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By *ick_and_Bicker OP Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham

Following on from an idea the Lick and Bicker team were discussing and all those 'NSA pics anyone' threads, we wondered if all you photographers and photographees out there would attend a well organised, private and secure photo shoot social?

It would be run by women in a warm and comfy location with changing facilities and showers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd love to take some pics of others but I'm always wary of people expecting more from me. Something like this sounds so much more relaxed so I'd be interested.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would love to have someone take some better pics of me find it a real turn on.

If there brave enough lol

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

How will you prevent any of the photographers using any images they take elsewhere? I'm not trying to take the wind out of your sails just thinking of possible hitches.

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By *ick_and_Bicker OP Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham

"I'd love to take some pics of others but I'm always wary of people expecting more from me. Something like this sounds so much more relaxed so I'd be interested. "

Thanks for that, it’s exactly what we want to facilitate, a safe environment where everybody’s focus is the photography.

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By *lim_jim1964Man
over a year ago

peterborough

As an amateur photographer would love this, link to pp or madcow available if required G

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hi. I'd love the opportunity for some photography practice. I'm an amateur with some limited boudoir/studio experience. Practice makes perfect! I've also posed for others (and done plenty of self-shots ... not easy!) so open to that too if it helps the session along.

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By *ick_and_Bicker OP Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham

"How will you prevent any of the photographers using any images they take elsewhere? I'm not trying to take the wind out of your sails just thinking of possible hitches."

That’s what we are discussing as we know it could be a problem. There will have to be an element of trust but we will be taking advice from professionals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How will you prevent any of the photographers using any images they take elsewhere? I'm not trying to take the wind out of your sails just thinking of possible hitches."

Indeed.

And, I would expect, those of a more professional persuasion might be inclined to charge for their services.

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By *ick_and_Bicker OP Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham

"I would love to have someone take some better pics of me find it a real turn on.

If there brave enough lol"

It’s obviously going to happen but this isn’t a sex meet. It will obviously be highly charged and sexy but those that want that will make their own arrangements elsewhere.

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By *ick_and_Bicker OP Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham

"How will you prevent any of the photographers using any images they take elsewhere? I'm not trying to take the wind out of your sails just thinking of possible hitches.

Indeed.

And, I would expect, those of a more professional persuasion might be inclined to charge for their services.

Then they can choose to do it for free or not come.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Count me in if it ever happens lo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep, I can see there might be some issues with privacy and rights. There'd have to be some form of agreement about use etc.

Also I don't think anyone attending should expect to charge for taking pics. Similarly for anyone posing (where payment is often by giving the model the pics to use themself).

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

We never allow anyone to photograph us unless they use our camera. That might be one way of avoiding problems, insisting that people are only photographed with their own device.

Its too easy to use a camera with two sd cards, to switch from sd to internal memory etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think perhaps one way forward might be to hire a model who signs a release form and everyone else to focus on the photography?

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By *atcoupleCouple
over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia

Yes, we would def' be up for that; given that a general consensus of who owns the images etc could be agreed.

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By *ick_and_Bicker OP Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham

"I think perhaps one way forward might be to hire a model who signs a release form and everyone else to focus on the photography? "

That’s not the point of the shoot though. I’d like to provide a safe environment for people to have their picture taken.

Lots of thoughts going on, keep yours coming.

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By *ick_and_Bicker OP Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Yes, we would def' be up for that; given that a general consensus of who owns the images etc could be agreed."

That’s one thing on the top of my list to sort out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would like this if the venue were easy to get to

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By *impleSailorMan
over a year ago

the moon

Definitely up for that. I prefer being behind a camera but I'll take my turn in front as well

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

This wouldn't work as people are never all trust worthy.

You would need simple but clear consent forms printed stating the material can't be used elsewhere / not for public use & everybody photographers & models would have to sign it, a guardian should be appointed to look after said forms in case anyone breaches what's said on form.

We photograph people every week & would never do any photo/film shoots without releases/consent safeguards etc.

Remember under UK law the photographer owns the content so don't take any needless chances.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think perhaps one way forward might be to hire a model who signs a release form and everyone else to focus on the photography?

That’s not the point of the shoot though. I’d like to provide a safe environment for people to have their picture taken.

Lots of thoughts going on, keep yours coming. "

Fair point!

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By *ancspete132Man
over a year ago

oldham

I'm a photographer and any photo shoot i do is in a professional manner not looking for more just simply photo in a relaxed environment, all pics get downloaded onto the persons computer from my sd card or compact card, I do keep the photos but do nothing with them just kept for my personal use etc, I don't charge, that way you get around the laws etc as you're not getting any profit from it you are covered

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"This wouldn't work as people are never all trust worthy.

We photograph people every week & would never do any photo/film shoots without releases/consent safeguards etc.

