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Males - why aren't you making an effort with your profile?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"

Some of us do

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Loads of men make a big effort with their profiles.

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By *eroLondonMan
over a year ago

Mayfair


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets

Some of us do"

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

Generally those that do that are the ones that see "sex site" in blazing lights above the door and immediately start to think with their cock and not their brain, have too high expectations and adopt the wrong approach and then jump on the forums asking why they can't get a reply to their messages or a meet.

That's not meant as a "single man bash" either more an observation based on experience - not worth worrying over though OP as by the sounds of it they wouldn't be the type you'd want to meet anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"

You seem to be doing well so what's the problem?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought Thursday was rant day

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

I should caveat the above by saying that there are plenty of single guys on here who DO get the way the site works, DO have the right expectations and approach and put the right level of effort into their profiles and They're the ones you should focus on

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Loads of men make a big effort with their profiles. "

Oh I agree... perhaps it's just the lazy ones who message me! But by the same token many complain on the forums about no success with meets when it's obvious they have made no effort with their profile

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets

You seem to be doing well so what's the problem? "

Absolutely none..but they all get miffed when I say no thanks and then complain about ladies being too fussy!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I thought Thursday was rant day "

Nah...judging by the latest posts...don't think so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Loads of men make a big effort with their profiles.

Oh I agree... perhaps it's just the lazy ones who message me! But by the same token many complain on the forums about no success with meets when it's obvious they have made no effort with their profile"

That can't be the sole reason. Ratio of men:women/couples for example

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Loads of men make a big effort with their profiles.

Oh I agree... perhaps it's just the lazy ones who message me! But by the same token many complain on the forums about no success with meets when it's obvious they have made no effort with their profile

That can't be the sole reason. Ratio of men:women/couples for example "

That too yes ..which is rather unfortunate for them I suppose

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hi Tracey!

Profiles are what they are. I must have changed mine several times to try and please everyone but I've come to the point where I've realised I can't please everyone.

It's that old adage isn't it of 'each to their own' everyone has their likes and dislikes and sane applies to profiles. Some like s big long one and some like them a bit shorter haha.

But seriously some women want to know the finest detail of where someone has been and some don't and it's hard to sell yourself by your profile.

I'd just recommend giving someone the benefit of the doubt and start a conversation. You really can't learn much from a profile.

Happy fabbing!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Hi Tracey!

Profiles are what they are. I must have changed mine several times to try and please everyone but I've come to the point where I've realised I can't please everyone.

It's that old adage isn't it of 'each to their own' everyone has their likes and dislikes and sane applies to profiles. Some like s big long one and some like them a bit shorter haha.

But seriously some women want to know the finest detail of where someone has been and some don't and it's hard to sell yourself by your profile.

I'd just recommend giving someone the benefit of the doubt and start a conversation. You really can't learn much from a profile.

Happy fabbing!"

And.you are right - you can't please everyone. I tend to always read through a profile but i guess because I make an effort in mine I expect someone to do the same.

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By *alking HeadMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"

I come across many female profiles that are just as sparse. I dont message them. I do wonder if its a lazy woman or a bloke thats written them. Some of them seem to be written by a very simple form of AI.

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit


"Loads of men make a big effort with their profiles.

Oh I agree... perhaps it's just the lazy ones who message me! But by the same token many complain on the forums about no success with meets when it's obvious they have made no effort with their profile

That can't be the sole reason. Ratio of men:women/couples for example "

But given that ratio surely the thing to do is make an effort to stand out and go with something appealing?

Know it's tough for single guys on here, and finding the right profile is tough - but I honestly think there are a lot that don't help themselves - or even when they do ask for advice don't take it.

All too often you see single guys blaming the ratio of men to women or any number of other things as the reason they don't get what they are looking for from the site, when more often than not the main reason is staring them in the face, a mixture of their profile and their expectations and approach

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hi Tracey!

Profiles are what they are. I must have changed mine several times to try and please everyone but I've come to the point where I've realised I can't please everyone.

It's that old adage isn't it of 'each to their own' everyone has their likes and dislikes and sane applies to profiles. Some like s big long one and some like them a bit shorter haha.

But seriously some women want to know the finest detail of where someone has been and some don't and it's hard to sell yourself by your profile.

I'd just recommend giving someone the benefit of the doubt and start a conversation. You really can't learn much from a profile.

Happy fabbing!

And.you are right - you can't please everyone. I tend to always read through a profile but i guess because I make an effort in mine I expect someone to do the same. "

Glad you understood me I'd say unless there's something glaringly off-putting on their profile then just be prepared to give them a chance you might be pleasantly surprised. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hi Tracey!

Profiles are what they are. I must have changed mine several times to try and please everyone but I've come to the point where I've realised I can't please everyone.

It's that old adage isn't it of 'each to their own' everyone has their likes and dislikes and sane applies to profiles. Some like s big long one and some like them a bit shorter haha.

But seriously some women want to know the finest detail of where someone has been and some don't and it's hard to sell yourself by your profile.

I'd just recommend giving someone the benefit of the doubt and start a conversation. You really can't learn much from a profile.

Happy fabbing!

And.you are right - you can't please everyone. I tend to always read through a profile but i guess because I make an effort in mine I expect someone to do the same.

Glad you understood me I'd say unless there's something glaringly off-putting on their profile then just be prepared to give them a chance you might be pleasantly surprised. X"

I disagree. I ran some experiments when I was here in my first profile. I have a few of the one line messages a chance, gave a nice reply with some content they could use to develop a conversation. The profiles for these ‘experiments’ were always pretty minimal. The conversations resulting were, without exception, crass and really sexual, asking for pics or limited to the most basic of small talk before pushing for a meet. No one with anything interesting to say or willing to put much effort in to establishing a connection. The really crude first messagers often didn’t reply - they’d already bashed one out typing the message and were now having their post-coital cigarette I think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hi Tracey!

Profiles are what they are. I must have changed mine several times to try and please everyone but I've come to the point where I've realised I can't please everyone.

It's that old adage isn't it of 'each to their own' everyone has their likes and dislikes and sane applies to profiles. Some like s big long one and some like them a bit shorter haha.

But seriously some women want to know the finest detail of where someone has been and some don't and it's hard to sell yourself by your profile.

I'd just recommend giving someone the benefit of the doubt and start a conversation. You really can't learn much from a profile.

Happy fabbing!

And.you are right - you can't please everyone. I tend to always read through a profile but i guess because I make an effort in mine I expect someone to do the same.

Glad you understood me I'd say unless there's something glaringly off-putting on their profile then just be prepared to give them a chance you might be pleasantly surprised. X

I disagree. I ran some experiments when I was here in my first profile. I have a few of the one line messages a chance, gave a nice reply with some content they could use to develop a conversation. The profiles for these ‘experiments’ were always pretty minimal. The conversations resulting were, without exception, crass and really sexual, asking for pics or limited to the most basic of small talk before pushing for a meet. No one with anything interesting to say or willing to put much effort in to establishing a connection. The really crude first messagers often didn’t reply - they’d already bashed one out typing the message and were now having their post-coital cigarette I think."

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

I personally don't agree, I do not think your profile has anything to do with it, in my opinion the ladies also struggle in finding the kind of guys they want, so guys don't let the ladies sell you the idea that they are finding it easy because they are not, especially when it comes to finding the ideal hot guy they want.

I think it has to do more with the interpersonal skills you possess on both sides than the profile, let us ask the guys who have spent a lot time on their profiles and even added their face pictures , what difference has this made?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I personally don't agree, I do not think your profile has anything to do with it, in my opinion the ladies also struggle in finding the kind of guys they want, so guys don't let the ladies sell you the idea that they are finding it easy because they are not, especially when it comes to finding the ideal hot guy they want.

I think it has to do more with the interpersonal skills you possess on both sides than the profile, let us ask the guys who have spent a lot time on their profiles and even added their face pictures , what difference has this made?"

Very good point. Some of the most interesting people I've talked to have had very sparse profiles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hello hello. That is all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Two points I want to raise here:

1. Lots of female profiles state little more than wether they are looking for men or women.

2. I think it's a massive gamble to meet someone from here. Far better to use it as kinky Facebook for people you meet at clubs.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"

Yes......and no. My profile is deliberately minimal because sad unimaginative men kept copying my original one. I’m showing 12 veris but I’ve met over 100 people - it’s a combination of factors not just having a crap profile that stop men getting messages and meets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had a 10 line bio with a 'please put mango in ur message to sahow youve read this' at the end. Not one message had it... so deleted it. Made no difference to the amount of messages i get.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah men... I'm waggling my finger at you. Bloomin' lazy buggers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets

You seem to be doing well so what's the problem? "

Because she is picking guys with a good profile..so maybe you should be saying, the guys are doing well because of thier good profile

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets

You seem to be doing well so what's the problem?

Because she is picking guys with a good profile..so maybe you should be saying, the guys are doing well because of thier good profile"

The irony is that men who need profile advice don’t always take the advice they are given and probably won’t read this thread anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had a 10 line bio with a 'please put mango in ur message to sahow youve read this' at the end. Not one message had it... so deleted it. Made no difference to the amount of messages i get. "

And now it is just taken up with that ridiculous unenforceable warning..I steal your pics ..if you find me, are you going to take me to court..dear judge this fella stole my cock pics..would it be worth the court costs plus the exposure to your swinging life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't understand this. Men, or anyone really, that need to be telling how they should put together a profile aren't the sort of person I'd want to meet anyway. So feel free to carry on as you are you guys

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Loads of men make a big effort with their profiles. "

And loads of women don't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thought I had made an effort !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"

Thanks for the heads up, I shall double my efforts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with you OP and there seems to be more and more of those just recently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't understand this. Men, or anyone really, that need to be telling how they should put together a profile aren't the sort of person I'd want to meet anyway. So feel free to carry on as you are you guys "

I agree with Scarlet on this one.

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By *udistnorthantsMan
over a year ago

Desborough

I'll leave mine as it is thankyou, with the occasional update...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't understand this. Men, or anyone really, that need to be telling how they should put together a profile aren't the sort of person I'd want to meet anyway. So feel free to carry on as you are you guys "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is there any point in putting the effort in ?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"Is there any point in putting the effort in ?"
it takes just as much effort to write a shit profile than it does a good one. You just choose different words and put them in a different place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

May profile got looked at by 10 people last week . So how is what I write on it going to make a difference? If no one looks it doesn't matter what i wright

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"May profile got looked at by 10 people last week . So how is what I write on it going to make a difference? If no one looks it doesn't matter what i wright "
write, right? Why put up barriers? Some people look in stealth mode so you don’t know they’re looking. Either make an effort or not. Who cares? If you don’t think having a god profile matters, fine. It’s only opinion and like assholes, everyone has one.

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By *eorge n DragonCouple
over a year ago

Cheshire

Yes.

We meet single men and any that cannot put a little bit of effort into profile we do not meet.

We always read and any that complain, brag about how good they are or put stupid statuses up are given a wide birth. Like to see something on a profile that can start a conversation about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"May profile got looked at by 10 people last week . So how is what I write on it going to make a difference? If no one looks it doesn't matter what i wright "

That's right. If it works for you and you're happy then no need to change a thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The totally sparse profiles are useful as they suggest that person isn’t going to stick around and has no interest in swinging. They make it better for the rest of us by self de-selecting.

I haven’t looked at many male profiles but I can say that there are vast numbers of very sparse profiles for women too. I suppose they know that they will get messages anyway so they aren’t too concerned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The totally sparse profiles are useful as they suggest that person isn’t going to stick around and has no interest in swinging. They make it better for the rest of us by self de-selecting.

