education or to join the work force When you say catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. Isn’t that brainwashing?? I sit and talk to my kids and answer questions and let them decide. You can’t make kids respect something or someone on blind faith that’s as bad as the people you oppose Also found out that 70 countries still criminalise lgbt status and conduct and that’s awful so pretty much half the world says it’s right half the world says it wrong | |||
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"Yes I thought it generated some decent debate. Obviously it drew out a couple that need to look up hypocritical in the dictionary but prejudice is alive and well, and apparently in the minority to most on fab. I’ll just remain happy in the knowledge I look better than most people in a dress, male or female. Think that religion has a lot to do with the prejudice and I don’t see any of the mainstream religions showing true tolerance. They might up their PR game to appear as though they fit in the modern world but, in truth, they really don’t on many levels. I’m sure you do look good in a dress, and in reference to the couple there opinion is valid even if you disagree. I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. So it looks like 75% of people support the 7% lgbt people so surly that’s a good thing right there. I’m not religious whatsoever but apparently 48% ish of people are, and even I can see the good and bad in religion. That’s why I can understand why it’s currently in our school education system I don’t have to “respect their opinion” I’m afraid. Views like theirs got men chemically castrated or imprisoned for no other reason than being who they were and a minority. In other countries, executed. What I do instead is accept that, unless I meet them, there’s nothing I can do to sway their opinion. I have lots of straight friends I’ve met through this scene who realise that we can get on socially, totally respect each other’s preferences (as I do with theirs) and just have a laugh. As for educators, I absolutely agree that it is their view that matters most in this. I also agree that lazy parenting is not the fault of those educators or a reason that they should have the hard tasks put upon them. There’s a role for both in this particular debate. I do believe that you catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. It’s definitely certainly not a school issue as that is to focus on the core subjects and prepare them for further education or to join the work force When you say catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. Isn’t that brainwashing?? I sit and talk to my kids and answer questions and let them decide. You can’t make kids respect something or someone on blind faith that’s as bad as the people you oppose Also found out that 70 countries still criminalise lgbt status and conduct and that’s awful so pretty much half the world says it’s right half the world says it wrong " Bullshit. 195 countries in the world and it’s not half the world that says it’s wrong or that would be half of the population of the world. The leaders of that country have the issue, they are the ones who make it illegal. Are you saying there’s no homosexuals in these countries? In fact I’ll say that from your comment you are saying that everyone in Russia, Borneo etc etc is homophobic , that’s what you’ve written As I’ve said before if you’re going to quote statistics make sure you quote them accurately. | |||
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"Yes I thought it generated some decent debate. Obviously it drew out a couple that need to look up hypocritical in the dictionary but prejudice is alive and well, and apparently in the minority to most on fab. I’ll just remain happy in the knowledge I look better than most people in a dress, male or female. Think that religion has a lot to do with the prejudice and I don’t see any of the mainstream religions showing true tolerance. They might up their PR game to appear as though they fit in the modern world but, in truth, they really don’t on many levels. I’m sure you do look good in a dress, and in reference to the couple there opinion is valid even if you disagree. I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. So it looks like 75% of people support the 7% lgbt people so surly that’s a good thing right there. I’m not religious whatsoever but apparently 48% ish of people are, and even I can see the good and bad in religion. That’s why I can understand why it’s currently in our school education system I don’t have to “respect their opinion” I’m afraid. Views like theirs got men chemically castrated or imprisoned for no other reason than being who they were and a minority. In other countries, executed. What I do instead is accept that, unless I meet them, there’s nothing I can do to sway their opinion. I have lots of straight friends I’ve met through this scene who realise that we can get on socially, totally respect each other’s preferences (as I do with theirs) and just have a laugh. As for educators, I absolutely agree that it is their view that matters most in this. I also agree that lazy parenting is not the fault of those educators or a reason that they should have the hard tasks put upon them. There’s a role for both in this particular debate. I do believe that you catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. It’s definitely certainly not a school issue as that is to focus on the core subjects and prepare them for further education or to join the work force When you say catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. Isn’t that brainwashing?? I sit and talk to my kids and answer questions and let them decide. You can’t make kids respect something or someone on blind faith that’s as bad as the people you oppose Also found out that 70 countries still criminalise lgbt status and conduct and that’s awful so pretty much half the world says it’s right half the world says it wrong " School has nothing to do with “preparing them for the workforce”. Having a kid be able to read, write and know their timestables is a bonus at most secondary schools. It allows children to pass a set of arbitrary exams to allow them (now) to go into further education, fuel the university business. A school education teaches children how to interact. It teaches them life skills. It also teaches them diversity through peer interaction. As for half the world thinking same sex relationships are wrong, correlate that with the extent of religion and it’s governance in that country and you’ll probably find why intolerance or prohibition exists. As for brainwashing children, teaching them that other lifestyles exist isn’t the same as telling them they have to accept it. Schools are explaining the diversity, not issuing edicts that they accept it. The excuse that most people averse to it, that it should be the parents job, are mainly prejudicial against that lifestyle, sexuality or religious view. I’m openly prejudicial of religion and I don’t hide behind an excuse. I believe people should be free to believe whatever they believe as long as none of their views based on faith, are eschewed onto my particular life. | |||
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"Yes I thought it generated some decent debate. Obviously it drew out a couple that need to look up hypocritical in the dictionary but prejudice is alive and well, and apparently in the minority to most on fab. I’ll just remain happy in the knowledge I look better than most people in a dress, male or female. Think that religion has a lot to do with the prejudice and I don’t see any of the mainstream religions showing true tolerance. They might up their PR game to appear as though they fit in the modern world but, in truth, they really don’t on many levels. I’m sure you do look good in a dress, and in reference to the couple there opinion is valid even if you disagree. I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. So it looks like 75% of people support the 7% lgbt people so surly that’s a good thing right there. I’m not religious whatsoever but apparently 48% ish of people are, and even I can see the good and bad in religion. That’s why I can understand why it’s currently in our school education system I don’t have to “respect their opinion” I’m afraid. Views like theirs got men chemically castrated or imprisoned for no other reason than being who they were and a minority. In other countries, executed. What I do instead is accept that, unless I meet them, there’s nothing I can do to sway their opinion. I have lots of straight friends I’ve met through this scene who realise that we can get on socially, totally respect each other’s preferences (as I do with theirs) and just have a laugh. As for educators, I absolutely agree that it is their view that matters most in this. I also agree that lazy parenting is not the fault of those educators or a reason that they should have the hard tasks put upon them. There’s a role for both in this particular debate. I do believe that you catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. It’s definitely certainly not a school issue as that is to focus on the core subjects and prepare them for further education or to join the work force When you say catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. Isn’t that brainwashing?? I sit and talk to my kids and answer questions and let them decide. You can’t make kids respect something or someone on blind faith that’s as bad as the people you oppose Also found out that 70 countries still criminalise lgbt status and conduct and that’s awful so pretty much half the world says it’s right half the world says it wrong Bullshit. 