Remember under UK law the photographer owns the content so don't take any needless chances."

Of everyone on here I trust your knowledge on this subject the most.

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

"This wouldn't work as people are never all trust worthy.

We photograph people every week & would never do any photo/film shoots without releases/consent safeguards etc.

Remember under UK law the photographer owns the content so don't take any needless chances.

Of everyone on here I trust your knowledge on this subject the most.

Thank you xx, we have shot countless free private profile pics for peeps here on FAB as well as professional shoots & we always explain the difference in great detail before any camera's come out.

A consent form is easy to type up & very very important, we like to know who we are working with & usually check them out first as we have been caught out by reporters posing as photographers a couple of times.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"This wouldn't work as people are never all trust worthy.

We photograph people every week & would never do any photo/film shoots without releases/consent safeguards etc.

Remember under UK law the photographer owns the content so don't take any needless chances.

Of everyone on here I trust your knowledge on this subject the most.

Thank you xx, we have shot countless free private profile pics for peeps here on FAB as well as professional shoots & we always explain the difference in great detail before any camera's come out.

Exactly. Nobody really knows who anyone is on the net and one small slip up can lead to massive life impact.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

"That’s not the point of the shoot though. I’d like to provide a safe environment for people to have their picture taken.

Lots of thoughts going on, keep yours coming. "

As pro photographer (him) I would not be interested in coming along (too far) but you need enough room (particularly headroom) for studio lighting and stands together with suitable rooms/furniture/decor etc. You also need to be pretty good at makeup (or have someone who is). Your average small house room is not generally suitable.

Anything less won't do if you want REALLY good photos.

Then there is (as mentioned) the issue of consent and agreements etc. Just for the record it is copyright that remains with the photographer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Following on from an idea the Lick and Bicker team were discussing and all those 'NSA pics anyone' threads, we wondered if all you photographers and photographees out there would attend a well organised, private and secure photo shoot social?

It would be run by women in a warm and comfy location with changing facilities and showers.

Can I be a photographer?

Mrscxxx

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By *921CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Hartley

Ex pro photographer here happy to help out if required.

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By *ud and BryanCouple
over a year ago

Boston, Lincolnshire

Depending on date and location, we may well be up for this - we do enjoy a good photography session

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would be interested, would love to get some better photo's taken for my profile and also would love to get behind the camera and take some photo's too.

No idea about the law but interested if it happens.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd need to see a portfolio of work of any togs I worked with as I would have no interest in receiving images of poor quality taken on a camera phone.

The privacy issue on here could be difficult. On model sites the photographer could receive a neg review that is shown. Something this site lacks. A guy with camera on here would likely do what he wanted with his images.

A model release stating joint rights of images and potential usage would be needed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Amazing how many pro photographers appear but nothing to back up such claims.

Potential photographers would be better posting links to their on line portfolios and model reviews

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral

"Amazing how many pro photographers appear but nothing to back up such claims.

Potential photographers would be better posting links to their on line portfolios and model reviews "
and masseuse's, plumbers, painter&decorators, personal trainers, soldiers.

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By *ogNMuseCouple
over a year ago

Surrey

Depending on when and where, I'd be happy to help out, have pro studio lighting setup with various soft boxes and light shapers, multiple cameras and lenses, happy to give newbies some instruction on studio lighting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Amazing how many pro photographers appear but nothing to back up such claims.

Potential photographers would be better posting links to their on line portfolios and model reviews and masseuse's, plumbers, painter&decorators, personal trainers, soldiers.

Oh sure personal trainers . They pop up everywhere

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral

"Amazing how many pro photographers appear but nothing to back up such claims.

Potential photographers would be better posting links to their on line portfolios and model reviews and masseuse's, plumbers, painter&decorators, personal trainers, soldiers.

Oh sure personal trainers . They pop up everywhere "
I did GCSE PE does that count

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are both semi pro photographers and think the idea of this shoot is good but the production of keeping everyone happy and safe would be difficult to control.

Even with release forms etc there will always be one person who doesn't follow the rules and once you leave the studio you have no control over him / her ?

We have done many photoshoots for fab members locally and it does boil down to trust. Easy to control on a one to one basis but little or no control on a group shoot.

Afraid as much as we like to take raunchy photos don't think this would be for us..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I'm in cumbria and a amateur photographer and I wouldnt neccessarily want sex but after seeing some poor selfies it would be good to help

It would be run by women in a warm and comfy location with changing facilities and showers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a semi retired pro photographer of 30+ years I applaud your idea even though I wouldn’t attend. In principle it’s a great idea but in practice extremely difficult to carry out successfully. I stopped going to group shoots many years ago because of some of the issues raised here and other issues.

From the model/subjects angle: The use of images afterwards, trust issues (even with consent forms).