I haven’t looked at many male profiles but I can say that there are vast numbers of very sparse profiles for women too. I suppose they know that they will get messages anyway so they aren’t too concerned. "

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit


"Loads of men make a big effort with their profiles.

And loads of women don't"

Because they don't have to - plain and simple, the ratio of men to women on here means that, regardless of how much effort they make, they'll always get messages and interest.

As others have said it's up to the individual how much effort they put into their profiles - if they're happy with it as it is and aren't bemoaning their lack of "luck" then good luck to them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"

Some of us do make the effort... And still get nowhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"May profile got looked at by 10 people last week . So how is what I write on it going to make a difference? If no one looks it doesn't matter what i wright "

There may be hundreds of people viewing your profile, you don't know. Many people use stealth mode to view. Your profile is all you have to get attention, so you should be making the most of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets

Some of us do make the effort... And still get nowhere. "

You've had 9 meets, so you're effort is paying off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't understand this. Men, or anyone really, that need to be telling how they should put together a profile aren't the sort of person I'd want to meet anyway. So feel free to carry on as you are you guys "

Agree.

OP your profile really isnt one to shout about, half arsed photos and asleep half way down the bio.. zzzzz

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Loads of women have dreadful profiles. I’ll save this thread in the ‘men bashing for the sake of it’ section.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"May profile got looked at by 10 people last week . So how is what I write on it going to make a difference? If no one looks it doesn't matter what i wright "

It does when you contact somebody and they then come to look at your profile...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well... ive been on and off the site several times and ive made loads of effort with my profile or barely bothered and it made no difference. My profile is somewhere in the middle right now though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"

Why concern yourself with profiles you find unappealing?

Contact concentrate on the ones that do appeal,you will enjoy fab all the more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Same applies to the women with the

Fill in later

20 Pussy pics

Expecting men to kneel and worship them.

But lets bash the guys yea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"May profile got looked at by 10 people last week . So how is what I write on it going to make a difference? If no one looks it doesn't matter what i wright

There may be hundreds of people viewing your profile, you don't know. Many people use stealth mode to view. Your profile is all you have to get attention, so you should be making the most of it."

Totally anecdotal, but I rewrote a male friends profile. He didn’t change his pics. His views increased hugely and for a sustained period. Nothing else about his forum/meet activity changed. I can only think that people view in stealth mode then reveal themselves if they like the profile.

* Not volunteering to rewrite anyone’s profile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"well... ive been on and off the site several times and ive made loads of effort with my profile or barely bothered and it made no difference. My profile is somewhere in the middle right now though"

Best legal para I’ve seen so far though!

And good cock texture. I like cock texture...

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By *rkeb3Man
over a year ago

east Lancashire road

Cose we don't give a rats arse lmao

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Same applies to the women with the

Fill in later

20 Pussy pics

Expecting men to kneel and worship them.

But lets bash the guys yea. "

Put up this profile with no pics and variant of ‘fill in later’ text. You had to be within a 15 year age range to contact me. 300 messages within 48 hours. If I was younger and less specific imagine what I would have got? 1000?

300+ individuals offering to shag a silhouette avatar about whom they knew nothing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"

Totally agree. But you forget. They go brain dead when horny. And they only go on fab when horny. So...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My profile is legend just like me

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By *ertsguy2000Man
over a year ago

hertford

I’ll take any advice any lady if kind enough to offer, preferably by PM, could do with without character assassination in public forum

HG

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But that seems like effort

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"
I have been told mine is good would like your comments

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"

As previous posters have said, a lot of men do make the effort, though as those who don't make any effort at all invariably use the scattergun approach to message every female within a certain radius, the amount of messages a lady will receive from this type is far greater than their proportional representation on Fab?

Think of it as this kind of graph;

•

|•

Guy's | •

Effort | •

Made on| •

Profile| •

and in | •

message| •

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Amount of 1st contact

messages the guy sends out

I like to think that I've put some effort into my own profile over time with my text plainly stating what I'm looking for, in a manner that some ladies will find appealing and with thought out pics?

So conversely I pratically never actually message or wink any ladies or couples before they contact me whatsoever as I have no need to, plus I have no wish to add to the massive backlog of mail they suffer from on here?

However I do reply with a lot of thought to those that message or wink me as then I know they're already interested in me in some way? I then choose potential playmates carefully from these.

Therefore OP, what you suggest these men do is indeed the right course of action for them to take, however if they did you would receive far less messages from them and therefore a greater number from new guys with a profile that had the silhouette avatar, a pic of a floppy penis over an unwashed toilet bowl and the text of "fill in later"...

It's a circle that can't be broken I'm afraid and is a way of life on Fab!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"

women why arent you making an effort and couples

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Grrr, you just can't get a decent graph posted on these forums!

But you get the idea...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've tried to stand out from the proverbial crowd

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any improvement to be made to my profile?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets

Totally agree. But you forget. They go brain dead when horny. And they only go on fab when horny. So... "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think success on here has fuck all to do with the profile. You can put tremendous effort into your profile and still end up with less meets than the guy who gets out and about instead. Some of the most successful guys on here have pretty mediocre profiles. I certainly haven't put half the effort into mine that I could (if I thought it would work). I've got my own theory on what the real secret to success is. And I can sell it to you for only £9.99

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By *lorious hole bs16Man
over a year ago

Bristol

I think we are all on here for a number of different reasons..

Many single males have no intention whatsoever of meeting,so why put any effort in? Reading profiles,looking at pics and masturbating is all they want..

I get the impression you are VERY fussy and want people to do as you do, e.g make an effort.

It doesn't work that way.

Hope you find what yr after.

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By *good-being-badMan
over a year ago

mis-types and auto corrects leads cock leeds

The daily single guy bashing thread.. I may have missed the earlier ones

Op. I have a suggestion..

Don't like the messages, don't like the profiles that do message.

Block those genders that do cause you this strife. Oh no I might miss a diamond I hear ladies cry.. don't whinge when some crap comes through.

Do the searching yourself. That way you can choose who you think theire profile or interests are suitable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Same applies to the women with the

Fill in later

20 Pussy pics

Expecting men to kneel and worship them.

But lets bash the guys yea.

Put up this profile with no pics and variant of ‘fill in later’ text. You had to be within a 15 year age range to contact me. 300 messages within 48 hours. If I was younger and less specific imagine what I would have got? 1000?

300+ individuals offering to shag a silhouette avatar about whom they knew nothing. "

Ok.... But we all know guys will do that its not a secret.

For us men who like to read a decent profile as do some women here its boring. those profiles I mention are just as bad as these guys with no effot put it. But I'll start a thread about that later

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So go on then.... Improve mine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Profiles come apart so easily when held together with lies

I'm the best shag on fab honest

Gospel truth

Some people believe anything that's put in front of them

Profiles tell you jack sxxt

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By *good-being-badMan
over a year ago

mis-types and auto corrects leads cock leeds

You could have the most descriptive informative enticing profile on fab.

You could write the most interesting unique intro message ever .

.if the reader don't find you attractive.. two chances of a meet. slim and none and slim is leaving town.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You could have the most descriptive informative enticing profile on fab.

You could write the most interesting unique intro message ever .

.if the reader don't find you attractive.. two chances of a meet. slim and none and slim is leaving town.

"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Loads of women have dreadful profiles. I’ll save this thread in the ‘men bashing for the sake of it’ section. "

Indeed they do... I've seen some shockers from both genders and some couples too.

But I'm willing to bet that they aren't the ones stuffing the OP's mailbox full of shite that makes it harder for her to converse with those that take her fancy? She can only write personally about her own experiences after all.

This isn't a "man-bashing" thread. It's a dickhead-bashing thread. And as my own penis doesn't dangle from my cranium I take no offence from it whatsoever.

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By *inful xWoman
over a year ago

In a sleepy little village

I don't pay particular attention to profiles. Some of my best meets have come from people who had very little information /pictures.

It's the message that matters

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By *ixedblkinjectionMan
over a year ago

london

My profile might not be the best, but I have put some effort in!!!

It does seem like some people think this is a proper dating site...I want people to know just a enough about me; not my whole life story or pics from all angles etc..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't pay particular attention to profiles. Some of my best meets have come from people who had very little information /pictures.

It's the message that matters "

And the clear face picture ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am making an effort

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't pay particular attention to profiles. Some of my best meets have come from people who had very little information /pictures.

It's the message that matters "

You could be William Wordsworth, but most women don’t read or reply to a message, if you’ve got a crap profile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't pay particular attention to profiles. Some of my best meets have come from people who had very little information /pictures.

It's the message that matters

You could be William Wordsworth, but most women don’t read or reply to a message, if you’ve got a crap profile. "

They do, if you have nice pictures

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By *inful xWoman
over a year ago

In a sleepy little village


"I don't pay particular attention to profiles. Some of my best meets have come from people who had very little information /pictures.

It's the message that matters

And the clear face picture ? "

There's no point in having a conversation with someone I don't find attractive. That's wasting their time and mine

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think we are all on here for a number of different reasons..

Many single males have no intention whatsoever of meeting,so why put any effort in? Reading profiles,looking at pics and masturbating is all they want..

How naive ofmne - I hadn't considered that possibility!

I get the impression you are VERY fussy and want people to do as you do, e.g make an effort.

It doesn't work that way.

Hope you find what yr after."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't pay particular attention to profiles. Some of my best meets have come from people who had very little information /pictures.

It's the message that matters

And the clear face picture ?

There's no point in having a conversation with someone I don't find attractive. That's wasting their time and mine "

Tbf I don't know many who'd willingly agree to shag a mystery silhouette... Though admittedly I don't tend to socialise within the dickhead fraternity that the OP describes?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets

Why concern yourself with profiles you find unappealing?

Contact concentrate on the ones that do appeal,you will enjoy fab all the more."

Not a real concern but a mere observation hoping it will trigger an interesting debate -which it clearly has.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

When the local women make more of an effort in the gym, I'll make more of an effort with my profile.

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By *ngelina4uWoman
over a year ago

Camberley/Middleton


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"

I would say you have a point its fair to say more than 50% only put in minimal effort a few lines at best and a cock pic but as a woman this makes initial filtering out easier after all you want a guy who puts effort in all round through choice not being pushed into it.

I say lazy guys keep on being lazy it makes it easier to find the more proactive men.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank god for the vanilla world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't pay particular attention to profiles. Some of my best meets have come from people who had very little information /pictures.

It's the message that matters

And the clear face picture ?

There's no point in having a conversation with someone I don't find attractive. That's wasting their time and mine "
100%

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By *good-being-badMan
over a year ago

mis-types and auto corrects leads cock leeds


"Loads of women have dreadful profiles. I’ll save this thread in the ‘men bashing for the sake of it’ section.

Indeed they do... I've seen some shockers from both genders and some couples too.

But I'm willing to bet that they aren't the ones stuffing the OP's mailbox full of shite that makes it harder for her to converse with those that take her fancy? She can only write personally about her own experiences after all.

This isn't a "man-bashing" thread. It's a dickhead-bashing thread. And as my own penis doesn't dangle from my cranium I take no offence from it whatsoever."

I think titling the thread as she hhas "males why don't you ".. is a dig, I'm not offended ..it's tiresome that there are threads started daily by folk having a pop , Wwhen the site provides tools that would alleviate the as you say 'dick head' message problem ..it seems folk are willing to accept the problem (if it's causing strife I'd change something) then post threads complaining about other users and how they use the site. by using the tools the site provides it would prevent the as you say 'dick heads' and she could happily converse with whomever... assuming of course the other party wished to converse with them.. everyone can say no thanks, ignore or delete as appropriate.