195 countries in the world and it’s not half the world that says it’s wrong or that would be half of the population of the world. The leaders of that country have the issue, they are the ones who make it illegal. Are you saying there’s no homosexuals in these countries? In fact I’ll say that from your comment you are saying that everyone in Russia, Borneo etc etc is homophobic , that’s what you’ve written As I’ve said before if you’re going to quote statistics make sure you quote them accurately. " Ok well fair point and yeah you are right on a few points, but as an example if in the uk ( one of the most accepting nation in the world ) only 75% accept lgbt and it should be 100% What percentage do you think it is in these other 70 countries I’m guessing it’s a lot over 25% And it’s also funny that it’s donald trump who’s Launching a global campaign to end the criminalisation of homosexuality and I think most lgbt seem to dislike him | |||
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" I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. " You absolutely do not have to respect their opinion. Judging other people for having consensual sex makes you a prize prick, and failing to condemn such people does pretty much the same. | |||
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". Isn’t that brainwashing?? " No. Is teaching kids not to steal brainwashing? Or teaching them to be polite? Of course not. So teaching them to respect gay people is no different. | |||
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"I don't agree with it at all and i do have children, just because someone is against it does not make them homophobic either. Oh my brother is gay as well and i could not care less, but it should be up to the parent if they want their children to know. " So if he was with a girl in a heterosexual relationship, that’s fine, yet if he’s gay then it might not be worth mentioning who the man he always seems to be with is, and why he’s with him? Is being gay something he should be ashamed of? What if he was trans? | |||
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"Yes I thought it generated some decent debate. Obviously it drew out a couple that need to look up hypocritical in the dictionary but prejudice is alive and well, and apparently in the minority to most on fab. I’ll just remain happy in the knowledge I look better than most people in a dress, male or female. Think that religion has a lot to do with the prejudice and I don’t see any of the mainstream religions showing true tolerance. They might up their PR game to appear as though they fit in the modern world but, in truth, they really don’t on many levels. I’m sure you do look good in a dress, and in reference to the couple there opinion is valid even if you disagree. I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. So it looks like 75% of people support the 7% lgbt people so surly that’s a good thing right there. I’m not religious whatsoever but apparently 48% ish of people are, and even I can see the good and bad in religion. That’s why I can understand why it’s currently in our school education system I don’t have to “respect their opinion” I’m afraid. Views like theirs got men chemically castrated or imprisoned for no other reason than being who they were and a minority. In other countries, executed. What I do instead is accept that, unless I meet them, there’s nothing I can do to sway their opinion. I have lots of straight friends I’ve met through this scene who realise that we can get on socially, totally respect each other’s preferences (as I do with theirs) and just have a laugh. As for educators, I absolutely agree that it is their view that matters most in this. I also agree that lazy parenting is not the fault of those educators or a reason that they should have the hard tasks put upon them. There’s a role for both in this particular debate. I do believe that you catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. It’s definitely certainly not a school issue as that is to focus on the core subjects and prepare them for further education or to join the work force When you say catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. Isn’t that brainwashing?? I sit and talk to my kids and answer questions and let them decide. You can’t make kids respect something or someone on blind faith that’s as bad as the people you oppose Also found out that 70 countries still criminalise lgbt status and conduct and that’s awful so pretty much half the world says it’s right half the world says it wrong School has nothing to do with “preparing them for the workforce”. Having a kid be able to read, write and know their timestables is a bonus at most secondary schools. It allows children to pass a set of arbitrary exams to allow them (now) to go into further education, fuel the university business. A school education teaches children how to interact. It teaches them life skills. It also teaches them diversity through peer interaction. As for half the world thinking same sex relationships are wrong, correlate that with the extent of religion and it’s governance in that country and you’ll probably find why intolerance or prohibition exists. As for brainwashing children, teaching them that other lifestyles exist isn’t the same as telling them they have to accept it. Schools are explaining the diversity, not issuing edicts that they accept it. The excuse that most people averse to it, that it should be the parents job, are mainly prejudicial against that lifestyle, sexuality or religious view. I’m openly prejudicial of religion and I don’t hide behind an excuse. I believe people should be free to believe whatever they believe as long as none of their views based on faith, are eschewed onto my particular life. " School are meant to prepare kids to enter the work force I’m sorry but it is. In relation to the brainwashing thing I was only going by what you said and how you worded it. Children should like everyone else be able to make up there own mind through discussion with friends and family, or teachers if they ask. It’s shouldnt be a schools job to raise your kids. Parents have a responsibility also | |||
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"I don't agree with it at all and i do have children, just because someone is against it does not make them homophobic either. Oh my brother is gay as well and i could not care less, but it should be up to the parent if they want their children to know. " Bingo | |||
