FabSwingers.com forum: Children in the house

By *aughtybynature73 OP Couple
over a year ago

shrewsbury

Last night we arranged a meet at the home off a guy on here. He asked us to read his profile and I did. Great verifications and yes his profile stated he was a single dad. How ever it did state that there was only certain times he could meet. I just assumed it was when children weren't there.

On our way my hubby says just double check he is on his own and children aren't there. The guy messaged immediately to they were in bed and flat out. So I politely told the guy it was a deal breaker for us.

He has since got the hump and blocked us.

Personally I think its wrong to do this with kids in the house. I do feel for him as he has kids but why would you risk your kids walking in ?

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By *ecks74Woman
over a year ago

wrexham

Totally agree, shouldn’t be inviting strangers to his house while kids are there, not implying you are weirdos but he doesn’t know that for sure

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By *_and_LCouple
over a year ago

Tamworth

I would feel incredibly uncomfortable with that, it would be a no for us too.

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By *east and belleCouple
over a year ago

Bradford

Slightly worrying that he has possibly put you in an awkward situation if you found his children were there after you arrived.Child safety first ALWAYS.

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By *ilkynmyzzyCouple
over a year ago

Bridlington

There isn't a cat in hell's chance we would go to someone's house if there were children there. We can't understand anyone allowing strangers into there home in that situation.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Ah this old thread again. Nothing like the subject of children to bring out peoples most irrational thoughts.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Ah this old thread again. Nothing like the subject of children to bring out peoples most irrational thoughts. "

Why irrational?

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By *odramafunCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire/staffordshire

Initial reaction is not right with children in however if you are a single parent with no help at all surely the situation can be understood? Everyone deserves their own time x

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"Initial reaction is not right with children in however if you are a single parent with no help at all surely the situation can be understood? Everyone deserves their own time x "

not picking here

many choose to wait or find a babysitter so they can have there fun.

We dont know if the single male looks after the children 24/7

there is always other times during school hours if there older, or nursery times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't have gone through with the meet either. You're not unreasonable. It's the reason we dont accomodate. I would never bring strangers into my children's home for sex whether they were at home or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a single parent all be it mine are older now

But no way would I bring someone to my house for a meet with the kids at home

Yes I feel sorry for the guy in respect of the fact its so hard to get sitters and free child free time

But come on, your children come first over your own needs !!

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Ah this old thread again. Nothing like the subject of children to bring out peoples most irrational thoughts.

Why irrational? "

Because nearly all the objections people have are generic enough to apply to anyone coming into your house.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Initial reaction is not right with children in however if you are a single parent with no help at all surely the situation can be understood? Everyone deserves their own time x "

Sex with strangers is much more important than the safety of children.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

When our kids were little it was unusual for anybody we didn't know to come into the house. Ever more unusual for a stranger to be there for more than the length of time it took to read a meter for instance.

We wouldn't have invited anyone we met via a contact magazine (internet only existed in academic institutions) for many reasons. If we had young kids now we wouldn't invite strangers from the net which is available to every oddball in the known universe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I did have a late night meet at the single mums house and the youngster was asleep, so had a good play in lounge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We had exactly the same with a couple who assured us their 8 year old daughter wouldn't disturb us as we all played. Needless to say we didn't go round

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Ah this old thread again. Nothing like the subject of children to bring out peoples most irrational thoughts.

Why irrational?

Because nearly all the objections people have are generic enough to apply to anyone coming into your house. "

Really? I once met a guy who didn't tell me his kids were home. I went to the loo and his son walked in on me starkers having a piss. Pretty sure that's never happened when I've just gone round for tea.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Also met another couple who's kids were in bed and they spent the whole time tell g me to be quiet in case I woke them. Kind of killed the mood for me.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Ah this old thread again. Nothing like the subject of children to bring out peoples most irrational thoughts.

Why irrational?

Because nearly all the objections people have are generic enough to apply to anyone coming into your house.

Where there's an insurmountable consequence of letting swingers in the house, good example.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Ah this old thread again. Nothing like the subject of children to bring out peoples most irrational thoughts.

Why irrational?

Because nearly all the objections people have are generic enough to apply to anyone coming into your house.

Where there's an insurmountable consequence of letting swingers in the house, good example.

Sorry, you've lost me.....

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By *aughtybynature73 OP Couple
over a year ago

shrewsbury

Agree and do have sympathy for the guy. However we could be weirdos or god forbid kids caught us in the act and as kids do go and tell all what they saw. Poor dad would find him self in a more than awkward spot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m definitely not comfortable with it. Was once about to go and meet a couple and last minute they told me they had young children at home. Said they’d lock them in their room so it’s fine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think on here its safe to say you should NEVER assume anything about anyone. If you are uncomfortable about anything then its your right to cancel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We had a meet with a couple all went well, back to their house. Having fun-then got told 'could I be a bit quieter as their kids were asleep' that certainly changed the mood. Could have told us before hand

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By *hingford manMan
over a year ago

highams park East London

"Last night we arranged a meet at the home off a guy on here. He asked us to read his profile and I did. Great verifications and yes his profile stated he was a single dad. How ever it did state that there was only certain times he could meet. I just assumed it was when children weren't there.

He has since got the hump and blocked us.

Personally I think its wrong to do this with kids in the house. I do feel for him as he has kids but why would you risk your kids walking in ?"

As I once was a single parent NOTHING on this planet would get me meeting strangers in my own home with child in bed and that was just single women.

My reasoning

There always a eliment of risk meeting any stranger and if I allowed some women who turned out to have alternative motives and was to spike my drink or smoke.... who th she’ll would protect my child.

Only a uncaring fu@@ing idiot would do this

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By *inkyFuckery85Woman
over a year ago

Paignton

Never....I could have done with a meet last night...kids at home, wasn't gonna happen!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We would never do it for the children's safety.

Had a couple message us to meet we asked where are their children. They said in bed but they won't leave the room if they wake up instant no thanks.

Anyone on here could be a pedo and yes there is 1 was removed the other week because i reported him

Children's safety should be paramount

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm with the majority on this one. It's wrong plain and simple..... kids should come first at any age.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My son sleep walked when he was a kid. I would never have invited a stranger into my house with my children in bed.

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By *nk_and_starrCouple
over a year ago

cheltenham

I’d never have a stranger in my house whilst my daughter was there. Asleep or not!

I don’t think I could even have friends over to play with her in the house either.

It’s not fair on the kids or the visitors. to be honest I wouldn’t have strangers at my house full stop

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have young kids at home and have absolutely no child care or family.

What are we to do, stop having sex?

If we got a childminder it is no different to leaving my kids with a complete stranger and no chance would i risk that.

We only meet as a couple amd from all the meets we have hosted we have had zero incidents. Ok it’s only been a few but that why you chat to people first.

I fail to see how our kids are not safe. If they wake up then one of us puts them back down and carry on. Though as you’ll remember from being parents, you know if the kids are not going to settle so simply apologise amd cancel the meet.

Every single meet we have had has always come back for more.

Personally I must be missing the issue.

Although being a couple with a hubby at 6ft 4 and rugby build sends a clear message straight away.

All that being said, if it was a single woman and a stranger. No chance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just can’t help think that if the kids wake up (always stay in bed) I smell of sex from hubby or another guy (safe sex) what’s the issue? Hubby is downstairs chatting to the other guy anyway?

Then after the whole 3 minutes my legs are in the air again?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The need for a shag is never more important than children's safety!