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By *u4rFunMan
over a year ago

wigan

My profile describes me and I can understand women who don’t answer married men, but I won’t put pictures on due too 2 incidents involving 1 woman and a man . Both were total idiots , don’t want go into details. Willingly send to those who I think are genuine . Would have thought lots of women have had similar experiences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought I went all out with my profile pic and kept the rest of my profile short and sweet to allow my messages and meets do the gettting to know me better

And no I dont get it right all the time but damn it do I try!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I try with my profile and certainly dont complain if im not what somebody is looking far .

I think you have to treat people with respect when approaching them as you would in public.

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By *offee and Cream 2Couple (MM)
over a year ago

Loughborough

No, no, no......

Let them be.....

The worst their profiles are,

The better the chances for me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Loads of women have dreadful profiles. I’ll save this thread in the ‘men bashing for the sake of it’ section.

Indeed they do... I've seen some shockers from both genders and some couples too.

But I'm willing to bet that they aren't the ones stuffing the OP's mailbox full of shite that makes it harder for her to converse with those that take her fancy? She can only write personally about her own experiences after all.

This isn't a "man-bashing" thread. It's a dickhead-bashing thread. And as my own penis doesn't dangle from my cranium I take no offence from it whatsoever."

Absolutely agree.

It always makes me laugh how threads like this seem to bother some people. If it doesn’t apply to you, it shouldn’t really bother you.

Plenty of people have shitty profiles but I’d guess the OP is talking from her own experience as she wants to meet men.

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By *heHookyMonsterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"

Indeed some of us do. The response level is still incredibly low though to be fair. (Not a complaint - just an observation). I can see both sides of the argument if I'm honest, especially as lots of you good ladies on here mention what we (collectively as males) do things wrong, but (and there is a BUT) even if you make sure of an interesting and respectful message, no cutting and pasting, good, honest face photos, no cock shots etc. etc. The chances of the message being read are around the 5 - 10% mark, the chances of that message getting any response (including a simple 'Sorry, not for me') are around 2 - 5%% and getting any kind of message back other than that are less than 1%. I've seen the message lists of my female friends on here and they're long and generally awful, with very little respect from men - and sometimes couples - and that probably also means a lot of worthy efforts are also missed, or not bothered with.

As I say these are simply facts, not complaints. Fab is what it is. It's unlikely to change in any meaningful way, so both sexes probably only have the choices of a) Carry on as we are, or b) Leave. I wish it were not so, but can't see a way round it, other than attending socials, which if it wasn't for Fab most of us wouldn't even know about. It's the most successful approach for me by a long distance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying. "

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

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By *heHookyMonsterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"I should caveat the above by saying that there are plenty of single guys on here who DO get the way the site works, DO have the right expectations and approach and put the right level of effort into their profiles and They're the ones you should focus on "

If only! You're spot on though!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"

Hang on a minute, your profile makes you out to be a very fussy woman looking for very specific features in a man. Your profile also states your looking for a particular man but your veri's say very differently otherwise with many different meeets

Perhaps you too need to go back to tthe drawing board and rework your profile a bit, just my 2 cents

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets

Hang on a minute, your profile makes you out to be a very fussy woman looking for very specific features in a man. Your profile also states your looking for a particular man but your veri's say very differently otherwise with many different meeets

Perhaps you too need to go back to tthe drawing board and rework your profile a bit, just my 2 cents

"

She didn’t ask for profile advice...

You should only be giving profile advice when the OP has asked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Loads of men make a big effort with their profiles.

Oh I agree... perhaps it's just the lazy ones who message me! But by the same token many complain on the forums about no success with meets when it's obvious they have made no effort with their profile

That can't be the sole reason. Ratio of men:women/couples for example

But given that ratio surely the thing to do is make an effort to stand out and go with something appealing?

Know it's tough for single guys on here, and finding the right profile is tough - but I honestly think there are a lot that don't help themselves - or even when they do ask for advice don't take it.

All too often you see single guys blaming the ratio of men to women or any number of other things as the reason they don't get what they are looking for from the site, when more often than not the main reason is staring them in the face, a mixture of their profile and their expectations and approach "

There has to be a limit though, you can't demean yourself by jumping through hoops to please. Some self respect stops myself from that route

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets

Hang on a minute, your profile makes you out to be a very fussy woman looking for very specific features in a man. Your profile also states your looking for a particular man but your veri's say very differently otherwise with many different meeets

Perhaps you too need to go back to tthe drawing board and rework your profile a bit, just my 2 cents

She didn’t ask for profile advice...

You should only be giving profile advice when the OP has asked. "

The poster might not know he risks a forum ban for giving unsolicited profile advice.

The folksy fab admin phrase is ‘nit picking’ I think.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Hmmm, so people in glass houses CAN throw stones... who knew!?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets

Hang on a minute, your profile makes you out to be a very fussy woman looking for very specific features in a man. Your profile also states your looking for a particular man but your veri's say very differently otherwise with many different meeets

Perhaps you too need to go back to tthe drawing board and rework your profile a bit, just my 2 cents

She didn’t ask for profile advice...

You should only be giving profile advice when the OP has asked. "

I am making a counter observation based on OP. What am I not entitled to an opinion to point out another bad profile when I see one? Not that my own profile is anything to shout out about but at least its honest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets

Hang on a minute, your profile makes you out to be a very fussy woman looking for very specific features in a man. Your profile also states your looking for a particular man but your veri's say very differently otherwise with many different meeets

Perhaps you too need to go back to tthe drawing board and rework your profile a bit, just my 2 cents

She didn’t ask for profile advice...

You should only be giving profile advice when the OP has asked.

I am making a counter observation based on OP. What am I not entitled to an opinion to point out another bad profile when I see one? Not that my own profile is anything to shout out about but at least its honest."

The rules are the rules.

I don’t consider the OP’s profile bad, but again, she didn’t ask for profile advice so you shouldn’t be giving it.

As Tiger said, it can lead to a forum ban, if that’s your aim, continue by all means.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank you. I didnt know unsolicited profile advice would lead to a ban!

But I wasnt offering any advice. Just made an observation of OP's profile based on her original post was all.

Thou shall not judge, lest ye be judged and all that anyway profiles shouldnt be taken so seriously anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmmm, so people in glass houses CAN throw stones... who knew!?"

I do not live in a fancy posh glass house

Its all solid old-skool brick and concrete here baby haha

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By *heHookyMonsterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Loads of men make a big effort with their profiles.

Oh I agree... perhaps it's just the lazy ones who message me! But by the same token many complain on the forums about no success with meets when it's obvious they have made no effort with their profile

That can't be the sole reason. Ratio of men:women/couples for example

But given that ratio surely the thing to do is make an effort to stand out and go with something appealing?

Know it's tough for single guys on here, and finding the right profile is tough - but I honestly think there are a lot that don't help themselves - or even when they do ask for advice don't take it.

All too often you see single guys blaming the ratio of men to women or any number of other things as the reason they don't get what they are looking for from the site, when more often than not the main reason is staring them in the face, a mixture of their profile and their expectations and approach

There has to be a limit though, you can't demean yourself by jumping through hoops to please. Some self respect stops myself from that route"

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By *rscotsdudeMan
over a year ago

angus

Its interesting this...

I really don't think it makes much difference for a man to have a shit hot profile . I always look at profiles to see if that particular person has anything in common with me. If they do I will message but most don't open the message or look at my profile. Admittedly, there is stealth mode.

I know my profile isn't up to much but is it worth the effort adding more.....I think not.

I would have more success going to socials and maybe even chat rooms ect.

As for Tracey who started this...she strikes me as fit, intelligent , somewhat kinky and dominant as seen many a post on forums to judge for myself.

Would I like to message her?...of course I would but I know I don't fit the bill as I know from reading her profile.

I know it terrible to say but do men ever get less luck by being more of a dick or bastard!? I'm not sure....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"well... ive been on and off the site several times and ive made loads of effort with my profile or barely bothered and it made no difference. My profile is somewhere in the middle right now though

Best legal para I’ve seen so far though!

And good cock texture. I like cock texture... "

Thanks. I’m

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By *heHookyMonsterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running. "

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Hmmm, so people in glass houses CAN throw stones... who knew!?

I do not live in a fancy posh glass house

Its all solid old-skool brick and concrete here baby haha"

I wasn't referring to you sir.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others. "

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

plenty of women and couples and tv/cd with no profiles or very little written profiles too ??????

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By *weetandHungMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"

I have tried with mine op do you like xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running. "

I'd agree with this. Fab tends to follow a certain route I've found for single men using my own experience;

1) Join. Construct profile that is the bare bones, with no pics. Receive zero attention.

2) Start sending messages out. Not too well thought out ones, with said profile. Stick a profile pic on. Receive little to no replies.

3) Reinvigorate profile. Put up pics, possibly too many of cock. Send messages again. Sparse replies start being received. MAY get first meet.

4) Make profile informative and a little fun. Join in forum discussions if you find them enjoyable. Ditch multitude of cock pics. Put up better ones that are more flattering. Messages tailored to individual ladies, stating why they appeal and what you can offer. More replies received and meets gained as a result. With each successive veri you are proven more as genuine and actually having something to offer?

5) Take time to think out every single pic on your profile. If you don't find an area of you flattering, work to improve it by asking those in the know for advice with social and sexual abilities and knowledge, by hitting it hard in the gym for physical attributes. Make text seductive... Limit mails you send out to those that you think you are ideal for. Make an effort to strike up a rapport with others socially, men and women as you then view Fab as a fun society as well as a multitude of potential playmates. Receive replies to over half your mails, with a great many of these leading to successful meets.

6) Notice that you now have more incoming mails than you send out and that the time taken to reply thoughtfully to all your incoming mails when you're not meeting or have other commitments such as work, kids etc is now such that something has to give, so you ditch sending out intitial mails or winks to anyone altogether. This has no bearing whatsoever on your having a fun and varied sex life with the many who contact you that you find appealing, as well as striking up plenty of friendships with other fab users. Fab becomes your primary online social circle.

This is how my own profile/messages/experience of fab altered over time. As you say, the problem is that many men will either give up before reaching stage 4, or they lack the social abilities or attributes to ever reach it. The time given to reach each stage is also different for each user, I got to stage 4 in probably 4 or 5 weeks? And it's often dependant on a whole host of variables too, such as free time available, physical starting attributes, intellect, ability to learn, desire to please and plain old luck!

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By *ommando4Man
over a year ago

South Co. Dublin

Offering my profile for critique as I'd really like to improve it so it stands out from the crowd. All feedback welcome as I intend to act on constructive criticism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You get out of FAB what you put in.

You just have to do different things to get noticed as a single guy.

Either become known in the forums or have a decent profile and pics and you’ll get some attention. Be respectful, engaging and you’ll get messsges.

I see it as an opportunity to chat/meet with people I wouldn’t get the chance to meet in the real world, as in you’d never bump into them.

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By *llie_worcMan
over a year ago

bristol

I've met who I want to so I just leave my profile here for the odd browse around but not really looking to meet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The truth is a good looking bloke, with a good body etc , wouldn’t have to work to hard on his profile, as long as he wasn’t a complete jerk, to get interest from women. If you’re average looking with a dad bod, you’ve got your work cut out, cause theyre 20 a penny on here, so you need to put in an effort. Women can afford to pick and choose on here, so they do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

I'd agree with this. Fab tends to follow a certain route I've found for single men using my own experience;

1) Join. Construct profile that is the bare bones, with no pics. Receive zero attention.

2) Start sending messages out. Not too well thought out ones, with said profile. Stick a profile pic on. Receive little to no replies.

3) Reinvigorate profile. Put up pics, possibly too many of cock. Send messages again. Sparse replies start being received. MAY get first meet.

4) Make profile informative and a little fun. Join in forum discussions if you find them enjoyable. Ditch multitude of cock pics. Put up better ones that are more flattering. Messages tailored to individual ladies, stating why they appeal and what you can offer. More replies received and meets gained as a result. With each successive veri you are proven more as genuine and actually having something to offer?