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"Yes I thought it generated some decent debate. Obviously it drew out a couple that need to look up hypocritical in the dictionary but prejudice is alive and well, and apparently in the minority to most on fab. I’ll just remain happy in the knowledge I look better than most people in a dress, male or female. Think that religion has a lot to do with the prejudice and I don’t see any of the mainstream religions showing true tolerance. They might up their PR game to appear as though they fit in the modern world but, in truth, they really don’t on many levels. I’m sure you do look good in a dress, and in reference to the couple there opinion is valid even if you disagree. I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. So it looks like 75% of people support the 7% lgbt people so surly that’s a good thing right there. I’m not religious whatsoever but apparently 48% ish of people are, and even I can see the good and bad in religion. That’s why I can understand why it’s currently in our school education system I don’t have to “respect their opinion” I’m afraid. Views like theirs got men chemically castrated or imprisoned for no other reason than being who they were and a minority. In other countries, executed. What I do instead is accept that, unless I meet them, there’s nothing I can do to sway their opinion. I have lots of straight friends I’ve met through this scene who realise that we can get on socially, totally respect each other’s preferences (as I do with theirs) and just have a laugh. As for educators, I absolutely agree that it is their view that matters most in this. I also agree that lazy parenting is not the fault of those educators or a reason that they should have the hard tasks put upon them. There’s a role for both in this particular debate. I do believe that you catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. It’s definitely certainly not a school issue as that is to focus on the core subjects and prepare them for further education or to join the work force When you say catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. Isn’t that brainwashing?? I sit and talk to my kids and answer questions and let them decide. You can’t make kids respect something or someone on blind faith that’s as bad as the people you oppose Also found out that 70 countries still criminalise lgbt status and conduct and that’s awful so pretty much half the world says it’s right half the world says it wrong Bullshit. 195 countries in the world and it’s not half the world that says it’s wrong or that would be half of the population of the world. The leaders of that country have the issue, they are the ones who make it illegal. Are you saying there’s no homosexuals in these countries? In fact I’ll say that from your comment you are saying that everyone in Russia, Borneo etc etc is homophobic , that’s what you’ve written As I’ve said before if you’re going to quote statistics make sure you quote them accurately. Ok well fair point and yeah you are right on a few points, but as an example if in the uk ( one of the most accepting nation in the world ) only 75% accept lgbt and it should be 100% What percentage do you think it is in these other 70 countries I’m guessing it’s a lot over 25% And it’s also funny that it’s donald trump who’s Launching a global campaign to end the criminalisation of homosexuality and I think most lgbt seem to dislike him" Why should it be 100%? People are allowed a choice. Some will agree, some will disagree and some won’t care or have an opinion. As to regards of other questions I don’t know what the % is but see you’re making percentage assumptions again. Wrt to Trump, there’s a whole subject on its own, but he will do what is seemed politically correct (contentious on many of his views), this is no different to any politician in power. Teresa May before she was prime minister warned people that leaving the EU was dangerous for the economy and was a remainer, however as prime minister she was over seeing the leave side. Politicians do what they want to either get or remain in power that seems popular with the populous | |||
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" I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. You absolutely do not have to respect their opinion. Judging other people for having consensual sex makes you a prize prick, and failing to condemn such people does pretty much the same. " I’m on the lgbt side, but arnt people allowed to have the right to think what they want ? | |||
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". Isn’t that brainwashing?? No. Is teaching kids not to steal brainwashing? Or teaching them to be polite? Of course not. So teaching them to respect gay people is no different." That’s a prerequisite of course, I was simply going on the wording the lady used. Still not a school issue mind it’s a parents job | |||
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" I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. You absolutely do not have to respect their opinion. Judging other people for having consensual sex makes you a prize prick, and failing to condemn such people does pretty much the same. I’m on the lgbt side, but arnt people allowed to have the right to think what they want ? " They have the right to think whatever they like. And in exactly the same way we are allowed to think they are "prize picks". | |||
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"Same sex marriage is legal, so some kids at primary school have 2 mummies or 2 daddies, so why shouldn’t all the kids be taught that this is acceptable? I don’t agree with anyone who disagrees with education. " By parents yes, by school no | |||
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"Yes I thought it generated some decent debate. Obviously it drew out a couple that need to look up hypocritical in the dictionary but prejudice is alive and well, and apparently in the minority to most on fab. I’ll just remain happy in the knowledge I look better than most people in a dress, male or female. Think that religion has a lot to do with the prejudice and I don’t see any of the mainstream religions showing true tolerance. They might up their PR game to appear as though they fit in the modern world but, in truth, they really don’t on many levels. I’m sure you do look good in a dress, and in reference to the couple there opinion is valid even if you disagree. I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. So it looks like 75% of people support the 7% lgbt people so surly that’s a good thing right there. I’m not religious whatsoever but apparently 48% ish of people are, and even I can see the good and bad in religion. That’s why I can understand why it’s currently in our school education system I don’t have to “respect their opinion” I’m afraid. Views like theirs got men chemically castrated or imprisoned for no other reason than being who they were and a minority. In other countries, executed. What I do instead is accept that, unless I meet them, there’s nothing I can do to sway their opinion. I have lots of straight friends I’ve met through this scene who realise that we can get on socially, totally respect each other’s preferences (as I do with theirs) and just have a laugh. As for educators, I absolutely agree that it is their view that matters most in this. I also agree that lazy parenting is not the fault of those educators or a reason that they should have the hard tasks put upon them. There’s a role for both in this particular debate. I do believe that you catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. It’s definitely certainly not a school issue as that is to focus on the core subjects and prepare them for further education or to join the work force When you say catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. Isn’t that brainwashing?? I sit and talk to my kids and answer questions and let them decide. You can’t make kids respect something or someone on blind faith that’s as bad as the people you oppose Also found out that 70 countries still criminalise lgbt status and conduct and that’s awful so pretty much half the world says it’s right half the world says it wrong School has nothing to do with “preparing them for the workforce”. Having a kid be able to read, write and know their timestables is a bonus at most secondary schools. It allows children to pass a set of arbitrary exams to allow them (now) to go into further education, fuel the university business. A school education teaches children how to interact. It teaches them life skills. It also teaches them diversity through peer interaction. As for half the world thinking same sex relationships are wrong, correlate that with the extent of religion and it’s governance in that country and you’ll probably find why intolerance or prohibition exists. As for brainwashing children, teaching them that other lifestyles exist isn’t the same as telling them they have to accept it. Schools are explaining the diversity, not issuing edicts that they accept it. The excuse that most people averse to it, that it should be the parents job, are mainly prejudicial against that lifestyle, sexuality or religious view. I’m openly prejudicial of religion and I don’t hide behind an excuse. I believe people should be free to believe whatever they believe as long as none of their views based on faith, are eschewed onto my particular life. School are meant to prepare kids to enter the work force I’m sorry but it is. In relation to the brainwashing thing I was only going by what you said and how you worded it. Children should like everyone else be able to make up there own mind through discussion with friends and family, or teachers if they ask. It’s shouldnt be a schools job to raise your kids. Parents have a responsibility also " As a post grad and national recruiter for a large multinational, I’ll stick to my viewpoint on the primary and secondary education system, especially as an ex teacher. As a parent - yes I have kids, shock!!, I agree and have agreed that it’s a joint responsibility. I just believe that most parents who are against it, are prejudiced through their own intolerance. That’s not a good starting point. The only thing I’m prejudiced against is religion but I’ve let my children, now that they’re adults, come up with their own views on faith. Most parents, in my extensive experience, don’t. | |||