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By *allen angelzWoman
over a year ago

oxon

done it, never again.. told to wait by back door till his kid want back to bed.. was left looking at a house trained rabbit kind of killed everything

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"The need for a shag is never more important than children's safety!

Because inviting people into your house is interchangeable with offering your children up as a human sacrifice.

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By *avenstorm 29Couple
over a year ago

cleethorpes

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By *avenstorm 29Couple
over a year ago

cleethorpes

No that is so wrong

Not with children in the house

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The need for a shag is never more important than children's safety!

I maybe being a little slow, or argumentative, but how is children’s safety affected?

We use a corner sofa in the living room (so much fun) and the kids are in their rooms. We have a downstairs toilet so absolutely no reason to go upstairs.

If there was kids in the house next door would that bother anyone? Even if the exact same walls were used to separate the rooms, blockwork etc? I’m guessing then the issue is with doors..

So, what have doors done wrong?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn’t do it but I wouldn’t call others out for doing so.

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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

Totally agree how could you relax knowing children are in the house and could wake up at any moment, it is just wrong.

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By *FFB69Woman
over a year ago

Torfaen/Gwent

I think for a first or even second meet its a no. But if it's someone you know and trust, I see no issue.

People have friends over with their kids in bed to watch football/films. Parents have sex with the kids in the house.

If you'd have someone over for a cup of tea with the kids in bed I don't see the difference.

It's personal preference. The assumption they're a bad parent or not thinking about their kid is a massive judgement. Maybe they can't get a babysitter? Maybe the kid doesn't go to school/nursery or maybe they work during those hours.

But I forgot.... Having kids means you don't get a sex life right?

If it's not for you. Fine. But don't see the need to bash them all over the forums for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think for a first or even second meet its a no. But if it's someone you know and trust, I see no issue.

People have friends over with their kids in bed to watch football/films. Parents have sex with the kids in the house.

If you'd have someone over for a cup of tea with the kids in bed I don't see the difference.

This

But I forgot.... Having kids means you don't get a sex life right?

If it's not for you. Fine. But don't see the need to bash them all over the forums for it.

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

Whilst I can understand the dilemma of not having babysitters to hand and yet still wanting to play - the sheer possibility of a child coming down to see Mummy or Daddy having sex with a stranger, and doing so from the perspective of a child who couldn't possibly understand the swinging lifestyle, would be more than enough to stop me from allowing it to happen, or put myself in a situation with other people's children where it could happen.

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Imagine trying to explain that to a child, or worse still seeing it and then telling their friends at school that they "saw Mummy and Daddy naked with another man and woman" and it just doesn't bear thinking about.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Whilst I can understand the dilemma of not having babysitters to hand and yet still wanting to play - the sheer possibility of a child coming down to see Mummy or Daddy having sex with a stranger, and doing so from the perspective of a child who couldn't possibly understand the swinging lifestyle, would be more than enough to stop me from allowing it to happen, or put myself in a situation with other people's children where it could happen.

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar."

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

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By *s_macWoman
over a year ago

Traffic land

I don’t accommodate because I have kids and don’t feel comfortable with a stranger coming to our home, even when they aren’t here. But that’s my boundary and I feel I am doing the maximum to keep them safe.

But then I don’t feel comfortable meeting at someone else’s home, I’d rather meet in a hotel, a more neutral space.

People will make a decision on what they feel comfortable with, but I think they should at least put their meet in the picture so they can decide if it’s something they are happy to go along with too

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

Is the flippant response

Having a child stood outside a locked door knocking until they are heard, potentially hearing strange noises while they do so, and then waiting while the occupants get dressed, wondering why it is locked in the first place is still enough reason for me not to want to entertain the idea.

And there is a world of difference between stumbling in on their parents and stumbling in on their parents plus one or more others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't do it either. It's awkward with kids around incase they wake up.

I found it awkward with an ex girlfriend of mine when I stayed over. Even though she had a lock on her bedroom door, I remember one time we were going at it and her son wanted to open the door and come in as he had had a bad dream. Really put me off and I felt real bad then and awkward.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

That won't stop a child from wanting to come in or put them back in bed though.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

Is the flippant response

And there is a world of difference between stumbling in on their parents and stumbling in on their parents plus one or more others."

Don't do it then, nobody is trying to force you to do it.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

That won't stop a child from wanting to come in or put them back in bed though. "

True and that's why it's a judgement call. Some kids sleep like rocks and some don't. I think that i think the parents are better qualified to make, than a bunch of interweb strangers who probably have far worse parenting habits they wouldn't admit to.

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

Is the flippant response

And there is a world of difference between stumbling in on their parents and stumbling in on their parents plus one or more others.

Don't do it then, nobody is trying to force you to do it. "

I didn't suggest for a second anyone was trying to "force" me - the OP asked for others thoughts on a situation they were faced with and I provided them, and then backed them up when they were questioned - simple as

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

That won't stop a child from wanting to come in or put them back in bed though.

Mine did, but I would still have been wary of strangers coming into my house with them there. You can't know if someone is a psycho and I wouldn't risk it with my children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

That won't stop a child from wanting to come in or put them back in bed though.

Why would you think they have far worse parenting habits? What's worse than letting strangers into your house with your children there?

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By *hingford manMan
over a year ago

highams park East London

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

That won't stop a child from wanting to come in or put them back in bed though.

Mine did, but I would still have been wary of strangers coming into my house with them there. You can't know if someone is a psycho and I wouldn't risk it with my children. "

Exact reason why I could never do it when I was single parent

You never know who or why they are really bisiting

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

That won't stop a child from wanting to come in or put them back in bed though.

Why would you think they have far worse parenting habits? What's worse than letting strangers into your house with your children there? "

How about you express that risk in some real terms because i have a real hard time imagining it.

Just complete this setence for me:

"By letting swingers in your house then you are increasing the risk of *insert risk* by *insert %* compared to *insert recommended course of action*"

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

That won't stop a child from wanting to come in or put them back in bed though.

Even children that "sleep like rocks" wake up unexpectedly for any number of reasons you know

And per the OPs post they were invited into the house of an "interweb stranger" whose word they are supposed to accept for their child's sleeping capability and made their own "judgement call" that it wasn't something they wished to be party to and IMHO that was the right decision to have made.

If others choose otherwise that's their choice but wouldn't be one I could make personally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

That won't stop a child from wanting to come in or put them back in bed though.

Why would you think they have far worse parenting habits? What's worse than letting strangers into your house with your children there?

How about you express that risk in some real terms because i have a real hard time imagining it.

Just complete this setence for me:

"By letting swingers in your house then you are increasing the risk of *insert risk* by *insert %* compared to *insert recommended course of action*" "

You are not increasing any risk. You are introducing one that isn't there in the first place. So, you don't invite strangers into your house with your children there and there is no risk of anything happening involving the strangers at all. You may want to take the risk, others don't, but there's still a risk that they are fruit cakes or worse.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

That won't stop a child from wanting to come in or put them back in bed though.

Why would you think they have far worse parenting habits? What's worse than letting strangers into your house with your children there?

How about you express that risk in some real terms because i have a real hard time imagining it.

Just complete this setence for me:

"By letting swingers in your house then you are increasing the risk of *insert risk* by *insert %* compared to *insert recommended course of action*"

Simply untrue. There is a risk when you leave them with a baby sitter. There is a risk when you leave them at school. There is a risk someone breaks into your house. We don't live in a risk free world. So again, how much are you increasing the risk? You can assume it's a couple with a husband who isn't easily over powered.