5) Take time to think out every single pic on your profile. If you don't find an area of you flattering, work to improve it by asking those in the know for advice with social and sexual abilities and knowledge, by hitting it hard in the gym for physical attributes. Make text seductive... Limit mails you send out to those that you think you are ideal for. Make an effort to strike up a rapport with others socially, men and women as you then view Fab as a fun society as well as a multitude of potential playmates. Receive replies to over half your mails, with a great many of these leading to successful meets.

6) Notice that you now have more incoming mails than you send out and that the time taken to reply thoughtfully to all your incoming mails when you're not meeting or have other commitments such as work, kids etc is now such that something has to give, so you ditch sending out intitial mails or winks to anyone altogether. This has no bearing whatsoever on your having a fun and varied sex life with the many who contact you that you find appealing, as well as striking up plenty of friendships with other fab users. Fab becomes your primary online social circle.

This is how my own profile/messages/experience of fab altered over time. As you say, the problem is that many men will either give up before reaching stage 4, or they lack the social abilities or attributes to ever reach it. The time given to reach each stage is also different for each user, I got to stage 4 in probably 4 or 5 weeks? And it's often dependant on a whole host of variables too, such as free time available, physical starting attributes, intellect, ability to learn, desire to please and plain old luck!

"

What a post!

I completely agree!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The truth is a good looking bloke, with a good body etc , wouldn’t have to work to hard on his profile, as long as he wasn’t a complete jerk, to get interest from women. If you’re average looking with a dad bod, you’ve got your work cut out, cause theyre 20 a penny on here, so you need to put in an effort. Women can afford to pick and choose on here, so they do. "

And don't they let us know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Offering my profile for critique as I'd really like to improve it so it stands out from the crowd. All feedback welcome as I intend to act on constructive criticism. "

Your profile looks great to me!

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By *ommando4Man
over a year ago

South Co. Dublin


"Offering my profile for critique as I'd really like to improve it so it stands out from the crowd. All feedback welcome as I intend to act on constructive criticism.

Your profile looks great to me! "
Thanks but I'm sure you see something that could be improved on ?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I rely on my messages and pics.

And to be honest I can’t be arsed at the moment.

Can’t find enough team to meet the person I really want to meet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Offering my profile for critique as I'd really like to improve it so it stands out from the crowd. All feedback welcome as I intend to act on constructive criticism.

Your profile looks great to me! Thanks but I'm sure you see something that could be improved on ?"

The grouting on the bathroom tiles.

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By *good-being-badMan
over a year ago

mis-types and auto corrects leads cock leeds


"The truth is a good looking bloke, with a good body etc , wouldn’t have to work to hard on his profile, as long as he wasn’t a complete jerk, to get interest from women. If you’re average looking with a dad bod, you’ve got your work cut out, cause theyre 20 a penny on here, so you need to put in an effort. Women can afford to pick and choose on here, so they do.

And don't they let us know "

Yep some do.. if guys stopped pandering jumping through hoops hoping to impress the balance would be vastly improved.. guys have exactly the same choices as everyone else ..we can all say yes please and no thanks..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets

Some of us do"

Great profile

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"Offering my profile for critique as I'd really like to improve it so it stands out from the crowd. All feedback welcome as I intend to act on constructive criticism.

Your profile looks great to me! Thanks but I'm sure you see something that could be improved on ?

The grouting on the bathroom tiles."
huh! Talk about generalisations!!! some of the grouting is very best and tidy. Like a vag pic I saw earlier.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Offering my profile for critique as I'd really like to improve it so it stands out from the crowd. All feedback welcome as I intend to act on constructive criticism.

Your profile looks great to me! Thanks but I'm sure you see something that could be improved on ?"

Maybe a photo in a suit or similar?

But that’s my selfish ask lol!

I really don’t think there is much to improve on as you have plenty of photos of yourself and your written part is very detailed. You’ve got it spot on in my opinion.

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By *ommando4Man
over a year ago

South Co. Dublin


"Offering my profile for critique as I'd really like to improve it so it stands out from the crowd. All feedback welcome as I intend to act on constructive criticism.

Your profile looks great to me! Thanks but I'm sure you see something that could be improved on ?

Maybe a photo in a suit or similar?

But that’s my selfish ask lol!

I really don’t think there is much to improve on as you have plenty of photos of yourself and your written part is very detailed. You’ve got it spot on in my opinion. "
Thanks...great idea....I'll get on it right away.

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By *heHookyMonsterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here. "

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture.

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit


"Loads of men make a big effort with their profiles.

Oh I agree... perhaps it's just the lazy ones who message me! But by the same token many complain on the forums about no success with meets when it's obvious they have made no effort with their profile

That can't be the sole reason. Ratio of men:women/couples for example

But given that ratio surely the thing to do is make an effort to stand out and go with something appealing?

Know it's tough for single guys on here, and finding the right profile is tough - but I honestly think there are a lot that don't help themselves - or even when they do ask for advice don't take it.

All too often you see single guys blaming the ratio of men to women or any number of other things as the reason they don't get what they are looking for from the site, when more often than not the main reason is staring them in the face, a mixture of their profile and their expectations and approach

There has to be a limit though, you can't demean yourself by jumping through hoops to please. Some self respect stops myself from that route"

Of course you shouldn't demean yourself or jump through what you perceive as hoops - if you see a profile that makes you feel that way it's obviously not the right one for you.

The key to this place is finding what works for you, adopting the right approach and having correctly set expectations. As with anything in life you can't expect everyone to be for you (and I'm not suggesting that you do) - sadly a lot of single guys on here DO see "sex site" when they sign up and expect it to be the entryway to immediate sex when it's anything but that.

All I'm saying is that by making an effort with your profile, with things like getting active in the forums and going to group socials it can only improve the experience even if it doesn't guarantee anything. And part of that effort is definitely NOT about jumping through hoops or demeaning your own set of values.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"

I made an effort with mine to be honest about what I'm looking for on here but it's still hard to stand out as a single male in a market over saturated with single males.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture. "

That may be the case for you.

But there are many guys on here who do exceptionally well and have a well thought out profile and plenty of photos.

Correcting the numbers game doesn’t mean you’ll suddenly get more meets, if someone’s not interested they’re just not interested regardless of what you say or what you put on your profile.

I think a lot of people forget that. Adding a few more photos or adding to your profile doesn’t automatically mean you are going to have success. It may help, but it’s not guaranteed at all.

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By *udewhennudeMan
over a year ago

newport


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

I'd agree with this. Fab tends to follow a certain route I've found for single men using my own experience;

1) Join. Construct profile that is the bare bones, with no pics. Receive zero attention.

2) Start sending messages out. Not too well thought out ones, with said profile. Stick a profile pic on. Receive little to no replies.

3) Reinvigorate profile. Put up pics, possibly too many of cock. Send messages again. Sparse replies start being received. MAY get first meet.

4) Make profile informative and a little fun. Join in forum discussions if you find them enjoyable. Ditch multitude of cock pics. Put up better ones that are more flattering. Messages tailored to individual ladies, stating why they appeal and what you can offer. More replies received and meets gained as a result. With each successive veri you are proven more as genuine and actually having something to offer?

5) Take time to think out every single pic on your profile. If you don't find an area of you flattering, work to improve it by asking those in the know for advice with social and sexual abilities and knowledge, by hitting it hard in the gym for physical attributes. Make text seductive... Limit mails you send out to those that you think you are ideal for. Make an effort to strike up a rapport with others socially, men and women as you then view Fab as a fun society as well as a multitude of potential playmates. Receive replies to over half your mails, with a great many of these leading to successful meets.

6) Notice that you now have more incoming mails than you send out and that the time taken to reply thoughtfully to all your incoming mails when you're not meeting or have other commitments such as work, kids etc is now such that something has to give, so you ditch sending out intitial mails or winks to anyone altogether. This has no bearing whatsoever on your having a fun and varied sex life with the many who contact you that you find appealing, as well as striking up plenty of friendships with other fab users. Fab becomes your primary online social circle.

This is how my own profile/messages/experience of fab altered over time. As you say, the problem is that many men will either give up before reaching stage 4, or they lack the social abilities or attributes to ever reach it. The time given to reach each stage is also different for each user, I got to stage 4 in probably 4 or 5 weeks? And it's often dependant on a whole host of variables too, such as free time available, physical starting attributes, intellect, ability to learn, desire to please and plain old luck!

"

It's good that that has worked for you, but there's dozens of successful models that can be used on here. I don't think I've ever got to stage 4, but despite my age and dads bod, I used my social skills from the beginning and have been very successful over the years. I look at threads where people say they can't get meets or replies and think, it's not rocket science to construct a profile and send decent messages.

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By *heHookyMonsterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture.

That may be the case for you.

But there are many guys on here who do exceptionally well and have a well thought out profile and plenty of photos.

Correcting the numbers game doesn’t mean you’ll suddenly get more meets, if someone’s not interested they’re just not interested regardless of what you say or what you put on your profile.

I think a lot of people forget that. Adding a few more photos or adding to your profile doesn’t automatically mean you are going to have success. It may help, but it’s not guaranteed at all. "

Agreed - nothing is guaranteed. The guys who think it should be are serious deluded (not to mention out of order) - and according to my female friends are the majority of men who send disrespectful one liners day in and day out. I don't think it's a coincidence that the guys who are successful through their messaging and profile tend to be the ones who live in the gym etc. Fair play to them, but it suggests that it's the numbers game once again - as long as you look like a male model. What you say about adding to a profile suggests we're in agreement - it certainly doesn't hinder, but doesn't make much positive difference either. The laws of natural selection will always apply, probably even more so than the vanilla world. The fact that I do well via socials suggests I have to rely on personality as trying to compete with a six foot adonis is never going to be realistic.

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By *heHookyMonsterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

I'd agree with this. Fab tends to follow a certain route I've found for single men using my own experience;

1) Join. Construct profile that is the bare bones, with no pics. Receive zero attention.

2) Start sending messages out. Not too well thought out ones, with said profile. Stick a profile pic on. Receive little to no replies.

3) Reinvigorate profile. Put up pics, possibly too many of cock. Send messages again. Sparse replies start being received. MAY get first meet.

4) Make profile informative and a little fun. Join in forum discussions if you find them enjoyable. Ditch multitude of cock pics. Put up better ones that are more flattering. Messages tailored to individual ladies, stating why they appeal and what you can offer. More replies received and meets gained as a result. With each successive veri you are proven more as genuine and actually having something to offer?

5) Take time to think out every single pic on your profile. If you don't find an area of you flattering, work to improve it by asking those in the know for advice with social and sexual abilities and knowledge, by hitting it hard in the gym for physical attributes. Make text seductive... Limit mails you send out to those that you think you are ideal for. Make an effort to strike up a rapport with others socially, men and women as you then view Fab as a fun society as well as a multitude of potential playmates. Receive replies to over half your mails, with a great many of these leading to successful meets.

6) Notice that you now have more incoming mails than you send out and that the time taken to reply thoughtfully to all your incoming mails when you're not meeting or have other commitments such as work, kids etc is now such that something has to give, so you ditch sending out intitial mails or winks to anyone altogether. This has no bearing whatsoever on your having a fun and varied sex life with the many who contact you that you find appealing, as well as striking up plenty of friendships with other fab users. Fab becomes your primary online social circle.

This is how my own profile/messages/experience of fab altered over time. As you say, the problem is that many men will either give up before reaching stage 4, or they lack the social abilities or attributes to ever reach it. The time given to reach each stage is also different for each user, I got to stage 4 in probably 4 or 5 weeks? And it's often dependant on a whole host of variables too, such as free time available, physical starting attributes, intellect, ability to learn, desire to please and plain old luck!