From the photographers angle: Conflicts with dominant personalities, equipment issues, unrealistic expectations.

A lot depends on what people are expecting from the shoot in the way of quality images? I for one wouldn’t feel comfortable being expected to use someone else’s camera if they were expecting top class results, this is not snobbery it’s simple fact. I use a camera & lens valued around £5000, I always shoot in RAW format and 2 fstops below metering level. I process my images in PS. With the best will in the world, your not going to get the same consistent quality borrowing someones camera to take their images and handing it back for them to process.

However, as I said, I hope it turns out a huge success and everyone comes away with a fist full of images they are’chuffed to bits with’.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All good points being made here.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

"How will you prevent any of the photographers using any images they take elsewhere? I'm not trying to take the wind out of your sails just thinking of possible hitches."

You insert your SD card with your name on it into their camera. Take out the card once done. Just like hanging on to the film/negatives.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"How will you prevent any of the photographers using any images they take elsewhere? I'm not trying to take the wind out of your sails just thinking of possible hitches.

You insert your SD card with your name on it into their camera. Take out the card once done. Just like hanging on to the film/negatives."

What about cameras with an internal memory or space for two sd card? It's nanoseconds to press the button swapping between the two.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why don't people just shoot anon style

Rather than just plain cutting heads off or using pixels which ruin images. Take them in a way not to show identity

I've done it with photographers when shooting open leg as art nude is my usual level.

Townhouse are doing a photo event next month. Why not meet there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why don't people just shoot anon style

Rather than just plain cutting heads off or using pixels which ruin images. Take them in a way not to show identity

I've done it with photographers when shooting open leg as art nude is my usual level.

Townhouse are doing a photo event next month. Why not meet there "

Many people like to have the images to look back on, or to enjoy for their personal pleasure. If they are taken to hide identity it defeats the object of having them done. It’s easier for them to mask the identity or remove heads etc for publishing reasons, and retain the full image for themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why don't people just shoot anon style

Rather than just plain cutting heads off or using pixels which ruin images. Take them in a way not to show identity

I've done it with photographers when shooting open leg as art nude is my usual level.

Townhouse are doing a photo event next month. Why not meet there

Ok they can take the risk of a dodgy guy with camera then.

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By *oon cloudCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh

We love this idea! Always looking for new excuses to take some creative pics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Ok they can take the risk of a dodgy guy with camera then. "

I wasn’t agreeing or disagreeing with you, I was just offering a reason why people do that

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By *ingle Dad SeekingMan
over a year ago

Northern England

"Why don't people just shoot anon style

Rather than just plain cutting heads off or using pixels which ruin images. Take them in a way not to show identity

I've done it with photographers when shooting open leg as art nude is my usual level.

Townhouse are doing a photo event next month. Why not meet there

Ok they can take the risk of a dodgy guy with camera then. "

Like this...;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT3_UCm1A5I

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

To get the Professional results you want you need to organise this Professionally with togs using their own camera's & consent forms signed by all parties.

This isn't the sort of thing we'd take on but happy to help with the consent forms etc.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

There's photography clubs with paid models that seems a lot less hassle than this. Go to one of them instead.

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish

It would be run by women in a warm and comfy location with changing facilities and showers.

The townhouse at Birkenhead have been doing these successfully for a while op!

The owners and event organisers are really lovely so they may not mind giving you a few pointers if you message them op? X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would be run by women in a warm and comfy location with changing facilities and showers.

The townhouse at Birkenhead have been doing these successfully for a while op!

The owners and event organisers are really lovely so they may not mind giving you a few pointers if you message them op? X"

I am hoping to go. Not sure yet. My husband may go as either a photographer or model.

He is actually a good photographer.he has Also done a bit of modelling.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"There's photography clubs with paid models that seems a lot less hassle than this. Go to one of them instead. "

But there would be 0 chance of play at one of those.

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By *att71Man
over a year ago

Bristol

I would be interested in taking the pics for some,but. it needs to be done correctly so all know who and what can or cannot happen to the pics. I shoot Raw so all pics need editing so none would be available on the day.Please bear thing like this in mind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would be interested in taking the pics for some,but. it needs to be done correctly so all know who and what can or cannot happen to the pics. I shoot Raw so all pics need editing so none would be available on the day.Please bear thing like this in mind

That is true. No serious photographer would just hand the SD card as it's their work and it isn't finished. Handing out RAW images without edit would be like going for a fancy evening party without a makeup on for a woman... or some men :D

What's needed is a signed modified TFP (time for pictures) release. We need to state how images can be used by photographers and models. I can prepare the release for you the organisers and would insist on ID checks.

I am happy to attend both as a modem and photographer, will speak with my partner tonight if she's like to come as a model too.

Is there a date or location yet?

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By *inkyPixelMan
over a year ago

Cranford

I'd be up for this.