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

That won't stop a child from wanting to come in or put them back in bed though.

Why would you think they have far worse parenting habits? What's worse than letting strangers into your house with your children there?

How about you express that risk in some real terms because i have a real hard time imagining it.

Just complete this setence for me:

"By letting swingers in your house then you are increasing the risk of *insert risk* by *insert %* compared to *insert recommended course of action*"

Of course there are risks in every single action and decision you take in life and you weigh up those risks and assess which are acceptable risks and which are not.

For me, the risk of a child seeing me involved in sexual acts with their parents and/or strangers is not a risk I personally would be willing to take.

So by going ahead with a meet with a child in the house you are increasing that risk by 100% over not having that meet or doing it at a time or in a place where there is no possibility at all of them being able to see it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We knew a couple that had 4 kids of varying ages(between 9yo and 2yo)in the house while they had mfm at weekends after a few drinks!

It's not for us! Makes me worry too much about if they maybe got 'lost' going to the bathroom with an agenda. Anything could happen!!

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over a year ago

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

That won't stop a child from wanting to come in or put them back in bed though.

Why would you think they have far worse parenting habits? What's worse than letting strangers into your house with your children there?

How about you express that risk in some real terms because i have a real hard time imagining it.

Just complete this setence for me:

"By letting swingers in your house then you are increasing the risk of *insert risk* by *insert %* compared to *insert recommended course of action*"

A babysitter and teachers are not strangers. What if the couple sedate the parents? Or they husband is easily overpowered? What if the couple bring a weapon? What if the toilet is upstairs by the child's room and they stranger goes into their room?

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By *witch4Fun24Couple
over a year ago

Leicester

Err there is a big difference in risk between leaving your beloved little ones in bed with granny/grampa/aunty shelly/ Nora from down the road sitting in the lounge and having a random stranger in your house with full intention of them being naked and you fucking them in your house. I could never put locks on the doors of my children in case of fires and they are small humans, not felons and they can be the deepest of sleepers but still get up for a wee, glass of water, a chat etc and them seeing you having sex with a random stranger in the house will be very frightening for them, uncomfortable for yourself and your guest as having to have sex silently is a real ball ache and there are known sex offenders and paedophiles on this site, are you going to escort your guests too and from the bathroom, kitchen, back garden if they smoke etc? To those who say it is no worse than your children seeing Mummy and Daddy having sex; there is a big difference between walking in on two people who you know love each other, share a bedroom and who are are likely to have seen naked around the house before to seeing an absolute stranger walking around your house in the middle of the night, potentially naked and quite possibly having sex with one or more of your parents.

The standards you may set for vetting people for meets alone in your house may be completely irrelevant for arranging a meet when you know your children are home. How many people on this site would honest ask if someone has a past record of harming children before they invite them into your home if they don't have children? Very very few I am guessing.

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By *witch4Fun24Couple
over a year ago

Leicester

Licenced childminders, teachers, nursery staff and most babysitters are either DBS checked or close enough friends or relations that you know whether they are dangerous or not to your child, a stranger you've invited over purely on sexual attraction basis is very very unlikely to be checked or honest about history.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

That won't stop a child from wanting to come in or put them back in bed though.

Why would you think they have far worse parenting habits? What's worse than letting strangers into your house with your children there?

How about you express that risk in some real terms because i have a real hard time imagining it.

Just complete this setence for me:

"By letting swingers in your house then you are increasing the risk of *insert risk* by *insert %* compared to *insert recommended course of action*"

Exactly, what if. That's why we have this magic thing called probability that expresses the risk of all those what if statements. So again, what is the increased risk to the child compared to the baseline risk in their normal life?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Licenced childminders, teachers, nursery staff and most babysitters are either DBS checked or close enough friends or relations that you know whether they are dangerous or not to your child, a stranger you've invited over purely on sexual attraction basis is very very unlikely to be checked or honest about history."

And yet we know abuse still happens in schools, in nursery, at the hands of babysitters and family members. So again, how much is the risk increased?

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By *ightboy69Man
over a year ago

Torquay

Why on earth would anybody think this is acceptable.

Being a single dad myself I would never entertain the idea of company when I had my kids

Utterly disgraceful

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By *witch4Fun24Couple
over a year ago

Leicester

"Exactly, what if. That's why we have this magic thing called probability that expresses the risk of all those what if statements. So again, what is the increased risk to the child compared to the baseline risk in their normal life? "

In their normal life their baseline risk is intensely controlled as they are supervised and monitored by parents, their own peers, teachers, nursery staff, grandparents and family friends etc, most have mobile phones and are very rarely left entirely alone. Would you put your children alone in a room with a stranger you've known for only a couple of hours entirely unsupervised, with no phone, means of defending themselves or knowledge of who this person is and how they got in your house? The only difference is that in the scenario were are talking about the children are asleep and unaware they potentially have a stranger in their house. Yes you may only be downstairs etc, having a fag whilst they are nipping to the loo but could you really get to your child to prevent them from harm in the space of time it takes for your child to call for help?

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By *witch4Fun24Couple
over a year ago

Leicester

And yet we know abuse still happens in schools, in nursery, at the hands of babysitters and family members. So again, how much is the risk increased? "

Because if one of those professions is caught doing it they are left left in a position of trust around vulnerable people again. They are also far more likely to be caught through safeguarding procedures and have to prove their DBS is clear every three months, that they don't live with anybody who has ever been convicted, accused or had allegations of misconduct or who their status is unknown. They are also never allowed alone with a child these days unknown by other staff members. Anybody on this site can be registered paedophiles, you invite them into your homes and they can do whatever they like

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

That won't stop a child from wanting to come in or put them back in bed though.

Why would you think they have far worse parenting habits? What's worse than letting strangers into your house with your children there?

How about you express that risk in some real terms because i have a real hard time imagining it.

Just complete this setence for me:

"By letting swingers in your house then you are increasing the risk of *insert risk* by *insert %* compared to *insert recommended course of action*"

Probability of something happening if I don't invite strangers into my house with my children in bed-0. I like 0 probabilities.

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By *witch4Fun24Couple
over a year ago

Leicester

*never left in a position of trust

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By *Mids guyMan
over a year ago

Lichfield

I'm am a full time single dad who has had this dilemma, I have however decided to meet during week day daytimes when the kids are at school.

Unfortunately this limits the potential fun and also arouses suspicion with some potential play mates who think you're cheating.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

That won't stop a child from wanting to come in or put them back in bed though.

Why would you think they have far worse parenting habits? What's worse than letting strangers into your house with your children there?

How about you express that risk in some real terms because i have a real hard time imagining it.

Just complete this setence for me:

"By letting swingers in your house then you are increasing the risk of *insert risk* by *insert %* compared to *insert recommended course of action*"

Probability of something happening if I don't invite strangers into my house with my children in bed-0. I like 0 probabilities. "

So basically you just don't know what you're talking about and don't understand risk or probability. A child is 4x more likely to be abused by a family member, neighbour or baby sitter than they are a stranger.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He has since got the hump and blocked us.

Personally I think its wrong to do this with kids in the house. I do feel for him as he has kids but why would you risk your kids walking in ?"