It's good that that has worked for you, but there's dozens of successful models that can be used on here. I don't think I've ever got to stage 4, but despite my age and dads bod, I used my social skills from the beginning and have been very successful over the years. I look at threads where people say they can't get meets or replies and think, it's not rocket science to construct a profile and send decent messages."

Agree completely - which was my argument in support of attending socials and actually getting seen.

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over a year ago


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture.

That may be the case for you.

But there are many guys on here who do exceptionally well and have a well thought out profile and plenty of photos.

Correcting the numbers game doesn’t mean you’ll suddenly get more meets, if someone’s not interested they’re just not interested regardless of what you say or what you put on your profile.

I think a lot of people forget that. Adding a few more photos or adding to your profile doesn’t automatically mean you are going to have success. It may help, but it’s not guaranteed at all.

Agreed - nothing is guaranteed. The guys who think it should be are serious deluded (not to mention out of order) - and according to my female friends are the majority of men who send disrespectful one liners day in and day out. I don't think it's a coincidence that the guys who are successful through their messaging and profile tend to be the ones who live in the gym etc. Fair play to them, but it suggests that it's the numbers game once again - as long as you look like a male model. What you say about adding to a profile suggests we're in agreement - it certainly doesn't hinder, but doesn't make much positive difference either. The laws of natural selection will always apply, probably even more so than the vanilla world. The fact that I do well via socials suggests I have to rely on personality as trying to compete with a six foot adonis is never going to be realistic. "

I strongly disagree that it’s just gym goers who have success.

Have a good look and you’ll see there are plenty of average decent men, even those with “dad bods” who do well.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture.

That may be the case for you.

But there are many guys on here who do exceptionally well and have a well thought out profile and plenty of photos.

Correcting the numbers game doesn’t mean you’ll suddenly get more meets, if someone’s not interested they’re just not interested regardless of what you say or what you put on your profile.

I think a lot of people forget that. Adding a few more photos or adding to your profile doesn’t automatically mean you are going to have success. It may help, but it’s not guaranteed at all.

Agreed - nothing is guaranteed. The guys who think it should be are serious deluded (not to mention out of order) - and according to my female friends are the majority of men who send disrespectful one liners day in and day out. I don't think it's a coincidence that the guys who are successful through their messaging and profile tend to be the ones who live in the gym etc. Fair play to them, but it suggests that it's the numbers game once again - as long as you look like a male model. What you say about adding to a profile suggests we're in agreement - it certainly doesn't hinder, but doesn't make much positive difference either. The laws of natural selection will always apply, probably even more so than the vanilla world. The fact that I do well via socials suggests I have to rely on personality as trying to compete with a six foot adonis is never going to be realistic.

I strongly disagree that it’s just gym goers who have success.

Have a good look and you’ll see there are plenty of average decent men, even those with “dad bods” who do well. "

It depends on if you think "doing well" is simply fucking anything with a pulse, or actually spending time looking for quality women.

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By *oelDorianMan
over a year ago

vanaheim


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"

unfortunately most men's profiles put the few of us men that put the time in to shame.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture.

That may be the case for you.

But there are many guys on here who do exceptionally well and have a well thought out profile and plenty of photos.

Correcting the numbers game doesn’t mean you’ll suddenly get more meets, if someone’s not interested they’re just not interested regardless of what you say or what you put on your profile.

I think a lot of people forget that. Adding a few more photos or adding to your profile doesn’t automatically mean you are going to have success. It may help, but it’s not guaranteed at all.

Agreed - nothing is guaranteed. The guys who think it should be are serious deluded (not to mention out of order) - and according to my female friends are the majority of men who send disrespectful one liners day in and day out. I don't think it's a coincidence that the guys who are successful through their messaging and profile tend to be the ones who live in the gym etc. Fair play to them, but it suggests that it's the numbers game once again - as long as you look like a male model. What you say about adding to a profile suggests we're in agreement - it certainly doesn't hinder, but doesn't make much positive difference either. The laws of natural selection will always apply, probably even more so than the vanilla world. The fact that I do well via socials suggests I have to rely on personality as trying to compete with a six foot adonis is never going to be realistic.

I strongly disagree that it’s just gym goers who have success.

Have a good look and you’ll see there are plenty of average decent men, even those with “dad bods” who do well.

It depends on if you think "doing well" is simply fucking anything with a pulse, or actually spending time looking for quality women. "

So every average bloke who isn’t classed as an Adonis is fucking anything with a pulse?

There are thousands of people on this site. It’s a bit naive to think the only ones who are successful are the “Adonis” type. It’s also pretty naive to think all the average men who get meets are fucking anything with a pulse, could be considered insulting actually.

Going by experience and from the messages I’ve had from all type a of men, it isn’t just the ripped gym goers who have success.

But then someone butthurt they aren’t getting any meets would say that.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"I don't understand this. Men, or anyone really, that need to be telling how they should put together a profile aren't the sort of person I'd want to meet anyway. So feel free to carry on as you are you guys

Agree.

OP your profile really isnt one to shout about, half arsed photos and asleep half way down the bio.. zzzzz"

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets

unfortunately most men's profiles put the few of us men that put the time in to shame."

Surely they help yours stand out?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bit of a generalisation OP

I’ve noticed plenty of couples and single females who have made very little or no effort in their profiles ether.... lets not turn this into another male shaming page - we are under the cosh as it is, if there are folk who choose not to make the effort then it is very likely they will not succeed... why worry?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"

I really don't understand this moan ?

Surely a bad profile reflects a man you don't want to meet or would want to meet

Surely there are enough men with good profiles that the poor ones are simply a good filter of men not worth any effort , block them and concentrate on men with good profiles

Surly the very last thing you discerning ladies would want is an inadequate man who does not have the wit to craft a good profile without being told , to falsely mis represent themselves with a shiny seductive profile ?

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By *oelDorianMan
over a year ago

vanaheim


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets

unfortunately most men's profiles put the few of us men that put the time in to shame.

Surely they help yours stand out?"

maybe i don't know

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here. "
well said

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture.

That may be the case for you.

But there are many guys on here who do exceptionally well and have a well thought out profile and plenty of photos.

Correcting the numbers game doesn’t mean you’ll suddenly get more meets, if someone’s not interested they’re just not interested regardless of what you say or what you put on your profile.

I think a lot of people forget that. Adding a few more photos or adding to your profile doesn’t automatically mean you are going to have success. It may help, but it’s not guaranteed at all.

Agreed - nothing is guaranteed. The guys who think it should be are serious deluded (not to mention out of order) - and according to my female friends are the majority of men who send disrespectful one liners day in and day out. I don't think it's a coincidence that the guys who are successful through their messaging and profile tend to be the ones who live in the gym etc. Fair play to them, but it suggests that it's the numbers game once again - as long as you look like a male model. What you say about adding to a profile suggests we're in agreement - it certainly doesn't hinder, but doesn't make much positive difference either. The laws of natural selection will always apply, probably even more so than the vanilla world. The fact that I do well via socials suggests I have to rely on personality as trying to compete with a six foot adonis is never going to be realistic.

I strongly disagree that it’s just gym goers who have success.

Have a good look and you’ll see there are plenty of average decent men, even those with “dad bods” who do well.

It depends on if you think "doing well" is simply fucking anything with a pulse, or actually spending time looking for quality women.

So every average bloke who isn’t classed as an Adonis is fucking anything with a pulse?

There are thousands of people on this site. It’s a bit naive to think the only ones who are successful are the “Adonis” type. It’s also pretty naive to think all the average men who get meets are fucking anything with a pulse, could be considered insulting actually.

Going by experience and from the messages I’ve had from all type a of men, it isn’t just the ripped gym goers who have success.

But then someone butthurt they aren’t getting any meets would say that. "

I wasn't really referring to any male body shapes doing well, or not doing well. I was simply pointing out that if you measure how well people are doing by how many times they've been fucked. Then maybe you're right. However, some of us have higher standards than that. And refuse to lower them. And some of us don't even take verifications at all, so you'd never know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here. "

True.. But!... By making an effort as you say, embellishing your profile, then meeting someone that makes you uncomfortable and end up meeting someone your not happy with.

A profile should reflect what yr looking for and not what you think it should say to bend to other people's expectations.

That's like eating a heap of Brussel sprouts coz you think it'll make them feel happy, it's a nonsense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture.

That may be the case for you.

But there are many guys on here who do exceptionally well and have a well thought out profile and plenty of photos.

Correcting the numbers game doesn’t mean you’ll suddenly get more meets, if someone’s not interested they’re just not interested regardless of what you say or what you put on your profile.

I think a lot of people forget that. Adding a few more photos or adding to your profile doesn’t automatically mean you are going to have success. It may help, but it’s not guaranteed at all.

Agreed - nothing is guaranteed. The guys who think it should be are serious deluded (not to mention out of order) - and according to my female friends are the majority of men who send disrespectful one liners day in and day out. I don't think it's a coincidence that the guys who are successful through their messaging and profile tend to be the ones who live in the gym etc. Fair play to them, but it suggests that it's the numbers game once again - as long as you look like a male model. What you say about adding to a profile suggests we're in agreement - it certainly doesn't hinder, but doesn't make much positive difference either. The laws of natural selection will always apply, probably even more so than the vanilla world. The fact that I do well via socials suggests I have to rely on personality as trying to compete with a six foot adonis is never going to be realistic.

I strongly disagree that it’s just gym goers who have success.

Have a good look and you’ll see there are plenty of average decent men, even those with “dad bods” who do well.

It depends on if you think "doing well" is simply fucking anything with a pulse, or actually spending time looking for quality women.

So every average bloke who isn’t classed as an Adonis is fucking anything with a pulse?

There are thousands of people on this site. It’s a bit naive to think the only ones who are successful are the “Adonis” type. It’s also pretty naive to think all the average men who get meets are fucking anything with a pulse, could be considered insulting actually.

Going by experience and from the messages I’ve had from all type a of men, it isn’t just the ripped gym goers who have success.

But then someone butthurt they aren’t getting any meets would say that.

I wasn't really referring to any male body shapes doing well, or not doing well. I was simply pointing out that if you measure how well people are doing by how many times they've been fucked. Then maybe you're right. However, some of us have higher standards than that. And refuse to lower them. And some of us don't even take verifications at all, so you'd never know. "

Everyone has different standards, I think most people get that.

But someone stated that it is only gym goers who have success here I stated that clearly isn’t the case whatsoever, what that has to do with standards I don’t know.

However, if we are talking of standards, if it’s only gym goers getting success according to one poster, the women meeting them must have real high standards and so he has no chance right? Surely if this is the case, what’s the point of any non gym goer being here... :D

I measure how well people are doing by their responses on forum posts similar to this, and of course their verifications. Its only logical when you have nothing else to go by.

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By *heHookyMonsterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture.

That may be the case for you.

But there are many guys on here who do exceptionally well and have a well thought out profile and plenty of photos.

Correcting the numbers game doesn’t mean you’ll suddenly get more meets, if someone’s not interested they’re just not interested regardless of what you say or what you put on your profile.

I think a lot of people forget that. Adding a few more photos or adding to your profile doesn’t automatically mean you are going to have success. It may help, but it’s not guaranteed at all.

Agreed - nothing is guaranteed. The guys who think it should be are serious deluded (not to mention out of order) - and according to my female friends are the majority of men who send disrespectful one liners day in and day out. I don't think it's a coincidence that the guys who are successful through their messaging and profile tend to be the ones who live in the gym etc. Fair play to them, but it suggests that it's the numbers game once again - as long as you look like a male model. What you say about adding to a profile suggests we're in agreement - it certainly doesn't hinder, but doesn't make much positive difference either. The laws of natural selection will always apply, probably even more so than the vanilla world. The fact that I do well via socials suggests I have to rely on personality as trying to compete with a six foot adonis is never going to be realistic.