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"Yes I thought it generated some decent debate. Obviously it drew out a couple that need to look up hypocritical in the dictionary but prejudice is alive and well, and apparently in the minority to most on fab. I’ll just remain happy in the knowledge I look better than most people in a dress, male or female. Think that religion has a lot to do with the prejudice and I don’t see any of the mainstream religions showing true tolerance. They might up their PR game to appear as though they fit in the modern world but, in truth, they really don’t on many levels. I’m sure you do look good in a dress, and in reference to the couple there opinion is valid even if you disagree. I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. So it looks like 75% of people support the 7% lgbt people so surly that’s a good thing right there. I’m not religious whatsoever but apparently 48% ish of people are, and even I can see the good and bad in religion. That’s why I can understand why it’s currently in our school education system I don’t have to “respect their opinion” I’m afraid. Views like theirs got men chemically castrated or imprisoned for no other reason than being who they were and a minority. In other countries, executed. What I do instead is accept that, unless I meet them, there’s nothing I can do to sway their opinion. I have lots of straight friends I’ve met through this scene who realise that we can get on socially, totally respect each other’s preferences (as I do with theirs) and just have a laugh. As for educators, I absolutely agree that it is their view that matters most in this. I also agree that lazy parenting is not the fault of those educators or a reason that they should have the hard tasks put upon them. There’s a role for both in this particular debate. I do believe that you catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. It’s definitely certainly not a school issue as that is to focus on the core subjects and prepare them for further education or to join the work force When you say catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. Isn’t that brainwashing?? I sit and talk to my kids and answer questions and let them decide. You can’t make kids respect something or someone on blind faith that’s as bad as the people you oppose Also found out that 70 countries still criminalise lgbt status and conduct and that’s awful so pretty much half the world says it’s right half the world says it wrong Bullshit. 195 countries in the world and it’s not half the world that says it’s wrong or that would be half of the population of the world. The leaders of that country have the issue, they are the ones who make it illegal. Are you saying there’s no homosexuals in these countries? In fact I’ll say that from your comment you are saying that everyone in Russia, Borneo etc etc is homophobic , that’s what you’ve written As I’ve said before if you’re going to quote statistics make sure you quote them accurately. Ok well fair point and yeah you are right on a few points, but as an example if in the uk ( one of the most accepting nation in the world ) only 75% accept lgbt and it should be 100% What percentage do you think it is in these other 70 countries I’m guessing it’s a lot over 25% And it’s also funny that it’s donald trump who’s Launching a global campaign to end the criminalisation of homosexuality and I think most lgbt seem to dislike him Why should it be 100%? People are allowed a choice. Some will agree, some will disagree and some won’t care or have an opinion. As to regards of other questions I don’t know what the % is but see you’re making percentage assumptions again. Wrt to Trump, there’s a whole subject on its own, but he will do what is seemed politically correct (contentious on many of his views), this is no different to any politician in power. Teresa May before she was prime minister warned people that leaving the EU was dangerous for the economy and was a remainer, however as prime minister she was over seeing the leave side. Politicians do what they want to either get or remain in power that seems popular with the populous " So even though I guesstimated it was half by my point you could see it’s probably not far off People are allowed choice, wow you’ve changed it was brainwashing a message a go | |||
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"Yes I thought it generated some decent debate. Obviously it drew out a couple that need to look up hypocritical in the dictionary but prejudice is alive and well, and apparently in the minority to most on fab. I’ll just remain happy in the knowledge I look better than most people in a dress, male or female. Think that religion has a lot to do with the prejudice and I don’t see any of the mainstream religions showing true tolerance. They might up their PR game to appear as though they fit in the modern world but, in truth, they really don’t on many levels. I’m sure you do look good in a dress, and in reference to the couple there opinion is valid even if you disagree. I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. So it looks like 75% of people support the 7% lgbt people so surly that’s a good thing right there. I’m not religious whatsoever but apparently 48% ish of people are, and even I can see the good and bad in religion. That’s why I can understand why it’s currently in our school education system I don’t have to “respect their opinion” I’m afraid. Views like theirs got men chemically castrated or imprisoned for no other reason than being who they were and a minority. In other countries, executed. What I do instead is accept that, unless I meet them, there’s nothing I can do to sway their opinion. I have lots of straight friends I’ve met through this scene who realise that we can get on socially, totally respect each other’s preferences (as I do with theirs) and just have a laugh. As for educators, I absolutely agree that it is their view that matters most in this. I also agree that lazy parenting is not the fault of those educators or a reason that they should have the hard tasks put upon them. There’s a role for both in this particular debate. I do believe that you catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. It’s definitely certainly not a school issue as that is to focus on the core subjects and prepare them for further education or to join the work force When you say catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. Isn’t that brainwashing?? I sit and talk to my kids and answer questions and let them decide. You can’t make kids respect something or someone on blind faith that’s as bad as the people you oppose Also found out that 70 countries still criminalise lgbt status and conduct and that’s awful so pretty much half the world says it’s right half the world says it wrong Bullshit. 195 countries in the world and it’s not half the world that says it’s wrong or that would be half of the population of the world. The leaders of that country have the issue, they are the ones who make it illegal. Are you saying there’s no homosexuals in these countries? In fact I’ll say that from your comment you are saying that everyone in Russia, Borneo etc etc is homophobic , that’s what you’ve written As I’ve said before if you’re going to quote statistics make sure you quote them accurately. Ok well fair point and yeah you are right on a few points, but as an example if in the uk ( one of the most accepting nation in the world ) only 75% accept lgbt and it should be 100% What percentage do you think it is in these other 70 countries I’m guessing it’s a lot over 25% And it’s also funny that it’s donald trump who’s Launching a global campaign to end the criminalisation of homosexuality and I think most lgbt seem to dislike him Why should it be 100%? People are allowed a choice. Some will agree, some will disagree and some won’t care or have an opinion. As to regards of other questions I don’t know what the % is but see you’re making percentage assumptions again. Wrt to Trump, there’s a whole subject on its own, but he will do what is seemed politically correct (contentious on many of his views), this is no different to any politician in power. Teresa May before she was prime minister warned people that leaving the EU was dangerous for the economy and was a remainer, however as prime minister she was over seeing the leave side. Politicians do what they want to either get or remain in power that seems popular with the populous So even though I guesstimated it was half by my point you could see it’s probably not far off People are allowed choice, wow you’ve changed it was brainwashing a message a go " Where have I used the word brainwashing? | |||