Thats not right

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By *witch4Fun24Couple
over a year ago

Leicester

As you may have guessed this is a topic I feel very strongly about having been in this situation myself several times as a child and my parents not being as vigilant as they should have been. I know for an absolute fact there are registered rapists and paedophiles on this site as I have a)known them from childhood and been their victims b) got two of them removed from the website and then had them create new profiles within 24 hours and approach me again for a "fuck for old times sake" so I know the website doesn't check the reasons for a banning when they allow a new profile to be set up with same details as previously owned ones and then c) via their own lack of any form of intelligence i managed to report one to the police and get them back into prison. The other one who found me is still on the site and randomly messages me every few months from different accounts. You really really don't want to be allowing children into your home whilst your children are asleep upstairs. Got the idea yet? Those in favour of it really need to think a little harder about whether they want their children to be having this same conversation in 15 years time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because I have a child who obviously lives at my home, I never play at home, whether the child is home or not. I don’t like strangers knowing anything about my home life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would not meet anyone who had kids at home, be it man, woman or couple. I did once turn a couple down that my former FWB had found for us to play with, that pissed him off but hey..ho...

If I had a regular FWB who was a single parent, I would consider after a few meets going when his sprogs were in bed. XXX

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

That won't stop a child from wanting to come in or put them back in bed though.

Why would you think they have far worse parenting habits? What's worse than letting strangers into your house with your children there?

How about you express that risk in some real terms because i have a real hard time imagining it.

Just complete this setence for me:

"By letting swingers in your house then you are increasing the risk of *insert risk* by *insert %* compared to *insert recommended course of action*"

Way to go over the top! Christ you go on and on about risk yet what about control measures to mitigate the risk.

At the end of the day, like this site, it is each to their own and nobody should judge others for their actions. Just because you wouldn’t do something and someone else is fine with it does not give anyone the right to preach.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone can get a reliable babysitter and go out for sex. Stop being so damn selfish and putting your child at risk of physical and mental trauma. Some people shouldn't be allowed to have children and yes we have a right to a judgement call because its societies duty to protect children. Slave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You know DBS only means not caught yet if you are being cynical.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

That won't stop a child from wanting to come in or put them back in bed though.

Why would you think they have far worse parenting habits? What's worse than letting strangers into your house with your children there?

How about you express that risk in some real terms because i have a real hard time imagining it.

Just complete this setence for me:

"By letting swingers in your house then you are increasing the risk of *insert risk* by *insert %* compared to *insert recommended course of action*"

Way to go over the top! Christ you go on and on about risk yet what about control measures to mitigate the risk.

When it comes to safeguarding my children I will go way over the top. They could also have woken up and walk in on me, which woyld have been awful for them and me.

I don't judge anyone for inviting people into their home, but I wouldn't have done it.

We're talking total strangers here, not friends or teachers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll always judge people that care more about their sex life than about their kids.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I'll always judge people that care more about their sex life than about their kids. "

Stones and glass houses...

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By *mokey_KinksMan
over a year ago

Essex

i dont even arrange a meet if im on call in case i get called out yet alone have children around

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ah this old thread again. Nothing like the subject of children to bring out peoples most irrational thoughts.

Why irrational?

Because nearly all the objections people have are generic enough to apply to anyone coming into your house.

This happened to me ! Well I wasn't starkers but they walked in on me.washing my hands. I yelped in suprise but the little girl seemed unphased. Made me super uncomfortable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a definite no from me.

I also don't get babysitters to look after my kids while I'm out shagging total strangers!

My time with my kids is precious so if someone can't meet when it's suitable for me, then I don't meet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'll always judge people that care more about their sex life than about their kids.

Stones and glass houses..."

What do you mean?

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By *ingle Dad SeekingMan
over a year ago

Northern England

Not kids in the house, but some time ago, I met a lovely couple at their house; all went well, and we got on like the proverbial house on fire - till we went upstairs and started playing. There was a noise from the room next door - I was informed that it was the bloke's 85yr old mother; and I wasn't to worry, as she had dementia - it sort of ruined the vibe of the evening; but I did have a chuckle to myself afterwards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Totally agree I'm a single dad and wouldn't dream of it I put my kids safety above me enjoying myself any day

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I'll always judge people that care more about their sex life than about their kids.

Stones and glass houses...

What do you mean? "

I mean its not a good idea to go making bullshit statements like that unless you're totally confident that your own parenting never exposed your kids to any avoidable risks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'll always judge people that care more about their sex life than about their kids.

Stones and glass houses...

What do you mean?

I mean its not a good idea to go making bullshit statements like that unless you're totally confident that your own parenting never exposed your kids to any avoidable risks."

My statement is true for me- I will judge. It's not bullshit. I never said that I was a parent.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

That won't stop a child from wanting to come in or put them back in bed though.

Why would you think they have far worse parenting habits? What's worse than letting strangers into your house with your children there?

How about you express that risk in some real terms because i have a real hard time imagining it.

Just complete this setence for me:

"By letting swingers in your house then you are increasing the risk of *insert risk* by *insert %* compared to *insert recommended course of action*"

Way to go over the top! Christ you go on and on about risk yet what about control measures to mitigate the risk.

Absolutely spot on

When we first started swinging seven years ago we had the odd meet at home as the little one was pre school and always slept like a log . We never had a problem , not once .

As he got older we decided to get sitters when we wanted to go out And that’s how we roll now , but we certainly don’t judge those who choose to meet at home with kids asleep . They as parent said know what’s best , and I do think people go way over the top with the way they pour such vitriol on those who meet at home with kids in the house .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think for a first or even second meet its a no. But if it's someone you know and trust, I see no issue.

People have friends over with their kids in bed to watch football/films. Parents have sex with the kids in the house.

If you'd have someone over for a cup of tea with the kids in bed I don't see the difference.

But I forgot.... Having kids means you don't get a sex life right?

If it's not for you. Fine. But don't see the need to bash them all over the forums for it.

Love this!

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"I think for a first or even second meet its a no. But if it's someone you know and trust, I see no issue.

People have friends over with their kids in bed to watch football/films. Parents have sex with the kids in the house.

If you'd have someone over for a cup of tea with the kids in bed I don't see the difference.

But I forgot.... Having kids means you don't get a sex life right?

If it's not for you. Fine. But don't see the need to bash them all over the forums for it.

Love this!

Me too

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

".................................

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

Vaseline! (old Billy Connelly joke!)

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

"I'm a single parent all be it mine are older now

But no way would I bring someone to my house for a meet with the kids at home

Yes I feel sorry for the guy in respect of the fact its so hard to get sitters and free child free time

But come on, your children come first over your own needs !! "

Yip exactly this. Even when I did have the house to myself I rarely had anyone at mine unless I’d met them first. It can be frustrating but my kids are my responsibility and I always put them first.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"Don't do it then, nobody is trying to force you to do it."

They know that. Don’t give people a hard time over their views and then act surprised that they’re going to justify that view.

Also, demanding that someone express a risk as a percentage is ludicrous goading. Someone doesn’t have to know the percentage increase to know that there is an increased risk.

For example, your statistic about who is most likely to perpetrate sexual abuse against children demonstrates your usual inability to fully understand the statistics you like to copy and paste from elsewhere. There’s a reason that it’s mostly family and close friends; they have access. By having kids in the house when you invite strangers over, you're potentially giving strangers access to your kids.

Guess what; sexual predators use the internet to gain access to people who have kids. Sexual offenders sign up for Fab. Meanwhile, many people opt for child minders with PVG clearance.

Meanwhile, if we disregard that aspect, lots of people don’t want the risk of children seeing or hearing anything untoward. And your answer is to put locks on doors? Amazing. Not at all weird.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OMG unbelievable anyone would do that

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Don't do it then, nobody is trying to force you to do it.