I strongly disagree that it’s just gym goers who have success.

Have a good look and you’ll see there are plenty of average decent men, even those with “dad bods” who do well. "

I (at least partly) have a 'DaD bod' myself and am doing OK. Not suggesting that only those who are gym fit are the only ones who have success, but the ones who say they do on the forums are often those who's profile pictures show them to be. As I've said I can only speak from personal experience, which is to say I get very little response to messaging, but have a decent level of success through socials.

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over a year ago


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here. well said "

And i counter your "well said" with a "not well said"

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over a year ago


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

True.. But!... By making an effort as you say, embellishing your profile, then meeting someone that makes you uncomfortable and end up meeting someone your not happy with.

A profile should reflect what yr looking for and not what you think it should say to bend to other people's expectations.

That's like eating a heap of Brussel sprouts coz you think it'll make them feel happy, it's a nonsense "

I completely agree.

A profile should be honest and reflect you accurately. No point being someone you aren’t.

So if you’re a boring so and so who doesn’t want to hold a conversation and just wants to fuck and go. Put it on your profile!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"

Quite a sweeping statement there

Thought my profile was ok but hey, if you want to give some pointers then fire away

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture.

That may be the case for you.

But there are many guys on here who do exceptionally well and have a well thought out profile and plenty of photos.

Correcting the numbers game doesn’t mean you’ll suddenly get more meets, if someone’s not interested they’re just not interested regardless of what you say or what you put on your profile.

I think a lot of people forget that. Adding a few more photos or adding to your profile doesn’t automatically mean you are going to have success. It may help, but it’s not guaranteed at all.

Agreed - nothing is guaranteed. The guys who think it should be are serious deluded (not to mention out of order) - and according to my female friends are the majority of men who send disrespectful one liners day in and day out. I don't think it's a coincidence that the guys who are successful through their messaging and profile tend to be the ones who live in the gym etc. Fair play to them, but it suggests that it's the numbers game once again - as long as you look like a male model. What you say about adding to a profile suggests we're in agreement - it certainly doesn't hinder, but doesn't make much positive difference either. The laws of natural selection will always apply, probably even more so than the vanilla world. The fact that I do well via socials suggests I have to rely on personality as trying to compete with a six foot adonis is never going to be realistic.

I strongly disagree that it’s just gym goers who have success.

Have a good look and you’ll see there are plenty of average decent men, even those with “dad bods” who do well.

It depends on if you think "doing well" is simply fucking anything with a pulse, or actually spending time looking for quality women.

So every average bloke who isn’t classed as an Adonis is fucking anything with a pulse?

There are thousands of people on this site. It’s a bit naive to think the only ones who are successful are the “Adonis” type. It’s also pretty naive to think all the average men who get meets are fucking anything with a pulse, could be considered insulting actually.

Going by experience and from the messages I’ve had from all type a of men, it isn’t just the ripped gym goers who have success.

But then someone butthurt they aren’t getting any meets would say that.

I wasn't really referring to any male body shapes doing well, or not doing well. I was simply pointing out that if you measure how well people are doing by how many times they've been fucked. Then maybe you're right. However, some of us have higher standards than that. And refuse to lower them. And some of us don't even take verifications at all, so you'd never know.

Everyone has different standards, I think most people get that.

But someone stated that it is only gym goers who have success here I stated that clearly isn’t the case whatsoever, what that has to do with standards I don’t know.

However, if we are talking of standards, if it’s only gym goers getting success according to one poster, the women meeting them must have real high standards and so he has no chance right? Surely if this is the case, what’s the point of any non gym goer being here... :D

I measure how well people are doing by their responses on forum posts similar to this, and of course their verifications. Its only logical when you have nothing else to go by.

"

I disagree

Women can be fussy "gym bods etc.." becsuse theres stacks of guys on here...

Secondly, you say theres nothong else to go by. I disagree there too. How about striking up a conversation on here?

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By *heHookyMonsterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture.

That may be the case for you.

But there are many guys on here who do exceptionally well and have a well thought out profile and plenty of photos.

Correcting the numbers game doesn’t mean you’ll suddenly get more meets, if someone’s not interested they’re just not interested regardless of what you say or what you put on your profile.

I think a lot of people forget that. Adding a few more photos or adding to your profile doesn’t automatically mean you are going to have success. It may help, but it’s not guaranteed at all.

Agreed - nothing is guaranteed. The guys who think it should be are serious deluded (not to mention out of order) - and according to my female friends are the majority of men who send disrespectful one liners day in and day out. I don't think it's a coincidence that the guys who are successful through their messaging and profile tend to be the ones who live in the gym etc. Fair play to them, but it suggests that it's the numbers game once again - as long as you look like a male model. What you say about adding to a profile suggests we're in agreement - it certainly doesn't hinder, but doesn't make much positive difference either. The laws of natural selection will always apply, probably even more so than the vanilla world. The fact that I do well via socials suggests I have to rely on personality as trying to compete with a six foot adonis is never going to be realistic.

I strongly disagree that it’s just gym goers who have success.

Have a good look and you’ll see there are plenty of average decent men, even those with “dad bods” who do well.

It depends on if you think "doing well" is simply fucking anything with a pulse, or actually spending time looking for quality women. "

I guess quality is a subjective thing, dependent on taste. Personally I don't message too many, so the limited return is probably unsurprising, but the friends I do have are fabulous people. I think most of us with any kind of respect would like to think we're looking for that quality. ".......fucking anything with a pulse...." would be pretty soulless.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture.

That may be the case for you.

But there are many guys on here who do exceptionally well and have a well thought out profile and plenty of photos.

Correcting the numbers game doesn’t mean you’ll suddenly get more meets, if someone’s not interested they’re just not interested regardless of what you say or what you put on your profile.

I think a lot of people forget that. Adding a few more photos or adding to your profile doesn’t automatically mean you are going to have success. It may help, but it’s not guaranteed at all.

Agreed - nothing is guaranteed. The guys who think it should be are serious deluded (not to mention out of order) - and according to my female friends are the majority of men who send disrespectful one liners day in and day out. I don't think it's a coincidence that the guys who are successful through their messaging and profile tend to be the ones who live in the gym etc. Fair play to them, but it suggests that it's the numbers game once again - as long as you look like a male model. What you say about adding to a profile suggests we're in agreement - it certainly doesn't hinder, but doesn't make much positive difference either. The laws of natural selection will always apply, probably even more so than the vanilla world. The fact that I do well via socials suggests I have to rely on personality as trying to compete with a six foot adonis is never going to be realistic.

I strongly disagree that it’s just gym goers who have success.

Have a good look and you’ll see there are plenty of average decent men, even those with “dad bods” who do well.

It depends on if you think "doing well" is simply fucking anything with a pulse, or actually spending time looking for quality women.

So every average bloke who isn’t classed as an Adonis is fucking anything with a pulse?

There are thousands of people on this site. It’s a bit naive to think the only ones who are successful are the “Adonis” type. It’s also pretty naive to think all the average men who get meets are fucking anything with a pulse, could be considered insulting actually.

Going by experience and from the messages I’ve had from all type a of men, it isn’t just the ripped gym goers who have success.

But then someone butthurt they aren’t getting any meets would say that.

I wasn't really referring to any male body shapes doing well, or not doing well. I was simply pointing out that if you measure how well people are doing by how many times they've been fucked. Then maybe you're right. However, some of us have higher standards than that. And refuse to lower them. And some of us don't even take verifications at all, so you'd never know.

Everyone has different standards, I think most people get that.

But someone stated that it is only gym goers who have success here I stated that clearly isn’t the case whatsoever, what that has to do with standards I don’t know.

However, if we are talking of standards, if it’s only gym goers getting success according to one poster, the women meeting them must have real high standards and so he has no chance right? Surely if this is the case, what’s the point of any non gym goer being here... :D

I measure how well people are doing by their responses on forum posts similar to this, and of course their verifications. Its only logical when you have nothing else to go by.

"

I guess there's a good chance that those guys are meeting other gym fit women for gym fit fun! Maybe some guys who are less defined are feeling hard done by?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture.

That may be the case for you.

But there are many guys on here who do exceptionally well and have a well thought out profile and plenty of photos.

Correcting the numbers game doesn’t mean you’ll suddenly get more meets, if someone’s not interested they’re just not interested regardless of what you say or what you put on your profile.

I think a lot of people forget that. Adding a few more photos or adding to your profile doesn’t automatically mean you are going to have success. It may help, but it’s not guaranteed at all.

Agreed - nothing is guaranteed. The guys who think it should be are serious deluded (not to mention out of order) - and according to my female friends are the majority of men who send disrespectful one liners day in and day out. I don't think it's a coincidence that the guys who are successful through their messaging and profile tend to be the ones who live in the gym etc. Fair play to them, but it suggests that it's the numbers game once again - as long as you look like a male model. What you say about adding to a profile suggests we're in agreement - it certainly doesn't hinder, but doesn't make much positive difference either. The laws of natural selection will always apply, probably even more so than the vanilla world. The fact that I do well via socials suggests I have to rely on personality as trying to compete with a six foot adonis is never going to be realistic.

I strongly disagree that it’s just gym goers who have success.

Have a good look and you’ll see there are plenty of average decent men, even those with “dad bods” who do well.

It depends on if you think "doing well" is simply fucking anything with a pulse, or actually spending time looking for quality women.

So every average bloke who isn’t classed as an Adonis is fucking anything with a pulse?

There are thousands of people on this site. It’s a bit naive to think the only ones who are successful are the “Adonis” type. It’s also pretty naive to think all the average men who get meets are fucking anything with a pulse, could be considered insulting actually.

Going by experience and from the messages I’ve had from all type a of men, it isn’t just the ripped gym goers who have success.

But then someone butthurt they aren’t getting any meets would say that.

I wasn't really referring to any male body shapes doing well, or not doing well. I was simply pointing out that if you measure how well people are doing by how many times they've been fucked. Then maybe you're right. However, some of us have higher standards than that. And refuse to lower them. And some of us don't even take verifications at all, so you'd never know.

Everyone has different standards, I think most people get that.

But someone stated that it is only gym goers who have success here I stated that clearly isn’t the case whatsoever, what that has to do with standards I don’t know.

However, if we are talking of standards, if it’s only gym goers getting success according to one poster, the women meeting them must have real high standards and so he has no chance right? Surely if this is the case, what’s the point of any non gym goer being here... :D

I measure how well people are doing by their responses on forum posts similar to this, and of course their verifications. Its only logical when you have nothing else to go by.

I disagree

Women can be fussy "gym bods etc.." becsuse theres stacks of guys on here...

Secondly, you say theres nothong else to go by. I disagree there too. How about striking up a conversation on here? "

Striking up a conversation on where? The forums? Well isn’t that what we aren’t doing now?

Men can be fussy too, plenty are, some aren’t.

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over a year ago


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture.

That may be the case for you.

But there are many guys on here who do exceptionally well and have a well thought out profile and plenty of photos.

Correcting the numbers game doesn’t mean you’ll suddenly get more meets, if someone’s not interested they’re just not interested regardless of what you say or what you put on your profile.

I think a lot of people forget that. Adding a few more photos or adding to your profile doesn’t automatically mean you are going to have success. It may help, but it’s not guaranteed at all.