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"Yes I thought it generated some decent debate. Obviously it drew out a couple that need to look up hypocritical in the dictionary but prejudice is alive and well, and apparently in the minority to most on fab. I’ll just remain happy in the knowledge I look better than most people in a dress, male or female. Think that religion has a lot to do with the prejudice and I don’t see any of the mainstream religions showing true tolerance. They might up their PR game to appear as though they fit in the modern world but, in truth, they really don’t on many levels. I’m sure you do look good in a dress, and in reference to the couple there opinion is valid even if you disagree. I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. So it looks like 75% of people support the 7% lgbt people so surly that’s a good thing right there. I’m not religious whatsoever but apparently 48% ish of people are, and even I can see the good and bad in religion. That’s why I can understand why it’s currently in our school education system I don’t have to “respect their opinion” I’m afraid. Views like theirs got men chemically castrated or imprisoned for no other reason than being who they were and a minority. In other countries, executed. What I do instead is accept that, unless I meet them, there’s nothing I can do to sway their opinion. I have lots of straight friends I’ve met through this scene who realise that we can get on socially, totally respect each other’s preferences (as I do with theirs) and just have a laugh. As for educators, I absolutely agree that it is their view that matters most in this. I also agree that lazy parenting is not the fault of those educators or a reason that they should have the hard tasks put upon them. There’s a role for both in this particular debate. I do believe that you catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. It’s definitely certainly not a school issue as that is to focus on the core subjects and prepare them for further education or to join the work force When you say catch kids young, when they aren’t overtly cynical or brainwashed and teach them (whether at school, home or, preferably, both) that equality and understanding of those with alternative lifestyles should be respected. Isn’t that brainwashing?? I sit and talk to my kids and answer questions and let them decide. You can’t make kids respect something or someone on blind faith that’s as bad as the people you oppose Also found out that 70 countries still criminalise lgbt status and conduct and that’s awful so pretty much half the world says it’s right half the world says it wrong School has nothing to do with “preparing them for the workforce”. Having a kid be able to read, write and know their timestables is a bonus at most secondary schools. It allows children to pass a set of arbitrary exams to allow them (now) to go into further education, fuel the university business. A school education teaches children how to interact. It teaches them life skills. It also teaches them diversity through peer interaction. As for half the world thinking same sex relationships are wrong, correlate that with the extent of religion and it’s governance in that country and you’ll probably find why intolerance or prohibition exists. As for brainwashing children, teaching them that other lifestyles exist isn’t the same as telling them they have to accept it. Schools are explaining the diversity, not issuing edicts that they accept it. The excuse that most people averse to it, that it should be the parents job, are mainly prejudicial against that lifestyle, sexuality or religious view. I’m openly prejudicial of religion and I don’t hide behind an excuse. I believe people should be free to believe whatever they believe as long as none of their views based on faith, are eschewed onto my particular life. School are meant to prepare kids to enter the work force I’m sorry but it is. In relation to the brainwashing thing I was only going by what you said and how you worded it. Children should like everyone else be able to make up there own mind through discussion with friends and family, or teachers if they ask. It’s shouldnt be a schools job to raise your kids. Parents have a responsibility also As a post grad and national recruiter for a large multinational, I’ll stick to my viewpoint on the primary and secondary education system, especially as an ex teacher. As a parent - yes I have kids, shock!!, I agree and have agreed that it’s a joint responsibility. I just believe that most parents who are against it, are prejudiced through their own intolerance. That’s not a good starting point. The only thing I’m prejudiced against is religion but I’ve let my children, now that they’re adults, come up with their own views on faith. Most parents, in my extensive experience, don’t. " Perfect and a great attitude. But if the parents are wankers and prejudice what difference will the brief topic in school do ? They go back home and be around the prejudices again and it’s parents who mould the kids | |||
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" I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. You absolutely do not have to respect their opinion. Judging other people for having consensual sex makes you a prize prick, and failing to condemn such people does pretty much the same. I’m on the lgbt side, but arnt people allowed to have the right to think what they want ?" People are allowed to be bigots, yes. That doesn't mean their opinions should carry any weight in what is taught in schools. | |||
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". Isn’t that brainwashing?? No. Is teaching kids not to steal brainwashing? Or teaching them to be polite? Of course not. So teaching them to respect gay people is no different. That’s a prerequisite of course, I was simply going on the wording the lady used. Still not a school issue mind it’s a parents job So as you are so hooked on core subjects and nothing else you would like to think that explaining to girls about periods falls to the parents? Wrong. Go to any primary or secondary school and there is issues with girls not knowing about them or when their menstrual cycle starts they have no sanitary products. Using your view then the schools shouldn’t be helping or explaining as it’s not a core subject that helps them get a job or further education? Schools are so much more than core subjects " Well certainly don’t know much on this subject but dosent all girls have periods ? So yes of course it should 7% are lgbt soooooo should it be taught in school ? No Love island is watched by 10% ( judging by viewing figures) of the uk, should there be a class for that ? No. Of course I’m being silly there but you can see my point | |||
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". Isn’t that brainwashing?? No. Is teaching kids not to steal brainwashing? Or teaching them to be polite? Of course not. So teaching them to respect gay people is no different. That’s a prerequisite of course, I was simply going on the wording the lady used. Still not a school issue mind it’s a parents job So as you are so hooked on core subjects and nothing else you would like to think that explaining to girls about periods falls to the parents? Wrong. Go to any primary or secondary school and there is issues with girls not knowing about them or when their menstrual cycle starts they have no sanitary products. Using your view then the schools shouldn’t be helping or explaining as it’s not a core subject that helps them get a job or further education? Schools are so much more than core subjects Well certainly don’t know much on this subject but dosent all girls have periods ? So yes of course it should 7% are lgbt soooooo should it be taught in school ? No Love island is watched by 10% ( judging by viewing figures) of the uk, should there be a class for that ? No. Of course I’m being silly there but you can see my point " Don't get my started on love island what a load of crap that program is  | |||