They know that. Don’t give people a hard time over their views and then act surprised that they’re going to justify that view.

Also, demanding that someone express a risk as a percentage is ludicrous goading. Someone doesn’t have to know the percentage increase to know that there is an increased risk.

Guess what; sexual predators use the internet to gain access to people who have kids. Sexual offenders sign up for Fab. Meanwhile, many people opt for child minders with PVG clearance.

Meanwhile, if we disregard that aspect, lots of people don’t want the risk of children seeing or hearing anything untoward. And your answer is to put locks on doors? Amazing. Not at all weird."

It’s actually not uncommon for parents to lock their bedroom door when wanting a bit of privacy . And why should that be seen as weird ? It would be way more weird to be shagging or whatever in full view of the kids wouldn’t it ?

Or would you be advocating that parents don’t have sex again after having kids . Or at least wait till te kids have left home ?

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"It’s actually not uncommon for parents to lock their bedroom door when wanting a bit of privacy . And why should that be seen as weird ? It would be way more weird to be shagging or whatever in full view of the kids wouldn’t it ?

Or would you be advocating that parents don’t have sex again after having kids . Or at least wait till te kids have left home ? "

Having a lock on a bedroom door for a bit of privacy for just the two of you is understandable. Of course I’m not advocating that parents can’t have sex, and of course I’m not advocating that kids should see people having sex at all. It’s not a particularly good answer for anyone who has sex elsewhere in the house. It’s not even remotely close to an answer for when you have extra partners around. How are they supposed to react when there’s a knock on the door? It’s utterly selfish to expect people to be okay with that. And, as pointed out by others, kids know when there’s something wrong or out of the ordinary.

“My kids always sleep like a log, we never had a problem.” Blind luck. In all the time of growing up, they never, ever, once got out of their bed in the middle of the night? It just takes once. Madness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't have gone through with the meet either. You're not unreasonable. It's the reason we dont accomodate. I would never bring strangers into my children's home for sex whether they were at home or not."

Totally agree! Nobody ever.comes.to our home. It's.our private space. It's hotel only for us

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

Or would you be advocating that parents don’t have sex again after having kids . Or at least wait till te kids have left home ?

You’re right , it’s not ideal to lock the bedroom door if you’re having sex somewhere other than in the bedroom . But most right minded people would not be shagging where’s they may be disturbed by their children . Some may put a lock in the living room door which they use after the kids have gone to bed . Seems reasonable to me , and if the parents have company and it gets a bit fruity , put the lock across .

If kids think the parents are locking doors because they want a private session , what’s wrong with that ?

It’s such an emotive subject for so many people , but doesn’t need to be such a taboo . Locks on doors can eliminate so many potential issues . Not just for swinging , but for parents who still have sex with each other .

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

I wouldn’t lock anyone in a room. For many reasons but mostly I’d feel a cunt if a fire broke out and I prevented their escape.

I guess I’m just a basic kind of bore

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Many moons ago I met with a lady off here who had kids at home. I only realised they were in the house when I was going for it and her bed board was banging the wall. She said can you be a bit gentle the kids are in bed next door. At that point my cock deflated in record time and went in to limp mode. Obviously I was polite and made my excuses and left.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

I wouldn’t lock anyone in a room. For many reasons but mostly I’d feel a cunt if a fire broke out and I prevented their escape.

I guess I’m just a basic kind of bore

I’m not talking about locking anyone in a room !

I’m merely saying parents can lock their own bedroom door , or the living room door if they want some sexy time .

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

Gloswingers, do your locks include noise cancellation technology? Do they make your guests disappear, so you can quickly see to your distressed child without telling them to go away while you open the door? Does it prevent your guests’ mortification when any of this happens?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

" By having kids in the house when you invite strangers over, you're potentially giving strangers access to your kids."

Nope and that's the kind of idiotic thinking that makes this subject impossible to discuss. There's nothing like the subject of children to bring out the stupid in people.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Gloswingers, do your locks include noise cancellation technology? Do they make your guests disappear, so you can quickly see to your distressed child without telling them to go away while you open the door? Does it prevent your guests’ mortification when any of this happens?"

If you care to read our first post , we don’t accommodate !

The locks ( which ironically we don’t have ) wouldn’t be a perfectly acceptable and adequate way to ensure the children don’t walk in on parents having sexy time with each other . Or single parents engaging in sexy time with their partners . Or even swingers swinging after the kids have gone to bed .

If swingers tell guests of their arrangements the guests won’t be mortified , and they have the choice as to whether to go or not .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So confused right now. Is it wrong to be turned on by articulate posts re parenting skillsets I agree with?

*faps, but feels so discombobulated*

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"So confused right now. Is it wrong to be turned on by articulate posts re parenting skillsets I agree with?

*faps, but feels so discombobulated*"

You’re referring to my post I assume

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We once met the male of a couple..wife and kids were out, we had met them both previously but had moved house since, on our way out of the bedroom we noticed a paddle lock on kids door?!...we wont ever go back and know the still have Evening meets, hopefully kids are sleeping out and not locked in bedroom

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’d never knowingly meet a couple/female with kids in the house but I did have a couples teenage son unexpectedly walk in on us during a daytime meet with them. That was mega awkward.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Initial reaction is not right with children in however if you are a single parent with no help at all surely the situation can be understood? Everyone deserves their own time x "

'Deserve'? I'm afraid as soon as you become a parent any sense of entitlement goes out the window!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Initial reaction is not right with children in however if you are a single parent with no help at all surely the situation can be understood? Everyone deserves their own time x

'Deserve'? I'm afraid as soon as you become a parent any sense of entitlement goes out the window!"

So to get this straight, we cease being humans upon the arrival of a small person? We stop being a woman or a man? We stop being a wife or a husband? All forms of adult interaction is to cease while we serve the child?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Initial reaction is not right with children in however if you are a single parent with no help at all surely the situation can be understood? Everyone deserves their own time x "
of course they do.. mum's or dad's.. Get a babysitter and don't accom, or ask a grandparent to have child/children over?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't comprehend why anyone would want to invite strangers into their home when children are at home, I just think it's wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People are commenting about patents locking their bedroom door for sexy time, but what about noise levels? I wouldn't be able to have sex how I enjoy I with my kids in the house, they would wonder what on earth was going on. I wouldn't want them hearing things that are said or the noises.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People can do what they like, if they can't handle being judged negatively for it, then maybe they shouldn't do it.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Initial reaction is not right with children in however if you are a single parent with no help at all surely the situation can be understood? Everyone deserves their own time x

'Deserve'? I'm afraid as soon as you become a parent any sense of entitlement goes out the window!

I'm not sure I said any of that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Initial reaction is not right with children in however if you are a single parent with no help at all surely the situation can be understood? Everyone deserves their own time x

'Deserve'? I'm afraid as soon as you become a parent any sense of entitlement goes out the window!

I'm not sure I said any of that."
no but that's what it implies from how I read it.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Initial reaction is not right with children in however if you are a single parent with no help at all surely the situation can be understood? Everyone deserves their own time x

'Deserve'? I'm afraid as soon as you become a parent any sense of entitlement goes out the window!

I'm not sure I said any of that. no but that's what it implies from how I read it. "

That's fine if that's how you choose to read it, I've no control over that.

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By *teve261970Man
over a year ago

Gateshead

He has since got the hump and blocked us.

Personally I think its wrong to do this with kids in the house. I do feel for him as he has kids but why would you risk your kids walking in ?"