Agreed - nothing is guaranteed. The guys who think it should be are serious deluded (not to mention out of order) - and according to my female friends are the majority of men who send disrespectful one liners day in and day out. I don't think it's a coincidence that the guys who are successful through their messaging and profile tend to be the ones who live in the gym etc. Fair play to them, but it suggests that it's the numbers game once again - as long as you look like a male model. What you say about adding to a profile suggests we're in agreement - it certainly doesn't hinder, but doesn't make much positive difference either. The laws of natural selection will always apply, probably even more so than the vanilla world. The fact that I do well via socials suggests I have to rely on personality as trying to compete with a six foot adonis is never going to be realistic.

I strongly disagree that it’s just gym goers who have success.

Have a good look and you’ll see there are plenty of average decent men, even those with “dad bods” who do well.

It depends on if you think "doing well" is simply fucking anything with a pulse, or actually spending time looking for quality women.

So every average bloke who isn’t classed as an Adonis is fucking anything with a pulse?

There are thousands of people on this site. It’s a bit naive to think the only ones who are successful are the “Adonis” type. It’s also pretty naive to think all the average men who get meets are fucking anything with a pulse, could be considered insulting actually.

Going by experience and from the messages I’ve had from all type a of men, it isn’t just the ripped gym goers who have success.

But then someone butthurt they aren’t getting any meets would say that.

I wasn't really referring to any male body shapes doing well, or not doing well. I was simply pointing out that if you measure how well people are doing by how many times they've been fucked. Then maybe you're right. However, some of us have higher standards than that. And refuse to lower them. And some of us don't even take verifications at all, so you'd never know.

Everyone has different standards, I think most people get that.

But someone stated that it is only gym goers who have success here I stated that clearly isn’t the case whatsoever, what that has to do with standards I don’t know.

However, if we are talking of standards, if it’s only gym goers getting success according to one poster, the women meeting them must have real high standards and so he has no chance right? Surely if this is the case, what’s the point of any non gym goer being here... :D

I measure how well people are doing by their responses on forum posts similar to this, and of course their verifications. Its only logical when you have nothing else to go by.

I guess there's a good chance that those guys are meeting other gym fit women for gym fit fun! Maybe some guys who are less defined are feeling hard done by?"

Or they could be meeting with non gym goers. Who knows!

I think some do feel hard done by and get nasty and abusive when they aren’t getting the same success as someone else.

They fail to realise you get what you put in and one persons success will differ from another’s.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture.

That may be the case for you.

But there are many guys on here who do exceptionally well and have a well thought out profile and plenty of photos.

Correcting the numbers game doesn’t mean you’ll suddenly get more meets, if someone’s not interested they’re just not interested regardless of what you say or what you put on your profile.

I think a lot of people forget that. Adding a few more photos or adding to your profile doesn’t automatically mean you are going to have success. It may help, but it’s not guaranteed at all.

Agreed - nothing is guaranteed. The guys who think it should be are serious deluded (not to mention out of order) - and according to my female friends are the majority of men who send disrespectful one liners day in and day out. I don't think it's a coincidence that the guys who are successful through their messaging and profile tend to be the ones who live in the gym etc. Fair play to them, but it suggests that it's the numbers game once again - as long as you look like a male model. What you say about adding to a profile suggests we're in agreement - it certainly doesn't hinder, but doesn't make much positive difference either. The laws of natural selection will always apply, probably even more so than the vanilla world. The fact that I do well via socials suggests I have to rely on personality as trying to compete with a six foot adonis is never going to be realistic.

I strongly disagree that it’s just gym goers who have success.

Have a good look and you’ll see there are plenty of average decent men, even those with “dad bods” who do well.

It depends on if you think "doing well" is simply fucking anything with a pulse, or actually spending time looking for quality women.

So every average bloke who isn’t classed as an Adonis is fucking anything with a pulse?

There are thousands of people on this site. It’s a bit naive to think the only ones who are successful are the “Adonis” type. It’s also pretty naive to think all the average men who get meets are fucking anything with a pulse, could be considered insulting actually.

Going by experience and from the messages I’ve had from all type a of men, it isn’t just the ripped gym goers who have success.

But then someone butthurt they aren’t getting any meets would say that.

I wasn't really referring to any male body shapes doing well, or not doing well. I was simply pointing out that if you measure how well people are doing by how many times they've been fucked. Then maybe you're right. However, some of us have higher standards than that. And refuse to lower them. And some of us don't even take verifications at all, so you'd never know.

Everyone has different standards, I think most people get that.

But someone stated that it is only gym goers who have success here I stated that clearly isn’t the case whatsoever, what that has to do with standards I don’t know.

However, if we are talking of standards, if it’s only gym goers getting success according to one poster, the women meeting them must have real high standards and so he has no chance right? Surely if this is the case, what’s the point of any non gym goer being here... :D

I measure how well people are doing by their responses on forum posts similar to this, and of course their verifications. Its only logical when you have nothing else to go by.

I guess there's a good chance that those guys are meeting other gym fit women for gym fit fun! Maybe some guys who are less defined are feeling hard done by?

Or they could be meeting with non gym goers. Who knows!

I think some do feel hard done by and get nasty and abusive when they aren’t getting the same success as someone else.

They fail to realise you get what you put in and one persons success will differ from another’s. "

Maybe if people didn't label them "butt hurt" it might help? It can come across a bit crass.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture.

That may be the case for you.

But there are many guys on here who do exceptionally well and have a well thought out profile and plenty of photos.

Correcting the numbers game doesn’t mean you’ll suddenly get more meets, if someone’s not interested they’re just not interested regardless of what you say or what you put on your profile.

I think a lot of people forget that. Adding a few more photos or adding to your profile doesn’t automatically mean you are going to have success. It may help, but it’s not guaranteed at all.

Agreed - nothing is guaranteed. The guys who think it should be are serious deluded (not to mention out of order) - and according to my female friends are the majority of men who send disrespectful one liners day in and day out. I don't think it's a coincidence that the guys who are successful through their messaging and profile tend to be the ones who live in the gym etc. Fair play to them, but it suggests that it's the numbers game once again - as long as you look like a male model. What you say about adding to a profile suggests we're in agreement - it certainly doesn't hinder, but doesn't make much positive difference either. The laws of natural selection will always apply, probably even more so than the vanilla world. The fact that I do well via socials suggests I have to rely on personality as trying to compete with a six foot adonis is never going to be realistic.

I strongly disagree that it’s just gym goers who have success.

Have a good look and you’ll see there are plenty of average decent men, even those with “dad bods” who do well.

It depends on if you think "doing well" is simply fucking anything with a pulse, or actually spending time looking for quality women.

So every average bloke who isn’t classed as an Adonis is fucking anything with a pulse?

There are thousands of people on this site. It’s a bit naive to think the only ones who are successful are the “Adonis” type. It’s also pretty naive to think all the average men who get meets are fucking anything with a pulse, could be considered insulting actually.

Going by experience and from the messages I’ve had from all type a of men, it isn’t just the ripped gym goers who have success.

But then someone butthurt they aren’t getting any meets would say that.

I wasn't really referring to any male body shapes doing well, or not doing well. I was simply pointing out that if you measure how well people are doing by how many times they've been fucked. Then maybe you're right. However, some of us have higher standards than that. And refuse to lower them. And some of us don't even take verifications at all, so you'd never know.

Everyone has different standards, I think most people get that.

But someone stated that it is only gym goers who have success here I stated that clearly isn’t the case whatsoever, what that has to do with standards I don’t know.

However, if we are talking of standards, if it’s only gym goers getting success according to one poster, the women meeting them must have real high standards and so he has no chance right? Surely if this is the case, what’s the point of any non gym goer being here... :D

I measure how well people are doing by their responses on forum posts similar to this, and of course their verifications. Its only logical when you have nothing else to go by.

I guess there's a good chance that those guys are meeting other gym fit women for gym fit fun! Maybe some guys who are less defined are feeling hard done by?

Or they could be meeting with non gym goers. Who knows!

I think some do feel hard done by and get nasty and abusive when they aren’t getting the same success as someone else.

They fail to realise you get what you put in and one persons success will differ from another’s.

Maybe if people didn't label them "butt hurt" it might help? It can come across a bit crass. "

That’s how I see it, so I’ll label it how I like.

If people don’t like it, they’re welcome to not read my response, challenge it or ignore it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of my messages are from men with: silhouette pics, a series of cock pics, badly taken pics, four lines or less in their bio, no verifications etc. Yet they still expect ladies to reply!

Er...no..

Perhaps guys, if you made more of an effort you would obtain replies...or better still - meets"

I think I’ve made a decent effort. Care to give me a rating out of 10

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By *heHookyMonsterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture.

That may be the case for you.

But there are many guys on here who do exceptionally well and have a well thought out profile and plenty of photos.

Correcting the numbers game doesn’t mean you’ll suddenly get more meets, if someone’s not interested they’re just not interested regardless of what you say or what you put on your profile.

I think a lot of people forget that. Adding a few more photos or adding to your profile doesn’t automatically mean you are going to have success. It may help, but it’s not guaranteed at all.

Agreed - nothing is guaranteed. The guys who think it should be are serious deluded (not to mention out of order) - and according to my female friends are the majority of men who send disrespectful one liners day in and day out. I don't think it's a coincidence that the guys who are successful through their messaging and profile tend to be the ones who live in the gym etc. Fair play to them, but it suggests that it's the numbers game once again - as long as you look like a male model. What you say about adding to a profile suggests we're in agreement - it certainly doesn't hinder, but doesn't make much positive difference either. The laws of natural selection will always apply, probably even more so than the vanilla world. The fact that I do well via socials suggests I have to rely on personality as trying to compete with a six foot adonis is never going to be realistic.

I strongly disagree that it’s just gym goers who have success.

Have a good look and you’ll see there are plenty of average decent men, even those with “dad bods” who do well.

It depends on if you think "doing well" is simply fucking anything with a pulse, or actually spending time looking for quality women.

So every average bloke who isn’t classed as an Adonis is fucking anything with a pulse?

There are thousands of people on this site. It’s a bit naive to think the only ones who are successful are the “Adonis” type. It’s also pretty naive to think all the average men who get meets are fucking anything with a pulse, could be considered insulting actually.

Going by experience and from the messages I’ve had from all type a of men, it isn’t just the ripped gym goers who have success.

But then someone butthurt they aren’t getting any meets would say that.

I wasn't really referring to any male body shapes doing well, or not doing well. I was simply pointing out that if you measure how well people are doing by how many times they've been fucked. Then maybe you're right. However, some of us have higher standards than that. And refuse to lower them. And some of us don't even take verifications at all, so you'd never know.

Everyone has different standards, I think most people get that.

But someone stated that it is only gym goers who have success here I stated that clearly isn’t the case whatsoever, what that has to do with standards I don’t know.

However, if we are talking of standards, if it’s only gym goers getting success according to one poster, the women meeting them must have real high standards and so he has no chance right? Surely if this is the case, what’s the point of any non gym goer being here... :D

I measure how well people are doing by their responses on forum posts similar to this, and of course their verifications. Its only logical when you have nothing else to go by.

"

My reference to gym goers was in that it's noticeable that a lot of the guys on the forums who state their success to be high do appear to spend a lot of time on their fitness, based on their profile photos. I have no reason to disbelieve that fellas with other body types do well. I'd say I'm somewhere in between the two shapes in reality (short, but rugby player build, but not what I'd call athletic). My point was simply that messages go without any kind of response by and large, no matter what my approach is, but being in a social setting does yield results.

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By *heHookyMonsterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture.

That may be the case for you.

But there are many guys on here who do exceptionally well and have a well thought out profile and plenty of photos.

Correcting the numbers game doesn’t mean you’ll suddenly get more meets, if someone’s not interested they’re just not interested regardless of what you say or what you put on your profile.