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" 7% are lgbt soooooo should it be taught in school ? No Love island is watched by 10% ( judging by viewing figures) of the uk, should there be a class for that ? No. Of course I’m being silly there but you can see my point " Your desperation to find arguments to exclude education on LGBTQ people's existence from schools is really pathetic and frankly makes you stink of homophobia. LGBTQ education is not only for the 7% (figure accepted for the sake of argument). It's for the 100% of people who live in society and need to treat LGBTQ people with respect. | |||
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"Same sex marriage is legal, so some kids at primary school have 2 mummies or 2 daddies, so why shouldn’t all the kids be taught that this is acceptable? I don’t agree with anyone who disagrees with education. By parents yes, by school no So you think it’s ok for a parent, because of their prejudice, to teach their children that one of their friend’s fathers should be executed because of his sexuality? And the school shouldn’t teach them tolerance? Hmm, interesting viewpoint. " On that basis then what would the small talk in school do ? If his parents and main influence believe that Not once have I said a parent should teach there child that, I’m saying it’s not the schools job and as I said if they are wankers it makes no difference | |||
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"Thank the gods I live in Brighton where male teachers in skirts are not frowned upon. (Unless, of course, they’re mixing spots and stripes). It’s all normal and accepted and everyday here so happy daze. Hurrah for state education. " Sorry but I had to quote you - I’ve just gobbed our tea over my phone and out of my nose. Excellent work on your part - spots and stripes | |||
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" I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. You absolutely do not have to respect their opinion. Judging other people for having consensual sex makes you a prize prick, and failing to condemn such people does pretty much the same. I’m on the lgbt side, but arnt people allowed to have the right to think what they want ? People are allowed to be bigots, yes. That doesn't mean their opinions should carry any weight in what is taught in schools. " So a parent dosent have a right to have an opinion on there child’s education ? Be careful you don’t fall over the edge of the far left | |||
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" 7% are lgbt soooooo should it be taught in school ? No Love island is watched by 10% ( judging by viewing figures) of the uk, should there be a class for that ? No. Of course I’m being silly there but you can see my point Your desperation to find arguments to exclude education on LGBTQ people's existence from schools is really pathetic and frankly makes you stink of homophobia. LGBTQ education is not only for the 7% (figure accepted for the sake of argument). It's for the 100% of people who live in society and need to treat LGBTQ people with respect." Here we go with homophobia again yawn. | |||
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"So those 7% are deemed too far out of the norm to be educated about LGBTQ+? Oh, Brave New World...... "Relax I’m on your side, just saying school is for core subjects not this Parents should help raise there kids not be lazy and let the school raise them | |||
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" I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. You absolutely do not have to respect their opinion. Judging other people for having consensual sex makes you a prize prick, and failing to condemn such people does pretty much the same. I’m on the lgbt side, but arnt people allowed to have the right to think what they want ? People are allowed to be bigots, yes. That doesn't mean their opinions should carry any weight in what is taught in schools. So a parent dosent have a right to have an opinion on there child’s education ? Be careful you don’t fall over the edge of the far left " No. They have no right. There’s a national curriculum. They can have an opinion but no influence or ability to amend what is taught. | |||
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"As an ex educator, teaching the children at school should be unbiased. As a secondary educator, it’s great watching the kids start to debate this - forming their own viewpoints. What I will say is that, in my experience, there’s a lot more tolerance in newer generations than ours towards diversity. Even in religious minority teenagers. This gives me a great deal of comfort. " Perfect debate is fine and the best way, being taught definitely not | |||
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" And it’s also funny that it’s donald trump who’s Launching a global campaign to end the criminalisation of homosexuality and I think most lgbt seem to dislike him Nothing to do with a conversion to supporting LGBT - one of the first things he did was to erase every reference on the White House website - and everything to do with creating another stick to beat Iran with. " Wasn’t he the only one who talked about lgbt in his first speech as president? Has openly gay staff. Even Obama during his campaign said he wasn’t sure about same sex marriage | |||
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"Thank the gods I live in Brighton where male teachers in skirts are not frowned upon. (Unless, of course, they’re mixing spots and stripes). It’s all normal and accepted and everyday here so happy daze. Hurrah for state education. " Pretty certain I’ve mentioned I support the lgbt community a 100 times, and that’s cool about the teachers, and if kids want to talk about it fine. But it being taught ,, no | |||
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" 7% are lgbt soooooo should it be taught in school ? No Love island is watched by 10% ( judging by viewing figures) of the uk, should there be a class for that ? No. Of course I’m being silly there but you can see my point Your desperation to find arguments to exclude education on LGBTQ people's existence from schools is really pathetic and frankly makes you stink of homophobia. LGBTQ education is not only for the 7% (figure accepted for the sake of argument). It's for the 100% of people who live in society and need to treat LGBTQ people with respect." Ok for the hundredth time , school is to prepare kids for further education or the enter the work force, parents are to prepare kids for life and the real world Lazy parents leaving school to raise there kids is almost child abuse Parents need to raise there kids | |||
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" I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. You absolutely do not have to respect their opinion. Judging other people for having consensual sex makes you a prize prick, and failing to condemn such people does pretty much the same. I’m on the lgbt side, but arnt people allowed to have the right to think what they want ? People are allowed to be bigots, yes. That doesn't mean their opinions should carry any weight in what is taught in schools. So a parent dosent have a right to have an opinion on there child’s education ? Be careful you don’t fall over the edge of the far left No. They have no right. There’s a national curriculum. They can have an opinion but no influence or ability to amend what is taught. " So just to paraphrase a parent dosent have a right to have a opinion, but then they can have opinion ?? | |||
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" Ok for the hundredth time , school is to prepare kids for further education or the enter the work force, parents are to prepare kids for life and the real world Lazy parents leaving school to raise there kids is almost child abuse Parents need to raise there kids " And for the hundredth time, no it's not. It's about helping to create people who can make a positive contribution to our society. In whatever way they decide. That does not need to be work or further education. Do you think religious education is a valid subject to be taught. | |||