Totally agree, I’m single dad and when daughter was growing up, never ever played while she was in house, even as a grown up child now can’t take the chance, I’ve lost out on a few meets.

But hey ho.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been in a similar situation. Arranged to meet with a couple, turned up at theirs at the arranged time, and you could clearly hear kids playing upstairs. I politely told them I thought it was inappropriate and left. I got blocked by them too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've been in a similar situation. Arranged to meet with a couple, turned up at theirs at the arranged time, and you could clearly hear kids playing upstairs. I politely told them I thought it was inappropriate and left. I got blocked by them too."
that's terrible.. What are people thinking!!!!

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

" By having kids in the house when you invite strangers over, you're potentially giving strangers access to your kids.

Nope and that's the kind of idiotic thinking that makes this subject impossible to discuss. There's nothing like the subject of children to bring out the stupid in people. "

I don’t have kids, and their involvement in a discussion does not sway my emotions, so you’re barking up the wrong tree. But, rather than discussing that, would you like to point out a single thing that is wrong in my sentence above? It’s a matter of fact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What made it worse was the fact that the kids had a friend round too, and had been told to by come downstairs under any circumstance, I shot off rather quickly never to return!

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

What made it worse was the fact that the kids had a friend round too, and had been told to by come downstairs under any circumstance, I shot off rather quickly never to return! "

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"People are commenting about patents locking their bedroom door for sexy time, but what about noise levels? I wouldn't be able to have sex how I enjoy I with my kids in the house, they would wonder what on earth was going on. I wouldn't want them hearing things that are said or the noises. "

See now this is an odd one .

Are you seriously telling us that you have never had sex with your kids in the house ?

That wouldn’t sit right with us at all , I mean really ? That’s a minimum of 18 years without sex in your own home unless you ship the kids off to a sitter . And even then it’s so contrived that there’s every chance it may not happen then either !

Theirs is what baffles me . Same as the other poster saying any entitlement as an adult goes when you have kids .

If boundaries are set , and parents wish to continue with a sex life after the kids are born , there are plenty of ways to allow it to happen . Yes they may hear noises , so what ? It’s natural and I can’t see why anyone would stop having sex because they’ve got kids .

Even mainstream sites and parenting sites recommend parents locking their door to have sexy time together !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

See now this is an odd one .

Are you seriously telling us that you have never had sex with your kids in the house ?

Theirs is what baffles me . Same as the other poster saying any entitlement as an adult goes when you have kids .

Even mainstream sites and parenting sites recommend parents locking their door to have sexy time together !

These threads have a life of there own at times. It does make me wonder what type of people use these forums considering what type of site this is. I doubt there is a single person on this site with kids that hasn't had sex with their partner whilst the kids are in the house. Sometimes you can't help yourself the sexual tension is too much.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

See now this is an odd one .

Are you seriously telling us that you have never had sex with your kids in the house ?

Theirs is what baffles me . Same as the other poster saying any entitlement as an adult goes when you have kids .

Even mainstream sites and parenting sites recommend parents locking their door to have sexy time together !

You're absolutely right, but the discussion appears to have morphed from one about inviting strangers home for sex when the kids in bed, into one about parents having sex when the kids are there ..as shocking as it may be for little Annabelle discovering her parents en flagrante, finding Mummy impaled upon Twelveinchdong might consign the poor child to a life of therapy!

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Initial reaction is not right with children in however if you are a single parent with no help at all surely the situation can be understood? Everyone deserves their own time x

'Deserve'? I'm afraid as soon as you become a parent any sense of entitlement goes out the window!"

Entitlement to have what ?

Are you really saying that a couple shouldn’t feel entitled to have sexy time after they’ve had children

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

That won't stop a child from wanting to come in or put them back in bed though.

Why would you think they have far worse parenting habits? What's worse than letting strangers into your house with your children there?

How about you express that risk in some real terms because i have a real hard time imagining it.

Just complete this setence for me:

"By letting swingers in your house then you are increasing the risk of *insert risk* by *insert %* compared to *insert recommended course of action*"

This isn't a discussion about probability and statistics. It's about ethics and emotion.

But taking your point, would you point a gun at your child knowing there was only a one in six or more chance a live bullet would be fired? Of course not.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"Initial reaction is not right with children in however if you are a single parent with no help at all surely the situation can be understood? Everyone deserves their own time x

'Deserve'? I'm afraid as soon as you become a parent any sense of entitlement goes out the window!

Entitlement to have what ?

Are you really saying that a couple shouldn’t feel entitled to have sexy time after they’ve had children

All very achievable without any locks, apart from when I’m handcuffed

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Initial reaction is not right with children in however if you are a single parent with no help at all surely the situation can be understood? Everyone deserves their own time x

'Deserve'? I'm afraid as soon as you become a parent any sense of entitlement goes out the window!

Entitlement to have what ?

Are you really saying that a couple shouldn’t feel entitled to have sexy time after they’ve had children

All very achievable without any locks, apart from when I’m handcuffed

It’s absolutely fine for you to be against parents having a lock on their own bedroom door to use as and when they see fit . Plenty do and plenty don’t . But it does minimise the risk of the kids seeing things they are better off not seeing .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like the whole I wouldn't let a stranger in, just in case they are a paedophile but it's fine if they just want to shag the wife lol

Guess single parents shouldn't date or have people round either.

Definitely not a one size fits all solution, would be down to ages etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally wouldn't want to go round to meet someone if they had their kids in the house.

I'm sure they may have taken precautions but it doesn't sit right with me.

~Mia

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Guys in my work used to regularly go visit a girl who had kids until one night one of the kids walked in and said oh mum are these your jungle friends ! The youngest of the guys got dressed and left on spot two of the others stayed but said they wouldn’t go back and another guy just didn’t care, I told them after that I didn’t want to hear any more stories off them

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Initial reaction is not right with children in however if you are a single parent with no help at all surely the situation can be understood? Everyone deserves their own time x

'Deserve'? I'm afraid as soon as you become a parent any sense of entitlement goes out the window!

Entitlement to have what ?

Are you really saying that a couple shouldn’t feel entitled to have sexy time after they’ve had children

Not at all-however you'll see the post I was responding to suggested inviting a stranger into your home whilst your children were there should be 'understood' because 'everyone deserves their own time'.

Personally I don't believe that scenario should exist simply because someone believes they 'deserve' it.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Initial reaction is not right with children in however if you are a single parent with no help at all surely the situation can be understood? Everyone deserves their own time x

'Deserve'? I'm afraid as soon as you become a parent any sense of entitlement goes out the window!

Entitlement to have what ?

Are you really saying that a couple shouldn’t feel entitled to have sexy time after they’ve had children

Personally I don't believe that scenario should exist simply because someone believes they 'deserve' it."

But the original that you quoted was saying it could be a single parent . Now I’m not being judgemental here , but lots of single parents struggle to make ends meet , and it’s a tough one at the best of times . So if a single parent wanted to establish a relationship ( or just to have a bit of fun with ) , wouldn’t they be ‘entitled ‘ to have someone round to have some adult time with ?

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

I think there is a little more to it than simply saying no never. For a one off then I'd be inclined to agree that meeting with kids at home is probably not something I'd be tempted to do.

However, single parents at some point have to introduce bfs and gfs. So there is little difference between that and having a trusted fwb come around.

I can understand it though if you are parenting alone then annual leave will be kept for school term breaks and so when your kids do go to shool it will be time to work.

That does not leave many opertunities. If you are working part time baby sitters maybe beyond your financial reach.