I think a lot of people forget that. Adding a few more photos or adding to your profile doesn’t automatically mean you are going to have success. It may help, but it’s not guaranteed at all.

Agreed - nothing is guaranteed. The guys who think it should be are serious deluded (not to mention out of order) - and according to my female friends are the majority of men who send disrespectful one liners day in and day out. I don't think it's a coincidence that the guys who are successful through their messaging and profile tend to be the ones who live in the gym etc. Fair play to them, but it suggests that it's the numbers game once again - as long as you look like a male model. What you say about adding to a profile suggests we're in agreement - it certainly doesn't hinder, but doesn't make much positive difference either. The laws of natural selection will always apply, probably even more so than the vanilla world. The fact that I do well via socials suggests I have to rely on personality as trying to compete with a six foot adonis is never going to be realistic.

I strongly disagree that it’s just gym goers who have success.

Have a good look and you’ll see there are plenty of average decent men, even those with “dad bods” who do well.

It depends on if you think "doing well" is simply fucking anything with a pulse, or actually spending time looking for quality women.

So every average bloke who isn’t classed as an Adonis is fucking anything with a pulse?

There are thousands of people on this site. It’s a bit naive to think the only ones who are successful are the “Adonis” type. It’s also pretty naive to think all the average men who get meets are fucking anything with a pulse, could be considered insulting actually.

Going by experience and from the messages I’ve had from all type a of men, it isn’t just the ripped gym goers who have success.

But then someone butthurt they aren’t getting any meets would say that.

I wasn't really referring to any male body shapes doing well, or not doing well. I was simply pointing out that if you measure how well people are doing by how many times they've been fucked. Then maybe you're right. However, some of us have higher standards than that. And refuse to lower them. And some of us don't even take verifications at all, so you'd never know.

Everyone has different standards, I think most people get that.

But someone stated that it is only gym goers who have success here I stated that clearly isn’t the case whatsoever, what that has to do with standards I don’t know.

However, if we are talking of standards, if it’s only gym goers getting success according to one poster, the women meeting them must have real high standards and so he has no chance right? Surely if this is the case, what’s the point of any non gym goer being here... :D

I measure how well people are doing by their responses on forum posts similar to this, and of course their verifications. Its only logical when you have nothing else to go by.

I guess there's a good chance that those guys are meeting other gym fit women for gym fit fun! Maybe some guys who are less defined are feeling hard done by?"

Quite probably in some respects, by some guys. I'm past that stage having pickdd up a catalogue of injuries over the course of my career. I say good luck to those guys as I can't attain that level any more, although I do what I can (for my age - think I'm doing OK!). My observation was purely based on guys on the forums comments - many of whom appear to be gym fit. It has to help as attraction is visual in the first instance.

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By *heHookyMonsterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture.

That may be the case for you.

But there are many guys on here who do exceptionally well and have a well thought out profile and plenty of photos.

Correcting the numbers game doesn’t mean you’ll suddenly get more meets, if someone’s not interested they’re just not interested regardless of what you say or what you put on your profile.

I think a lot of people forget that. Adding a few more photos or adding to your profile doesn’t automatically mean you are going to have success. It may help, but it’s not guaranteed at all.

Agreed - nothing is guaranteed. The guys who think it should be are serious deluded (not to mention out of order) - and according to my female friends are the majority of men who send disrespectful one liners day in and day out. I don't think it's a coincidence that the guys who are successful through their messaging and profile tend to be the ones who live in the gym etc. Fair play to them, but it suggests that it's the numbers game once again - as long as you look like a male model. What you say about adding to a profile suggests we're in agreement - it certainly doesn't hinder, but doesn't make much positive difference either. The laws of natural selection will always apply, probably even more so than the vanilla world. The fact that I do well via socials suggests I have to rely on personality as trying to compete with a six foot adonis is never going to be realistic.

I strongly disagree that it’s just gym goers who have success.

Have a good look and you’ll see there are plenty of average decent men, even those with “dad bods” who do well.

It depends on if you think "doing well" is simply fucking anything with a pulse, or actually spending time looking for quality women.

So every average bloke who isn’t classed as an Adonis is fucking anything with a pulse?

There are thousands of people on this site. It’s a bit naive to think the only ones who are successful are the “Adonis” type. It’s also pretty naive to think all the average men who get meets are fucking anything with a pulse, could be considered insulting actually.

Going by experience and from the messages I’ve had from all type a of men, it isn’t just the ripped gym goers who have success.

But then someone butthurt they aren’t getting any meets would say that.

I wasn't really referring to any male body shapes doing well, or not doing well. I was simply pointing out that if you measure how well people are doing by how many times they've been fucked. Then maybe you're right. However, some of us have higher standards than that. And refuse to lower them. And some of us don't even take verifications at all, so you'd never know.

Everyone has different standards, I think most people get that.

But someone stated that it is only gym goers who have success here I stated that clearly isn’t the case whatsoever, what that has to do with standards I don’t know.

However, if we are talking of standards, if it’s only gym goers getting success according to one poster, the women meeting them must have real high standards and so he has no chance right? Surely if this is the case, what’s the point of any non gym goer being here... :D

I measure how well people are doing by their responses on forum posts similar to this, and of course their verifications. Its only logical when you have nothing else to go by.

I guess there's a good chance that those guys are meeting other gym fit women for gym fit fun! Maybe some guys who are less defined are feeling hard done by?

Or they could be meeting with non gym goers. Who knows!

I think some do feel hard done by and get nasty and abusive when they aren’t getting the same success as someone else.

They fail to realise you get what you put in and one persons success will differ from another’s. "

That's one of the truest statements so far.

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over a year ago


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"May profile got looked at by 10 people last week . So how is what I write on it going to make a difference? If no one looks it doesn't matter what i wright

There may be hundreds of people viewing your profile, you don't know. Many people use stealth mode to view. Your profile is all you have to get attention, so you should be making the most of it.

Totally anecdotal, but I rewrote a male friends profile. He didn’t change his pics. His views increased hugely and for a sustained period. Nothing else about his forum/meet activity changed. I can only think that people view in stealth mode then reveal themselves if they like the profile.

* Not volunteering to rewrite anyone’s profile."

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By *heHookyMonsterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Some (possibly a lot) of men who have made an effort have their messages deleted unread.

I'm not surprised when they give up trying.

Well they’re only shooting themselves in the foot by giving up, it’s not going to gain them meets is it?

Plenty of men get their messages deleted and unread and still put effort in... probably because they’re the genuine ones who actually want to meet someone.

I’d guess those who “give up” were expecting it to be easy and the women to come running.

Playing devil's advocate, but...... Some it's true, but it also seems that the unwritten rule is that men should suck it up or leave, put more effort in, jump through any and every hoop, be damned if they do or don't, or be missed, ignored or mocked, then be told once again that they're in the wrong whatever they do, as it's pretty much a woman's perogative to do whatever she likes. (by some). Not totally convinced that those of us who do take as much trouble as we can to get it right do too much better than those who don't - we just have more self respect and respect for others.

Or men can just do as they please on here within reason.

There are a lot of sensitive souls on here, who ask for advice, or ask for help, when they get it, they become offended & get on the defensive.

There are also a lot who blame everyone else for their lack of success when if they looked closer to home they might get the answer.

There’s is no right or wrong way to use Fabswingers. Use it how you like, however the way you use it will determine your success on here.

Agree in certain aspects, but having taken much of the profile advice myself, having thought the advice made sense - and applied it - I've found it made zero difference in terms of profile views and in terms of messages inbound from women unknown to me (none). In terms of replies to outbound messages it also got the same on an ongoing basis, which would suggest that a very low level of success is likely, no matter what a guy does. This suggests the numbers game to not only be correct in reality, but also (again based on my own experience) that being seen in person at socials gives a much better success rate. People get to meet and get to know you in a zero pressure environment and as a real person, rather than a frozen image, or a pen picture.

That may be the case for you.

But there are many guys on here who do exceptionally well and have a well thought out profile and plenty of photos.

Correcting the numbers game doesn’t mean you’ll suddenly get more meets, if someone’s not interested they’re just not interested regardless of what you say or what you put on your profile.

I think a lot of people forget that. Adding a few more photos or adding to your profile doesn’t automatically mean you are going to have success. It may help, but it’s not guaranteed at all.

Agreed - nothing is guaranteed. The guys who think it should be are serious deluded (not to mention out of order) - and according to my female friends are the majority of men who send disrespectful one liners day in and day out. I don't think it's a coincidence that the guys who are successful through their messaging and profile tend to be the ones who live in the gym etc. Fair play to them, but it suggests that it's the numbers game once again - as long as you look like a male model. What you say about adding to a profile suggests we're in agreement - it certainly doesn't hinder, but doesn't make much positive difference either. The laws of natural selection will always apply, probably even more so than the vanilla world. The fact that I do well via socials suggests I have to rely on personality as trying to compete with a six foot adonis is never going to be realistic.

I strongly disagree that it’s just gym goers who have success.

Have a good look and you’ll see there are plenty of average decent men, even those with “dad bods” who do well.

It depends on if you think "doing well" is simply fucking anything with a pulse, or actually spending time looking for quality women.

So every average bloke who isn’t classed as an Adonis is fucking anything with a pulse?

There are thousands of people on this site. It’s a bit naive to think the only ones who are successful are the “Adonis” type. It’s also pretty naive to think all the average men who get meets are fucking anything with a pulse, could be considered insulting actually.

Going by experience and from the messages I’ve had from all type a of men, it isn’t just the ripped gym goers who have success.

But then someone butthurt they aren’t getting any meets would say that.

I wasn't really referring to any male body shapes doing well, or not doing well. I was simply pointing out that if you measure how well people are doing by how many times they've been fucked. Then maybe you're right. However, some of us have higher standards than that. And refuse to lower them. And some of us don't even take verifications at all, so you'd never know.

Everyone has different standards, I think most people get that.

But someone stated that it is only gym goers who have success here I stated that clearly isn’t the case whatsoever, what that has to do with standards I don’t know.

However, if we are talking of standards, if it’s only gym goers getting success according to one poster, the women meeting them must have real high standards and so he has no chance right? Surely if this is the case, what’s the point of any non gym goer being here... :D

I measure how well people are doing by their responses on forum posts similar to this, and of course their verifications. Its only logical when you have nothing else to go by.

I guess there's a good chance that those guys are meeting other gym fit women for gym fit fun! Maybe some guys who are less defined are feeling hard done by?

Or they could be meeting with non gym goers. Who knows!

I think some do feel hard done by and get nasty and abusive when they aren’t getting the same success as someone else.

They fail to realise you get what you put in and one persons success will differ from another’s.

Maybe if people didn't label them "butt hurt" it might help? It can come across a bit crass.

That’s how I see it, so I’ll label it how I like.

If people don’t like it, they’re welcome to not read my response, challenge it or ignore it. "

Easy thing to label people with when not in their shoes though. There are undoubtedly some who get nasty when receiving rejection messages. I would say they are the ones that tag applies to. IF you label anyone with an observation that isn't in line with yours then it's simply an opposing or alternative opinion - not 'butthurt'. I'm expressing an opinion, not bemoaning any lack of personal satisfaction, just saying there's more than one (or two) ways of looking at this.

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Easy thing to label people with when not in their shoes though. There are undoubtedly some who get nasty when receiving rejection messages. I would say they are the ones that tag applies to. IF you label anyone with an observation that isn't in line with yours then it's simply an opposing or alternative opinion - not 'butthurt'. I'm expressing an opinion, not bemoaning any lack of personal satisfaction, just saying there's more than one (or two) ways of looking at this."

It’s an opinion I’m entitled to.

I find those who moan about not getting meets and blaming it on everything and everyone else are pretty butthurt as well as the abusive types.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

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Entitled? Now that's a fact.

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