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" 7% are lgbt soooooo should it be taught in school ? No Love island is watched by 10% ( judging by viewing figures) of the uk, should there be a class for that ? No. Of course I’m being silly there but you can see my point Your desperation to find arguments to exclude education on LGBTQ people's existence from schools is really pathetic and frankly makes you stink of homophobia. LGBTQ education is not only for the 7% (figure accepted for the sake of argument). It's for the 100% of people who live in society and need to treat LGBTQ people with respect. Here we go with homophobia again yawn. " Yep, homophobia is pretty boring in hwo common it is. | |||
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" I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. You absolutely do not have to respect their opinion. Judging other people for having consensual sex makes you a prize prick, and failing to condemn such people does pretty much the same. I’m on the lgbt side, but arnt people allowed to have the right to think what they want ? People are allowed to be bigots, yes. That doesn't mean their opinions should carry any weight in what is taught in schools. So a parent dosent have a right to have an opinion on there child’s education ? Be careful you don’t fall over the edge of the far left " Here you go again with 'opinion' Opinions do not automatically to be acted upon. There are a not insignificant number of people who have the opinion that vaccines cause autism. There are people with the opinion that the world is flat. Some opinions are considered bad and wrong and if you want to change the way an opinion is viewed you need to argue for it, not just say 'oh it's an opinion!' | |||
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" Ok for the hundredth time , school is to prepare kids for further education or the enter the work force, parents are to prepare kids for life and the real world Lazy parents leaving school to raise there kids is almost child abuse Parents need to raise there kids And for the hundredth time, no it's not. It's about helping to create people who can make a positive contribution to our society. In whatever way they decide. That does not need to be work or further education. Do you think religious education is a valid subject to be taught. " Ok so how does lgbt studies come into that ? As a parent that’s my job along with many other things Feel sorry for kids with lazy parents Well just under half of the uk class themselves as religious ( not me ) so yeah I can see why it’s included , would I mind if it was removed. No | |||
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" 7% are lgbt soooooo should it be taught in school ? No Love island is watched by 10% ( judging by viewing figures) of the uk, should there be a class for that ? No. Of course I’m being silly there but you can see my point Your desperation to find arguments to exclude education on LGBTQ people's existence from schools is really pathetic and frankly makes you stink of homophobia. LGBTQ education is not only for the 7% (figure accepted for the sake of argument). It's for the 100% of people who live in society and need to treat LGBTQ people with respect. Here we go with homophobia again yawn. Yep, homophobia is pretty boring in hwo common it is. " I’m probably racist also yeah ? Lol | |||
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" I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. You absolutely do not have to respect their opinion. Judging other people for having consensual sex makes you a prize prick, and failing to condemn such people does pretty much the same. I’m on the lgbt side, but arnt people allowed to have the right to think what they want ? People are allowed to be bigots, yes. That doesn't mean their opinions should carry any weight in what is taught in schools. So a parent dosent have a right to have an opinion on there child’s education ? Be careful you don’t fall over the edge of the far left Here you go again with 'opinion' Opinions do not automatically to be acted upon. There are a not insignificant number of people who have the opinion that vaccines cause autism. There are people with the opinion that the world is flat. Some opinions are considered bad and wrong and if you want to change the way an opinion is viewed you need to argue for it, not just say 'oh it's an opinion!' " Ok so remember we have the same views on lgbt. What makes an opinion correct or an opinion wrong concerning lgbt ? | |||
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" I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. You absolutely do not have to respect their opinion. Judging other people for having consensual sex makes you a prize prick, and failing to condemn such people does pretty much the same. I’m on the lgbt side, but arnt people allowed to have the right to think what they want ? People are allowed to be bigots, yes. That doesn't mean their opinions should carry any weight in what is taught in schools. So a parent dosent have a right to have an opinion on there child’s education ? Be careful you don’t fall over the edge of the far left Here you go again with 'opinion' Opinions do not automatically to be acted upon. There are a not insignificant number of people who have the opinion that vaccines cause autism. There are people with the opinion that the world is flat. Some opinions are considered bad and wrong and if you want to change the way an opinion is viewed you need to argue for it, not just say 'oh it's an opinion!' Ok so remember we have the same views on lgbt. What makes an opinion correct or an opinion wrong concerning lgbt ?" But we don’t have the same views on LGBT. You’re saying that people of alternative sexualities are not the “norm”, ergo we shouldn’t teach about the fact that Jason has two dads or that Sarah has two mums. And it’s ok that they do because that’s the world these children live in. With respect, I’ve bitten my tongue but I have always been pissed when parents think they have a right to decide whether their children learn facts or not. Not opinions, bias free factual information. We see bias in many forms, as teachers. In a lot of cases, the kids are ten times the human beings their parents are. You have a right to try and pass on your opinions to your kids. We teach them facts. In my humble opinion, our views on LGBT are very far apart. You seem to want to keep the world hidden from them. I’m happy the DfE has it on their curriculum. | |||
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" I believe that there are still about 25% of people who don’t agree with sex between the same sex and you have to respect there opinion also. You absolutely do not have to respect their opinion. Judging other people for having consensual sex makes you a prize prick, and failing to condemn such people does pretty much the same. I’m on the lgbt side, but arnt people allowed to have the right to think what they want ? People are allowed to be bigots, yes. That doesn't mean their opinions should carry any weight in what is taught in schools. So a parent dosent have a right to have an opinion on there child’s education ? Be careful you don’t fall over the edge of the far left Here you go again with 'opinion' Opinions do not automatically to be acted upon. There are a not insignificant number of people who have the opinion that vaccines cause autism. There are people with the opinion that the world is flat. Some opinions are considered bad and wrong and if you want to change the way an opinion is viewed you need to argue for it, not just say 'oh it's an opinion!' Ok so remember we have the same views on lgbt. What makes an opinion correct or an opinion wrong concerning lgbt ? But we don’t have the same views on LGBT. You’re saying that people of alternative sexualities are not the “norm”, ergo we shouldn’t teach about the fact that Jason has two dads or that Sarah has two mums. And it’s ok that they do because that’s the world these children live in. With respect, I’ve bitten my tongue but I have always been pissed when parents think they have a right to decide whether their children learn facts or not. Not opinions, bias free factual information. We see bias in many forms, as teachers. In a lot of cases, the kids are ten times the human beings their parents are. You have a right to try and pass on your opinions to your kids. We teach them facts. In my humble opinion, our views on LGBT are very far apart. You seem to want to keep the world hidden from them. I’m happy the DfE has it on their curriculum. " Please tell me how I’m keeping this hidden from my children when I’ve mentioned a few times that I discuss this along with other topics with them ?? I don’t tell them what to think I tell them that everyone on this earth is equal and I answer any questions they have, so your wrong on that point Again another mistake you made is by saying that I said people with alternative sexualities are not the norm ? Never said that I simply said it’s not the schools job to do so. Also if 7% of the population is lgbt and I guess not all the 7% are married, living together with kids ( using your example ) how is that saying that that’s the world we live in ? It’s a massively tiny percentage. Ok you seem to mention facts a lot please tell me the lgbt facts you teach children ( facts not opinion ) Please remember I’m a lgbt supporter and I’m only being concerned about my kids education | |||