We have platonic friends round for beers and board games etc. To me it's the trust issue, but it's always a risk and statistics suggest that its more likely that any offender would be known to the family rather than a stranger turning up for a one off shag.

Especially if the knowledge of children being at home was only known after the desire to meet was established.

For us it would not be something we would do, but can understand it may be the only option for some lone parents.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And before anyone says "that would never happen" - it could!! All it would take would be for the adults to be fully engrossed and not hear a child walk down the stairs.

Different situation but I saw something similar at a very young age and still have the image in my head even now all these years later and certainly wouldn't want my kids to see something similar.

Someone should really invent a device that can go on doors that can stop people opening them

they could call it a 'lock'

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"I think there is a little more to it than simply saying no never. For a one off then I'd be inclined to agree that meeting with kids at home is probably not something I'd be tempted to do.

However, single parents at some point have to introduce bfs and gfs. So there is little difference between that and having a trusted fwb come around.

I can understand it though if you are parenting alone then annual leave will be kept for school term breaks and so when your kids do go to shool it will be time to work.

That does not leave many opertunities. If you are working part time baby sitters maybe beyond your financial reach.

Especially if the knowledge of children being at home was only known after the desire to meet was established.

For us it would not be something we would do, but can understand it may be the only option for some lone parents. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Child wakes up in the night disorientated and scared. Goes looking for parent(s). Finds door locked and strange noises from behind it.

Poor kid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Child wakes up in the night disorientated and scared. Goes looking for parent(s). Finds door locked and strange noises from behind it.

Poor kid.

Poor kid can be taught to knock on the door then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Child wakes up in the night disorientated and scared. Goes looking for parent(s). Finds door locked and strange noises from behind it.

Poor kid.

Poor kid can be taught to knock on the door then. "

Haha brilliant response!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Child wakes up in the night disorientated and scared. Goes looking for parent(s). Finds door locked and strange noises from behind it.

Poor kid.

Poor kid can be taught to knock on the door then. "

And they open the door to put him back to bed with cock scum on their breath. Kid's getting a lovely kiss goodnight.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"But it does minimise the risk of the kids seeing things they are better off not seeing ."

"Yes they may hear noises , so what ? It’s natural"

So, let’s get this straight, Gloswingers; you agree that kids shouldn’t see sex, but you’re fine with them hearing it? With the ‘justification’ that it’s natural? So, when they ask about the strange noises mummy was making, do you tell the truth, because it’s natural? So it’s okay for them to hear it and know what it is, but not see it? Or tell them it’s something else? And, if you tell them it’s something else, why is that? To shield them? To protect them from the knowledge of what these natural noises are?

If you can justify it to yourself, grand. But it doesn’t hold water. And if your kids are hearing you having sex, one day they’re going to work out what was going on, and they’re going to resent you for it.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"Child wakes up in the night disorientated and scared. Goes looking for parent(s). Finds door locked and strange noises from behind it.

Poor kid.

Poor kid can be taught to knock on the door then.

Haha brilliant response! "

Yes. Brilliant. I don’t know about anyone else, but every time I knock on a door my brain erases the last thirty seconds of my life from memory.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Child wakes up in the night disorientated and scared. Goes looking for parent(s). Finds door locked and strange noises from behind it.

Poor kid.

Poor kid can be taught to knock on the door then.

Haha brilliant response!

Yes. Brilliant. I don’t know about anyone else, but every time I knock on a door my brain erases the last thirty seconds of my life from memory."

Not everyone screams the house down!

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"Not everyone screams the house down!"

I’m not saying they do. Indeed, I would like to think that parents would keep a lid on the noise when they’re having sex while the kids are at home. My issue isn’t with parents having sex, my issue is that some people seem to have a careless disregard for whether or not their kids hear them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Child wakes up in the night disorientated and scared. Goes looking for parent(s). Finds door locked and strange noises from behind it.

Poor kid.

Poor kid can be taught to knock on the door then.

Haha brilliant response!

Yes. Brilliant. I don’t know about anyone else, but every time I knock on a door my brain erases the last thirty seconds of my life from memory.

Not everyone screams the house down! "

4 people having sex will make quite a bit of noise.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"But it does minimise the risk of the kids seeing things they are better off not seeing .Yes they may hear noises , so what ? It’s natural

I can only imagine you haven’t got any kids .

It would appear that you seem to think that parents don’t have sex when the kids are in the house .

What do you think couples do when they have kids ? Sign a pledge to never have sex again until the kids leave home ?

No , they find ways to continue enjoying a loving and sexual relationship . I’m not suggesting anyone does it in full view or earshot of vulnerable eyes or ears , but being sensible and locking our bedroom door is a part of what we do to continue having a sex together in our own home .

You seem obsessed with kids hearing their parents having sex , which is odd , as it’s never really occurred to me and I’ve had four kids .

And that does hold water , as none of them resent me in any way shape or form .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He has since got the hump and blocked us.

Personally I think its wrong to do this with kids in the house. I do feel for him as he has kids but why would you risk your kids walking in ?"

That’s why we won’t have meets at home. We have four kids. We go to clubs and granny has the kids.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"I can only imagine you haven’t got any kids .

It would appear that you seem to think that parents don’t have sex when the kids are in the house ."

I have pointed out that that is categorically not the case, so waffling on about writing off sex lives is pointless straw-manning.

"You seem obsessed with kids hearing their parents having sex , which is odd , as it’s never really occurred to me and I’ve had four kids ."

Well, it should have. No, I’m not ‘obsessed’ with it. I’m just pointing out how utterly inconsiderate you are with your own kids.

"And that does hold water , as none of them resent me in any way shape or form .

You’re confusing two points. It’s inconsistent to recognise that seeing sex is wrong, but somehow hearing it is a-ok. You can’t justify that.

I’m sure your kids don’t tell you that they resent you. I’m not saying that it would be so strong that they would stop seeing or speaking to you. But if you think they don’t care, it explains a lot about your attitude.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"But it does minimise the risk of the kids seeing things they are better off not seeing .Yes they may hear noises , so what ? It’s natural

Why would they resent them? I heard my mum fucking her lodger (admittedly I was older at the time) but I don't resent her for it. Find it an odd choice of words.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Child wakes up in the night disorientated and scared. Goes looking for parent(s). Finds door locked and strange noises from behind it.

Poor kid.

Poor kid can be taught to knock on the door then.

And they open the door to put him back to bed with cock scum on their breath. Kid's getting a lovely kiss goodnight."

And as Mr Oatcake said, they won't forget what they heard.

But as I've said before, some people just don't care.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Been following this thread for a couple of days and not posted in it cause to be honest I couldn’t really believe some of the comments in here. I am a single parent and a swinger. I have limited time to do both. But there is no way. EVER. that I would subject him to our way of life.

I was in a long term relationship with someone with her own children and even then we we so careful around our kids. Kids are precious, and they pick up on things we adults sometimes don’t realise.

The safeguarding of children is absolutely imperative and I cannot believe there is even a debate here!!!

Sorry rant over.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Hugs to all the single people talking to couples about putting their children first, must be a lot of widows on fab

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Hugs to all the single people talking to couples about putting their children first, must be a lot of widows on fab"

Be a use single people have no concept of safe guarding? Ridiculous statement.

As one of my first posts shows its not the risk of the people you invite into a home being unsavoury types, it's what your child might see or overhear. I can't imagine walking in on some fat bird in the buff having a piss was particularly nice for the guys kid.