Would need property release forms and model release forms in place so everyone has each ithers details to make it legally binding for safety. That's what normally happens and within that define everything about how the images can or cannot be used

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By *ob_nwMan
over a year ago

Cumbria

would love, As a Armature photographer, very hard to find models, so it's catch 22, until you have pictures to show very hard to prove your work, so it would be very welcome, be also good to get tips of other photographers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"would love, As a Armature photographer, very hard to find models, so it's catch 22, until you have pictures to show very hard to prove your work, so it would be very welcome, be also good to get tips of other photographers "

Easy answer is to pay models till you have photos that models are to work tfp for.

I did mostly tfp when I started , now I charge unless someone very talented asks to shoot

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By *ogNMuseCouple
over a year ago

Surrey

Easy answer is to pay models till you have photos that models are to work tfp for.

I did mostly tfp when I started , now I charge unless someone very talented asks to shoot "

As above, plenty on Purple Port, Madcow Models or Model Mayhem, or look for a studio day where you get to pick up shooting tips and play with studio lighting as well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Alternatively, as models on those sites tend to be a bit expensive for the amateur photographer, get yourself along to a local photography club. These tend to hold model evenings, usually you cover the costs between you so it works out cheaper, but as they are group shoots they can have disadvantages.

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By *arry monk40Man
over a year ago

Telford

I'm having a clear out have a backdrop stand and a couple of cloths I don't need if anyone wants them

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By *att71Man
over a year ago

Bristol

A TFP shoot would work well as along as all parties agree...and levels and expectations are agreed before hand..but there has to be trust on both fronts for it to work...

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By *lactontogMan
over a year ago

Clacton on Sea

Start off looking through sites such as Adult Work for ladies local to you that only have a few pics & offer to do them a portfolio on a content share basis, most importantly both sign a shared content release giving you both non exclusive rights to use the material for whatever purpose.

I've won most of my awards for film making but have still shot photos for well over 350 models during a 20 year period so you learn as you go on.

Always be friendly & non threatening in your approach & manner & don't do it just to get a leg over, get a few ladies liking your pics & word soon goes around.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would be interested in this. I love shooting people but its something i rarely get time to do and this would be a good social element aswell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would be run by women in a warm and comfy location with changing facilities and showers.

Go form it set it up let come who wants to come and all have a great afternoon, do consent forms etc everyone knows the crack and what’s expected and only invite verified members who sign a consent form with ID present. Don’t know sure this is worth setting up though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting idea OP.

I am not really into pictures. Rarely go into hot pics and never Fab'd a pic. Just not my thing.

Having said that I do like this and can see it helping many people. I would think about attending if the issues raised can be addressed and social is well organised.

Trust, copyright, consent and agreements all need to be clear. That will make me feel more comfortable in my pictures being taken.

If that fails I suppose I could be brave and start taking selfies... nah I take that back

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By *ick_and_Bicker OP Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Interesting idea OP.

I am not really into pictures. Rarely go into hot pics and never Fab'd a pic. Just not my thing.

Having said that I do like this and can see it helping many people. I would think about attending if the issues raised can be addressed and social is well organised.

Trust, copyright, consent and agreements all need to be clear. That will make me feel more comfortable in my pictures being taken.

If that fails I suppose I could be brave and start taking selfies... nah I take that back

Thanks everyone for the thoughts and ideas, we will be working on all of them and hopefully will come up with a firm plan in January.

I’d still like to hear you

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By *anGarCouple
over a year ago

Greenwich

Wow, this is an amazing idea!

Sadly a little far for us to travel

Would love to attend one closer by.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow, this is an amazing idea!

Sadly a little far for us to travel

Would love to attend one closer by."

Maybe we should start a London one

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

I'm up for this

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By *anGarCouple
over a year ago

Greenwich

"Wow, this is an amazing idea!

Sadly a little far for us to travel

Would love to attend one closer by.

Maybe we should start a London one "

I completely agree with this idea!

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By *r_StockingtopsMan
over a year ago

Selby

I used to be a member of an adult photography club, about four or five photographers and one or two couples. It was a lot of fun, very friendly and I also learned a lot from some of the pro photographers there. One way to ensure confidentiality is to leave the memory card behind so that the couple or model can only send out the images they approve of, once anonymised. Or to wear venitian style masks for some shots.

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By *r_StockingtopsMan
over a year ago

Selby

I should add that when I do private shoots for singles or couples I shoot in .jpg format and just leave them the memory card - they can then decide what images (if any) to send back to me.

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

Never trust a person with a camera.

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By *alking DisasterWoman
over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

I'd be interested.

Taking photos, not having mine taken!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I was to take part and I’m not saying I would or wouldn’t. I would expect all concerned to sign a model release form and then we all know where we stand then.

Simple easy things and you can get free ones off internet

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