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"Children should be taught how to think, not what to think " A pint of beer for that man right there. Perfectly said Just gutted I didn’t say it lol | |||
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"You might not be, other parents do. To be honest, you say you’re educating your children - not good enough. We will. As for facts, I’ll give you another example, herd immunity and vaccinations. At the end of my teaching career, I had to deal with the muppets that believed the “vaccination causes autism”, which was based on falsified data and disproved on peer review. These parents decided to withhold vaccinating their children. We teach the children that vaccinations are a medical breakthrough, their history in eradicating diseases, their value and the re-emergence of certain diseases due to a lack of vaccination in the population. No bias, the factual evidence of their merit. Regardless, I don’t believe you are “for LGBT” as you say. My opinion. I believe you’re biased, think you’re more qualified than others to teach your children about it and glad that it’s out of yours, and others far more prejudiced than you, hands. " Sorry I only said that as in your part you said me personally was hiding it from my kids and that was 100% false. We aren’t discussing vaccinations etc ? I asked for the facts on lgbt ??? But concerning vaccinations I would of course always side with science which is one of the core subject I keep mentioning You say I’m not for lgbt well your wrong but I’m sorry my kids come first Still waiting for the facts please ? | |||
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"Yes you’re for your kids and I’ll stick to my opinion that you’re prejudiced on LGBT issues as you seem to object to primary schools teaching pupils that same sex relationships exist. At secondary school, gender, sexual orientation and transgender identities. Those are facts. Feel free to withdraw your children for fear of them learning something you don’t agree with as it’s “your job”. We aren’t going to agree so let’s leave it there. " These kids are in primary schools for christ sake, you are one sick man. | |||
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"Yes you’re for your kids and I’ll stick to my opinion that you’re prejudiced on LGBT issues as you seem to object to primary schools teaching pupils that same sex relationships exist. At secondary school, gender, sexual orientation and transgender identities. Those are facts. Feel free to withdraw your children for fear of them learning something you don’t agree with as it’s “your job”. We aren’t going to agree so let’s leave it there. " They learn alot more from having LGBTQ teachers dress conservatively and teaching them formal lessons... Than they do from some random queen comeing in to tell them about pride. Especially going to Muslim schools to teach that! Lolol I thought that was hillarious... I love it when liberals face these dilemma. We conservative can sit back and enjoy watching people try force that stuff on Muslim kids. It's not the same era anymore. None of these things need normalizing because your 50 years too late. Only lesbians have children these days. | |||
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"Yes you’re for your kids and I’ll stick to my opinion that you’re prejudiced on LGBT issues as you seem to object to primary schools teaching pupils that same sex relationships exist. At secondary school, gender, sexual orientation and transgender identities. Those are facts. Feel free to withdraw your children for fear of them learning something you don’t agree with as it’s “your job”. We aren’t going to agree so let’s leave it there. " Why in primary school are we teaching young children about any type of sex relationship, gay straight or other ??? “ those are facts “ ?? What facts you just said “ At secondary school, gender, sexual orientation and transgender identities.“ that’s not facts, it’s not even a statement or a sentence it’s just a group of words ?? And your a teacher ?? Think I would remove my kids if that was the level of teaching at their school ,, wow | |||
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"I'm not religious by any means but I do think it's up to the parents not the school's to educate there children in certain areas schools should concentrate on the core subjects " Perfect | |||
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" Why in primary school are we teaching young children about any type of sex relationship, gay straight or other ??? “ those are facts “ ?? What facts you just said “ At secondary school, gender, sexual orientation and transgender identities.“ that’s not facts, it’s not even a statement or a sentence it’s just a group of words ?? And your a teacher ?? Think I would remove my kids if that was the level of teaching at their school ,, wow" Do you keep repeating untrue statements in the hope believe them? Which primary school is teaching sex education to its pupils? Perhaps you should start a thread about it - you clearly feel strongly. This is about children learning about the blancmange of families that exist in 2019 - homes with two parents of the opposite sex, homes with one parent, homes with two parents of the same sex and homes where the state is the parent. | |||
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" Why in primary school are we teaching young children about any type of sex relationship, gay straight or other ??? “ those are facts “ ?? What facts you just said “ At secondary school, gender, sexual orientation and transgender identities.“ that’s not facts, it’s not even a statement or a sentence it’s just a group of words ?? And your a teacher ?? Think I would remove my kids if that was the level of teaching at their school ,, wow Do you keep repeating untrue statements in the hope believe them? Which primary school is teaching sex education to its pupils? Perhaps you should start a thread about it - you clearly feel strongly. This is about children learning about the blancmange of families that exist in 2019 - homes with two parents of the opposite sex, homes with one parent, homes with two parents of the same sex and homes where the state is the parent. " Think you need to read the message I was replying too, that might help explain and help you Not once have I mentioned sex education in any message over the 2 threads concerning this. Lazy parents tut tut tut | |||
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"Yes I thought it generated some decent debate. Obviously it drew out a couple that need to look up hypocritical in the dictionary but prejudice is alive and well, and apparently in the minority to most on fab. I’ll just remain happy in the knowledge I look better than most people in a dress, male or female. Think that religion has a lot to do with the prejudice and I don’t see any of the mainstream religions showing true tolerance. They might up their PR game to appear as though they fit in the modern world but, in truth, they really don’t on many levels. " hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha | |||
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"Think that religion has a lot to do with the prejudice and I don’t see any of the mainstream religions showing true tolerance. " Bristol Pride took place on Saturday when thousands walked through the centre. There was a protest by a group of people presenting themselves as christians with placards. It's one thing for people to impose a religious strait-jacket on their lives - that is their choice. It's something else when they want to impose their agenda on everyone else. It was quite sad, really. | |||
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