If kids being around sex with multiple people is not that bad why don't clubs have crèches (and yes.... That is an obtuse, ridiculous statement so you don't have to point it out)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So as we come to the end of the thread. It appears boil down to 2 schools of thought and the rest is just bluster.

You're either happy to do it at home, and take the necessary precautions to safeguard your sprockets.

Or you aren't happy, and choose indulge away from the home.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"So as we come to the end of the thread. It appears boil down to 2 schools of thought and the rest is just bluster.

You're either happy to do it at home, and take the necessary precautions to safeguard your sprockets.

Or you aren't happy, and choose indulge away from the home.

And some people acknowledge all the risks that exist in daily life and make a balanced decision, but some people pretend there aren't any.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

See now this is an odd one .

Are you seriously telling us that you have never had sex with your kids in the house ?

Theirs is what baffles me . Same as the other poster saying any entitlement as an adult goes when you have kids .

Even mainstream sites and parenting sites recommend parents locking their door to have sexy time together !

Of course I've had sex with my partner with my children in the house but the type of sex is very limited when children are around. I don't think it's right for my children to hear me say " oh yes, fuck my horny pussy so hard" etc etc. That would be very wrong.

I also can't relax and get into the zone because of the worry they will walk in. I know others may be comfortable being caught by their children but I'm not.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

See now this is an odd one .

Are you seriously telling us that you have never had sex with your kids in the house ?

Theirs is what baffles me . Same as the other poster saying any entitlement as an adult goes when you have kids .

Even mainstream sites and parenting sites recommend parents locking their door to have sexy time together !

I also can't relax and get into the zone because of the worry they will walk in. I know others may be comfortable being caught by their children but I'm not."

And that’s exactly why we locked the door sometimes , because every now and then it’s nice to have the kind of sex where we don’t need to worry about the kids coming in . And , like yourself we limit the noises we make as far as is possible .

I did not think anyone in this thread would be comfortable with being caught by their children .

It’s an interesting insight hearing other people’s opinions .

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"I can only imagine you haven’t got any kids .

It would appear that you seem to think that parents don’t have sex when the kids are in the house .

I have pointed out that that is categorically not the case, so waffling on about writing off sex lives is pointless straw-manning.

You seem obsessed with kids hearing their parents having sex , which is odd , as it’s never really occurred to me and I’ve had four kids .

Well, it should have. No, I’m not ‘obsessed’ with it. I’m just pointing out how utterly inconsiderate you are with your own kids.

And that does hold water , as none of them resent me in any way shape or form .

You’re confusing two points. It’s inconsistent to recognise that seeing sex is wrong, but somehow hearing it is a-ok. You can’t justify that.

Making such sweeping statements about my parenting skills , how my children resent me , and how inconsiderate I am towards my kids is simply presumptuous and rude .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We had no idea that this site was full of potential paedophiles, mass murderers whose Modus Operandi being.

Hoodwink gullible inept parents.

Overpower the male/female with the use of drugs

Before inflicting great harm upon their sleeping children.

Worrying indeed

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"Making such sweeping statements about my parenting skills , how my children resent me , and how inconsiderate I am towards my kids is simply presumptuous and rude ."

Some of your posts have given the impression that you have a cavalier disregard for the amount of noise you make and whether or not your children hear. Your most recent posts seem to suggest that’s not the case but, following the thread, it seems that you like to shift your position depending on the points you wish to counter or make yourself. You’ve contradicted your own stance more than once.

"Worrying indeed"

Way to miss the point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bookmarking.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Making such sweeping statements about my parenting skills , how my children resent me , and how inconsiderate I am towards my kids is simply presumptuous and rude .

As opposed to yourself who literally just makes shit up to stay consistent

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"As opposed to yourself who literally just makes shit up to stay consistent "

Rather than just saying that, why don’t you point to what I’ve said that you think is made up shit, and explain why you think it’s made up shit. You know, actually construct an argument with a point, rather than just throwing a wee tantrum.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Making such sweeping statements about my parenting skills , how my children resent me , and how inconsiderate I am towards my kids is simply presumptuous and rude .

Worrying indeed

Way to miss the point."

I have way better things to do than to check all my posts , but if that’s the best you can come up with to justify your rudeness and judgement then so be it .

I certainly don’t recall suggesting that I have a cavalier attitude when it comes to the amount of noise I make when having sex with the kids in the house . What I did say is that it’s natural that kids may hear their parents having sex . I have no idea whether any of my kids heard me or not . It certainly never came up , and we have always been very open about discussing anything .

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"As opposed to yourself who literally just makes shit up to stay consistent

Your poor attempt at discrediting the facts i provided was based on absoutely nothing factual, you plucked those comments out your arse. The stats are accurate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Making such sweeping statements about my parenting skills , how my children resent me , and how inconsiderate I am towards my kids is simply presumptuous and rude .

Worrying indeed

Way to miss the point."

Really ?

Continue babbling sir whilst disregarding and insulting others at will.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"Your poor attempt at discrediting the facts i provided was based on absoutely nothing factual, you plucked those comments out your arse. The stats are accurate. "

I did not dispute the accuracy of the statistics. I simply pointed out that you failed to take into consideration why that is the case. If my professional experience of the reality of all of this is what constitutes ‘plucking things out of my arse’ then so be it. I’ll take my professional knowledge over your Wikipedia copy and paste any day of the week.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Your poor attempt at discrediting the facts i provided was based on absoutely nothing factual, you plucked those comments out your arse. The stats are accurate.

You did that based on absoutely nothing factual. You know nothing about my knowledge or qualifications in the subject, you are just guessing in the thin hope it suites your argument.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"Really ?

Continue babbling sir whilst disregarding and insulting others at will."

Yes, really. You’ve (I assume deliberately) overplayed and exaggerated a situation to make the reasonable premise seem implausible, ignoring the fact that it happens. Is Fab ‘full’ of sex offenders? No. Are there sex offenders with accounts here? Yes. Is everyone who wants to visit you looking to abuse your kids? No. Do sex offenders who want to access kids gain the confidence of their parents first? Yes. Do they do it by drugging or overpowering the parents? No. But do they do it? Absolutely.

But, obviously, as you argue reducto ad absurdum and I make reasoned points, I’m the one who is babbling.

I haven’t disregarded anyone. I have countered arguments. It’s what happens in a discussion. You should try it some time.

As for insults? No. I have pointed out concerning attitudes and their likely results.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"You did that based on absoutely nothing factual. You know nothing about my knowledge or qualifications in the subject, you are just guessing in the thin hope it suites your argument. "

From your comments, and reliance on a fact, the substance and nuance of which you have demonstrated you do not understand, give me a reasonable indication of your knowledge and qualifications (or, rather, lack thereof) on the subject.

I know that you like statistics, but statistics don’t tell you the full story.

Would you like to talk about the sex offenders who target single mums for the sole purpose of gaining access to their kids? Better still, would you like to talk TO them? Would you like to hear them talk about how they use the internet to do it? Or has the daily toil of Children & Families Social Work and Police Family Protection Units been pulled out of my arse?

Yes, the chances of one of the swingers you’ve invited around to your house actually being a sexual predator is very slim. But the fact that it is a chance at all means that the act of doing it has just increased that risk. The background noise of the general ongoing risk does not change the fact that adding a risk increases the overall risk.

There’s always a risk that something could fall on my head. The risk of something falling on my head at the very moment I walk under a ladder is slim. But if I walk under ladders, the overall risk of something falling on my head increases. And if I go on a building site, it increases again.

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